It amazes me that anyone is gullible enough to believe in scientology.
Clearly their belief that they are superior to all others is dangerous. Apparantly medicine and psychological help is unnecessary if you pay them enough money to remove the spirits of dead aliens from your body instead. I feel sorry for all the people prevented from getting medical and psychological help because they were sucked in by this ridiculous cult.
Great another iggnorant fucktard how thinks just cause hitler used the term Ubermensch and in a way Nietzche would have been against had he not died 40 years earlier. Hitler also breathed air , ate sugar and had sex but I'm pretty sure you won't stop doing at least one of those anytime soon. On who the ubermensch relates to Scientology again an idoit's statement since Nietzche hated all religions and was about the improvement of one's self by one's self!
sorry but this video is pretty weak. the arguments are not supported by any evidence; in fact there are only some pictures and a song. It doesn't show a clear (no pun intended) link between Scientology and world dominance, or the extreme eradication of so called "non-clears". if this were an essay, I'd have to give in an "F".
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Anonymous is a group of people who think calling a religion a cult or hacking someone's myspace is going to change the world.Your so called Legion is nothing and will never be something.Take the masks off , grow up and get a life,you religious bigots.
Your response show that you know nothing of what we are or what we stand for. We do not begrudge their right to believe whatever they choose to believe. That is their choice, not ours. We do however believe that many actions perpetrated by Scientology in the name of those beliefs are uninformed, negligent, and criminal. Next time, spend ten minutes educating yourself before jumping up and screaming "bigot." It's people like you that allow these things to happen.
Awesome video- it shows very clearly why the cult is dangerous and why the Germans are keeping a close eye on the cult- they've seen this sort of thing before.
Countless people fought and died in two world wars to stop the aryan nazi dictatorship and the cult is just a more sophisticated version of it.
what are you talking about? In NO WAY does this video show a clear relation between cults being dangerous, and German policy on cults.
Dont take me to say that cults can't be dangerous, they obviously can. however you claim that this video shows that clearly, and that it also shows why Germans keep an eye on cults.
Oh come on, don't blame it on Aleister Crowley, he was an inmoral egotistic sadist but he was never worshipped as an idol and he himself made it clear that he'd rather have inteligent individualistic thelemites than sheep that obey his every word. I know, he's the beast 666, it's easy to blame it on the antichrist, but it's not so easy to read him and decide for one self, is it?
I saw that Arnie Lerma posted about your video today on Alt.religion.scientology and got curious. Now I understand why. This video of yours is really top shelf work. It hits right at the heart of why I and so many protest this cult after ceasing to buy their propagnda. Thanks so much and may God continue to bless you and yours.
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Thanks Mollie, Lollie, and AnonRanger! You know you cannot kill PigBoy. You cannot suppress the universal human desire to think, breathe, live, and BE free. The PigBoyMeme rises from the ashes and gets his freak on the YouTubes. It is all about the dream of liberty, the striving, and the yearning. Yay team!
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I ask you again: you said that issues about the German history are not part of the curriculum in a German Gymnasium. I ask you now the fifth time: what exactly is not taught there?
You claimed that Hitler took his ideas from Nietzsche, so where did Hitler mention Nietzsche in "Mein Kampf"?
You claimed that "National Socialism would have died in 1945". Can you prove that?
So is there anything you have to say or do you only keep insulting others?
IMHO the attempts of an individual or group to define themselves as "better" or "more evolved" than the unwashed masses, has it`s roots in the inability of many Ppl to accept their own flaws. They then attept to compensate for their own feelings of inferiority by defining themselves as "Superior" based on skin color, education, etc. L R Hubbard`s creation of "Homo Novis" is nothing new. Hitler did the same with his "Aryans".
You really are an idiot. You want to misinterpret everything we write. My original first post said that if the Nazi's took their ideas from Nietzsche then 1. Nietzsche is not to blame because his work was misinterpreted, 2. Nietzsche's work was changed by his sister to make it likable for the Nazi's and 3. whatever Hitler "saw" in the writings of Nietzsche, the Nazi's would have been there with or without Nietzsche.
Hitler also read books of Schopenhauer, so he is to blame, too?
No one cares about your lies. And Hitler also read Schoperhauer, so he is to blame, too. Maybe his idea of "Stachelschweine" made Hitler to built gas oven in concentration camps.
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Mollie, as previously stated; should you ever care to move beyond slander, dogma, and emotional outbursts, I am waiting to put my library card to use to read the scholarly texts that call out how these ideas entered Herr Hitler's consciousness... Your theory may very well have merit, despite the dogmatic presentation. It is unfortunate that you are so radically opposed to scholarship that you cannot recommend any books. Clearly you have read Orwell's 1984.
And if I give you books what will happen? Your ideas about the German history are so wrong that all the books of the world can't help. That's how it is with brainwashed cult-members like you.But for the fun of it: Use your library card to read Mazzino Montinari.He's a specialist on Nietzsche.And about where Hitler got his ideas from inform yourself about Jörg Lanz.He gave Hitler his ideas and he has nothing to do with Nietzsche. And now troll along scilon.
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Mollie, See it really wasn't that hard to reference two authors now was it? That is a half answer to my question 2 times over. Now, which book titles are you recommending? I only had to ask you 6 times to get a half answer out of you.
Your rabid slander speaks for itself. You are following the prescribed rules set out by LRH to the letter. Is that really easier than answering my question in good faith?
speaking of slander you crazed sci-troll, still waiting for the proof of your statment about me.if you have none, i am ex[pecting an appology, of corse since your not man enough to tell people your sorry for calling then nazi's, then i guess i might be hoping for to much.
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laladiel, no one knows what you are on about, least wise me. No one knows why you rant on and on with the hate and the lies, and still you say nothing about this video.
If you have something constructive to say, please do so. By their fruits shall ye know them.
If you think that you can beat an apology from me for somthing that you made up out of whole cloth, well then I am sorry that you are rude and ignorant. There, I said it. I am sorry. Very sorry.
basicly you said you told mollie i said something, and we both asked you to show it, but you havent so thats you trying to lie about someone, you promised if i pointed out where you called people nazi you would say your sorry, i did and you still refuse.
What about my questions? What about the "curriculum" in a German Gymnasium. Already third time I ask. And those names I gave you are from great people, so read their works, but you won't. Why would you? Just use your library card and I'm sure you'll find their wonderful work. Or check on Amazon. You are clever enough to do that, aren't you?! But don't go to a Scientologist library, you will only find trash there.
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Mollie, so excitable. I have already looked on Amazon and replied to you. Go read that posting.
I have already commented on the Italian, and I certainly will read his book on how to read Nietzsche. It does trouble me that he was a Communist though. It seems that every radical ideologist wants a piece of Nietzsche. I hope his writing is not too rabid.
I am not much interested in reading the actual works of the Austrian nutter though. Eugenics is not much more interesting than phrenology.
There are more historians, philosophers, philologists and others that wrote about Nietzsche. And I mentioned Jörg Lanz because you wanted to know were Hitler got his ideas from. So of course he is an eugenicist. Didn't you understand at least that?
wait, your ok with reading something from a guy who leaves chunks of facts out that would discredit his own point of view, but your unwilling to read anyone who counters the guy's ideas?isnt something scientologists do?wow. your being rather blatent now, arnt you?
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riply43, beware, this is not a welcoming environment for such questions. You will be ranted at, demerited, and shouted down for having the audacity to ask any such question if it means that you fail to worship at the altar of Nietzsche. Only surface questions and dogma are permitted here. This agenda and methodology is documented below.
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"Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaw moar". No offence intended, but what are you doing here? Stay on message. This is not an appropriate forum for crushing the hard questions. That is what is done inside the cult. This behavior is counter-productive. High handed tactics in defense of ideological fanaticism will not further your stated goal. Therefore you must have some hidden agenda.
if you look farther up the comments line meme, you would see that you were the one who went off target in the beginning and couldnt handle being proven wrong, so, may not want to bring that up.
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Anonranger, I am not speaking with or reading what your replicants have to say. Speak for yourself as a free agent.
When you take it upon yourself play marshall and shout down or shut down any discussion that you or your posse find inconvenient or uncomfortable, then you are an active opponent of free speech, free communication, and free thought.
I propose that you mirror this video on your own site where you can stifle conversation as you see fit so no one's pet fantasy ever gets bruised.
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Seriously, no offense intended, but your over doing it with the wild west Marshall thing. Put the guns away. Your over reaction is an over reaction. Free discussion is not going to harm you or anon. Anon is not a prison and anon's do not think in lockstep. And, there is not just one way to think, speak, and act... your way.
I write almost exclusively in political terms. As always, I leave philosophy to you and yours.
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Free people are capable of determining for themselves what they find interesting without your making that decision for them.
Before you so rudely interrupted, I was responding to Riply43's question, "What is it about people that makes a man want
to elevate himself above his brother?"
That is an interesting question. Your self righteous indignation illustrates how vital this question is, as you have done just that, elevated your opinion above anyone else's right to inquire or discuss.
I am not a free agent. I am Anonymous. The other people in this thread disagree with you, so the anonymous mass has decided. Had they told ME to gtfo, I would have done so. I'm starting to wonder if you know how Anonymous works. If you wanna fight Co$, it is of course appreciated, but If you are trying to pass as Anonymous, I suggest you lurk moar, stick your ego where the sun doesn't shine and don't get butthurt if you are disagreed with.
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Anonranger, Anon works by distributing information. You work to suppress it with foul language, unwarranted and groundless attacks and aspersions, and unsolocited advice.
Anon did not give you that tin badge and gun. Put them away. If you have something to say about this video, please do so. What you are doing now is demonstrating the very behavior you claim to find objectionable. Anon does not need a self appointed censor. Put your guns down.
You obviously don't know SHIT about what Anonymous is. You present an idea, and it is either embraced by the collective or it ISN'T, in which case you better not get butthurt like a little girl, or you will find yourself the center of ridicule, liek rite nao. You need to leave your EGO - not your opinion - at the door.
YOU FAIL. DEAL WITH IT and stop trying to trap Anonymous in pointless discussions just because you like to hear yourself talk and think your pseudo-intellectual ass is important.
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Anonranger, still no thoughts on this video I see. Ridicule (peer pressure) is a key tool used by cults to control individuals and to keep them in line by suppressing their individuality. Anon does not do this.
The death of the ego is a goal of cults like scientology. Free Individuals have strong egos. They are self directed. Anon does not oppose the ego.
Shouting and profanity are tools used by the cult to control members. Anon do not do this.
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Anonranger, if you met an individual who was impervious to all of these tactics used by the cult to control members; what desperate measures would you resort to to suppress him? Just how far would you go to impose your own sense of rightous thought and behavior?
Would you put on brown shirts and beat him with slogans? Would you shout profanities, spit in his face, and make him wear a star of david arm band? Would you try to exterminate him?
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I question the honesty and integrity of anyone who claims to speak for Anon; to "be" Anon.
We are all Anonymous. There is strength in this; yet it has limitations. This fact explicitly prohibits anyone from setting themselves up as tin pot dictator or arbiter of correct thought, speech, and action.
Get down off your high horse, self appointed Marshall of the Internets. The more forceful and shrill you become the more you exhibit what you claim to oppose; hypocracy, cruelty, and moral defect.
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These thoughts and actions of yours; this righteous and indignant attitude and the desperate willingness to resort to any measure to assert dominance are classic symptoms of the delusion that is trying to apply the Ubermensch ideology in a social or political context. That was Hitler's folly. It was Hubbard's folly. And, this is your folly.
There is no Ubermensch, only individual human beings. And, yes, each and every individual matters!
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As much as individuals matter, so do ideas. Ideas matter whether they are popularly held or not; whether they are fashionable or not; whether they are doctrine or heresy. Ideas matter whether you like them or not.
Why? Because there can be no liberty without a free marketplace of ideas. This is a core belief in our way of life. Yet your behavior is at odds with this. This is the behavior of a fanatic.
What kind of self respecting son of liberty would bow down to such tyrannical capriciousness?
that is not really an answer.there are such things as "bad ideas" such as scientology was a bad idea,can you name a truth that is bad?you had the idea you were right on some things, even after the truth was braught forth.you said before the nazis, there were no groups like them, a few were named, and you still held onto the idea you were right.
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laladiel, Ideas are value neutral in and of themselves. Thus there are no inherently good or bad ideas.
There are ideas that when applied produce outcomes which can be viewed as good or bad (desireable or undesireable).
I don't know what a "nazi like group" is. This term is undefined and undefineable (and thus meaningless). Therefore, I cannot consider evidence about such supposed groups.
The evidence of the pre-existence of such groups was by assertion and innuendo, and thus not credible.
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laladiel, cont... No evidence has been offered to support the theory that the Nazi's are of a kind with some pre-existing group. That Monarchists supported the party does not make them adherents or precursors. That argument is not logically valid.
This theory may or may not have validity. I have no way of knowing as it is not defined and has apparently not been explored by any Historian. But if you point me to a book on this theory I will go and read it.
i never said monarchists, if your going to try and discredit my statment, then go by it. point out how i was wrong using the group i said.
as for things that explored what im saying, read any history book.i told you about this history of the group.or you can use your own source of info, wiki.
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laladiel, Mollie referenced Monarchists, and that was the only reference that made sense on any level. I believe you referenced the teletubbies. But we all know that the television was not deployed until after WWII.
I interpret your refusal to provide a reference to a book on this theory of yours to be an admission that you are engaged in a disinformation campaign.
wow, did you just come up with that?you should really hire someone to come up with better lines for you.i did did offer a refrence, but i guess i overestimated you on that. i thought you would recall something you complained about.
group, Emperial Japan,refrences rape of nanking, highschool history books, history books about emperial japan from around 1860-1945, or as stated in the other post, you can use the refrence you claimed yourself, wiki.
the meaning is self explanitry if you gave it less then half second of thought.
nazi like group = a group like the nazis.i dont know how much more simple i can make it.nazism was a fascist form of government that tryed to eliminate people it seen as inferier.i pointed out pre-1900 groups that fit this to a T.pointed them out to you, and gave you dates. tell me, eating a puffed up blow fish, good or bad idea?
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laladiel, really nazi like is like a nazi. You make it sound so simple. But the word fascism was invented to describe the National Socialists; therefore no fascists could exist before the party was founded. There is no need to look further because this critical condition cannot be met by any party prior to 1919.
you didnt look at your history books, did you?Emperial Japan was a fascist government, Italy under Mussalini was fascist.oh, and Japan was fascist before 1919.well, before 1900 for that matter, so try again.
now, unless you have something better to say, im going to bed, and tomorrow, after i try to find that post, im getting back on target, you have destracted me enough and im done. pointing out your errors has taken up enough of my time.
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laladiel, good. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about this video instead of all these nit picky non issues. Can the distraction master become the target master? Tune in tomorrow.
"But the word fascism was invented to describe the National Socialists;"
Like always ... you are wrong! The word "fascism" comes from the latin word "fasces" (pl. "fasci"). It describes a bundle of rods, carried before in ancient Rome from magistrates as an emblem of authority. Later the bundle of rods became the official symbol of the italian movement led by Mussolini. So the word "fascism" was "invented" for Mussolini and not for the National Socialists.
But even if it was ... as proven in the root of the word fascism (fasces = bundle of rods), fascism originally only means a bundle of people and so even if this word didn't exist before there were other bundles of people who did the same things as the later fascists.
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Mollie, the existence of a Latin root does not indicate when a word was couned in English or German or Italian, and certainly not in Japanese. There are several hundred Latin roots, but your fantasy that this says anything about when a word was coined is fantasy. Connotation and Denotation are all about usage and only sometimes reflected by word roots.
As already explained, but of course must be repeated for you: The root of the word "fascism" links to the "bundle of rods" which was the symbol of the movement of Mussolini. Sloooowly: Mussolini uses bundle of rods as symbol, bundle of rods called "fasces", Mussolini people called "fascists" because use bundle of rods called "fasces". Get it now?
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Mollie, yes you have repeated the same irrelevancy because there is no connection between your little word root lesson and laldiel's thesis. This is called distraction through repetition.
What you need to establish to support laladiel's theory is that this modern word was used before 1900 in Japan. You have not done that. You are off your own topic.
Meme: "But the word fascism was invented to describe the National Socialists;" <--
Like always ... you are wrong! The word "fascism" comes from the latin word "fasces" (pl. "fasci"). It describes a bundle of rods, carried before in ancient Rome from magistrates as an emblem of authority. Later the bundle of rods became the official symbol of the italian movement led by Mussolini. So the word "fascism" was "invented" for Mussolini and not for the National Socialists.
in an earlier statment, meme had called someone a nazi for pointing out mistakes, thats what i was pointing godwins law out for. i agree, homo novus is hubbards made up "master race" nor did i dispute scientology could easily be matched with the nazis as thunderf00t had done before. im not sure why my comment wasnt right under that one, for some reason, my comments are munched up insted of under what their replying to.
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laladiel, I once called my stepfather Hitler, but I most assuredly did not call anyone a Nazi here, even you. ;-) You can't seriously have interpreted anything like that from what I said can you?
Please point out this reference, and I will offer appropriate apologies or corrections; but if you can't then I request the same from you.
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laladiel, this is patently absurd and these quotes are out of context.
1. This is true.
2. This is the logical conclusion of her line of reasoning. This is called reductio ad absurdam, or reducing an argument to it's logical and absurd conclusion.
4. Mollie is a self avowed fan of Nietzsche's work and argues that his Ubermensch is different from the Nazis, and is likewise different from what other's meant by the term. This is a valid question.
seems you cant tell the truth. you have called people nazi's, said if someone could point out where you would say you were sorry and cant do that.also, Neitzsche didnt write mein kapf so your wrong there, also, it looks like you cant count either.
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laladiel, pathetic troll is pathetic.
If you cannot navigate metaphors, similes, analogies, and reduction to absurdity, then you should not be pretending to read what you cannot comprehend. These lies smell like OSA to me.
Did I say that Nietzsche wrote Mein Kampf? NO OSA troll.
The thesis (which I did not originate) is that Nietzsche's use of extremely aggressive language, and his popularization of the Ubermensch made Hitler's Mein Kampf possible. Hitler even used Nietzsche's language.
i have shown where you called people nazi, you cant handle proof, not my fault scientology warped your mind so badly.you said show proof and you would say your sorry.i showed you proof so you have some apologizing to do.
i know your pathetic meme, you dont have to spell it out so openly. you said, that without Neitzsche, mein kampf would not have been made, i say thats not true because he was not the one who wrote it.hitler wrote it. so you are wrong there, you have called people nazi's, and promised to say you were sorry for it, but now refuse. you make claims about people being in osa when you are the one using their tactics.ahh, you have been found out and trying to shift attention, right meme?
also, if you looked over the post, when Ranger said it might be good to hold off on this discussion till after scientology was finished, a few of us agreed that was a good idea, but meme kept at it.
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laladiel, I do not take orders from Anonranger and neither should you. He essentially put forth the argument that any meaningful discussion was boring to him, not suited to this venue, and that I should shut up. Then he went on to assert that he spoke for Anon. I have only one word to say to that, "Nuts".
i take no orders from anyone, i just thought he had a good idea about staying on target with scientology, but you keep at it trying to destrat from the main fight.
"He essentially put forth the argument that any meaningful discussion was boring to him,"
First it' not possible to have a meaningful discussion when you are around and second AnonRanGer just prefers to go against the cult than other anons. Nothing that you like obviously.
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laladiel, you need to work on your subtle reasoning skills. Pointing out that someone engages in the same folly as onther person did is not equating them. It is comparing them or pointing out a similarity in specific behavior.
No one is calling anyone Hitler here. But I think you know that. Such willful illiteracy and impaired reasoning is beyond believability.
one thing your missing, Anon is for freedom of speech, scientology is agenst it, so, Anon would be ok with profanity.you seem to have a problem with it though.Ranger is free to say what they like just as the rest of us are, that includes saying things that point out where you are wrong.
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laladiel, Anon does not advocate profanity because in doing so they would be perceived as hostile; as attacking the CoS. Attacking is not a practical strategy because it hardens scilon reactivity and paints Anon as callous ass*oles. That does not help people inside the cult to see that life outside is possible or desireable.
Anonranger is free to express his own opinion, but not to set himself up as the voice of Anon as he has repeatedly attempted to do. No one speaks for all Anon. No one.
reread your post. you try to speak for anon, then claim that its a wrong thing to do. also, its hard to be for freedom of speech while trying to block some of it, thats one of the reason most people i have spoken to are angry with scientology.
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laladiel, I read my posts. I wrote them. I have never claimed any special or superior knowledge that would authorize me to speak as Anonymous. This is quite plainly not true.
It is hypocritical to claim to support free speech and then to try to silence people who don't agree with some pet theory. I entirely agree. That behavior does not work, clearly. Neither does accusing others of things that never happened.
"laladiel, Anon does not advocate profanity because in doing so they would be perceived as hostile; as attacking the CoS. Attacking is not a practical strategy because it hardens scilon reactivity and paints Anon as callous ass*oles. That does not help people inside the cult to see that life outside is possible or desireable."
sure sounds like your trying to speak for them here.
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laladiel, "Anon does not advocate profanity...". You do not need to decode or interpret my statement. It is a statement of fact based upon observation. It is phrased as an explanation not an instruction.
This is why I referenced the tactics of disinformation. No one could in good faith interpret my statement to mean that I regard my knowledge as superior, or that I might claim to the some sort of insane Alpha Anon.
i have seen a great many Anons using what you call "profanity". i didnt decode anything, im taking it for what it is, and there are many other instences where you have tryed to speak for anon. not just that one i pointed out.i can go through this board and show you many other times.you have asked this before, but im the kind of person who believes you shouldnt ask a person a question you would be unwilling to answer first yourself. what is your agenda?
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laladiel, you have disinformation skills. Are you trying to demonstrate the LRH tactic "always attack never defend" or is this just plain old fair game? I have enough on my plate speaking for myself (and PigBoyMeme he can't type so good). I have never pretended to be the leader of Anon or to speak for them. I am not Anonranger. You are lying.
Nobody is attacking here except for you. Your have been proven wrong about nearly EVERYTHING you wrote. Do were wrong about the invention of the word "fascism", about the ghettos of the jews, about Nazi's that didn't came out of the blue in 1920 and what's maybe worst you have been wrong about South Park. You have been given names, years, evidence and we all were very patient to show you where you are wrong and to give you the right information.
But you just keep going against us with your false statements which show lack of knowledge in every word. Your knowledge about the German History, the Italian history, Philosophy, Linguistic and South Park is miserable.
You try to turn and twist what we write to make us look like we are against free speech, but we are not. Anonymous is here to expose the crimes of the cult of $cientology. And obviously it's more important to you to attack anons and waste their time than to expose the evil cult.
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Mollie, Who is "us"? The topic at hand is the Imperial Japanese invention of fascism prior to 1900.
The critical piece is to demonstrate some use of this word prior to 1889. If you can't do that then laladiel's thesis is broken. You can't do that in Germany, Japan, Italy, or anywhere else or you would present the evidence.
It is not enough to nitpick details. If your main premise is without historical merit, then it is speculative history. Japanese fascism prior to 1900... evidence? Not.
"The topic at hand is the Imperial Japanese invention of fascism prior to 1900."
See, that's the problem. The "topic" is the evil cult of Scientology and it's crimes. I thought you are an anon ... shouldn't you go against scilons instead of anons?
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Mollie, Indeed I go against the Ubermensch in whatever disguise he or in your case she come.
Sheeple cannot successfully advocate freedom.
You advocate sheeple mentality. Anon does not. Therefore you are not Anon. You thoughts and actions differ from those of LRH only in style, not substance.
What the fuck do YOU know about Anonymous, failfag? Are you trying to EDUCATE people on what Anon is or is not when you obviously don't know SHIT about it?
Anonymous is a collective, a hive mind. An individual presents an idea to the group, and it either catches on or it doesn't (like for example your FAIL forced PigBoy meme shit). And you DEFINITELY need to leave your fucking ego at the door, period.
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Anonranger, if it walks and talks and acts like a fanboy for mind control, then it is a fanboy for mind control. If you want to be perceived differently, then change your behavior.
You have no right to piss on my freak flag. You are "the man". You probably don't know what that means. You probably don't know this phrase either: Die Gedanken Sind Frei. It translates as Thoughts Are Free. Deal with it control freak.
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Anonranger, I am glad to hear that you are done attempting to suppress free thought and inquiry. Because you cannot suppress the free thought and free communication of free people. You cannot succeed in turning Anon into a cult where everyone's thoughts are identical. It is not going to happen.
The hive mind is a metaphor. Anon are not bees and do not mindlessly follow the dictates of megalomaniacs like LRH, or Hitler, or your little gang of three.
I'm not anon because I would like to prefer to expose the evil cult of Scientology instead of reading your wrong statements about history? Yeah, that makes totally sense.
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laladiel, "more trying to talk for Anon."
When you start to behave like Anon, then I will begin to believe that you might be Anon.
When you behave like an OSA Troll, as you do and have, I will regard you as an OSA Troll dedicated to a disinformation campaign of distortion, distraction, confusion, and lies when these fail.
incase you havent noticed, i tryed to end this several times, you keep trying to keep it going, points to you trying to distract you pathetic little sockpuppet.
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Mollie, None of these piddling details are relevant to your premise put forth as an unsupported assertion. You still arrogantly refuse to provide any supporting reference for your main thesis. This refusal is tacit acknowledgment that your thesis is pure opinion and has never been written about by any Historian or Political Scientist because the facts do not support it.
I would reference William Shirer as one author who wrote about Nietzsche's work in relation to Nazism. You have nothing.
Lol, you just ignore the important shit and keep right on debating and evading and distracting Anonymous from fighting Co$. WTF is wrong with you? What's your fucking POINT? HOW IS THIS HELPING THE CAUSE?
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Anonranger, great, so we have the whole gang of distractors here. What is this cause that prohibits the application of discernment and evidenciary rules? Isn't that what LRH did?
My point is that if you can present any pet theory as if it had historical merit and deny the historical and political history, then you become people of the lie. You become exactly what you claim to object to in the cult. This is the danger of the Ubermensch. You are demonstrating it quite clearly.
"Anonranger, great, so we have the whole gang of distractors here."
YOU are the only one distracting. Again: HOW IS THIS HELPING OUR CAUSE?
You're keeping Anonymous from actually dealing with Co$ AND you put people watching this to SLEEP and therefore make them less inclined to participate.
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Anonranger, Let me rephrase my previous answer to your question. I can repeat this phrase as often as you can repeat you contentions that Anon are incapable of free thought, have the attention spans of fleas, and are incapable of processing anything but party slogans.
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Anonranger, this is the important point: in order to be successful Anon must be flexible and creative. In order to be flexible and creative Anon must be open to understanding the cult's history and origins.
You oppose any exploration of any history or the origins of anything. You oppose thought, not just free thought. You embody the spirit of cultic thought suppression. Therefore you are not Anon. You oppose the understanding which is a necessary precondition for flexible and creative action.
Write a fucking essay about it, post it on a website and link to it, but stop the wandering pseudo-intellectual preacher shit. Nobody wants to have discussions forced on them.
And stick the fucking accusations up your preposterous ass. Ask around if you think I'm not Anon, you dumb fuck. No bullshit you spout can change the fact that I AM indeed Anonymous and have actually DONE something about Co$ instead of just DEBATING it.
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Anonranger, Anon is creative and flexible by virtue of their individuality. You oppose individuality, free inquiry, and free thought. Therefore you oppose Anon.
Are you fucking out of your mind, failfag? How peculiar - I oppose your preposterous ass and you accuse me of not being Anon, trying to exclude me and declare who's Anon and who's not, thereby doing the same thing you accuse ME of. Pathetic.
And you always attack and never defend - sounds like a familiar M.O. I've pwned faggots like you before - and all of them were $cilons. Hm...
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Anonranger, I see you still have nothing to say about this video.
I accuse you of nothing. I state that your behavior is self serving, arrogant, and that you are an ill tempered, intollerant, rabid opponent of free thought. You and your clan exhibit disinformation techniques reminiscent of classic OSA strategy.
Your veiled threats and foul language remind me of my confrontations with numerous OSA trolls.
Your actions do not accord with Anon's practices or intentions. You are Anti-Anon.
"Your actions do not accord with Anon's practices or intentions."
But distracting Anonymous from their goal by trying to trap them in discussions about fascism in Japan prior to 1900 AND TRYING TO PROVOKE INFIGHTING is totally Anon's intention. M-hm.
"You are Anti-Anon."
Yeah, sure I am... that's why I want to get people to FIGHT CO$ instead of listening to your bullshit.
Im quite amazed! this is a week long arguement almost 360 comments long. At what point do people call it a day. There's no winning here just flogging dead hourses!
Not all anons are the same! The vast majority of us are peace loveing and only want to do the right thing.
Its great that all people think different and can express their views but at what point does expressing your views become nothing more than shouting at the moon?
Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of Anonymous' variety in character, but I'm still gonna flame anyone who's talking shit.
I don't oppose memeAnons attempts to debate, but if he wants to do that, he should learn to admit when he's wrong, and not get butthurt if someone disapproves.
I've never seen him debate $CILONS, btw... and I get around a lot.
But well, looks like he gave up, anyways, so fuck it.
Thanks for dropping by and throwing a bit of sense at us, btw.
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NicNasty1981, I too am amazed at the lengths that will be gone to to defend the memories of Nietzsche and LRH. Birds of a feather flock together.
I cannot reconcile the values and language used by this team of 3 with the goals and means of Anon, therefore I must conclude that these folks are not Anon but are OSA operatives. The key is in the way that they speak for each other, just like xemutv. Xemutv was a group project by a gang of folks claiming to be scientologists, freezoners, narcanoners.
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NicNasty1981, the tactics deployed by these folks are transparent and classic OSA disinformation techniques. They attack this video by attacking it's underlying analogy. The objective is to dissociate Nietzsche's body of work from LRH's by denying the link between Nietzsche's work and the National Socialists.
But that link is critical to understanding what this video means, and that is why these folks can't tolerate it. William L. Shirer documented these critical links as have many others.
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NicNasty1981, you will find that nowhere in this long string have these folks referenced the work of any Historian or Political Scientist. In response to my reference to William Shirer they are mute. Their priority is to suppress the link between Nietzsche's work and the CoS by way of Hitler and LRH by whatever means necessary...
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NicNasty1981, cont...
Shirer was a correspondent in Europe during the years of Nazi ascendency. He wrote the following books among others:
Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich
Berlin Diary: The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent, 1934-1941
The Nightmare Years 1930-1940
The rise and fall of Adolf Hitler
It is shocking but true that Germans born after the war know nearly nothing about that war or the rise of nazism. They call it "the dark time". It is a taboo topic in Germany...
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NicNasty1981, cont... The Germans have never engaged in a national discussion of the topic, and do not include it as part of the curriculum in Gymnasium. This precludes any meaningful inclusive public discussion or the formation of a consensus on the causes of the rise of the radical ideology of Nietzsche's Ubermensch in Germany.
But the FaceTubes are not subject to German or Scilon Taboos; and these topics are open for discussion regardless of anyone's pet agenda...
It amazes me that anyone is gullible enough to believe in scientology.
Clearly their belief that they are superior to all others is dangerous. Apparantly medicine and psychological help is unnecessary if you pay them enough money to remove the spirits of dead aliens from your body instead. I feel sorry for all the people prevented from getting medical and psychological help because they were sucked in by this ridiculous cult.
AwesomeFish12 1 year ago
I love your videos, they are a great piece of artisitc work, thanks for making them. You are helping expose the cult for what it really is
angloman1 1 year ago
Great another iggnorant fucktard how thinks just cause hitler used the term Ubermensch and in a way Nietzche would have been against had he not died 40 years earlier. Hitler also breathed air , ate sugar and had sex but I'm pretty sure you won't stop doing at least one of those anytime soon. On who the ubermensch relates to Scientology again an idoit's statement since Nietzche hated all religions and was about the improvement of one's self by one's self!
IronXuke 1 year ago
Nietzche did not approve of the Nazis. He said harming others was not what an Ubermensch would do. You have distorted information
TDP788 1 year ago
NAZI CULT.
amokk30 1 year ago
Isn't it spelled "homo novus"?
masaoHF 1 year ago
sorry but this video is pretty weak. the arguments are not supported by any evidence; in fact there are only some pictures and a song. It doesn't show a clear (no pun intended) link between Scientology and world dominance, or the extreme eradication of so called "non-clears". if this were an essay, I'd have to give in an "F".
ProjectAwesome1 2 years ago
Awesome video.
The connection between fascism and the Cult of Scientology is crystal clear, and I echo in the resounding NEVER AGAIN.
Thanks for posting. excellent video.
NomenNescioNY 2 years ago 3
Many thanks for posting
StopUnumNow 2 years ago
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Mixing scientology with thelema - stupid.
Mistaking national socialism with fascism - stupid.
And remember kids: national socialism was cool, but scientology is not. Hitler was cool, but Hubbar was not.
Sieg Heil 93 :*
jewtubehuj 2 years ago
Great Video!!! Full of IMPACT, lulz and WIN. Thanks for posting. 10 STARS. I'll settle for 5.
jdtrickster4 2 years ago 6
Sieg heil
JamesGod08 2 years ago
thankyou for your wonderful eyepopping vids!
professorweegie 2 years ago 7
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Anonymous is a group of people who think calling a religion a cult or hacking someone's myspace is going to change the world.Your so called Legion is nothing and will never be something.Take the masks off , grow up and get a life,you religious bigots.
tegakishuko 2 years ago
Your response show that you know nothing of what we are or what we stand for. We do not begrudge their right to believe whatever they choose to believe. That is their choice, not ours. We do however believe that many actions perpetrated by Scientology in the name of those beliefs are uninformed, negligent, and criminal. Next time, spend ten minutes educating yourself before jumping up and screaming "bigot." It's people like you that allow these things to happen.
PropagandAnon 2 years ago 14
Awesome video- it shows very clearly why the cult is dangerous and why the Germans are keeping a close eye on the cult- they've seen this sort of thing before.
Countless people fought and died in two world wars to stop the aryan nazi dictatorship and the cult is just a more sophisticated version of it.
Never again
laserofjustice 2 years ago 4
what are you talking about? In NO WAY does this video show a clear relation between cults being dangerous, and German policy on cults.
Dont take me to say that cults can't be dangerous, they obviously can. however you claim that this video shows that clearly, and that it also shows why Germans keep an eye on cults.
ProjectAwesome1 2 years ago
@ProjectAwesome1 -- erm, have read you read sidebar >>>
LRonHu88ard 2 years ago
You are one hell of an awesome person! Great vid!
Lexanon 3 years ago 12
Oh come on, don't blame it on Aleister Crowley, he was an inmoral egotistic sadist but he was never worshipped as an idol and he himself made it clear that he'd rather have inteligent individualistic thelemites than sheep that obey his every word. I know, he's the beast 666, it's easy to blame it on the antichrist, but it's not so easy to read him and decide for one self, is it?
ohem 3 years ago
dont mess with germany. if u have no culture, go into ur spaceships or something and leave. but i doubt u can. u just hurt.
docplutonium 3 years ago 2
I saw that Arnie Lerma posted about your video today on Alt.religion.scientology and got curious. Now I understand why. This video of yours is really top shelf work. It hits right at the heart of why I and so many protest this cult after ceasing to buy their propagnda. Thanks so much and may God continue to bless you and yours.
~ Mary McConnell
4Christ4ever 3 years ago 11
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Thanks Mollie, Lollie, and AnonRanger! You know you cannot kill PigBoy. You cannot suppress the universal human desire to think, breathe, live, and BE free. The PigBoyMeme rises from the ashes and gets his freak on the YouTubes. It is all about the dream of liberty, the striving, and the yearning. Yay team!
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PigBoyMeme 3 years ago
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Thx for the video...5/5.
Since Scientologists feel they are the
superior ones..the "Homo Novis"...the ones
L R Hubbard created to Rule the World....I would like to see an Example and Proof of their claim.
Please present on American TV a "Clear"
...a real live Homo Novis.
Riply043 3 years ago 6
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@ MemeScilon
I ask you again: you said that issues about the German history are not part of the curriculum in a German Gymnasium. I ask you now the fifth time: what exactly is not taught there?
You claimed that Hitler took his ideas from Nietzsche, so where did Hitler mention Nietzsche in "Mein Kampf"?
You claimed that "National Socialism would have died in 1945". Can you prove that?
So is there anything you have to say or do you only keep insulting others?
mollie2810 3 years ago 4
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Riply043 3 years ago 5
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@ MemeScilon
You really are an idiot. You want to misinterpret everything we write. My original first post said that if the Nazi's took their ideas from Nietzsche then 1. Nietzsche is not to blame because his work was misinterpreted, 2. Nietzsche's work was changed by his sister to make it likable for the Nazi's and 3. whatever Hitler "saw" in the writings of Nietzsche, the Nazi's would have been there with or without Nietzsche.
Hitler also read books of Schopenhauer, so he is to blame, too?
mollie2810 3 years ago 2
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Mollie, "You really are an idiot."
Nietzsche's work is the body of work that bears his name. See a psychotherapist about your blame fixation.
1. No one cares about blame
2. No one cares about the origin or purity of this lineage.
3. Mein Kampf is written using the very language of Nietzsche
4. No one cares about what might have happened if Nietzsche had never lived. This is pure speculation. Historical speculation is speculative fiction.
5. Schopenhauer? What is wrong with your brain?
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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No one cares about your lies. And Hitler also read Schoperhauer, so he is to blame, too. Maybe his idea of "Stachelschweine" made Hitler to built gas oven in concentration camps.
mollie2810 3 years ago 2
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Mollie, as previously stated; should you ever care to move beyond slander, dogma, and emotional outbursts, I am waiting to put my library card to use to read the scholarly texts that call out how these ideas entered Herr Hitler's consciousness... Your theory may very well have merit, despite the dogmatic presentation. It is unfortunate that you are so radically opposed to scholarship that you cannot recommend any books. Clearly you have read Orwell's 1984.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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*lol* Slander? You mean like you use?
And if I give you books what will happen? Your ideas about the German history are so wrong that all the books of the world can't help. That's how it is with brainwashed cult-members like you.But for the fun of it: Use your library card to read Mazzino Montinari.He's a specialist on Nietzsche.And about where Hitler got his ideas from inform yourself about Jörg Lanz.He gave Hitler his ideas and he has nothing to do with Nietzsche. And now troll along scilon.
mollie2810 3 years ago
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Mollie, See it really wasn't that hard to reference two authors now was it? That is a half answer to my question 2 times over. Now, which book titles are you recommending? I only had to ask you 6 times to get a half answer out of you.
Your rabid slander speaks for itself. You are following the prescribed rules set out by LRH to the letter. Is that really easier than answering my question in good faith?
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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speaking of slander you crazed sci-troll, still waiting for the proof of your statment about me.if you have none, i am ex[pecting an appology, of corse since your not man enough to tell people your sorry for calling then nazi's, then i guess i might be hoping for to much.
laladiel 3 years ago
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laladiel, no one knows what you are on about, least wise me. No one knows why you rant on and on with the hate and the lies, and still you say nothing about this video.
If you have something constructive to say, please do so. By their fruits shall ye know them.
If you think that you can beat an apology from me for somthing that you made up out of whole cloth, well then I am sorry that you are rude and ignorant. There, I said it. I am sorry. Very sorry.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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"laladiel, no one knows what you are on about, least wise me."
Who are you speaking for? Who is "no one"? No one in your cult?
mollie2810 3 years ago
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I HAVE a little shadow that goes in and out with me,
And what can be the use of him is more than I can see.
He is very, very like me from the heels up to the head;
And I see him jump before me, when I jump into my bed.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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oschaper tactics again.hmm.trying to tell us something?
laladiel 3 years ago
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basicly you said you told mollie i said something, and we both asked you to show it, but you havent so thats you trying to lie about someone, you promised if i pointed out where you called people nazi you would say your sorry, i did and you still refuse.
laladiel 3 years ago
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What about my questions? What about the "curriculum" in a German Gymnasium. Already third time I ask. And those names I gave you are from great people, so read their works, but you won't. Why would you? Just use your library card and I'm sure you'll find their wonderful work. Or check on Amazon. You are clever enough to do that, aren't you?! But don't go to a Scientologist library, you will only find trash there.
mollie2810 3 years ago 2
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Mollie, so excitable. I have already looked on Amazon and replied to you. Go read that posting.
I have already commented on the Italian, and I certainly will read his book on how to read Nietzsche. It does trouble me that he was a Communist though. It seems that every radical ideologist wants a piece of Nietzsche. I hope his writing is not too rabid.
I am not much interested in reading the actual works of the Austrian nutter though. Eugenics is not much more interesting than phrenology.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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There are more historians, philosophers, philologists and others that wrote about Nietzsche. And I mentioned Jörg Lanz because you wanted to know were Hitler got his ideas from. So of course he is an eugenicist. Didn't you understand at least that?
mollie2810 3 years ago
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wait, your ok with reading something from a guy who leaves chunks of facts out that would discredit his own point of view, but your unwilling to read anyone who counters the guy's ideas?isnt something scientologists do?wow. your being rather blatent now, arnt you?
laladiel 3 years ago 2
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mollie2810,laladiel,and AnonRanGER01
have been true Anons since the very
beginning of Anonymous`s fight against
the dangerous greedy CULT of Co$.
Please do not insinuate in any way
that have ever done anything but
work for Anonymous.
To do so is asking for trouble.
Riply043 3 years ago 8
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"Nietzsche's work based on ideas of Freud"
MY MISTAKE! Mixed it up.
mollie2810 3 years ago 2
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im done with meme's destractions now. again, good video LRonHu88ard.:)looking forward to the next one.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
5:07 - I love that picture!
lovelara2 3 years ago
What is it about people that makes a man want
to elevate himself above his brother?
Feeling inside that he was nothing, LRH sought to solve his problem by creating a "Master Race" with himself as the Supreme Leader or "Source".
One must only look at the videos of Hubbard`s
"Homo Novis" and watch their behavior to see
he never succeeded.
riply43 3 years ago 7
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riply43, beware, this is not a welcoming environment for such questions. You will be ranted at, demerited, and shouted down for having the audacity to ask any such question if it means that you fail to worship at the altar of Nietzsche. Only surface questions and dogma are permitted here. This agenda and methodology is documented below.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaw moar
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 9
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"Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaw moar". No offence intended, but what are you doing here? Stay on message. This is not an appropriate forum for crushing the hard questions. That is what is done inside the cult. This behavior is counter-productive. High handed tactics in defense of ideological fanaticism will not further your stated goal. Therefore you must have some hidden agenda.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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if you look farther up the comments line meme, you would see that you were the one who went off target in the beginning and couldnt handle being proven wrong, so, may not want to bring that up.
laladiel 3 years ago
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Yeah, I have some hidden agenda. *rolleyes*
We want people to know about Co$'s crimes, not put them to sleep with endless, deeply philosophical discussions.
I mean, it's cool that people see we're not all about the "NO U, failfag", but you're seriously overdoing it.
You host Co$-videos on your channel to have deep discussions about them. My suggestion is that you mirror this vid and do it there.
Also, what lala said.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 6
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Anonranger, I am not speaking with or reading what your replicants have to say. Speak for yourself as a free agent.
When you take it upon yourself play marshall and shout down or shut down any discussion that you or your posse find inconvenient or uncomfortable, then you are an active opponent of free speech, free communication, and free thought.
I propose that you mirror this video on your own site where you can stifle conversation as you see fit so no one's pet fantasy ever gets bruised.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Seriously, no offense intended, but your over doing it with the wild west Marshall thing. Put the guns away. Your over reaction is an over reaction. Free discussion is not going to harm you or anon. Anon is not a prison and anon's do not think in lockstep. And, there is not just one way to think, speak, and act... your way.
I write almost exclusively in political terms. As always, I leave philosophy to you and yours.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Free people are capable of determining for themselves what they find interesting without your making that decision for them.
Before you so rudely interrupted, I was responding to Riply43's question, "What is it about people that makes a man want
to elevate himself above his brother?"
That is an interesting question. Your self righteous indignation illustrates how vital this question is, as you have done just that, elevated your opinion above anyone else's right to inquire or discuss.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Lurk moar.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 5
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I am not a free agent. I am Anonymous. The other people in this thread disagree with you, so the anonymous mass has decided. Had they told ME to gtfo, I would have done so. I'm starting to wonder if you know how Anonymous works. If you wanna fight Co$, it is of course appreciated, but If you are trying to pass as Anonymous, I suggest you lurk moar, stick your ego where the sun doesn't shine and don't get butthurt if you are disagreed with.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 5
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Anonranger, Anon works by distributing information. You work to suppress it with foul language, unwarranted and groundless attacks and aspersions, and unsolocited advice.
Anon did not give you that tin badge and gun. Put them away. If you have something to say about this video, please do so. What you are doing now is demonstrating the very behavior you claim to find objectionable. Anon does not need a self appointed censor. Put your guns down.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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You obviously don't know SHIT about what Anonymous is. You present an idea, and it is either embraced by the collective or it ISN'T, in which case you better not get butthurt like a little girl, or you will find yourself the center of ridicule, liek rite nao. You need to leave your EGO - not your opinion - at the door.
YOU FAIL. DEAL WITH IT and stop trying to trap Anonymous in pointless discussions just because you like to hear yourself talk and think your pseudo-intellectual ass is important.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 4
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Anonranger, still no thoughts on this video I see. Ridicule (peer pressure) is a key tool used by cults to control individuals and to keep them in line by suppressing their individuality. Anon does not do this.
The death of the ego is a goal of cults like scientology. Free Individuals have strong egos. They are self directed. Anon does not oppose the ego.
Shouting and profanity are tools used by the cult to control members. Anon do not do this.
No one is forcing you to post your irrelevancies
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Anonranger, if you met an individual who was impervious to all of these tactics used by the cult to control members; what desperate measures would you resort to to suppress him? Just how far would you go to impose your own sense of rightous thought and behavior?
Would you put on brown shirts and beat him with slogans? Would you shout profanities, spit in his face, and make him wear a star of david arm band? Would you try to exterminate him?
Whose Ubermensch are you about?
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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I question the honesty and integrity of anyone who claims to speak for Anon; to "be" Anon.
We are all Anonymous. There is strength in this; yet it has limitations. This fact explicitly prohibits anyone from setting themselves up as tin pot dictator or arbiter of correct thought, speech, and action.
Get down off your high horse, self appointed Marshall of the Internets. The more forceful and shrill you become the more you exhibit what you claim to oppose; hypocracy, cruelty, and moral defect.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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These thoughts and actions of yours; this righteous and indignant attitude and the desperate willingness to resort to any measure to assert dominance are classic symptoms of the delusion that is trying to apply the Ubermensch ideology in a social or political context. That was Hitler's folly. It was Hubbard's folly. And, this is your folly.
There is no Ubermensch, only individual human beings. And, yes, each and every individual matters!
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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As much as individuals matter, so do ideas. Ideas matter whether they are popularly held or not; whether they are fashionable or not; whether they are doctrine or heresy. Ideas matter whether you like them or not.
Why? Because there can be no liberty without a free marketplace of ideas. This is a core belief in our way of life. Yet your behavior is at odds with this. This is the behavior of a fanatic.
What kind of self respecting son of liberty would bow down to such tyrannical capriciousness?
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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what matters more to you meme, ideas or truth?
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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laladiel, "ideas or truth". This is a false choice. I appreciate truth and beauty. I know truth and beauty through the lense of ideas.
Your question is like asking whether I prefer my eyes to sunlight. This is a senseless question.
Man by his very nature desires to know, to know as in root causes -- Aristotle.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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that is not really an answer.there are such things as "bad ideas" such as scientology was a bad idea,can you name a truth that is bad?you had the idea you were right on some things, even after the truth was braught forth.you said before the nazis, there were no groups like them, a few were named, and you still held onto the idea you were right.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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laladiel, Ideas are value neutral in and of themselves. Thus there are no inherently good or bad ideas.
There are ideas that when applied produce outcomes which can be viewed as good or bad (desireable or undesireable).
I don't know what a "nazi like group" is. This term is undefined and undefineable (and thus meaningless). Therefore, I cannot consider evidence about such supposed groups.
The evidence of the pre-existence of such groups was by assertion and innuendo, and thus not credible.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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laladiel, cont... No evidence has been offered to support the theory that the Nazi's are of a kind with some pre-existing group. That Monarchists supported the party does not make them adherents or precursors. That argument is not logically valid.
This theory may or may not have validity. I have no way of knowing as it is not defined and has apparently not been explored by any Historian. But if you point me to a book on this theory I will go and read it.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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i never said monarchists, if your going to try and discredit my statment, then go by it. point out how i was wrong using the group i said.
as for things that explored what im saying, read any history book.i told you about this history of the group.or you can use your own source of info, wiki.
laladiel 3 years ago 5
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laladiel, Mollie referenced Monarchists, and that was the only reference that made sense on any level. I believe you referenced the teletubbies. But we all know that the television was not deployed until after WWII.
I interpret your refusal to provide a reference to a book on this theory of yours to be an admission that you are engaged in a disinformation campaign.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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wow, did you just come up with that?you should really hire someone to come up with better lines for you.i did did offer a refrence, but i guess i overestimated you on that. i thought you would recall something you complained about.
group, Emperial Japan,refrences rape of nanking, highschool history books, history books about emperial japan from around 1860-1945, or as stated in the other post, you can use the refrence you claimed yourself, wiki.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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the meaning is self explanitry if you gave it less then half second of thought.
nazi like group = a group like the nazis.i dont know how much more simple i can make it.nazism was a fascist form of government that tryed to eliminate people it seen as inferier.i pointed out pre-1900 groups that fit this to a T.pointed them out to you, and gave you dates. tell me, eating a puffed up blow fish, good or bad idea?
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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laladiel, really nazi like is like a nazi. You make it sound so simple. But the word fascism was invented to describe the National Socialists; therefore no fascists could exist before the party was founded. There is no need to look further because this critical condition cannot be met by any party prior to 1919.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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you didnt look at your history books, did you?Emperial Japan was a fascist government, Italy under Mussalini was fascist.oh, and Japan was fascist before 1919.well, before 1900 for that matter, so try again.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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laladiel, Imperial Japan invented fascism before 1900? First I heard of it. What book did you read that in? Who invented it?
This is almost as good as the old Bat Boy and Alien Baby articles in The Globe at the grocery store.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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now, unless you have something better to say, im going to bed, and tomorrow, after i try to find that post, im getting back on target, you have destracted me enough and im done. pointing out your errors has taken up enough of my time.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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laladiel, good. I look forward to hearing what you have to say about this video instead of all these nit picky non issues. Can the distraction master become the target master? Tune in tomorrow.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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"But the word fascism was invented to describe the National Socialists;"
Like always ... you are wrong! The word "fascism" comes from the latin word "fasces" (pl. "fasci"). It describes a bundle of rods, carried before in ancient Rome from magistrates as an emblem of authority. Later the bundle of rods became the official symbol of the italian movement led by Mussolini. So the word "fascism" was "invented" for Mussolini and not for the National Socialists.
mollie2810 3 years ago 7
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But even if it was ... as proven in the root of the word fascism (fasces = bundle of rods), fascism originally only means a bundle of people and so even if this word didn't exist before there were other bundles of people who did the same things as the later fascists.
mollie2810 3 years ago 6
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Mollie, the existence of a Latin root does not indicate when a word was couned in English or German or Italian, and certainly not in Japanese. There are several hundred Latin roots, but your fantasy that this says anything about when a word was coined is fantasy. Connotation and Denotation are all about usage and only sometimes reflected by word roots.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
As already explained, but of course must be repeated for you: The root of the word "fascism" links to the "bundle of rods" which was the symbol of the movement of Mussolini. Sloooowly: Mussolini uses bundle of rods as symbol, bundle of rods called "fasces", Mussolini people called "fascists" because use bundle of rods called "fasces". Get it now?
mollie2810 3 years ago 7
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Mollie, yes you have repeated the same irrelevancy because there is no connection between your little word root lesson and laldiel's thesis. This is called distraction through repetition.
What you need to establish to support laladiel's theory is that this modern word was used before 1900 in Japan. You have not done that. You are off your own topic.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Mollie, So Mussolini was Japanese and the term was coined before 1900?
MemeAnon 3 years ago
Meme: "But the word fascism was invented to describe the National Socialists;" <--
Like always ... you are wrong! The word "fascism" comes from the latin word "fasces" (pl. "fasci"). It describes a bundle of rods, carried before in ancient Rome from magistrates as an emblem of authority. Later the bundle of rods became the official symbol of the italian movement led by Mussolini. So the word "fascism" was "invented" for Mussolini and not for the National Socialists.
mollie2810 3 years ago 6
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pointing out someone's mistakes makes them hitler?do you have anything to back up the argument?if not, i believe godwin's law would apply right now.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
NOWHERE is anyone called hitler or Nazi, in fact the ALL the swazi you see are ALL provided by Scientology.
There is no mistake, believe what you want. Fact is Homo Novis is a master race, a simple parallel of fascism is what is being drawn.
Your conscience is showing again, you wear it well.
You want an example of Godwins -- See what happened when Ursula Caberta came to the US. (Hubbard never approved Godwin anyway)
/watch?v=4EYS7SpFTEI
know this: We've only begun.
Enjoy it.
LRonHu88ard 3 years ago
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in an earlier statment, meme had called someone a nazi for pointing out mistakes, thats what i was pointing godwins law out for. i agree, homo novus is hubbards made up "master race" nor did i dispute scientology could easily be matched with the nazis as thunderf00t had done before. im not sure why my comment wasnt right under that one, for some reason, my comments are munched up insted of under what their replying to.
laladiel 3 years ago 4
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laladiel, I once called my stepfather Hitler, but I most assuredly did not call anyone a Nazi here, even you. ;-) You can't seriously have interpreted anything like that from what I said can you?
Please point out this reference, and I will offer appropriate apologies or corrections; but if you can't then I request the same from you.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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i'll try to find it for you after i get some rest.far to many posts to go through this late at night.
laladiel 3 years ago 2
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here are just some of meme calling people nazis.
1 to ranger."All of your tactics were practiced by the Nazi propagandists."
2 to mollie "So The British Empire was full of Nazis."
3 to mollie "Mollie, what about the cult of the Ubermensch that you belong to?"
4 about Neitzsche "Without Nietzsche's Ubermensch Nazism would have been forgotten and abandoned."
ready to say your sorry now meme?you did say you would if i could point out where.
laladiel 3 years ago 4
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laladiel, this is patently absurd and these quotes are out of context.
1. This is true.
2. This is the logical conclusion of her line of reasoning. This is called reductio ad absurdam, or reducing an argument to it's logical and absurd conclusion.
4. Mollie is a self avowed fan of Nietzsche's work and argues that his Ubermensch is different from the Nazis, and is likewise different from what other's meant by the term. This is a valid question.
5. Without Nietzsche, Mein Kampf could not exist.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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seems you cant tell the truth. you have called people nazi's, said if someone could point out where you would say you were sorry and cant do that.also, Neitzsche didnt write mein kapf so your wrong there, also, it looks like you cant count either.
laladiel 3 years ago 2
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laladiel, pathetic troll is pathetic.
If you cannot navigate metaphors, similes, analogies, and reduction to absurdity, then you should not be pretending to read what you cannot comprehend. These lies smell like OSA to me.
Did I say that Nietzsche wrote Mein Kampf? NO OSA troll.
The thesis (which I did not originate) is that Nietzsche's use of extremely aggressive language, and his popularization of the Ubermensch made Hitler's Mein Kampf possible. Hitler even used Nietzsche's language.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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laladiel cont... I am waiting for your apology for slandering me. Someday when you blow the cult you might be able to do so. I will be waiting.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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i have shown where you called people nazi, you cant handle proof, not my fault scientology warped your mind so badly.you said show proof and you would say your sorry.i showed you proof so you have some apologizing to do.
laladiel 3 years ago 4
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i know your pathetic meme, you dont have to spell it out so openly. you said, that without Neitzsche, mein kampf would not have been made, i say thats not true because he was not the one who wrote it.hitler wrote it. so you are wrong there, you have called people nazi's, and promised to say you were sorry for it, but now refuse. you make claims about people being in osa when you are the one using their tactics.ahh, you have been found out and trying to shift attention, right meme?
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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"laladiel, pathetic troll is pathetic."
Hey, MemeScilon. You learned a little bit anon speak. That's nice.
mollie2810 3 years ago 5
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also, if you looked over the post, when Ranger said it might be good to hold off on this discussion till after scientology was finished, a few of us agreed that was a good idea, but meme kept at it.
laladiel 3 years ago 2
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laladiel, I do not take orders from Anonranger and neither should you. He essentially put forth the argument that any meaningful discussion was boring to him, not suited to this venue, and that I should shut up. Then he went on to assert that he spoke for Anon. I have only one word to say to that, "Nuts".
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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i take no orders from anyone, i just thought he had a good idea about staying on target with scientology, but you keep at it trying to destrat from the main fight.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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"He essentially put forth the argument that any meaningful discussion was boring to him,"
First it' not possible to have a meaningful discussion when you are around and second AnonRanGer just prefers to go against the cult than other anons. Nothing that you like obviously.
mollie2810 3 years ago 8
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laladiel, you need to work on your subtle reasoning skills. Pointing out that someone engages in the same folly as onther person did is not equating them. It is comparing them or pointing out a similarity in specific behavior.
No one is calling anyone Hitler here. But I think you know that. Such willful illiteracy and impaired reasoning is beyond believability.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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you have a few times, claimed to speak for anonymous. just pointing that out.
laladiel 3 years ago 4
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one thing your missing, Anon is for freedom of speech, scientology is agenst it, so, Anon would be ok with profanity.you seem to have a problem with it though.Ranger is free to say what they like just as the rest of us are, that includes saying things that point out where you are wrong.
laladiel 3 years ago 4
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laladiel, Anon does not advocate profanity because in doing so they would be perceived as hostile; as attacking the CoS. Attacking is not a practical strategy because it hardens scilon reactivity and paints Anon as callous ass*oles. That does not help people inside the cult to see that life outside is possible or desireable.
Anonranger is free to express his own opinion, but not to set himself up as the voice of Anon as he has repeatedly attempted to do. No one speaks for all Anon. No one.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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reread your post. you try to speak for anon, then claim that its a wrong thing to do. also, its hard to be for freedom of speech while trying to block some of it, thats one of the reason most people i have spoken to are angry with scientology.
laladiel 3 years ago
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laladiel, I read my posts. I wrote them. I have never claimed any special or superior knowledge that would authorize me to speak as Anonymous. This is quite plainly not true.
It is hypocritical to claim to support free speech and then to try to silence people who don't agree with some pet theory. I entirely agree. That behavior does not work, clearly. Neither does accusing others of things that never happened.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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meme said
"laladiel, Anon does not advocate profanity because in doing so they would be perceived as hostile; as attacking the CoS. Attacking is not a practical strategy because it hardens scilon reactivity and paints Anon as callous ass*oles. That does not help people inside the cult to see that life outside is possible or desireable."
sure sounds like your trying to speak for them here.
laladiel 3 years ago 2
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laladiel, "Anon does not advocate profanity...". You do not need to decode or interpret my statement. It is a statement of fact based upon observation. It is phrased as an explanation not an instruction.
This is why I referenced the tactics of disinformation. No one could in good faith interpret my statement to mean that I regard my knowledge as superior, or that I might claim to the some sort of insane Alpha Anon.
You are exhibiting bad faith.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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i have seen a great many Anons using what you call "profanity". i didnt decode anything, im taking it for what it is, and there are many other instences where you have tryed to speak for anon. not just that one i pointed out.i can go through this board and show you many other times.you have asked this before, but im the kind of person who believes you shouldnt ask a person a question you would be unwilling to answer first yourself. what is your agenda?
laladiel 3 years ago 2
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laladiel, you have disinformation skills. Are you trying to demonstrate the LRH tactic "always attack never defend" or is this just plain old fair game? I have enough on my plate speaking for myself (and PigBoyMeme he can't type so good). I have never pretended to be the leader of Anon or to speak for them. I am not Anonranger. You are lying.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Nobody is attacking here except for you. Your have been proven wrong about nearly EVERYTHING you wrote. Do were wrong about the invention of the word "fascism", about the ghettos of the jews, about Nazi's that didn't came out of the blue in 1920 and what's maybe worst you have been wrong about South Park. You have been given names, years, evidence and we all were very patient to show you where you are wrong and to give you the right information.
mollie2810 3 years ago 8
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But you just keep going against us with your false statements which show lack of knowledge in every word. Your knowledge about the German History, the Italian history, Philosophy, Linguistic and South Park is miserable.
You try to turn and twist what we write to make us look like we are against free speech, but we are not. Anonymous is here to expose the crimes of the cult of $cientology. And obviously it's more important to you to attack anons and waste their time than to expose the evil cult.
mollie2810 3 years ago 7
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Mollie, Who is "us"? The topic at hand is the Imperial Japanese invention of fascism prior to 1900.
The critical piece is to demonstrate some use of this word prior to 1889. If you can't do that then laladiel's thesis is broken. You can't do that in Germany, Japan, Italy, or anywhere else or you would present the evidence.
It is not enough to nitpick details. If your main premise is without historical merit, then it is speculative history. Japanese fascism prior to 1900... evidence? Not.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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"The topic at hand is the Imperial Japanese invention of fascism prior to 1900."
See, that's the problem. The "topic" is the evil cult of Scientology and it's crimes. I thought you are an anon ... shouldn't you go against scilons instead of anons?
mollie2810 3 years ago 6
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Mollie, Indeed I go against the Ubermensch in whatever disguise he or in your case she come.
Sheeple cannot successfully advocate freedom.
You advocate sheeple mentality. Anon does not. Therefore you are not Anon. You thoughts and actions differ from those of LRH only in style, not substance.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
"Anon does not. Therefore you are not Anon. "
What the fuck do YOU know about Anonymous, failfag? Are you trying to EDUCATE people on what Anon is or is not when you obviously don't know SHIT about it?
Anonymous is a collective, a hive mind. An individual presents an idea to the group, and it either catches on or it doesn't (like for example your FAIL forced PigBoy meme shit). And you DEFINITELY need to leave your fucking ego at the door, period.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 4
And now YOUR preposterous ass decides who's Anonymous and who isn't? AN HERO NAO, FAILFAG.
You probably don't even know what that means.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 4
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Anonranger, if it walks and talks and acts like a fanboy for mind control, then it is a fanboy for mind control. If you want to be perceived differently, then change your behavior.
You have no right to piss on my freak flag. You are "the man". You probably don't know what that means. You probably don't know this phrase either: Die Gedanken Sind Frei. It translates as Thoughts Are Free. Deal with it control freak.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
The definition is very easy: Anonymous fights against the evil CULT of Scientology, not against other anons like you love to do.
mollie2810 3 years ago 8
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Anonranger, I am glad to hear that you are done attempting to suppress free thought and inquiry. Because you cannot suppress the free thought and free communication of free people. You cannot succeed in turning Anon into a cult where everyone's thoughts are identical. It is not going to happen.
The hive mind is a metaphor. Anon are not bees and do not mindlessly follow the dictates of megalomaniacs like LRH, or Hitler, or your little gang of three.
PigBoyMeme says oink to mind control.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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"Therefore you are not Anon."
I'm not anon because I would like to prefer to expose the evil cult of Scientology instead of reading your wrong statements about history? Yeah, that makes totally sense.
mollie2810 3 years ago 6
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more trying to talk for Anon.
laladiel 3 years ago 4
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laladiel, "more trying to talk for Anon."
When you start to behave like Anon, then I will begin to believe that you might be Anon.
When you behave like an OSA Troll, as you do and have, I will regard you as an OSA Troll dedicated to a disinformation campaign of distortion, distraction, confusion, and lies when these fail.
OSA Trolls often travel in packs, just like you.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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incase you havent noticed, i tryed to end this several times, you keep trying to keep it going, points to you trying to distract you pathetic little sockpuppet.
laladiel 3 years ago 3
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"OSA Trolls often travel in packs, just like you."
*lol* No, they don't because they don't know how to communicate. Just like you. *lol*
mollie2810 3 years ago 5
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Mollie, None of these piddling details are relevant to your premise put forth as an unsupported assertion. You still arrogantly refuse to provide any supporting reference for your main thesis. This refusal is tacit acknowledgment that your thesis is pure opinion and has never been written about by any Historian or Political Scientist because the facts do not support it.
I would reference William Shirer as one author who wrote about Nietzsche's work in relation to Nazism. You have nothing.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
Lol, you just ignore the important shit and keep right on debating and evading and distracting Anonymous from fighting Co$. WTF is wrong with you? What's your fucking POINT? HOW IS THIS HELPING THE CAUSE?
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 4
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Anonranger, great, so we have the whole gang of distractors here. What is this cause that prohibits the application of discernment and evidenciary rules? Isn't that what LRH did?
My point is that if you can present any pet theory as if it had historical merit and deny the historical and political history, then you become people of the lie. You become exactly what you claim to object to in the cult. This is the danger of the Ubermensch. You are demonstrating it quite clearly.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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"Anonranger, great, so we have the whole gang of distractors here."
YOU are the only one distracting. Again: HOW IS THIS HELPING OUR CAUSE?
You're keeping Anonymous from actually dealing with Co$ AND you put people watching this to SLEEP and therefore make them less inclined to participate.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 6
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Anonranger, Let me rephrase my previous answer to your question. I can repeat this phrase as often as you can repeat you contentions that Anon are incapable of free thought, have the attention spans of fleas, and are incapable of processing anything but party slogans.
Sheeple cannot convincingly advocate liberty.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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HOW IS THIS HELPING ANONYMOUS' CAUSE?
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 4
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Anonranger, Sheeple cannot convincingly advocate liberty.
You advocate sheeple mentality. Anon does not. Therefore you are not Anon.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Anonranger, this is the important point: in order to be successful Anon must be flexible and creative. In order to be flexible and creative Anon must be open to understanding the cult's history and origins.
You oppose any exploration of any history or the origins of anything. You oppose thought, not just free thought. You embody the spirit of cultic thought suppression. Therefore you are not Anon. You oppose the understanding which is a necessary precondition for flexible and creative action.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Write a fucking essay about it, post it on a website and link to it, but stop the wandering pseudo-intellectual preacher shit. Nobody wants to have discussions forced on them.
And stick the fucking accusations up your preposterous ass. Ask around if you think I'm not Anon, you dumb fuck. No bullshit you spout can change the fact that I AM indeed Anonymous and have actually DONE something about Co$ instead of just DEBATING it.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 5
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And we already ARE creative and flexible, you retard.
Lecture people who give a shit.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 4
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Anonranger, Anon is creative and flexible by virtue of their individuality. You oppose individuality, free inquiry, and free thought. Therefore you oppose Anon.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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Are you fucking out of your mind, failfag? How peculiar - I oppose your preposterous ass and you accuse me of not being Anon, trying to exclude me and declare who's Anon and who's not, thereby doing the same thing you accuse ME of. Pathetic.
And you always attack and never defend - sounds like a familiar M.O. I've pwned faggots like you before - and all of them were $cilons. Hm...
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 5
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Anonranger, I see you still have nothing to say about this video.
I accuse you of nothing. I state that your behavior is self serving, arrogant, and that you are an ill tempered, intollerant, rabid opponent of free thought. You and your clan exhibit disinformation techniques reminiscent of classic OSA strategy.
Your veiled threats and foul language remind me of my confrontations with numerous OSA trolls.
Your actions do not accord with Anon's practices or intentions. You are Anti-Anon.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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"Your actions do not accord with Anon's practices or intentions."
But distracting Anonymous from their goal by trying to trap them in discussions about fascism in Japan prior to 1900 AND TRYING TO PROVOKE INFIGHTING is totally Anon's intention. M-hm.
"You are Anti-Anon."
Yeah, sure I am... that's why I want to get people to FIGHT CO$ instead of listening to your bullshit.
Always attack, never defend, eh, MemeOSA?
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 7
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Im quite amazed! this is a week long arguement almost 360 comments long. At what point do people call it a day. There's no winning here just flogging dead hourses!
Not all anons are the same! The vast majority of us are peace loveing and only want to do the right thing.
Its great that all people think different and can express their views but at what point does expressing your views become nothing more than shouting at the moon?
NicNasty1981 3 years ago 8
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My guess is right around the point when you want to discuss fascism in Japan before 1900. ^^
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 5
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Don't get me wrong, I'm aware of Anonymous' variety in character, but I'm still gonna flame anyone who's talking shit.
I don't oppose memeAnons attempts to debate, but if he wants to do that, he should learn to admit when he's wrong, and not get butthurt if someone disapproves.
I've never seen him debate $CILONS, btw... and I get around a lot.
But well, looks like he gave up, anyways, so fuck it.
Thanks for dropping by and throwing a bit of sense at us, btw.
AnonRanGER01 3 years ago 6
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NicNasty1981, I too am amazed at the lengths that will be gone to to defend the memories of Nietzsche and LRH. Birds of a feather flock together.
I cannot reconcile the values and language used by this team of 3 with the goals and means of Anon, therefore I must conclude that these folks are not Anon but are OSA operatives. The key is in the way that they speak for each other, just like xemutv. Xemutv was a group project by a gang of folks claiming to be scientologists, freezoners, narcanoners.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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NicNasty1981, the tactics deployed by these folks are transparent and classic OSA disinformation techniques. They attack this video by attacking it's underlying analogy. The objective is to dissociate Nietzsche's body of work from LRH's by denying the link between Nietzsche's work and the National Socialists.
But that link is critical to understanding what this video means, and that is why these folks can't tolerate it. William L. Shirer documented these critical links as have many others.
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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NicNasty1981, you will find that nowhere in this long string have these folks referenced the work of any Historian or Political Scientist. In response to my reference to William Shirer they are mute. Their priority is to suppress the link between Nietzsche's work and the CoS by way of Hitler and LRH by whatever means necessary...
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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NicNasty1981, cont...
Shirer was a correspondent in Europe during the years of Nazi ascendency. He wrote the following books among others:
Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich
Berlin Diary: The Journal of a Foreign Correspondent, 1934-1941
The Nightmare Years 1930-1940
The rise and fall of Adolf Hitler
It is shocking but true that Germans born after the war know nearly nothing about that war or the rise of nazism. They call it "the dark time". It is a taboo topic in Germany...
MemeAnon 3 years ago
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NicNasty1981, cont... The Germans have never engaged in a national discussion of the topic, and do not include it as part of the curriculum in Gymnasium. This precludes any meaningful inclusive public discussion or the formation of a consensus on the causes of the rise of the radical ideology of Nietzsche's Ubermensch in Germany.
But the FaceTubes are not subject to German or Scilon Taboos; and these topics are open for discussion regardless of anyone's pet agenda...
MemeAnon 3 years ago