Oppositional Defiant Disorder vs. Conduct Disorder

[SimsenDK1]

it's absolutely ridiculous and disgusting to call disobedience a disorder... and an outstanding example of how diagnoses are made by those who cannot tolerate the behaviour of the people they diagnose..that said, of course the people who are diagnosed need some attention, love and care that they haven't yet been given, i order to become happy and content individuals. But to determine not liking the established as a disorder is ignorant and essentially, a disorder in itself...

[ometta7]

I love my nephew deeply, and I would do anything to make sure he didn't end up dead or in jail. He's not a bad kid. He shows remorse, somewhat, for his actions. He is even capable of altruistic behavior without any selfish intent on his part. I just want to help him, or at least understand what's wrong with him. I even told him about all this that I'm typing. His only condition was that I didn't use his name(he has warrants out for his arrest in some states).

[ometta7]

Perhaps the most disturbing thing I've noticed, one which chills me to even think about, is one time when he was asleep. He was sick from the flu and was pretty high on several different drugs, and he passed out on the couch. I was on the computer nearby when I heard him moving around. I got up and walked over to him to see that he was waving a very large kitchen knife around. I don't know where he got it. I took it from him, and he pulled out another one. He was asleep the whole time.

[ometta7]

He has casually confided in me several crimes he has committed, whether real or fabricated I cannot say, which would turn the stomachs of grown men to contemplate. He once told me of a time when he sliced open a large man's stomach with a chef knife while engaged in a knife fight outside of a bar. He said that he fled the scene afterward and, while he thought he saw the man getting up, he wasn't sure whether he had killed him or not.

[ometta7]

He uses drugs and smokes. I'm a bit ashamed to say that I've sometimes provided him with cigarettes in exchange for drugs which he has usually stolen from the purses of his mother or his aunts. After one week of hanging out with him, I learned of several different ways you could get high off of household things like paint thinner and cough syrup. Just last night we each tripped balls on Tylenol PM.

[ometta7]

His violence doesn't always have to be motivated by anger, although it's usually much worse when it is. He often randomly starts swinging at people for fun. Sometimes he actually hits them, sometimes he just does it to make the other person flinch so that he can laugh at them.

He never hits his mother, whom he appears attached to, but he often disobeys her directions and insults her to her face. When he wants to "play" with her, he'll jam his fingers into her belly and giggle sadistically.

[ometta7]

He has a very vengeful streak and will often retaliate to even the smallest slights with violence. My friend has been the victim of this aggression many times. He has been stabbed multiple times by my nephew, who has a fascination with knives and always tries to keep at least one on his person at all times. My nephew also tazered him with an illegally-acquired stun gun(the voltage set higher than police-issue models) over a joke which offended him.

[ometta7]

I think that my fourteen-year-old nephew might have ODD or Conduct Disorder, maybe both. He's aggressive, antisocial, and almost casually violent towards people. He will resist authority without relent, even if he would clearly benefit from doing what he is told and would suffer a worse punishment by resisting. He has been punished in just about every way you could legally punish a child, and nothing seems to have worked. He doesn't lie much, but he steals from and assaults people regularly.

[Mirani2]

There is no such as Oppositional Defiant Disorder- defiance (whether justified or not) is a conscious choice.

[djStrimmer]

I disgree. You are in error. In fact your position is not logical or reasonable. It is this wrong view which enables classic psychiatry to categorise all sorts of behaviour which are part of our evolutionary heritage as deviant. If a parent or friend was abusive of their care and you didn't know but trusted them because in your belief system you think they must be telling the truth because they are the parents you would be wrong. Why is locking away your only answer? It doesn't work.

[ThePsalm40]

It is a WONDERFUL disorder, who wants to be a sheep like everybody else. We have a right to be what we want if we are not hurting anybody else. This bs is just a ploy to control!!! SHAME ON YOU!

[ThisIsNotAFakeAcount]

@ThePsalm40 but when being different means you pull a knife on other kids when your only four, then it's a problem, my cousin has ODD and he did do that only because he knew his mother would freak out, he has an older brother and two older sisters and none act as he does, so it's not the parents

[Mirani2]

@ThePsalm40 I agree. All this bullshit about "authority questioning disorder" and ODD is bunk. Oftentimes the child at hand doesn't question authority for the sake of doing so, but is honestly questioning or even merely inquiring about why a certain thing is said or done a certain way.

I have a website dedicated to something along the lines of this: w w w . a u t i s m p o l i t i c s . t k

[ThePsalm40]

@Mirani2 It's just awful..just a nightmare..all these 90% of American parents are so screwed up that their pets are even neurotic. It is a horror to behold. to me? their children need to be held spoken to quietly constantly as the child wants/needs and kept away from most everything this disgusting society offers. These children have no chance anymore..back to the old old days is the only answer and letting them know about their creator,teaching them they came from monkeys?? My God help us!!

[butterflyfrills]

it was some help...thanks

[Adamtheflyer]

Pt 2: He became a monster. The way he swears at my mom regularly now as she attempts to discipline him has caused 2 mental breakdowns for her. He blames her for his addiction to marijuana and why he doesn't go to school anymore. He's been to jail 5 times and we've had to call the police 8 for his dangerous behaviour. He's 15. Never believe people with ODD either, they lie and seem to think they're doing nothing wrong. Everyone else has the problem, not them. It is a REAL mental disorder.

[BigCavone75]

@Adamtheflyer He will be ok...Don't put him on meds it will only get worse. Marijuana is not addicting. The kid is goin through something and I understand u r frustrated. I am 29 and had friends like ur bro when i was his age. The ones whos parents put them in jail and cast them away are the ones who never straiten out. Hey u may think I don't know what I'm saying, but I was that way too. People change. It will be rough but stick by him.

[Adamtheflyer]

Pt 1: I have a brother with conduct disorder. Everyone is quick to judge this, yet until someone lives WITH a person with this disorder, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO JUDGE IT LIGHTLY. People say bad parenting, honestly this is a mental disorder which strips the person from their basic morals. We grew up around family, we went on trips every year (disney, caribbean etc), we got good grades, our life was so typical. Two years ago, it completely changed.

[MsTiffyb]

@Adamtheflyer where did you see these videos? I am studying it and need a video...thanx

[Mirani2]

@Adamtheflyer LOOK FOR SOCIAL CAUSES, not psychological

[THEcNcSISTERS]

I have this & ADD. I have even begged my mom to let me see someone about it. My mom just put me in the hospital & jail instead

[RisuRoars]

@THEcNcSISTERS .....you begged your mom? why didn't she listen?

[RisuRoars]

@djStrimmer When people use it as an excuse to be lazy and not answer questions or deal with reality, then yes, it is a crock. But, if parents, friends, and others did all they could and the subject is/was defiant, then maybe they should be locked up? At least so they can't hurt anyone else. Just because something might happen doesn't mean it has to

[twilightmaze]

i kids not always be conduct disorder even if it's the way all other people percieves it. Social orders, law and so on cant put order into others when itself is in a state of disorder. The deference of order and disorder is that everything is in syncro with each other or against each others. Orders doesnt mean demands!! putting order into conduct disorder child doesnt always means demands them to follow your instructions or keep tolerating. The main point communication break down.

[bestwrmd]

learn how to teach your children. please do not drug them with poison pills. talk and care are the real solutions.

[alltrouble2]

@bestwrmd you apparently do not have a child with this "disorder". You can be a good parent & you can be a bad parent. Nothing helps. The school says they'll kick them out of school if somethings not done about them. So you're forced to medicate them. Period!

[jetsmets222]

Nice video, very informative.

[TheInsanityKiller]

Well anyways bye, sorry I was typing fast and I made errors, oh well.

[mrpark01]

LOVEkillRACISTS = conduct disorder.

[TheInsanityKiller]

Another thing I benefited from being threatening and agressiveness (non-violent) in the situation, I got a hug and an apology, I think scare tack-ticks work better than violence now a days. Also did I mention social phobia is bad, I overcame it though when we sat in a group and all my stress was gone, it was like heaven than and sitting there and having a conversation about things was really fun, best time I'll always remember.

[TheInsanityKiller]

We don't need meds to help us shit I tried it when I was diagnosed with ODD it didn't do shit. We need treatments for this not pills, I tried them, they didn't work. I didn't need them because I tend to focus, I usually get mad and I was essentially mad when I scared a girl named Haylee for insulting my brother, I tried a reversal, we almost had a friendship almost! But her friends recommended to be away from me cause they thought I was insane yeah righttt.

[TheInsanityKiller]

Conduct disorder is a reversal it is caused because you feel you wanna be bad, for us it's not like that all, we don't wanna be bad we try to be good but we get caused trouble sometimes, why do you think in Kindergarten I took a behaviour program it's because I was always trying to be cool and doing bad things because of being bullied and punched out for no reason. It pissed me off that my doctor diagnosed me with ODD and social phobia, I also tend to get along with these people with add/adhd.

[TheInsanityKiller]

I developed socially well as a kid, I had friends come over for birthday parties and I always went and did stuff that was fun, why are people so stereotypical of us being bad? We are really good it's just that sometimes we act out because people irritate us and annoy us to easily, this isn't a disease I believe or a mental disorder, it's just neglection and suffering for long because of hate directed for no reason, I could consider it just being different in a sense.

[TheInsanityKiller]

I have ODD and I have never committed a crime in my life, I don't see how it relates to conduct disorder, I mean I am not bad at all, I know they can develop better socially than us, because some of us suffer from social anxiety, that's what i suffer from also. Sometimes ODD can make you talk about the negative things for so long that it becomes hard to talk about the positive. That's where we can lack, most of us are usually negative cause of bad histories.

[Hollrobb]

there are times when i think i am going to have a stroke when dealing with my stepson. he will NOT learn anything, he gets in trouble (grounded) for something and the next day he will do the same thing and when he gets in trouble for it he acts like he never jnew that was wrong and he would get in trouble for it. every morning we have to beg/fight/ threaten,bribe him to get ready for school.

He has an answer (wrong) for everything he is told.

[Mirani2]

@Hollrobb Welcome to kid-dom. I mean, really, what were you expecting?

[Hollrobb]

@Mirani2 Well this wasnt it. He is now 16 and has been in trouble for hitting a teacher at school. We are just taking it one day at a time until he turns 18 and then he's on his own. Every day is a struggle from the time he wakes up until he goes to bed. He was put in a youth camp and after 1 month they said they wasnt equipped to handle him and sent him home. He was put in a hold position every day he was there and they got tired of his bull shit and said" come get him ASAP".

[Hollrobb]

@Mirani2 ,Never in my life have i seen a kid (14) fall down in the floor and scream/cry because he was told to turn off his video game and get in the car so we could take his mother to the ER with a high fever. I calmly said to him " Your mother is real sick and needs to go to the doctor " He replied "I dont care i worked hard to get to this point in the game "and put his fingers in his ear and said Blah Blah Blah. 

[Hollrobb]

@Mirani2 It's It's all a con,He fights and argues but when his case worker comes he sits in the floor and plays with toys. He knows just what to say and not to say to whom.Everything is an excuse for him. It's always someone else's fault and nothing he does is his fault and i will be surprised if he lives to see 20 if he keeps up with the smart mouth back talk. Not just to his mother and i but anyone that doesnt do for him what he wants.He will have to be institutionalized for life. 

[Hollrobb]

@Mirani2 ,BTW, what was you expecting?

[davidversusautism]

My 12 yr old son has ODD. I never imagined there could be something worse. How can parents find help for their children without meds? Everything is so very expensive and out of reach. We also have a child with autism.

[purplishpinkish]

thanks for posting! a great help indeed!

[tbyank19]

i agree i found out this past week that i have ODD and this helps me to understand me better plus so u know im 19