@Emillll My bad, I mean I was at Canadacup most recently and I've only seen Daigo Umehara place 4th at NorCal, and likewise at various tournaments as of late. I shook hands with Mago, dranks some beers and played some games with top level jap players, Tokido is pretty cool, but I wouldn't know a thing tbh.
Maybe its the alcohol, but please do take note of credit where it is due, yes the japs overall are still better, but the POINT was the skill gap is a lot closer in SF than BB.
Yeah the gap is closer for the reasons you said. I don't think the Blazblue gap is giong to get smaller, considering the game is being played less and less in the US, while it's still played quite a lot in Japan. I'm not even sure the US will be given a qualifier spot in SBO for Blazblue next year.
@Emillll Well, the game is actually growing in popularity for north america from what I've personnaly seen/heard, but the gap will at the very least take a long time to tighten closer together that's for sure. Honestly, going by your profile I really do hope Canadacup is just the beginning of more 'major tournaments', because I do know for a fact that the Canadian fanbase is growing, if slowly, and I would love to see our homeland be able to support it more.
Regarding the Canada Cup...I don't think Calgary was the best place to host it. There is a higher concentration of "good" Canadian players in Ontario (more specifically, the Toronto area). Not sure how many Toronto players flew over to Calgary but many were saying that Calgary is sort of in the middle of nowhere and does not have as many good players.
Right now, it looks like JSMaster is Canada's big player but still has ways to go.
@Emillll Ontario has had trouble for years trying to get any media or attention to it's area for 'higher level of play tournaments'. Calgary just happened to get its shit together and made something happen. Btw; Daigo using Ibuki and Mago using Sakura = win XD.
Whoo boy, looking back at my past comment do I feel silly. If only I had known back then compared to all I know now I wouldn't have made that comment.
Aside from using super jumps, wouldn't it have been more viable to throw a spark bolt for magnetism, then abusing Magna-Tech Wheel to gravitate as well as suck in Nu, and then Rapid once he got there into a 360?
No offense to the others. There isn't anything wrong with the Tager player, in fact this Tager is amazing. I play tager pretty decent so I can tell what he was trying to do most of the time. The current Mike would rip this Nu for sure, but the old mike was a fart in the face, terrible tager compared to Galileo at the time this battle was going on. I bet this Galileo is a lot better now and since there is no Nu BS in BBCS he would completely tear apart Lambda if they were to have a rematch! :P
@Emillll Trust me, current Mike will Rip this Lambda, but it mite be close if he picks Nu. Mike doesn't fall for that shit anymore. If you could tell, I think it was in the third or second round Galileo BSledged Nu, in which this case, he could have gone into a 5C > 6A collider for almost half of nu's hp, then he has the option to bolt or superjump cancel a whiff string into a 720, it would have been game. If it was Mike, he would have done this. Galileo lacks offense, he just waits for mistakes
I'm not really sure how you can say he would "rip this lambda", when this player is not playing lambda.
It won't be close at all. It's not that Galileo lacks offense - it's that he respects that Nu at the highest level, can counter anything on reaction pretty easily. Mike Z would be more offensive because there are NO Nu players in the US that are as good as the ones in Japan, and that offense will get him slaughtered.
Nu is overpowered. Since you can easily tell from this vid how powerful her zoning is I do not think any tager player AT THE TIME could have beaten this Nu. However, Mike and Galileo will kill this player now in CS because there is no Zoning bullshit and since Arcade Fire87 and Goryus both went from nu to lamdba, I bet this player did the same. Besides,how can he be the best Tager player if he dropped a Bsledge for a chance to win the game. He DROPPED a BSLEDGE follow!
I know she's overpowered. It's not fair to talk about Lambda being played exactly like this Nu, because it's not the same character. Obviously the Lambda player would adjust their game to new changes to the Lambda character.
Dropping a sledge isn't a reason to not be the best Tager (or one of the best).
@Emillll Yes, of course it's not very fair, but since when was Nu very fair? She zones out the whole map :/
And when you say that this tager is pro from dropping a Bsledge really scares me... All im saying is that in this vid, the tager did adequately, I've seen much better 720 setups, combos, attempted combo resets and what not...
I really wanna play CS so I think we should leave it at this: This tager mite be really pro, but he fucked up bigtime in this match. He cant afford that against nu
How is dropping a B sledge definitive of being a pro Tager? Daigo drops dps and sometimes gets dps instead of fireballs.
It's not fair to talk about what better setups you've seen out there because firstly, Galileo has probably done them already. The point is to consider the matchup and what Tager can do here, and what he did with his opportunities. He made the best of them. I don't think he fucked up anywhere in this match aside from attempting a couple sledges and getting punished.
@Emillll thats besides the problem. the fact that he tried for another Bsledge without trying for 5C is quite astonishing. Besides, dps are harder to input that a neutral C... fireball and dp have similar inputs, so that is understandable. You're like my parents. Stop repeating what I can already see from this vid and your past comments. Galileo eating swords all day isn't going to get him anywhere and if you play tager you would kno he fucked up many times not only on sledge and followups.
Actually I got a better idea. Tell me how Galileo (or some other Tager) could have played this matchup. If Tager jumps or superjumps at Nu, she can do a sword blockstring that will actually push him back further than he was when he started. Too bad that's his fastest and less risky way of getting in, since if he walks in, he risks getting hit by swords...which is why he has to take one or two steps at a time.
B sledge punishable on reaction by swords and 3C, 2D punishable by swords.
@Emillll Well sure, no prob. I'll try to fit it in.
So if it was tager (lets just say Galileo) you can see a pattern in her zoning. When Nu is cancelling her crescent moon and using j.2D tager should try for aorbsledge then. Tager does not have much option in this matchup. If nu uses neutral C that is also aorbsledgeable. Thats pretty much your only way of getting in. superjump actually does not put you farther if he can try for it during crescent moon cancel. Basically he has to get in somehow
Nu was already waiting for Tager to sledge after j2D, that's why she was cancelling to airdash afterwards, she can get away.
Also when I mentioned 3C, I didn't mean 3C being done randomly. It's actually very easy to do 3C on reaction to a B sledge(A sledge, maybe not but it wouldn't have helped much at the range he was at).
No Tager can't superjump after her crescent saber cancel...i already tested this, she has a blockstring easy to do on reaction that takes him all the way back.
@Emillll I highly doubt Galileo saw this in the middle of a match tho. It's a lot harder to analyze during a match. Nu had a zoning pattern that Galileo could have read by the end of round 1. Bsledge is punishable, however he can barrier block or backdash if Nu goes for a 3C or any C in fact. 2D is quite useless against nu if she plays a zoning game unless you can buffer it for a 360 on nu's wakeup. Galileo needs to find a way in its the only way tager can win in this matchup...
@Emillll One or two steps at a time wont help anything. SuperJump cancelling is even better than what he was doing because if he is unpredictable with his jump Nu mite screw up. Also, the fact that his collider resets werent working were fatal too. Pretty much any tager in high level play will lose to Nu if they cant get in, and this is what happened. There are ways of getting in, though. Sledge and superjump/jump is his best bet, and with sparkbolt too
Tager being unpredictable with his jumps won't screw up a good Nu, because it actually isn't hard to determine what kind of jump Tager did. She has pushback attack strings against any jump tager does.
Sparkbolt was used effectively by Galileo as it made Ribaia afraid to throw swords. The problem is...if Tager guesses wrong, the threat is gone. When Tager had sparkbolt, Nu only did swords when Tager was in the air. It's a very hard guess for Tager when he should throw sparkbolt.
The point really, was to show that Nu can counter anything Tager does on reaction very easily and the onlyl way Tager can win is to hope that Nu messes up. Mike Z would make all the mistakes that this Nu is already watching for against Galileo (which Galileo doesn't make). Who's the best Nu player that Mike Z has access to, Goryus? Goryus(while good in the US) is nothing compared to almost any Japanese Nu player
@Emillll I agree that Goryus is not as great as Jap Nu's. However Japs arent THAT much better than him, and how can you say this guy is the best if even I can follow up a Bsledge at that time. Im holding that against him :P Any Tager would get pissed off at Nu, but the fact that this tager dropped Bsledge and risked the round due to that (he did win the round tho) astounds me, especially since you state that this is the best taygar player evar! and btw, Arcade Fire is better than japs :P
It's hard to say you would have been able to followup B sledge at that time, since you weren't actually in the match yourself, being overwhelmed. It's pretty obvious that most people, when they finally get an opportunity, will mess it up because the whole match they've been thinking of just getting the opportunity.
I don't think you really understand this matchup from your comments. Mike Z would have died quickly if he plays the same way as he plays against Goryus and other Nus.
@Emillll Does that mean Galileo is unclutch 0.o You are simply stating his shortcomings at the time. It also seems like you are hating on Mike Z because you think he doesn't even have a chance.
And yes I do not understand this matchup. You know just because I own both CT and CS (got both on launch) and I main Tager and have played countless Nu's who do the same thing that doesn't mean I know this matchup. I get frustrated all the time just blocking my way through I'm sure he was too.
I'm "hating" on Mike Z because he gets brought up a lot and people don't get it. They see him beasting on people with inferior skills, making his Tager look better than it really is. Sure, he's a good player but things change a lot when your opponents are a lot better. He can't play his Tager the same way against a Japanese Nu like Ribaia, he'll get crushed. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually (after enough losses) he changes his style to Galileo's in this video.
@Emillll Really, it just seems like tager is just blocking all day in this video, not much to learn -.- I do admit Tager does not have a lot of options, but Since I've just kept witnessing Galileo getting over and over again in multiple videos (tao, litchi and what not) I do not really understand why you are taking his side. Try and ask the good ol' Mike Z himself if he copied galileo :o
@Emillll I can't say you are wrong in this case, though. It seems you are being a bit racist stating pretty much all american players suck cock compared to japs. I already told you to leave it at "This tager mite be really pro, but he fucked up bigtime in this match. He cant afford that against nu" you don't have to win every debate on youtube you know. I don't even know why you are still held up by me stating this tager screwed up, which he did T.T
Because he didn't really screw up. And yes, he's blocking because he's playing the matchup based on considering everything there is to consider about the matchup. It's called respecting the situations. If you want to ignore all matchup information and just superjump/sledge around praying the opponents mess up, then you're playing luck fighter.
@Emillll what does screwing up have to do with situationals? what's called respecting the situations? what does matchup info have to do with luck fighter? Tager plays lucky, thats how people sometimes win, the opponent screws up.
And if you play only based off looking at matchup you should really watch the vid "tiers are for queers" that shits pro :P just cuz he has a disadvantage doesn't mean he cant win. He's tager, wheres the comeback magic?
@Emillll And i never said Galileo isn't pro. Im simply saying he screwed up and I already told you how, you're just gonna have to acknowledge it. In fact, the best thing about him is his blocking game, much better than Mike Z by far
Happy? :D
lets leave it at that I've commented so much I think its a waste to talk anymore now you can gather info from other comms i put down :P BB
@Me2NiK On higher level play, one can say he really did fuck up, maybe bigtime is an exaggeration but he did :/ not sure if you play the game, but i think you can tell from other comments I put stating what he fucked up on. The matchup is definitely not good, but dropping ins is just ignorant.
@Me2NiK@Me2NiK On higher level play, one can say he really did fuck up, maybe bigtime is an exaggeration but he did :/ not sure if you play the game, but i think you can tell from other comments I put stating what he fucked up on. The matchup is definitely not good, but dropping ins is just ignorant.
@DxClow 99% of american's do suck cock against jap's because the general japanese playstyle counter's the way american's play. go look up SBO finals for blaz and guilty gear, and tell me when an american beat out a jap for top 3
@Ltdangle78 I seriously cant believe you read all of that xD
I never stated that americans are better. And I never said any american has made it to top 3 for bb, not sure about gg tho.
Oh, and what about that other 1% :D I wonder who mite that be. but in all seriousness if you brought an all american bb team to japan i highly doubt they would lose first round, which means some can somewhat hold their own against them. Winning SBO is a different story tho... Too many good japs xD
Well actually in the two years that SBO had BlazBlue, ALL US teams lost first round against the Japanese. This year was no exception, they got slaughtered.
@Emillll I didnt mean the people that made it to SBO are "all american teams." I find that Jan got rly lucky against Pozerwolf (if that was the match i dont remember). And I highly doubt they would lose to every jap in SBO, for all we know they couldve gotten matched with that darned Tao first.. :/
And by slaughtered, you mean get double perfected, or just lose by a bit? I thought mayb this year we had a better chance, i guess Tager is really terrible in all high level circumstances, but ragna?
I don't know exactly who they fought but all the Japanese teams are roughly the same skill level, some marginally better. But this level that they are at is way above the American level.
@Emillll That's more due to the fact that they practice much more though than the American players in question, and get the game to play much earlier, no?
@Shockna basically what you are saying is Japanese are better because they had more practice and only because they had more practice, the basis being that americans and japanese are actually equal when it comes to arcade gaming. Maybe for MMO but not for arcades.
@ShindyK2 What I'm saying is that they're better because they have, 1) More practice, and 2) A better competitive culture that fosters more dedication.
The Japanese players are not better because they're Japanese, or by more intelligence, or any other intrinsic quality. If America had the same arcade culture Japan did, America would probably be around the same level of general skill, give or take a little. The claim that somehow being Japanese makes you inherently better is racist idiocy
@ShindyK2 You think I don't acknowledge that they're better 90% of the time? They are. I'm just smart enough to realize that it's due to cultural differences and not racial ones.
In what way can the americans compete against the Japs in SF? the US's top players aren't even on the level of Japan's midlevel ST players, and the same goes for SF3 3S. the US's level in SF4 is improving but they still can't compete with the best players like Momochi, Daigo, Mago, Tokido, etc.
@Emillll I'm starting to winder if you even know how tager screwed up in the matchup. All tagers prolly cant win agaisnt a nu of this caliber, that I understand, but seriously tager screwed up and you are going to look at that. Now you are probably asking me how he screwed up...
2 missed possible collider resets (nu was already on the ground)
Wasted 1 rapid
Dropped a followup on bsledge
he did eat millions of swords, But he was really good at IB. I noticed Galileo's blocking game is very good.
Eh, Mike Z is a much lower player than Galileo or most Japanese Tager players. Instead of dieing slowly (like Galileo did), Mike Z would have died quickly.
@Emillll Better to die quickly and leave a dent. Then die slowly and do nothing. Seriously mike z wouldve hurt him so how and thats better then what galileo did here it doesnt matter.
And what would have Mike Z done that Ribaia wasn't obviously looking for? You know that Galileo respected Ribaia because he knew if he did the typical stuff that say, Mike Z would do, he'd just die right away right? There's really nothing Tager can do if the Nu player is being careful.
@Emillll Not saying hes not better im saying its not entertaining and whats the point of even playing if its un winnable? You act as though Mike z is predictable and he wouldnt get a hit in. Still the fight was really boring either way. Careful Nu players make me sad. Cant wait until the next game. Lambda is gona be cooler and take far more effort for people.
New to the game... but this is high level play? It just looks like sword spam, a high level player will use the same tactic as a person that has never played a fighting game?
Notice how most of the time Nu only throws swords when Tager jumps? Why do you think Tager jumps to get in? He can't dash, he can't run, and walking is risky because you have to advance slowly (or you will walk into a sword).
Most low level players will just say "well he can just use sledge to go through", but that will get Tager killed at the distances that Nu maintains between her and Tager...you have to keep all these things in mind, these players know all the spacing, the beginners don't
you're right when you said your new to the game, didn't you notice the 40+ hit combos ribaia sometimes does? when she burst in purpose to break tager's gard, how tager blocked nearly all the swords? that's high level play, a noob new wouldn't stand a chance against this tager and a noob tager wouldn't stand a chance against this nu...
*sigh* Tager didnt use spark bolt because when Tager did have spark bolt, Nu was very cautious and mainly threw swords when Tager jumped...while periodically throwing them while he was standing (randomly enough that it is very difficult to guess/react to when she will throw it, and if you Tager wastes his spark bolt, then Nu will not need to fear it anymore).
@3:24 35 hits and more than a quarter of damage done?! arakune can get off more hits and still not do that amount of damage. this proves to me nu is a bit overpowered.
that nu was amazing. it's forcing me to practice with her more. i can hold my own against tagers but i really liked the mindgames that guy used against the tager player.
The simple fact of this match is, Tager was out thought. There were times when he would've won the game if the Nu had made a mistake or made a larger mistake. There were points when he could've done this or that instead of what he did.
But that's not really an argument you can make because you cannot say "well, what if Nu had not blocked that Spark Bolt? What if Tager Hammer after jumping over Nu's 5D instead of blocking?" etc
"Only weaklings lament the hand that fate handed them."
I've seen better Tagers, but this match up is extremely gay for Tager.
Then again, Tager has mostly bad match ups against everyone but himself and Hakumen (most of his match ups are 40-60 or worse). IMO- this is more of an example of how Tager needed the CS buffs rather than Nu being OP.
Keep in mind that his match ups against Carl and Arakune are worse than they are with Nu..
Whenever I get a substantial life lead in this match up (as Tager), I try to run out the time. In tournament anyway. That's just how you have to play.
At this level of playing tier list really matters something, but how many Ribaia or Reria or Inoue are in the whole world? What i mean, ok v-13 can be really an asshole for Tager but what's shown in this video is the same we would see if Daigo was playing with Dan and Mago with Sagat.
This matchup is why I quit playing the game. Arc apparently feels the need to make all of their throw characters take up a 1/4 of the screen and be slow as molasses. They really dropped the ball with Tager. This game is just a prettier version of GG but with less substance.
That's why they crippled the shit out of Lambda (the new Nu considering there's no more Nu due to story purposes) and buffed the hell out of Hakumen and Tager. With the changes they made in the sequel, Tager's a HELLUVA lot better.
Well that may be because there is no zoner like Nu in AC. The worst you got there is a zoning testament. And even then its standard zoning and not overwhelming full screen annoying energy sword things...
Not that this matchup isn't lopsided, it is, and something needs to be done about it, but...Nu vs Tager is NOT the worst matchup in the game, unlike what many people seem to think. In fact, it isn't even Tager's worst matchup.
Last I checked (which is a while back, so it coulda changed), Hakumen vs Arakune was 2-8 (Tager vs Nu is 3-7 for reference). When was the last time you heard complaining about this matchup? Maybe I'm just out of touch and it is happening, who knows.
I think Nu vs. Tager is 9-1 for Nu and the tierlist was overlooked. It's one of those matchups that can be played perfectly by Nu regardless of how good the Tager is.
It's my opinion, based off what I've seen of practically all high level Nu vs. Tager matches and my knowledge of the game. The 7-3 matchup listed on the tierlist just doesn't seem to matchup with the results at all, which is why I was so surprised to see it.
Do you actually think to yourself "why is this matchup 7-3?" as opposed to blindly reading the list?
I do think about it, and I believe that 7-3. Unlike what this vid description says, that tager did not play as "perfect as humanly possible". Tager has one hell of a hard time against Nu, but it's not impossible. He did win the 3rd round, didn't he? It only takes Tager like two approaches and combos to decimate Nu. If he can win a round, he can win a match.
Again, yes, it's in Nu's favor, definitely, but it's not a lost cause for Tager, and most certainly not 9-1.
He won the third round because Ribaia got gutsy, attempting two 5D's, the second one being when Tager was in range of a sledge. It was an unnecessary play on his part. Also the end of that round was a one time gimmick that probably won't work on Ribaia if done a second time.
Right, that's how every Nu vs Tager match goes. Swords fly everywhere, they're blocked for an hour straight, 4k dmg happens when one hits, Nu wins: Perfect.
And the moment the Nu player fucks up in any way, Tager happens and androids die. Fast.
In theory, if both players play perfectly, Nu will win everytime. Of course she will, that's how it is with every advantageous matchup. But these aren't machines playing, they're human. They WILL make mistakes, and it's up to Tager to make them hurt.
Depends what you call a mistake. Mistakes like choosing to do swords at ranges that Tager can punish is what I consider a mistake that should not affect a tierlist because it's such a big mistake, whereas say, blocking the wrong way in a 50/50 high/low mixup, isn't really a mistake.
Tierlists are based off the highest level gameplay where mistakes are practically non-existent. At that high level, mistakes that allow Tager to get in, should practicaly never happen.
Keep in mind that those matchup stats are pretty new and the topic of "worst matchup" is pretty subjective to begin with.
The main problem with this matchup is that most of the time Tager literally cannot move. The problem as a consequence of that is that Tager has to be standing right next to you to do anything at all unless he has spark bolt charged (which blows in this matchup just because Nu can put so much crap on the screen that she can counter hit or knock down at almost any time.)
I wouldn't say it's unfair. It's not impossible to beat her. Some characters take more effort to use than others obviously. However, Nu can be defeated. More matchup experience is the key.
The problem is that Galileo here is one of the best Tagers, with an insane amount of experience...at this high level, the Nu/Tager matchup is pretty much impossible.
Jesus, every video LobeliaM72 goes to he manages to insult someone, It seems that he is new to the internet, because on the internet, people have what we call opinions, and it seems that if someone has a opinion that is different from his, he gets all pissy like a little baby, He needs to grow the fuck up and learn that people think differently then he does, cuz until he does he needs to get the fuck off our internets and take his fail with him...
lol its funny i use both of these fighters alot tager main v13 sub and tao as a joke character and i still feel sad watching tager lose lol good shit though
I think that anyone who thinks Nu is bullshit or overpowered is a fucking scrub who doesn't know how to play BlazBlue. Learn to play the fucking game, then come talk to me, you bunch of whiny little faggots.
You realize that that was one of the best Tagers, period, against one of the best Nus, period, right? That video showed that Nu is clearly overpowered. Those 2 in the videos are far beyond scrubs and far far far beyond you.
I only play Tager and I didn't see any clean sledge opportunities that wouldn't have ended up with Tager getting a 6C Counter hit to the face. Tager's best bet at getting close in this match-up is Super jumping C. But this Nu counted on that. Hence all the small jumps into anti air swords. its too bad he's so tall and heavy. Yet he's as light as everyone else when he's getting comboed lol. Lvl 42 65% win rate only ranked matches. Like it matters.
Emillll, I actually get what you're trying to say now. I see that spark bolt wasn't very effective when it came to the Nu player's zoning game. Very cautious indeed, but I guess you have to be when tager gets a free combo dealer.
Sledge oppertunity: 0:20, 0:22, 0:24, 0:29, 0:38, 0:46. See what I'm getting at? At least look at the video and watch for gaps. You see a lot of them.
Those aren't gaps, you nullwit. If Galileo tried Sledgehammer at any of those moments (one of which is... in the air? Do you even play this game?) he would have eaten a followup and BEEN SENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE HE STARTED, THAT'S JUST HOW THIS MATCHUP WORKS (or rather, doesn't.)
I've seen enough videos and read enough topics on this matchup being played by real, experienced players that I'd say the actual data is on my side. Sledge isn't some magical cure-all attack that levels the playing field between you and whatever zoning character, it's a tool with its own distinct strengths and weaknesses and unless you're careful with its use you could very well end up further back than where you started.
Online levels (which can be grinded anyway) have no meaning here.
lol, sledge does not go full screen...only about half. The majority of those times you claimed he could sledge, he would have actually landed out of range and get punished.
*some* of those times you claimed, his sledge would get him into range but only if Nu decided to do a sword after the sledge came out...instead, she would have seen the sledge, backdashed and punished it.
While I can see where you're coming from, I would have to disagree, good sir.
I, for one, have seen multiple times where a Tager has gotten onto a Nu who did nothing but sword. If that Nu tried to jump, it would either be atomic colider, or jump B or j.2c.
Plus, with one of those opening when he had the spark bolt he could of used that for MASSIVE SOVIET DAMAGE!
I just tested...if Tager superjumps, all Nu has to do is 2DD, jumpback DD, fake overhead, air 2DD as she is coming down, and Tager is pushed back to where he started his jump (in fact, a bit further back) while Nu is in the same position.
@Emillll My bad, I mean I was at Canadacup most recently and I've only seen Daigo Umehara place 4th at NorCal, and likewise at various tournaments as of late. I shook hands with Mago, dranks some beers and played some games with top level jap players, Tokido is pretty cool, but I wouldn't know a thing tbh.
Maybe its the alcohol, but please do take note of credit where it is due, yes the japs overall are still better, but the POINT was the skill gap is a lot closer in SF than BB.
GeseIIschaft 1 year ago
@GeseIIschaft
Yeah the gap is closer for the reasons you said. I don't think the Blazblue gap is giong to get smaller, considering the game is being played less and less in the US, while it's still played quite a lot in Japan. I'm not even sure the US will be given a qualifier spot in SBO for Blazblue next year.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Well, the game is actually growing in popularity for north america from what I've personnaly seen/heard, but the gap will at the very least take a long time to tighten closer together that's for sure. Honestly, going by your profile I really do hope Canadacup is just the beginning of more 'major tournaments', because I do know for a fact that the Canadian fanbase is growing, if slowly, and I would love to see our homeland be able to support it more.
GeseIIschaft 1 year ago
@GeseIIschaft
Regarding the Canada Cup...I don't think Calgary was the best place to host it. There is a higher concentration of "good" Canadian players in Ontario (more specifically, the Toronto area). Not sure how many Toronto players flew over to Calgary but many were saying that Calgary is sort of in the middle of nowhere and does not have as many good players.
Right now, it looks like JSMaster is Canada's big player but still has ways to go.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Ontario has had trouble for years trying to get any media or attention to it's area for 'higher level of play tournaments'. Calgary just happened to get its shit together and made something happen. Btw; Daigo using Ibuki and Mago using Sakura = win XD.
GeseIIschaft 1 year ago
And this lengthy argument was basically a lengthier version of "this guy sucks, I can do better"
ShindyK2 1 year ago
I dont understand why Tager doesnt just use Sledge!!!!!
USE SLEDGE TAGER!!!! THEN SLEDGE HAMMER!!!!
then Magna tech Wheel, be smart use those invincibility frames.......
Id charge up and use Spark bolt and then rush in with Sledge's then fake charge/ buffer a 720 Boom chaka lacka
DeathDealerFox 1 year ago
@DeathDealerFox
He would get punished for doing sledge, Ribaia was waiting for sledges the whole time.
Emillll 1 year ago
Seriously, this is probably the gayest match I've ever seen in my entire life. I'm glad Lambda isn't broken.
4znBoiix 1 year ago
Whoo boy, looking back at my past comment do I feel silly. If only I had known back then compared to all I know now I wouldn't have made that comment.
PhoenonX 1 year ago
Aside from using super jumps, wouldn't it have been more viable to throw a spark bolt for magnetism, then abusing Magna-Tech Wheel to gravitate as well as suck in Nu, and then Rapid once he got there into a 360?
digiangel234 1 year ago
No offense to the others. There isn't anything wrong with the Tager player, in fact this Tager is amazing. I play tager pretty decent so I can tell what he was trying to do most of the time. The current Mike would rip this Nu for sure, but the old mike was a fart in the face, terrible tager compared to Galileo at the time this battle was going on. I bet this Galileo is a lot better now and since there is no Nu BS in BBCS he would completely tear apart Lambda if they were to have a rematch! :P
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
eh, how would the current Mike beat this Nu? The Mike Z of now isn't really close to Galileo in this video, so I don't see it happening.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Trust me, current Mike will Rip this Lambda, but it mite be close if he picks Nu. Mike doesn't fall for that shit anymore. If you could tell, I think it was in the third or second round Galileo BSledged Nu, in which this case, he could have gone into a 5C > 6A collider for almost half of nu's hp, then he has the option to bolt or superjump cancel a whiff string into a 720, it would have been game. If it was Mike, he would have done this. Galileo lacks offense, he just waits for mistakes
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
I'm not really sure how you can say he would "rip this lambda", when this player is not playing lambda.
It won't be close at all. It's not that Galileo lacks offense - it's that he respects that Nu at the highest level, can counter anything on reaction pretty easily. Mike Z would be more offensive because there are NO Nu players in the US that are as good as the ones in Japan, and that offense will get him slaughtered.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Uhhhh hold up.
Nu is overpowered. Since you can easily tell from this vid how powerful her zoning is I do not think any tager player AT THE TIME could have beaten this Nu. However, Mike and Galileo will kill this player now in CS because there is no Zoning bullshit and since Arcade Fire87 and Goryus both went from nu to lamdba, I bet this player did the same. Besides,how can he be the best Tager player if he dropped a Bsledge for a chance to win the game. He DROPPED a BSLEDGE follow!
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
I know she's overpowered. It's not fair to talk about Lambda being played exactly like this Nu, because it's not the same character. Obviously the Lambda player would adjust their game to new changes to the Lambda character.
Dropping a sledge isn't a reason to not be the best Tager (or one of the best).
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Yes, of course it's not very fair, but since when was Nu very fair? She zones out the whole map :/
And when you say that this tager is pro from dropping a Bsledge really scares me... All im saying is that in this vid, the tager did adequately, I've seen much better 720 setups, combos, attempted combo resets and what not...
I really wanna play CS so I think we should leave it at this: This tager mite be really pro, but he fucked up bigtime in this match. He cant afford that against nu
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
How is dropping a B sledge definitive of being a pro Tager? Daigo drops dps and sometimes gets dps instead of fireballs.
It's not fair to talk about what better setups you've seen out there because firstly, Galileo has probably done them already. The point is to consider the matchup and what Tager can do here, and what he did with his opportunities. He made the best of them. I don't think he fucked up anywhere in this match aside from attempting a couple sledges and getting punished.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll thats besides the problem. the fact that he tried for another Bsledge without trying for 5C is quite astonishing. Besides, dps are harder to input that a neutral C... fireball and dp have similar inputs, so that is understandable. You're like my parents. Stop repeating what I can already see from this vid and your past comments. Galileo eating swords all day isn't going to get him anywhere and if you play tager you would kno he fucked up many times not only on sledge and followups.
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
Actually I got a better idea. Tell me how Galileo (or some other Tager) could have played this matchup. If Tager jumps or superjumps at Nu, she can do a sword blockstring that will actually push him back further than he was when he started. Too bad that's his fastest and less risky way of getting in, since if he walks in, he risks getting hit by swords...which is why he has to take one or two steps at a time.
B sledge punishable on reaction by swords and 3C, 2D punishable by swords.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Well sure, no prob. I'll try to fit it in.
So if it was tager (lets just say Galileo) you can see a pattern in her zoning. When Nu is cancelling her crescent moon and using j.2D tager should try for aorbsledge then. Tager does not have much option in this matchup. If nu uses neutral C that is also aorbsledgeable. Thats pretty much your only way of getting in. superjump actually does not put you farther if he can try for it during crescent moon cancel. Basically he has to get in somehow
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
Nu was already waiting for Tager to sledge after j2D, that's why she was cancelling to airdash afterwards, she can get away.
Also when I mentioned 3C, I didn't mean 3C being done randomly. It's actually very easy to do 3C on reaction to a B sledge(A sledge, maybe not but it wouldn't have helped much at the range he was at).
No Tager can't superjump after her crescent saber cancel...i already tested this, she has a blockstring easy to do on reaction that takes him all the way back.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll I highly doubt Galileo saw this in the middle of a match tho. It's a lot harder to analyze during a match. Nu had a zoning pattern that Galileo could have read by the end of round 1. Bsledge is punishable, however he can barrier block or backdash if Nu goes for a 3C or any C in fact. 2D is quite useless against nu if she plays a zoning game unless you can buffer it for a 360 on nu's wakeup. Galileo needs to find a way in its the only way tager can win in this matchup...
DxClow 1 year ago
@Emillll One or two steps at a time wont help anything. SuperJump cancelling is even better than what he was doing because if he is unpredictable with his jump Nu mite screw up. Also, the fact that his collider resets werent working were fatal too. Pretty much any tager in high level play will lose to Nu if they cant get in, and this is what happened. There are ways of getting in, though. Sledge and superjump/jump is his best bet, and with sparkbolt too
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
Tager being unpredictable with his jumps won't screw up a good Nu, because it actually isn't hard to determine what kind of jump Tager did. She has pushback attack strings against any jump tager does.
Sparkbolt was used effectively by Galileo as it made Ribaia afraid to throw swords. The problem is...if Tager guesses wrong, the threat is gone. When Tager had sparkbolt, Nu only did swords when Tager was in the air. It's a very hard guess for Tager when he should throw sparkbolt.
Emillll 1 year ago
@DxClow
The point really, was to show that Nu can counter anything Tager does on reaction very easily and the onlyl way Tager can win is to hope that Nu messes up. Mike Z would make all the mistakes that this Nu is already watching for against Galileo (which Galileo doesn't make). Who's the best Nu player that Mike Z has access to, Goryus? Goryus(while good in the US) is nothing compared to almost any Japanese Nu player
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll I agree that Goryus is not as great as Jap Nu's. However Japs arent THAT much better than him, and how can you say this guy is the best if even I can follow up a Bsledge at that time. Im holding that against him :P Any Tager would get pissed off at Nu, but the fact that this tager dropped Bsledge and risked the round due to that (he did win the round tho) astounds me, especially since you state that this is the best taygar player evar! and btw, Arcade Fire is better than japs :P
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
It's hard to say you would have been able to followup B sledge at that time, since you weren't actually in the match yourself, being overwhelmed. It's pretty obvious that most people, when they finally get an opportunity, will mess it up because the whole match they've been thinking of just getting the opportunity.
I don't think you really understand this matchup from your comments. Mike Z would have died quickly if he plays the same way as he plays against Goryus and other Nus.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Does that mean Galileo is unclutch 0.o You are simply stating his shortcomings at the time. It also seems like you are hating on Mike Z because you think he doesn't even have a chance.
And yes I do not understand this matchup. You know just because I own both CT and CS (got both on launch) and I main Tager and have played countless Nu's who do the same thing that doesn't mean I know this matchup. I get frustrated all the time just blocking my way through I'm sure he was too.
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
I'm "hating" on Mike Z because he gets brought up a lot and people don't get it. They see him beasting on people with inferior skills, making his Tager look better than it really is. Sure, he's a good player but things change a lot when your opponents are a lot better. He can't play his Tager the same way against a Japanese Nu like Ribaia, he'll get crushed. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually (after enough losses) he changes his style to Galileo's in this video.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Really, it just seems like tager is just blocking all day in this video, not much to learn -.- I do admit Tager does not have a lot of options, but Since I've just kept witnessing Galileo getting over and over again in multiple videos (tao, litchi and what not) I do not really understand why you are taking his side. Try and ask the good ol' Mike Z himself if he copied galileo :o
DxClow 1 year ago
@Emillll I can't say you are wrong in this case, though. It seems you are being a bit racist stating pretty much all american players suck cock compared to japs. I already told you to leave it at "This tager mite be really pro, but he fucked up bigtime in this match. He cant afford that against nu" you don't have to win every debate on youtube you know. I don't even know why you are still held up by me stating this tager screwed up, which he did T.T
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
Because he didn't really screw up. And yes, he's blocking because he's playing the matchup based on considering everything there is to consider about the matchup. It's called respecting the situations. If you want to ignore all matchup information and just superjump/sledge around praying the opponents mess up, then you're playing luck fighter.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll what does screwing up have to do with situationals? what's called respecting the situations? what does matchup info have to do with luck fighter? Tager plays lucky, thats how people sometimes win, the opponent screws up.
And if you play only based off looking at matchup you should really watch the vid "tiers are for queers" that shits pro :P just cuz he has a disadvantage doesn't mean he cant win. He's tager, wheres the comeback magic?
DxClow 1 year ago
@Emillll And i never said Galileo isn't pro. Im simply saying he screwed up and I already told you how, you're just gonna have to acknowledge it. In fact, the best thing about him is his blocking game, much better than Mike Z by far
Happy? :D
lets leave it at that I've commented so much I think its a waste to talk anymore now you can gather info from other comms i put down :P BB
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow He fucked up big time? Clearly you and I are not watching the same match.
Me2NiK 1 year ago
@Me2NiK On higher level play, one can say he really did fuck up, maybe bigtime is an exaggeration but he did :/ not sure if you play the game, but i think you can tell from other comments I put stating what he fucked up on. The matchup is definitely not good, but dropping ins is just ignorant.
DxClow 1 year ago
@Me2NiK @Me2NiK On higher level play, one can say he really did fuck up, maybe bigtime is an exaggeration but he did :/ not sure if you play the game, but i think you can tell from other comments I put stating what he fucked up on. The matchup is definitely not good, but dropping ins is just ignorant.
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow 99% of american's do suck cock against jap's because the general japanese playstyle counter's the way american's play. go look up SBO finals for blaz and guilty gear, and tell me when an american beat out a jap for top 3
Ltdangle78 1 year ago
@Ltdangle78 I seriously cant believe you read all of that xD
I never stated that americans are better. And I never said any american has made it to top 3 for bb, not sure about gg tho.
Oh, and what about that other 1% :D I wonder who mite that be. but in all seriousness if you brought an all american bb team to japan i highly doubt they would lose first round, which means some can somewhat hold their own against them. Winning SBO is a different story tho... Too many good japs xD
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
Well actually in the two years that SBO had BlazBlue, ALL US teams lost first round against the Japanese. This year was no exception, they got slaughtered.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll I didnt mean the people that made it to SBO are "all american teams." I find that Jan got rly lucky against Pozerwolf (if that was the match i dont remember). And I highly doubt they would lose to every jap in SBO, for all we know they couldve gotten matched with that darned Tao first.. :/
And by slaughtered, you mean get double perfected, or just lose by a bit? I thought mayb this year we had a better chance, i guess Tager is really terrible in all high level circumstances, but ragna?
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow
I don't know exactly who they fought but all the Japanese teams are roughly the same skill level, some marginally better. But this level that they are at is way above the American level.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll That's more due to the fact that they practice much more though than the American players in question, and get the game to play much earlier, no?
Shockna 1 year ago
@Shockna Its a question of whether Americans or Asians are smarter. In which case its a stupid question.
ShindyK2 1 year ago
@ShindyK2 How is this a question of intelligence?
Shockna 1 year ago
@Shockna basically what you are saying is Japanese are better because they had more practice and only because they had more practice, the basis being that americans and japanese are actually equal when it comes to arcade gaming. Maybe for MMO but not for arcades.
ShindyK2 1 year ago
@ShindyK2 What I'm saying is that they're better because they have, 1) More practice, and 2) A better competitive culture that fosters more dedication.
The Japanese players are not better because they're Japanese, or by more intelligence, or any other intrinsic quality. If America had the same arcade culture Japan did, America would probably be around the same level of general skill, give or take a little. The claim that somehow being Japanese makes you inherently better is racist idiocy
Shockna 1 year ago
@Shockna ehh, this interwebs argument is gonna go on forever, so im just gonna drop it. really no use trying
ShindyK2 1 year ago
@ShindyK2 If you honestly think that Japanese people are better gamers by genetics, please do. Also, never have children. ⌐_⌐
Shockna 1 year ago
@Shockna cool story brah, I dont feel like shoving 20 million cases of koreans/japanese winning over foreigners on a youtube commentary.
ShindyK2 1 year ago
@ShindyK2 You think I don't acknowledge that they're better 90% of the time? They are. I'm just smart enough to realize that it's due to cultural differences and not racial ones.
Shockna 1 year ago
@Shockna I agree with you, why do you think americans can compete more or less with the japs in SF? Because of the larger community.
GeseIIschaft 1 year ago
@GeseIIschaft
In what way can the americans compete against the Japs in SF? the US's top players aren't even on the level of Japan's midlevel ST players, and the same goes for SF3 3S. the US's level in SF4 is improving but they still can't compete with the best players like Momochi, Daigo, Mago, Tokido, etc.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll
DxClow 1 year ago
@DxClow lol my bad i acidentally pressed reply.... :P
DxClow 1 year ago
@Emillll I'm starting to winder if you even know how tager screwed up in the matchup. All tagers prolly cant win agaisnt a nu of this caliber, that I understand, but seriously tager screwed up and you are going to look at that. Now you are probably asking me how he screwed up...
2 missed possible collider resets (nu was already on the ground)
Wasted 1 rapid
Dropped a followup on bsledge
he did eat millions of swords, But he was really good at IB. I noticed Galileo's blocking game is very good.
DxClow 1 year ago
Poor tager, reduced to nothing more than a puncing bag
SergentSNAFU1 1 year ago
If you look closely like 50% of the Tager's blocks were IBs too. Very lopsided matchup, but isn't Carl even worse for Tager? Like 2:8 or something.
killatrooper 1 year ago
I feel sorry for Tager.
Jesus Christ thats a lot of blocking.
CoronaMage 1 year ago
boring
Mike Z would have ripped nu a new one, pun intended!
1Destiny2 1 year ago
Eh, Mike Z is a much lower player than Galileo or most Japanese Tager players. Instead of dieing slowly (like Galileo did), Mike Z would have died quickly.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Better to die quickly and leave a dent. Then die slowly and do nothing. Seriously mike z wouldve hurt him so how and thats better then what galileo did here it doesnt matter.
ManowarHeigou 1 year ago
And what would have Mike Z done that Ribaia wasn't obviously looking for? You know that Galileo respected Ribaia because he knew if he did the typical stuff that say, Mike Z would do, he'd just die right away right? There's really nothing Tager can do if the Nu player is being careful.
Emillll 1 year ago
@Emillll Not saying hes not better im saying its not entertaining and whats the point of even playing if its un winnable? You act as though Mike z is predictable and he wouldnt get a hit in. Still the fight was really boring either way. Careful Nu players make me sad. Cant wait until the next game. Lambda is gona be cooler and take far more effort for people.
ManowarHeigou 1 year ago
I don't think the Tager vs. Nu matchup is about predictability. It's that Nu has an answer (that is easy to react to) for anything Tager does.
I didn't find the battle boring honestly. More action doesn't necessarily mean less boring.
Emillll 1 year ago
Fuck Nu, kudos to Galileo for winning that one match
StaticShock13 2 years ago
New to the game... but this is high level play? It just looks like sword spam, a high level player will use the same tactic as a person that has never played a fighting game?
ghettobelmontes 2 years ago
Notice how most of the time Nu only throws swords when Tager jumps? Why do you think Tager jumps to get in? He can't dash, he can't run, and walking is risky because you have to advance slowly (or you will walk into a sword).
Most low level players will just say "well he can just use sledge to go through", but that will get Tager killed at the distances that Nu maintains between her and Tager...you have to keep all these things in mind, these players know all the spacing, the beginners don't
Emillll 2 years ago
you're right when you said your new to the game, didn't you notice the 40+ hit combos ribaia sometimes does? when she burst in purpose to break tager's gard, how tager blocked nearly all the swords? that's high level play, a noob new wouldn't stand a chance against this tager and a noob tager wouldn't stand a chance against this nu...
Warriorkiller666 1 year ago
@Warriorkiller666 I'd say that there's hardly any Tagers that can stand a chance against a careful Nu.
RagingWolf 1 year ago
@RagingWolf yeah that you got it right, Nu is so OP in this version, can't wait for CS...
Warriorkiller666 1 year ago
I wonder why this Tager never ever used Spark Bolt.
PhoenonX 2 years ago
*sigh* Tager didnt use spark bolt because when Tager did have spark bolt, Nu was very cautious and mainly threw swords when Tager jumped...while periodically throwing them while he was standing (randomly enough that it is very difficult to guess/react to when she will throw it, and if you Tager wastes his spark bolt, then Nu will not need to fear it anymore).
Emillll 2 years ago
@Emillll lol@sigh
gilimanolo 1 year ago
Do Nu players feel good or skilled when they beat a Tager?
MongooseDave2 2 years ago
Was this even a real match what is this i dont even...
ManowarHeigou 2 years ago
FCK NU SOOO HARD. God damn that was so obnoxious
Omahazu 2 years ago
I would fk her hard too my friend.......me too
TheDarkWall 2 years ago 2
I don't see how backdashing is a good thing against Nu unless Tager is in the corner. It actually hurts his goals of getting in on her...
Emillll 2 years ago
why do Galileo use more 236B or 236A?
kosakad 2 years ago
you mean why doesn't use it? Because it's suicidal.
Emillll 2 years ago
loved how that nu used BB to open up Tager's guard to rip out a killer combo
chaostrigger14 2 years ago
Oh Galileo...
They should have gave him the win after that DD
whitley1 2 years ago
@3:24 35 hits and more than a quarter of damage done?! arakune can get off more hits and still not do that amount of damage. this proves to me nu is a bit overpowered.
wacko4joeflacco 2 years ago
number of hits is irrelevant...
Emillll 2 years ago
wow, three perfects by Nu..............
StaticShock13 2 years ago
that nu was amazing. it's forcing me to practice with her more. i can hold my own against tagers but i really liked the mindgames that guy used against the tager player.
excellent matches from both players.
cookiehours 2 years ago
God japanese Nu is annoying, thank god there is an english alternative.
FoxyAreku 2 years ago
The simple fact of this match is, Tager was out thought. There were times when he would've won the game if the Nu had made a mistake or made a larger mistake. There were points when he could've done this or that instead of what he did.
But that's not really an argument you can make because you cannot say "well, what if Nu had not blocked that Spark Bolt? What if Tager Hammer after jumping over Nu's 5D instead of blocking?" etc
"Only weaklings lament the hand that fate handed them."
underwatercookie 2 years ago 2
I've seen better Tagers, but this match up is extremely gay for Tager.
Then again, Tager has mostly bad match ups against everyone but himself and Hakumen (most of his match ups are 40-60 or worse). IMO- this is more of an example of how Tager needed the CS buffs rather than Nu being OP.
Keep in mind that his match ups against Carl and Arakune are worse than they are with Nu..
tinymon 2 years ago
after all the A spam, your distortion drive gets pretty full. learn to punish hard with distortion counters. 120%! THE POWER OF MAGNETISM!
theriverdragon 2 years ago
who is your advice directed to? Definitely not the players in the video right?
Emillll 2 years ago
nope. just players who are looking to exploit nu's holes to the fullest.
theriverdragon 2 years ago
Tager's distortion finish felt so great after getting annoyed by that sword spam.
DaftMANIA 2 years ago 2
triple perfect, ggpo
kilekun 2 years ago
Whenever I get a substantial life lead in this match up (as Tager), I try to run out the time. In tournament anyway. That's just how you have to play.
LeftyHangsLower 2 years ago
i feel sorry for tager.
my jaw dropped when that guy did two supers with nu.
cookiehours 2 years ago
At this level of playing tier list really matters something, but how many Ribaia or Reria or Inoue are in the whole world? What i mean, ok v-13 can be really an asshole for Tager but what's shown in this video is the same we would see if Daigo was playing with Dan and Mago with Sagat.
Jabhack 2 years ago
This matchup is why I quit playing the game. Arc apparently feels the need to make all of their throw characters take up a 1/4 of the screen and be slow as molasses. They really dropped the ball with Tager. This game is just a prettier version of GG but with less substance.
strafer 2 years ago
That's why they crippled the shit out of Lambda (the new Nu considering there's no more Nu due to story purposes) and buffed the hell out of Hakumen and Tager. With the changes they made in the sequel, Tager's a HELLUVA lot better.
w0ahsz 2 years ago 2
Yeah but that doesn't make their grapplers bottom teir.
Potempkin does fine in Acore +
teepofoulu 2 years ago
Well that may be because there is no zoner like Nu in AC. The worst you got there is a zoning testament. And even then its standard zoning and not overwhelming full screen annoying energy sword things...
Hartxenon 2 years ago
Absurd. Laughed when the Tager got super buster.
snaffu1 2 years ago 5
Wrong.9-1 is Carl-Tager.
Nu is 7-3
direwolfy 2 years ago
9-1??
srsly? o.o
i'm guessing its becos of infinte clap/air throw loop?
donnk 2 years ago
Carl-Tager is actually 8-2. If any Tager needs complain about any character, it's Carl. You're right about Nu though.
alteredtranquil 2 years ago
It's 8-2, in carl's
teepofoulu 2 years ago
Not that this matchup isn't lopsided, it is, and something needs to be done about it, but...Nu vs Tager is NOT the worst matchup in the game, unlike what many people seem to think. In fact, it isn't even Tager's worst matchup.
Last I checked (which is a while back, so it coulda changed), Hakumen vs Arakune was 2-8 (Tager vs Nu is 3-7 for reference). When was the last time you heard complaining about this matchup? Maybe I'm just out of touch and it is happening, who knows.
Icekin23 2 years ago 3
I think Nu vs. Tager is 9-1 for Nu and the tierlist was overlooked. It's one of those matchups that can be played perfectly by Nu regardless of how good the Tager is.
Emillll 2 years ago
You "think" as in this is your opinion, or as in this revised matchup list claims so?
Like I said, It's ben a while since I checked, but it used to be 7-3. If it's changed, could you link me this new chart? I'm curious about it.
Icekin23 2 years ago
It's my opinion, based off what I've seen of practically all high level Nu vs. Tager matches and my knowledge of the game. The 7-3 matchup listed on the tierlist just doesn't seem to matchup with the results at all, which is why I was so surprised to see it.
Do you actually think to yourself "why is this matchup 7-3?" as opposed to blindly reading the list?
Emillll 2 years ago
I do think about it, and I believe that 7-3. Unlike what this vid description says, that tager did not play as "perfect as humanly possible". Tager has one hell of a hard time against Nu, but it's not impossible. He did win the 3rd round, didn't he? It only takes Tager like two approaches and combos to decimate Nu. If he can win a round, he can win a match.
Again, yes, it's in Nu's favor, definitely, but it's not a lost cause for Tager, and most certainly not 9-1.
Icekin23 2 years ago
He won the third round because Ribaia got gutsy, attempting two 5D's, the second one being when Tager was in range of a sledge. It was an unnecessary play on his part. Also the end of that round was a one time gimmick that probably won't work on Ribaia if done a second time.
Emillll 2 years ago
Right, that's how every Nu vs Tager match goes. Swords fly everywhere, they're blocked for an hour straight, 4k dmg happens when one hits, Nu wins: Perfect.
And the moment the Nu player fucks up in any way, Tager happens and androids die. Fast.
In theory, if both players play perfectly, Nu will win everytime. Of course she will, that's how it is with every advantageous matchup. But these aren't machines playing, they're human. They WILL make mistakes, and it's up to Tager to make them hurt.
Icekin23 2 years ago
Depends what you call a mistake. Mistakes like choosing to do swords at ranges that Tager can punish is what I consider a mistake that should not affect a tierlist because it's such a big mistake, whereas say, blocking the wrong way in a 50/50 high/low mixup, isn't really a mistake.
Tierlists are based off the highest level gameplay where mistakes are practically non-existent. At that high level, mistakes that allow Tager to get in, should practicaly never happen.
Emillll 2 years ago
wrong
Ltdangle78 2 years ago
hsahahahah emil you are retarded
HenakiX 2 years ago
Keep in mind that those matchup stats are pretty new and the topic of "worst matchup" is pretty subjective to begin with.
The main problem with this matchup is that most of the time Tager literally cannot move. The problem as a consequence of that is that Tager has to be standing right next to you to do anything at all unless he has spark bolt charged (which blows in this matchup just because Nu can put so much crap on the screen that she can counter hit or knock down at almost any time.)
Makingnewnamesisdumb 2 years ago
poor, poor tager, lol
donnk 2 years ago
Tagar is totally a rush down character, I mean look, he has to constantly run at his targets....well maybe run is bad word lol.
Hill177 2 years ago 2
I have to admit, your comment made me lol xD
FreeflyinPirate 2 years ago
People who hate Tager just really really suck.
StrangeAxel 2 years ago 3
Funny part is that both Arakune and Carl are worse matchups for Tager imo.
Mundus66 2 years ago 6
Even I can feel how intense the mental pressure is on both players.
It must have been really frustrating for the Tager player. The 3rd round would have been a relief for Tager but that was only a breath of fresh air.
Densebrains 2 years ago
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WHAT A GREAT GAME.
AMAZING.
slockhart916 2 years ago
1:49 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHH HOLY SHIT DUDE
Jecht111 2 years ago
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MattCielo 2 years ago
Amazing Tager. Great Nu too. The best I've seen yet. =)
shadowblast007 2 years ago
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cool, i hate tager. this vid is awesome.
vasaznion13 2 years ago
You only hate Tager because of me T_T.
Taigashot 2 years ago
this nu is amazingly good. best on youtube?
maxgunn555 2 years ago
lol, that was just painful to watch. Feel sorry for the Tager player
Cervantes838 2 years ago
lol at the 2:00 section! The Tager music seems to fit in perfectly!
212809 2 years ago
Match up 10 - 0 ?
Xsorsistdogg 2 years ago
It's 7-3
futsko28 2 years ago
I wouldn't say it's unfair. It's not impossible to beat her. Some characters take more effort to use than others obviously. However, Nu can be defeated. More matchup experience is the key.
Mercenaryraven 2 years ago
The problem is that Galileo here is one of the best Tagers, with an insane amount of experience...at this high level, the Nu/Tager matchup is pretty much impossible.
Emillll 2 years ago
This just shows to never pick tager against Nu. >.>
AznAthlete247 2 years ago
Jesus, every video LobeliaM72 goes to he manages to insult someone, It seems that he is new to the internet, because on the internet, people have what we call opinions, and it seems that if someone has a opinion that is different from his, he gets all pissy like a little baby, He needs to grow the fuck up and learn that people think differently then he does, cuz until he does he needs to get the fuck off our internets and take his fail with him...
Priere2811 2 years ago 6
this match is silly beyond belief
GHoooSTS 2 years ago 4
lol its funny i use both of these fighters alot tager main v13 sub and tao as a joke character and i still feel sad watching tager lose lol good shit though
okamiyasha2051 2 years ago
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Seems like a pretty fair matchup to me
NasaXnieru 2 years ago
Oh god. Please trash Nu Aksys. Such a bullshit character.
xXBoogiepopXx 2 years ago
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I think that anyone who thinks Nu is bullshit or overpowered is a fucking scrub who doesn't know how to play BlazBlue. Learn to play the fucking game, then come talk to me, you bunch of whiny little faggots.
LobeliaM72 2 years ago
You realize that that was one of the best Tagers, period, against one of the best Nus, period, right? That video showed that Nu is clearly overpowered. Those 2 in the videos are far beyond scrubs and far far far beyond you.
Zeenof 2 years ago 9
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Cool story bro. You done crying yet?
LobeliaM72 2 years ago
Don't feed the obvious troll.
2Chep 2 years ago 5
This would be a disconnect /broken controller combo.
skillzgone2waste 2 years ago
I main Hakumen and I can tell you it's pretty bad vs Nu...downright impossible sometimes....I felt it for this Tager player.
TestingStrat 2 years ago
I only play Tager and I didn't see any clean sledge opportunities that wouldn't have ended up with Tager getting a 6C Counter hit to the face. Tager's best bet at getting close in this match-up is Super jumping C. But this Nu counted on that. Hence all the small jumps into anti air swords. its too bad he's so tall and heavy. Yet he's as light as everyone else when he's getting comboed lol. Lvl 42 65% win rate only ranked matches. Like it matters.
thehuntsmen5434 2 years ago
That was one hell of a super in round 3
This matchup is so unfair, I don't even play Tager and I feel bad for him
doomdragon103 2 years ago 7
Emillll, I actually get what you're trying to say now. I see that spark bolt wasn't very effective when it came to the Nu player's zoning game. Very cautious indeed, but I guess you have to be when tager gets a free combo dealer.
mybrawling 2 years ago
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Sledge oppertunity: 0:20, 0:22, 0:24, 0:29, 0:38, 0:46. See what I'm getting at? At least look at the video and watch for gaps. You see a lot of them.
mybrawling 2 years ago
Those aren't gaps, you nullwit. If Galileo tried Sledgehammer at any of those moments (one of which is... in the air? Do you even play this game?) he would have eaten a followup and BEEN SENT ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHERE HE STARTED, THAT'S JUST HOW THIS MATCHUP WORKS (or rather, doesn't.)
OBNOXIOUSTEXT 2 years ago 10
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You obviously don't know your blazblue, son. I'm curious, what level are you online?
mybrawling 2 years ago
I've seen enough videos and read enough topics on this matchup being played by real, experienced players that I'd say the actual data is on my side. Sledge isn't some magical cure-all attack that levels the playing field between you and whatever zoning character, it's a tool with its own distinct strengths and weaknesses and unless you're careful with its use you could very well end up further back than where you started.
Online levels (which can be grinded anyway) have no meaning here.
OBNOXIOUSTEXT 2 years ago 5
lol, sledge does not go full screen...only about half. The majority of those times you claimed he could sledge, he would have actually landed out of range and get punished.
*some* of those times you claimed, his sledge would get him into range but only if Nu decided to do a sword after the sledge came out...instead, she would have seen the sledge, backdashed and punished it.
Emillll 2 years ago
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While I can see where you're coming from, I would have to disagree, good sir.
I, for one, have seen multiple times where a Tager has gotten onto a Nu who did nothing but sword. If that Nu tried to jump, it would either be atomic colider, or jump B or j.2c.
Plus, with one of those opening when he had the spark bolt he could of used that for MASSIVE SOVIET DAMAGE!
mybrawling 2 years ago
As a fairly scrubby level 50-something, I can assure you that exp level is completely meaningless and reflects player skill in no way.
Subbers 2 years ago
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Yeah. I know that, but still.
mybrawling 2 years ago
Yea bro you don't know what the hell your talkin about.
raiderwarlord99 2 years ago 9
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Neither do you.
mybrawling 2 years ago
For the tager player... SUPER JUMP...
akumaserge2 2 years ago 2
I just tested...if Tager superjumps, all Nu has to do is 2DD, jumpback DD, fake overhead, air 2DD as she is coming down, and Tager is pushed back to where he started his jump (in fact, a bit further back) while Nu is in the same position.
Emillll 2 years ago