Expert Peter Lineham talks about Brian Tamaki and Destiny Church - Excellent Insight

[SGTSlauhta]

tamaki is a fraud & theif, putting himself higher than God, meant to go to church to worship the Lord not man, Tithing was from the old testament meant for Levites who were the preists, tithing was not just money it was goods such as food, clothes & items to supply the levites, Greedy pastors like tamaki twist the bible to suit themselves and their extravagent lifestyle,paid for by suckers who worship him before the Lord, Tamaki is only human & sins like all of us, he aint no god or prophet

[1986mafi]

homo thats all!!! blasphemy to claim your the direct line to god!!!

[H0tkebab]

Everyone's my cuzzie in New Zealand, except for Brian Tamaki and Winston Peters.

[ronzin01]

to all those of you of the "chaos"movement recognize there is too much order for there not to be a deity,and for those of the agnostic movement its not ordered chaos it's productive life.Recognize man!

[cyphastylez]

Brian Tamaki is a very intelligent guy !

To know the truth , You got to know facts .

If you want to know the truth

watch this movie Zeitgeist the Movie

Its on Youtube

[chrizbie]

I had to serve Brian once, hardest thing I ever did.

[billydilly1]

I just Farted

[BBOYMAHZ]

lmao he (peter) sounds like he has a male partner

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Why would that make his argument more or less valid?

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Half the congregation has seen the light and left the Brisbane franchise. Look for other to follow.

[1inAtrillion]

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today & FOREVER!

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Nothing yesterday, nothing today and nothing forever?

[1inAtrillion]

Bishop Brian Tamaki is preaching the Truth! Peter Lineham has no idea what he is talking about and is making it up as he goes along.

[ratutevita]

the christian god of the bible does not exist. if tamaki is preaching that particular fairy tale then he ISNT preaching the truth.

[1inAtrillion]

@ratutevita The God of the bible is alive !

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

By alive do you mean be changed and edited to suit those who used it? In that case yes it is.

[1inAtrillion]

@ratutevita Jesus Christ is alive and is seated at the right hand of God the Father. The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. There are billions of people who have encountered the power of the risen Christ and have a LIVING Relationship with Him.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

But he said he was coming back before all those present had died. Even if they lived 200 years as some were known to do he is still late by 1800 year

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Wow are you still going? The bible contradicts itself in so many ways that it would be thrown out as a reference by any logical person.

[cerasurfer]

TheDogCalledBaxter has many many points put forth with no bias. He has never said he is right. Funny how you all get your knickers in a twist as soon as there is an inkling of doubt cast on your religion.. You all have the right to beleive what you want....but SO DO WE

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Calling Poe's Law on this one.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

There is no way this guy is for real. No one is that ignorant.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

I am sure understand "gods word" better than most Christians.

Very few Christians have read the bible from cover to cover./ If they had they would know it condones child sacrifice, slavery, genocide etc. Hardly a book to base ones morals on.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Except for the fact there is no hell for them to rot in.

[1inAtrillion]

@cerasurfer I think you are the one with money issues. Do you give any money to help any one? Probably not, more like jealousy issues I think and why do you have to pull other people down and wish them to rot in hell? That comes from Satan not God and you say you know God. Your God is obviously a demon but you are entitled to worship your God, oh and I didnt catch the name of your God? Is it the same god who murders kills hates and slanders... sounds like Satan

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Giving money to charity because it helps people is a good dead.

Given money to charity because you think it will earn you favour with a god is less so.

Giving money to a guy so he can buy new suits it just stupid and helps no one.

o rot in hell as I know it is made just like god, jesus and spongebob squarepants

I never wish anyone t

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

"Bring those who do not want me to be their king and slay them before me" - Jesus

Read your bible

[fanboyhater]

@TheDogCalledBaxter

That is not in the bible :/

[1inAtrillion]

@cerasurfer Satan exists wether you believe he is a fallen angel or not. One of his names in the bible is Accuser of the Brethren. One of  his character traits is to accuse christians and try to bring them down and destroy them, and discredit the work of God. Something to think about!

[cerasurfer]

and certainly dont serve satan by excercising my right of free speech....

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

How did your god not see that one coming?

Why does you god not vanquish him?

[1inAtrillion]

@cerasurfer You insult my Bishop you insult me, he is my friend, my brother in the Lord and my Bishop. Feel free to apologise any time you like.

[cerasurfer]

actually that comment was meant for someone else, but feel free to come back at me for the masses. I obviously hold no human right to have my own opinion... but I wont apologise for having that right. You Tube asks you to leave a comment...and look what I got.... maybe I should say I'm king of the jews, you guys can crucify me and get it over with.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Those who do not want their beliefs mocked should not have silly beliefs.

[vonunu]

I had a t-shirt printed " Destiny Church - Even worse than Scientology"

[bsdanielm]

Brian Tamaki is a greedy halfwit who uses his own members to acquire money for personal gain.

It baffles me how so many members cannot see this.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Have a look at the companies office.

[1inAtrillion]

@cerasurfer Yea you should be doing your research because you obviously dont know where the money is going or you wouldnt be saying the things you do.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Yea. Brian and his family only took home close to 1 million last year.

[taulangaono]

fuck brain tamaki and his church,,,,PRAISE BE TO ALLAH

[1inAtrillion]

@taulangaono your not even a muslim as you wouldnt be talking like that. Do you even know who Allah is?

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

He is another imaginary friend like Jesus.

[K1NGD0Msista]

i feel sori 4u peter..... u realy shod b carefull of wot u say... personally i think u mad because god didnt create adam and steve... so ur after to push people futher away from god coz u cant get ur way... or a man

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

I feel sorry for you. To have to type with a keyboard that has no shift key and misses so many letters must be difficult.

I love that you quote redneck Americans with your "Adam and Steve" quote. Do you really think god created humans 6000 years ago?

[1inAtrillion]

What a load of rubbish Mr Lineham! I have a direct line to God & so do many other christians. We also have outside reference points from other men of God around the world. Where do you get your facts from!

Funny how TVNZ think their view point is correct considering most there have no relationship with God at all! The Kingdom of Satan trying to tell the Kingdom of God what to do Ha Ha!

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Wow. This is scary. Why do you claim he is following Satan. Satan is an invention of Christians. As an atheist I know their is no evidence of god or satan.

[1inAtrillion]

@TheDogCalledBaxter You say as an atheist you know their is no evidence of god or satan. Prove It! Bet you cant !

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Ok. There is not a single study that has shown that any of the claims of Christians about there god are correct. Prayer studies funded by Christian organisations even show that it does not work.

The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim. If I tell you I can fly you would say prove it. You say you have a buddy with special powers and I say prove it.

[1inAtrillion]

@TheDogCalledBaxter There are ample studys and documented proof (if you bother to do some actual real research) that show that God has been right through out history. All 6 thousand years. Most of the evidence is from non christians. Even the Quran acknowledges the validity of Jesus Christ & all the miracles he did. And yes prayer does work, I use it every day, all it takes is faith in God. UNBELIEF gets you no where. There is ample proof you just have to look right in front of you

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

I am excited to hear that their are studies that show evidence of god. Could you please link to these.

The bible was not written during the time of "Christ" and is clearly based on many previous myth and legends. Much of the bible was then added to and deleted from over time. This is hardly a document with any intellectual validity.

The Quran mention Jesus to build creditability in the same way the bible modifies stories of Mithra and other previous gods.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Two more questions on prayer

1. If god has a plan is asking him to change it blasphemy?

2. If prayer works why does god never heal amputees?

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

And suddenly the responses stop. Ask Brian for an answer and get back to me.

[K1NGD0Msista]

@cerasurfer wot do you think hes doing??? the money they are getting do go towards poverty stupid!! do ur research b4 u speak

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

And boats, and houses, a motorbikes, a plastic surgery....

[K1NGD0Msista]

he was wealthy b4 he became bishop!

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

There is wealthy and WEALTHY. He is taking home several hundred thousand dollars. When combined with his wife and other family member they are taking home around 1 million a year.

"If you want to make real money start a religion" - L Ron Hubard

[oldpatreilly]

This guy (Brian Scamaki- Tamaki) wont even eat at the same table with his followers. He has a ELITE table for himself and close cronies. The plebians get the poor seats.

[plzMFwakeupmyhumanz]

you imagine all the destiny church goers giving one dollar every week "they probly give more $" but those thousands of people being taken for granted, it must be a very very very very large pay, i struggle to make 1,220$ & i have to work ten hours every day to reach those digits. i am still very happy thou, i already know how to live a happy life, because i simply learned of it. & i am glad, cause if i didn't, i would of made myself go to church & i possibly could of ended up @ destiny church$!

[aotearoastyle]

if all those people donated to a hospital , instead of a church , we'd be able to cure a lot more sick people with real medicines and real doctors , something brian tamaki cant do

[fitzyp]

That was insightful

[arifreeman]

Thanks Peter Linem!

[jonathanhelix]

This is Associate Professor Peter Lineham, of Massey University Auckland campus

[1inAtrillion]

Yeah and he doesn't know what he's talking about. All head knowledge & NO SUBSTANCE, just cause he is a professor does that make him an authority on the things of the Kingdom of God, NO!

I think Peter should go back to teaching math and leave the things of the Kingdom up to those called by God to do so!

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

The head is where the brain is so head knowledge is the only knowledge there is. He has studied religious groups and has seen what can happen.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

I see you have gone quiet. Ask Brian what to say and get back to me,.

[0deer0se]

Thanks for that Dan

[ADogCalledBaxter]

Brian Tamaki treats the bible like a salad bar and picks the bits that he finds tasty. While it is only a collection of fables and tales if you are willing to quote it you must be willing to have it used against you.

[P0stmanMatt]

Well said, apart for the fables part. God is my life. I must say, though, I'm tempted to use a label other than Christian considering some of the stuff masquerading for it these days. Because quite frankly, Christians of this sort would have a had time following what Jesus taught about life. How could they when they're following Brian?

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

How do you know that you are right and they are wrong?

[P0stmanMatt]

How do you know that you are right and I am wrong? Because that is exactly your line of thought, isn't it =)

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Based on probability is more likely that there is not a god.

Based on logic the Christian god can not exist. No god can be both infinitely just and infinitely merciful. If he is just then every punishment must fit the crime exactly but if he is infinitely merciful he must punish at less than the crime deserves.

Based on research prayer to the Christian god has been shown to have no effect.

Why do you think you are right ?

[P0stmanMatt]

As for probability, you're obviously a Dawkin's fan are you?

Improbability does not entail, and never has entailed, non-existence. We may be highly improbable, yet we are here, as well as the many other seemingly infinite improbabilties that EXIST in the universe.

The issue is not whether the Christian god is probable, but whether He is actual.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

Your obviously a Christian as you picked one of the three points. Took it out of context and then tried to discredit the message by implying I get my thoughts from Dawkins.

What I am saying is without evidence we can only work on probability. The odds of the Christian god existing are so small that it is foolish to believe he does until more evidence is presented.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

And no response.....

Talk to your bishop and get back to me.

[P0stmanMatt]

And, no, I haven't talked to my bishop/pastor/shepherd/elder. These are all synonymous to me. I don't like them being used as titles as they so frequently are.

[P0stmanMatt]

I never did answer about justice and mercy. You are right, though, I would not throw in the infinite addition. My Father is just in His very nature. So, He is required by His own character to act justly. But He also desires deeply to show mercy to His creation.

How could He be just while showing mercy? By pouring out the judgement/punishment/wrath for our sin on His own Son, who became a man to fulfill this very thing, and thus satisfied my Father's justice, that I might receive mercy.

[P0stmanMatt]

My Father's kingdom operates on the principle of mercy. But not all will receive such mercy. Because mercy is a humiliation, a humbling, a lowering of the one who would ask for it. It is in our case an admittance that the only right we have is that we all deserve to die. Nowadays, we are all about standing up for our rights. We don't have a clue how pathetic we are.

[P0stmanMatt]

But my Father wants to show us pathetic creatures mercy. And the very essence of mercy is that He doesn't have to show anybody mercy. He does not have to show us mercy. Let that sink in. But the fact is that He delights to. He is infinitely merciful to all who would cry out for it.

But do humans humble themselves and cry out for His mercy? Seldom. Very seldom. It is so abundantly available! God's justice has been satisfied forever in the death of Jesus who satisfied it.

[TheDogCalledBaxter]

@P0stmanMatt What an amazing load of drivel. You did not answer the question Does god show justice eg. Crime = Punishment or mercy Crime > Punishment both are not possible.