1stDeg.Rite 1of13 Memphis-Mizraim Opening

[NegiSpringfieldof4ch]

I think it is to the credit of those who performed in this video that the Masons are getting angry and accusing them of "giving away" secrets. People don't realize a well done, but poor, version of the Masonic Memphis-Misraim rite then they can't be for real. I think a person who has been through the rite would know that there have been mistakes and little other things. LOL'd again, thanks a lot.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@NegiSpringfieldof4ch .. and this is NOT and initiation, just people reading the translated script for the first time... IF we wanted to piss off masons, we would have put the girl/Soror in The East rofl.

[yeshaya24]

this is a stupid pantomine...

[02Blackbeard]

@yeshaya24 It is very complicated. Better off to get an introduction to Dzogchen and work with Tantra.

[DawgBlog]

AND BTW, THEY ARE DOING A TERRIBLE JOB AT THIS, VERY INEFFICIENT.

[DawgBlog]

I AM GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS SIMPLE BECAUSE NO ONE ON THE INTERNET KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. THEY ARE ROLE PLAYING! PLAIN AND SIMPLE, DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THIS.

[richcapo]

The Rite of M&M and the OTO are two completely different things, I believe, and neither of them are part of Grand Lodge Masonry.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@richcapo You are correct, true and on the level. However, it should be pointed out that although OTO encourages its members to study Freemasonry, it DOES NOT claim to be the Grand Lodge of any masonic affiliates other than its own Lodges, Oases and Camps.

[richcapo]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana I very much respect that about the OTO. I considered joining them earlier this year, but after going to their Gnostic Mass I decided against it because my commitment to my wife precludes practicing sex magic with other people -- but what a nice bunch of people they were. Really top notch men and women.

Are you a Mason, by the way? You speak like one.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@richcapo To be on the Level, it would be wrong to call myself a Mason, because the only co-masonic Initiations which I have worked are OTO-RAM and Memphis-Mizraim. To call myself a Freemason would draw the ire of every F&AM. The OTO Initiations were Aleister Crowley's idea of how Blue Lodge aught to be done in the 20th Century, but rejected by GL. So OTO adapted instead. OTOers recognize Freemasons as Brothers without reciprocity. There are many OTO that are also F&AM, but not me.

[richcapo]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana My brother, I extend full reciprocity to you. Please contact me if you are ever in the DC metro area, where I live. I could introduce you to the brethren if you'd like to meet a stellar group of men who I know would extend full reciprocity to you, as well.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@richcapo :)

[olliephelan]

@richcapo is practicing "sex magick" a compulsary thing in the OTO ? .......the creed it do as thou wilt ........but with " love under the law " .....in otherwords , "do as thou wilt" as long as it doesnt infringe on any other persons right to do as THEY "

[richcapo]

@olliephelan "is practicing "sex magick" a compulsary thing in the OTO ?"

If you wish to advance in the religion, I believe so.

"the creed it do as thou wilt ........but with 'love under the law' ..."

It's essentially the same thing that Jesus allegedly said: "Love is the fulfillment of the law." The OTO does base a good portion of its philiosophy in Christianity, so that makes sense to me -- OTO references with reverence "the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," for instance.

[kmv960]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana Hi dear i am reading last few days your comments about oto..i realy needs help to find out more oto..reacently my child involved with oto. and not behaving normal i am seeking physitric help..and i dont know anything about it and my kid is not opening up..please help me if u can to go through this crises so i can save my child who i love and care..please email at kmv2121@gmail.com

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@kmv960 Your comment is desperate to say the least. Everything you want to know about the OTO can be found by Google. Type Ordo Templi Orientis for information specific about the Order, or type Thelema to learn about the philosophy and movement itself. You can also visit your local OTO Lodge and attend events open to the public; its that easy to get the facts on 666. Actually being an Initiate of the Order, and someone who just says they are, is difficult to ascertain. Contact your local OTO.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@richcapo HA! .. what some people believe. Funny. At least the part about GLM is correct. We did both of these as a study of contrasting and comparison and there is more in common between OTO Man of Earth Rites and Memphis-Mizraim than we knew before we started performing them. We learned alot. We would all look at each other and say, "So that's where they got that part.." etc

[richcapo]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana Why the snarky language, brother?

[5150317]

I like what you have done I am a regular MM from a regular jurisdiction I thought you did a great job keep it up

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@5150317 You sir are True and Plumb.

[dragonbrave8]

Why are there women?, I thought freemasonryy was only for men

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@dragonbrave8 because this is CO-masonry of the Grand Orient.. it sez Memphis-Mizraim, NOT F&AM.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@burnman88 That type of fraternal slight is typical of F&AMs.. I question his use of the word "master". He may have a piece of paper, but this only gives proof that it is given to anyone who pays dues and does the Rite.. it by nomeans has anything to do with fraternal enlightenment.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@burnman88 You sir are Rough and needs be sent back to the quarry.

[projectsandman]

I think this is the most hilarious wantabe most irregular if I may say. I am a mason and I am not recognising these clandestine script reading fools. if you are a M :. M :. and interested in true high degrees of this nature search the Grand college of rites .

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@projectsandman you obviously are unable to read the desciption, or even sit back and watch the video describing this entire series.. So much for your ignorant comment. How many more of your assertions are based on ignorance? .. A&FM will initiate anyone, but there is no certainty of enlightenment in their magic

[shavefan12]

I laughed so hard that I had to turn it off. Get a life.

[rhymeskeema]

Why is any of this yawn-fest better than Catholicism? This is what these nerds do? Big deal.

[NegiSpringfieldof4ch]

The new text on the video tells me people have been contributing a rather lot of piss in the comments section ;)

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@NegiSpringfieldof4ch I never would have thought that these posts would have been so dynamic. However, I would prefer to see more analysis and comparison than vitriol and anger... and I would prefer ppl to READ the description first before commenting on scripts and lack of austerity.. its just a read through.

[fractalfires]

@betinho521 The alphabet is confusing with all those vowels and consequences, lol

(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist)

[Clarencethompson78]

You will never know what goes on in lodge business unless you are a member

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@Clarencethompson78 actually, apart from the Rite itself (which is usually published somewhere).. many Masonic/co-Masonic/resembles masonry etc etc groups who, upon establishing new Lodges or creating new Orders and Degrees and membership and treasury details are, to my knowledge always published in an Oriflamme-like journal.. and usually creates taunts and teases from other "real" Masonic journals... its self-feeding.. an Ooroboris.

[NegiSpringfieldof4ch]

@Clarencethompson78 Just like we'll never know about Shakespeare's plays because we never were in the Globe Theater. Derp harder, please.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@betinho521 you mean ITs watching. I agree, but I also know ITs not real, just another godthingy. You cannot imagine that some of us took vows to do just this, men and women. Our vows ain't your vows, and your vows sure ain't our vows. Me and my Frateres and Soror reading this script for the very first time, out loud before a camera.. You are crazy if you think any rule was broken and probably just a blowhard who likes to tell other people what to do...

[iessraul]

Does anyone remember the oath that Freemasons made to keep the ritual in secret?

I don´t agree with the masons who believe that the penalties that we have doesn't mean. The people in this video have committed perjury and have no honor of any kind.

They should suffer the penalty of which are being undermined

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@iessraul ..and what of people that did not take your oaths? What of them? I agree that any mason, like yourself, who surfs youtube and views such an atrocity should be disemboweled. All masons and ex-masons who post freemasonic stuff should report to iessraul with their pants down and begging to be corrected. But everyone else who hasn't taken those vows are cool. In fact, OTO Oaths Initiation includes the verse to STUDY these and all masonic Rites, Men and Women.

[HalfBathBlog]

MEMPHIS MISRIAM IS TRADITIONALLY A MASONIC RITE! THEREFOR IT FALLS UNDER "REGULAR AND LEGITIMATE" LAWS. You do not post these on the internet, not these. Public Rituals are fine. But you cannot confer degrees in public. This is not the golden dawn. YOU PROCLAIM THAT YOUR LODGE IS OF SAINT JOHN. Then act like it. To all my true brothers "Is there no help for the widows son?"

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@HalfBathBlog you need to read the description and watch the video that describes this series BEFORE you go off. One cannot find enlightenment from watching youtube, or reading silly comments left by those who have no idea as to what they are watching. READ THE DESCRIPTION

[NegiSpringfieldof4ch]

@HalfBathBlog Please stop your drama queen screetching of "OH MY GOD IS THERE NO HELP FOR THE WIDOW'S SON?!?!". The video depicts basically an interactive reading of a SCRIPT translated from the 1st degree probationer's initiation.

[HalfBathBlog]

And this just nit picking (especially if you can satisfy my previous question) but when using this particular version of the ritual previous to the council of emperors, which means that it is link in direct consecutive procession from 1st degree to the 90th...Wouldn't you automatically rule yourself out for the lofty title of "Regular" by conferring the degrees to a woman (who is not necessary in these rites, not like that of Gnostic Mass?

[HalfBathBlog]

I acknowledge that MM was adopted by various Thelemic traditions like those of Frater Crowley. But if you claim to be regular, regardless of the obscurity of the Rite you will still need 1. a Charter or 2. a dispensation from some body of competent jurisdiction empowering it to work. And yes I acknowledge the Orients view on individual sovereignty when it comes to practice, but they still posses a Grand Body?

[HalfBathBlog]

I don't mean to start an argument for I acknowledge the consolidation of the Rites of Memphis and Misriam to be apart of traditional Masonry, for I have taken the degrees myself.

This is my question:

@ a 2:43 seconds your First Warden proclaims to the Venerable Master that all who are present are masons and regularly made. (at this point you would counter by saying that it doesn't regularly fall into american rites) Which in most cases are true) and that is my concern.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@HalfBathBlog LOL, this is what happens when one doesn't watch the entire series where this is discussed at length.. lines of irrelevant text. What a blowhard.

[HalfBathBlog]

Reading you argument with @Challenger2060 compels me to add this. I have been Initiated into the Rites Lights and Mysteries of Speculative Craft FreeMasonry. I have ascended through the degrees of Craft, York and Scottish Rite Masonry. I have taken it upon myself to continue my work through the lesser and greater mysteries of A.E.O. and now dwell in the Atriums of the Rose Criox.

[Challenger2060]

The Order of Memphis has been declared clandestine masonry by the majority of Grand Lodges. This is just plain sad

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@Challenger2060  nothing more than a means of leaving whinny trite remarks. REAL Freemasons are literate and READ. I suggest you read video descriptions b4 you leave irrelevant inane comments.

[Challenger2060]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana Dear Illuminati.

You, sir are no mason. You, sir, treat others with mockery and contempt. You, sir, have forgotten obligations if you are a mason. You, sir, are just a fraud trying to fit in with an ancient and honorable fraternity. You, sir, have no business lecturing me on the finer points. You, sir, do not even deserve to speak about freemasonry. You, sir, are uneducated.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@Challenger2060 am not a Freemason. I never was. I do not purport to espouse the Dogma and Morals of your Fraternity. As your Rite has amply stated, the Grand Orient is clandestine.. no argument there. You should only have contempt for me IF I was actually a Freemason and I posted your actual Rites on line. I do not lecture the finer points of Freemasonry, I do lecture the finer points of Thelema which includes but not limited to Grand Orient Freemasonry. Nothing 2 do with u. READ description

[Challenger2060]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana Since you are not a mason, then do not lecture me on literacy, something you lack. But I have, as stated, read the description. But I respect your beliefs and I didn't attack you. You attacked me. And it wasn't irrelevant because there will be uneducated brethren who will see this and see that it is a part of my rite so I am just making sure they don't get confused.

[HalfBathBlog]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana The Ritual of Memphis Misriam was revised for Thelemic Traditions. And I understand wanting to use an old ritual newly translated, but this one IS for Freemasons. The Grand Orient isn't Clandestine in respects to MM don't use them as a shield. You claim dedication to the Saints John without being a freemason that is what @Challenger2060 is referring to. He may have not conferred those degrees but in this capacity he does have a right to be cross with you.

[HalfBathBlog]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana in any event. I wasn't angry or anything. Please message me your contact information so we can discuss this further.

Blessing on all points of light

Bro. Hermes El Alkimi 32/90 2=8

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@HalfBathBlog contact info??? blow it out your ear ya schmuck.

[HalfBathBlog]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana I would consider you an educated man. Accepting the mysteries alone denotes to that fact. I have simply asked you a question about the affiliation of your Lodge of Memphis Misriam. Why can you provide an answer rather than name calling and personal attacks on my unrelated videos. Who could respect a man who behaves in such a manner about such an important topic such as this.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@HalfBathBlog u make grand assumptions. 1) I do not accept the mysteries at all and u would know this if u followed my instructions to watch the related vids and read the description. 2) I do not belong to any Lodge and was never a Freemason, and making these vids DID NOT make me one. 3) I am a Thelemite and I do not want or need your respect. 4) I find it offensive that you try to manipulate me and my site, I will not take down these vids at your behest. Nobody is forcing you to watch, go away

[sarissaki]

@Challenger2060 They really did that? Dont they know that that alone can make them irregular? You can refuse to recognize whatever you dont consider traditional (i.e. Prince Hall, Mixed Masonry) but this is not something of the last 20 or 30 years..i have researched that and they have been around for a while, etc... I am glad I am opting for a European lodge

[TosElBashirTV]

true, i didnt even read the description.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@TosElBashirTV comment left by someone unable or unwilling to read the description.. apparently he thinks that posting the true illuminated secret of all secrets should be posted on freaking youtube... ROFL

Now instead of critique, try contrast and comparison and learn rather than rant.

[SteelWolf13]

Question is, Does this violate any oaths that those in the video may have taken some where along the line? Some below say this is not a blue lodge but a side appended body? Anyone know the exact off shoot? Anyone?

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@SteelWolf13 Answer is: no. In fact this Rite was done as fulfillment of the OTO Oaths to STUDY our Rites. When Frater Baphomet redesigned the masonic Initiations, he drew upon several traditions. Here you see Initiates reading through those for the first time. This is not to say they don't break oaths of some other masonic lineage. So we get praise and scorn depending on the source.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@SteelWolf13 ah, a great question and if you watch the ENTIRE series the OTO Initiates discuss this very issue over the course of this Rite.. Is this an Initiation or a run-through? It was decidedly a run-through and therefore could NOT infringe on OTO Oaths and in fact fulfills them that we swore to study ALL aspects of not just Freemasonry, but all Initiatory schools regardless of bias. M-M is the only one we taped, but we did lots more... lots more..

[MBails1987a1]

Illuminati, You need to get laid....By a woman.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@MBails1987a1 who doesn't? My question is: how is this pertinent to the topic? Surly one could look at your channel and say the same thing... but why bother?!?!?! 

[BLAZINGSTAR322]

93

Brother did you consider that airing this initiation may hurt the feelings of some of your brothers ? To some this rite is holy i hope you reconsider removing this video, i urge you for the sake of your brothers and sisters. Neither cast thy pearls before swine.

93/93

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@BLAZINGSTAR322 ...No.

[BLAZINGSTAR322]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana I wish you the best 93 93/93

[Jenawahrheit]

How many ROM Lodges are there in America?

[mezraim1231]

fake

[MBails1987]

Oh my, people with NOTHING to do.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@MBails1987 my oh my, Nothing better to do than watch other people studying Freemasonry? I suppose if you were among us when we did this a decade ago, you would have been upstairs watch sports.... what a lame comment.

[MBails1987]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana Your not "studying" Freemasonry. Your playing dress up and make believe.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@MBails1987 LOL, would it be correct to say that YOU are not leaving reasonable commentary, just whining like a malcontent cowan. You study your way, we had fun doing it our way. Either way, your comment shows that we apparently got more out of it than you. Your way of studying these Rites is sitting on your arse watching YouTube, and whining LOLOL

[Soulshroude]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana its spelled Cowen. So you do admit that the whole thing was a study class and not an actual degree session.. Thought it looked too generic to be the real thing.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@Soulshroude duhhhh.. read the description. NOT reading the description, or reviewing the entire series, repeatedly over the years evokes the same response over and over.. sheeple bleating.

DO NOT look for enlightenment sitting on your arse in front of your monitors. go DO what thou wilt... (not whatcha want)

[Soulshroude]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana My apologies once again, I normally do not read the descriptions for these vids. But I will for the sake of dispute the next time around where it compells me to do such. But thank you for the many responses, anywho.

[SteelWolf13]

@MBails1987 I'm not a sports person, but football uses a lot of replays after the game to help its players learn. if you perform the "ritual", and then watch it later from an observers point of view you get more out of it as well. You also can pause it and have a discussion on what does that movement mean or what do you think the creators of the rite meant by that phrase? Things like that.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@SteelWolf13 bingo!... ah the Light. Now if we could all just get it to glow steady instead of flicker..

[damon13ish]

@MBails1987 i agree these guys if real would know this shit by heart,,,they are reading this crap

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@damon13ish and you are obviously not reading the description.. lazy?

[n0b0dy508]

@MBails1987 LMAO!!!!! Great reply... I nearly spilled my entire drink..... funny stuff, man!

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@n0b0dy508 what don't you people get? This was the very first read through of the script by any of these people. I suppose you would sit in a comfy chair with a beer to read it through.... I nearly felt empathy.. pathetic stuff

READ THE DESCRIPTION and stop looking for enlightenment on youtube, it shows you don't have a clue..

[n0b0dy508]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana I meant to hit "Reply to your comment" actually, where you talking about them being silly men in dress up.... anyways, thanks for uploading :)

Love&Light

-Christopher

[YACKACOLA]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana,

Thanx for your fraternal comments. I'm a Freemason, belonging to a Droit Humain Lodge, here in Belgium. Brothers & Sisters from Memphis-Mizraîm are welcomed as visitors in our Lodge. You have to know that in Belgium and France, you have more Lodges not being recognized by "London" than so called "regular" Lodges. In Belgium, within 22,000 Freemasons, you only have 1,100 of them belonging to a "regular" Lodge

[YACKACOLA]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana,

Thanx for your fraternal comments. I'm a Freemason, belonging to a Droit Humain Lodge, here in Belgium. Brothers & Sisters from Memphis-Mizraîm are welcomed as visitors in our Lodge. You have to know that in Belgium and France, you have more Lodges not being recognized by "London" than so called "regular" Lodges. In Belgium, within 22,000 Freemasons, you only have 1,100 of them belonging to a "regular" Lodge.

[YACKACOLA]

It is sad that you call this "clandestine" Masonry. I'm a Freemason too (I live in Europe). Memphis-Mizraïm is only clandestine in the eyes of so called "regular" Freemasons, who even reject the whole Rite of Memphis-Mizraïm. I here talk in perfect sincerity, because I don't belong to a Lodge which practices the Rite of Memphis-Mizraïm, but holding all its rituals, I feel it's a very rich and enlightning system. Your video is quite interesting, even if I see some slight errors in it.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@YACKACOLA thank you for you well thought out comment. Appeasing regular Freemasons, who don't take time to read the comments, or watch the series all the way through, is a full-time job here. Not belonging to a Lodge may well be working in your favour since you seem to be able to speak your own mind, and not a dogmatic groupthink. You sir, are on the level and True.

[curtisroad22]

BlacDiamond4 : of course it is fake, but however there is woman in freemasonry depending on the obedience, for exemple the well-known International Masonic Order of "Le droit humain" first co-masonry borned in France at the end of the XIX century.

[7Matahari7]

This is interesting to see played out, thanx for posting.

[HXTonner]

these are not masons, they are Thelemites

[HXTonner]

@HXTonner These are not masons, they almost seem like Thelemites, however when they open the lodge, it is almost the same as a masons lodge, the junior warden and the senior warden are there, but what of the deacons, the tyler and the inner guard. The names are also different, like venerable master, it should be worshipful master if this was a real Freemason lodge, and the wardens and deacons would have different names too....

[BlacDiamond4]

this is fake. not real.. they are not mason thats is not even close to a masonic lodge and there is no woman mason

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@BlacDiamond4

This is a study of Clandestine Freemasonry. This is what we did for FUN, and fulfilling our Oaths (that we took in our actual OTO Initiations) that we would study (all) Freemasonic Rites. Here you see us, all but two, reading the script for the very first time... methinks it a somewhat better way to study EVERYTHING about Freemasonry than watching a computer monitor, Ya'll.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@BlacDiamond4

...and if perchance instead we post the ACTUAL Rites used by you, and us, then you would justly whine that we were revealing what is Secret!... you are stuck on negative no matter what is posted and bleet like all the other sheepish masons. Cowan! Skidoo! Go back to watching sports on TV while the true Initiates have better things to do with their spare time.

Metaphor: Witness a man who would complain about Shakespeare being actually performed instead of just read.

[myoldshorts]

@BlacDiamond4 Just a note to your accusation on women in the Freemasons. Yes their are women in the Freemasons although they are most commonly in off sects of the Freemason Cult like that of the Golden Dawn and the OTO or the Church of Satan. There are many famous women Freemasons such as the Queen of England and Helena Blavatsky.

[ohmybentley]

You reading this from a book,what r u role playing,thats what it looks like.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

READ the description, or if that's too much, watch the video commentary. This is the very first time all but two of these people had ever seen the script, and it was never rehersed. SO, that being said, as a first read through, its better than sitting in a comfy chair, or gazing at a monitor. Also see comment on turban tieing regarding unfamiliar scripts.

[marsoft4647]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana

I found this page and while watching it started get get angry thinking it was yet another supidity perpetuated against Freemasonry.

Upon closer examination, reading your postings and watching the whole thing am actually very glad you posted this.

After researching this group I can see why you would post about them. They are Clandestine indeed.

Fascinating.

[marsoft4647]

@IlluminatiOvIndiana

To clarify. When I use the word Clandestine, that is not me putting it down. Merely making the distinction that is is not a part freemasonry as practiced in my juristiction.

They are simply something else. Not saying that is good or bad, simply not a part of freemasonry as defined and recognised in my juristiction.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

A Most Excellent commentary. Thank you for taking the time to watch, contrast and compare.

[Cyphilus]

The Lord God. Not Lucifer.

[Americanluvunit]

I would be lying if I said this boring shit didn't interest me.

But standing around quoting Pike and like...eh.

It just seems so religious.

Being I'm an X Nazarite, I'd have to say I'm all done with that spectrum.

All I want is the truth.

And some more smoke, cause I'm almost out.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

Truth? ! HA!. That's nothing but honest opinion. All I want are FACTS.

[Americanluvunit]

20 years later you comment.

Damn you Illuminati.

I got a fact for you.

I'm out of GDm weed.

[tdeusa]

Superb portrayal of the First Degree for this Rite! Congratulations Brethren. :-)

As a Freemason, I understand the contentions of the other Brethren, as esoteric Freemasonry is not very well known or supported within Regular Lodge work.

As an esoteric student, I appreciate what you are doing.

Fiat Lvx.

[xzample77]

What's the difference between an esoteric mason and a non esoteric mason

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

Actually the difference between esoteric and mundane masonry is that between Freemasonry and brick laying.

The actual terms used to differentiate esoteric freemasons are Regular and Clandestine. This is an example of a Clandestine Rite and should not be confused with Regular Freemasonry. Regular Freemasons diminish their initiation by assuming these are the same; and exactly opposite for Clandestine Freemasons to assume they are not.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

..oh and what we refer to as esoteric and mundane, the "regular" Freemasons call Speculative and Operative respectively.

[paigejami]

you guys have perverted every bit of this ritual

[cuffem66]

Not at all authentic...this is a joke. Whence came you? I believe "clandestine" is the correct term.

[Jahbulon]

I think the proper word is CIRCUS!

[jester92345]

This is very strange to me and doesnt reflect TRUE Free and Accepted Masons. This seems more like World of Warcraft masonry preverted. just my opinion.

[airbrushizme2]

please dont study this and think you have the knowledge to slip through..first its the wrong rite for ea..how vain of you to think that you can find the answer to centuries of allegoric rites..on youtube at that..cowans will be cowans...so mote it be

[613maccabee]

How is an EA recieved? How does an EA wear His apron? Why is an EA requested to deposit something of a metalic kind? And where is a Mason placed as the youngest EA?

[TigerLeahu]

easy..watch video responces and understand. This particular Rite does not use those lessons.

[littlesteviev]

the rite this is attempting to portray is false. in a truly "masonic" ritual, this room would be absent of females and devoid of "masters" reading from pamphlets.

also notice the age of said "masons". quite young for their said positions.

to be politically incorrect. this is simply retarded.

[xxxporkchop6969]

what a joke!!! i'm a master mason and this is NOT what freemasonry is about  by the square

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

On the Point of the Dividers, Sir! This is an example NOT of REGULAR Freemasonry, but of members of a Clandestine Freemason Cult, performing Irregular Rites that are dead.. in part, no doubt, to take over the world by corrupting Regular Freemasony in secret, with Magick using women and queers.. no wonder you are so inclined to Maul over this one. You Sir, are Square indeed, and perfectly so. What say you Brother's, is not our Brother xxxporkchop6969 Square and True?

[NegiSpringfieldof4ch]

@xxxporkchop6969 This is not Blue Lodge Masonry, Royal Arch, or the more commonly known forms. It is a form that is more in line with the teachings from Ancient Egypt and the Knights Templar. The Knights Templar being the fraternity of Freemasonry and not the mythos of the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ of the Temple. Also, translated from French so it might not be exact.

[guitarplayernr1]

@xxxporkchop6969 wow a master mason! xD lmao. just try to fin the esoteric version of morals and dogma by albert pike, and you'll find out that the lower lvl freemasons are ALL mislead and deceived on purose. you don't get to know what masonry is about til the 30th degree.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

@guitarplayernr1 duh!.. how else will they ever get ppl to come back and get the Initiation upgrades, and increase in dues, unless they didn't tell you the ultimate secret in the first Initiation, and require you to come back for more.. Probably why one system has 33 degrees, and another has 97.

[erinkaufman3]

@xxxporkchop6969 Is highly doubtful your a master mason with a screen name like porckchop 69. You don't need to lie to kick it as my kids say.

[NegiSpringfieldof4ch]

@xxxporkchop6969 Have you ever herped so hard that you derped? You just did! Congratulations on failing at reading and understanding English!

[Nemesis459]

Let them be what they are.. Here I find you and here I leave you.

[derekjkirwin]

stll thou female are not allowed in a masonic meeting

[derekjkirwin]

this wouldnt happen woman are prohibited when a masonic meeting is open, im an entered apprentice

[TigerLeahu]

LOL... perhaps this is a Secret that does not pertain to your grade, snotty little EA.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

A Message to Freemasons:

Before you indignantly whine, please, find a copy of the Rite, translate it to English, get or improvise the necessary temple furniture, and have a go at it, as we have done.

No pretence or intention other than studying the Mysteries.

Its more efficacious than just reading them, or watching someone else do them on youtube... touche' mes Fratres Templar!

[masonicrite]

I am an entered apprentice mason and this is not the craft. I mean why is there wemon in the lodge? a charting number would be good

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

You see a woman, we see "A Man and a Brother". Do you see her as an Initiate, or has she, our Brother, become invisible to you, except as a female? ..AbRaHadAbRa!

Except in matters of Oficers during SEXUAL Rituals, Thelemic Magick is not sexist as practiced. ..ain't no sex goin' on here bubbabro.

[threetwelvetwentyone]

This is not craft masony, I am a Master Master, and women are not permitted in lodge, women have there own version of masonry - Order of the Eastern star. this lodge is not a constituted lodge, I f it were, i would be interested in it's charter number.

[no1smootha]

My brother is correct, this is NOT regular Freemasonry!

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

Dude, you called this a lodge!!!!!!!!! gotcha!

[no1smootha]

It is a Lodge...a CLANDESTINE Lodge unrecognized by Grand Lodge, and working without right, authority or legitimate descent.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

You are of course quite Rite, LOL. This is NOT an example of Craft. It IS an example of OTO "Initiates working the mysteries" no matter which direction they may take them. In fact this Rite was never actually done (just read as a pamphlet) and this may well be the first time they were actually performed.. at least in English.

Unless one has a Charter, one cannot do Initiations. This was done outside those OTO standards. Remember ACO did ALL RITUALS, nothing was off limits.

[00MORDRED]

is that a women i see present?!!!!!!!??

whatchoo talkin bout willis!!???

does the grand lodge of MN allow women

to be present during degree work??

hmmmm. somethings not right.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

Yes, Lady Freemasons other than Eastern Star. Soror Chack is Initiated "A Man and a Brother" and much like Crowley's pullet or frog being consecrated a bishop, she is Magickally in fact a Man... even if not a man.

[00MORDRED]

theres a chapter like that in ohio i think...

great job on the rites BTW...

you guys must be studying alot!!

good job!

:o)

so mote it be.

[MEMYSELFnFAM]

its a fake. theryr just ordinary people showing wht thy do in 1st degree.. i think

if it was genuine, shurly the freemasons can aford a bigger place 2 do there rituals lol

[IrishLincoln]

This is not a legally constituted and duely opened entered apprentice's lodge.

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

Gentlemen,

Please refer to Video #5 in this set starting at 3:33 (!) and the very thing you are pointing out is discussed among these OTO Initiates. NO PRETENSE! We are simply doing this Rite as we would do ANY Rite,Blue Lodge,Frat.Saturni,Golden Dawn,Resh,etc.. or are we?? a la GD published in Eqnx.?

Take LINEAGE out of the equation, or magickally create one.

ALSO, VERY IMPORTANT. A.C.Oasis,OTOers were of one mind that it never counted unless you did it without a script!!!!! Liber MCLI

[IlluminatiOvIndiana]

NO, we are not "showing" what they do in first. We are studying the mysteries with the furnishings we have. This was made before YouTube.. and was merely the record of the Rites performed.

Read the channel statement Please. We are NOT purporting to be a Blue Lodge.

That being said, we do think that taking these oaths, that all Freemasons are our Brothers, and encouraging the universal Brotherhood of Man, is really too good to be exclusive.

[IrishLincoln]

This is Ordo Templi Orientis (Aleister Crowley stuff). Crowley took a lot from Freemasonry, so you will see a few things familiar.

[HyperAzazel616]

opps..I give it a 9.3 out of 10..lol..

[HyperAzazel616]

93 from LLL @MPLS,MN...

93x3

[Rosetteismyname]

Where was the play put on?

[TigerLeahu]

LOL..play... answer ACO,OTO, outside Chicago