wrong he was a ssj vs dabura toriyama said the factor of a ssj2 is the lightening maybe he was a ssj2 in the anime but he was a ssj vs dabura gohan needs rage to go ssj2
@FireDavio42 That is pretty straight-forward, since we have two guidebooks confirming that he could and nothing in the manga contradicting that line of thought. In fact the manga supports it, so that's just fans either hating on Vegeta for no apparent reason or something else.
Awesome video. Gohan being SSjin 2 is such common sense that I simply cannot comprehend how people are actually willing to debate against it. This is the only issue in the series where people will actually debate against something that is both heavily implied in the manga and outright stated in an official guidebook.
@JackHamsterNoodles I think it's because the thought of Toriyama intending Gohan as a SSJ 2 in that fight, while not drawing him with lightning which every SSJ 2 before and after him and even himself at the tournament had is very unlikely. And people usually argue that either the Daizenshuus are not canon or that they made a mistake. It's pretty unlikely they made a mistake though, because they say Dabra is equal to Cell and that Gohan fought evenly with him, which SSJ Gohan can't do.
@dbgtFO Story-wise there's more evidence going for Gohan being SSJ 2. Before the fight, Kaioshin thinks the Saiyans are confident, because they can just go SSJ 2, if needed. During the fight, Gohan is losing and noone even considers that he could just go SSJ 2 to win and way after the fight, Kaioshin says multiple times that Gohan is far more incredible than what they first thought, which doesn't make sense, if his power was only = SSJ. Toriyama definetly set up a weird scenario IMHO.
@dbgtFO But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Although I would like to know what Toriyama was thinking, when making those chapters, we already have a retcon/clarification in the 7th Daizenshuu, so there really isn't any debate to be had anymore. Just fans, who hold on to their strict "Manga above all Policy" or who believe it was a mistake, because a prior Daizenshuu implied that he didn't use SSJ 2 after the tournament, even though later statements always hold more value, than the first.
lol I love your sound effect of Dabura getting punched.
capefeather 1 month ago
Gohan was SSJ2, but Toei forgot to add or too lazy to add the electricity around their aura or body.
you can see the electricity gone a few times during the fight with Perfect Cell too.
in the manga, he was clearly a SSJ2.
he only got 1 hair strain, not two. that mean SSJ2.
sumnib41687 5 months ago
@sumnib41687
wrong he was a ssj vs dabura toriyama said the factor of a ssj2 is the lightening maybe he was a ssj2 in the anime but he was a ssj vs dabura gohan needs rage to go ssj2
pakl123456 3 months ago
We need a video on whether or not Vegeta could go es es jay too before the majin power up.
FireDavio42 9 months ago
@FireDavio42 That is pretty straight-forward, since we have two guidebooks confirming that he could and nothing in the manga contradicting that line of thought. In fact the manga supports it, so that's just fans either hating on Vegeta for no apparent reason or something else.
dbgtFO 9 months ago
@dbgtFO Well, that's why I said it. I think it's pretty straight forward Gohan was SSJ2.
FireDavio42 8 months ago
@FireDavio42 Ahh, I see what you're getting at.
dbgtFO 8 months ago
Clearly ssj2. Gohan has one bang and can't solo worth a darn. :P
Ahiru77 9 months ago
IS HE SSJ2 in the battel.
shashanktripathi1 10 months ago
dasavage is finally on the SSJ2 Wagon.
HDYUFFUHVU 10 months ago
Lol, 1:27 is fucking hilarious.
Hell, this whole video is fucking hilarious. Way to go, man.
KamikazePyro13 10 months ago
dabura not dabra and its ss not ssj
thefranticle 10 months ago
@thefranticle
Super Saiyajin.
SSJ
Japanese version.
iamhungey12345 10 months ago
@iamhungey12345 i know its japanese but if u speak english u should do the english version
thefranticle 10 months ago
@thefranticle
Go to HFIL :D
iamhungey12345 10 months ago
Awesome video. Gohan being SSjin 2 is such common sense that I simply cannot comprehend how people are actually willing to debate against it. This is the only issue in the series where people will actually debate against something that is both heavily implied in the manga and outright stated in an official guidebook.
JackHamsterNoodles 9 months ago
@JackHamsterNoodles I think it's because the thought of Toriyama intending Gohan as a SSJ 2 in that fight, while not drawing him with lightning which every SSJ 2 before and after him and even himself at the tournament had is very unlikely. And people usually argue that either the Daizenshuus are not canon or that they made a mistake. It's pretty unlikely they made a mistake though, because they say Dabra is equal to Cell and that Gohan fought evenly with him, which SSJ Gohan can't do.
dbgtFO 9 months ago
@dbgtFO Story-wise there's more evidence going for Gohan being SSJ 2. Before the fight, Kaioshin thinks the Saiyans are confident, because they can just go SSJ 2, if needed. During the fight, Gohan is losing and noone even considers that he could just go SSJ 2 to win and way after the fight, Kaioshin says multiple times that Gohan is far more incredible than what they first thought, which doesn't make sense, if his power was only = SSJ. Toriyama definetly set up a weird scenario IMHO.
dbgtFO 9 months ago
@dbgtFO But in the end, it doesn't really matter. Although I would like to know what Toriyama was thinking, when making those chapters, we already have a retcon/clarification in the 7th Daizenshuu, so there really isn't any debate to be had anymore. Just fans, who hold on to their strict "Manga above all Policy" or who believe it was a mistake, because a prior Daizenshuu implied that he didn't use SSJ 2 after the tournament, even though later statements always hold more value, than the first.
dbgtFO 9 months ago
Gohan spend so much time with his Nintendo Wii during the timeskip, what a lazy bum.
iamhungey12345 10 months ago
Hahaha. Only you, Savage.
Seiyanashi 10 months ago
Es-Es-Jay-One
Never heard of it said that way.
TheDivineWinds 10 months ago 12
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dasavage68 10 months ago 15
Ha! Sounds great!!
Turlast 10 months ago
Bad writing... that's how it's possible.
daveyboi03 10 months ago 15
@dasavage68 Ah, I see. Makes sense. I might try something of the like on my own.
snapaholic1 10 months ago
Lol Savage. How'd you play with the voices like that though? What program did you use.
snapaholic1 10 months ago