Michael Medved: the truth about gays & the holocaust

[jlwohio]

This is absolutely disturbing. Just because of your person view points against gays,, you just wipe them out from the holocaust. There are many in the world that say the holocuast didn't happen at all, Should we believe them? Such hateful discrimination.

[TheStrong32]

"They didn't murder the disabled" (2:58) ???? WTF???? They had outright euthenasia campaigns against the disabled. This guy is just lying through his teeth. At first I thoght maybe he just had an anti-gay agenda. Now I think he must have a pro-Nazi agenda.

[kenilaci]

all i can say is this man is FUCKED UP!!! sure i feel bad his extended family was killed also.. but that doesnt give him the right to say gays were not pointed out and killed also. and for saying that Hitler was gay as a defense that gays were not targeted, that is just stupid....gay bashers are gays who cannot accept their own sexuality due to fucked up people as this man is talking!!! i guess that makes Hitler the ultimate gay basher he targeted and murdered tens of thousands of gays

[kjs12533]

this dude is just another right wing idiot who thinks he has an answer for every argument against his opinion and would never say hmm maybe I'm wrong. Probably read the book how to win every argument but because he would never change his mind about anything he believes it makes him incapable of learning anthing new- typical republican

[suvariboy]

@4:00 - A gay character from SNL is being used as "proof" that gays weren't targeted by the Nazis?

[suvariboy]

Why is this still on YouTube. Medved is a homophobic crackpot who tells lies about the gay community. There is ample proof that gay people were targeted and killed by the Nazis, yet he uses the homophobic book The Pink Swastika as "proof" that gays were not killed for being gay. Not true.

[direwill]

So I say both groups suffered greatly but the fact is gay men formed the lowest group on the list. I am NOT an anti-Semite, but Medved seems to be claiming that Jewish suffering in WW2 was the greatest tragedy and is unique in history. Both are false. Finkelstein proved this in The Holocaust Industry. All human suffering is evil and all human suffering deserves to be mourned equally because the murder of one is the murder of all.

[direwill]

Medved's history is all wrong. There is ample documentation and personal accounts of the horrors perpetrated against gay men by Nazis. Note he said that you cannot equate what gay men went through with what Jews went through. Yet both groups were tortured, murdered, used as slaves and both were to be exterminated.

[jvclkb]

Is Medved Equating Homosexuality with Nazism?

[untoashes777]

pls tell this bullshit to all neo-nazis and skinheads

[DCFunBud]

Michael Medved, America's greatest Jewish Nazi. How's that for credibility?

[Tzedaqyal]

That is why some people believe that Hitler and the nazis were gays and 6 million Jews never was murdered and that the Jews murdered Jesus! A list of a few voices that dominate the media today are: John Hagee (CUFI), Pat Robertsson (CBN), Jerry Falwell, Bryan Fischer (AFA), Scott Lively (The Pink Swastika) and of course this man in the video.

[Tzedaqyal]

Not again! The Jew as a "substitute scapegoat for the sins of mankind". How people can change the meaning of the Torah, the Word of G-d, so we find ourselves in a position where we can say that G-d has condemned the Jews as a warning sign for others. As well as thanking G-d for disasters that happens to Israel and elsewhere. There are even preachers and scholars who travel around the world and preach that the Holocaust/Shoah never happened (deniers).

[Tzedaqyal]

הריני מקבל (מקבלת) עלי מצות הבורא: ואהבת לרעך כמוך I am taking upon myself the command of the Creator to "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."

[worldofdraculas]

Nazis didn't care if you were gay as long as you were a manly Aryan who would make big blond babies.

[DistortedFaiths]

"It's a lie to say homosexuals were a particular target". That is a completely horrible argument. There were a large amount of people in the same era of the Nazi invasion who were accepting themselves as homosexuals. I can't explain"why" the idea of homosexuality became more accepted in Germany, but there are enough statistics to back that they were. Hitler was against homosexuals because it was not a completely accepted idea, it was simply an idea that was - keyword: BECOMING - accepted.

[DistortedFaiths]

cont.

Hitler for the most part wanted the easier way to help out the country. Following the more traditional norm to not accept gays would be the easier approach. Why would he go out of his way for a new cause that was completely irrelevant to national socialism? This what Hitler and the Nazi party did, they killed gays. It made the "traditions" much more epitomized.

And to say Hitler had homosexual tendencies himself (which has no proof) doesn't even correspond to his ideologies whatsoever.

[DistortedFaiths]

cont.

A leader like Hitler was a mastermind at carrying out his plans in a short period of time. He wanted to boost back wealth for the Germans after the economic problems of WW1. Hitler acted as a leader who wouldn't wait hundreds of years for the economic problems to resolve on its own. If Hitler were concerned with homosexual rights it wouldn't work for his "simple solution". His strategy is obviously to "eliminate" which is apart of the "simple solution".

[DistortedFaiths]

cont.

The argument of Michael Medved completely avoids any evidence and draws delusional conclusions. He stated that "homosexuals weren't punished by the Nazis because they weren't sent to regular concentration camps", which is, again false. Whether or not they are sent to a concentration camp they were still punished: some even by death. There are literally gravestones of gentile homosexuals who were punished.

Before Michael Medved goes off in his ramblings he should consider the facts.

[Sage80]

Notice that those who are crying about this video are not arguing a single point that has been made? Just rampant emotionalism.

[Tzedaqyal]

Doesn't it sounds familiar? History repeats itself. Who is the victim, who is the perpetrator?

[Tzedaqyal]

Real policy was based on, the most prominent cultural figures - even if they disliked Nazism - kept quiet about this, especially so as not to provoke the powerful neighbor to the south to something rash. One could criticize the Nazis, but only implicitly.

[Tzedaqyal]

There is a story of how the government in Sweden between 1933 and 1945 was a vassal state to Germany to such a degree that they began to censor domestic Nazi critic. Censorship by Karl Gerhard's revue at Vasa Theater in Stockholm in the summer of 1940 culminated in the so-called "realpolitik" that the Swedish coalition government ran against Germany.

[Tzedaqyal]

...But over the land and across the seas my name again flew, for Spirit of freedom can not be placed in the grave. Proud and high as the sky, it was as an eternal flame lit to show the way to Penthéon for a humanity which forever was slaved in Babylon.

[Tzedaqyal]

...Chorus: I stand in the shadow of a boot; that is fettered to a military column. A rest of Prussian drill and of slavery from the ancient Babylonians. Among martyrs in Rome in the Emperor Nero's stadium I suffered the same distress, I died the same death I died in Babylon...

[Tzedaqyal]

...I am nothing, I'm all, I am freedom figure, I am the all-time high unmet ideals. I Science and Behavior, I am humanity and right. I, who should stand in the sun and worshiped as Vestal ...

[Tzedaqyal]

Oh, that makes me remeber an old song from the 30's: " Can you hear the marching of boots? "

[Tzedaqyal]

Watch the documentary "Paragraph 175".

[RCSVirginia]

Fortunately, the Michael Medveds of the world have very little influence in Europe. Europeans are not going to embrace his agenda, and they certainly are not going to pay much attention to his anti-gay propaganda and anti-European propaganda. If Europeans were allowing Medved to dictate to them, they would not have voted in 2007 in the European Parliament to specifically include homosexuals as holocaust victims. Also, the German government would not have issued an apology directly to gays.

[burbonboy]

Micheal medved can't go to heaven until hge accepts Jesus.  Just ask Ann Coulter. He needs to be "perfected"

[jwwindsor]

Take an enema, you're full of shit.

[davidpar2]

"having sex in public places, molesting children...the kinds of crimes involving 'gay behavior.' " medved is delusional, or thinking wishfully here, by blanketing these acts interpretively under a homosexual cloak. perhaps some of the pink triangles did represent (presumed) child molesters; hitler may indeed have been stupid enough to assume that the only child molesters in existence are homosexual men.  but as the contrary is also a matter of record, i'm certain medved knows better than that.

[davidpar2]

@davidpar2 (cont'd.) i can see how medved (may be) alluding to mentalities of the time about homosexuality with "the kinds of crimes involving 'gay behavior' that had been criminal before the nazis came to power..." the problem is, the first part of this wording is present tense and does not at all rule out the possibility that he is subscribing to the same general beliefs as hitler (apparently) had about homosexuality in relation to sex in public places/child molestation. 

[davidpar2]

@davidpar2 (i hate the limitation on characters per response) medved should have said something to the effect of "the kinds of crimes associated with 'gay behavior' at the time; those which had been criminal before the nazis came to power..." (if inded this statement is representative of his own thoughts on the matter)

[davidpar2]

approx. 5,000-15,000 men wearing pink triangles were imprisoned in the camps. the pink triangle represented "homosexual" or "believed to have engaged in homosexual behavior." and "homosexuality" at the time was regarded by the nazis as sexual behavior between two men. these are all matters of record; they are not matters of (legitimate) debate. the claim that homosexuals were not a particular target of the holocaust is bogus. they were indeed "particular targets," by definition.

[sarwjc]

molesting children is not homosexual behaviour you moron, do we not have enough hate of small minded idiots in the present day with out you trying to belittling our history. If the german country recognises it mistakes by erecting a monument what right does an american have to deny it? seriously how big is this mans ego that he can re write history to fit his beliefs

[YHWHisSovereign]

I wish all Americans would get off the illusion that homosexuals are a persecuted group and need protection. They committed horrible crimes in WWII. They don't have the moral foundations that normal people have. Anyone with a brain would agree that they commit horribly sick acts in their "gay parades". No parents, no matter how liberal they are, would want to bring their children to see these parades.

[TheThordir]

@YHWHisSovereign

Fuck you, you fascist pig. You are no better than Holocuast deniers who claim Hitler was a Jew.

[YHWHisSovereign]

@TheThordir Do you wear a pink swastika? I think it would fit you quite well.

[TheThordir]

@YHWHisSovereign

And now you wish people to be massacred? Typical elitist heterosexist snob. Either read a book, or go behind a bush and kill yourself, you degenerate.

[TheStationzero]

YOU FUCKING INTOLERANT FUCK!

[EmmaTwo]

Badly narrated, patronising language, dangerously innacurate.

[jscottupton]

I know nothing of this issue so someone should suggest books to read.

[YHWHisSovereign]

It is well documented that there were many homosexuals in the Nazi party. Homosexuals of today want to rewrite history and say that they were victims instead of the perpetrators.

[TheThordir]

@YHWHisSovereign

I want what you are smoking.

[gaygaguy19]

OMG!!!Is this man on crack or did he go to school!!!!!!!!!?????Yes ALOT of gays were killed bc they were gay....

[TWIZZLEism]

So that's why there is a memorial for homosexuals at the deathcamp, Dachau. I usually really like Michael Medved because he's a breath of fresh air among conservative voices on talk radio. It is so ridiculous to say that homosexuals weren't targets. The whole idea behind the concentration camps in world war two were to purify the race. Eugenics was the process over time through genetics to keep race separate in order to purify them. They wanted to wipe out what they saw as imperfection.

[theMediaFork]

@TWIZZLEism repeating the claims debunked in this clip and then saying "nuh uh!" is not a meaningful argument. why waste the time typing if you have no evidence to show any of the statements made weren't 100% accurate?

[TWIZZLEism]

@theMediaFork have you ever been to a concentration camp?

[BudWiser999]

The JEW GOONS just can't stop the HOLOCAUST TALK, the Anti-Semitic name calling, and the continuous hijacking of U.S. Taxpayer aid to Israel, and the broadcast media.

[rollypollyjoe]

He brushes aside the pink triangles, but the NAZI's devised a whole system of assigning classifications to different prisoners and homosexuals was a major category so there were even pink Stars of David for gay Jews. Easy to dismiss if you don't have to wear one.

[theMediaFork]

@rollypollyjoe nothing was "dismissed" in this clip and the triangles dont refute anything. this comment is incoherent. what are you even arguing? that marking people within a concentration camp is proof that those marks were specifically targeted more than anyone else? doesnt make any sense.

[rollypollyjoe]

@theMediaFork The act of singling out a group should not be dismissed. One of the major groups singled out for identification as prisoners was homosexuals as shown by the chart in question. In the Holocaust Museum, one of the panels talks about how Gypsies and homosexuals were selectively persecuted. Is this a fiction? Don't you see a pattern here? Homosexuals were also singled out for special persecution under Nazi law. The spirits of murdered gay men also cry out to not be forgotten. 

[rjpxxxx]

@rollypollyjoe Your arguments clearly defeat this theMediaFuck guy, though he'll just keep repeating his illogical mantra that we're all lying or misrepresenting him. He cannot cope with the truth, What bigot can? Doth he protest too much or is he a genuine cot case? In the end it doesn't matter. To build a better, more inclusive and tolerant world we need to forgive the clinically self-righteous, get them help if we can, then move on remembering the truth will always win out in the end.

[jusitke07]

Tsk, tsk...Medved obviously has never seen the Nazi pink Triangle that was used to identify Homosexuals that were subsequently sent to death camps with Jews.

[theMediaFork]

@jusitke07 actually they talked about that in the show. so. he has. and its not counter evidence to anything.

[Mgarner73]

5 MILLION CATHOLICS? REALLY? Were those not the ones that did the aquisitions? Were threy naught the ones who turned their back again? ...How sad the Catholic religion who spends millions on a man and yet have a people tHAT SUFFER....

[unclelight13]

Medved is the right wings nigger!

[doughboy1547]

@ 1:50 "It is a lie to say that homosexuals were a particular target."

The nazi's under Paragraph 175 arrested and either imprisoned or placed in concentration camps a reported 100000 homosexuals of which only 4000 survived. In addition the SS formed a special group to carry out the "reorientation" and/or extermination of homosexuals.

I suggest Medved leave revisionist history to the historians who unlike himself possess some semblance of critical intelligence.

[theMediaFork]

@doughboy1547 this makes no sense. "homosexuals were murdered in the holocaust" is a fact that neither you or your opponent disputes. you are drawing the fallacy from that fact that "because they died, they were specifically targeted". logic doesnt support that claim any more than the history records do, sorry.

[doughboy1547]

@theMediaFork fallacy? perhaps for viewers of faux news who have lost the capacity to understand that historical evidence is historical truth and can't be so easily rewritten. let's see - paragraph 175 specifically TARGETED homosexuals - the wearing of pink triangles specifically TARGETED homosexuals - the SS specifically TARGETED homosexuals. logic isn't used to support a claim - facts are - something tools like medved apparently cannot understand.

[maelstrom360]

What was the pink triangle for then, if not to classify them as gays?

Did others who were not gay wear a pink triangle?

Did not the German gov't apologize for gays being targeted in 2002, which in essence is a recognition that they were indeed classified as a group?

And why did the European Parliament include gays as victims of the holocaust 2007?

[theMediaFork]

identifying people in concentration camps is not proof of a group being specifically targeted. thats just silly.

the rest of your questions are the reason the book mentioned exists and the reason Medved brought it up. please pay attention. the whole point is that it is a politically correct myth that has entered the popular culture.

[rjpxxxx]

To QUOTE Medved, he wants to talk about "the most pernicious lies... about the holocaust... one that upsets me most ... a lie to say that homosexuals were a particular target..." He slanders those arrested for what he calls "the crime of being gay... [as] communists, agitators, child molestors". Himler said "We must exterminate these people root and branch... the homosexual must be eliminated." Auschwitz-Birkenau was one DEATHCAMP used to murder gays [Europ. Parl. 05]. Why deny the truth? SICKO

[theMediaFork]

Using logical fallacies to smear people uncovering the truth is not honorable even if your intention is to defend a minority.

Nazi officials hated a lot of people. Christians for example. but it would be just as fallacious and defamatory of history to bring up Hitler, Goering or Himmlers anti-Christian statements to claim that Christians were specifically targeted. Thousands Christians died, but lying about their focus is no honor to them and you do the same disservice to homosexuals.

[bandaidmafia]

Really interesting. Thanks for posting.

[rjpxxxx]

This is brazen revisionism of the horrors faced by gays under nazism and tells us a good deal about how poorly this blowhard understands primary source material and how monstrously he hates! Allied films actually show skeletal gay men being sent back by US troops into the camps because they were seen as "criminals". This idiot is actually telling us it's OK to brutalise gays - you just define them as criminal first. What ignorance! What moral terpitude. It isn't commentary it's hatemongering!

[theMediaFork]

@rjpxxxx your brazen revisionism of this audio clip isn't commentary, it's hatemongering.

at no point does anyone claim that gays were not brutalized during the holocaust and there is not even a hint of an implication of anything CLOSE to advocating brutalization of gays anywhere at any time. lying in order to make a point is not noble.

[rjpxxxx]

How convenient to hear only what you want to hear. To allow a cretin to trivialise the murders of thousands of homosexuals and the brutaisation of many, many thousands more, is to turn a blind eye to a moral outrage. And why aren't you outraged? Do there need to be millions of deaths to move you? What sort of selective historical blinkers are you wearing? Not surprisingly, current neo-nazis drivel-laden propaganda provides ample evidence of the same hateful, revisionist, antigay bigotry.

[theMediaFork]

@rjpxxxx stop lying as an excuse to give long winded speeches.

no one trivialized any murders. you are doing worse than selective hearing, you're just down right making things up. you dont listen clearly and you dont think clearly. stop embarrassing yourself.

[LarrytheShark1]

Excellent commentary as usual.

[rjpxxxx]

What embarrasses me is how the bleeding obvious goes right over your cretinous head. Medved smugly crows that homosexuality was illegal under nazism, but fails to say that after the camps gays faced continuing discrimination and were unable to use the law to speak out or seek redress - unlike other victims. It's truly sad that the legalised murder of gays continues around the world today [e.g., Iran, Somalia] and it will never stop while idiots like Medved continue to fan hatred and intolerance.

[theMediaFork]

What embarrasses me is how the bleeding obvious goes right over your cretinous head. Your big evidence of "fanning hatred and intolerance" is that he didn't change the subject to what you would rather he talk about... pathetic.

[jimmiepickles]

misinformed homophobe

[Icarusdecending82]

Do you have facts that prove otherwise?

[theMediaFork]

of course he doesn't. hence the absence of them..

[tideledi]

idiot

[Longfellow89]

Turn the sound on in the video