Another way to look at it that the hydrogen is gathering or collecting at the edges first.
I think the disasssociation of hydrogen and ozygen happen somewhere in between. So sometimes if production is very low and there is a large surface area it might take a long time or we might never see bubbles form (ie the hydrogen being lighter than water might come to the surface without forming bubbles is production is low enough). Just a thought...
The water molecule is disassociated at a point between the plates. At this point we have individual atoms too small to see. Oxygen has a slight neg charge so the atoms migrate to the pos plate. Hydrogen has a slight pos charge so migrates to the neg plate. Once enough atoms accumulate on the plate surface, bubbles form. As the bubbles get large enough for bouancy to overcome magnetism they float free of the plate surface. Think semi-permeable. Car cleaning chamois cloth works for me.
look forward to it ... but it will take some pretty strong proof to dissprove Faraday on this part of the theory ... but I am getting a real kick out of disproving Faraday these days so will keep an open mind ...
An interesting find. An idea is that it might have something to do with the electrons on the surface of the metal repelling one another, and the ones at the edge arn't being repelled as much since there is a lack of metal and hence the electrons on it. Maby some metalurgist knows. I wonder if copper plate with a stainless steel coating would have good results.
how close can you put the plates when you put a screen between them? this keeps the bubbles separated well? how about an acrylic plate to separate the plates with a space at the bottom for water flow, if you made a video of this i would greatly appreciate it!
Hi John, I wonder if the reason the gas comes more from the side of the plates is because these are the rough, due to the fact that they were cut along these edges? I have found that when I sand the surface of my plates they give off, or atleast it seems that way, more gas than a smooth surface. Also I think that when stainless steel is produced it has some form of oil/grease on the surface that needs to be removed. Love your work by the way.
Another good video Thanks, been following your work and others for a while tried a few cell designs tube, plate and a new one a 1/4 inch width plate design with 1/8 spacing between plates only could produce 1/2 letter min. and neutral side would get very hot. thought if more production was produced off of edges of plates why not make more edges ? might go back there at a different time and keep trying but
Another way to look at it that the hydrogen is gathering or collecting at the edges first.
I think the disasssociation of hydrogen and ozygen happen somewhere in between. So sometimes if production is very low and there is a large surface area it might take a long time or we might never see bubbles form (ie the hydrogen being lighter than water might come to the surface without forming bubbles is production is low enough). Just a thought...
RobC1999 3 years ago
The Hydrogen is coming off the bottom.. first..there is no question .. and the reason is still out there...
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
The water molecule is disassociated at a point between the plates. At this point we have individual atoms too small to see. Oxygen has a slight neg charge so the atoms migrate to the pos plate. Hydrogen has a slight pos charge so migrates to the neg plate. Once enough atoms accumulate on the plate surface, bubbles form. As the bubbles get large enough for bouancy to overcome magnetism they float free of the plate surface. Think semi-permeable. Car cleaning chamois cloth works for me.
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
I will show you another test that will make you rethink that comment..
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
look forward to it ... but it will take some pretty strong proof to dissprove Faraday on this part of the theory ... but I am getting a real kick out of disproving Faraday these days so will keep an open mind ...
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago
could it possibly be due to the different grades of SS?
ledzepln1964 3 years ago
if the edge works better then wouldnt an array of pins + and _ work better then plates
waynedavisband 3 years ago
The idea is sound.. but it is a little harder than that... (or not).
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
An interesting find. An idea is that it might have something to do with the electrons on the surface of the metal repelling one another, and the ones at the edge arn't being repelled as much since there is a lack of metal and hence the electrons on it. Maby some metalurgist knows. I wonder if copper plate with a stainless steel coating would have good results.
trailkeeper 3 years ago
I have heard that Platinum is the best metal for electrolysis my guess is a platinum coated copper(or stainless steel).
TheHermeticAlchemist 3 years ago
Have you considered a spiral plate design?
rcaston19 3 years ago
Yes... and more than a few videos back there are some..
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
have you tried to separate the 2 poles + and - from one another in the same tank? so that the gas is separated Hydrogen From oxygen?
if so please tell me a video of this. or it could be your next experiment.
Much thanks, keep up the great work!!!
The Alchemist
TheHermeticAlchemist 3 years ago
The way I was doing it.. was to put a screen between the (+) and (-)... sep. the bubbles.
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
by screen do you mean an acrylic plate? with a space to let the water to flow through both sides, but closed at the top to separate the gasses?
TheHermeticAlchemist 3 years ago
"screen"
Like your back door screen.. It keeps the Hydrogen bubbles away from the Oxygen bubbles.
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
how close can you put the plates when you put a screen between them? this keeps the bubbles separated well? how about an acrylic plate to separate the plates with a space at the bottom for water flow, if you made a video of this i would greatly appreciate it!
TheHermeticAlchemist 3 years ago
I have had them 1/4 " .. the screen is thin..
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
Isn´t that becaus the largest area of the "probe" was more to the left than the tip of the "probe"?
MissfostretTellus 3 years ago
Hi John, I wonder if the reason the gas comes more from the side of the plates is because these are the rough, due to the fact that they were cut along these edges? I have found that when I sand the surface of my plates they give off, or atleast it seems that way, more gas than a smooth surface. Also I think that when stainless steel is produced it has some form of oil/grease on the surface that needs to be removed. Love your work by the way.
babyella07 3 years ago
I have tried the sand process... (in video) false..
John AArons
johnaarons 3 years ago
The probes with their sharp points have a much higher current density. More Ox bubbles appear to collect on the probe. The plates DO have the
H bubbles on the but they are spread out on a larger surface and lower current density.
Keep up the good work.
RonL
rlaury 3 years ago
just a qestion . could use carbon fiber plate?
sgt998 3 years ago
Sorry lost half my message didnt know it only sends out short messages have know idea were it left off ?
zerectors 3 years ago
Another good video Thanks, been following your work and others for a while tried a few cell designs tube, plate and a new one a 1/4 inch width plate design with 1/8 spacing between plates only could produce 1/2 letter min. and neutral side would get very hot. thought if more production was produced off of edges of plates why not make more edges ? might go back there at a different time and keep trying but
zerectors 3 years ago