The one breaker bar you damage is that from harbor freight "Pittsburgh brand"? i have the same exact one and i was thinking about using it. can you let me know before i even use it cuz i know it's cheap but i don't want to damage it. Thanks!
@Darkmand8 It's not Pittsburg, but theres a fair chance it will break from doing this. A sturdy breaker bar would work best, but my 1/2" drive Craftsman did the job fine.
@lit2010ny Yes, it was a cheap torque wrench. Why is that big of a concern? I've used it in the past with a huge pipe to remove stupid tight lugs and it was fine. Worst case was it broke, which it did, not a big deal.
With the car in gear, when you turn the bolt, the wheel will turn. One easy way to eliminate the turning of the wheel is to stick a screw drive in the crack between the caliper and disc. So when it turns the screw driver will hold it. It worked for me anyway.
@stjester Yes. You shouldn't be rotating the engine with the timing belt off or snapped on a interference engine. However, the timing belt is behind the crank pulley, so its unlikely you would be able to remove it before you removed the crank pulley. You would need to cut the lower timing cover off, since it wont fit around the crank pulley, then cut the timing belt, since theres no way you would get it off with the pulley on as well. As long as you don't do that, you will be OK.
You say the valves are rotated by the timing belt behind the pulley. Duh. I didn't see the timing belt still installed in the video while you were doing this. Is it still in there or not? I can't tell. Isn't this a little tough on the starter?I've also talked to some mechanics. They say that some cars spin the opposite direction and this with tighten the bolt and could ruin your starter or teeth on the flywheel. Maybe you could at least show the proper way before the jack leg way.
@billybob042665 Theres a shroud covering it, but yes its there. The cams were still in positive contact with the timing belt at the time of this video, and no damage should have been able to occur. Removing the crank pulley has no impact on timing belt on this engine. And yes, some starters do not spin the correct way for this to work properly, however this one does. Yes, its quite hard on the starter. It would only trash the starter if you used a breaker bar and not a ratchet.
@billybob042665 I found one locally, in an attempt to remove the bolt when everything else failed. It was a belt based design, and the belt of course snapped.
Just do what you want. I didn't ask for a reply. Spinning an engine over with the crankshaft and camshaft not connected by a timing belt could damage the valves with all honda engines. Good luck with your repair roulette. You got lucky this time. I am so impressed by your "high tech" jack leg approach to car repair. The holding tool costs 33 dollars with shipping on ebay. It's a good investment in my book.
You may have just bent some valves with that move. Let's see. You spun the engine over two or three revolutions without the camshaft moving. This is not a clearance engine which means that your pistons hit the valves. Come on guys, just spend the couple hundred dollars on the labor for an experienced mechanic with the correct tools so you don't have to spend hundreds to have it repaired later.
@billybob042665 Wow, You really must know a lot about engines! The 'correct' tool would ONLY be useful if the vehicle was equipped with the stock crank pulley that has previsions for it. Oh, and then theres the simple fact that the crank pulley has no effect whatsoever on the engines operation aside from minor harmonic dampening. The engine will run with the crank bolt and pulley removed. The valves are rotated by the belt, driven by a gear behind this flywheel pulley.
@billybob042665 Also, the term 'clearance' engine is bothering me. The more proper term would be 'non-interference' engine. Of course, like the vast majority of modern engines, this is an interference engine. Which is why I was replacing the timing belt prematurely. I preformed a full leak down check and compression test after the timing belt was replaced. All cylinders were nearly ideal. I tested out my new borescope at the time as well, and none of the pistons showed any visible damage.
The first one he used tool he used looked like a torque wrench.......not to be used to break bolts.
myangelsjns 1 month ago
The one breaker bar you damage is that from harbor freight "Pittsburgh brand"? i have the same exact one and i was thinking about using it. can you let me know before i even use it cuz i know it's cheap but i don't want to damage it. Thanks!
Darkmand8 2 months ago
@Darkmand8 It's not Pittsburg, but theres a fair chance it will break from doing this. A sturdy breaker bar would work best, but my 1/2" drive Craftsman did the job fine.
EricsiPhone 2 months ago
You can call it getto or redneck , I call it saving a buttload of time and heartache.
daniel3190wells 2 months ago
i use a "breaker bar" when i remove the pulley with that technique. i also broke my torque wrench the last time..haha
JeorgeUsita 2 months ago
that first wrench you showed looked like a torque wrench...did you seriously try to use that? I think they go for $20 at walmart.....fail
lit2010ny 3 months ago
@lit2010ny Yes, it was a cheap torque wrench. Why is that big of a concern? I've used it in the past with a huge pipe to remove stupid tight lugs and it was fine. Worst case was it broke, which it did, not a big deal.
EricsiPhone 3 months ago
this wouldnt work on the newer auto start cars huh?
djtanveer 4 months ago
Billybobjooe. You troll every DIY video and pretend to be a master tech haha. Put up a DIY video and we'll watch you prove to us why you're a troll.
Placer 4 months ago
With the car in gear, when you turn the bolt, the wheel will turn. One easy way to eliminate the turning of the wheel is to stick a screw drive in the crack between the caliper and disc. So when it turns the screw driver will hold it. It worked for me anyway.
a32938 5 months ago
hi, in order to use this trick the timing belt must be on so dmg to valves dont occur?
stjester 6 months ago
@stjester Yes. You shouldn't be rotating the engine with the timing belt off or snapped on a interference engine. However, the timing belt is behind the crank pulley, so its unlikely you would be able to remove it before you removed the crank pulley. You would need to cut the lower timing cover off, since it wont fit around the crank pulley, then cut the timing belt, since theres no way you would get it off with the pulley on as well. As long as you don't do that, you will be OK.
EricsiPhone 6 months ago
Nice, using a ratchet.
DStylesHanska 8 months ago
Ericsphone,
You say the valves are rotated by the timing belt behind the pulley. Duh. I didn't see the timing belt still installed in the video while you were doing this. Is it still in there or not? I can't tell. Isn't this a little tough on the starter?I've also talked to some mechanics. They say that some cars spin the opposite direction and this with tighten the bolt and could ruin your starter or teeth on the flywheel. Maybe you could at least show the proper way before the jack leg way.
billybob042665 9 months ago
@billybob042665 Theres a shroud covering it, but yes its there. The cams were still in positive contact with the timing belt at the time of this video, and no damage should have been able to occur. Removing the crank pulley has no impact on timing belt on this engine. And yes, some starters do not spin the correct way for this to work properly, however this one does. Yes, its quite hard on the starter. It would only trash the starter if you used a breaker bar and not a ratchet.
EricsiPhone 9 months ago
Ok Ericsphone,
Have you ever heard of a flywheel holding tool? That would work too since you pointed out your installation of the non-stock parts on your engine.
billybob042665 9 months ago
@billybob042665 I found one locally, in an attempt to remove the bolt when everything else failed. It was a belt based design, and the belt of course snapped.
EricsiPhone 9 months ago
Ericsphone,
Just do what you want. I didn't ask for a reply. Spinning an engine over with the crankshaft and camshaft not connected by a timing belt could damage the valves with all honda engines. Good luck with your repair roulette. You got lucky this time. I am so impressed by your "high tech" jack leg approach to car repair. The holding tool costs 33 dollars with shipping on ebay. It's a good investment in my book.
billybob042665 9 months ago
You may have just bent some valves with that move. Let's see. You spun the engine over two or three revolutions without the camshaft moving. This is not a clearance engine which means that your pistons hit the valves. Come on guys, just spend the couple hundred dollars on the labor for an experienced mechanic with the correct tools so you don't have to spend hundreds to have it repaired later.
billybob042665 9 months ago
@billybob042665 Wow, You really must know a lot about engines! The 'correct' tool would ONLY be useful if the vehicle was equipped with the stock crank pulley that has previsions for it. Oh, and then theres the simple fact that the crank pulley has no effect whatsoever on the engines operation aside from minor harmonic dampening. The engine will run with the crank bolt and pulley removed. The valves are rotated by the belt, driven by a gear behind this flywheel pulley.
EricsiPhone 9 months ago
@billybob042665 Also, the term 'clearance' engine is bothering me. The more proper term would be 'non-interference' engine. Of course, like the vast majority of modern engines, this is an interference engine. Which is why I was replacing the timing belt prematurely. I preformed a full leak down check and compression test after the timing belt was replaced. All cylinders were nearly ideal. I tested out my new borescope at the time as well, and none of the pistons showed any visible damage.
EricsiPhone 9 months ago