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@BotanTiger where as the bear weight twice as much as a tiger because of its heavy fat bones an especialy muscle!! bears are slower than tigers indeed but not weaker. infact due to the scientist calculations bears have twice the power and strength of a average tiger!!
@peterisawesomeyoukno A Tiger has speed and agility & is more aggresive, but its claws are made for grabbing and tearing, which really doesn't serve it well against a Grizzlys thick hide. Grizzlys use thier claws for digging & crushing, and can shatter the femur on a Moose. When the Tiger goes in for a kill it goes for the neck, and at close range a Gizzly (twice the weight of a Tiger) would destroy the Tiger.
@C0mmentar The reason they got this wrong and hence the general public agrees based on the dislikes, is because tigers have speed giving them a distinct advantage
@C0mmentar And that has what to do with this video? I guarantee whatever shithole of a country you live in, us burger eating rednecks would whip your ass
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stupid shit - tigers hunt bears then they cant get enother food,It breaks backs of a horse with one blow paws. Siberian tiger is strongest cat and predator on an earth surface not including sea inhabitants
the bear would win in a head to head fight like tht beacause if the tigar tried to bite the bears neck he would just hit him with his paw so shove tht shit up ur ass
People underestimate bears all the time, Because they dont look as deadly... If you have actually seen these animals in action they are extremely deadly! Some of them are bigger than a car and are able to rip trees in half
well this goes against actual evidence and historic reports of tigers actively hunting grizzlies. so shows like this with "experts" analyzing data to come up with a conclusion on who would win in a theoretical fight (which is a completely useless study) have no standing. deadly warriors is another one.
@Salvus967 You don't even know what you are talking about, Tigers never met/fight with grizzlies, they fight with european/asian brown bears. The Grizzly Bear lives only in North America and is stronger, faster and bigger than other types of Brown Bears. In fact, there is a video here on youtube showing a small Grizzly Bear defeating an attacking Tiger in a one sided fight, go and check it out to see the true power of Grizzly bears (even if it's a small one)
@TheSpymat yeh i saw that video i think... was it from the 60s or 70s or something? i saw another one where a tiger killed and ate a bear so whatever...anyway, those two were in india. not a siberian tiger.
@Salvus967 The bear killed by a tiger in that video was a sloth bear, a species that averages about half the size of a same-sex Bengal tiger, plus the sloth bear had cubs (thus a female) and the tiger was male. Nothing impressive if a tiger kills one. Brown bears, on the other hand, have been known to kill adult male tigers in fights. Tigers have never been recorded killing adult male brown bears, and the largest one ever killed by a tiger was a 170 kg female (a fat sub-adult).
@vennylos Read the scientific publications from the Siberian Tiger Project. They never found one adult male brown bear killed by a tiger, but they have seen adult male tigers killed and some tigers even eaten by brown bears. They have also identified "satellite bears", brown bears that follow tigers over extended time periods, sequentially usurping tiger kills. If you were right, brown bears wouldn't be able to take the tigers' food. Try to figure that one out.
That's pretty much bullshyt.. I went to some circus and I saw them fighting before the circus started.. It was a grizzly bear vs a tiger.. The bear didn't get one hit.. I saw the fight.. It lasted about 20 seconds.. The tiger just kept hitting and and at the end started choking him.. If the guards didn't stop it im pretty sure the beat would died.. So this video is bs..
Omg this is so fuckin stupied this soooo fuckin stupied no wonder this show got taken off the air cause they didnt make it right its gotta be simulated right yeah a bear can weigh about 500 to 600 when a fully grown male tiger can be 800 or more and i have proof from scienst say that tigers feed on bears not canadian kodiaks but regular brown bears also cougars live with bears an are half there size and usually always lose to the cougars they dont even eat each other they battle Again FAKE!
@Prevail002 From what I can decipher from this jumble of random words and stupidity tells me that you just need to go away. And there is no such thing as a "regular brown bear" compared to a kodiak. They're all one species.
@MrFishinBoo Great display at avoiding the question.lol
Oh so you agree that the tiger can take down an Indian elephant. Adult rhinos are taken by tigers in Kazaranga National Park. Bull gaur are taken by tigers on a regular basis. Nothing is immune from a tiger.
You are a 'Yank' so its obvious why you're biased for your beloved bear but don't let it cloud your judgement.
Its desperation when someone has to claim that he is some sort of expert but yet sits on YouTube all day long
@w0wyourbun1 Nothing is immune from a tiger? Just curious, but does that mean you think that killer whales and great white sharks are also prey for them?
@w0wyourbun1 You're one to talk about stupidity. I'm not the one who implied that sharks and orcas are vulnerable to tiger predation. I'm not the one who said they prey on bull gaur, elephants and rhinos. They almost always go after very young or old gaur. Not mature bulls. They rarely kill even baby rhinos and elephants. Face the facts. Tigers aren't perfect.
@NavyDogfish Remind me when i used the words sharks and orcas.
You are right you're not the one saying tigers kill bull gaur, elephants and rhinos. I'm the one saying tigers kill bull gaur, elephants and rhinos. Get over it.
You need to take you're blinkers off and stop making a fool out of yourself.
@w0wyourbun1 You're the only one making a fool of himself. Only a fool thinks that tigers regularly kill giants like adult rhinos, elephants and bull gaur. You said "Nothing is immune from a tiger." Meaning everything is potential prey for them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that even killer whales and white sharks fall under "everything".
@w0wyourbun1 Nothing is immune eh? Then please explain why The Siberian Tiger Project, after over a decade of tracking tigers, NEVER found an adult male brown bear killed by a tiger. Plus, I noticed you cited George Schaller quite a few times. Yet you left out that in "The Deer and the Tiger: A Study of Wildlife in India", he stated that he witnessed a 1/12 success rate for hunting tigers. He said "probably at least twenty unsuccessful attempts were made for each animal captured."
@w0wyourbun1 You've got absolutely NO room to call other people fanatics. You say that nothing's immune from a hunting tiger. You deny every piece of scientific evidence against the tiger. I never said that's what he said word for word, but according to "The Shadow of Kilimanjaro: On the Foot Across East Africa" he was the first to establish dominance between tigers and brown bears. And the brown bears were on top.
@w0wyourbun1 You are the one telling lies. I already gave you a scientific publication (Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation) written by Dale Miquelle, one of the scientists who actually followed that tiger (something the author of "The Last Big Cats" didn't do) which stated that even the largest one he killed was 10 kg smaller than the tiger. Again, you just keep throwing in the same crap even after it's disproved. Get over yourself.
@w0wyourbun1 I know this is going to end up just like last time. I prove all my statements. Miquelle has seen tigers being killed by brown bears, adult males included. You give absolutely NO proof, you just keep making false claims with nothing to support them, so let's just say I'm right and you're wrong, and call it a day. Everyone knows you're the biggest tiger fanatic on the planet. I should've realized that you're a lost cause a long time ago.
@w0wyourbun1 Born liar? Worst type of fanatic? These things are only what describes yourself. I already told you, if you read chapter 19 of "Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation", it'll tell you everything. But I know you won't, simply because it disproves your biased claims about tigers killing brown bears and your claim that tigers are dominant over brown bears. Give it up.
Elk, wild boar and sika deer, and roe deer make up about 80% of tiger prey across tiger range, with smaller animals such as badger and raccoons, and larger animals such as black and even brown bears being taken during the summer months. One radio-collared tiger studied (Dale) by World Conservation Society ate more bears than anything else, at least during the summer months.
@w0wyourbun1 I know about that tiger. But it was just one extreme case. The biggest brown bear he killed was similar in size to him, and they never found any other tigers behaving like that. Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation also says that no adult male brown bears were known to be killed by tigers.
In Last Of The Big Cats all the bears were stated to be twice as heavy as he was.
All the bears he killed were in the "summer" months not "winter" months, which means the bears were at their peak when killed by Dale. So the theory that tigers only kill hibernating bears is bullshit as the World Conservation Society proves.
This was recorded because Dale was a radio-collared tiger. What about the other tigers that are not radio-collared?
@w0wyourbun1 I wish you'd stop bringing up what Bauer wrote. Chapter 19 Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation proves that it's false. The largest brown bear that's ever been found in Sikhote-Alin weighed 760 lbs. The tiger was 400 lbs. All the brown bears would've had to be adult males to be anywhere near that size, but no adult male brown bears were known to be taken. Even by him.
@w0wyourbun1 Denial? Sorry, but all you had was "what about the other tigers that are not radio-collared?" That doesn't prove anything. I am not the one living in denial. I'm not the one falsely claiming that my animal regularly kills elephants, rhinos and predators twice its size. Tigers aren't perfect my friend. I hope you learn that some day.
@w0wyourbun1 And for the record, "Dale" wasn't the only tiger that was collared. Still we've yet to hear about another tiger behaving the way he was. That suggests that tigers acting like that are rare, and it's not likely we'll find another one any time soon.
@w0wyourbun1 Good one, but I hope it was just a joke. They didn't find any adult male brown bears killed by tigers. If you were serious, that implies no male brown bears were in the research area. But that wasn't the case.
Look i read and research. You overrated the bear way to much. The average weight for a male brown bear is 450-500lbs. If you get "ambushed" by a hungry tiger you're going down.
@w0wyourbun1 Which is it then? Are you going to believe WCS Russia's website or not? Because it quite clearly states that male Kamchatka brown bears can weigh up to 700 kgs. You believe what supports the tiger, but when it's pro-brown bear, you want no part of it. I don't overrate the brown bear at all, but you continue to make false claims and on top of it you bash a site you yourself have used info from. But saying tigers prey on bull gaur, elephants and rhinos? That's overrating.
@w0wyourbun1 I don't doubt that you read and research, but you're just so biased for tigers that you disregard anything that doesn't support them. Dale Miquelle: first to establish dominance between them and says it's the brown bear on top. You bash him. Siberian Tiger Project: says the largest brown bear any tiger killed was 170 kgs, including an extreme case they tracked. You bash it. Erwin Bauer: says the same tiger (which he didn't track) killed 8 300+ kg bears. You believe him.
Maurice Hornocker was one of the biologists who tracked "Dale" when he slaughtered brown bears for fun. The reference Erwin A Bauer used was taken from Maurice Hornockers book on his work in Siberia with tigers.
Track of the Tiger: Legend and Lore of the Great Cat. Maurice Hornocker. San Francisco. Sierra Club books. 1997
@w0wyourbun1 I've read that book. It never said the bears were twice his weight. I am facing reality, you're not. You love tigers so much that it's clouding your judgement. I've given you nothing but solid proof and you denied it all. You've contradicted sites you've taken info from as well, eliminating all your credibility, assuming you had any to start with. You say nothing that's true, so let's just say I'm right, you're wrong, and leave it at that. I'm done with this.
@w0wyourbun1 If you must know, I would read a book about tigers because unlike you, I'm not so biased that I'd only look at one side of the subject. I researched on both animals before I came to the conclusion brown bear>tiger. I also read enough, unlike you, to know that tigers have limited capabilities, and that elephants, rhinos and bull gaurs are not prey for them. You can try to act like you've won this, but you lost a long time ago. You proved basically nothing you said.
@NavyDogfish Your last statement just confirmed how foolish you are.
"One tigress at Kanha jumped on the back of an adult bull gaur from a stream bank, bit him in the back of the neck, bearing him to the ground, and then grasped his throat, a reconstruction based on the tracks at the site and tooth marks on the dead animal"
The Deer and the Tiger: A Study of Wildlife in India. George B Schaller. University Of Chicago Press. (page 290-291)
@w0wyourbun1 I'm not the foolish one. You're trying to say that just one occurrence of a tiger killing a bull gaur can be used to generalize that they regularly kill them. Page 62 of the book "Wild and Beautiful" that I cited tells of a Russian hunter witnessing a fight in which a shatun brown bear was ambushed by a tiger, but killed it and ate it. By your own logic, that means shatun brown bears regularly kill and eat tigers. It's hard to accept, I know, but tigers aren't flawless.
@w0wyourbun1 Lol, rickson, just lol. That's your most pathetic argument yet. If you don't want to believe my witness then I really don't have any reason to believe yours. The huntsman wasn't trying to kill either of them so they obviously paid more attention to each other. The same can be said for that tiger/gaur fight you cited. But your rebuttals got so weak, I'm through. Plus, you're the one who needs to get real. Only a fool believes tigers regularly hunt elephants and rhinos.
I think George B Schaller is more reliable than an un-named Russian hunter.
"The huntsman wasn't trying to kill either of them"
What the hell was he doing then?lol So now you're saying a Russian "hunter" just happened to stumble across a tiger and bear fighting and stood and watched it????lol
Please stop because everybody is laughing at you.
@NavyDogfish No way can a tiger take on a full grown gaur, nevertheless rhinos or elephants. Maybe calf's but not adults. Also a full grown brown bear is too much for a single tiger.
@MedievalJester Exactly what I've been saying. What's constantly overlooked is that nearly all gaur killed are young or sick. Karanth & Sunquist (1995) found that the average size of gaurs killed by tigers in Nagarahole was 287 kg, showing that nearly all of them were babies. Even Schaller (1967) found that nearly 50% of the gaurs killed by tigers were under 4 months old and the species takes 2-3 years to mature. As for brown bears, the Siberian Tiger Project tells us everything.
@NavyDogfish People that say that tiger hunt adult gaurs "regularly" are out of their minds or are simply tiger fans. A bull gaur would be a nightmare for a tiger in a face to face fight. They probably say that to counter that tigers hunt big pray alone and lion hunt in packs, so therefore the tiger is superior. But the truth is tigers only go for the young and sick not a healthy bulls.
@w0wyourbun1 I'll be honest: I'm tired of this. If you want to believe that brown bears really average 500 lbs and that tigers regularly dine on bull gaur, rhino and elephant meat, go ahead and do so. That's your problem. But don't say I didn't warn you.
@w0wyourbun1 By the way, if you read page 62 of "Wild and Beautiful" by Kalyani Davidar, you'll know that not all ambush attempts end in success for tigers, as well as what happens when a tiger tries to ambush a brown bear and its first pounce misses, even if the brown bear is a shatun (a male, but quite old and usually starving). The tiger would've learned that it wasn't really at the top of the food chain, but it didn't live long enough.
@w0wyourbun1 I understand your view of the subject, but the Siberian Tiger Project tracked tigers in the only place they naturally coexist with brown bears for over a decade. The way I see it, if they did ever kill adult male brown bears it would've become more obvious by now. Also, in "Food Habits of Amur tigers in Sikhote-Alin Zapovednik and the Russian Far East, and implications for conservation", it stated that bear, black and brown, were only 2.2% of tiger kills.
Es ist blödsinn anzunehmen das der Bär gewinnt. Ausgewachsene sibierische Tiger bringen das selbe Gewicht auf die Waage wie ein Braunbär. Mal gewinnt der Tiger mal der Bär.
The largest Brown Bear ever documented killed by a Tiger was a youngster female weighing around 170 kg. She was killed in winter while hibernating. It was said it was more of a fat Bear and not a large one. Except from that one, Tigers will usually not dare to attack that large Bears. Also, there has never been any known attempts of Tigers attacking male Bears while hibernating. But they have seen Tigers turning away from dens with male Bears and going in the opposite direction in a hurry.
@FreeRadical1015 Thats actually not correct. Pound for pound the Brown Bear is still a stronger fighter than a Tiger. ANd there is no way Tigers will go face to face with any grown Brown Bear at the same size.
The Tiger has to be much larger to take a chance like that.
@FreeRadical1015 Most Bears killed are cubs. Secondly its small youngster females, mostly killed while hibernating. A Brown Bear is not fully grown/adult until its 5 yrs old.
Brown Bears in inland Siberia (Sikhote- Alin area) are very small. Its not unusual that a grown females weighes +/- 100 kg. Largest males may rearly reach 350 kg. An adult Brown Bear 170- 180 kg has no other treaths than other Bears.
@FreeRadical1015 Then logic would require that, if these bears you speak of are equal to grizzly bears in America, that these tigers get killed too BY BEARS, at a MUCH higher rate than bears getting killed by tigers.
@FreeRadical1015 Yes, you are most likely right. But more often than not, the bear IS significantly larger. That's it's whole deal, bears are big and powerful. You cant just strip the bear's biggest advantage for the sake of your argument. At least by recognizing the fact that a brown bear can be significantly larger than a tiger you have shown much more basic ecological knowledge than w0wyourbun1.
@w0wyourbun1 I don't want this turning into something akin to a forum flame war, so don't try to patronize me. I have extensive field and lecture experience and am confident in my knowledge of the difference between fighting and hunting. That being said, I agree with your 2 points to an extent, although a tiger would most likely never try to even ambush a bear simply due to a predator's ability to weigh costs versus benefits. Simply put, tigers are not as stupid as you apparently believe.
@MrFishinBoo Tigers take down bigger/stronger prey than Brown bears on a regular basis. Nothing that roams the tigers domain is immune from a hungry tiger. Even the Indian elephant has fell victim to the tiger. So you're in no position to claim a tiger would "never" ambush a bear. You have no idea what you're talking about.
The reason Siberian tigers hunt bears is for survival because its main prey items are disappearing. So in order to survive a tiger will hunt and kill anything.
@w0wyourbun1 Yeah, they really take down elephants on a regular basis. A regular basis meaning once. If food is so scarce that a tiger would resort to hunting a bear, then that tiger will likely come nowhere close to this magical 600 pound mark that you claim. Wildlife ecology 101 dude. Get off the internet and do some actual field and lab research. Wikipedia just won't cut it.
@MrFishinBoo Yep. Even the largest wild Siberian tiger that's been found in decades was a large male that was radio-collared in May 2011 and only weighed 460 lbs. This guy's just hopeless to think that a tiger weighs 600 lbs and that a brown bear can't reach 1,500 lbs. The sad thing is I think he knows what he's saying is untrue, but he's just so biased that he refuses to admit it.
@NavyDogfish Yeah I'm getting that feeling too. It's just kind of frustrating arguing with such an obvious amateur. He knows he's wrong and will never admit it so I think I'm just going to leave him to his biases.
@NavyDogfish I've viewed some of your comments on other videos and, again, while I generally disapprove of hypothetical animal pit matches, you display sound ecological knowledge based on what I'm guessing is a well-established framework. Kudos.
The bear would outfight the tiger. They have more heart and are tenacious and bloody minded. Give it to the Grizzly and it will dominate, bring on the polar and it will annihilate!
@deeaandredeea of course the tiger is powerful,but look that bear,do you think the tiger is powerful to do the same think the bear did?no,because the bear has more power to do,if that bear strikes you with its paw,you die
im a tiger fan and i think this show is stupid but i have to admit obviously a bear would winn they are twice the size. but it would not win by breaking the tigers back wtf kind prediction is that lol retarded
To all the delusional tiger lovers out there, there is no tiger that could beat a fully grown Brown Bear. Brown Bears are way too big and powerfull. Do some research before you idiots start saying a tiger would win. Bear wins every time.
@angus92721 Naw brah you see you are a moron you know shit a brown bear is a tank it's built for both defense and offence it's thick fat and hide gives it it's protection from a serious bite. A bear's swipe is enough to kill a human in one blow and sure enough leave a big cat fatally wounded if not, kill it.
@angus92721 Stupid thing to say when reality is that statistics shows that grown male Brown Bears totally rules Siberian Tigers. There is not even one recording of a male Brown Bear killed by a Tiger. But several male Tigers have been killed by Brown Bears over food disputes. Tigers may prey and kill Bear cubs and smalle young females while hibernating, but that is not really so impressive. Look behind the numbers, dummies.
A tiger named 'Dale' slaughtered 8 brown bears in a 3 month period while being tracked by biologists. Dale weighed 400lbs and the brown bears he killed were twice his size. Infact Dale fought one of the brown bears head-on and won.
@w0wyourbun1 Fake. Don't listen to any of this. Bears (Brown, Kodiak) are bigger, have more muscle and a bigger mouth than tigers. I'd like to see a Kodiak go against the supposed "Dale"
@w0wyourbun1 "Tigers have more muscle mass than bears at equal weights." This would be relevant if there were weight classes in the wild. There are not. Total muscle mass is total muscle mass and size is still size.
@MrFishinBoo Well there are weight classes in the wild. The average male brown bear will average 500-600lbs in the wild. The same with the Siberian tiger, so its clear the tiger has more muscle mass.
@w0wyourbun1 500-600 pounds? The average grizzly weighs on the upper end of that scale, and they are extremely small for a brown bear. That's averaging in sows. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you accidentally took the average weight of both male and female grizzlies. It happens. To say that the average coastal brown bear is the same size as a Siberian tiger (which, by the way, rarely even approaches 600 pounds) is simply asinine.
@MrFishinBoo Largest Siberian Tiger found since 1992 was "only" 206 kg. Thats about 450 pounds. And you are right that Brown Bears are totally superior fighters. They have lots of endurance, while Tigers will give up if the attack ends up in a fight. And Bears are supreme fighters because of their short body makes them project power sideways with much more force than a long Tiger. After the Tiger is forced down its pretty much over for the Tiger.
All right here it goes. While I disapprove of the whole "get two animals together in a deathmatch" mentality, in direct inter specific predatory competition the dominant species is ALMOST ALWAYS THE LARGER ANIMAL. Large Kamchatka brown bears regularly weigh twice as much as a very large Siberian tiger and accordingly usually dominate territory disputes. In fact, the ONLY recorded cases of tigers killing adult bears occur when the tiger ambushes the bear during or immediately after hibernation.
@MrFishinBoo Kamchatka brown bears don't co-exist with Siberian tigers. Ussuri brown bears co-exist with Siberian tigers. Brown bears bolt at the sight or smell of a Siberian tiger.
Brown bears know the strengths of the Siberian tiger and thats why brown bears will avoid them at all costs.
@w0wyourbun1 Really? Is that why Brown Bears often follow Siberian Tigers and take their kills from them? And as usuall the Tigers have to give up the food and let the Bear have it. Not much they can do about it.,
I can assure you that a fully grown male Brown Bear does not fear a Tiger what so ever.
@w0wyourbun1 Subspecies differentiation between brown bears is largely arbitrary and is a matter of great debate among taxonomists. There is little physiological difference between a Kamchatka and an ussuri other than a slightly greater size in the Kamchatka based on diet due to geographical location. And brown bears dont "avoid tigers at all costs", they just are not active hunters. They are opportunists that prefer to take the easiest meal possible. Tigers do not count as easy meals.
Every animal would try and avoid a 500-600lb four-legged razor blade which is a 100% meat eater. It makes evolutionary sense for a bear to avoid a formidable foe such as the Siberian tiger.
@w0wyourbun1 And I could say every animal would try to avoid a 1500 pound wrecking ball with longer claws, a thick layer of protective fat and infinitely more physical power than your "four-legged razor blade". Seriously, give me ONE good reason why a large Siberian tiger would be able to overpower a large boar brown bear.
@MrFishinBoo Trust me you'll never find a 1500lb brown bear in the wild. The average weight for brown bears is 500-600lbs, so stop with the 1500lb bears shit.
@w0wyourbun1 I worked as an assistant field tech in central New York for two years and have on numerous occasions tagged BLACK bears approaching 600 pounds. There are literally hundreds of cases of brown bears approaching and exceeding 1500 pounds in the wild. I am debating with you because I thought you would at least be rational, but now I see you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
@MrFishinBoo No offense but lots of people come on to these videos pretending to be some sort of expert without really knowing if they are or not. I could claim i worked as a field biologist tagging Siberian tigers,
@w0wyourbun1 I understand why you would be skeptical about my qualifications as you are right in that I have no way to physically verify them. And even I myself would not call myself an "expert" as I haven't yet obtained my phd (just received my m.s. last spring and fingers crossed I can get out west for a legit doctoral program). I have no idea what me being a "Yank" has anything to do with a ridiculous animal fight video, but we should end this since it's starting to get personal.
@MrFishinBoo Well if you are legit in your claims that you have conducted field studies on black bears then i apologise. The fact is to many people are biased for the brown bear because the bear is native to their countries.
@w0wyourbun1 Yeah that would be a silly reason to back any animal. The closest brown bear to me is around 2,000 miles away so I don't really have that issue. The only wild animal I have an emotional connection to is the American black bear, and trust me I have no delusions of a black bear competing with a tiger.
@MrFishinBoo No offense but lots of people come on to these videos pretending to be some sort of expert without really knowing if they are or not. I could claim i worked as a field biologist tagging Siberian tigers,
@MrFishinBoo I agree completely. When one combatant has size, strength, intelligence, reach AND stamina all on his side, he'll win more often than not. An animal that weighs up to 1,500 lbs against an animal that now rarely even approaches the 600 lb mark. That should be a no-brainer for most people. I thought that would make it easy for w0wyourbun1 because he has NO brains. But obviously, some people are just so biased that they're hopeless.
@NavyDogfish Yeah, some people just have no idea of basic inter-specific predatory principles. Although it renews my faith in humanity that at least most people here agree that the larger predator overwhelmingly dominates.
"An animal that weighs up to 1,500 lbs" hahahahahaha
You're more likely to see a UFO or the Virgin Mary than a 1,500lb Brown bear in the wild. The average weight of a male brown bear is 500lbs, so stop embarrassing yourself in front of the YouTube community.
@w0wyourbun1 You're the only one embarrassing yourself. You can't give the average size of ALL brown bears in one figure. There are experts saying that there are 80-90 subspecies of brown bear. Some, like the European brown bear, are so small that males rarely surpass 400 lbs. But on the Kodiak Archipelago, the males weigh 1,058-1,175 lbs over the course of the year on AVERAGE. 1,500 lb coastal males aren't rare at peak times. Stop being foolish. You've become a laughingstock.
@w0wyourbun1 For the record, according to W.C.S. Russia, male Kamchatka brown bears can reach a weight of 700 kgs. Unlike you, they have experience with these things. They've weighed these beasts in the wild. Something you've clearly never done, otherwise you'd know that your claim of all male brown bears averaging 500 lbs is total nonsense.
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Fordeserve1 13 hours ago
oooooooooooooooooo I love bears!!!!!!!!!!!! soooo cute!!
theanimatorization 15 hours ago
I'm not bein harch but I think the tiger stronger then the bear
zackxl1 1 day ago
lol i remember this
superborderhopper69 2 days ago
World of Warcraft sounds :D
D3niQ 2 days ago
good fight would be a kodiak and tiger kodiak are double in size to a grizzly bear
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Alec1Crow 5 days ago
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ENTERRAPTURE20 6 days ago
Fucking stupit video! fucking your cartoon! you can see real video in you tube!! Tigers killing croc and bear!
BotanTiger 1 week ago
@BotanTiger no - bear much more strong
vlad11011 4 days ago
@BotanTiger I can show you a real video where a real grizzly beats a tiger. You seen tigers killing small black bears, not a croc.
LionHeart1990s 1 day ago
@BotanTiger where as the bear weight twice as much as a tiger because of its heavy fat bones an especialy muscle!! bears are slower than tigers indeed but not weaker. infact due to the scientist calculations bears have twice the power and strength of a average tiger!!
theanimatorization 15 hours ago
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they animate bears & lions killing tigers
but
in real life there r so many real youtube videos
Tiger killing Bear & Lions
C0mmentar 1 week ago
@C0mmentar Stop your whining. Fact: A full grown Grizzly could kill a Siberian Tiger, no problem
beefgator 1 week ago
@beefgator not true, tigers have speed which is their main advantage. They're more agile and so have the ability to back up and then run again
peterisawesomeyoukno 1 week ago
@peterisawesomeyoukno A Tiger has speed and agility & is more aggresive, but its claws are made for grabbing and tearing, which really doesn't serve it well against a Grizzlys thick hide. Grizzlys use thier claws for digging & crushing, and can shatter the femur on a Moose. When the Tiger goes in for a kill it goes for the neck, and at close range a Gizzly (twice the weight of a Tiger) would destroy the Tiger.
beefgator 1 week ago
@C0mmentar The reason they got this wrong and hence the general public agrees based on the dislikes, is because tigers have speed giving them a distinct advantage
peterisawesomeyoukno 1 week ago
@C0mmentar your not that bright are you ?
mikereddy23 1 week ago
@C0mmentar And that has what to do with this video? I guarantee whatever shithole of a country you live in, us burger eating rednecks would whip your ass
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ENTERRAPTURE20 1 week ago
stupid shit - tigers hunt bears then they cant get enother food,It breaks backs of a horse with one blow paws. Siberian tiger is strongest cat and predator on an earth surface not including sea inhabitants
MrScumSlayer 1 week ago
the bear would win in a head to head fight like tht beacause if the tigar tried to bite the bears neck he would just hit him with his paw so shove tht shit up ur ass
decoy89105 1 week ago
they don't take into account the Tiger's massive speed. That bear wouldn't have landed a paw so devastatingly on a tiger, give me a break.
vennylos 1 week ago
speed do not matter
decoy89105 1 week ago
A brown bear can be up to 3 times larger than a full grown male tiger...... You do the math.... Idiots!
tignorjt 1 week ago
Tiger is FUCKING STRONGER !!!!!!!!!! (you said it was a lion in the description) FAILL
RsXbox360Enpror 1 week ago
the bears bigger and stronger
decoy89105 1 week ago
@decoy89105 The Tiger is faster and fight better, Bigger doesnt mean stronger
RsXbox360Enpror 1 week ago
maybe a brown bear can kill a cougar, but a fully growing tiger!!! sorry that's impassible...
AmricanEagl 2 weeks ago
a bear could kill a tigar
decoy89105 1 week ago
why not just get a video of real full grown male siberian tiger vs a real grizzly bear, instead of a brown bear.
darktigerx 2 weeks ago
what show is this??
rambo56465 2 weeks ago
i think in real. chance is a 50% 50%
TheArmWarrior 2 weeks ago
TROLLLLLLLLLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL bear is #1
the1999boys 2 weeks ago
People underestimate bears all the time, Because they dont look as deadly... If you have actually seen these animals in action they are extremely deadly! Some of them are bigger than a car and are able to rip trees in half
MaybeFatal 2 weeks ago
Unreal! In reality both could win it depends on one's actual spirit.
RifleAngelWaterfall 2 weeks ago
well this goes against actual evidence and historic reports of tigers actively hunting grizzlies. so shows like this with "experts" analyzing data to come up with a conclusion on who would win in a theoretical fight (which is a completely useless study) have no standing. deadly warriors is another one.
Salvus967 2 weeks ago
@Salvus967 You don't even know what you are talking about, Tigers never met/fight with grizzlies, they fight with european/asian brown bears. The Grizzly Bear lives only in North America and is stronger, faster and bigger than other types of Brown Bears. In fact, there is a video here on youtube showing a small Grizzly Bear defeating an attacking Tiger in a one sided fight, go and check it out to see the true power of Grizzly bears (even if it's a small one)
TheSpymat 1 week ago
@TheSpymat yeh i saw that video i think... was it from the 60s or 70s or something? i saw another one where a tiger killed and ate a bear so whatever...anyway, those two were in india. not a siberian tiger.
Salvus967 1 week ago
@Salvus967 The bear killed by a tiger in that video was a sloth bear, a species that averages about half the size of a same-sex Bengal tiger, plus the sloth bear had cubs (thus a female) and the tiger was male. Nothing impressive if a tiger kills one. Brown bears, on the other hand, have been known to kill adult male tigers in fights. Tigers have never been recorded killing adult male brown bears, and the largest one ever killed by a tiger was a 170 kg female (a fat sub-adult).
NavyDogfish 1 week ago
@NavyDogfish The Siberian Tiger will wipe the floor with a Brown bear.
vennylos 1 week ago
@vennylos Read the scientific publications from the Siberian Tiger Project. They never found one adult male brown bear killed by a tiger, but they have seen adult male tigers killed and some tigers even eaten by brown bears. They have also identified "satellite bears", brown bears that follow tigers over extended time periods, sequentially usurping tiger kills. If you were right, brown bears wouldn't be able to take the tigers' food. Try to figure that one out.
NavyDogfish 1 week ago
Bullshit
MrJohcool 2 weeks ago
una mierda de video !!!!
klaberka1 3 weeks ago
ahahahha lol this should be in the comedy categorie
garioldwin 3 weeks ago
A tiger would never attack a bear, because of his size.
Eveninx 3 weeks ago
@Eveninx How big do you think bears are?lol
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 Well, when he is standing he's very tall.. tigers don't face an opponent bigger then him, they are not stupid.
Eveninx 3 weeks ago
1st of all y have a tiger in a winter scene
TheBusyBean2 3 weeks ago
That horribly animated bear killed that horribly animated tiger
111olbap 4 weeks ago
That's pretty much bullshyt.. I went to some circus and I saw them fighting before the circus started.. It was a grizzly bear vs a tiger.. The bear didn't get one hit.. I saw the fight.. It lasted about 20 seconds.. The tiger just kept hitting and and at the end started choking him.. If the guards didn't stop it im pretty sure the beat would died.. So this video is bs..
ReReDCo 1 month ago
@ReReDCo well let a tiger try to get a hold of a Kodiak Bear
Kane16802 3 weeks ago
this leaves out the tiger top qualities speed and astuteness
leodecol 1 month ago
Omg this is so fuckin stupied this soooo fuckin stupied no wonder this show got taken off the air cause they didnt make it right its gotta be simulated right yeah a bear can weigh about 500 to 600 when a fully grown male tiger can be 800 or more and i have proof from scienst say that tigers feed on bears not canadian kodiaks but regular brown bears also cougars live with bears an are half there size and usually always lose to the cougars they dont even eat each other they battle Again FAKE!
Prevail002 1 month ago
@Prevail002 From what I can decipher from this jumble of random words and stupidity tells me that you just need to go away. And there is no such thing as a "regular brown bear" compared to a kodiak. They're all one species.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Great display at avoiding the question.lol
Oh so you agree that the tiger can take down an Indian elephant. Adult rhinos are taken by tigers in Kazaranga National Park. Bull gaur are taken by tigers on a regular basis. Nothing is immune from a tiger.
You are a 'Yank' so its obvious why you're biased for your beloved bear but don't let it cloud your judgement.
Its desperation when someone has to claim that he is some sort of expert but yet sits on YouTube all day long
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Nothing is immune from a tiger? Just curious, but does that mean you think that killer whales and great white sharks are also prey for them?
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish I'm so glad you made that reply because it sums up you're stupidity. WELL DONE.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 You're one to talk about stupidity. I'm not the one who implied that sharks and orcas are vulnerable to tiger predation. I'm not the one who said they prey on bull gaur, elephants and rhinos. They almost always go after very young or old gaur. Not mature bulls. They rarely kill even baby rhinos and elephants. Face the facts. Tigers aren't perfect.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish Remind me when i used the words sharks and orcas.
You are right you're not the one saying tigers kill bull gaur, elephants and rhinos. I'm the one saying tigers kill bull gaur, elephants and rhinos. Get over it.
You need to take you're blinkers off and stop making a fool out of yourself.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 You're the only one making a fool of himself. Only a fool thinks that tigers regularly kill giants like adult rhinos, elephants and bull gaur. You said "Nothing is immune from a tiger." Meaning everything is potential prey for them. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that even killer whales and white sharks fall under "everything".
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish Oh i forgot you're retarded. I'll explain it for you.
Tigers live in Asia and the Russian Far East. OK
Tigers kill everything in their domain. OK
Which means nothing is immune from a tiger. OK
Now go and play with the buses.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Nothing is immune eh? Then please explain why The Siberian Tiger Project, after over a decade of tracking tigers, NEVER found an adult male brown bear killed by a tiger. Plus, I noticed you cited George Schaller quite a few times. Yet you left out that in "The Deer and the Tiger: A Study of Wildlife in India", he stated that he witnessed a 1/12 success rate for hunting tigers. He said "probably at least twenty unsuccessful attempts were made for each animal captured."
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish I see you like to misquote Dale Miquelle.lol
"According to Dale Miquelle, a leading expert on Siberian tigers. Its nothing rare for tigers to be killed by brown bears."
What a fanatic you are.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 You've got absolutely NO room to call other people fanatics. You say that nothing's immune from a hunting tiger. You deny every piece of scientific evidence against the tiger. I never said that's what he said word for word, but according to "The Shadow of Kilimanjaro: On the Foot Across East Africa" he was the first to establish dominance between tigers and brown bears. And the brown bears were on top.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish Really???? Well in the book "The Last Big Cats" the tiger Dale slaughtered 8 brown bears twice his weight.
So who is telling lies????
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 You are the one telling lies. I already gave you a scientific publication (Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation) written by Dale Miquelle, one of the scientists who actually followed that tiger (something the author of "The Last Big Cats" didn't do) which stated that even the largest one he killed was 10 kg smaller than the tiger. Again, you just keep throwing in the same crap even after it's disproved. Get over yourself.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish You're talking bollocks i've read that report. And it wasn't just written by Dale Miquelle.
If you're gonna tell a lie at least make it a good one.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 I'm not telling lies. But you don't want to believe anything that doesn't support the tiger. Not my problem.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 I know this is going to end up just like last time. I prove all my statements. Miquelle has seen tigers being killed by brown bears, adult males included. You give absolutely NO proof, you just keep making false claims with nothing to support them, so let's just say I'm right and you're wrong, and call it a day. Everyone knows you're the biggest tiger fanatic on the planet. I should've realized that you're a lost cause a long time ago.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish Show me were Dale Miquelle says he seen male tigers killed by brown bears???
You're a born liar and the worst type of fanatic.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Born liar? Worst type of fanatic? These things are only what describes yourself. I already told you, if you read chapter 19 of "Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation", it'll tell you everything. But I know you won't, simply because it disproves your biased claims about tigers killing brown bears and your claim that tigers are dominant over brown bears. Give it up.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish
World Conservation Society: Russia
Elk, wild boar and sika deer, and roe deer make up about 80% of tiger prey across tiger range, with smaller animals such as badger and raccoons, and larger animals such as black and even brown bears being taken during the summer months. One radio-collared tiger studied (Dale) by World Conservation Society ate more bears than anything else, at least during the summer months.
Eat shit fanboy.lol
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 I know about that tiger. But it was just one extreme case. The biggest brown bear he killed was similar in size to him, and they never found any other tigers behaving like that. Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation also says that no adult male brown bears were known to be killed by tigers.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish
In Last Of The Big Cats all the bears were stated to be twice as heavy as he was.
All the bears he killed were in the "summer" months not "winter" months, which means the bears were at their peak when killed by Dale. So the theory that tigers only kill hibernating bears is bullshit as the World Conservation Society proves.
This was recorded because Dale was a radio-collared tiger. What about the other tigers that are not radio-collared?
Think about it.
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 I wish you'd stop bringing up what Bauer wrote. Chapter 19 Tigers of the Sikhote-Alin Reserve: Ecology and Conservation proves that it's false. The largest brown bear that's ever been found in Sikhote-Alin weighed 760 lbs. The tiger was 400 lbs. All the brown bears would've had to be adult males to be anywhere near that size, but no adult male brown bears were known to be taken. Even by him.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish
hahahaha Live in denial my friend. I'm finished with you. NEXT!!!!!!!!
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 Denial? Sorry, but all you had was "what about the other tigers that are not radio-collared?" That doesn't prove anything. I am not the one living in denial. I'm not the one falsely claiming that my animal regularly kills elephants, rhinos and predators twice its size. Tigers aren't perfect my friend. I hope you learn that some day.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 And for the record, "Dale" wasn't the only tiger that was collared. Still we've yet to hear about another tiger behaving the way he was. That suggests that tigers acting like that are rare, and it's not likely we'll find another one any time soon.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish Thats because "Dale" killed every bear in the research area.lol
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 Good one, but I hope it was just a joke. They didn't find any adult male brown bears killed by tigers. If you were serious, that implies no male brown bears were in the research area. But that wasn't the case.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish
Look i read and research. You overrated the bear way to much. The average weight for a male brown bear is 450-500lbs. If you get "ambushed" by a hungry tiger you're going down.
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 Which is it then? Are you going to believe WCS Russia's website or not? Because it quite clearly states that male Kamchatka brown bears can weigh up to 700 kgs. You believe what supports the tiger, but when it's pro-brown bear, you want no part of it. I don't overrate the brown bear at all, but you continue to make false claims and on top of it you bash a site you yourself have used info from. But saying tigers prey on bull gaur, elephants and rhinos? That's overrating.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 I don't doubt that you read and research, but you're just so biased for tigers that you disregard anything that doesn't support them. Dale Miquelle: first to establish dominance between them and says it's the brown bear on top. You bash him. Siberian Tiger Project: says the largest brown bear any tiger killed was 170 kgs, including an extreme case they tracked. You bash it. Erwin Bauer: says the same tiger (which he didn't track) killed 8 300+ kg bears. You believe him.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish
Maurice Hornocker was one of the biologists who tracked "Dale" when he slaughtered brown bears for fun. The reference Erwin A Bauer used was taken from Maurice Hornockers book on his work in Siberia with tigers.
Track of the Tiger: Legend and Lore of the Great Cat. Maurice Hornocker. San Francisco. Sierra Club books. 1997
Its now time to face up to reality.
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 I've read that book. It never said the bears were twice his weight. I am facing reality, you're not. You love tigers so much that it's clouding your judgement. I've given you nothing but solid proof and you denied it all. You've contradicted sites you've taken info from as well, eliminating all your credibility, assuming you had any to start with. You say nothing that's true, so let's just say I'm right, you're wrong, and leave it at that. I'm done with this.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish Don't talk shit.lol
Why the hell would you read a book on tigers? You know nothing about tigers.
Leave it, you're done.
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 If you must know, I would read a book about tigers because unlike you, I'm not so biased that I'd only look at one side of the subject. I researched on both animals before I came to the conclusion brown bear>tiger. I also read enough, unlike you, to know that tigers have limited capabilities, and that elephants, rhinos and bull gaurs are not prey for them. You can try to act like you've won this, but you lost a long time ago. You proved basically nothing you said.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish Your last statement just confirmed how foolish you are.
"One tigress at Kanha jumped on the back of an adult bull gaur from a stream bank, bit him in the back of the neck, bearing him to the ground, and then grasped his throat, a reconstruction based on the tracks at the site and tooth marks on the dead animal"
The Deer and the Tiger: A Study of Wildlife in India. George B Schaller. University Of Chicago Press. (page 290-291)
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 I'm not the foolish one. You're trying to say that just one occurrence of a tiger killing a bull gaur can be used to generalize that they regularly kill them. Page 62 of the book "Wild and Beautiful" that I cited tells of a Russian hunter witnessing a fight in which a shatun brown bear was ambushed by a tiger, but killed it and ate it. By your own logic, that means shatun brown bears regularly kill and eat tigers. It's hard to accept, I know, but tigers aren't flawless.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish
"A Russian hunter"???? hahahahahaha Yeah very reliable source.
So a Russian hunter watched a tiger and bear fight but yet both animals didn't sense or see the hunter?????lol
Get real man.
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 Lol, rickson, just lol. That's your most pathetic argument yet. If you don't want to believe my witness then I really don't have any reason to believe yours. The huntsman wasn't trying to kill either of them so they obviously paid more attention to each other. The same can be said for that tiger/gaur fight you cited. But your rebuttals got so weak, I'm through. Plus, you're the one who needs to get real. Only a fool believes tigers regularly hunt elephants and rhinos.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish
I think George B Schaller is more reliable than an un-named Russian hunter.
"The huntsman wasn't trying to kill either of them"
What the hell was he doing then?lol So now you're saying a Russian "hunter" just happened to stumble across a tiger and bear fighting and stood and watched it????lol
Please stop because everybody is laughing at you.
w0wyourbun1 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 actually everyone is laughing at you
blackyonbi 2 weeks ago
@NavyDogfish No way can a tiger take on a full grown gaur, nevertheless rhinos or elephants. Maybe calf's but not adults. Also a full grown brown bear is too much for a single tiger.
MedievalJester 1 week ago
@MedievalJester Exactly what I've been saying. What's constantly overlooked is that nearly all gaur killed are young or sick. Karanth & Sunquist (1995) found that the average size of gaurs killed by tigers in Nagarahole was 287 kg, showing that nearly all of them were babies. Even Schaller (1967) found that nearly 50% of the gaurs killed by tigers were under 4 months old and the species takes 2-3 years to mature. As for brown bears, the Siberian Tiger Project tells us everything.
NavyDogfish 1 week ago
@NavyDogfish People that say that tiger hunt adult gaurs "regularly" are out of their minds or are simply tiger fans. A bull gaur would be a nightmare for a tiger in a face to face fight. They probably say that to counter that tigers hunt big pray alone and lion hunt in packs, so therefore the tiger is superior. But the truth is tigers only go for the young and sick not a healthy bulls.
MedievalJester 1 week ago
@w0wyourbun1 I'll be honest: I'm tired of this. If you want to believe that brown bears really average 500 lbs and that tigers regularly dine on bull gaur, rhino and elephant meat, go ahead and do so. That's your problem. But don't say I didn't warn you.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 By the way, if you read page 62 of "Wild and Beautiful" by Kalyani Davidar, you'll know that not all ambush attempts end in success for tigers, as well as what happens when a tiger tries to ambush a brown bear and its first pounce misses, even if the brown bear is a shatun (a male, but quite old and usually starving). The tiger would've learned that it wasn't really at the top of the food chain, but it didn't live long enough.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
@w0wyourbun1 I understand your view of the subject, but the Siberian Tiger Project tracked tigers in the only place they naturally coexist with brown bears for over a decade. The way I see it, if they did ever kill adult male brown bears it would've become more obvious by now. Also, in "Food Habits of Amur tigers in Sikhote-Alin Zapovednik and the Russian Far East, and implications for conservation", it stated that bear, black and brown, were only 2.2% of tiger kills.
NavyDogfish 3 weeks ago
Es ist blödsinn anzunehmen das der Bär gewinnt. Ausgewachsene sibierische Tiger bringen das selbe Gewicht auf die Waage wie ein Braunbär. Mal gewinnt der Tiger mal der Bär.
Joker01977 1 month ago
The largest Brown Bear ever documented killed by a Tiger was a youngster female weighing around 170 kg. She was killed in winter while hibernating. It was said it was more of a fat Bear and not a large one. Except from that one, Tigers will usually not dare to attack that large Bears. Also, there has never been any known attempts of Tigers attacking male Bears while hibernating. But they have seen Tigers turning away from dens with male Bears and going in the opposite direction in a hurry.
Norwegian733 1 month ago
пиздец говно
ShantorChervitz 1 month ago
Pound for pound, every cat on the planet easily owns any bear. A bear has to be significantly larger than a cat to stand a chance of surviving.
FreeRadical1015 1 month ago
@FreeRadical1015 Thats actually not correct. Pound for pound the Brown Bear is still a stronger fighter than a Tiger. ANd there is no way Tigers will go face to face with any grown Brown Bear at the same size.
The Tiger has to be much larger to take a chance like that.
Norwegian733 1 month ago
Tigers do kill adult brown bears in Siberia.
FreeRadical1015 1 month ago
@FreeRadical1015 Most Bears killed are cubs. Secondly its small youngster females, mostly killed while hibernating. A Brown Bear is not fully grown/adult until its 5 yrs old.
Brown Bears in inland Siberia (Sikhote- Alin area) are very small. Its not unusual that a grown females weighes +/- 100 kg. Largest males may rearly reach 350 kg. An adult Brown Bear 170- 180 kg has no other treaths than other Bears.
Norwegian733 1 month ago
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gblueslover2 1 month ago
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@FreeRadical1015 Then logic would require that, if these bears you speak of are equal to grizzly bears in America, that these tigers get killed too BY BEARS, at a MUCH higher rate than bears getting killed by tigers.
gblueslover2 1 month ago
@FreeRadical1015 Yes, you are most likely right. But more often than not, the bear IS significantly larger. That's it's whole deal, bears are big and powerful. You cant just strip the bear's biggest advantage for the sake of your argument. At least by recognizing the fact that a brown bear can be significantly larger than a tiger you have shown much more basic ecological knowledge than w0wyourbun1.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo You see this is were your brain fails. Lets go with your 1500lb bear.
1. If a 500/600lb tiger goes head to head with a 1500lb brown bear, the tiger will get destroyed with ease.
2. If a 1500lb brown bear gets "ambushed" by a 500/600lb tiger, the bear will most likely be killed.
What have we learned today???? Fighting and hunting are two different things.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 I don't want this turning into something akin to a forum flame war, so don't try to patronize me. I have extensive field and lecture experience and am confident in my knowledge of the difference between fighting and hunting. That being said, I agree with your 2 points to an extent, although a tiger would most likely never try to even ambush a bear simply due to a predator's ability to weigh costs versus benefits. Simply put, tigers are not as stupid as you apparently believe.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Tigers take down bigger/stronger prey than Brown bears on a regular basis. Nothing that roams the tigers domain is immune from a hungry tiger. Even the Indian elephant has fell victim to the tiger. So you're in no position to claim a tiger would "never" ambush a bear. You have no idea what you're talking about.
The reason Siberian tigers hunt bears is for survival because its main prey items are disappearing. So in order to survive a tiger will hunt and kill anything.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Yeah, they really take down elephants on a regular basis. A regular basis meaning once. If food is so scarce that a tiger would resort to hunting a bear, then that tiger will likely come nowhere close to this magical 600 pound mark that you claim. Wildlife ecology 101 dude. Get off the internet and do some actual field and lab research. Wikipedia just won't cut it.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Yep. Even the largest wild Siberian tiger that's been found in decades was a large male that was radio-collared in May 2011 and only weighed 460 lbs. This guy's just hopeless to think that a tiger weighs 600 lbs and that a brown bear can't reach 1,500 lbs. The sad thing is I think he knows what he's saying is untrue, but he's just so biased that he refuses to admit it.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish Yeah I'm getting that feeling too. It's just kind of frustrating arguing with such an obvious amateur. He knows he's wrong and will never admit it so I think I'm just going to leave him to his biases.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish I've viewed some of your comments on other videos and, again, while I generally disapprove of hypothetical animal pit matches, you display sound ecological knowledge based on what I'm guessing is a well-established framework. Kudos.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
The bear would outfight the tiger. They have more heart and are tenacious and bloody minded. Give it to the Grizzly and it will dominate, bring on the polar and it will annihilate!
jamesthedude1977 1 month ago
Just stupid cartoons, everybody knows that the tiger is more powerful.
deeaandredeea 1 month ago
@deeaandredeea of course the tiger is powerful,but look that bear,do you think the tiger is powerful to do the same think the bear did?no,because the bear has more power to do,if that bear strikes you with its paw,you die
MrMattRib 1 month ago
@MrMattRib Yes I think you are right, the bear is bigger but the tiger is so awesome:)
deeaandredeea 1 month ago
one of those stupid simulations.
Cyriusblade 1 month ago
bad cgi
Gaaraoftheonetails 1 month ago
im a tiger fan and i think this show is stupid but i have to admit obviously a bear would winn they are twice the size. but it would not win by breaking the tigers back wtf kind prediction is that lol retarded
youtubar 1 month ago
@all. Well.....let me fight with bear .....who is winner ? Anyone support me ??? Ps can I take the gun ?
angus92721 1 month ago
To all the delusional tiger lovers out there, there is no tiger that could beat a fully grown Brown Bear. Brown Bears are way too big and powerfull. Do some research before you idiots start saying a tiger would win. Bear wins every time.
316greg 1 month ago
@316greg State facts not opinions.
ISetYourFaceOnFire 1 month ago
@316greg the bear would be at a stalemate because it can't catch the tiger
Gaaraoftheonetails 1 month ago
Michael bay eat your heart out!
quantumreflex 1 month ago
1:02 You bitch!
MsFormule1 1 month ago
Stupid result ...everyone knows the tiger will win
angus92721 1 month ago
@angus92721 Naw brah you see you are a moron you know shit a brown bear is a tank it's built for both defense and offence it's thick fat and hide gives it it's protection from a serious bite. A bear's swipe is enough to kill a human in one blow and sure enough leave a big cat fatally wounded if not, kill it.
cradiIy 1 month ago
@angus92721 Stupid thing to say when reality is that statistics shows that grown male Brown Bears totally rules Siberian Tigers. There is not even one recording of a male Brown Bear killed by a Tiger. But several male Tigers have been killed by Brown Bears over food disputes. Tigers may prey and kill Bear cubs and smalle young females while hibernating, but that is not really so impressive. Look behind the numbers, dummies.
Norwegian733 1 month ago
@Norwegian733 You are 100% correct any reasonable person knows that a tiger is no match for a fully grown Brown Bear!!!
316greg 1 month ago
@angus92721 Ignore @Norwegian733 because he is the worst bear fanatic on YouTube.
A tiger named 'Dale' slaughtered 8 brown bears in a 3 month period while being tracked by biologists. Dale weighed 400lbs and the brown bears he killed were twice his size. Infact Dale fought one of the brown bears head-on and won.
If you want the source just ask.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Dale did not kill any Brown Bear twice his size. And certainly did it not fight a grown Brown Bear head to head.
Norwegian733 1 month ago
@Norwegian733
The wise one has spoken, all hail the wise one. IDIOT
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Fake. Don't listen to any of this. Bears (Brown, Kodiak) are bigger, have more muscle and a bigger mouth than tigers. I'd like to see a Kodiak go against the supposed "Dale"
WasikBird 1 month ago
@WasikBird
1. Kodiak bears don't co-exist with tigers.
2. Tigers have more muscle mass that bears at equal weights.
3. "Dale" has sadly passed on.
Read a few books and get an education.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Hey, you saw the SCIENTIFIC data with your own eyes. You can look up real fights too. Gotta face the facts. :)
WasikBird 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 "Tigers have more muscle mass than bears at equal weights." This would be relevant if there were weight classes in the wild. There are not. Total muscle mass is total muscle mass and size is still size.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Well there are weight classes in the wild. The average male brown bear will average 500-600lbs in the wild. The same with the Siberian tiger, so its clear the tiger has more muscle mass.
At equal weights the tiger will win.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 500-600 pounds? The average grizzly weighs on the upper end of that scale, and they are extremely small for a brown bear. That's averaging in sows. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you accidentally took the average weight of both male and female grizzlies. It happens. To say that the average coastal brown bear is the same size as a Siberian tiger (which, by the way, rarely even approaches 600 pounds) is simply asinine.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Largest Siberian Tiger found since 1992 was "only" 206 kg. Thats about 450 pounds. And you are right that Brown Bears are totally superior fighters. They have lots of endurance, while Tigers will give up if the attack ends up in a fight. And Bears are supreme fighters because of their short body makes them project power sideways with much more force than a long Tiger. After the Tiger is forced down its pretty much over for the Tiger.
Norwegian733 1 month ago
All right here it goes. While I disapprove of the whole "get two animals together in a deathmatch" mentality, in direct inter specific predatory competition the dominant species is ALMOST ALWAYS THE LARGER ANIMAL. Large Kamchatka brown bears regularly weigh twice as much as a very large Siberian tiger and accordingly usually dominate territory disputes. In fact, the ONLY recorded cases of tigers killing adult bears occur when the tiger ambushes the bear during or immediately after hibernation.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Kamchatka brown bears don't co-exist with Siberian tigers. Ussuri brown bears co-exist with Siberian tigers. Brown bears bolt at the sight or smell of a Siberian tiger.
Brown bears know the strengths of the Siberian tiger and thats why brown bears will avoid them at all costs.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Really? Is that why Brown Bears often follow Siberian Tigers and take their kills from them? And as usuall the Tigers have to give up the food and let the Bear have it. Not much they can do about it.,
I can assure you that a fully grown male Brown Bear does not fear a Tiger what so ever.
Norwegian733 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Subspecies differentiation between brown bears is largely arbitrary and is a matter of great debate among taxonomists. There is little physiological difference between a Kamchatka and an ussuri other than a slightly greater size in the Kamchatka based on diet due to geographical location. And brown bears dont "avoid tigers at all costs", they just are not active hunters. They are opportunists that prefer to take the easiest meal possible. Tigers do not count as easy meals.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Your wrong on that one.
Every animal would try and avoid a 500-600lb four-legged razor blade which is a 100% meat eater. It makes evolutionary sense for a bear to avoid a formidable foe such as the Siberian tiger.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 And I could say every animal would try to avoid a 1500 pound wrecking ball with longer claws, a thick layer of protective fat and infinitely more physical power than your "four-legged razor blade". Seriously, give me ONE good reason why a large Siberian tiger would be able to overpower a large boar brown bear.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Trust me you'll never find a 1500lb brown bear in the wild. The average weight for brown bears is 500-600lbs, so stop with the 1500lb bears shit.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 I worked as an assistant field tech in central New York for two years and have on numerous occasions tagged BLACK bears approaching 600 pounds. There are literally hundreds of cases of brown bears approaching and exceeding 1500 pounds in the wild. I am debating with you because I thought you would at least be rational, but now I see you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo No offense but lots of people come on to these videos pretending to be some sort of expert without really knowing if they are or not. I could claim i worked as a field biologist tagging Siberian tigers,
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 I understand why you would be skeptical about my qualifications as you are right in that I have no way to physically verify them. And even I myself would not call myself an "expert" as I haven't yet obtained my phd (just received my m.s. last spring and fingers crossed I can get out west for a legit doctoral program). I have no idea what me being a "Yank" has anything to do with a ridiculous animal fight video, but we should end this since it's starting to get personal.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo Well if you are legit in your claims that you have conducted field studies on black bears then i apologise. The fact is to many people are biased for the brown bear because the bear is native to their countries.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 Yeah that would be a silly reason to back any animal. The closest brown bear to me is around 2,000 miles away so I don't really have that issue. The only wild animal I have an emotional connection to is the American black bear, and trust me I have no delusions of a black bear competing with a tiger.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
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@MrFishinBoo No offense but lots of people come on to these videos pretending to be some sort of expert without really knowing if they are or not. I could claim i worked as a field biologist tagging Siberian tigers,
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@MrFishinBoo I agree completely. When one combatant has size, strength, intelligence, reach AND stamina all on his side, he'll win more often than not. An animal that weighs up to 1,500 lbs against an animal that now rarely even approaches the 600 lb mark. That should be a no-brainer for most people. I thought that would make it easy for w0wyourbun1 because he has NO brains. But obviously, some people are just so biased that they're hopeless.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish Yeah, some people just have no idea of basic inter-specific predatory principles. Although it renews my faith in humanity that at least most people here agree that the larger predator overwhelmingly dominates.
MrFishinBoo 1 month ago
@NavyDogfish Awwwh is someone feeling upset???
"An animal that weighs up to 1,500 lbs" hahahahahaha
You're more likely to see a UFO or the Virgin Mary than a 1,500lb Brown bear in the wild. The average weight of a male brown bear is 500lbs, so stop embarrassing yourself in front of the YouTube community.
w0wyourbun1 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 You're the only one embarrassing yourself. You can't give the average size of ALL brown bears in one figure. There are experts saying that there are 80-90 subspecies of brown bear. Some, like the European brown bear, are so small that males rarely surpass 400 lbs. But on the Kodiak Archipelago, the males weigh 1,058-1,175 lbs over the course of the year on AVERAGE. 1,500 lb coastal males aren't rare at peak times. Stop being foolish. You've become a laughingstock.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
@w0wyourbun1 For the record, according to W.C.S. Russia, male Kamchatka brown bears can reach a weight of 700 kgs. Unlike you, they have experience with these things. They've weighed these beasts in the wild. Something you've clearly never done, otherwise you'd know that your claim of all male brown bears averaging 500 lbs is total nonsense.
NavyDogfish 1 month ago
its not real so i stil think the tiger would won
youknow3944 1 month ago