Robots and Consciousness

[Henshoo]

@burnvictim77 Consciousness is one thing we are all conciousness expressing itself simultaneously..robots could never have conciousness but they could have awareness, conciousness to a robot would be like an update to a computer if they put a human brain into a robot im sure it couldn't experience conciousness because it comes from dna.

[OrdinaryPaulOP4]

you're yummy

[KreepsWillKill]

we'll have MP3's answering the phone if we feel like talking, and songs to reflect your mood x) haha

[saxygurl8]

Great ending ;)

[homerthompsonman]

this is just like that Dawkins Quote: "we are not merely descended from apes, we are apes".

in this case: we are not just like machines, we are machines.

[Censeo]

When we design animals by making up DNA sequenses from scratch, that would be some sort of robot programming actually... so, must there be DNA in the robots we design for them to ever have any chance to be conscious?

Now, when we do chatbots, we focus on simulation so we know it is false, however convincing. They have no ears or eyes or smell, yet they chat like they've experienced stuff. Even if they could fool anyone, they aren't conscious at least the way they claim.

[fabienporay]

i liked the video

[XionXXXX]

Can the Internet become Conscious?

Maybe it will try and control us in the future.

[jotatsu]

Thats why the turing test was set, if you cannot have an objective standard between a good copy and an original then you most label both as the same.

[dexarouskies]

Sadly, you should not have pulled out your battery.

I don't think that robots will ever be conscious in the same way that I don't think that pen and paper will ever be conscious, since there is ilttle difference between the two, in spite of the illusion that computers and robots give.

[burnvictim77]

Only problem here, Gary, is that we have no way to justify the belief that others are conscious.

[dexarouskies]

This is true, but for the sake of your sanity, I recommend taking that on faith.

[burnvictim77]

Sure, but then, for my sanity, why must I also assume that only human brains possess this thing when I meet something completely indistinguishable?

[dexarouskies]

You don't have to assume this, but if you want to assert that every inanimate object could well be conscious, it trivializes the meaning of consciousness such that there is no longer anything interesting about it worth discussion, since it is common in all things, you can basically "cancel" it out, as they do in mathematics as being a distinguishable quality of things.

[burnvictim77]

No, no. Let's back up a sec. I'm asserting that if I met a *person* who was indistinguishable from a person during interaction, and concluded they were in fact a person, but then found out they were actually a robot, THEN there is no justification to retract the initial assessment.

Though, I have a feeling you'll find a clever way to disguise what little dogma you possess and assert that because a robot is made of physical matter, it cannot posses a soul.

Well... What are humans made of?

[dexarouskies]

in the part where you say that you found out that they were a robot, it would mean that they were the same person. You could not in fact find this out, since you claimed in part A that they were indistinguishable from a person. How can you now retract that and claim that they are distinguishable?

[burnvictim77]

Through the normal course of human interaction, indistinguishable. That is - you don't cut open a human's brain to confirm it is a normal, biological constructed brain. The hypothetical robot in question passes all the normal tests for INTERACTION, but upon internal inspection, there is no doubt it is a robot.

Does that make sense?

[dexarouskies]

yes, crystal clear.

[burnvictim77]

And... no response?

[dexarouskies]

if such a thing were possible, then I would agree with you.

[burnvictim77]

Okay. An agreement has been reached! Alert the news media. Peace between the Garys.

[dexarouskies]

There is a difference between what I believe is true, and what I can successfully argue based on reasonable observations. But in general, it seems that a person can't really go very far with just reasonable observations. I cannot even prove that it's the city garbage picking up my garbage every week.

[dbat1225]

hahaha great ending

[MCTMD1]

Oh shit!!! It's Skynet! Run!!!

[hollytoo]

Personally speaking, I am quite convinced that many things we consider "inanimate" are actually more conscious than quite a few people that I've met. That sounds trite but I'm serious.

[turnbacktime]

LOL

[007HaterGuyAgain]

LOL,nice set up:-D

[miselaineeous]

I see no reason "robots" can't become conscious and maybe even self aware if they're complex enough in the right way, but they'd need to be based off of some sort Cellular Automata software that would learn/grow. It's far fetched that we could ever "build" an instantly conscious robot, but rather we'd build it with a set of learning/growing rules and see if it works! We'd have no way of knowing for sure, but it would be a big clue if the robot tries to tell us it's conscious before we ask it.

[miselaineeous]

I KNEW it!!!!

[exkaryote]

hahahahahahaahaah

[logicaust]

GIN! Awesome! I like Bombay Sapphire myself (Bacardi make it).

I think it's an example of infinite regress; we don't know how we came about, yet we proclaim that we are sentient and have consciousness.

However, I'm not sure that it's logical to then say that a robot *couldn't* develop a sense of self-awareness. Further, what if the robot created "living" things?

I think the answer, were one to exists, is tied to whatever metaphysical system one justifies their reasoning with.

Peace.

[Cutman74]

DAMNIT Model-x38 JGH! I programmed you to not take you're batteries out!

[shameoncanada]

An interesting clip about rat braincells grown in a lab being used to control a simple robot.

watch?v=1-0eZytv6Qk

[NihilistZealot]

No wonder I think of you as the energizer bunny of YT

[shameoncanada]

I think the question is how would you ever be able to prove that roboGary is not really conscious? What experiment would you devise to demonstrate his lack of consciousness?

[shameoncanada]

Gary is a robot and you don't want to know where his batteries go. LOL

[shameoncanada]

Bears aren't conscious?

[sweaterpuppies1]

Gary is a super computer built by Skynet come back from the future to pwn Alan.

Its true!

[robotsound]

i do believe that some scientist did write a computer program that would create jokes. i will try to find the info on it because the science of humor is deep.

[Libertarianist]

Make drunk videos more often. lol

[robotsound]

yes. the robot is.

[guidotnb]

Who turned the camera off, rendered the video, and uploaded it to YouTube? I'm glad the unnamed scientist included a system that keeps respiration going while his batteries are out.

[G4RDNER]

You're so drunk you have forgotten to post this as a response. I hope somebody puts your batteries back inn soon.

[burnvictim77]

That's because of the sponsor thingee. It's pretty dumb, like robots.

[G4RDNER]

Hm, conscious but not too clever! That's where we humans shall prevail! We would never pull our batteries out like that! Poor innocent Garybot. I suppose it comes down to experience and expectation, I suppose it is possible, but I think unlikely. Again I say though that consciousness needs to be defined before it could be replicated. There's alot that makes up our consciousness which is very complex and even now not fully understood so replicating that would be difficult. We aren't computers

[G4RDNER]

That's a modern analogy really, which attempts to illustrate certain processes, but hardly covers the full picture. What of the subconscious and what of dreams my lad? Eh?

[burnvictim77]

And I don't think we need to be able to define a thing before we can replicate it. Takes genes as an example. We've been passing them on long before we knew they existed. And it is quite possible to create consciousness accidentally, even without knowing "what it is."

While we aren't computers, we are physical systems that work by electrical impulses. So... I don't think it is all that unlikely.

[G4RDNER]

Yes but passing our genes on is a whole different kettle of fish. I do understand what you're getting at. But then if we don't know what consciousness is how could we know we have created it, accidentally or not? Which of course can be turned around and back to your original argument. I don't know for sure that you are a conscious being but it seems the most likely explanation based on the available evidence.

[burnvictim77]

So, here's your challenge: design a test that can confirm whether a being of any kind is conscious.

[G4RDNER]

Ok. First define what you mean by 'conscious' and I will set to work. :)

[EdEditz]

Shit! Someone plug him back in!

[CousinoMacul]

I knew it!!!!