Part2- High Mass at Immaculate Conception Church

[nickelsT]

Beautiful traditional Mass but please get rid of that homely Protestant looking table! You only need the HIGH ALTAR!!!!!!!

[HeArtLesSAnGeL088]

i go to school there!

[williamwallac94]

these guys are the real TFP.

The "heralds of the gospel" are modernist rebels who are led by a power-hungry moron named Cla

[onyl02]

hello...can you type the lyrics of the opening hymn??? it's so solemn and awesome....

[MuffinMojo]

anyone know what the processional hymn was?

[Knight746]

A composition. Finis Venit.

Yet the revolted American TFP stole it from the Brazilian TFP. You see after their founders death, the Brazilian, French, American and Italian TFP's revolted and took illegal dictatorship control of the Board of Directers. Now one was given their legal vote. Now the orginal TFP, the Brazilian is back in the democratic control of the whole society after a court battle. Yet the US, FR and IT TFP's remain revolted sedevacanistas.

They are in all senses, pharisees.

[thebrrdman1]

According to the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, "A sung Mass (missa Cantata) is a modern compromise. It is really a low Mass, since the essence of high Mass is not the music but the deacon and subdeacon."

[pacislander4life]

If this is true, then what distinguishes a High Mass and a Solemn High Mass?

[thebrrdman1]

In the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, the terms "High Mass" and "Solemn High Mass" appear to be used somewhat interchangably. American Catholics who remember old times often call the Missa Cantata "High Mass" because it was the common substitute for Solemn High Mass in early missionary days in the U.S. and the name stuck.

[thebrrdman1]

Sample quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia: "The lighting of six candles upon the altar is now enjoined for every high Mass, four at every Missa Cantata, or for the private Mass of a bishop on festivals, and two for all other Masses."

[DanVilAl]

The presence of deacon and subdeacon, essentially that.

[kaparokyamo]

This seems to be a Mass for the Heralds of the Gospel. I heard of this movement from EWTN when they performed Christmas Carols at the Our Lady of the Angels Monastery in Hanceville, Alabama. Their habit is a bit similar to the Franciscans and they have a good charism.

[Knight746]

They are not the Heralds of the Gospel. They are a sectarian group that had history together. The Heralds are an institution of the Holy Catholic Church. They use the same habit (with some diferences), thought they are not allowed to. In several major diocese they have explicit prohibition (because they act outside of the Church as they don't respond to any bishop or the Vatican) like Miami. Take care with them. Mother Angelica knows about them.

[ChooseyBeggar86]

Wouldn't this be considered a Sung Mass, since there are no deacons?

[pacislander4life]

A sung Mass or Missa Cantata is technically a High Mass. A High Mass with Deacon and Subdeacon is called a Solemn High Mass.

[wreckso]

ICA mass in batac church. This is a mass folks in the lord's house. You are lucky to be invited in the proceedings and good on you to have watched it on the net. To argue about the style of mass, what is right and what is not is childish and both of you should grow up. One should not forget the true meaning of this beautiful mass...

[pacislander4life]

would you argue if we were talking about something like "liturgical dancing", if you wouldnt, and would likewise call that "childish", then I think the "true meaning" is lost in that situation as well.

~Laurence

[pacislander4life]

"rare" means something different from "don't", wouldnt you say?

Una Voce is not an order... who does the Una Voce Mass, diocesan?

[DanVilAl]

- MY only point was that this is not an "ideal" tridentine mass, my standard are the tridentine masses I have assited, SSPX or others, a subjective opinion on my own, but shared by others.

All those altar servers in that costume and walking like robots or zombies, like saying "look how disciplinated we are" this is a show.

[pacislander4life]

Certainly you are entitled to you opinion, as I am entitled to my opinion that you are making unfair judgments on their intentions. And sorry if I don't buy the "ideal" of the SSPX. I prefer to attend Traditional Masses in full communion with the Holy See.

[pacislander4life]

And besides, your descriptions of being "robot-like" are relative descriptions, considering those who attend the Novus Ordo, a properly celebrated one, would say the same thing about your SSPX Mass. What say you? Would you ask them to not judge your dispositions?

[pacislander4life]

Here again is another unfair generalization... The Novus Ordo was not created to be a show. It is often celebrated as such, but that does not mean it was intended as such.

[pacislander4life]

The New Mass is a valid Mass, whether the traditionalist likes it or not. It's one thing to favor the old Mass, it is another thing to reject the new. That is outright disobedience.

[pacislander4life]

I for one love the old Mass, and if it was available everyday, I would exclusively attend it. But that does not mean I would reject the new Mass...

[DanVilAl]

AFter some months I have changed my opinion.

Genuflections shouldn't be so abrupt. Nor the altar servers use that uniform.

[pacislander4life]

Out of curiosity, by what standard are you judging its inappropriateness?

[DanVilAl]

Oh, I just asked a FSSPX priest about this mass.

And also from the tridentine masses I have assisted.

[pacislander4life]

By FSSPX do you mean the Fraternal Society of Saint Pius X? or the Fraternity of Sant Peter?

[DanVilAl]

The former, Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X, the last is FSSP.

But I don't think any true traditionalist like the abrut KNEEL! in this mass.

[pacislander4life]

I am not trying to be argumentative, it's just that I think it is rather bold to say that anyone who does an abrupt genuflection is automatically not a "true traditionalist". Who says? Who decides? Is there a trad handbook I am not aware of?

[DanVilAl]

Of course not...

It's just an opinion. I haven't made any opinion pool about it.

But a noisy abrut genuflection screeming inside the church...

I don't know if that's usual in the United States

[pacislander4life]

Are you kidding me? In the US? I also attend the New Mass, and genuflections are quite rare! Sigh! And if they do genuflect, they ignorantly genuflect to the altar instead of the tabernacle.

[DanVilAl]

I wasn't talking about the "new mass"... you can't see a genuflection there!

I was talking about the tridentine mass, is usual to genuflect in that noisy way ?

[pacislander4life]

I would be careful about blanket generalizations; I figured that was the lesson with your trad comment. My friends and I genuflect in the New Mass. As far as "noise", do you usually experience 15 men genuflecting at the same time with boots on?

[DanVilAl]

That was my point!

Finally.

[pacislander4life]

What was your point? Do you usually observe 15 men genuflecting at the same time? Maybe that's what made it "loud"?

[DanVilAl]

Have you realized taht you are arguing against comments I never said?

Mhhhh...

- I haven't said a thing about the validity of the novus ordo.

- I haven't said a thing about who is a true or "false" traditionalist.

- I haven't said that teh novus ordo is a show.

[pacislander4life]

I took your comment "At least we do not use the traditional mass as a show" to be referring to the NO Mass. If you werent, my mistake. But, your comment that there are no genuflections in the NO, is just as erroneous.

[pacislander4life]

...or that anybody who likes to genuflect abruptly is not a "true traditionalist"

[Jm4steam]

Love it

[pacislander4life]

This was a Mass specifically for a Conference. I don't think it usually has the Tridentine Mass there.

[locolacz]

it doesn't sadly...I know. My family technically belongs to this parish. It's Novus Ordo through and through.

[edymull]

Why was the mobile altar left in place?????

[DanVilAl]

Indeed, It sounds maybe like XVI or XVII century chant?

[pacislander4life]

Not sure the time period...

[pacislander4life]

It's a very militant group... The American Society for the Defense of Tradition Family and Property tfp-dot-org... If you go to that site, you can download recordings of their chant... indeed it is quite "haunting"

[DanVilAl]

The chant it's interesting, intense, different from the softer one I've heard in other traditional masses. Or... is it just because it's a male chorus?

[pacislander4life]

This is the 1962 Missal...

[DanVilAl]

Awesome!

It's beautiful, the procession and the chant.

This mass was celebrated according to what missal ?