Fraggle Rock* "Convincing John"

[stevedogan]

I'd listen to Convincing John -I don't care. He knows his stuff!

[racinefo]

The background singers make this song sound a little like Schoolhouse Rock!

[AwesomelyAwsome]

I think this has got to be my favorite Fraggle Rock song.

[babymoondancer]

Notice how his hair is black, but his baloobius is gray!! He dyes his hair!!

[KairuHakubi]

I'm confused as hell by the 'moral' of this episode.. under any SANE circumstances, it'd be wrong to destroy what anyone else builds. No real creatures would build purely for the joy of watching their stuff get ruined.. they'd drive themselves extinct by the wasted effort of it..

Fraggle Rock is really confusing if you look at it.. we're supposed to learn about connected ecosystems, but they're all just thieves.. Doozer sticks are just pure radish...

[ElectricShark]

Doozers and fraggles have a symbiotic relationship.

Even though they view eachother with disdain, they need eachother to survive.

[KairuHakubi]

@ElectricShark When is that supported in the show? The Fraggles think they have two different food sources, but they're both stolen Gorg radishes. The Doozers do absolutely nothing but add an extra step to the consumption of radishes.. and they get nothing from Fraggles except adversity, which for some reason they enjoy?

[TherealRNO]

@KairuHakubi: No. The Doozers gain a better understanding of society (or at least, Cotterpin does, because she's friends with 3 of the 5) & also need the Fraggles for stability, because without them, the Doozers would either have to leave Fraggle Rock or perish. And the radishes would act as the primary source that brings the three societies together, hence why Majory (the all-knowing Trash Heap) took them away in one episode in order to teach the Fraggles, Doozers, and Gorgs a lesson.

[TherealRNO]

@KairuHakubi: The radish would have multiple uses, as the Fraggles use it for sustenance (food [obviously] and probably drink too, outside of local water), the Doozers use it for building material, and the Gorgs use it to make vanishing cream in order to keep the Gorgs from disappearing slowly from the head down.

[ElectricShark]

@KairuHakubi,

In several of the episodes, the Fraggles saved the doozers.

In the "Glob" episode, Boober rescued the doozers from a glob that was intent on devouring them.

Also, in another episode, the fraggles came and helped Cotterpin be found innocent in a trial. (I forgot this particular episode.)

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: In the "Glob" episode, Cotterpin was devoured by The Glob and it was Boober that rescued her. In episodes with Red & Cotterpin, the two are shown to be very good friends, despite species difference. In the episode with the duet-a-thon, it was Wembley who sang with Cotterpin, after saying--and I quote--"Just because something's always been, that doesn't make it right, does it? No! If Cotterpin Doozer can't sing in the duet-a-thon, then I don't want to have anything to do with it!"

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: Symbiotic relationships, yes. View each other with distain, no. Apprentice architect Cotterpin is friends with 3 of the 5, for example. The Doozers need the Fraggles to eat their buildings so the Doozers can keep building & the Fraggles need them in order to live in the rock without risking themselves daily to gather fresh radishes. Why, even the Gorgs mean well, for as much as Pa and Ma consider the Fraggles vermin, lonely Junior only wants to keep them as pets to play with.

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

Cotterpin's not the average doozer though.

Most doozers are not like Cotterpin.

Cotterpin is considered a rarity among her kind.

I still don't care for her character but she was the first doozer to befriend fraggles and the other doozers wound up putting her on trial for it.

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: In that trial episode, Feeny & Large Marvin were the only Fraggles left--as all the rest had left due to a poison cackler infestation--& despite Large Marvin's food addiction & Feeny's lack of smarts, they showed that Fraggles are indeed noble and intelligent enough to befriend Doozers (they saved Cotterpin from a baby poison cackler). Earlier in the episode, a greedy Doozer used Cotterpin's friendship with Fraggles to try & get Cotterpin's promotion for himself & it backfired.

[collgoff]

@TherealRNO Well I think Large Marvin and Feeny Fraggle has small brains!

[TherealRNO]

@collgoff: This may be, but they mean well, despite their lack of smarts and food addiction. XD

[collgoff]

@TherealRNO Oh yeah. But how you be so sure if Large Marvin and Feeny Fragle are smart?

I mean they don't act very smart.

[TherealRNO]

@collgoff : I just said that even if they aren't smart--which we know by Feeny's lack of brain power and Marvin's addiction to food that distracts him from the more important things--they mean well.

[collgoff]

@TherealRNO Okay I get it!

[TherealRNO]

@collgoff: No need to be upset. I was merely relaying the two character differences.

[collgoff]

@TherealRNO It's alright I'm not upset!

[TherealRNO]

@collgoff: It's kind of hard to tell, since an exclamation point often indicates either excited-ness or anger.

[collgoff]

@TherealRNO Don't worry about it!

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: The only reason they even did put her on trial was because, prior to that episode, they only liked the Fraggles for creating scarcity (i.e. for allowing the Doozers room to build by eating the Doozer constructions), seeing as old Doozer tradition stereotyped Fraggles as selfish and unintelligent. But Feeny & Large Marvin showed nobility in the face of danger by giving away Large Marvin's food & often slow-witted Feeny showed intelligence by actually coming up with the idea.

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: In the "Sprocket's Big Adventure" episode, when Wrench Doozer--close personal friend of Cotterpin--dares to look around the next corner (like any good explorer), he stumbles into an adventure with both a lonely Gobo (the rest of the Five were off doing other things) and Sprocket (who accidentally fell into the Rock). When the three go missing, Red and the rest of the Five, plus Cotterpin, are understandbly worried for their friends, but luckily the three pull through in the end.

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

Yep, I watched that episode.

I like almost all of the characters especially Mokey and Boober.

Also, even though he was only in one episode, ChuChu Fraggle was so cool and such a badass hockey player!

I also love Marlon Fraggle. Such a funny lil guy.

But I never really felt any warmth towards Cotterpin Doozer.

I mean, she had a voice like nails on a chalkboard and if you remember, in the "Glob" episode, she led her mother out in front of the Glob knowing it was dangerous.

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: For me, Marlon felt like a over-the-top creepy fan who stalks their favorite celebrity (in this case, Red). Red often always has to keep her distance from him, for not only is he insane in regarding Fraggle culture--he envisions creating a cult in which he alone is leader--but he is also borderline obsessed with her and it repulses her, not just because the guy is crazy, but also because she herself has admitted now to having a bit of a crush on Gobo in recent interviews.

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

But that's what I love about Marlon!

He's insane!

He's a complete psychopath and the first fraggle cult leader! (Although no one joins)

Marlon is so much fun!

Plus he's adorable!

He looks like a big fat toad! :)

[TherealRNO]

Marlon's fun, if you like obsessively insane wanna-be cult leaders. In the Trial of Cotterpin Doozer, she needed noble and intelligent Fraggles, but instead, she got food addicted Large Marvin and dim-witted Feeny. These two ended up left behind, as the others left due to a poison cackler invasion. In the episode with the Glob, it didn't initially pose a threat, so Cotterpin didn't suspect anything. It wasn't until the Glob ate her mom when her back was turned, that she cried out for help.

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

I watched the Glob episode recently and Cotterpin actually saw it eating the doozers beforehand but she led her mom (Flange Doozer, I believe the name was) out in front of the giant Glob's mouth and said "Mom, don't go near this thing!"

Well, then the glob ate her mom up.

I was just thinking "How could she not have expected that to happen?"

As for Large Marvin, I like him as a character. He's funny and adds comedy to the show.

Still, Mokey Fraggle is my favorite of them all.

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: My point is, Cotterpin didn't mean for Marvin & Feeny to be nearly captured by an infant poison cackler, nor did she want her mom gobbled up by the Glob. It was just circumstantial. After all, Cotterpin herself was later eaten by the Glob and had to be rescued by Boober, of all Fraggles. XD

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: It is interesting though, that out of the five, Mokey is the eldest, yet she gets less merchandise than the rest of the five, Uncle Matt, and even Sprocket!

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

Yeah, I never understood why Mokey gets the least merchandise.

She is the "den mother" as Jim Henson called her.

Shouldn't she get more appreciation?

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: Yes, but she's the "Daisy Duck" of the Fraggles, it seems (in Disney canon, Daisy gets the least merch. out of all of the Sensational Six [Mickey, Minnie, Goofy, Pluto, Donald, and Daisy]). And now, with "big brother" Oswald back, I'd be hard-pressed to find merch. of the "lesser" members of the Six, since Mickey IS " 'Uncle' Walt" (all subsequent voice actors are "filling in for the boss"), Oswald IS the "Roy Disney Sr." of the "family", Minnie is "Lillian Banks Disney", etc.

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

I never liked Cotterpin Doozer though.

She did some stupid crap like leading her own mother out in a front of a glob which she knew to be dangerous.

And when the glob ate her mother, she was more concerned about herself.

And didn't she also lead two fraggles to a poison cackler too? (I'm trying to remember that particular episode! What's the name of it again?)

[collgoff]

@ElectricShark That was Boober said the Glob is dangeriious not Mokey she said the glob is beautiful.

[Yarahaha]

This is one of the only two characters Jim Hensen voiced in Fraggle Rock. And he made them as memorable as any of the main characters. :D

[moorepow09]

so now that Im older I am convienced that doizer towers are drugs and convincing john just confirmed this notion for me...lmao

[TherealRNO]

@moorepow09: No, they're just pressed radish dust, used for food and drink for the Fraggles.

[moorepow09]

@TherealRNO why would they need pressed radish dust when they all ready have whole raddishes that they eat? lol

[TherealRNO]

@moorepow09: Because they use it for more than just food.

[jobman79]

@baloobius

Dude please enable embedding. It sucks when one can't embed videos. Thnx.

[TherealRNO]

@jobman79: Unless you're using "dude" as a conversation opener, it doesn't work to use it, because Baloobius/OrangeFlaffy/Alicorn­Moon/Redsonga is a girl.

[babymoondancer]

So is "Human Being" like a slur to them?

[jmali1]

thats Obama lol

[aboutashow]

i just saw this today. i love the hub channel

[ElectricShark]

As a kid, I loved this lil' theme.

Convincing John was the original Evangelical whackadoo.

[Indego84]

CJ is like some sort of unholy fusion of a used car salesman and a traveling preacher. AWESOME!!!!

[sgaevan1567]

lol i saw some of this song befor i saw this epesode i had no idea that i recorded this one!

[peaceluvandrocknroll]

I know I'm never gonna eat a Doozer tower again.

[LaFamiliaWJ]

im sooooooooo stoked for tomorrow.tomorrow the fraggles will start airing again on a channel called the hub.the hub is going to replace discovory kids and is also going to have alot more old shows on it to

[thisguysajerk]

Convincing John was Jim Henson taking a rip at evangelicals. Anyone who misses this might have something missing. I see a few, "he's like the government" nonsense which even the poster of the video has said... pfft... no, sorry. This is an evangelical person singing, and dancing and doing his fast-talk to confuse the listener. Tactics on evangelical tent/stadium preachers.

government... pffttt... put on your tin-foil hats....

[TherealRNO]

@thisguysajerk: Jim was not "taking a rip" out of anyone. CJ was just created to show how silly it is to follow blindly just because someone of supposed power claims something.

[thisguysajerk]

@TherealRNO No.... in fact IT was said by Jim himself that CJ was a rip on evangelicals.

Also, "CJ" is a reverse of the initials "JC" for Jesus Christ.

It was an intended rip on evangelicals for jesus, since it was very prominent at the time.

It's not my fault you don't know shit about JH or the history behind some of his characters.

JH had a habit of doing this. He also has a rip on Scientology in a Muppet Show Tonight episode.

Don't try to correct someone with more facts than you.

[TherealRNO]

~IT was said by Jim himself that CJ was a rip on evangelicals~

Where & when? Recall that he himself & his creations celebrated Christmas (Muppet Family Christmas) & his creations continue to do despite his passing (Letters to Santa), so I doubt he'd want to a "take a rip" out of those promoting the belief system he backs. Seriously, "taking a rip" out of supporters seems like a non-too-smart move, IMHO.

[thisguysajerk]

@TherealRNO "Recall that he himself & his creations celebrated Christmas (Muppet Family Christmas) & his creations continue to do despite his passing (Letters to Santa)"

None of that has anything to do with christianity. If you know your history, that is. Christmas is a stolen Pagan Holiday. Satrunalia to be exact.

Furthermore, none of his holiday productions ever mentions baby jesus or a god. They tell you the season is for spending time with people you love. Not about babay jesus... rofl

[TherealRNO]

@thisguysajerk: Okay jerkbag, none of Jim's productions mention religion, because his productions are for everyone. Henson basically had no real flaws when it came to his Muppets. Ditto for Mr, Rogers, for what you saw is what you got. In the case of these two, these were actually well-loved guys who wanted nothing more than to quote "leave the world just a little bit better for my having been here" [Henson] and to "give the children of the world...a sincere and honest adult" [Mr. Rogers].

[thisguysajerk]

@TherealRNO "taking a rip" out of supporters seems like a non-too-smart move, IMHO"

I don't think any evangelical is a "supporter" of such evil people as Jim Henson who made evil movies like "The dark Crystal", or made many sexual adult jokes in his shows.

You're confusing evangelical with all of christianity or you're actually just this stupid.

CJ was a rip on evangelical. CJ... JC... Jesus Christ. Coincidence? No. And only stupid people would fail to recognize these things.

[TherealRNO]

1. Quit living up to your username or I will have to report you to management.

2. You = Epic Fail. Some of his work would be satire, yet good always wins. His vision though, and not better seen than via the Muppets--Sesame Street, The Muppet Show, and Fraggle Rock--was of human equality and world peace. Thus, your so-called views on Henson are not only wrong, but they prove to true fans that you're just jealous that he was a success without having to resort to cheap insults and potty humor.

[TherealRNO]

@thisguysajerk: Umm...Muppets Tonight was done AFTER his death, so I doubt he could have inferred a shot at Scientology when he was gone.

[thisguysajerk]

@TherealRNO And the legacy of ripping on religious nonsense carries on past his death. Think that humor runs in the family? Sure does...

[TherealRNO]

@thisguysajerk: Quit being a doofus...Fraggle Rock itself makes allusions to various faiths, yet doesn't impose any major one (for instance, Doc and Sprocket celebrate Christmas yet speak of the Winter Solstice and other festive holidays other countries--such as Spanish-speaking ones that use a pinata--have during the winter months; the Fraggles celebrate a Chinese-esque custom, both promoting the protection of a sacred artifact by a mythical beast and carrying out the holiday gift exchange).

[tendoking48]

@TherealRNO You're completely right, of course, even if you weren't rebutting a total douchebag who probably thinks the moon landing was faked (fish-eyes thisguysajerk). The net was started for free exchange of ideas, not as a place for trolls to hide, let's all do our part to drive them out.

[TherealRNO]

@tendoking48: Well, I'll say this for them...they live up to their username. But seriously, I agree. The net was not meant to be a place for trouble, yet trouble is found everywhere and the attitude given off by some people certainly prove it.

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

Yeah but Convincing John wasn't an attack on any religion.

A religious fanatic in general poses a danger to any society.

Look at Sharia Law and Bin Laden.

It's not the religions themselves, it's the fanatics.

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: Exactly. I mean, if you want to truly talk religion in Fraggledom, look at Cantus. He practically is the culture's spiritual leader, nevermind that Jim Henson himself performed both CJ and Cantus, who reflect Jim's vision.

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

It's funny that you bring up Cantus.

I would say that Cantus bore a resemblence to the European Pagans that loved nature. (Think Stonehenge and the Druids.) With a little bit of rastafarian thrown in there.

Cantus also seemed to be a bit of a hippie. (That's a good thing though! Rather have a hippie than a puritan anyday!)

I always thought that if the fraggles were a religion, they would be like neo-pagans due to their strong love for nature and playful carefree spirits.

[jkread111]

@thisguysajerk Not sure how he'd have a rip on Scientology in a Muppets Tonight episode when he had been dead for six years. Also not sure what good it does making arguments out of a children's show that promoted peace and understanding.

[thisguysajerk]

@jkread111 "Not sure how he'd have a rip on Scientology in a Muppets Tonight episode when he had been dead for six years"

You don't think his son had many of the same opinions and feelings about the fundamentally religious, than you are just plain ignoring the obvious. Yes, JH himself was dead when the scientology bit was done on the muppet show, yet that doesn't negate the running jokes about religion that are still in shows produced by the JH company.

You have failed. I'm sorry. Use brain!

[jkread111]

@thisguysajerk Evidence?

[thisguysajerk]

@jkread111 Be more specific.

[jkread111]

@thisguysajerk I'm not the one who needs to be more specific - I asked you to give me proof of the one claim you were trying to make, and you seem to be incapable of that. Good day.

[thisguysajerk]

@jkread111 I gave you what you asked for jkread. If you don't understand that... that's on you. Not me. Maybe you should figure out what your REALLY looking for proof for. If thumbs up are any fair judgement, then your stance on the matter is moot. The evidence is there. I laid it out for you. Deny it if you like, but it's there. Silly douche.

[jkread111]

@thisguysajerk You laid nothing out. You made a statement, which you were fully in your rights to do, and I asked you to give me a very specific example. You couldn't do that, and furthermore, you attack my intelligence with no grounds to do so. Stop turning the work of one of the most creative, genuine men that ever lived into propaganda, because I guarantee you, you won't win. Leave this discussion, please.

[thisguysajerk]

@jkread111 "you attack my intelligence with no grounds to do so."

Read my fucking replies. The evidence is there. THAT's where I attack your imagined intelligence.

"Stop turning the work of one of the most creative, genuine men that ever lived into propaganda"

Wow... holy shit. Are you serious? Propaganda? It's a part of who he is that's in his work. This may be news to you, but that OFTEN happens in art.

It's not propaganda idiot. It's art. Leave this discussion? lolz.. get outta here.

[jkread111]

@thisguysajerk You can believe what you want, but when you can only use your opinion as an argument in place of any hard facts, you won't win. Neither of us can, and I see little use in continuing this. Do not attack me again.

[thisguysajerk]

@jkread111 "You can believe what you want, but when you can only use your opinion as an argument in place of any hard facts, you won't win."

Well, you go ahead and ignore the facts I presented which were completely absent of any opinion. My only opinion here is that you just don't like what's been presented so you'd rather deny and dismiss it. Go ahead. Be ignorant.

"Do not attack me again."

Grow up. Stop blowing this out of proportion. You're not being attacked. You're being called stupid.

[ElectricShark]

@jkread111,

Convincing John was a rip on Evangelicals.

BUT I noticed something.

So many people here are confusing Evangelicals with ordinary run of the mill Christians.

Nope, not really the same thing.

I have had lots of expierience with Evangelicals and let me tell you. They are insane and so far gone.

Being in a room full of Evangelicals is like being in a mental asylum.

Except the patients wave bibles.

And yes "Fraggle Rock" promoted peace and understanding BUT Evangelicals do not.

[okjust]

@thisguysajerk who cares? listen to convincing john.

[SUNSHINE21480]

@thisguysajerk I've always thought CJ was making fun of evanglicals. I never put 2 and 2 together a\bout his intials thats awesome! So sad about JH

[ElectricShark]

@thisguysajerk,

Yes,

Convincing John is basically the equivalent to a extreme religious fanatic.

He is convinced things have to be a certain way and he relies on lying, scamming, and using scare tactics to get his point across.

But he's a breath of fresh air compared to real whackjobs like Pat Robertson and others.

[VampireKingDuz]

@ElectricShark No, he's not. Convincing John isn't really convinced of anything. Convincing John is a 'wembler' someone who's indecisive. He can see everything from all the different view points, which is why one minute he can convince people NOT to eat Doozer sticks, then convince them to do it again.

Convincing John, at his root, means well. But his being a wembler makes it hard for him to see what is the best way to do well, so he helps other Fraggles who are more decisive.

[ElectricShark]

@VampireKingDuz,

Just because he is a wembler doesn't mean he wasn't supposed to be a parody of a evangelical flashy preacher.

Read the Muppet Wiki.

He was.

He is a wembler, yes. But we don't find that out until later episodes.

And when his character was first created by Jim Henson, he was supposed to be a flashy preaching type of character.

It wasn't till later on in the series that he was given a different personality.

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: Flashy and preachy yes, but it's not like he's Fred Phelps (rabidly insane religious fanatic who pickets at any religious event he can find). CJ means well, but like anyone, his message can get misunderstood. The only reason he even did the convincing was because...

a) It is his job

b) Mokey asked and she wanted to protect the Doozers, only to realize that the Doozers live to build and if they've no more room to build, they'd have to leave Fraggle Rock or perish

[TherealRNO]

@VampireKingDuz: Perhaps Wembley will take lessons from CJ. XD

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: He is not the equivalent of a fanatic. He means well and doesn't claim to have things in a set pattern, because he's a wembler, meaning that he himself is indecisive and relies on his female backup singers to suggest things when other more decisive Fraggles aren't around for him to "convince".

[ElectricShark]

@TherealRNO,

Jim Henson explained more about Convincing John in an interview also in the "Encyclopedia Fragglia" (a set of papers detailing the set and scenes behind Fraggle Rock.)

Convincing John started off as the equivalent to a flashy Evangelical preacher but in the later seasons, they did an episode and changed the character into a wembler.

I don't recall the name of the episode where he sings "Tiger of a terror" but that was it.

[TherealRNO]

@ElectricShark: It was "Preachification of Convincing John".

[CharlesShawRules]

When I saw this as a kid, I couldn't get this song out of my head.

RIP Jim Henson.

[discodaggett]

I want a sequined televangelist suit like Convincing John's....

[rubinoos1]

Why does Mokey have cups on her hands? O_o

[discodaggett]

@rubinoos1 Haha, because she went to see Convincing John to get him to persuade the Fraggles to stop eating Doozer constructions. We see her and Red walk into his house, and then immediately walk out again, Mokey with cups on her hands, and Red wearing a blindfold. Apparently Convincing John just loves to randomly convince people to do crazy stuff. He's good at what he does.... :)

[theperfectone121212]

Moral of the story: Listen to Convincing John and all your problems will be gone.

[BuckWilliams17]

I see several different versions of the Solemn Fraggle Oath posted. According to Muppet Wikia (which I consider to be reliable) the correct wording is: Weeba weeba, woppa woppa, garpox gumbidge, whoopee

[evileyebri]

At 2:18 it looks like she's drawing tits on the fraggle on the right!

[h193013]

convincing john should become a lawyer

[jonescalypso]

hahahaha, I'D hire him ^-^

[sparklegrl0713]

I love the Fraggle oath.. Weeba weeba waffa waffa garpox gumbige whoopee.

[RabbitDance]

Whatever you say convincing John.

[Montyextreme]

HA HA, i was raised on this, i think it impacted me

[NaiTaiDai]

His tail makes it look like he got struck by lightning, doesn't it? It's still and the tip looks a bit bristled.

[ztslovebird]

It is my solemn belief that you can tell how good a show is by listening to its music (the theme song, end credits, and any music in between). And even if I hadn't seen a few episodes, just by listening to this and the theme song, anyone can tell that this show was nothing short of incredibly amazing!

[kcmary92]

i like how they say wacca wacca at the end which is what they say in the muppets....classic :)

[sparklegrl0713]

They don't say wakka wakka, though.. they're saying "Waffa waffa."

Yes, I'm that much or a nerd that I would check XD

[jfpinell]

You mean "Wocka! Wocka!" Trust me...bad comedy is my sideline!

2 ameoba walk out of a bar, and 1 of them goes: "Hey, is that the sun or the moon?" and the other ameoba says: "I don't know. I don't live around here."! -Wocka! Wocka! (Need I say more?)

[MistyJr95]

You know what, I just going to favorite nearly every Fraggle song you have. It's amazing that just 2 guys wrote every song on the fraggles.

[Hauntedbeauty222]

Convincing John sounds like Dr. Teeth as well.

[jfpinell]

He's played by Jim Henson...the same as Rowlf, Kermit, Ernie, and several others.

[collgoff]

@Hauntedbeauty222 That was Jim Henson he did all those things.

[theperfectone121212]

@Hauntedbeauty222 He sounds more like Rowlf or Waldorf to me.

[panthrosmoke]

Convincing John told her 2

[rocketprime]

Uh... Why is Mokey wearing plastic cups on her hands?

[MistyJr95]

Convincing John convinced her to.

[ztslovebird]

When Mokey and Red went to ask Convincing John for his help, he convinced Mokey to wear cups on her hands and convinced Red to wear a blindfold for the rest of the time.

[collgoff]

@ztslovebird Why he convinced Mokey to wear plastick cup on her hands?

[ztslovebird]

@collgoff Who knows? Maybe he's a germaphobe and didn't want to shake her hand.

[collgoff]

@rocketprime Because Convincing John convinced Mokeyto do it.

[panthrosmoke]

Oh ok i never thought about that

[panthrosmoke]

If they know what a human beings are why do they call US SILLY CREATURES

[Baloobius]

Because silly creature is more fun to say more of the time :3. And we have more than one name for many things...IMHO they use 'human being' on when they are being very serious, which is not often :)

[jfpinell]

It can get rathe rtechnical to explain the depth thereof. You really have to have a firm understanding of how things like philosophy are used in comedy.

[TherealRNO]

panthros: Well, calling us Silly Creatures--since we obsess and prioritize over silly things--may be a term of endurement, whereas calling someone human could have a negative connotation in the Fraggle culture, because it could be surmized the Fraggles could understand the negative aspects of the human world.

[collgoff]

@TherealRNO Maybe Convincing John has been to our world I think that's why he said human and understands our world.

[TherealRNO]

@collgoff: Well, Jim had this inner knowingness about the world him and of life in general and that transposed itself onto the characters he performed.

[collgoff]

@TherealRNO I gess you're telling me that Jim Henson was the who knows the world well but he was the man of words, music, art, puppetery, dreams, understanding, and wisdom.

[TherealRNO]

@collgoff: He had all those traits. A talent for all those arts (writing, music, puppetry, and animation would be art), his dreaming, and understanding helped him understand how the world can operate if done caringly and tenderly.

[badooney]

@panthrosmoke Human beings are silly creatures.

[das499]

Oh my god, what a throwback!

[MistyJr95]

He is one of the best characters in any any TV series that has ever been made. He sounds like Cantus the Mintrel, Rowlf the Dog, Dr. Teeth, and the Mahna Mahna guy, all of which were done by Jim Henson. Too bad Convincing John was only used in 3 episodes.

[OtherBrother09]

This has been a favorite of mine since first grade! :)

[erinlynn]

this show was so deep. i felt it even then.

[efil4own1]

The bridgework of Dr. Teeth and the wardrobe and attitude of a used car salesman.

[erinlynn]

yeah i know huh.

[Zakerandsaisu]

I think Convincing John is a very interesting and striking character. His personality is so like people in real life, like the government. Sometimes he preaches bad things, or bad things with good intentions (like here.) But everyone gets swept up with it.

[Baloobius]

And the thing is he is so good at it that his words alone give him a certain power. It's not even that he was put in power by anyone..that is a little scary if you think about it O.o

[Zakerandsaisu]

It is rather scary, but it's equally scary how some politicians can do the same thing. And then they're put in power by people who believe them.

[BuckWilliams17]

@Zakerandsaisu Sounds a lot like some of the televangelists we today. (no names)

[awdemers]

i love convincing john

[Scooterpiety]

BUT DON'T EAT IT!

[MarshalGrover]

I'm convinced that this one of my favorite FR songs!

[eugtheman]

I love this song. Why does mokey get convicing john?

[Colbynfriends]

She gets him so he can convince everyone to stop eating doozer towers. Thanks for uploading. :)

[Baloobius]

Convincing John's reasoning is the same sort that people in the government use all the time IMHO :P The whole "and it's pretty as a flower and a flower is what you pick up in a field" link. *lol* Not one ever stops to say "But it's not a flower!" most of the time ;)

[TherealRNO]

Colbyn: Yeah, but as we know, Mokey learns about the integrated connected-ness the Fraggles have to the Doozers by the end of this episode.

[Colbynfriends]

Right. Then Convincing John shows up again to do a sort of repries of this song, except this one convinces them to eat the toweres.

[TherealRNO]

Colbyn: Yep. Convincing John's an interesting character...The advertiser, political figure, and con man of Fraggle Rock. XD

[Colbynfriends]

I wouldn't call him a con man (or fraggle) persay, but I'll agree he that he's an advertiser and political figure. he tries to convince things that would be benifical to everyone, weather they are or not. It sounded good at first though, right?

[TherealRNO]

Colbyn: Yes, the idea sounded good, but it didn't work. I only called CJ a con man, because he was able to work his magic on all his own kind, thereby convincing them to do the most silly things, even if they were a little stupid.

[Colbynfriends]

oh, ok.