John Locke (This Night by Black Lab) SPOILERS for season 5 finale

[xkisame134]

MIB was going to make loche kill jacob but then ben killed loche, so then he instead took to be loche so he could then trick someone who would want to kill jacob and manipulate that person and then get off the island.

[fergiesmaryjanez]

-hyperventilates, whispering- Husbandhusbandhusbandhusband. >.> (at Boone)

[krauseristheman]

with him during his early life. Since i don't think Smokey/MiB can know much about what's happening outside the island's parametres (going just a bit off land, as far as to the ship in s.4 but not further) it's not that likely that he knew about Locke before he came to the island. But when they first met in the djungle, eye to eye, Smokey found his "loophole" and from there on started manipulating John in his own direction, winning over Jacob.

[krauseristheman]

Hey man, this was an extremely good theory to have been thought of before the sixth season even aired. Seems you were right about almost everything, except i wouldn't say that Locke didn't really have a "better" purpose in terms of what's "good". I think Jacob favourised him as his nr 1 candidate right from the start (that is from his birth), thinking of how he sent Richard to watch over/interact

[ChildrenofAmory]

I don't think Jacob or Seth are good or evil. I think they are counterbalancing forces. More like Law or Chaos.

Neither is good or evil, just two opposing forces that manipulate equally.

[boenneteoyneGod1st]

What I don't understand is why if Smokey cant kill jacob unless he has a loophole, how is john locke that loophole when he still doesnt phisically kill jacob but just manipulates ben into doing it. Its like without the loophole smoky cant kill jacob but yet when smoky can he doesnt Couldn't Smoky of just manipulated ben some other way? its late, hopefully this makes sense

[dgmpepper5]

I don't think he's trying to find a loophole to kill Jacob himself. I think the loophole is simply - hey, I can't kill you, but I could get someone else to do it for me.

[ollie8888888888]

ACTULLY FIRST richard was not on the black rock dont know where u got that idea. Second locke is special and will come back next series witch vengence and be resurrected i promise you that. He is going destroy smokey and will rule the island like he always has been destined to do

[ShatteredOne2007]

We actually don't know where Richard came from, all we know is Jacob made him the way he is (ageless).  And from what the writers have said and what given the circumstances, I think Locke is really dead. The only way to bring him back is if the bomb in the past really did change some things in the future.

[galacticinquisitor]

Locke in Jacob's tomb and dead-Locke in Ajira crate may be the same person just in different times.. IF perhaps.... when Locke turned the frozen wheel he ended up someplace else than Tunisia when we saw, he proceeded to get Ben to kill Jacob, then after that ended up getting choked by Ben..

[ShatteredOne2007]

That's a very out of the box theory and I commend your mind of coming up with this. But, given when Locke was "ressurected" his demeanor changed drastically. And when we saw the MIB talking to Jacob, there are very large similarities between that man and Locke post-flight 316.

So again good job on that theory, but highly doubt it.

[galacticinquisitor]

Just trying to come up with any way that Locke can still be alive, or at least, that he wasn't a patsy in all of this.. Locke, to me, was always the hero in the story and I hope there's a way he still is somehow..

[ShatteredOne2007]

I've always been under the assumption that both Locke and Jack (and Desmond when he was introduced) were the heroes of the story. True, Locke is more proactive in trying to learn about the island, but Jack has slowly become like Locke.

Anyway, I likewise feel Locke was ultimately just a pawn of the MIB/Smokey/Jacob's adversary so that person could use Locke to kill Jacob. As painful as it seems, it seems Locke's 'destiny' was just to be a pawn of a bigger game.

[galacticinquisitor]

As likely as that may seem right now, I refuse to believe it until I see it.. I'm a "man of science" in such a respect..

[ShatteredOne2007]

I respect that view point seeing as how I was formerly a "man of science". I still believe i'm in some respects a man of science, but if there's a medium between science and faith, i'm slightly on the faith side.

And you are wise to refuse to believe the likely scenario since we are discussing Lost. I look forward to seeing Lost pull some random thing that baffles us and everyone else.

[ghostgate82]

@ollie8888888888 Actually I think Jacob is the "bad guy" and Seth (Man #2) is the good one. I can't prove this, but it would make sense when you take everything into account. I think Seth was the one who said "help me" in Jacob's Cabin. Only one more month until Season 6 starts and we can finally find out!!! LOL

[biba3]

remember what Jack told Richard ( if I were you I woudn "t give up on him)

I belive Locke soul is in that new LOCKE

[starwart1]

no, John Locke is dead as a doornail. Smokey is the "Un-Locke," now

[biba3]

how come they do this to us....I agree with Suther23 .if  this is how it ends with LOCKE ..then Iam soooo upset and sad :(

I hate the writers for what they did to Locke and all of us

[falling333]

lets hope they upgrade our view of "Locke" with some twist and turns