The High cost of leaving ultra-orthodox Judaism 1

[ScientistALRIII]

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[hudna1]

If we are singing and dancing to convey our concerns we can all relate better with one another!

[abzgroupinc]

@OBSysteme Yes I agree... any religion which claims it's dogma with 100% certainty, is psychotic. Fundamentally, I am not opposed to a person, or a group of people, who chose to live life that way, in fact on some level, I envy that ... however, the worst part about this issue is that some of these lunatics try to force their way on the general population. the Ultra orthodox Jews and their leaders are no better the current fanatic

Moslems

[IWannabeJew]

@abzgroupinc Maybe you need to watch some beheading videos or war footage of how Chechnyan Mujahideen treat Russian POWs.

[abzgroupinc]

@IWannabeJew  The fanatic Jews do their own beheading... they murder the person's brain. It is hard to tell which is worse. The physical or emotional beheading.

[IWannabeJew]

@abzgroupinc Torah-observant Jews are not "fanatic (sic) Jews". They are Jews. That yoy can't seem to figure out which is worse suggests that you aren't using your own brain. A decapitated head can't learn or change its opinions.

[abzgroupinc]

@IWannabeJew I am Jewish... I am not talking about religious Jewish people ... I am such a person... I go to Shul I believe in a supreme being. I am talking about the fanatics, no are no different than the fanatic Muslims. I am talking about Jews who, given the opportunity, would change Israel into a religious state. These People are not Jews, they are lunatics who spit at little girls and abuse women. scream Shabbos... and throw rocks on Saturday. Lunatics in every way.

[IWannabeJew]

@abzgroupinc I said TORAH-OBSERVANT.

[paulgem123]

@abzgroupinc you may have a point.

[tikletik]

@abzgroupinc You shouldn't be so hysterical. I know children in the Ger Hasidic community who had arms broken and were beaten by Hiloni "men". By your logic, all Hilonim enjoy breaking the arms of 12 year old boys.

[abzgroupinc]

@tikletik There is no shortage of insanity in this world... religious or not ... I resent that the Jewish fanatics behave in an insane manner in the name of Judaism. If Moses were to come to life today, he would mow them down with an Uzi for perversion of his ideals. Religion and God were invented in order to make it easier to rule the common people. Some of our brothers take that to an extreme. Unchecked, Israel would become like Iran is today.

[tikletik]

@abzgroupinc Well, I would say that you and the "fanatics" you detest, as well as the mullahs of Iran all clearly have one thing in common. You all seem to think you know better than everyone else, and that the experiences of all other people who do not agree with you are the experiences of fools.

In a nutshell, I'm saying that the problem here is arrogance. Try a little humility.

Think about it.

[Tomacomo]

@tikletik

Wow, have you ever stopped to think about how fanatically anti-religious you are? I think imposing oneself on others is disgusting in almost all cases. You trying to change the ways of religious people, to "enlighten them", this is no different than religious people in the past bent on "saving other people's souls". Think about this and stop being so filthy. In another life, you would be an inquisitor. Now you are the anti-religious fanatic.

[abzgroupinc]

@Tomacomo I am a proud Jew. I am not anti religion. I believe that there is some higher power which is not possible for humans to grasp. I am against psychotic fanatics who try forcefully to impose their blind ways on others. That includes the mentally ill people who try to turn Israel into a religious state. Same as Iran. Thank God that thus far they have failed....because sanity has prevailed.

[Tomacomo]

@abzgroupinc

Yes I also think that religion has got to stay out of government or it becomes about money and power like the first estate was in france. But no, you are an ANTI-RELIGIOUS FANATIC. I am russian, so i see this shit all the time from people. This anti-religion bullshit is so old, it should have vanished with the USSR. now it's more about materialism vs spirituality, except for anti-religion fanatics.

[Tomacomo]

@abzgroupinc

anti-religion fanatics don't have any children themselves or like one child, so they want to impose their will on others' children. i appreciate every group, the secular run the orchestras and art galleries in tel aviv, and the haredim guard our ancient scriptures. when they try to impose themselves on one another in ridiculous ways, it is upsetting (i.e. demanding an intel branch close on saturday, or making a gay parade in jerusalem)

[Tomacomo]

@abzgroupinc

Wow, have you ever stopped to think about how fanatically anti-religious you are? I think imposing oneself on others is disgusting in almost all cases. You trying to change the ways of religious people, to "enlighten them", this is no different than religious people in the past bent on "saving other people's souls". Think about this and stop being so filthy. In another life, you would be an inquisitor. Now you are the anti-religious fanatic.

[abzgroupinc]

You live a psychotic fantasy. Your way of life is a perversion of Judaism

[CarmineFragione]

To convert the Hebrew contention of the three angels or letters of Aleph ( LIght) and Men ( Water) and Shin ( Fire" could be applied to the saying that Photon Energy, out of the Big Bang, the Aleph is Light or Energy. The Molecular condensation as the Energy loses Heat would create the Hydrogen Atom, which then regenerates in Stars then cools again to be H2O or Molecular of Water, which we "Men" are made of, and the cause of the changes from Light to Water, is "Fire" ( rapid oxidation)

[CarmineFragione]

Why was Hebrew called the "Language of the Angels" It is about the Hebrew Alphabet, the Jews did share the same alphabet with the Greeks but things for Jews was done differently , and in reverse. And the Icons themselves, Aleph Bet Shin were three Hebrew letters that had the power of creation itself ( Light, Water ,Fire) and the Archangels were Seven more Letters, and the Zodiac signs were 12 more letters. So all the letters used carried one nature of God as unique to the letter.

[CarmineFragione]

to correct I meant to say Aleph Men Shin not "bet" sorry, Aleph is Light, Men is Water and Shin is Fire. by these Letters in the Hebrew Alphabet, the Creation of the World is the " Bereshit" was accomplished, as if they are Angels doing works , while all that is inside the mind of God who is One. ( Three as One is Trinity application to create the world) So the Hebrew Language uses the works of the Angels as they went forth to create all things while yet being God who is One.

[CarmineFragione]

In the Hebrew life of Jesus' time , in public, no prayers in Hebrew were given and so non Jews were not familiar with the sacred prayer life. The Jews adapted to Greek and Latin and five million Jews were Roman Citizens.  But the mystery of the Holy Spirit coming down, upon crowds in public places, is that the Hebrew Tongue , if the "Gift of Tongues" that if used in public, Ethnic Jews were immediately in the Spirit of Sacred Prayer and so the Holy Ghost was invoked by the use of Hebrew

[CarmineFragione]

It is easy to explain the miracle on the day of Pentecost, non Jews never heard Hebrew being used in public places, it was reserved as sacred prayer. and Jews even had alternate names to be addressed by in public. Now Peter, whose Aramaic name was Simon , for this reason of the non Jews, Peter got up to speak to all the religious Jews from many nations on the Holy Day, and he spoke to them in Hebrew, the Divine Tongue of the Angels. And so the non Jews thought this was miraculous .

[CarmineFragione]

an Author who wishes to be the sole Actor of his own story, then He is One who must Divine as Many, with particular to the method of the Ancient Story Teller, to be Divined as Two or Three Person Tenses of Speech.To Narrate the Author is as a second person to himself, if the Narrator is talking about himself, " I myself Am He" is a case of Divine Speech where One Being is dividing the same one mouth to address himself as if another person. The Father, Son ,Holy Ghost is Three Distinct persons

[CarmineFragione]

The Torah Bible opens in the Second Person Tense of the Narrator, who speaks about God the Creator, saying "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" As Torah Genesis is as Eternal as is Yahweh God, then the question is, who is speaking about the First Person, God ? Thus the Father and Son, First Person and Second Person Divine Speech is how the Bible opens, with God Himself speaking in the First Person Tense in verse 3 saying "Let there be light" The Trinity is the Way.

[CarmineFragione]

Exodus 4:16 God Himself enters the mystery of equating a Trinity arrangement as equal to God. God reveals to Moses , Moses puts the word into Aaron's mouth and when Aaron speaks the Word to the People, then God says to Moses " You will be as if Yahweh to them" So that by this assembly of Three Witnesses, Yahweh to Moses, Moses to Aaron and then to speak the Word, that by Three, it is finally God appearing to the Jews speaking the Word of God. God says Moses would be equal to God.

[CarmineFragione]

In the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Psalms 110 has no vowel marks, so that one could interpret it to say "the Lord Adonai said to my Lord Adonai" making each Lord equal in Divine Person of God. But the Jews in their own "Hebrew Bible" version, added the vowel marks so that the readers is then controlled and forced to read ' the Lord Adonai said to my lord adoni" which concludes by the adding of vowel marks that the expected Messiah is merely a man, a "sir" and not a Lord equal to Yahweh God.

[CarmineFragione]

The real authentic Hebrew Torah had no vowel marks, all modern Jewish Bibles that have vowel marks, are under then the message control system of the Rabbinic Tradition. There are countless places where scripture can turn on a vowel mark to mean the Messiah is Divine or merely a man. The Rabbis have added Vowel Marks in the Sixth Century A.D. to control the Jews from thinking the way of the Christians that Christ is truly the Son of God, a Divine Messiah . Dead Sea Scrolls do not use marks

[CarmineFragione]

Jews warred among themselves over the use of the Bible in other languages. The Pharisaic Jews were against the Greek translation of the Bible, and the Sadducee Jews, the wealthier Hellenic friendly and Levite class of Jews approved of the gentiles having the Septuagint Bible.the Jews then had alternate names ,and Jesus is no exception . Pius Jews would call Jesus "Yeshua" but more moderate Jews would call him Iesous or Jesus, especially, if they were Roman Citizens. 5 million Jews were Romans

[CarmineFragione]

In the Hellenic world, the Jews agreed to translate the Hebrew Scrolls of the Torah and Tenach in the Greek language. The reason is that in the Greek, non Jews could share in the wisdom and knowledge of the Scriptures, while that would not offend the sanctity of the Hebrew Torah. The modern Jews have offended the Torah by adding Vowel Marks in the Sixth Century A.D. which is not found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and was added by the Rabbis to control the interpretation of Hebrew readers.

[CarmineFragione]

When Jesus was crucified, on the Cross, Pilate did write his name in three languages. Yeshua is Aramaic or Hebrew. Jesus is Latin and Iesous is Greek . all three ways was on the Cross. This was a multi linqual society. So to say Jesus was not known except as Yeshua is not historically right. The Hebrew was more cloistered to prayer life of Jews and they were used to knowing several names of themselves, Such that Jesus was known in public as Jesus, at the time he appeared.

[SatchmoSings]

There is too much bass frequency on the man speaking; please use the appropriate equipment to "roll this off;" he'll be more easily understood.

[SatchmoSings]

"The Enlightenment" came up with a much better way of living than faith; it's called "Republicanism" and its efficacy has been proven.

Also, if you're a Torah-Observant Jew living in the New York City area, there is an organization called "Footsteps."

Now then, all you anti-Semites run there and start sending vile emails to those that run it.

[SatchmoSings]

@commiepervert (sings) "Hare Krishna, hare Krishna, Hare, Krishna . . . !"

[patriciacarrasco]

Jesus is the way the truth the life, and no one can come to the Father except thru Him

[SatchmoSings]

@patriciacarrasco Jesus never lived on this earth; there is no contemporary, first-hand, extra-biblical accounting of such a being.

If there was, it would have been part of your creed from day one.

Christanity (as you practice it) is garbage because you're demanding for yourself what you would deny to another; fuck you.

[fearworshipGod]

@SatchmoSings- There are accounts by early historians (Roman) that verify the existence of Jesus. One thing overlooked by skeptics is that Romans in Jesus' days were very strict-death was often the penalty for mistakes-especially "government records". Tacitus, the Roman historian (c.55-A.D. c.117) wrote:"Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty [crucifixion] during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.."

[SatchmoSings]

@fearworshipGod Okay, genius; you claim that there are accounts by early, Roman historians for this Jesus; all you have to (and you're a liar, of course) is to give me, within parentheses, one thing to do a "Google" search on.

You, of course, will NOT do this because there is NO SUCH THING.

Tacitus was BORN AFTER this alleged Jesus was dead; Tacitus never saw this alleged Jesus; he's repeating what others told him.

Explain to me why being a Christian is synonymous with LIAR

[fearworshipGod]

@SatchmoSings- Again, the Romans were very exact and would NEVER have allowed government writings that were simply heresay or superstitious beliefs to be recorded as historical facts. Another historian, Josephus (c.37-c.100) in "Antiquities", mentioned James "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ". Pliny the younger, governor of Bythnia wrote in 112 that "the Christians sang a hymn to Christ, as if to a god.."

Google "Jesus, evidential, historical proof" (Part ll may be better for you)

[zebb1111]

@SatchmoSings if you can find one serious historian and scholar that thinks jesus never existed, then maybe you would have an arguement but all you got is zeitgheist and other esoteric nonsense. why would all the apostles lie about something that would only get them killed anyway? there was no money to be made going around telling people that jesus was king and not to worship the emperor. its not like today that any jerk can go on tv claiming a bunch of crap and get people to send him money.

[SatchmoSings]

@zebb1111 Like most Christian Losers, you are asking for proof of a negative; in every method of advocacy, that is wrong; it is the person AFFIRMING something to offer the evidence that it exists.

There is nothing esoteric in asking for proof of something and I've already made clear what those qualifications are; it has to be a CONTEMPORARY, first-hand, extra-biblical accounting of this alleged Jesus and there aren't any.

[zebb1111]

@SatchmoSings why extra biblical....you have 4 eyewitnesses who willingly died rather than recant their accounts. if it has to be extrabiblical then its you who has a problem. 4 eyewitness accounts + 2 brothers of jesus (james and jude). its up to you to prove that those accounts are not credible. i know of no scholars who claim the apostles never existed. i suppose all the christians killed by nero, just 30 years after the death of jesus made it all up? thats just foolish.

[SatchmoSings]

@zebb1111 There is a book called "Lord Of The Rings" so I would suppose that a book like this validates the existence of Hobbits; with your, uh, "logic" there is no need for any evidence that would not be from "Lord Of The Rings" to prove the existence of Hobbits; the same goes for the Bible.

You may know of a scholars who claim the apostles existed; I know I certainly don't.

Wikipedia has a fine article called "Jesus myth theory;" I happen to largely agree with it.

[Enginmaster]

@SatchmoSings Of course. In fact, the fact that "The Hobbit" was written over half a century BEFORE the discovery of the Hobbit fossils in Indonesia means the book could only have been written by the true creator of said hobbits. Tolkien is god!

[SatchmoSings]

@Enginmaster Excellent point which I'm sure an idiot like @zebb1111 is totally incapable of willfully understanding; thank you.

Additionally, @zebb1111 is a Jew-hater because he has to talk about Jesus on a page that deals purely with Jewish issues; there are literally THOUSANDS of pages here on "Youtube" where he could have made his points without stepping on the beliefs of Jewish people.

[dopplerking91]

@SatchmoSings i have a valid question. why so angry about mentioning Yeshua. how is it anti-semitic to mention Yeshua? He was Jewish after all and could trace His lineage back to King David....also...um why would you think that Yeshua wasnt a historical person? there are over 5,000 historical documents that point to Yeshua being an actual historical figure...um many serious historians laugh at this jesus myth theory

[SatchmoSings]

@dopplerking91 The spirit in which you mention "Yeshua" on this page is utterly detestable; I can assure you the host of this page is not interested in your precious "Yeshua" and your insistence on mentioning it shows that you're both a bigot and an individual who is utterly unsocialized; you're like the dopey kid in class who when the teacher is explaining a math problem, you raise your hand demanding a discussion of George Washington's false teeth; you're the guest who shits on the floor.

[dopplerking91]

@SatchmoSings hm interesting...the spirit in which i mention yeshua..hm..i think you're taking things a little too personally..well despite what you believe the person in questions accurate and historical name is Yeshua... i was simply stating the culturally and diachronically accurate name of this figure. His name is really Yeshua not Jesus...the name jesus is an anglicized version of the latinized version of the greek form Iesous for Yeshua.

[zebb1111]

@SatchmoSings why extra biblical....you have 4 eyewitnesses who willingly died rather than recant their accounts. if it has to be extrabiblical then its you who has a problem. 4 eyewitness accounts + 2 brothers of jesus (james and jude). its up to you to prove that those accounts are not credible. i know of no scholars who claim the apostles never existed. i suppose all the christians killed by nero, just 30 years after the death of jesus made it all up? thats just foolish.

[SatchmoSings]

@zebb1111 I fail to see your point in coming to a page like this on "Youtube" unless it is to spout some anger and even hatred regarding Judaism.

There are plenty of other pages where your idiocy would be more than welcome; bringing it here is quite inappropriate and even the work of a Jew-hater.

It sort of reminds me of elementary school when a teacher is talking about a math problem and a child raises his hand and asks " Did George Washington have wooden teeth?"

Sounds just like you!~

[xanderkhaan]

who is the bad guys. answer = isreal on 18/ 07/11 is building over 400 new settlemnts on gaza and west bank!!!! enough said

[SatchmoSings]

@xanderkhaan Israel isn't building anything in Gaza because Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza some years ago; try again!

[50crol]

סדר להחזיר ניתנה, כל צריכה לחזור, הפלסטינים צריכים לעזוב כדי לפנות מקום חוזרים. אז, כולם יחד לבכות על משיח, אחד ברוך הבא בשם ה '. אנו חייבים להיות מאוחדים בימים רע לבוא, ורק עם עזרה של המשיח היא לנצח את הקרב הסופי.

[50crol]

ישראל מלאה חטאי עבודת אלילים לאלילים, קתולים צריכים לצאת משם, אלו הכנסיות האלילית צריך להיהרס. יהודי כל העמים וכל הצדדים חייבים לחזור לישראל. להיות חלק של היהדות כי הם שייכים, וכאן אני כוללת את היהודים המשיחיים, שאינם יהודים מדי.

[50crol]

אם הם חוזרים תנ"ך, מבינים כי אלוהים הורה להחזיר לעם היהודי, אז כל יהודי צריך להיות ציוני, כמו ארץ ישראל שייכת ליהודים prórpio היה אלוהים שנתן את הארץ הזאת. היהדות הרבנית היא רחוקה מלהיות אלוהים, היא רחוקה מלהיות משה אדוננו המשיח האמיתי, למה לא לראות רגל אחת לפני האף. הם עיוור שמוביל עיוור.

[50crol]

אורתודוקסי או אולטרה היהדות האורתודוקסית היא הרבה יותר של התלמוד מאשר בתנ"ך. מבחינתם של חכמי "חשובים יותר נביאי התנ"ך. בעיניהם את המילים של "חכמים" גדולים יותר מאשר זה של אלוהים. מצליחים לזהות את המשיח האמיתי בסופו של דבר עם זיוף. הם צריכים לחזור אל התנ"ך ולבקש את סליחתו של אלוהים על חטאיהם.

[50crol]

Orthodox or ultra Orthodox Judaism is much more of the Talmud than to TANACH. For them the 'wise men' are more important than the prophets of the Tanach. To them the words of 'wise' are larger than that of GOD. fail to recognize the true Messiah and end up with a fake. They need to go back to the Tanach and ask God's forgiveness for their sins.

[getsetrecords]

@50crol Yes brother, Thank God for unbelief. Salvation came unto the gentiles.

[MarcoBocoure]

@50crol well said

[JawiiJiwaa]

@apostatesspeak

if a person leaves Islam you can kill him but after you invite him back 3 times and he still refuses

[lilfatl]

DO THE ORTODOX JEWS BELEIVE IN THE CREATION OF THE SATATEOF ISRAWL IN PALESTINE?

[RambunctiousRussians]

@lilfatl

I don't think any Jew for that matter supports "Israwl in palestine".

However If you're referring to the "state of Israel", then to answer your question is a little tougher than you may think. But in short; some do, some don't, and some "do-ish".

[RambunctiousRussians]

@lilfatl

But I have a better question for you:

"Why do you bring up a subject that is totally unrelated to the topic?"

It sort of reminds me of elementary school when a teacher is talking about a math problem and a child raises his hand and asks " Did George Washington have wooden teeth?"

[StopFear]

I am a fundamentalist Christian and inpretty much agree with this guy

[stars1836]

We need to all look into ourselves and really follow the instructions given to us ie, treat others well, have good ethics and character traits and so on. Then we can bring blessing. And remember, eventhough some are bad examples, we should still take care of our own soul. In life we have challenges, but it makes us stronger. G-d gives us the tools and strength, we just have to believe in Him. He believes in us

[energycreator]

@TheNationalarmy god has been attacking me why whole life!! if i speak out about it and then he attacks me, nothing has changed!!! if you stay in fear from the abusers the abuse will just continue. i am not the only one who has witnessed this. i have seen some believing jews commit suicide from depression. i know exactly what god must have done to their minds because he has brought me close to it many times. this is too important to keep silent about.

[energycreator]

@TheNationalarmy god has already ruined my life in ways you probably dont really care to hear. the fact is i have come to the stage where i cant keep suffering in silence. he has already tried to hide his abuse by making it difficult for me to express. hence i am expressing things in the only way i can. if am suffering then others are too. i cant keep being the silent victim. i have to speak out and do something because i fear for my life.

[ThroneNationStation]

All the Orthadox Jews if you will not believe that Yeshua is the Messiah then let the scriptures of the Old Testament tell you, look up this video by ppsimmons just copy and paste this title into the youtube search bar " REVEALED! The Secret Meaning of The First Verse Of The Bible (Hidden Code!) " if you don't know about this yet then you must check it out. It is AMAZING! and its REAL

[bigbadnewman]

@ThroneNationStation

FUCKWIT!

Yeshu is nothing but a mad carpenter who now sits in a boiling couldren of shit!!

[ThroneNationStation]

@bigbadnewman - did you watch the video?

[bigbadnewman]

@ThroneNationStation , you're a fuckwit!

Don't you think x-tian idol-worshipers have shown all this crap to orthodox Jews for 2000 years? Notice how it's failed to convince anyone??

[ThroneNationStation]

@bigbadnewman, I am not sure why you haven't come to accept the Messiah, Yeshua, since you say this information has been brought to the Orthadox Jews attention and your self for over 2000 years. All I am saying is, if you would really take the time to do the research through it and through the Torah you would find out that Yeshua(Jesus) is the Messiah the Christ, The savior of the World. God bless my friend and may you find peace in Yeshua, - and Shabbat Shalom

[bigbadnewman]

@ThroneNationStation

The reason that neither Jews nor noahides accept jee-zeuss is because according to Torah:

The messiah is a MAN, not a G-d.

The messiah is NOT worshipped.

The messiah will do ALL of the following BEFORE Jews accept he is messiah

* Gather in ALL the Jewish exiles

*rebuild Solomon's temple

*bring about world peace

jee-zeuss has done fuck-all of the above!

now get cancer and fucking DIE!!!!

[ThroneNationStation]

@bigbadnewman can you send me the scriptures? So that I may look upon it

[bigbadnewman]

@ThroneNationStation

The scriptures are called "Torah". You'll find one in any Jewish bookstore.But be warned: Her who studies Torah with the mindset of an idolator brings curses upon himself. If you DO study it, do so with a clear mind. If you study it with a mind to pervert it and make it fit x-tian/pagan idolatry, you'll be cursed by the G-d of Abraham, Issach and jacob. Try aish.com for starters

[ThroneNationStation]

@bigbadnewman and when i said scriptures i meant, books, like in Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua. You know what I mean. If you can please get back to me

[bigbadnewman]

@ThroneNationStation

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish?

Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel(Zechariah 14:9).

[bigbadnewman]

@ThroneNationStation

YOU look up outreach Judaism. The so-called 'proof texts' are lies made up by x-tians.

G-d has NO FLESH, you fucking retard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!