Ron Paul - Nashville Rally - Part 4 - 10/06/07

[SaintWicked721]

I was there and filmed the whole thing and burned it to dvd. If you want a copy, let me know. myspacedotcom/saintwicked

[jaileendavid]

do you people really think this guy is ever going to be our president,the news doesnt even know who this guy is

[jbutte]

Or could it be that the news doesn't want us to know who this guy is? ;)

[wowdavidp1]

Vote for the guy with two first names!!

Go Ron Paul

[jennpeace303]

i would like to see rand paul run for president some time

[hthglllkhgjg]

watch money masters on google video

[anyusmoon1]

Can you recall EVER a candidate this wise, taking this much time and effort to educate the American public on WHY he stands for what he does, why the founders intended to limit themselves in their new roles?

This IS a REVOLUTION my friends. We are moving toward a complete return of power to the people.

[ProspectorSam]

No, this is unprecedented, and the reaction of the people just keeps building. This is a day I didn't imagine was possible this soon, but here it is.

We must do this.

RP 08 FTW

[anyusmoon1]

What a SORRY excuse for a debate. The dishonesty 'in the audience' was palpable. Do you EVER recall a rep candidate saying to a rep audience 'I stand for the constitution, limited gov, low taxes and protection of borders' and getting BOOED? Bullshit. And if you know me at all I seldom cuss online (in person like a truck driver).

[alineinc99]

Go Ron Paul 08

[Zodiaccaidoz]

Look at the crowd! And yet CNN insists that Ron Paul has only 2% of the poll numbers.

[rc5150rc]

I love Ron Paul! Revolution!!!

[HatredGlory]

If we went back to Gold and Silver like he was hinting at, our Nation would go into Poverty so fast it wouldn't even be funny. We'd be a third world country over night, and guess what, the people who had all the money before the National Bank is shut down will STILL have control over the country.

[Keesvanloomacklin]

You don't understand. Read the book the Creature From Jekyll Island. The gold would be audited and returned from the Fed.

[WithGLEEOwner]

No ... you don't understand. There is not enough gold in the world to serve as a base for a media of exchange (assuming it needed a base ... which it does not). If you took all the gold and divided by all the people you get less than an ounce per person. That's less than $800 per person. I've read "The Creature From Jekyll Island".

[Keesvanloomacklin]

Sure there is enough gold AND silver. There are other precious metals too. Not every coin has to be 100%gold. A dollar is a measurement of weight--so half dollar quarter dollar, etc. As far as supply--the value will increase with less supply

[WithGLEEOwner]

Read your history. Media of exchange work very poorly with multiple bases. Can we take this offline?

[WithGLEEOwner]

We were never really on a gold and silver base. Only a small part of the economy was. And this for the same reason ... there wasn't enough of the stuff. The central banks have been selling their gold reserves for about 10 years now following an agreed upon schedule. Who is buying?

[eecummingscsa]

hatredglory and withgleeowner;

you seem to be woefully misinformed on the gold, silver, bi-metallic, or any other commodity standard. i would like to suggest, if i may, that you stop trying to mislead and frighten people, and read; "The Case For Gold" by Ron Paul and Lewis Lehrman.

[WithGLEEOwner]

Your reply contains no substance. Were you disputing the number of people in the world or the amount of gold?

Divisibility is not the issue. If you're going to base a media of exchange on something of value, you need to have enough of that value. There is not anywhere near enough gold value in existence to be the basis for the current level of trade.

[eecummingscsa]

"Divisibility is not the issue"

au contraire. in any commodity standard, the value of that commodity "floats" against whatever thing you wish to buy. if gold is scarce, it only means that it will buy more. if half of the worlds gold were to be destroyed, the remaining gold would have twice the purchasing power as before. a given quantity of gold (silver, wheat, turnips, salt - any commodity) is "worth" whatever it will buy.

[WithGLEEOwner]

Correct. Supply and demand affect trading of the base commodity. That's a problem because supply and demand do not affect the media of exchange. Exchange media is affected only by trader's desire to trade. Media is only an intermediary promise. Forcing a media base artificially affects the value of the promise. The base/media ratio can't be arbitrarily dictated. The base is created through a trade (e.g. ore and labor gold). In the steady state, that trade defines the value of the base.

[eecummingscsa]

if gold were to be remonetized, do you think it would still have ~$800/oz. worth of purchasing power?

[WithGLEEOwner]

Say you "remonetized" gold to be $20,000/oz. That means you INFLATE the media of exchange by a factor of 50. Changes nothing. But as Ron Paul correctly states, those who get their hands on the new money first benefit. Those who get it last lose big. On average, there is no change.

[eecummingscsa]

i would have thought the fly in the ointment would have been strong deflationary pressures. if each banknote represented a specific quantity of gold - freely convertible to specie, and no fractional reserves - wouldn't thst cause the purchasing power of said note to trend upward?

[WithGLEEOwner]

This is really not a proper forum to educate you on how a media of exchange works and how it should be managed.

My initial point is clear and correct. Gold can not be used as a base for exchange media ... there's not enough of it.

My extended point is also clear but not widely understood. That is that a media of exchange needed (shouldn't) have a base but rather be governed by the equation:

DEFAULTS = INTEREST + INFLATION

[dcoates87]

I believe he mentioned silver also.

[WithGLEEOwner]

Mention anything you want ... gold, silver, platinum, oil. The principles are the same. Gold has been the classical choice because of its durability, effort to produce, dearth, paucity of other uses, etc. Applying a base to a media of exchange is for discipline. There are better ways to discipline the management of media.

[eecummingscsa]

my question (which you, not so deftly, evaded) was rhetorical. gold & silver = stable money. do you work for thompson or jiuliani? go peddle your snake-oil elsewhere.

[eecummingscsa]

WithGLEEOwner's ACCOUNT IS FOUR DAYS OLD! LOL, HE'S A RINGER! SHILL ALERT!

[WithGLEEOwner]

Just as you think gold as a base brings stability, you think a new account brings a ringer. You have very shallow methods of evaluation.

I am Todd Marshall of Plantersville, TX. Who are you?

[Keesvanloomacklin]

you are wrong. Gold and silver has to mined. It has to be found. It has to be minted. Not like computerized money or even paper.

[WithGLEEOwner]

Wrong about what? All bases require effort to obtain. The more effort, the better the base. The more useless, the better the base. That's the fallacy of the base. It generates lots of misguided effort. And even at that, it doesn't do what you intend it to do ... stabilize the media of exchange.

[WithGLEEOwner]

I will look into your reference. However, I suggest you turn on your brain rather than just regurgitating something you've seen on the Discovery channel or read on Mises.

[Radwar99]

RP08!

[Mandrik]

RP08!

[Revere1776]

For God's sake will someone please film these rallies with a tripod??!!

[Cantwetalk]

Where are all the comments? Why isn't there at least a hundred comments an hour? What's going on? Somethings missing.

[Cantwetalk]

Ron Paul is so real, It hurts.

[DrZarkloff]

I reminds me of how I'm doing air conditioning tutorial videos.

[gltskline]

This is the DAY! This is the TIME! This is the HOUR!!

Let it be known far and wide that American Patriots came together in the year 2007, to unite the citizens and statesmen of the Republic of the United States of America. They came with the purpose of maintaining our Nation's sovereignty, to reinstate our constitutional and Natural rights and free the American people from institutional servitude.

Vote Ron Paul in 2008! America's hope.

[Radwar99]

Ron Paul must really get on your nerves, Zile77 to spend so much energy on someone you don't support. Your lame tactics won't work, but nice try.

[batman75757]

Your just another christian retard zie , read few books other than the fiction your curently reading

[momerath42]

Zile: I also doubt Clinton will get the nomination. Obama has a lot more popular support (Gallop is bullshit).

[Zile77]

Waste of Money and space. Paul is just a cranky old dude with old ideas and noting for the future. If you think Bush is bad, you ain't seen nuttin' yet!

[Zile77]

Democrats love Ron Paul. The liberal media is giving him plenty of free publicity, knowing full well he will divide the vote while sucking up money from the other candidates. Then at the right time, the libs will dump him like they did Howard Dean. Either way, Paul is being used by the left for their purpose of getting Hitlery in. Paul is too simple to see it.

[Zile77]

Ron Paul = Ross Perot = Party Splitter = Winner of the 2008 election, Hillary Clinton.

Nice work Paul.

[momerath42]

WTF Zile77- you're probably a troll, but in case you're actually that dumb or some idiot has just read your comment and thought it made sense: Ross Perot ran as a 3rd party. Ron Paul has repeatedly stated he will *NOT*! The effort to get him elected is all directed at the primaries. If another republican gets the nomination the democrats will win anyway because the other republicans are *obvious* business-as-usual crooks.

[radiofriendly]

Please register as Republican so you can Vote for Ron Paul---you must do it before 0ct 12th!

[Fragem420]

This is the only politician speaking the truth on either party.

[WeHaftaTry]

Fragem420 -

That is incorrect. Have you ever heard Dennis Kucinich (attempting to impeach "Tricky Dick" Cheney)? Or Mike Gravel (who helped force an end to the military draft during the Vietnam War)?

[ugetsublue]

he is the only one who has the balls to speak the truth.

[WeHaftaTry]

ugetsublue -

Your claim is false. Have you ever heard Dennis Kucinich talk?(He is trying hard to stop war with Iran, attempting to impeach "Tricky Dick" Cheney, and more). Or what about Mike Gravel, who helped force an end to the military draft during the Vietnam War, and recently publicly stated that the U.S. military deaths in Iraq are "in vain"?

[ugetsublue]

yes dennis and mike are very cool, the powers that be picked h. clinton a long time ago, so why not give ron some love.

[WeHaftaTry]

ugetsublue -

If Rep. Paul ends up as the Republican nominee, and if both Rep. Kucinich & Mr. Gravel are out of the running, then it is very likely that I will vote for the Republican (for the first time in my life!) (^^)

[bukowski8]

Ron Paul is the man. Ron Paul in 2008!

[Radwar99]

WithGLEEOwner, are you for or against Ron Paul? You just keep bitching. I'm an Atheist and you don't see me going over the top about Dr. Paul's beliefs. He's not trying to convert anyone.

[WithGLEEOwner]

I am very much for Ron Paul ... and very much an atheist.

If there was another candidate that knew the value and guidance of the constitution without the irrationality and confusion of religion, I would be for him. The only thing Ron Paul has going for me is his strict support of the constitution.

Religion has no place in our government. Religion is a law unto itself and is in competition with our form of government.

You can't have wars without religion ... nothing to die for without it!

[alexrobes]

in most cases your correct. but the war we're in now is being fought for money, oil and greed. religion is just being used to justify it. i cant figure out what your trying to say, your so all over the place.  one comment your ragging on paul for being religious. the next your commending him for not confusing the constitution with the irrationality of religion.

[WithGLEEOwner]

We're in Iraq for Israel.

I'm not all over the place. I'm focused on the Constitution which is what Ron Paul is focused on.

I'm not ragging on Paul ... I'm advising him. Religion has no place in politics.

I don't commend him for not confusing the constitution with religion. He talks about god too much. There's no place for it in our government. It's people's personal place ... not government's.

[DaveIrie]

He doesn't talk about religion much at all, only the existence of god in the context of natural rights. If you think god = Zionism you're wrong, though you're right about why we're in Iraq. Paul is an old-line Christian & not a Zionist though so I don't think it's an issue.

[PDFlogic]

What a great crowd!

[WithGLEEOwner]

Ron Paul says money should be gold and silver. He needs to stop saying this. There is not nearly enough of the stuff to serve as a media of exchange or a reserve for such media.

He should teach that the governing equation for managing a media of exchange is:

DEFAULTS = INTEREST + INFLATION

A Constitutional amendment is needed requiring the federal government to control the media of exchange and observe this formula so INFLATION fluctuates around ZERO with minimum deviation.

[sanarkhos]

What a ridiculous statement. Gold is one of the most easily malleable and divisible elements on the table.

Your equation only makes sense in the fantasy world of perpetual fractional reserves and the printing press. Without fractional reserve banking, defaults are only a concern for those who loan money to banks, not depositors, and there would be no money contraction because there would be no money multiplier to begin with.

[WithGLEEOwner]

Divide gold by people and you come up with less than 1oz per person. Certainly not enough to back a media of exchange.

Media of exchange is nothing but a substitution for trade and makes trade enormously efficient. It requires no backing ... only discipline. People who demand backing merely have conceded that discipline is impossible.

It is not. If people understood, we would know as much about DEFAULTS as we do about INTEREST and INFLATION. We know nothing about DEFAULTS!

[alexrobes]

the whole reason this conversation started is becuase you were complaining about pauls religious background. but, i dont know what we're talking about now.

[WithGLEEOwner]

I bring up two pieces of advice to Paul. Stay away from religion and stay away from gold and silver backed media of exchange. He's in our face with both.

Stay away from religion because it competes with the Constitution and has no place in our government.

Stay away from gold and silver backed exchange media because there's not enough to back our (the world's) level of trade.

Lighten up!

[DaveIrie]

I don't understand what we're supposed to use for money then, do you suggest we keep the fiat system as it is? Would that be better?

[WithGLEEOwner]

Absolutely. It's all about keeping track of promises and not breaking them. Such a system is governed by the objective equation:

DEFAULTS = INTEREST + INFLATION

with the objective of maintaining INFLATION at zero and assessing INTEREST on those who DEFAULT.

It is really the system that we now have (at least once you remove the Federal Reserve [official counterfeiter] and the Federal Government [biggest DEFAULTER])

[DaveIrie]

Are we suggesting we keep the Federal Reserve, controlled by the Rothschilds & the rest of them? I mean yes they control much of the silver & gold assets too but they control everything! What can we do!

[WithGLEEOwner]

Absolutely not. They don't follow the equation:

DEFAULTS = INTEREST + INFLATION

What we can do is install a system that must follow the above equation and it must be totally open (i.e. every participant sees the DEFAULTS, the INTEREST, and the INFLATION). Nothing is hidden. In such a system, if there are no DEFAULTers (in your class of participants) INTEREST is zero (for your class). For all, INFLATION is zero.

[eecummingscsa]

"Divide gold by people and you come up with less than 1oz per person...not enough to back a media of exchange."

this is the central bankers argument. it's specious and easily refuted. gold & silver are nearly infinitely divisible. it's like saying there isn't enough paper, or ink, to back a medium of exchange. the only result of an economy growing faster than the supply of specie, is a deflationary trend. we don't need to "manage" the money supply with specie because it's self-regulating.

[Radwar99]

MY HERO!!!!

[celeron112]

VOTE 4 RON PAUL !!!!!!!

[shapshiftinglizard]

We may have to register republican to vote for him in some states. Just in case I am this one time, they may pull any tricks to keep people from voting Ron Paul.

[AlisonChaynz]

So many people have been yearning for a politician to deliver this message.

Revolution!!!!

[DevBlazed]

This man is the real deal.

[wafflehead666]

I was at this rally yesterday and Ron Paul was welcomed like a rock star. He's the only viable presidential candidate who isn't a Zionist toady and minion of the CFR.

[WeHaftaTry]

wafflehead666 -

Please don't believe the MSM's biased reporting & rhetoric concerning Rep. Dennis Kucinich - that he isn't "viable". The US media corporations want him to shut up, because he truly cares about improving our country & world - just like Rep. Paul does. Kucinich, besides running for President, is trying hard to stop war with Iran, attempting to impeach "Tricky Dick" Cheney, and more. He is a decent man with intelligence and courage.

[Back2WeThePeople]

Kucinich is a Gay Pride lover.

[WeHaftaTry]

Back2WeThePeople- So Kucinich supports the rights of homosexuals to live dignified lives - what's wrong with that? Sexual preference is not a conscious choice. Don't believe me? Then when did you DECIDE to be heterosexual? God/Mother Nature is partly responsible for our sexual preferences, due to the hormonal baths we undergo while in our mothers' wombs. (See Wikipedia's entry on "Biology and sexual orientation"). So if It/He helped create homosexuals, can we say homosexuality is wrong?

[Zile77]

Being gay is choice just as any other. NObody is born gay. Most gays are tricked into the sinful lifestyle by satan when they're in doubt about who they are. Once they cross that line, satan has their soul. Some make it back, and give up sinning to seek Christ, but unfortunately, most don't, and they end up in a bad way.

[DeadlyChinchilla]

Yes, being gay is a choice. So is the belief in a pathetic god that chooses to use scare-tactics to effect what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

No god, no satan, no souls, no heaven, no hell. It makes things SOOOO much less complicated.

[WeHaftaTry]

Zile77- You say that gays have lost their soul to Satan - apparently you have no homosexual friends. I hope you will be able to make some - then you may learn and grow enough as a human being to overcome being a homophobe. You may even apologize to them for your words. Did you look at the Wikipedia entry I suggested above? If you want to understand about why some people are gay, you must accept that there are numerous factors involved. Anyway, you need to read more than just the New Testament!

[ValhallaMusicGroup]

WeHaftaTry,

You're right, and I didn't mean to tar Kucinich with the CFR brush. I think he's a decent, sincere human being. I also quite like Mike Gravel. However, I feel Ron Paul's message cuts to the essence of the only path open to the US if it wishes to avoid destruction from within.

Well, there is another way -- it could Balkanise into a dozen or so smaller republics like the USSR did, which could reduce the problem of too much power concentrated into too few hands.

[WeHaftaTry]

ValhallaMusicGroup -

Wow! An interesting idea... As much as my heart remains in the U.S. (I now live abroad), I have begun to think that the collapse (hopefully as peaceful as possible!) of the U.S. is necessary for the general peace & welfare of our planet. (See William Blum's "Killing Hope" book, or others by him, Chomsky, et al).

[WithGLEEOwner]

Great message ... but I wish he'd live religion out of it. The Constitution doesn't have religion in it. One corruption of the Constitution has been appending "so help me God" to the president's oath. It's not there. He should call attention to that.

[mithra4096]

The man is religious himself by choice, but if you accept the premise of his message you won't feel threatened by that. He is free; you are free. You shouldn't be concerned whether he believes in God or prays; his only concern for you is for your right to choose, not to impose.

[alexrobes]

im not religious at all. but i understand that 95 percent of the world is somewhat religious and you cant bring all those people together without talking alittle about religion. ive accepted that i have to live with other peoples beliefs. oh yeah. and the constitution was written by very religious people.

[WithGLEEOwner]

I hope he wins so I can see him not say "so help me god" when he takes the oath.

Re the constitution written by the religious: That is irrelevant (and largely untrue). They kept religion out of the Constitution and Ron Paul should also keep it out of his campaign.

[alexrobes]

if he keeps religion entirely out of his campaign his following will shrink emencely. he's a great candidate becuase he can unite the left and the right. and why should he censor himself? he's a religious person, why shouldn't he talk about it?  and did you know he's 100% pro life. and has written a bill that defines life as beggining at conception. thats the issue that still has potential to divide.

[WithGLEEOwner]

Ron Paul says government should obey the constitution. He's running for government. He's religious ... but that's not government. He's against abortion ... but that's not government. The constitution defines the government he's running for. His appeal is his adherence to that. The more he panders for votes the more he compromises his appeal.

[alexrobes]

he's not pandering for votes. he's saying what he truely feels. and letting the people decide if he's right for the job. and I think thats what every candidate should do, be honest about themselves and what they would actually do if they were president. and if you dont want to vote for him you dont have to. i wish i could get a straight answer out of hillary or obama.

[WithGLEEOwner]

Your words:

If he keeps religion entirely out of his campaign his following will shrink emencely.

That's pandering ... even if he's religious. It's lying if he's not. Regardless, it has nothing to do with his qualification for the office he seeks. The President is the administrator of all the people ... not just the religions ones. His religious beliefs are irrelevant and should be kept to himself in this instance.

[veniceboy72]

Alexrobes: The other candidates aren't allowed to answer unless they look at poll data and their high dollar pollsters!

[WeHaftaTry]

veniceboy72 -

Your claim may be true for the other Republican candidates. However, Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are running honest, relatively inexpensive campaigns as Democrats. Kucinich refuses corporate donations, as he won't be a corporate whore. Gravel may do the same, I don't know. So please don't paint ALL candidates with the same brush. Thanks.

[veniceboy72]

I agree WeHaftaTry. I stand corrected.

[veniceboy72]

WithGLEEOwner: You are asking RP to leave it out of it because it doesn't suit you. The reason that many are drawn to him is the fact that he respects the individual rights of all. If you're religious/spiritual great, if you're not great. There's room for all of us, right?

You are asking him to be something he is not. We support him for who he is!

[straywolf77]

Notice how the good doctor doesn't need a pre-prepared speech. He MEANS WHAT HE SAYS!

FREEDOM!!!

Go Ron, GO!!!!

[Saladinsmith]

Only 2% of poll numbers eh? Freedom and Liberty has 100% in the polls! GO DR. PAUL!

[pierce977]

Great rally for a great man. One thing we must remember though, he can't win by people just saying they support him. We need to actually get out and VOTE for him. Otherwise we can look forward to a lifetime of more of the same from Rep's/Dem's. He may be our last chance.

[TheEvilDetector]

I am a long time Ron Paul supporter. Sometimes I have to really stop and think for a while, because when you really understand what he is saying, you realise that years and years and years of big brother brainwashing is peeling away in your brain and that feeling is exciting and at the same time can be frightening, because at times you can doubt whether you are capable of living in a truly free society. :)

[TheEvilDetector]

This is by no means a bad thing, its just a radical departure of what most people are comfortable with or used to. Sadly, a lot of people need to be led, since this is what they are used to.

[TheEvilDetector]

Truly free society such as Ron Paul advocates would be the greatest society in the history if humankind, the progress of the cultural, scientific, artistic and other spheres of such a society would be blinding in their pace. US would be unstoppable as a leading nation in this world (for all the right reasons this time).

[TheEvilDetector]

This is history in the making. Make no mistake, they will write history books about this, and all the supporters will be telling their children about this historic struggle, no matter the outcome.

[wildflower420]

Watch ALL of these videos. It gets better and better!

[Radwar99]

Please don't forget to rate!

[asands84]

It was an awesome speech.

[cac1963]

I agree! Totally fresh, energetic delivery!

[Cmofo2]

This is one of the best Ron Paul speeches yet! The message is so good...