What if they're holding it in a way, such that, if you wrap their right arm, it turns out that their left arm is actually the one holding the gun, or vice versa? Or such a way that it's easy to pass from one hand to another (a layman might not always use the "standard/correct" gun grip). And even if they weren't, they may just naturally switch hands instinctively
@theguyi26 It works either way, either hand, and if the switch ws to happen it would have to be extremely quick, and done under stress, and unlikely as body position from the intital jerk on the grab does provide a nice off balancing of attacker. Thanks for your comment!
@thefitnessonetrainer I saw a similar video where they punched the hand while holding the arm in order for him to release the gun what is your take on that
If anyone liked this, I strongly suggest looking into Aikido. It is a martial art where fluid movements and center of balance to put other off theirs is key. We did movements like this over and over with the 'attacker' using a wooden knife or sword, so theer was more a thrusting mostin with the weapon, but the idea is the same. I can attest to the effectiveness of this.
@AbsoluteMenech Not true...The timing at which the disarm is attempted, and the concern he has for losing his weapon will far outweigh any thoughts of trying to punch. either way, would rather be punched that shot...And of course this is an absolute last resort move. I will clarify this is a later video for you. Thank you for the feedback.
@adamp2574 We do have a point of no return zone where it is obvious you try nothing. A close range attacker is trying to be inconspicuous, and not draw attention to himself. We would hand over what he wanted, but if we sense the intent to shoot, better than to act than to do nothing. As he is farther away, common practice is to throw your wallet away so he goes after it, so you can run! Thanks for the question!
There is no need to slow it down, you can see the exact movements just fine. If the speed is to fast to grasp, I would not recommend you try this as it requires quick thinking and action.
@TheFitnessonetrainer what should we do of the class we are assigned in did the wrong way of grabbing the gun (the first one you showed)? i mean Hypothetically, i'm new in the class and haven't encountered gum disarm yet but what if isn't updated? its not like we can say to the instructors "Your wrong."
@broodm It does not mean that it is "wrong" per say, I need to be more careful about how I word that. it is more what is most practical. This is directly how it is taught by the IKI, directly from Israel. We were explained that the other way is risky, even though we disagreed at first. To answer your question, be respectful and present scenarios to the Instructor if you have a question. Like, What do you do if he pulls it away? Or what happens if he steps to the side? I hope that helps
One thing I was wondering: when you execute the first grip and get control of the attacker's gun arm, what's stopping their other arm from getting a switchblade and putting it to your throat?
I know that, ideally, the disarm takes under a second, but are there any measures to take to keep your side protected?
@ApostateZero we believe his concern over having weapon removed and used against him overrides any other measures he could take. the timing to reach for the weapon would be minimal, by them we hope he would be handled. Practice, speed and ferocious execution will all help with this concern.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but another problem you didnt mention with grabbing the gun is when the gun is fired the slide will fuck your hand up.
@blablahism Agreed that is best to do what they say. But in the event of no escape and evil intentions, i will attempt something rather that nothing. Practice under stress with live airsoft and paintball weapons gives us a good chance of minimizing killing damage to the point of survival. that is all we are after here. Agree with you, but we need to be able to act in the event escape is not an option.
@JohannesenBergur thats funny! In actual practice we do not hand the gun back to him, we actually clear and get out of there...Next video I better practice what I preach! Thanks for the comment!
I really like this defense and presentation, good job. One thing you didn't mention that always bugged me about the first technique of the slide/dust cover grab is the front site, if the gun goes off the front site and slide is going to trash your hand.
@julietfiege Our female students practice this disarm the same way...The position of the wrist is weak when roatated this way, and the barrell does give us some good leverage. Like everyone, we hope we never have to use it, but in full contact simulation it has worked well for both male and female. thanks for your comment!
I learned I similar technique against knives, but when you wrap the arm you kick your legs out to the side, pull up on his arm and plant his face into the ground with your weight landing on top of him. In this case you don't have to worry about stray bullets though.
Great video. It would be cool to see a simulated mugging with a paintball pistol, just to see what happens if he manages to squeeze one off while you're reaching for it.
First of all excellent video. You are a very good instructor which is hard to find now adays. Question for you:
When taking control of the gun through the method you have shown in this video you would have to make sure that you take control of the hand that is actually holding the gun and not the supporting hand correct?
Ex: if your partner were to hold the gun with his left hand you would need to attack with your other hand as well correct?
I'm always looking to improve thanks for your time
@010neji Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your kind words. You are correct. The most important thing is to secure the weapon arm, and the preference is to attack left-right and right to left. Under pressure, all of these techniques work well if kept very simple. You could "mess up" and still make it work, though not as smoothly.
Important is to practice and remember to slightly change the angle of attack frequently, so that you do not always allow your partner to "accommodate" you .
@Molhedim The issue here is that his concentration must remian on the gun...If he loses that weapon and we are skilled with it, he is way worse trouble, so the idea of thinking he would be reactive enough to throw a punch while in the midst of being disarmed we feel is unlikely. I agree-Don't want to get punched! But I really dont want to be shot either...:) thanks for that comment!
@010neji well duh! I mean, if he's primarily holding it in his left hand and you grab his right hand, his left hand will still be holding the gun. You really can't picture how it would happen in your head?
@Agemrepus you actually attack the side with primary grip, which is obvious if he is directly in front of you. This helps eliminate that problem. The technique works the same, which is nice, for either hand. Less to remember. I appreciate that good eye watching my videos!
Ill have to say-good technique but I was taught the original technique and as the slide is grabbed you burst in with shoulder driving him of balance-also when you have the slide-his finger still is in the trigger guard and as u reach under to pull the wpn his finger is still inside and you can take him to the floor-i will try this method though and experiment-thanks Ari
@oldsgtmajusmc Great comment, and yes about the weapon finger, although we see it breaking before he gets there. (to the floor) Please let me know how it goes and if you need any help with it.
excellent- i have been doing the original shown for yeas- i am pretty fast at it -the repeated strike is good-but i am going to train your method and ecperiment- looks good to me -respectfylly Ari in clarksville Tn
Our choice, give him the wallet and get out of dodge, but when faced with imminent threat, some type of control hold is needed to set the stage for a counter attack. I need the arm holding weapon out of commission.
Please provide a link to a counter video demonstrating what is better, we are always interested in learning better ways to train.
thanks again for your comment. Its nice to see people using critical thinking when studying training materials. Great job!
@djs259 Thanks for the comment. Obviously, the adrenaline rush and aggressive component have to be addressed, and we do that with our FAST Defense training, and we also test these techniques (taught by Itay gil of the IDF) with air soft weapons to get as much realism as possible. This takeover hold of the arm offers a pretty good hold, and understand that I am not aggressively trying to hurt this guy, he is my partner.
There is really nothing fancy about it at all, if you look closely.
@TheFitnessonetrainer I'm not disparaging the concept, as it is definitely more useful than most others I've seen demonstrated, in which the instructor advocates grabbing the barrel of a semi-auto pistol in full battery (which *will* result in your hand being sliced when the gunman reacts by discharging his weapon), though I would suggest that anyone attempting this maneuver should be psychologically prepared for his attacker to unload round after deafening round as he attempts to strip it away
not to mention that if you grab the barrel of a pistol like other schools teach, the shooter still has control of the trigger...if he fires that gun while your hand is still on top, the slide's blow back could tear/clip your skin and cause a lot of pain. Such an awesome disarm
not to mention that if you grab the barrel of a pistol like other schools teach, the shooter still has control of the trigger...if he fires that gun while your hand is still on top, the slide's blow back could tear/clip your skin and cause a lot of pain.
I've watched and learned a few pistol disarms and by far this is one where I would find myself most comfortable in terms of body control and redirecting the line of fire.
thank you very much for this new instruction I use to do the one mentioned before but from now on i will apply this technique, my question is what about from behind? and regarding hostage situations?
@codavex Cant the guy punch him with his other arm? The other forms of disarms are very fast not all of them do the punching but i have seen some punching in Dennis Hanover's System.
@Mider999 Great question....The idea is good weapon control is paramount...Grabbing the barrel is an illusion of control, in the event he pulls back it is very difficult to hold onto. Not impossible, but risky enough for us to take a stronger control position in this case)
As far as punching, the disarm happens quickly, and a much larger concern for the attacker would be losing his weapon, so we feel that likely the reaction is attempting to jerk it back, which assists the disarm, not the punch.
very nice
rockhardzg 1 month ago
What if they're holding it in a way, such that, if you wrap their right arm, it turns out that their left arm is actually the one holding the gun, or vice versa? Or such a way that it's easy to pass from one hand to another (a layman might not always use the "standard/correct" gun grip). And even if they weren't, they may just naturally switch hands instinctively
theguyi26 1 month ago
@theguyi26 It works either way, either hand, and if the switch ws to happen it would have to be extremely quick, and done under stress, and unlikely as body position from the intital jerk on the grab does provide a nice off balancing of attacker. Thanks for your comment!
TheFitnessonetrainer 1 month ago
This is cool
TheLEGEND940 2 months ago
Searched this up after watching season 1 of burn notice :)
TheLazyBoyProduction 3 months ago
@thefitnessonetrainer I saw a similar video where they punched the hand while holding the arm in order for him to release the gun what is your take on that
g1205509 4 months ago
Good job! I god it!
manholecrusher 6 months ago
2:18 guy wearing black dress, his face was like "O rly?"
keykilicious 6 months ago
better way than movies told us...
Kame1288 6 months ago
I would really like to see some knife ones, they are more common in my area than guns
Nati0us 6 months ago
If anyone liked this, I strongly suggest looking into Aikido. It is a martial art where fluid movements and center of balance to put other off theirs is key. We did movements like this over and over with the 'attacker' using a wooden knife or sword, so theer was more a thrusting mostin with the weapon, but the idea is the same. I can attest to the effectiveness of this.
SpringSamurai 6 months ago
@SpringSamurai Thanks! many of the Krav techniques were of course derived from other Martial Arts, Aikido being one of them! thank you for that.
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
i like how one of the guys does Krav Maga and has a black turtleneck. Just sayin
TheDarkLettuce 6 months ago
This would be effective if your attacker has only one arm
AbsoluteMenech 6 months ago
@AbsoluteMenech Not true...The timing at which the disarm is attempted, and the concern he has for losing his weapon will far outweigh any thoughts of trying to punch. either way, would rather be punched that shot...And of course this is an absolute last resort move. I will clarify this is a later video for you. Thank you for the feedback.
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
kote oroshi
Zahgurim 6 months ago
The problem with the gun techniques is you just stay of of arms length with the gun. What do you do then?
adamp2574 6 months ago
@adamp2574 We do have a point of no return zone where it is obvious you try nothing. A close range attacker is trying to be inconspicuous, and not draw attention to himself. We would hand over what he wanted, but if we sense the intent to shoot, better than to act than to do nothing. As he is farther away, common practice is to throw your wallet away so he goes after it, so you can run! Thanks for the question!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
i want someone to rob me now.
almcken 6 months ago
that looks like an Aikido move to me! Long live Aikido!
signehojme 6 months ago
@signehojme Agreed. Very similair in nature!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
There is no need to slow it down, you can see the exact movements just fine. If the speed is to fast to grasp, I would not recommend you try this as it requires quick thinking and action.
vzondag 6 months ago
@vzondag Right. a Little repetition and stress training will fix that. good eye.
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago 4
@TheFitnessonetrainer what should we do of the class we are assigned in did the wrong way of grabbing the gun (the first one you showed)? i mean Hypothetically, i'm new in the class and haven't encountered gum disarm yet but what if isn't updated? its not like we can say to the instructors "Your wrong."
broodm 2 months ago
@broodm It does not mean that it is "wrong" per say, I need to be more careful about how I word that. it is more what is most practical. This is directly how it is taught by the IKI, directly from Israel. We were explained that the other way is risky, even though we disagreed at first. To answer your question, be respectful and present scenarios to the Instructor if you have a question. Like, What do you do if he pulls it away? Or what happens if he steps to the side? I hope that helps
TheFitnessonetrainer 2 months ago
Fantastic video!
One thing I was wondering: when you execute the first grip and get control of the attacker's gun arm, what's stopping their other arm from getting a switchblade and putting it to your throat?
I know that, ideally, the disarm takes under a second, but are there any measures to take to keep your side protected?
ApostateZero 6 months ago
@ApostateZero we believe his concern over having weapon removed and used against him overrides any other measures he could take. the timing to reach for the weapon would be minimal, by them we hope he would be handled. Practice, speed and ferocious execution will all help with this concern.
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
Owned
doomtomb3 6 months ago
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but another problem you didnt mention with grabbing the gun is when the gun is fired the slide will fuck your hand up.
Iaintrussian 6 months ago
(the guys in the black pulls the gun away )
MM OooooooWWWWoWWWWWoWWWWoWW haha lol
terry947 6 months ago
Disarms rarely work in real life. It is best to do whatever they say and use this as an absolute last resort.
blablahism 6 months ago
@blablahism Agreed that is best to do what they say. But in the event of no escape and evil intentions, i will attempt something rather that nothing. Practice under stress with live airsoft and paintball weapons gives us a good chance of minimizing killing damage to the point of survival. that is all we are after here. Agree with you, but we need to be able to act in the event escape is not an option.
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago 5
Just awesome.
JRCrowley 6 months ago
i've been doing karate and self defense classes for 12 years. very nice technique and commentary on what and what not to do
x3C40x 6 months ago
This only works if the mugger is dumb enough to put the gun less then a foot from your chest, which is unlikely.
derekrmeans 6 months ago
We learned something very similar in Hapki Yusul, can also apply this to forward knife lunges
mrKozmoz 6 months ago
are you a wizard?
zazenzach 6 months ago
Nice work for sure, hope it never happens.
MrRiggyRiggs 6 months ago
nice video looks exciting wish i would get mugged just to try it out :D
jpx7x 6 months ago
I can imagine two Krav Maga guys repeatingly disarming each other.
JohannesenBergur 6 months ago
@JohannesenBergur thats funny! In actual practice we do not hand the gun back to him, we actually clear and get out of there...Next video I better practice what I preach! Thanks for the comment!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
i think a better way is to get another gun yourself and point it at the other guy?
532956148 6 months ago
Any attacker that pulls a gun on you at striking distance deserves to be disarmed...
Trigunxox777 6 months ago
hehe, but you broke the plastic end of the gun :P no matter, awesome takedown :D
angonbing 6 months ago
I really like this defense and presentation, good job. One thing you didn't mention that always bugged me about the first technique of the slide/dust cover grab is the front site, if the gun goes off the front site and slide is going to trash your hand.
myownschadenfreude 6 months ago
I think step one is get rist control
abbaman 6 months ago 2
@abbaman We agree, but as we get out of line of fire. So many good ways to do this, and all good feedback is appreciated!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
and if i'm female...?
julietfiege 6 months ago
@julietfiege Our female students practice this disarm the same way...The position of the wrist is weak when roatated this way, and the barrell does give us some good leverage. Like everyone, we hope we never have to use it, but in full contact simulation it has worked well for both male and female. thanks for your comment!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
... just spent five minutes attempting to learn this move. by myself.
my roommate probably actually thinks i'm crazy.
KJBrancaccio 6 months ago
What I'm scared is if I disarm someone, and the cops come in unexpectedly, it'll look like I'm the suspect. They'll shoot me!
Sepharite 6 months ago
You should slow down the movements so that we can see precisely what is going on.
Mrdotcom1 6 months ago 25
@Mrdotcom1 Thanks for that advice...We will in a series of coming videos teaching more disarms...thank you!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago 22
@TheFitnessonetrainer This is great, but use one of those mirrors so we can see both angles!!!
h0twire15 6 months ago
wow, This fixes all the other problems the other disarm had. Not to mention very easy to execute
Deserex231 6 months ago
Krav maga just grab his balls
TheJizzWizrd 6 months ago
not as good as rex kwan do but almost as good
Hilariousity 6 months ago
I learned I similar technique against knives, but when you wrap the arm you kick your legs out to the side, pull up on his arm and plant his face into the ground with your weight landing on top of him. In this case you don't have to worry about stray bullets though.
IdiotCommenter 6 months ago
Wait? Couldn't the gunman just change hands? You only grabbed his right hand, not both of his hands.
motnahpraw37 6 months ago
This is basically an Aikido Kotegaeshi.
Improvisateur 6 months ago
one question, what about the attacker's hand? could he not easily attack you from behind?
andyyaukm 6 months ago
interesting, but what if the attacker is standing 2 or 3 feet further away as would be more likely
slgard 6 months ago
Great video. It would be cool to see a simulated mugging with a paintball pistol, just to see what happens if he manages to squeeze one off while you're reaching for it.
notaddictedable 6 months ago
First of all excellent video. You are a very good instructor which is hard to find now adays. Question for you:
When taking control of the gun through the method you have shown in this video you would have to make sure that you take control of the hand that is actually holding the gun and not the supporting hand correct?
Ex: if your partner were to hold the gun with his left hand you would need to attack with your other hand as well correct?
I'm always looking to improve thanks for your time
010neji 7 months ago 6
@010neji Thank you for your comments. I appreciate your kind words. You are correct. The most important thing is to secure the weapon arm, and the preference is to attack left-right and right to left. Under pressure, all of these techniques work well if kept very simple. You could "mess up" and still make it work, though not as smoothly.
Important is to practice and remember to slightly change the angle of attack frequently, so that you do not always allow your partner to "accommodate" you .
TheFitnessonetrainer 7 months ago 3
@TheFitnessonetrainer but his left hand is free 2:11 , he can punch your face really hard ....and might K.O. you if it hits well.
Molhedim 6 months ago
@Molhedim The issue here is that his concentration must remian on the gun...If he loses that weapon and we are skilled with it, he is way worse trouble, so the idea of thinking he would be reactive enough to throw a punch while in the midst of being disarmed we feel is unlikely. I agree-Don't want to get punched! But I really dont want to be shot either...:) thanks for that comment!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
@010neji well duh! I mean, if he's primarily holding it in his left hand and you grab his right hand, his left hand will still be holding the gun. You really can't picture how it would happen in your head?
Agemrepus 6 months ago
@Agemrepus you actually attack the side with primary grip, which is obvious if he is directly in front of you. This helps eliminate that problem. The technique works the same, which is nice, for either hand. Less to remember. I appreciate that good eye watching my videos!
TheFitnessonetrainer 6 months ago
Ill have to say-good technique but I was taught the original technique and as the slide is grabbed you burst in with shoulder driving him of balance-also when you have the slide-his finger still is in the trigger guard and as u reach under to pull the wpn his finger is still inside and you can take him to the floor-i will try this method though and experiment-thanks Ari
oldsgtmajusmc 8 months ago
@oldsgtmajusmc Great comment, and yes about the weapon finger, although we see it breaking before he gets there. (to the floor) Please let me know how it goes and if you need any help with it.
TheFitnessonetrainer 7 months ago
excellent- i have been doing the original shown for yeas- i am pretty fast at it -the repeated strike is good-but i am going to train your method and ecperiment- looks good to me -respectfylly Ari in clarksville Tn
oldsgtmajusmc 8 months ago
true!
KM4wars 8 months ago
Awesome awesome job
ticosexy22 9 months ago
@ticosexy22 Thank you so much. train hard and be safe.
TheFitnessonetrainer 7 months ago
Our choice, give him the wallet and get out of dodge, but when faced with imminent threat, some type of control hold is needed to set the stage for a counter attack. I need the arm holding weapon out of commission.
Please provide a link to a counter video demonstrating what is better, we are always interested in learning better ways to train.
thanks again for your comment. Its nice to see people using critical thinking when studying training materials. Great job!
TheFitnessonetrainer 9 months ago
@djs259 Thanks for the comment. Obviously, the adrenaline rush and aggressive component have to be addressed, and we do that with our FAST Defense training, and we also test these techniques (taught by Itay gil of the IDF) with air soft weapons to get as much realism as possible. This takeover hold of the arm offers a pretty good hold, and understand that I am not aggressively trying to hurt this guy, he is my partner.
There is really nothing fancy about it at all, if you look closely.
TheFitnessonetrainer 9 months ago
@TheFitnessonetrainer I'm not disparaging the concept, as it is definitely more useful than most others I've seen demonstrated, in which the instructor advocates grabbing the barrel of a semi-auto pistol in full battery (which *will* result in your hand being sliced when the gunman reacts by discharging his weapon), though I would suggest that anyone attempting this maneuver should be psychologically prepared for his attacker to unload round after deafening round as he attempts to strip it away
djs259 9 months ago
this is one of the best disarms I have seen!!
BCKASMMA 9 months ago 33
@BCKASMMA I agree!!!
Ryotphoenixwing 9 months ago
Very nice, thanks!
DrainExpress 9 months ago
not to mention that if you grab the barrel of a pistol like other schools teach, the shooter still has control of the trigger...if he fires that gun while your hand is still on top, the slide's blow back could tear/clip your skin and cause a lot of pain. Such an awesome disarm
starscream1122 10 months ago
not to mention that if you grab the barrel of a pistol like other schools teach, the shooter still has control of the trigger...if he fires that gun while your hand is still on top, the slide's blow back could tear/clip your skin and cause a lot of pain.
starscream1122 10 months ago
I've watched and learned a few pistol disarms and by far this is one where I would find myself most comfortable in terms of body control and redirecting the line of fire.
ebomb23 10 months ago
This is da SHIT!!!
Mussman24 11 months ago
very good technique
colton12344321 1 year ago
excellent
supersaid23 1 year ago
sir,
thank you very much for this new instruction I use to do the one mentioned before but from now on i will apply this technique, my question is what about from behind? and regarding hostage situations?
drsbbj 1 year ago
Grrr there is no IKI representatives in Los Angeles that are teaching.
Mider999 1 year ago
Excellent explanation and demonstration!!
larrysafetykam 1 year ago
Great job! Very good example of the progress in Krav Maga.
codavex 1 year ago 32
@codavex Cant the guy punch him with his other arm? The other forms of disarms are very fast not all of them do the punching but i have seen some punching in Dennis Hanover's System.
Mider999 1 year ago
@Mider999 Great question....The idea is good weapon control is paramount...Grabbing the barrel is an illusion of control, in the event he pulls back it is very difficult to hold onto. Not impossible, but risky enough for us to take a stronger control position in this case)
As far as punching, the disarm happens quickly, and a much larger concern for the attacker would be losing his weapon, so we feel that likely the reaction is attempting to jerk it back, which assists the disarm, not the punch.
TheFitnessonetrainer 1 year ago