Ok people history in the past . Look at problem we have now mass immigration and mass infux of muslims and blacks do you know in 5 years irish population 10 % foreign . It grew 8 % in just 7 years. We should stop this northern ireland and the south will be majority foreign and irish will be minority by 2050 if nothing is done
@AnimalWelfare1000 Ireland will continue begging from the EU states until Britain leaves, at which point ireland will have to leave or face a new 'famine'.
Put bluntly ireland will be totally fucked if Britain pulls out of the EU - which we will!!!!!
Actually, that's because Wilson was a Socialist, more interested in taxing the country to oblivion than his resposibility to protect British citizens from the tyranny of the Irish.
@Taiginator You still peddling this crap,its total fantasy,show us the proof , this is just more of your neo unionist revisionist bullshit,why don't ye try to invent some more history for yourselves and maybe even a language(oh sorry you did the language thing already).
@TomBarry192I Yank are you? People with your line usually are, please advise us all when a British Government last grabbed some land, if it's any help it would be well over a hundred years ago, very surprised an emminent historian like yourself hadn't noticed that the British have spent most of the last century handing back their former colonies.
@TomBarry192I who were invited over by power hungry irish chieftons , thats how the british land grabbing "government" got a claim , for land which was promised to them by the power hungry chieftons for backing them up in internal disputes
No one cares about loyalits your patheitc little people who want constant approval from us english i live in ireland and even the real irish consider you outcasts are a joke go die.
loyalists arnt popular in england, apart from to a few football hooligans or bnp type people, most people want to move on from all that, plus then you got all the blacks and muslims etc and they care even less. i reckon there decent people but they shouldnt be clinging onto all this stuff.
I'll tell you who they think they are. They are British citizens, who want to remain British citizens. Look what happened 8 years later when Argentina invaded British sovereign territory, we sent an army to remove them! Yet the British government at the time couldn't care less about British soil on their doorstep?! Who does Wilson think he is!!
Can anyone explain how Armagh ended up as one the 6 counties, it's 90% Catholic! Surely it'd make sense to let Down and Antrim stay British and let the rest of Ulster rejoin the republic.
@THESASH1 No, I think he honestly found the Unionists/Loyalists very annoying, to put it lightly. I don't think he was pandering to anyone when he made this speech.
Harold Wilson was spot on in 74. However he let pride come before principle and as sunningdale was Heath's initative he didn't give a damn about supporting it and the men of violence prevailed again.
It pisses me off to think of how loyalists in Northern Ireland manipulated my opinion of the British the do noting but give British people a bad name.
And if people continue to hate one another because their great-grandfathers hated one another, then I can only hope my great-grandchildren love the english because I loved them.
Im from the republic and I grew watchin people from Northern Ireland who call themselves British spit hatred and sectarianism. The talk of how much the hate Irish people and I grew up with the belief that they represented the people of Britain.
Then when I was 18 I went travelling I met people from all over the world and when I met people from england I was at first paranoid, but the english became the people I adored the most, I have missed them so much since I came home.
maybe most people arent aware of this (even though it was on the six 1 news) but loyalists but a pipe bomb in the playard of a a school OF 400 CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 13 luky enough a child told the teacher so the school was evacuated and the bomb was disarmed but it just shows what scum would directly try to kill young kids because there scared to fight like men TIOCFAIDH AR LA
The Eire Micks are scum but what really gets up my nose is the Plastic Brit f*cks with their Paddy-bog accents in Ulster. If they're really British they'd live over here. Not that we'd have them.
o n btw ulster has always been 9 countys, the british were givin the opportunity to decide on 3,6 or 9 countys to keep!! 3 wasnt enuf for a big enuf loyalist vote and 9 wud have let the catholics out vote the loyalists, so we got 9 and here we stand still undefeated
what a fuckin idiot calling loyalists spongers!! when it was all the irish catholics who remain to complain about british rule yet i dont hear them complaining when they pick up their doal money!! was this man confused or what!!
Why don't you just relax lad, go out and put a tricolor on a fire, whatever idiots like you do in your spare time. That 'fucking idiot' is an Oxford graduate. You're the one who can't spell a four letter word. Maybe you're a bit confused?
The only time there will be a United Ireland is when unionists don't about it anymore and that day is perhaps a bit off yet. There won't be a United Ireland in my life time.
no need, just another propaganda video, Northern Ireland will remain in the UK. There is more chance of the R.O.I being part of the UK than there being a United Ireland at the minute. The republic can't afford to run themselves in that Mickey Mouse government.
Stormont is succeeding, are you clued in as to what is going on in Northern Ireland at all? The dissidents are stepping up their campaign as they see a prospering Northern Ireland that is moving further and further away from a United Ireland
Stormont cant afford to run itself, thats why unionists travel to Dublin with their hands out. I dont hear you complaining about the hundreds of millions being pumped in by the Dublin government
rubbish, more like the seinners running to Westminser. Face it, Sinn fein sold you's out when they took up office in a British Executive and accepted british policing in Northern Ireland
I dont support sinn fein and have never voted for them. Peter Robinson met with Brian Cowen a few months back to recieve funding. No complaints from you
No complaints at all, Peter Robinson is simply sending a message to the Irish Government. "I am the First Minister of Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland it will remain!"
@TomBarry192I Well, Northern Ireland does not include three of the Ulster counties, which were given away by the British state to try and create a demographically British country, to try and avoid some of the problems that have since happened anyway.
It's called Northern Ireland and not Ulster to try and appease those who don't identify with their Ulster-Scots heritage because of their religion!
@LondonBrit no, the reason why many don't identify with an ulster-scots heritage is because it ISN'T their heritage. there's been 2 communities since C17th - religion was merely a colonial tool. the reason for discarding the other 3 counties was so nationalists wouldn't & couldn't have domination over the state.
problem with this "demographically british country" is that they had to discriminate & marginalise to create/maintain it. NI's fate was sealed through the means of it's very inception.
@monogirl3 There have been 2 communities before C17th. Ulster was a Kingdom that covered Ulster and parts of Scotland, there have always been Scots and Ulster folk travelling between the two! There has always been an Ulster identity. Whats more, in the 1600s plantations, native Ulster folk were only driven from 2% of the total land mass of Ulster - terrible and shouldn't have happened - but not the ethnic cleansing Adams and co would have you believe. Two nations, two Governments :-)
@LondonBrit do you seriously believe without the heavy plantations here there would be more people of scots descent living in the north of ireland today? to suggest such is ridiculous. yes, there's been scottish influence throughout ulster for some years, but historically ulster has shaped the culture & community of scotland, not the other way round.
before & during the 17th century, ulster vigorously resisted english rule/imperialism & it's scottish & anglo colonisers.
i'd add that if you're going to speak about ulster as a seperate entity from ireland, do speak about it as a whole. the truth is that it was not colonised enough with would-be loyalists to then create a viable state at the time of the "irish question". ulster does not have and never did have a unionist majority.
it's convenient to talk about "northern ireland" as if it is ulster, but it's not. even tyrone & fermanagh who were lumped into the NI deal had nationalist majorities.
@monogirl3 There is an excess British population in the Republic as well, you can't draw an exact line that keeps everyone happy. The excess British population tend not to make too much of a deal out of it though. Under partition, most people on the island got what they wanted. The overwhelming majority who wanted rule from Dublin got it, as did the overwhelming majority who wanted rule from London.
@monogirl3 "One nation two states" doesn't make any sense, even for the point you are trying to make! There are two nations of people on the island, that is the whole point of why there should be two states, what you want is one state for the two nations.
Scotland and Ulster have influenced each other throughout history.
Of course the plantations influenced things. But remember Antrim and Down - the 2 most loyalist counties - were not even in the original plantation!!
@LondonBrit the nation is ireland, the states were drawn up as northern ireland & southern ireland. one nation, two states. i was pointing out that ulster is part of the irish nation.
& they were planted - privately. antrim & down were the most heavily colonised, thus today they make up nearly half of the population of the whole 9 counties.
"the excess" british population in the republic weren't systemiatically discriminated against though, were they?
there was no respect for self-determination of irish people, nor for ulster people & finally there was no respect for the third of those who went on to make up NI. ireland was parititioned by britain to suit it's own ends. we had 1 party rule for over 40 yrs, the nationalist community were discriminated against so as to not have a voice in the running of their state. when they tried to voice this they were ostracised further. it was never JUST an issue of national sovereignty, NI was unworkable.
@monogirl3 And as for persecution, the Irish Protestants in the 20s and 30s were ethnically cleansed by the thousand! Quite possibly hundreds of thousands were displaced! Your last comment about Brits in the Republic not being discriminated against is astounding. Dublin turned a blind eye to this, which is what everybody knew would happen anyway, which was why the Ulster folk fought for partition.
@LondonBrit but i would argue that people of ulster-scots and anglo-irish extraction have always been part of the irish nation, i think our definitions are crossing over eachother somewhat. nation can mean land or it can mean a specific group of people.
ethnically cleansed by the thousand? most of them moved to the mainland and up north! as did thousands of catholics move down south, infact there had to be refugee camps set up to deal with the number of catholics being burnt out of their homes.
i understand unionism, esp in the context of 1920, where the free state was fervently catholic. but that'd changed by the 40s. nobody wanted to exterminate one culture after partition, but in the creation of NI - that became essential for the survival of the sectarian state, THIS is what caused decades of conflict. 'we' don't recognise 'the other' community? i have dozens of protestant ("ulster-scots") friends, more so than catholic as i live in a very unionist area. i have no elitist attitude.
@monogirl3 A nation is a group of people. It is clear to anyone that there are two nations of people on Ireland. This is why, at the moment, there are two states. Those who wish to deny the smaller nation of people recognition want there to be one state for two nations. You are confusing 'nation' with 'state' I think.
By saying there is one nation on Ireland, you are pretending that a large community doesn't exist, which is basically what Republicanism is about.
@TomBarry192I Because the province of Ulster is comprised of 9 counties, only 6 of which namely, Derry, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Down, Antrim and Armagh form Northern Ireland. The remaining 3 counties (Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal) are in the Republic of Ireland.
the empire may well be dead but the republic is a bankrupt rip off state, if that what you long to be part of move to iceland as the only differance is a letter and a couple of months.
The Ulster Loyalists are derived from a plantation of people who were planted in Ireland (all 1 million of them JEEEZE)).They are from lowland Scotland and England A colony can de defined as settlers from a dominating foreign country, where often the property of indigenous peoples is seized, to provide the settlers with land, and foreign cultural mores are imposed on the subject population. Please GOOGLE 'plantation of Ulster' - it will verify my point.
Wilson condemned the Unionist-controlled Ulster Workers' Strike as a "sectarian strike" which was "being done for sectarian purposes having no relation to this century but only to the seventeenth century". In a later television speech he referred to the "loyalist" strikers and their supporters as "spongers" who expected Britain to pay for their lifestyles
Really? NI cost less to London than Wales and Scotland. Sectarian? No mate, we were not going to be forced into a government with Ireland's real bigots!
A loyalist plantation of spongers that Britain no longer wants and who think they are still living in the 17th century, speaking a brand of English more suited to Chaucer - walk the Queen's Highway aka The Garvaghy Road.
Your time is over - and unfortuately Ireland does not know what to do with you. Neither do we here in Britain. Can someone go to Google Earth and suggest a little Island in the mid-pacific that we can move these spongers to? Popualtion transfer is the only option.
Thank you for posting this. Ignore 51wins comment below. This comment was made in 1974 by Harold Wison against the British Colony in Northern Ireland who where planted there by the British in the 17th Century. Please check any history book, especially John Bruton's 'A history of Ulster' to see that it was directed against the Ulster Loyalists who brought a power sharing executive down by a major strike. Sorry,these are not the conventional proleteriat of Marxist fame rather a lumpen proleteriat.
You do know he was talking about the Republican/Nationalist community not the Loyalist 1, the maker of the video has changed it round by adding in Loyalist pictures.
He was definitely talking about Unionism/Loyalism. Wilson tried to usher in reform in the 1960's, but was constantly thwarted by unionist/loyalist opposition. Evidently, he became very pissed off with them.
@FIREWITHFIRE09 I think your forgetting that if northern ireland left the uk, you would have to change your flag to a union jack version without the flag of saint patrick, which personally would look awful
@TomBarry192I Interesting I thought further up the page you may be a Yank, but use of the expression Butchers Apron suggests you might be Scottish, if so good luck when you get devolution...you are sure as hell going to need it!
@TheLi150man The butchers apron is used in Ireland where I come from. Could your country cope with independence? you have been clinging on to other countries for centuries.
harold wison summed up the loyalists quiet well...the same remarks apply to the welsh,and scottish....spongers all of them...prime minister wilson understood the efforts and magnitude of the bravery of ireland..in its pride and ability to govern itself.
Loyalism is DEAD, they cling to a false notion that their British however time after time, the Brits have distanced themselves from them as they bring nothing but shame to everything their associated with!
And I know it. I could easily hide who I am and talk shit on you tube if I wanted to, I wonder if you'd say it to my face, why not respond with a threat over your computer, that'll teach me LMAO
Go bow to your queen like a good little doggy.
I'd say hello to the pope but I couldn't give a fuck about him either.
Enjoy bowing to a German monarch who couldn't give a shit about you. If your so loyal go join the army, lose a leg for her or worse, loyalty to your family yes, that's all that matters.
15% of the population died in a famine in the 1690's. Show how much you know about that decade where your from. Your more interested in a king from holland.
The famine was the best thing to happen to Ireland.
The population in Ireland was 8.1m and in England it was 13m.
So if alot of us didn't go to America and make it big and fund the IRA (thank you septic tanks) we would be as packed up as pakiland England which is currently at a rate of 60m
Ireland could be around 20-30m now. I'm proud to have a small population and am proud that Catholics are breeding up in the North
You really are stupid thick generic hun, aren't you ?
If you study law (Irish or British) it is stated that Ireland is an island. There is no reference to the republic of Ireland in both jurisdictions i.e. Ireland Rugby team is made up of players from both faiths and counties of the country named IRELAND so be careful what you say to me because I will run you into the ground and I'm not talking THOMAS McDONALD run down at the Whitewell Rd ; )
Greatest PM ever and speakin the truth, Below me is a sponger, lived on a council estate his whole life and is proud never to have worked his way out of it.
harold wilson was 100 per cent right-if these people along with the loyalist scots would only show there love for ''there'' royal family and england by not being dependent on her purse strings-they would do england a favour,truth is england really does not want them and there not english....so question isJUST WHO DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY REALLY ARE?
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Nice video, shame about the labour dickhead speaking over it. With the volume on 'mute' 5 stars. Nice one Tom, long live the Loyalists in N.Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales.
Somebody posted a comment on this site alleging that Wilson's words are doctored. That is quite untrue. He was commenting on the Loyalist general strike of May 1974 that killed the restoration of Home Rule for N.I. under the terms of the Sunningdale Agreement. It was an anti-democratic wrecking operation that Wilson justly condemned. For a good recent history, see Paul Bew, "Ireland: The Politics of Enmity, 1789-2006" (Oxford University Press, 2007).
the orange statelet, ah. artificially created, gerrymandered boundaries, corrupt & rotten. where, in the 2nd half of the 20th century, a substantial minority of irish people living in the 6 counties (wonder why the brits left out 3 of ulster's 9 counties?) were robbed of basic human rights in their own land.
the statelet is now bankrupt - exposed to the world as the sop to bigots that it was - a monument to injustice, bigotry and hatred.
I read ur comments and while I agree as an Irish Catholic... what is the solution for approx. 1m Ulster Protestants?
True NI was ignored by Whitehall since Partition and essentially it was a "Protestant Country... for a Protestant People"... but we need a long term democratic resolution.
The last thing we need is loyalist terrorism on the same scale within a 32 county Ireland... and unfortunately with a military background ie. potentially UDR + RIR after disbanding.
When will the Loyalists living in the north east of Ireland accept that the British empire is dead?
Simple answer for them to read Tom.
The brits don't care about there fellow countrymen nor does the queen.
Why! Well people works just to pay so much tax for her sitting on her arse while our nhs is going down day by day.
Brown has no care either why! because he's selling the country to the e.u the signs are here already if they would open there atleast one single eye they would see it.
Well he might of said it about the ulster workers strike but that dosnt mean he said it against loyalists you daft cunt if you were a adult you would understand.But hey your not a adult your probally some 13 year old wannabe IRA SCUM member.
Ok people history in the past . Look at problem we have now mass immigration and mass infux of muslims and blacks do you know in 5 years irish population 10 % foreign . It grew 8 % in just 7 years. We should stop this northern ireland and the south will be majority foreign and irish will be minority by 2050 if nothing is done
reilly87irl 1 week ago
@reilly87irl Oh fuck off, our problem is mass emigration, not immigration you clueless fuck.
TomBarry192I 1 day ago
@AnimalWelfare1000 True.
CrazyIrishDrunk1 1 month ago
Spot on Harold. Spot on son.
densaner77 2 months ago
@AnimalWelfare1000 Ireland will continue begging from the EU states until Britain leaves, at which point ireland will have to leave or face a new 'famine'.
Put bluntly ireland will be totally fucked if Britain pulls out of the EU - which we will!!!!!
Basterfields 2 months ago
The biggest 'spongers' judging by recent events is the republic of ireland constantly begging for EU bailout money!
Basterfields 2 months ago
The best motivation the UWC strike could have asked for.
Thanks Harold.
LOYALISTMUSIC1 6 months ago
British out!
kipstrange 6 months ago
Actually, that's because Wilson was a Socialist, more interested in taxing the country to oblivion than his resposibility to protect British citizens from the tyranny of the Irish.
phantomsuccour 7 months ago
@phantomsuccour I thought the British army was originally sent in to protect Catholics from the 'tyranny' of the Protestant fanatics?
TheFutureadvocate 5 months ago
@Taiginator You still peddling this crap,its total fantasy,show us the proof , this is just more of your neo unionist revisionist bullshit,why don't ye try to invent some more history for yourselves and maybe even a language(oh sorry you did the language thing already).
saoirse2011 7 months ago
unionists and nationalists are both as bad as each other, both caused endless amounts of s***
saxsteadwba 7 months ago
@saxsteadwba Its the British land grabbing government which started the shit, invading peoples countries.
TomBarry192I 7 months ago
@TomBarry192I Yank are you? People with your line usually are, please advise us all when a British Government last grabbed some land, if it's any help it would be well over a hundred years ago, very surprised an emminent historian like yourself hadn't noticed that the British have spent most of the last century handing back their former colonies.
TheLi150man 7 months ago
@TomBarry192I who were invited over by power hungry irish chieftons , thats how the british land grabbing "government" got a claim , for land which was promised to them by the power hungry chieftons for backing them up in internal disputes
williedelahoya 2 months ago
No one cares about loyalits your patheitc little people who want constant approval from us english i live in ireland and even the real irish consider you outcasts are a joke go die.
JordoF6 7 months ago
loyalists arnt popular in england, apart from to a few football hooligans or bnp type people, most people want to move on from all that, plus then you got all the blacks and muslims etc and they care even less. i reckon there decent people but they shouldnt be clinging onto all this stuff.
Liam2621 8 months ago
We are proud Loyalists living in Northern Ireland NO SURRENDER
NiKiLLzXBands 8 months ago
I'll tell you who they think they are. They are British citizens, who want to remain British citizens. Look what happened 8 years later when Argentina invaded British sovereign territory, we sent an army to remove them! Yet the British government at the time couldn't care less about British soil on their doorstep?! Who does Wilson think he is!!
ChrisCarter1983 9 months ago
Wilson, a british Prime Minister even saw loyalists for what they were, scumbags.
tysonthepooper 10 months ago
Can anyone explain how Armagh ended up as one the 6 counties, it's 90% Catholic! Surely it'd make sense to let Down and Antrim stay British and let the rest of Ulster rejoin the republic.
barnbersonol 10 months ago
@barnbersonol thats not a bad idea....take back the north piece by piece...
tysonthepooper 10 months ago
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TheXand19 11 months ago
WILSON , WHAT A PANDERING WANKER HE WAS.FACT
THESASH1 1 year ago
@THESASH1 No, I think he honestly found the Unionists/Loyalists very annoying, to put it lightly. I don't think he was pandering to anyone when he made this speech.
robsargent4 11 months ago
Harold Wilson was spot on in 74. However he let pride come before principle and as sunningdale was Heath's initative he didn't give a damn about supporting it and the men of violence prevailed again.
NiallJoe71 1 year ago
It pisses me off to think of how loyalists in Northern Ireland manipulated my opinion of the British the do noting but give British people a bad name.
And if people continue to hate one another because their great-grandfathers hated one another, then I can only hope my great-grandchildren love the english because I loved them.
Msfenianpride 1 year ago 2
Im from the republic and I grew watchin people from Northern Ireland who call themselves British spit hatred and sectarianism. The talk of how much the hate Irish people and I grew up with the belief that they represented the people of Britain.
Then when I was 18 I went travelling I met people from all over the world and when I met people from england I was at first paranoid, but the english became the people I adored the most, I have missed them so much since I came home.
Msfenianpride 1 year ago 2
That is just a fact. The 4 Catholic counties of the 6 counties of occupied Ireland should be allowed to join into unoccupied Ireland.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
Those people think they are free men not to be made slaves to an evil empire.
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
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DanotheSnitch 1 year ago
maybe most people arent aware of this (even though it was on the six 1 news) but loyalists but a pipe bomb in the playard of a a school OF 400 CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 13 luky enough a child told the teacher so the school was evacuated and the bomb was disarmed but it just shows what scum would directly try to kill young kids because there scared to fight like men TIOCFAIDH AR LA
MONEYMAN101ish 1 year ago
read the covenant
consult the figures of those for Home Rule to those against
then you can point the finger at the minority imposing their will on the majority
christovski1 1 year ago
Harold Wilson? LOL.
Three letters.
UWC.
hehe.
No Surrender.
annoyingasfcuk 1 year ago
Wilson=Lundy.
gemmagemma6969 2 years ago
The Eire Micks are scum but what really gets up my nose is the Plastic Brit f*cks with their Paddy-bog accents in Ulster. If they're really British they'd live over here. Not that we'd have them.
McGrumpybugger 2 years ago
@McGrumpybugger
Some Mick take your job then? Unlucky.
nallyterrace 1 year ago
so we chose 6 countys sorry!!!!!
gibbo852 2 years ago
o n btw ulster has always been 9 countys, the british were givin the opportunity to decide on 3,6 or 9 countys to keep!! 3 wasnt enuf for a big enuf loyalist vote and 9 wud have let the catholics out vote the loyalists, so we got 9 and here we stand still undefeated
gibbo852 2 years ago
what a fuckin idiot calling loyalists spongers!! when it was all the irish catholics who remain to complain about british rule yet i dont hear them complaining when they pick up their doal money!! was this man confused or what!!
gibbo852 2 years ago
@gibbo852
Doal money? Take it you mean dole?
Why don't you just relax lad, go out and put a tricolor on a fire, whatever idiots like you do in your spare time. That 'fucking idiot' is an Oxford graduate. You're the one who can't spell a four letter word. Maybe you're a bit confused?
nallyterrace 1 year ago
The only time there will be a United Ireland is when unionists don't about it anymore and that day is perhaps a bit off yet. There won't be a United Ireland in my life time.
UlsterScotKeith 2 years ago
what age are u, 108???
phoenix1916 2 years ago
I'd love to know how resisting a power sharing agreement warrants being called spongers!!!!
WARISHELL09 2 years ago
all i can say to the irish wanabees in Northern Ireland UK is, don't bite the hand thats feeding you.
bt4mt 2 years ago
Did you watch this video at all? sponger
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
no need, just another propaganda video, Northern Ireland will remain in the UK. There is more chance of the R.O.I being part of the UK than there being a United Ireland at the minute. The republic can't afford to run themselves in that Mickey Mouse government.
bt4mt 2 years ago
Bit like stormont then?
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
Stormont is succeeding, are you clued in as to what is going on in Northern Ireland at all? The dissidents are stepping up their campaign as they see a prospering Northern Ireland that is moving further and further away from a United Ireland
bt4mt 2 years ago
Stormont cant afford to run itself, thats why unionists travel to Dublin with their hands out. I dont hear you complaining about the hundreds of millions being pumped in by the Dublin government
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
rubbish, more like the seinners running to Westminser. Face it, Sinn fein sold you's out when they took up office in a British Executive and accepted british policing in Northern Ireland
bt4mt 2 years ago
I dont support sinn fein and have never voted for them. Peter Robinson met with Brian Cowen a few months back to recieve funding. No complaints from you
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
No complaints at all, Peter Robinson is simply sending a message to the Irish Government. "I am the First Minister of Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland it will remain!"
bt4mt 2 years ago
good point
pintofshite 2 years ago
Just Like the English paid for the Republic......take a look at the EU budget and funding since Ireland joined...
yodasalter 2 years ago
Rightly so, they partitoned and weakened the country. The UK economy would be nothing without borrowing from the USA.
TomBarry192I 2 years ago 3
Ulster hasn't always been 9 counties, it's always changed about. historically it's 9 but it has changed.
cloughers 2 years ago
Why is 'Northern Ireland' not called Ulster then?
TomBarry192I 2 years ago 5
@TomBarry192I Well, Northern Ireland does not include three of the Ulster counties, which were given away by the British state to try and create a demographically British country, to try and avoid some of the problems that have since happened anyway.
It's called Northern Ireland and not Ulster to try and appease those who don't identify with their Ulster-Scots heritage because of their religion!
LondonBrit 1 year ago
@LondonBrit no, the reason why many don't identify with an ulster-scots heritage is because it ISN'T their heritage. there's been 2 communities since C17th - religion was merely a colonial tool. the reason for discarding the other 3 counties was so nationalists wouldn't & couldn't have domination over the state.
problem with this "demographically british country" is that they had to discriminate & marginalise to create/maintain it. NI's fate was sealed through the means of it's very inception.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 There have been 2 communities before C17th. Ulster was a Kingdom that covered Ulster and parts of Scotland, there have always been Scots and Ulster folk travelling between the two! There has always been an Ulster identity. Whats more, in the 1600s plantations, native Ulster folk were only driven from 2% of the total land mass of Ulster - terrible and shouldn't have happened - but not the ethnic cleansing Adams and co would have you believe. Two nations, two Governments :-)
LondonBrit 1 year ago
@LondonBrit do you seriously believe without the heavy plantations here there would be more people of scots descent living in the north of ireland today? to suggest such is ridiculous. yes, there's been scottish influence throughout ulster for some years, but historically ulster has shaped the culture & community of scotland, not the other way round.
before & during the 17th century, ulster vigorously resisted english rule/imperialism & it's scottish & anglo colonisers.
one nation, two states.
monogirl3 1 year ago
i'd add that if you're going to speak about ulster as a seperate entity from ireland, do speak about it as a whole. the truth is that it was not colonised enough with would-be loyalists to then create a viable state at the time of the "irish question". ulster does not have and never did have a unionist majority.
it's convenient to talk about "northern ireland" as if it is ulster, but it's not. even tyrone & fermanagh who were lumped into the NI deal had nationalist majorities.
democracy eh?
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 There is an excess British population in the Republic as well, you can't draw an exact line that keeps everyone happy. The excess British population tend not to make too much of a deal out of it though. Under partition, most people on the island got what they wanted. The overwhelming majority who wanted rule from Dublin got it, as did the overwhelming majority who wanted rule from London.
LondonBrit 1 year ago
@monogirl3 "One nation two states" doesn't make any sense, even for the point you are trying to make! There are two nations of people on the island, that is the whole point of why there should be two states, what you want is one state for the two nations.
Scotland and Ulster have influenced each other throughout history.
Of course the plantations influenced things. But remember Antrim and Down - the 2 most loyalist counties - were not even in the original plantation!!
LondonBrit 1 year ago
@LondonBrit the nation is ireland, the states were drawn up as northern ireland & southern ireland. one nation, two states. i was pointing out that ulster is part of the irish nation.
& they were planted - privately. antrim & down were the most heavily colonised, thus today they make up nearly half of the population of the whole 9 counties.
"the excess" british population in the republic weren't systemiatically discriminated against though, were they?
monogirl3 1 year ago
there was no respect for self-determination of irish people, nor for ulster people & finally there was no respect for the third of those who went on to make up NI. ireland was parititioned by britain to suit it's own ends. we had 1 party rule for over 40 yrs, the nationalist community were discriminated against so as to not have a voice in the running of their state. when they tried to voice this they were ostracised further. it was never JUST an issue of national sovereignty, NI was unworkable.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 And as for persecution, the Irish Protestants in the 20s and 30s were ethnically cleansed by the thousand! Quite possibly hundreds of thousands were displaced! Your last comment about Brits in the Republic not being discriminated against is astounding. Dublin turned a blind eye to this, which is what everybody knew would happen anyway, which was why the Ulster folk fought for partition.
LondonBrit 1 year ago
@LondonBrit but i would argue that people of ulster-scots and anglo-irish extraction have always been part of the irish nation, i think our definitions are crossing over eachother somewhat. nation can mean land or it can mean a specific group of people.
ethnically cleansed by the thousand? most of them moved to the mainland and up north! as did thousands of catholics move down south, infact there had to be refugee camps set up to deal with the number of catholics being burnt out of their homes.
monogirl3 1 year ago
i understand unionism, esp in the context of 1920, where the free state was fervently catholic. but that'd changed by the 40s. nobody wanted to exterminate one culture after partition, but in the creation of NI - that became essential for the survival of the sectarian state, THIS is what caused decades of conflict. 'we' don't recognise 'the other' community? i have dozens of protestant ("ulster-scots") friends, more so than catholic as i live in a very unionist area. i have no elitist attitude.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 A nation is a group of people. It is clear to anyone that there are two nations of people on Ireland. This is why, at the moment, there are two states. Those who wish to deny the smaller nation of people recognition want there to be one state for two nations. You are confusing 'nation' with 'state' I think.
By saying there is one nation on Ireland, you are pretending that a large community doesn't exist, which is basically what Republicanism is about.
LondonBrit 1 year ago
@TomBarry192I Because the province of Ulster is comprised of 9 counties, only 6 of which namely, Derry, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Down, Antrim and Armagh form Northern Ireland. The remaining 3 counties (Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal) are in the Republic of Ireland.
Aidankiwi 2 months ago
the empire may well be dead but the republic is a bankrupt rip off state, if that what you long to be part of move to iceland as the only differance is a letter and a couple of months.
MrDsrutherford 2 years ago
That 'republic' is not what we long to be a part of
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
Wilson=Traitor=Dead=:)
gemmagemma6969 2 years ago
UWC 1 Harold Wilson 0
SAS 8 East Tyrone PIRA 0
Paras 13 Bogside 0
Gib' Provo's 0 SAS 3
scotva 2 years ago
Warrenpoint
IRA 18 Paras 0
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
The effort some Republicans put into u-tube with videos i find funny and still no United Ireland lol
GH169 2 years ago
Also, please, anyone who comes to this page,look up Harold Wilson and the UWC strike.
You will see that this comment was directed at the Ulster Loyalists.
proinsiaspad 2 years ago
ULSTER UNIONISM = COLONIALISM
The Ulster Loyalists are derived from a plantation of people who were planted in Ireland (all 1 million of them JEEEZE)).They are from lowland Scotland and England A colony can de defined as settlers from a dominating foreign country, where often the property of indigenous peoples is seized, to provide the settlers with land, and foreign cultural mores are imposed on the subject population. Please GOOGLE 'plantation of Ulster' - it will verify my point.
proinsiaspad 2 years ago
Im a proud planter lol
GH169 2 years ago
haha..Nobody like's these inbred mf's..Go back to the scottich lowlands ya bible thumping sponger monkeys....
MrFuckIsrael 2 years ago
ahhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahaha
kingofireland32 2 years ago
harold wilson said this about the nationalist republicans so all u dickheaqds can go fuck.
to the author
u cannot twist the facts to suit ur own agenda.
google it and find the truth about that statement.
idiots
Alpha4511 2 years ago
Are you sure about that Alpha?
It seems you are the one who is an idiot:
Wilson condemned the Unionist-controlled Ulster Workers' Strike as a "sectarian strike" which was "being done for sectarian purposes having no relation to this century but only to the seventeenth century". In a later television speech he referred to the "loyalist" strikers and their supporters as "spongers" who expected Britain to pay for their lifestyles
MarkyMarkDCU 2 years ago 3
Really? NI cost less to London than Wales and Scotland. Sectarian? No mate, we were not going to be forced into a government with Ireland's real bigots!
Labour= The dregs of British politics.
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
haha Everybody hates loyalists:L
Even the ones that loyalists support:D
gohomehuns1916 2 years ago
A loyalist plantation of spongers that Britain no longer wants and who think they are still living in the 17th century, speaking a brand of English more suited to Chaucer - walk the Queen's Highway aka The Garvaghy Road.
Your time is over - and unfortuately Ireland does not know what to do with you. Neither do we here in Britain. Can someone go to Google Earth and suggest a little Island in the mid-pacific that we can move these spongers to? Popualtion transfer is the only option.
proinsiaspad 2 years ago 3
Thank you for posting this. Ignore 51wins comment below. This comment was made in 1974 by Harold Wison against the British Colony in Northern Ireland who where planted there by the British in the 17th Century. Please check any history book, especially John Bruton's 'A history of Ulster' to see that it was directed against the Ulster Loyalists who brought a power sharing executive down by a major strike. Sorry,these are not the conventional proleteriat of Marxist fame rather a lumpen proleteriat.
proinsiaspad 2 years ago
How on earth is Northern Ireland a colony?!
3downatmilltown 2 years ago
You do know he was talking about the Republican/Nationalist community not the Loyalist 1, the maker of the video has changed it round by adding in Loyalist pictures.
51wins 2 years ago
He was talking about Loyalists
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
it was about loyalists which brought down the 74 agreement i think not sure of the year
timpatjoe 2 years ago
He was definitely talking about Unionism/Loyalism. Wilson tried to usher in reform in the 1960's, but was constantly thwarted by unionist/loyalist opposition. Evidently, he became very pissed off with them.
Kuabla 2 years ago
Its what most people think of loyalists in brittan!! they hate them there.
AnAuldDubliner 2 years ago 12
@AnAuldDubliner the brittish hate any murdering terrorist, wether they are IRA or UVF
jonnyR1321 1 year ago 2
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Fuck the Union
INDEPENDENCE FOR ENGLAND
Stick your loyalism up your arse
We don't want you scum associating yourselves with our Queen and Country
freethequeen 2 years ago
I have not heard many people say that English Nationalism mmmm
useopenstupid 2 years ago
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the famine is over ,FUCK OF HOME
DaftVador 2 years ago
which famine the ones in scotland or the one in Ireland?
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
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BRITS OUT!!
FIREWITHFIRE09 2 years ago
Basically fuck off Loyalist scum the rest of Britain wants nothing to do with you.
Yet they still remain Loyal,
*Laughs*
FIREWITHFIRE09 2 years ago 16
@FIREWITHFIRE09 the brittish hate any murdering terrorist, wether they are IRA or UVF
jonnyR1321 1 year ago
@FIREWITHFIRE09 I think your forgetting that if northern ireland left the uk, you would have to change your flag to a union jack version without the flag of saint patrick, which personally would look awful
Timcookie321 9 months ago
@Timcookie321 Who gives a shit what the butchers apron looks like. It will soon resemble an England flag the way scotland are going.
TomBarry192I 9 months ago
@TomBarry192I Interesting I thought further up the page you may be a Yank, but use of the expression Butchers Apron suggests you might be Scottish, if so good luck when you get devolution...you are sure as hell going to need it!
TheLi150man 7 months ago
@TheLi150man The butchers apron is used in Ireland where I come from. Could your country cope with independence? you have been clinging on to other countries for centuries.
TomBarry192I 7 months ago
harold wison summed up the loyalists quiet well...the same remarks apply to the welsh,and scottish....spongers all of them...prime minister wilson understood the efforts and magnitude of the bravery of ireland..in its pride and ability to govern itself.
IbGoodUbNaughty 2 years ago
fuck the union
fuck unionists
fuck the union jack
independence for England
NOW
freethequeen 2 years ago 3
Spongers : ) how very true !!!
Che870 2 years ago
This is the best you can come up with? Some old quote from an ex-PM?
ProfessorxVile 2 years ago
Loyalism is DEAD, they cling to a false notion that their British however time after time, the Brits have distanced themselves from them as they bring nothing but shame to everything their associated with!
phoenix1916 2 years ago 4
yea you wish it was
BritishWarLord 2 years ago
I know it is, the proof is here, LISTEN!!!
phoenix1916 2 years ago 4
The Labour Party, look him up on wiki he was planning to jettison NI from the U.K in response to the the Ulster Workers Strike
wertyhhp 2 years ago 3
What party did Wilson belong to again?
hoodwhacker 2 years ago
Smug Bastards...SPONGERS
kerrygold19l6 2 years ago 3
so where did the 1.7 million come in.or are you saying the population was 10 million lol
hilly1690 2 years ago
1.7 million had to leave Scotland in the 1840's due to a famine.
10-15% died of famine in the 1690's in Scotland.
Its no wonder why they call you Scotlands Shame...
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
And I know it. I could easily hide who I am and talk shit on you tube if I wanted to, I wonder if you'd say it to my face, why not respond with a threat over your computer, that'll teach me LMAO
Go bow to your queen like a good little doggy.
I'd say hello to the pope but I couldn't give a fuck about him either.
LDNIrishArsenal1983 2 years ago
oh I'd definatley say it to your face
hilly1690 2 years ago
That's taught me, i'm sooo frickin scared.
Enjoy bowing to a German monarch who couldn't give a shit about you. If your so loyal go join the army, lose a leg for her or worse, loyalty to your family yes, that's all that matters.
End of.
LDNIrishArsenal1983 2 years ago
the famines over go home.
hilly1690 2 years ago
Which famine is that hilly? the one that happened in Scotland or the one that happened in Ireland?
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
YOUR ONE WE WENT FISHING
hilly1690 2 years ago
The one in Scotland where 1.7 million had to leave their land? shame on you
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
i think you'll find that was not a famine
hilly1690 2 years ago
Neither was the one in Ireland.
Scotlands shame.....
TomBarry192I 2 years ago 2
so how exactly did they all starve in ireland
hilly1690 2 years ago
Watch a video Irish Genocide.
In the 1690's Scotland had a famine that killed 15% of the population.
You really are Scotlands shame.....
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
so if i read all your comments together scotland had a famine and 1.7 million people left and 15% of the population died.hmmmmmmmmmmmm bullshit
hilly1690 2 years ago
15% of the population died in a famine in the 1690's. Show how much you know about that decade where your from. Your more interested in a king from holland.
Scotlands shame
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
The famine was the best thing to happen to Ireland.
The population in Ireland was 8.1m and in England it was 13m.
So if alot of us didn't go to America and make it big and fund the IRA (thank you septic tanks) we would be as packed up as pakiland England which is currently at a rate of 60m
Ireland could be around 20-30m now. I'm proud to have a small population and am proud that Catholics are breeding up in the North
: D
Irishfreecitizen 2 years ago
the population of the republic is 4.3 million the north is 1.7 million making a total of 6 million you thick paddy prick
hilly1690 2 years ago
Christ almighty he said it was 8 million. How thick are you hilly?
Was = past tense
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
You really are stupid thick generic hun, aren't you ?
If you study law (Irish or British) it is stated that Ireland is an island. There is no reference to the republic of Ireland in both jurisdictions i.e. Ireland Rugby team is made up of players from both faiths and counties of the country named IRELAND so be careful what you say to me because I will run you into the ground and I'm not talking THOMAS McDONALD run down at the Whitewell Rd ; )
Irishfreecitizen 2 years ago
Der is nothin wrong wit Pakistany people or indians or Muslim but i respect wot ya sayin. Every1 has der opinion
ianasone 2 years ago
yea its good you have a small population because otherwise you might actually be a significant country
cook119 2 years ago
You mean significant like, for example, Britain, who have the significance of being America's Trojan Horse in Europe?
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
yea, significant
cook119 2 years ago
we are loyal to the queen and crown and will fight republicanism till the day we die
hilly1690 2 years ago
The British Government aren't, you're fighting a dying cause, listen to who many ENGLISH claim was the greatest PM is saying.
LDNIrishArsenal1983 2 years ago 3
WHO DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE?
They don't even know that themselves!
shakeystevensVIII 2 years ago
Greatest PM ever and speakin the truth, Below me is a sponger, lived on a council estate his whole life and is proud never to have worked his way out of it.
LDNIrishArsenal1983 2 years ago 2
harold wilson was 100 per cent right-if these people along with the loyalist scots would only show there love for ''there'' royal family and england by not being dependent on her purse strings-they would do england a favour,truth is england really does not want them and there not english....so question isJUST WHO DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY REALLY ARE?
devsaidfuckoff 2 years ago
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Nice video, shame about the labour dickhead speaking over it. With the volume on 'mute' 5 stars. Nice one Tom, long live the Loyalists in N.Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales.
stgeorgereborn 2 years ago
Somebody posted a comment on this site alleging that Wilson's words are doctored. That is quite untrue. He was commenting on the Loyalist general strike of May 1974 that killed the restoration of Home Rule for N.I. under the terms of the Sunningdale Agreement. It was an anti-democratic wrecking operation that Wilson justly condemned. For a good recent history, see Paul Bew, "Ireland: The Politics of Enmity, 1789-2006" (Oxford University Press, 2007).
StephenHP62 2 years ago 4
: ) How true
Che870 2 years ago 2
the orange statelet, ah. artificially created, gerrymandered boundaries, corrupt & rotten. where, in the 2nd half of the 20th century, a substantial minority of irish people living in the 6 counties (wonder why the brits left out 3 of ulster's 9 counties?) were robbed of basic human rights in their own land.
the statelet is now bankrupt - exposed to the world as the sop to bigots that it was - a monument to injustice, bigotry and hatred.
26+6=1
great wee clip tom barry and so true
RAGtagBAG88 2 years ago 2
good old harold..
devsaidfuckoff 2 years ago
I read ur comments and while I agree as an Irish Catholic... what is the solution for approx. 1m Ulster Protestants?
True NI was ignored by Whitehall since Partition and essentially it was a "Protestant Country... for a Protestant People"... but we need a long term democratic resolution.
The last thing we need is loyalist terrorism on the same scale within a 32 county Ireland... and unfortunately with a military background ie. potentially UDR + RIR after disbanding.
DenMyster01 2 years ago
This land is Ireland, our land that the prods invaded. They were pushed out of england to come here and take our land and take over our state.
They have no cause here, Go Home.
JimJohnMartin 3 years ago 4
When will the Loyalists living in the north east of Ireland accept that the British empire is dead?
Simple answer for them to read Tom.
The brits don't care about there fellow countrymen nor does the queen.
Why! Well people works just to pay so much tax for her sitting on her arse while our nhs is going down day by day.
Brown has no care either why! because he's selling the country to the e.u the signs are here already if they would open there atleast one single eye they would see it.
JimJohnMartin 3 years ago 2
Nazi's that's who.
BAMAROLLTIDE412 3 years ago
Fenian bolloks
hty1961 3 years ago
"Fenian bollocks"?
It was the primeminister you dickhead!
EnglishAndScouse 3 years ago
He obviously didnt say that the fenian fuckwit tombarry1921 has edited the words pathetic really
hty1961 3 years ago
Harold Wilson did call Loyalists spongers in 1974
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
He didnt you just edited the words or he said it about someone else and youve obviously made it look like he said it to loyalists.
NO SURRENDER
hty1961 3 years ago
He said this in his famous speech about the Ulster Workers Strike. If you were a loyalist you would know about this. But your not a loyalist
TomBarry192I 3 years ago
Well he might of said it about the ulster workers strike but that dosnt mean he said it against loyalists you daft cunt if you were a adult you would understand.But hey your not a adult your probally some 13 year old wannabe IRA SCUM member.
NO SURRENDER
hty1961 3 years ago
He said 'they assault democratic methods' when talking about the strike. He said they 'spend their LIVES sponging'
Maybe you need to go back to school
TomBarry192I 2 years ago
Fuck you ya piece of shite.
NO SURRENDER
UDA
ULSTER SAYS NO FOREVER.
hty1961 2 years ago
Funny LOL! Seeing as 2/3 of Ulster is in the republic and 5 of the other 6 wanna be in the republic!
Tiocfaidh ár fucking lá!
EnglishAndScouse 2 years ago
no 2/3 of ulster is in the union you cunt. Your oirish so oi will let ya off oi will!!!
NO FUCKING SURRENDER
hty1961 2 years ago
Wow I made a simple typing error LOL.
NO Surrender? You're not even a loyalist you fool! You know nothing about Northern Ireland.... No, not Northern Ireland, the north OF Ireland!
EnglishAndScouse 2 years ago
"You're not even a loyalist you fool! " lol
Your not even a fucking republican all you do is copy that fenian tombarry1921
NORTHERN IRELAND IS AND WILL REMAIN IN THE UNION
NO FUCKING SURRENDER
hty1961 2 years ago 2
Yes, I am a republican. My family has been in Ireland for centuries! I'm Scouse, English and then Irish in THAT ORDER!
You, however are not a loyalist as you've got no links to the north of Ireland.
And it won't remain in the union either the union itself is crumbling, and all we seperatists have to do is sit back and watch !!
EnglishAndScouse 2 years ago
Im from the same country. The UK.
Was Johny Adair English yes does that mean he isnt a loyalist NO.
Also how would you know if I have any N.irish blood in me??? for all you know I could be living in N.I.
The Union is here to stay.
NO SURRENDER
hty1961 2 years ago