video response to T. McKenna v. Ken Wilber

[werspansio]

i have read both mckenna and wilber and i'll say this, thye both come from a very ingrained scientific perspective(s). this influences the way things are said and what is said. i agree with most of what you said, a conversation between these two camps would produce much fruit. integral should have a camp at burningman. also, on a personal note, explore that catch in your throat that appears on your video once or twice, work with it,

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@werspansio thanks for you comments. you asked me to work with the catch in my throat. can you please tell me what you mean:)?

[CalumnMcAulay]

How can you even talk about this if you are not familiar with Mckenna who in my opinion is one of the most fascinating men ever to have lived!

[MrCuntyballs2U]

Duh you have just confirmed that Ken's camp cannot suffer disagreement

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@MrCuntyballs2U I wanted to say thanks for the laugh but it felt too snarky... Can you help me understand what I have said that is evidencing an inability to take criticism. Let's make make a clarity baby! You are obviously amazing because you are aware of McKenna and Wilber. Please, at any time mention what you have to say especially anything beyond simple statements over my emotional responses, which are also welcome. I hope to hear more from you, let us know why you are upset. please:)

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

Also i'm not sure why you singled out the Wilber camp in mentions of cat fights between both McKenna's and Wilber's not Wilber or McKenna's but both camps. Both... hmmm?

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@MrCuntyballs2U i appreciate your comment. i would love to have coffee with you:) see seem smart and attractive. so please explain so that I can understand you. also please explain nicely or coffee is off. anyway thanks:)

[sneaksuit]

It's obvious you aren't familiar with McKenna. I have heard and read both and McKenna had a much better grasp of reality. Wilber may have more letters after his name but McKenna was FAR smarter. These two are on the same side, but Wilber's understanding is just more narrow IMHO.

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@sneaksuit thanks for your input.

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@sneaksuit I appreciate you comments. would you consider explaining the reality that both characters appear to be grasping? this way we may be able to understand why or how u can suggest one is far smarter than the other. Your opinion is that Wilber's understanding is narrower can you explain why and how you have arrived at this conclusion.

Also I mentioned in this clip that arguing about who is smarter isn't interesting; since u added this to ur comment here I wonder if ur intention is this.

[sneaksuit]

@BesottedlyDialecticl I should have taken more time with that last post. I think they look at the universe in different perspectives, as we all do. IMO, McKenna's view is more artistic and enjoyable to listen to but Wilber has alot of good stuff people should should hear. 

[spiritchannels]

Wilber has said SO much in his writing, it's difficult to find a method that can't be included "integrally." and fundamentally, a robust, practiced enlightenment or an intentional awakening, in its moment, is experienced in either manner, as an awakening.

"Talent perceives difference, genius unity." -Yeats

IRL the two would have made some great dialog I imagine.

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@spiritchannels thanks:)

[spiritchannels]

You're on the money here with this response. I doubt the two intended to openly disagree; there is a great deal of overlap among ideas of the two.

Wilber acknowledges the sudden awakenings of spiritual practitioners as genuine spiritual experiences. He also, as you note in the video above, that the state or enlightenment accessed suddenly also can be reached through practice with the 'spiritual technology' of meditation.

[Zandelion]

"accredited/credentialed"

What would that ever mean with respect to Ken Wilber? He's an author. I guess you could pay for one of those irrelevant integral MA degrees that are being offered at a school or two, but I doubt that those degrees are accredited either.

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@Zandelion your comment didn't seem to have a clear argument that has substantial depth or breadth but you did seem to have a clear narrative. If you have something helpful to add please do so. Also I left a video comment in response to your comment please feel free to watch it and respond.

[BesottedlyDialecticl]

@Zandelion Also anyone reading this wether you agree or not with Zandelion I urge you to check out Zandelion's video called "I Contemplate a Tree." It has phillip glass music layered with moving images of tress along a river, and I'm guessing Zandelion reading a poem. It is quite nice.