@aldomovielovers Doh! Please research? Doh! Please learn to expound on what you have to say. I've known of the word "Austronesian" longer than you have been alive.
knowing my heritage gives me an identity for what I am as a person and being proud where my family came from...Filipino cultures and ethnicity are two different things...so, don't get that confuse...Filipino cultures is mixed but not necessarily all the people are mixed...we are part Indigenous, Spanish and Muslim culture...but, necessarily by ethnicity...that's all!
@RayFlash4 True, ethnicity & culture aren't necessarily always the same. But you are mistaken to believe that Filipino culture is mixed. The more accurate word would be it's diverse, not mixed. The culture of my paternal grandfather and my paternal grandmother are very, very similar, but distinct in so many ways. Rightly so since one was from Maripipi and the other was from Argao, Cebu. But not ALL Filipinos have Spanish or Muslim as part of their culture, it depends where they're from.
@hnlmkk I agree...diverse or multicultural...it really depends on what part of the Philippines your parents from which determines what kind of culture your parents are custom to and religion as well is part of the culture...correct me if I'm wrong I think 90% of Filipinos are Christians or Catholic and the other 10% are either Muslim or other types of Non-Christianity religion...oh, well it is what it is take it as it is...that's what you call complexity of Filipino cultures...Cheers!
Filipinos that are mixed are called Mestizos for males or Mestizas for females...this is a Filipino language describing people of mixed ethnicity...this term is used whether you live in the Philippines or outside of the country...also, only used whether you have European or American or other Asian Ethnic groups or Non-Filipino lineage in your genes...Filipinos live in a Globalize world so we are everywhere in the world...Cheers Canada!
@RayFlash4 YEs, filipinos tend to use "mestizo" as anyone mixed with White. But Filipinos are not the only one living in this globalized world. This applies for all mankind in general.
not all Filipinos are mixed but a lot of Filipinos are leaving around the world...Europe, America, Australia, South and Central America, Canada, middle east and other parts of Asia...who cares as long as you are proud having Filipino blood in you that's all it matters...I'm Filipino but I am mistaken sometimes for looking like a Mexican or Latino...so, what if I do my parents grew in the Philippines so I am Filipino and proud of it...Cheers from Canada!
@RayFlash4 Unfortunately that is the problem. Too many young Filipinos from the US are looking at other groups of people in order to feel like they're worth knowing about or seem original, if not just noticed. I too have been mistaken for everything from 1) Brazilian, 2) Moroccon, 3) Indian, 4) Latino, 5) Black, 6) Tongan, 7) Malaysian, and 8) Persian. Numbers 1 - 5 were by people of that group who mistook me for their group. But that's due largely in part to my mix & where I live.
@PhoKinhYue No, you misunderstood. The US DID NOT label Filipinos as Pacific Islanders. But as I've said so many times & both you & I already agreed, that this IS a problem among americans of Filipino descent.
@MsStarFlow56 Correct. It's actually surrounded by the Philippine Sea, Celebes Sea, Sulu Sea, and the South China Sea. Sort of like a triangle if you think about it and to the east of the Philippine Sea is the Pacific Ocean.
@crips11gangs Also, the trade was with New Spain, of which most Filipinos don't understand where that is. The key word was "Acapulco" which exists in one place only.
@crips11gangs The point is, that doesn't mean each & every Filipino have Spanish ancestry. less than 10% do. Even w/ the y-DNA test that they had, from the samples they've taken they've calculated 3% having foreign (European or Spanish in this case) y-DNA. The evidence shows how few of them managed to go to the Phils, coupled w/ the fact that there was only 1 galleon going to Manila during the Manila-Acapulco trade per year for a total of 100 ships which stopped in 1815.
@crips11gangs True, there were some. I know of some of families that do have descendants. It only takes one foreigner to put their genes into a pool of common genes. In the case of my family (not my direct ancestor), I have relatives who are descendants of a Mallorcan captain, but he was only one of the very, very few foreigners into the town my grandmother was from. Not like the entire archipelago had them & based on census recs, there were very few of them.
@crips11gangs ok the first people to move into the philipine were south east asians mostly from china....so it don't matter if ur mixed or not u still have asian blood in u.....asian is jus wat continent ur ancisters came from phillipines, asia even pakistan n dese other country people consider dem asian cos of the continent...
I read this comment from p1p0y1 "philippines was founded by people with chinese ancestry" ? since when did the majority of filipinos look chinese ? Our ancestors probably look like negritos, the only difference with us to the Aetas is that our ancestors were not jungle dwellers but seafarers. This is the main reason why filipinos don't look negrito anymore because our forefathers had contact with different groups of people in different parts of the world, and naturally intermarriage occurs.
@subangdako But that's another misconception, that our ancestors looked like Aetas. Everyone has this idea that when groups of people from different areas & backgrounds converge, that they all mix evenly or that there HAS to be intermarriage. Maybe w/ some, but not all. This explains why certain regions you can find particular features that are more prominent than other areas. Even a country like Spain or Mexico or even the US can reflect this. So does the Philippines.
@hnlmkk It's no misconception, I've live in the Philippines for more than 30 yrs. before i came to the states. majority of filipinos or taong masa, have traces of negroid traits. some still have thick lips, flat nose & dark skin. But I agree with you that it's not all cause by intermarriage for these changes. others happen by itself which anthropologist can not explain. genetic mutation ? maybe. like the photo of an aeta woman with kinky hair, carrying her child who does not have it.
@subangdako No, the misconception that everyone if not nearly everyone has that trait. The same w/ the faux Spanish ancestry too. Let's face it, how many Filipinos can actually trace their lineage more than 6 generations? I don't count since I've done the actual research although only to the mid-1700s, but seriously, how many can go more than 4 generations to an ancestor from the 1800s? And how many that can do that, actually have Aeta ancestry?
@subangdako Even w/ the prejudices that exists in the Phils., that alone should given an insight as to the intermixing that exists among Aetas. We definitely would see evidence of it now. I can understand the genetic mutation, but that goes back to the concept of ALL if not nearly all Filipinos have an Aeta ancestor. Yes they're among the oldest group there, but no not everyone has that ancestry.
@subangdako A perfect example of this would be similar to a family from the Philippines, say 2 brothers and 2 of their 1st cousins all migrating to the US & marry Filipinas from there. They all live to be very old & each have great-grandchildren. Should these great-grandchildren grow up saying that they have Aeta ancestry if just by chance the 2 brothers were from Jolo, Sulu? While those brothers cousins were from Zamboanga City & those cousins have ancestry going to Argao, Cebu.
@subangdako Or a better clarification would be that you can't assume that all Filipinos evolved out of the Aetas. The other common misconception is that one group gives birth to the other vs. natural selection or genetic drift, etc. That was my whole point of the 2 brothers & 2 cousins...which I probably wasn't clear on, probably not a great example. Or think of it this way. We may be distant cousins to one another vs. being a grandchild or great-grandchild of a particular person or group.
@hnlmkk It's true that we can't trace our lineage more than six generations, but we have ways of knowing what our ancestors looked like thousands of years ago through their art works. One example are the ancient statues of hindu gods found in Champa (south vietnam) They have clearly represented them with kinky hair, flat nose, & with slight epicanthic eyes. Like filipinos, chams are also austronesians and modern chams look like modern filipinos.
@subangdako oh, I meant the Aeta looking or Spanish looking, etc. One can't assume that each & every Filipino has these as ancestors simply based on some of these people migrating to an area. That's my whole point. It's like to say that I am a descendant of the Mallorcan captain that went to my grandmother's town, but that isn't the case nor can we assume that everyone from that town descends from that person.
@subangdako also nothing stops a Filipino from actually TRACING their lineage to find out the TRUTH. I've done mine past my paternal grandmother's lineage past 5 generations beyond her. So up to her 3rd great-grandparents & found 24 out of her 32 great-great-great-grandparents. No Aeta nor Spanish ancestry, although one of the 24 had Chinese origin. Whether he was pure or half, I can't tell but this is what Filipinos should do...know their ancestors rather than assume.
@hnlmkk,Yes,the fact that someone looks African doesn't necessarily mean that are from Africa!Some Black Oceanian people-Papuas look more like Africansyet by DNA they are close to Philipinos!Karembeu,frenchSoccerStar is Oceanian!But theZulu theory HOLDS.I knowb'cos that's my history asEuro-S.African!Our history tells us about sailors waiting for the arrival of LANDSQUALLS,supported by theBenguala to make the trip which took days but not months b'cos the 1 drectional wind on the same lattitude!
Learn the Truth Brothers and Sisters. We are all one Race in a huge Continent called The Lost Continent of MU or Lemuria. It sunk 14,500 years ago. All of the remaining islands were once Part of a huge continent. Check My-Mudotcom. Or Google Lost Continent of MU. The whole Austronesian/Polynesian/Mayans/Native American were all one Race called Lamarians. In other words, they were the original Pyramid Builders!
Your right we shouldn't b bothered bout who wants to b wat us pasific islanders to b specific Samoans and micro don't like each other right now in Hawaii so I think we should all b proud to b where we come from
@85darson even for me, I definitely don't call myself Pacific Islander, esp. since that term came out when I was in my teens or so. I wasn't taught that I was a Pac Isle but rather a Filipino, specifically a Bisaya and my Filipino grandmother reminded me that my mother is Kanaka, an indigenous Hawaiian. Even when I use "Hawaiian" I mean it as a nationality, not Native Hawaiian or native Hawaiian which was coined by the US.
@85darson oh, but I do use kanaka 'oiwi, kanaka or just 'oiwi rather than Hawaiian, b/c again to me, that's a nationality which I am, but most people aren't ready to accept that.
They only don't like us cuz we beat them up alot and sorry bout the mean comment my bad i like y'all just don't like people taking our small nations ethnicity
@85darson Oh, i meant the locals in general, not just Filipinos. In fact, I don't know if there are Filipinos who don't like them, wouldn't know, I don't live on O'ahu...lived on that island for 4 yrs. I can't speak for you, but for me, my grandma was proud to be Bisaya & although they didn't use terms like "Asian" back then, she was specific, so better to be proud of what you really are than using a general category created by the Govt for their own purpose.
And so wat if philipines are close related to pasific islanders so is tiwan and Indonesia and other island close to Asia but they don't claime to b pasific islanders or other people ethnicity it's a shame to u all fuckers get a fucken life ur not close related if y'all lookin like Chinese and us looking like European and tiny bit of resembelens to Asians we pasific islanders are nothing like philipinos or any Asian islands
@85darson I know that the Micronesians aren't looked too fondly by locals on O'ahu & Maui too. I guess they're on Maui as well, which I wasn't aware of.
Let's face it not to b mean but I think philipnos are ashamed of Asia even tho they look Chinese redeculaouse y'all need to grow up grow up Asian girl are the finest in the world and I wish I was Asian but I'm not I'm a pasific islander region micronesia peace out and b happy bout who u are...,
@85darson I think, like any other young AMERICAN, kids are trying to find something that makes them unique, or stand out & unfortunately the Filipinos have been using the "pacific islander" nonesense as, what you said, b/c they're ashamed, but what are they ashamed of I'm not sure. I know it has to do w/ lack of knowledge, even those fr the Phils. may not know their own history very well.
WE ARE ASIAN AND ASIAN COUNTRY WE'LL BE! PEARL OF THE ORIENT SEAS, OH AGUINALDO BRING BACK OUR GLORY! GOMBURZA WE PRAY AND MOURN YOUR SLAUGHTER, TRUE BEAUTY OF THE PHILIPPINES SHINES, BUT ALL THINGS COME TO AN END.
@topherpadilla Coming from a 20 something year old tagalog nazi who has no vids to show himself...right, talk about hot air yet you replied with nothing substantial.
it's very funny on how we eat (take) whatever the US govt gives us..for the sake of keeping their dominance and existence..lyk changing negros/black to african-american, disabled person to physically challenged person, mental retard=mentally challenged, etc.
whatever we call it/them...it doesn't change a thing..
about the categorizing thing..a joke!...what is the US up to? creating a new continent?? AARP!
putang ina mo bugok, mga asian kami at wala kang magagwa samin!! tang ina ka! kaw mukha kang hulmahan ng burat! alam mo kamukha mo si smeagol! pero mas bata ka pa hahahaha tanga mo. anong klaseng mga video nato. ang pangit mo loko!! you look like a dick head bitch. fuck you talking about us filipinos just because you wanna be asian doesnt mean you have to hate on us?? you really look like a dick head you know that?
@ThUgZLyFz ukininam bilatsinimo you wannabe tagalog nazi. Who ever said I wanted to be asian? Try understanding REAL English first then you'd understand what I was saying. Stupid thug wannabe. This is why you Tagalogs should be massacred, such idiots.
@ThUgZLyFz We don't like you Tagalog nazis spreading your disease all over. That's probably why you were picked on aside from your looks & your fucked up mentality, so now you whine & troll here on YT b/c in real life you're pretty much on the bottom of the socio AND economic ladder. Unfortunately that can't change.
Filipinos are Asian. Why it is in question I have no clue.
No one questions a thai, khmer/cambodian, malaysian, indonesian with a dark complexion regarding their asian-ness even though they share similar physical attributes as a filipino.
There is really no conflict outside the filipines. Filipinos look and are Mongoloid. Many wish they were white( specially Spanish but they are not). Is just that Filipinos believe that white is better.
@coltzin12 They should be classified as Hispanic b/c they have same identity issues?hahaha J/k, I know what you mean. Unfortunately, anytime you have a group of people who were colonized, they end up being fucked basically in their heads.
@batutil Maybe not but Americans are us natives(brown people), what you call "american are actually anglo/saxons, so you can call white US citizens and white British citizens ANGLOS. When you see brown natives of the American continent, you need to call them AMERICAN.
Philiipinos are Asian, Spanish, Pacific Islander YET they have their OWN LANGUAGEs---my daughter has a strong pinay appearance but I'm a black american --mid-brown.---My husband is Spanish (from Spain; his grandfather is light for spanish, english irish and pinay--even though we look like a mixed couple--he looks like a latin man--sometimes, until he smiles--pinoy men have a certain look in their teeth---my husbands father looked (oops) greek and some crackers(whites) wanted to beat him up
@49jubilee Wait, is your husband Spanish or Filipino? Not ALL Filipinos have Spanish, and PACIFIC ISLANDER is a category created post 1970s, it's nothing more than a term the US Govt uses to group people for its own purpose, it's not a means to identify oneself as an ethnic group. My grandmother never knew that term & always considered herself a Bisaya. And I know a couple Spaniards who are darker complected than me, their ancestors have been in that country for centuries.
lol phillipinos r asian jus because u don't hav asian last names don't make u not asian...the only reason u guys hav different last names dan the rest of the asians because spain took over phillipine n gave u guys their last names....so jus face the fact some even think they r spanish jus cos of their last names....lol funny...
@djpx49 both are nothing more than categories. Austronesian isn't a race, it was a linguistic term used to group people who had languages stemming from a common ancestor.
@djpx49 But "Austroneisan" is not a group. It's only a LINGUISTIC term that linguists used to group common languages. DNA evidence may shed light on this, but that doesn't mean these groups of people is used to identify who we are. Asian...yes, that's how they define us. But we ARE Filipinos of which ALL these young Filipinos turn a blind eye too. Instead, they want to desperately cling to the more recent term of Pacific Islander.
@hnlmkk which is ironic since the U.S. government does not even label Filipinos as Pacific Islanders.
Filipino-Americans are the main culprits of labeling all Filipinos as Pacific Islanders.
The U.S. Census is now updated as well...Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipinos, Asian Indians, and Vietnamese now all have their own separate categories. Taiwanese are next in line trying to fight for their own separate category.
@PhoKinhYue I've been telling people that all along, how Filipino Americans are the culprits of labeling Filipinos as PI, but with good reason. It is only in the US did they coin that term in the 1980s but began specifying in the 1990s. The Philippines was not part of the whole Oceanic group because of the fact that the Philippine Sea, Celebes Sea, Sulu Sea and South China Sea. For those unfamiliar w/ geography, the Philippine Sea lies to the east of the archipelago.
@djpx49 although the US Govt. came up w/ that Pacific Islander term, I myself don't identify with it even if I fall into that category. I fall into their ridiculous & false classification of NATIVE HAWAIIAN, but I don't call myself that ever! In 20yrs or so, they'll change it again as they've done a few times before in the past, then what...a new generation of young people arguing what they wish they were classified as by the US Govt? it still won't change them.
I lived in Angeles City in the Philippines. I saw the original people of the land. I was face to face with one man. He was short, black with kinky hair. He looked just like me but he was short. I tripped. What beautiful people. Behind Clark AFB their villages were there. I was surprised! I should have spent time with them.
To prove me worng why dont u go out there and collect some dna for yourself, Remeber action speaks louder than words. Go on instead of pulling sources that I personally believe is unrelibale. But i supppose as gullible as you would believe on anything...
@p1p0y1 What little data I have collected is inconclusive. Collecting samples from 4 people surely doesn't constitute "research" even thought NON of the 4 samples link to Chinese but as in my example of my grandmother's 3rd great-grandparents, you should have an idea of how that works. Even w/ the Philippines statistics they don't count a huge percentage of Filipinos w/ Chinese ancestry.
@p1p0y1 I certainly won't fault you for not finding anything from the Am. Jrnl. of Genetics as "reliable" but I certainly would not make a "guess" based on your own assumption w/o having some type of research behind your belt.
@p1p0y1 How can the Chinese have founded the Phils. when there were people there centuries before the Chinese began trading w/ the inhabitants there? If that were the case, the evidence would be in the DNA as well as linguistic & archeological evidence as well, all of which do not exist. the colony in northern Phils. doesn't support that the Chinese founded the entire archipelago. Again, even DNA doesn't point to this, nor Japanese or Korean. I don't understand where u got that idea.
@p1p0y1 How can they found the Phils. as a nation when the Phils. was part of Spain since 1565 & prior to that they had no central government. BTW the Natl Taiwan Univ. in Taipei contributed to the DNA data that could shed light on what I was saying abt how the Chinese didn't found the Phils & no DNA evidence. See Am. J. Hum. Genet. 68:432-443, 2001. They tested some S. Chinese collected by Tsang-Ming Ko.
@p1p0y1 It isn't worth debating b/c academia has proven w/ DNA, w/ linguistic & archeology how the Chinese never founded the Phils. Testing the Pres. doesn't mean that ALL Filipinos have Chinese ancestry. That's so ridiculous & you know it. ANd by what PROOF do you have that says MAJORITY of Filipinos have Chinese & "other" (whatever that is) ancestry? Do you really think our people never existed until the Chinese came? Where did our languages come from?
@hnlmkk Im saying that the Philippines was founded by people of chinese ancestry Im not saying they discovered the Philippines. If u read the hisotry of the Philippines u'll find that filipino revolutionaries like Jose Rizal, Emilio Aguinaldo, past and present President of the PHIls has Chinese Ancestry. Even people in the media or businesses has chinese ancestry like lucio Tan, Henry Sy, Edward Cojuanco etc....
@p1p0y1 So your supporting evidence of the Phils. founded by the CHINESE are based on people involved in the revolution who have Chinese "ANCESTRY". That's like saying that everyone in America have British ancestry based on the people involved in the revolutionary.
Evidently yes philippines was founded by people with chinese ancestry otherwise why would I waste myself emphasizing my point of view if it wasn't. On otherhand wasn't america part of the british colony. The forefathers of america was of british ancestry. So if i have to make a conjecture that majority of white americans then I would have to say indeed most of them have british ancestry just like white australians in Australia...
@p1p0y1 I can see why you have that perception b/c your concept of "founding" seems to be based nationally and weighed by certain criteria, not equated to "discovery". You should have clarified that was your definition because that isn't how anthropologically it is defined. But again your conjecture is still unfounded b/c now you're saying that most white Americans have british ancestry which is incorrect. People from the original 13 colonies who have white ancestry can trace to Brits.
@p1p0y1 But you're not taking into consideration the bulk of the Dutch people who also settled the eastern board as well as the Germans. Look at the names, a reflection of these people's hometowns. Pennyslvania's name reflects its Dutch heritage & they settled way before 1776 in that area, NY & you're forgetting the Dutch-Anglor war. At the turn of the 20th century, eastern & western Europeans flooded the Americas.
@p1p0y1 The Nordic people migrated to the central Areas. Once upon a time the central US belonged to France so settlement from not just France but also the French who settled the northern part which is now known as CANADA (Quebec) moved as far south as where Louisiana is. So yes, your "conjecture" really isn't one.
@p1p0y1 they are not british ancestry my friend they were really british the first original english is from the british. they are actually really british.
@p1p0y1 your only proof is a village that has evidence of Chinese settlement & a Pres. w/ Chinese ancestry on how many branches? Case in point. My grandmother had 1 3rd great-grandfather who has Chinese ancestry, probably pure. That's 1 out of 36 total 3rd great-grandparents. You can do a DNA test but not EVERYONE can test directly to a Chinese or non-Chinese ancestor.
@p1p0y1 What evidence are you basing this on? You say that the Phils. was colonized by the CHINESE? Where's the evidence? Again, how can the Chinese colonize the entire archipelago when places like Maripipi & other islands in the Visayas have no Filipinos w/ Chinese ancestry?
@mamoahina u misunderstood me yes was a colony of chinese in the Philippines espicially in a place called vigan it was shipping port before the spaniards renamed it from bigan to Vigan. It's not rocket science to figure out that until now Filipinos cannot deny they have chinese ancestry. Evidently me, you and the bloke who made this video has chinese ancetry. Filipinos are just in denials but are happy to boast their spanish ancestry even if it just a tiny drop of it....
The Chinese has been coming in our shores for hundeds of years before the spaniards even set foot in our homeland. Our beloved homeland is govern by chinese mongrels since it emerge in to a young and naive nation. Our motherland the Philippines was founded by people who posses oriental bloods from evolutionaries, politicians and the people in media...
@p1p0y1 Yes, there was trade w/ China before the Spaniards, particularly w/ Cebu City. But don't mistake TRADE for genetic make up. Too many young Filipinos are misguided & make that assumption that just b/c there was peopling by a particular group & trading that automatically means each & every Filipino have X amt. of ancestry. My grandmother's ancestors knew themselves to be just Filipino but I found a Chinese ancestor dating back to the mid-1700s. One out of MANY ancestors, so not all.
@hnlmkk Im not!!! the Chinese colonised the Philippines, the European aka the Spanish were outnumbere by the chinks and therefore they were too mnay chinese filipino mestizo as opposed to spanish filipino mestizo.
@p1p0y1 I don't know what you mean by the Phils founded by people who possess oriental bloods fr evolutionaries, politicians, etc. Did you mean POLITICIANS have Chinese ancestry? if that's the case, that could be any Filipino but not ALL, particuarly on my grandfather's island, apparently NO ONE has Chinese ancestry nor SPANISH ancestry there. The Phils is an enormous & varied archipelago.
Majority of filipinos are genetically asians thanks to the chinese, koreans and japs who came to our shores who married, raped and humped our native women. Why do u think that some filipinos has asian last name like Tan, Sy, Chan, Lee, Liu etc. This isn't even a debatable subject "hence the current president of the philippines his mum maiden is cojuanco". But the native Filipinos are gentically and lingusitically related to the poeple of Polynesia...
@p1p0y1 There are some w/ Chinese background but it's not the MAJORITY. Remember, the Chinese came after the culture was full in force. And not very many Japanese. In fact the research done by Stanford on y-DNA doesn't show Chinese at a high percentage at all.
Majority of filipinos are genetically asians thanks to the chinese, koreans and japs who came to our shores who married, raped and humped our native women. Why do u think that some filipinos has asian last name like Tan, Sy, Chan, Lee, Liu etc. This isn't even a debatable subject "hence the current president of the philippines his mum maiden is cojuanco". But the native Filipinos are gentically and lingusitically related to the poeple of Polynesia...
Majority of filipinos are genetically asians thanks to the chinese, koreans and japs who came to our shores who married, raped and humped our native women. Why do u think that some filipinos has asian last name like Tan, Sy, Chan, Lee, Liu etc. This isn't even a debatable subject "hence the current president of the philippines his mum maiden is cojuanco". But the native Filipinos are gentically and lingusitically related to the poeple of Polynesia...
@TheSamjulian See, that's the problem w/ "race" b/c it doesn't define what one should look like. To SOME Filipinos I look Filipino. To SOME, I don't. To some non-Filipinos I do, to others I don't. To some I look mixed Filipino, to some I don't. I'm from the small island of Molokai, in the center of the Hawaiian Kingdom. My father's parents were from the Visayas (central Phils) while my mother's father was a Madeiran (Portuguese) & my mom's maternal grandfather was from China.
@TheSamjulian Sorry, my mother's father was Hawaiian with Portuguese ancestry going back but her father's maternal grandfather's mother being part Portuguese. However, my mother's father was Madeiran.
@TheSamjulian Sorry, my mother's father was Hawaiian with Portuguese ancestry going back but her father's maternal grandfather's mother being part Portuguese. However, my mother's father was Madeiran.
The aborigines of The philippines are the Aeta's and the likes<small dark kinky haired peaceful people. then came the Malay's, Indo's, Chinese, Spaniards, Americans.Then they went all over the world, name a country and a Filipino is married to a citizen of that country. But 90 percent or more of Filipinos are of Asian origin.
I'm full Filipino born in the philippinese but raised in Hawaii ... Some filipino's in Hawaii considers themselves as Asians and I'm also Asian so philipino people r Asians :)
@babytonidae it's nothing more than a category really. Today, the Philippines is considered part of the Asian continent just as it always has been & w/ today's US Govt's classification, Filipinos fall under that category.
@silentmovers Definitely true. My grandmother always identified herself as a Bisaya first, then a Filipino. NEver an Asian, but she wasn't stupid, she knew where the Phils. are located, but these classification are AMERICAN ones.
Hawaii is within the Pacific. So the people from Hawaii are also Pacific Islanders???
There are a lot of countries situated within the Pacific. Asia is the world's largest continent followed by Europe, Africa, North America,... etc. Asia is just a continent, a region of countries.
@silentmovers It's a ridiculous categorization by the US Govt. but Kanaka Oiwi have their own designation - Native Hawaiian, and then there's "Other Pacific Islander."
@i7270 the video was a response to someone questioning if Filipinos are really Asians & it's clarified in the video that they are but again, it focused on what the other video was talking about & how the young Filipinos in the US tend to see otherwise.
Filipinos are Asian though these are European made up classifications but we can digest that by DNA evidence that Filipinos are related to other Eastern Asian peoples such as Chinese Koreans and of course Thai people etc etc than to Pacific Islanders.
Actually, in the Philippines nobody is claiming that Filipinos are Pacific Islander. lol! In fact, you would rarely hear the term Pacific Islander in this country especially in schools. We are in Southeast Asia that's why we are Asians. Simple geography!
@Mangkukutod Definitely true. It isn't the Filipinos in the Phils, but the Filipinos in the US. After all, only the US Govt is responsible for constantly coming up w/ these divisive terms & most recently (since the 90s) PACIFIC ISLANDER.
@Mangkukutod I have noticed that those who insist they're PI are young people. My cousins in the Phils. never call themselves PI, just Filipino but they know they're in Asia, specifically SEA.
can i just say also.. i dont say im pacific islander... i say im hawaiian.. or if someone asks if im polynesian ill say yes to that also (though people usually dont ask that except other polynesians in the continental U.S.).. but i dont call myself pacific islander.
@kuualoha96734 I'm exactly the same way. I wasn't taught to identify w/ "Polynesian". every so many yrs. they'll come up w/ new terms to describe our people. It was my Filipino grandma, whom identify w/ being "Bisaya" that pointed out that my mother is KANAKA. That's the term she used. She did sometimes say "Hawaiian" but always stressed "kanaka", the original term used. Using these broad categories created by the US govt like "Polynesian" or "asian", etc, just masks who we really are.
@hnlmkk just curious about that word kanaka...is it a neutrally charged term in ur culture? cuz i used to live in australia and learned that kanaka was a derogatory word there to describe melanesians there...i think it was originally because one of the first melanesian people to come to australia were a people called kanaka but the word later became very negatively charged. So a white person using that word now in australia would pretty much be like a white american using the n-word
@mjohanss1975 I heard of "Kanaks" referring to a group of Melanesians. But when i was growing up, things were changing at the term "Kanaka" started to have a non-negative connotation. My Filipino grandmother however used it w/ me in a negative way, but today people tend to use Kanaka Maoli (native person) but that has a more political connotation. I prefer either Kanaka or Oiwi. Oiwi just means native while Maoli means "real".
Thats interesting. In the phillipines they consider themselves asian. But phillipinos elsewhere dont. I know lots of phillipinos in hawai'i want to be hawaiian because they have family who have lived here long, like ive heard a phillipino list himself on the census as hawaiian and do kau inoa (lol) even though he's 100% phillipino saying he considers himself hawaiian. it seems lots of phillipinos are ashamed of where they come from. thats sad.
@kuualoha96734 correct, in the Phils. they do, but elsewhere, they like to be that "other" b/c they associate "Philippines" and "Filipino" w/ the old country & they want to be unique yet stand out while in the US. That's why they use ridiculous labels like "Filipino-American", which is stupid. Who is this Filipino you know that KAU INOA'd himself? lol That's too funny. Hope they realize that "Hawaiian" has always been & still is a NATIONAL term.
@kuualoha96734 re blueprophet9 & also tothsins' afrocentric views, they're just looking to grasp onto cultures that are obviously non-White/Euro/American to where they created this idea that, has CLOSE TIES to Africa. Unfortunately they pick on us b/c of our features & like Tothsins, create all kinds of validations to prove their point, but it's unfounded. They know that ALL mankind, all NON-AFRICAN people came from the same person that left Africa 90,000 yrs ago. That means WHITE people too.
@hnlmkk Also, have you NOTICE that ONLY these uneducated FIL-AMS thinks that they are Pacific Islanders? I guess it's because they are easily swayed by the stereotypical view Asians in America that's why they are refusing to be called Asians.
Race aside, as far as being closer to the 'idea' of Asian culture or of Pacific Islanders, is there really even a comparison for folks from the cultures of the Philippine Archipelago? I mean really. Filipinos seem to adjust quite well in and around those Islanders and their way naturally, no? ...So much that there is confusion of identity at least.
@blueprophet9 actually, in that sense yes I do agree w/ you, that it does have similarities w/ other PI-ers, but also w/ others in the SEA area. But that's what I was saying that some things people can see, some won't, as far as similarities go. B/c we can pick & choose what we find Filipino culture to have similarities in PI or SEA (or Asian) culture. But where do we draw that line? That's why I have said to some people that Filipinos are Filipinos, & those general topics r USA made only.
Could you please elaborate on these similarities to 'Asian' culture? A possible compare and contrast with examples ie philosophy or art. So, in your own opinion would 'you' say Filipinos by culture are closer to Asians or Pacific Islanders?
Since there is no authentic Filipino culture per se, what is the picking and choosing based upon? Completely modern social adaptations, traditions from certain ethnic groups, some shared methodology among a few kingdoms of centuries old, universal necessities, etc...?
@blueprophet9 ...but it goes back to my grandma saying that she's BISAYA. That's what she was, she was taught, & at that time the US didn't identify her as ASIAN. lol But that's what we are. Visayans r Filipinos, & that's what we are. Now the US classification for its own usage, the Phils. are in Asia, making Filipinos..asians. That's what we are according to the US, but I don't identify myself as Asian, nor Pacific Islander even though I'm kanaka (Hawaiian).
It would be more proper to handle the situation of the archipelago as a federation of common interests, those interests being: NOT BEING INVADED in every sense of the word. In that way, you can be a 'member', a Filipino by POLITICAL unity. Culturally, if you were to say that it is Filipino...then you pervert your own(Tagalog, Illocano, Visayan, etc..) 'culture' as some amalgamation in total. If that is so in your beliefs, then you are what you eat, which is a dillusional idea of authenticity.
@blueprophet9 I understand. I think the nationality - Filipino could be the proper term while still acknowledging your ethnic (in my case, Waray & Sugbuanon, or the more collective term of "bisaya") make-up & keeping those 2 separate may, or may not solve that problem. Besides, my grandma always taught us that she was Bisaya, so that's what we are, and also FILIPINO, but I think Nationalism became more prominent after they (grandparents) left the Phils. in 1922.
Basically for CENSUS...for TAXES...for CONTROL...for OBFUSCATION...to DENY THE HISTORY OF THE SOVEREIGN KINGDOMS THAT EXISTED BEFORE SELLING EACH OTHER OUT for the 'winnings'(ruling families). 'Filipino' is a watered down culture of Kampampangan/Tagolog language, American superficialities, Spanish unfluenced Mexican culture, rehashed East Asian cuisine and nonsensical nationalism. 'Filipino' is causing the slow loss of what remains in culture from the different groups. Moros don't play that.
'Filipinos' tend to completely side-step the fact that THEY are the only ones in Asia of Asian stock to even have a debate about whether they are Asian or not. It's because they are not CULTURALLY Asian. Even being amongst other SEAs, they are not at all similar. The main problem is this colonial mentality syndrome causing the 'thinking' of anything foreign(culturally) as being superior...because FILIPINO is a false term for false unity/uniqueness/oneness in the PI, neglecting sovereignty.
@blueprophet9 I think that's the problem though, b/c one uses these general or broad categories like "Asian", & begin to quantify exactly what that is suppose to mean. So while some can see the similarities w/ other Asians, others will not for the same reasons. To say that Filipinos are Filipinos, you can't go wrong as far as narrowing it down a bit. Historically the entire archipelago had its collective history together for more than 3 centuries, therefore it's ok to say "Filpino".
I'll compare Asian to African, to try and make the point of the cultural debate, because it is cultural...the location issue is just a simple cop-out for most; people around the globe will not doubt that anyone of African ancestry is Black, but Black people in America are not African, period...they are simply of the same racial stock but in no way African in culture. They may have minor particulars, but you won't conflate them outside of western imperial injustice and racial protest.
@blueprophet9 I've argued the same argument, saying that Blacks aren't really "African" when they use it generally. African descent, sure. But their culture isn't African as you say, & i continue to argue this time time again, just look at my other video & you'll see what I mean.
I say, Hnlmkk, you are the best representative for Filipinos on this touchy subject that I've encountered from any thread. You give short and concise answers that don't run around the topic so much. Seriously, you are the best 'answer' Filipinos have on the internet. They should really tune into your thinking. Off topic, but what do you think about the Moros wanting their own soveriegnty? Yay or nay? I personally think they 'earned' not to be a Filipino, such as some highlanders.
@blueprophet9 I've said to other Filipinos before abt the separtists Moros, what good would it do, or harm, if they chose to go separate? How could that be detrimental to them (Filipinos in general). I get no real answers. lol But thanks for seeing my side. I think the younger generations is succumming to America's need of classification, nothing more, but adheres to America's govtal classifying or categorizing to identify themselves, which I feel is wrong.
@bboyasist The short answer is no. In reality, Filipinos r Filipinos. Their origin is Asian, their culture is Asian, there definitely is Spanish influence but that doesn't make Filipinos Spanish. Mexicans r Mexicans, not Spanish, but Spanish influenced.
Um...I guess it worked. lol It was either that, or the ugliness of the apt, so...yes, I'm not gonna lie. But, I also know those books like the back of my hand. So, I don't look smart, but I also pretend to be naive, which pisses people off. lol
why do young dumb filipinos consider themselves pacific islander and not asian..philippines is asian and not even considered pacific islander.. Pacific islander is Polynesian, Micronesian, or Melanesian islands of Oceania.
just cuz ur country is in the pacific doesnt mean ur a pacific islander..in that case Japan would be considered pacific islander
Whoa, hold on here. I am NOT one of those Filipinos who consider themselves PI & hope you aren't addressing it to me. If so, then you obviously didn't pay attention to the video. And let's not forget, it is YOUR Government that coined the ridiculous term of "Pacific Islander" in the 80s to a point where in 2000 they've included it w/ another ridiculous term - Native Hawaiian to become Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander when they originally had it grouped w/ Asian. (part1)
(part2) The US Govt defined a PI as anyone of the Oceanic area, that would include Polynesia, Micronesia & Melanesia. These terms & identity were created in order to gain a more accurate count in order to fund appropriate monies. My paternal grandmother although she recognized HER country, always referred to herself as a "Bisaya" although technically she was a Sugbuanon. She reminded me constantly of my mother being KANAKA! I personally prefer 'Oiwi or even Kanaka 'Oiwi over Kanaka Maoli.
(part3) So, by YOUR government's ridiculous categorization, I STILL am considered a "Pacific Islander" but then again, on those silly forms, we have a specific term for us Oiwi & I was one of those that signed a petition to the US Govt req. to give us a separate category fr the Native Americans w/ whom they grouped us. This was back in 1991/1992. I PERSONALLY do not like the redundant, AMERICAN enforced term of Native Hawaiian, nor Polynesian nor Pacific Islander, all of which I never use.
In the Phiippines they know it as Asian. It is the young Americans of Filipino descent who want to be exotic or different, so they latch on to the "Pacific Islander" classification for any reason they can come up with.
ARE YOU GUYS KNOW THE WORD AUSTRONESIAN ??? DOOH PLEASE RESEARCH
aldomovielovers 1 year ago
@aldomovielovers Doh! Please research? Doh! Please learn to expound on what you have to say. I've known of the word "Austronesian" longer than you have been alive.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
knowing my heritage gives me an identity for what I am as a person and being proud where my family came from...Filipino cultures and ethnicity are two different things...so, don't get that confuse...Filipino cultures is mixed but not necessarily all the people are mixed...we are part Indigenous, Spanish and Muslim culture...but, necessarily by ethnicity...that's all!
RayFlash4 1 year ago
@RayFlash4 True, ethnicity & culture aren't necessarily always the same. But you are mistaken to believe that Filipino culture is mixed. The more accurate word would be it's diverse, not mixed. The culture of my paternal grandfather and my paternal grandmother are very, very similar, but distinct in so many ways. Rightly so since one was from Maripipi and the other was from Argao, Cebu. But not ALL Filipinos have Spanish or Muslim as part of their culture, it depends where they're from.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk I agree...diverse or multicultural...it really depends on what part of the Philippines your parents from which determines what kind of culture your parents are custom to and religion as well is part of the culture...correct me if I'm wrong I think 90% of Filipinos are Christians or Catholic and the other 10% are either Muslim or other types of Non-Christianity religion...oh, well it is what it is take it as it is...that's what you call complexity of Filipino cultures...Cheers!
RayFlash4 1 year ago
@RayFlash4 I mean to write "to say that Filipino culture is mixed" isn't accurate.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Filipinos that are mixed are called Mestizos for males or Mestizas for females...this is a Filipino language describing people of mixed ethnicity...this term is used whether you live in the Philippines or outside of the country...also, only used whether you have European or American or other Asian Ethnic groups or Non-Filipino lineage in your genes...Filipinos live in a Globalize world so we are everywhere in the world...Cheers Canada!
RayFlash4 1 year ago
@RayFlash4 YEs, filipinos tend to use "mestizo" as anyone mixed with White. But Filipinos are not the only one living in this globalized world. This applies for all mankind in general.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
not all Filipinos are mixed but a lot of Filipinos are leaving around the world...Europe, America, Australia, South and Central America, Canada, middle east and other parts of Asia...who cares as long as you are proud having Filipino blood in you that's all it matters...I'm Filipino but I am mistaken sometimes for looking like a Mexican or Latino...so, what if I do my parents grew in the Philippines so I am Filipino and proud of it...Cheers from Canada!
RayFlash4 1 year ago
@RayFlash4 Unfortunately that is the problem. Too many young Filipinos from the US are looking at other groups of people in order to feel like they're worth knowing about or seem original, if not just noticed. I too have been mistaken for everything from 1) Brazilian, 2) Moroccon, 3) Indian, 4) Latino, 5) Black, 6) Tongan, 7) Malaysian, and 8) Persian. Numbers 1 - 5 were by people of that group who mistook me for their group. But that's due largely in part to my mix & where I live.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@PhoKinhYue No, you misunderstood. The US DID NOT label Filipinos as Pacific Islanders. But as I've said so many times & both you & I already agreed, that this IS a problem among americans of Filipino descent.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Isn't Philippines also surronded by Philippine Sea too?
MsStarFlow56 1 year ago
@MsStarFlow56 Correct. It's actually surrounded by the Philippine Sea, Celebes Sea, Sulu Sea, and the South China Sea. Sort of like a triangle if you think about it and to the east of the Philippine Sea is the Pacific Ocean.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk Cool.
MsStarFlow56 1 year ago
@crips11gangs Also, the trade was with New Spain, of which most Filipinos don't understand where that is. The key word was "Acapulco" which exists in one place only.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@crips11gangs The point is, that doesn't mean each & every Filipino have Spanish ancestry. less than 10% do. Even w/ the y-DNA test that they had, from the samples they've taken they've calculated 3% having foreign (European or Spanish in this case) y-DNA. The evidence shows how few of them managed to go to the Phils, coupled w/ the fact that there was only 1 galleon going to Manila during the Manila-Acapulco trade per year for a total of 100 ships which stopped in 1815.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@crips11gangs True, there were some. I know of some of families that do have descendants. It only takes one foreigner to put their genes into a pool of common genes. In the case of my family (not my direct ancestor), I have relatives who are descendants of a Mallorcan captain, but he was only one of the very, very few foreigners into the town my grandmother was from. Not like the entire archipelago had them & based on census recs, there were very few of them.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@crips11gangs ok the first people to move into the philipine were south east asians mostly from china....so it don't matter if ur mixed or not u still have asian blood in u.....asian is jus wat continent ur ancisters came from phillipines, asia even pakistan n dese other country people consider dem asian cos of the continent...
Vangterlauj3 1 year ago
@Vangterlauj3 True.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
I read this comment from p1p0y1 "philippines was founded by people with chinese ancestry" ? since when did the majority of filipinos look chinese ? Our ancestors probably look like negritos, the only difference with us to the Aetas is that our ancestors were not jungle dwellers but seafarers. This is the main reason why filipinos don't look negrito anymore because our forefathers had contact with different groups of people in different parts of the world, and naturally intermarriage occurs.
subangdako 1 year ago
@subangdako But that's another misconception, that our ancestors looked like Aetas. Everyone has this idea that when groups of people from different areas & backgrounds converge, that they all mix evenly or that there HAS to be intermarriage. Maybe w/ some, but not all. This explains why certain regions you can find particular features that are more prominent than other areas. Even a country like Spain or Mexico or even the US can reflect this. So does the Philippines.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk It's no misconception, I've live in the Philippines for more than 30 yrs. before i came to the states. majority of filipinos or taong masa, have traces of negroid traits. some still have thick lips, flat nose & dark skin. But I agree with you that it's not all cause by intermarriage for these changes. others happen by itself which anthropologist can not explain. genetic mutation ? maybe. like the photo of an aeta woman with kinky hair, carrying her child who does not have it.
subangdako 1 year ago
@subangdako No, the misconception that everyone if not nearly everyone has that trait. The same w/ the faux Spanish ancestry too. Let's face it, how many Filipinos can actually trace their lineage more than 6 generations? I don't count since I've done the actual research although only to the mid-1700s, but seriously, how many can go more than 4 generations to an ancestor from the 1800s? And how many that can do that, actually have Aeta ancestry?
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@subangdako Even w/ the prejudices that exists in the Phils., that alone should given an insight as to the intermixing that exists among Aetas. We definitely would see evidence of it now. I can understand the genetic mutation, but that goes back to the concept of ALL if not nearly all Filipinos have an Aeta ancestor. Yes they're among the oldest group there, but no not everyone has that ancestry.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@subangdako A perfect example of this would be similar to a family from the Philippines, say 2 brothers and 2 of their 1st cousins all migrating to the US & marry Filipinas from there. They all live to be very old & each have great-grandchildren. Should these great-grandchildren grow up saying that they have Aeta ancestry if just by chance the 2 brothers were from Jolo, Sulu? While those brothers cousins were from Zamboanga City & those cousins have ancestry going to Argao, Cebu.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@subangdako Or a better clarification would be that you can't assume that all Filipinos evolved out of the Aetas. The other common misconception is that one group gives birth to the other vs. natural selection or genetic drift, etc. That was my whole point of the 2 brothers & 2 cousins...which I probably wasn't clear on, probably not a great example. Or think of it this way. We may be distant cousins to one another vs. being a grandchild or great-grandchild of a particular person or group.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk It's true that we can't trace our lineage more than six generations, but we have ways of knowing what our ancestors looked like thousands of years ago through their art works. One example are the ancient statues of hindu gods found in Champa (south vietnam) They have clearly represented them with kinky hair, flat nose, & with slight epicanthic eyes. Like filipinos, chams are also austronesians and modern chams look like modern filipinos.
subangdako 1 year ago
@subangdako oh, I meant the Aeta looking or Spanish looking, etc. One can't assume that each & every Filipino has these as ancestors simply based on some of these people migrating to an area. That's my whole point. It's like to say that I am a descendant of the Mallorcan captain that went to my grandmother's town, but that isn't the case nor can we assume that everyone from that town descends from that person.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@subangdako also nothing stops a Filipino from actually TRACING their lineage to find out the TRUTH. I've done mine past my paternal grandmother's lineage past 5 generations beyond her. So up to her 3rd great-grandparents & found 24 out of her 32 great-great-great-grandparents. No Aeta nor Spanish ancestry, although one of the 24 had Chinese origin. Whether he was pure or half, I can't tell but this is what Filipinos should do...know their ancestors rather than assume.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk,Yes,the fact that someone looks African doesn't necessarily mean that are from Africa!Some Black Oceanian people-Papuas look more like Africansyet by DNA they are close to Philipinos!Karembeu,frenchSoccerStar is Oceanian!But theZulu theory HOLDS.I knowb'cos that's my history asEuro-S.African!Our history tells us about sailors waiting for the arrival of LANDSQUALLS,supported by theBenguala to make the trip which took days but not months b'cos the 1 drectional wind on the same lattitude!
Beesahili 1 year ago
Learn the Truth Brothers and Sisters. We are all one Race in a huge Continent called The Lost Continent of MU or Lemuria. It sunk 14,500 years ago. All of the remaining islands were once Part of a huge continent. Check My-Mudotcom. Or Google Lost Continent of MU. The whole Austronesian/Polynesian/Mayans/Native American were all one Race called Lamarians. In other words, they were the original Pyramid Builders!
cyflip 1 year ago
Your right we shouldn't b bothered bout who wants to b wat us pasific islanders to b specific Samoans and micro don't like each other right now in Hawaii so I think we should all b proud to b where we come from
85darson 1 year ago
@85darson even for me, I definitely don't call myself Pacific Islander, esp. since that term came out when I was in my teens or so. I wasn't taught that I was a Pac Isle but rather a Filipino, specifically a Bisaya and my Filipino grandmother reminded me that my mother is Kanaka, an indigenous Hawaiian. Even when I use "Hawaiian" I mean it as a nationality, not Native Hawaiian or native Hawaiian which was coined by the US.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@85darson oh, but I do use kanaka 'oiwi, kanaka or just 'oiwi rather than Hawaiian, b/c again to me, that's a nationality which I am, but most people aren't ready to accept that.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
They only don't like us cuz we beat them up alot and sorry bout the mean comment my bad i like y'all just don't like people taking our small nations ethnicity
85darson 1 year ago
@85darson Oh, i meant the locals in general, not just Filipinos. In fact, I don't know if there are Filipinos who don't like them, wouldn't know, I don't live on O'ahu...lived on that island for 4 yrs. I can't speak for you, but for me, my grandma was proud to be Bisaya & although they didn't use terms like "Asian" back then, she was specific, so better to be proud of what you really are than using a general category created by the Govt for their own purpose.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
And so wat if philipines are close related to pasific islanders so is tiwan and Indonesia and other island close to Asia but they don't claime to b pasific islanders or other people ethnicity it's a shame to u all fuckers get a fucken life ur not close related if y'all lookin like Chinese and us looking like European and tiny bit of resembelens to Asians we pasific islanders are nothing like philipinos or any Asian islands
85darson 1 year ago
@85darson I know that the Micronesians aren't looked too fondly by locals on O'ahu & Maui too. I guess they're on Maui as well, which I wasn't aware of.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Let's face it not to b mean but I think philipnos are ashamed of Asia even tho they look Chinese redeculaouse y'all need to grow up grow up Asian girl are the finest in the world and I wish I was Asian but I'm not I'm a pasific islander region micronesia peace out and b happy bout who u are...,
85darson 1 year ago
@85darson I think, like any other young AMERICAN, kids are trying to find something that makes them unique, or stand out & unfortunately the Filipinos have been using the "pacific islander" nonesense as, what you said, b/c they're ashamed, but what are they ashamed of I'm not sure. I know it has to do w/ lack of knowledge, even those fr the Phils. may not know their own history very well.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
WE ARE ASIAN AND ASIAN COUNTRY WE'LL BE! PEARL OF THE ORIENT SEAS, OH AGUINALDO BRING BACK OUR GLORY! GOMBURZA WE PRAY AND MOURN YOUR SLAUGHTER, TRUE BEAUTY OF THE PHILIPPINES SHINES, BUT ALL THINGS COME TO AN END.
joey143anna 1 year ago
We are not Asians. We are Filipinos! The rest that sorround our countries are Asians.
r2ro43 1 year ago
SO IGNORANT!!! JUST A BAG OF HOT AIR!!!! HAHAHA!
topherpadilla 1 year ago
@topherpadilla Coming from a 20 something year old tagalog nazi who has no vids to show himself...right, talk about hot air yet you replied with nothing substantial.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
it's very funny on how we eat (take) whatever the US govt gives us..for the sake of keeping their dominance and existence..lyk changing negros/black to african-american, disabled person to physically challenged person, mental retard=mentally challenged, etc.
whatever we call it/them...it doesn't change a thing..
about the categorizing thing..a joke!...what is the US up to? creating a new continent?? AARP!
batutil 1 year ago
@batutil THATS WASUP
eartdaflo 1 year ago
putang ina mo bugok, mga asian kami at wala kang magagwa samin!! tang ina ka! kaw mukha kang hulmahan ng burat! alam mo kamukha mo si smeagol! pero mas bata ka pa hahahaha tanga mo. anong klaseng mga video nato. ang pangit mo loko!! you look like a dick head bitch. fuck you talking about us filipinos just because you wanna be asian doesnt mean you have to hate on us?? you really look like a dick head you know that?
ThUgZLyFz 1 year ago
@ThUgZLyFz ukininam bilatsinimo you wannabe tagalog nazi. Who ever said I wanted to be asian? Try understanding REAL English first then you'd understand what I was saying. Stupid thug wannabe. This is why you Tagalogs should be massacred, such idiots.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@ThUgZLyFz We don't like you Tagalog nazis spreading your disease all over. That's probably why you were picked on aside from your looks & your fucked up mentality, so now you whine & troll here on YT b/c in real life you're pretty much on the bottom of the socio AND economic ladder. Unfortunately that can't change.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@ThUgZLyFz you do clean your ears with cottonbuds, do you?
july071992 1 year ago
The questions is absolute BS!!
Filipinos are Asian. Why it is in question I have no clue.
No one questions a thai, khmer/cambodian, malaysian, indonesian with a dark complexion regarding their asian-ness even though they share similar physical attributes as a filipino.
702nitro 1 year ago
Yes Filipinos are asians. The main ethnicities overthere are Malay, Chinese, Negrito and some other minor ethnicities.
MrTommyRico 1 year ago
There is really no conflict outside the filipines. Filipinos look and are Mongoloid. Many wish they were white( specially Spanish but they are not). Is just that Filipinos believe that white is better.
chukurulugai 1 year ago
Filipinos are like mexicans with the same identity issues. They should be classified as Hispanic.
coltzin12 1 year ago
@coltzin12 They should be classified as Hispanic b/c they have same identity issues?hahaha J/k, I know what you mean. Unfortunately, anytime you have a group of people who were colonized, they end up being fucked basically in their heads.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@coltzin12
you people are too ignorant to tell who we Filipinos are!
If you do not have any reliable basis of what you say, just keep your opinions to yourself.
topherpadilla 1 year ago
@coltzin12 so we can also call americans as brits?? i dun think so
batutil 1 year ago
@batutil Maybe not but Americans are us natives(brown people), what you call "american are actually anglo/saxons, so you can call white US citizens and white British citizens ANGLOS. When you see brown natives of the American continent, you need to call them AMERICAN.
coltzin12 1 year ago
@coltzin12 SO IGNORANT!!! ISA KANG KATANGAHANG TINUBUAN NG TAO!!!
topherpadilla 1 year ago
@topherpadilla goes both ways, doesn't it?
coltzin12 1 year ago
Philiipinos are Asian, Spanish, Pacific Islander YET they have their OWN LANGUAGEs---my daughter has a strong pinay appearance but I'm a black american --mid-brown.---My husband is Spanish (from Spain; his grandfather is light for spanish, english irish and pinay--even though we look like a mixed couple--he looks like a latin man--sometimes, until he smiles--pinoy men have a certain look in their teeth---my husbands father looked (oops) greek and some crackers(whites) wanted to beat him up
49jubilee 1 year ago
@49jubilee Wait, is your husband Spanish or Filipino? Not ALL Filipinos have Spanish, and PACIFIC ISLANDER is a category created post 1970s, it's nothing more than a term the US Govt uses to group people for its own purpose, it's not a means to identify oneself as an ethnic group. My grandmother never knew that term & always considered herself a Bisaya. And I know a couple Spaniards who are darker complected than me, their ancestors have been in that country for centuries.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
lol phillipinos r asian jus because u don't hav asian last names don't make u not asian...the only reason u guys hav different last names dan the rest of the asians because spain took over phillipine n gave u guys their last names....so jus face the fact some even think they r spanish jus cos of their last names....lol funny...
Vangterlauj3 1 year ago
LOOK UP..."Austronesian people" WE ARE NOT ASIANS!!!
djpx49 1 year ago
@djpx49 both are nothing more than categories. Austronesian isn't a race, it was a linguistic term used to group people who had languages stemming from a common ancestor.
mamoahina 1 year ago
@mamoahina thats right gentically and culturaly we are more closely related to pacific islanders
djpx49 1 year ago
@djpx49 But "Austroneisan" is not a group. It's only a LINGUISTIC term that linguists used to group common languages. DNA evidence may shed light on this, but that doesn't mean these groups of people is used to identify who we are. Asian...yes, that's how they define us. But we ARE Filipinos of which ALL these young Filipinos turn a blind eye too. Instead, they want to desperately cling to the more recent term of Pacific Islander.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk which is ironic since the U.S. government does not even label Filipinos as Pacific Islanders.
Filipino-Americans are the main culprits of labeling all Filipinos as Pacific Islanders.
The U.S. Census is now updated as well...Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Filipinos, Asian Indians, and Vietnamese now all have their own separate categories. Taiwanese are next in line trying to fight for their own separate category.
Identity is a huge issue in the USA.
PhoKinhYue 1 year ago
@PhoKinhYue I've been telling people that all along, how Filipino Americans are the culprits of labeling Filipinos as PI, but with good reason. It is only in the US did they coin that term in the 1980s but began specifying in the 1990s. The Philippines was not part of the whole Oceanic group because of the fact that the Philippine Sea, Celebes Sea, Sulu Sea and South China Sea. For those unfamiliar w/ geography, the Philippine Sea lies to the east of the archipelago.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@djpx49 although the US Govt. came up w/ that Pacific Islander term, I myself don't identify with it even if I fall into that category. I fall into their ridiculous & false classification of NATIVE HAWAIIAN, but I don't call myself that ever! In 20yrs or so, they'll change it again as they've done a few times before in the past, then what...a new generation of young people arguing what they wish they were classified as by the US Govt? it still won't change them.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@djpx49 LOL "Austronesian people" are also in Asia. Weak argument.
PhoKinhYue 1 year ago
your hair line sucks. lol!
chikkaume 1 year ago
@chikkaume You mean it would suck for you b/c you're NOT Polynesian, right? I'd probably feel the same thing too if I were a Jap.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
I lived in Angeles City in the Philippines. I saw the original people of the land. I was face to face with one man. He was short, black with kinky hair. He looked just like me but he was short. I tripped. What beautiful people. Behind Clark AFB their villages were there. I was surprised! I should have spent time with them.
GS350JPN 1 year ago
To prove me worng why dont u go out there and collect some dna for yourself, Remeber action speaks louder than words. Go on instead of pulling sources that I personally believe is unrelibale. But i supppose as gullible as you would believe on anything...
p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 What little data I have collected is inconclusive. Collecting samples from 4 people surely doesn't constitute "research" even thought NON of the 4 samples link to Chinese but as in my example of my grandmother's 3rd great-grandparents, you should have an idea of how that works. Even w/ the Philippines statistics they don't count a huge percentage of Filipinos w/ Chinese ancestry.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 I certainly won't fault you for not finding anything from the Am. Jrnl. of Genetics as "reliable" but I certainly would not make a "guess" based on your own assumption w/o having some type of research behind your belt.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
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p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 How can the Chinese have founded the Phils. when there were people there centuries before the Chinese began trading w/ the inhabitants there? If that were the case, the evidence would be in the DNA as well as linguistic & archeological evidence as well, all of which do not exist. the colony in northern Phils. doesn't support that the Chinese founded the entire archipelago. Again, even DNA doesn't point to this, nor Japanese or Korean. I don't understand where u got that idea.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
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p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 How can they found the Phils. as a nation when the Phils. was part of Spain since 1565 & prior to that they had no central government. BTW the Natl Taiwan Univ. in Taipei contributed to the DNA data that could shed light on what I was saying abt how the Chinese didn't found the Phils & no DNA evidence. See Am. J. Hum. Genet. 68:432-443, 2001. They tested some S. Chinese collected by Tsang-Ming Ko.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
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p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 It isn't worth debating b/c academia has proven w/ DNA, w/ linguistic & archeology how the Chinese never founded the Phils. Testing the Pres. doesn't mean that ALL Filipinos have Chinese ancestry. That's so ridiculous & you know it. ANd by what PROOF do you have that says MAJORITY of Filipinos have Chinese & "other" (whatever that is) ancestry? Do you really think our people never existed until the Chinese came? Where did our languages come from?
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk Im saying that the Philippines was founded by people of chinese ancestry Im not saying they discovered the Philippines. If u read the hisotry of the Philippines u'll find that filipino revolutionaries like Jose Rizal, Emilio Aguinaldo, past and present President of the PHIls has Chinese Ancestry. Even people in the media or businesses has chinese ancestry like lucio Tan, Henry Sy, Edward Cojuanco etc....
p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 So your supporting evidence of the Phils. founded by the CHINESE are based on people involved in the revolution who have Chinese "ANCESTRY". That's like saying that everyone in America have British ancestry based on the people involved in the revolutionary.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Evidently yes philippines was founded by people with chinese ancestry otherwise why would I waste myself emphasizing my point of view if it wasn't. On otherhand wasn't america part of the british colony. The forefathers of america was of british ancestry. So if i have to make a conjecture that majority of white americans then I would have to say indeed most of them have british ancestry just like white australians in Australia...
p1p0y1 1 year ago 4
@p1p0y1 I can see why you have that perception b/c your concept of "founding" seems to be based nationally and weighed by certain criteria, not equated to "discovery". You should have clarified that was your definition because that isn't how anthropologically it is defined. But again your conjecture is still unfounded b/c now you're saying that most white Americans have british ancestry which is incorrect. People from the original 13 colonies who have white ancestry can trace to Brits.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 But you're not taking into consideration the bulk of the Dutch people who also settled the eastern board as well as the Germans. Look at the names, a reflection of these people's hometowns. Pennyslvania's name reflects its Dutch heritage & they settled way before 1776 in that area, NY & you're forgetting the Dutch-Anglor war. At the turn of the 20th century, eastern & western Europeans flooded the Americas.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 The Nordic people migrated to the central Areas. Once upon a time the central US belonged to France so settlement from not just France but also the French who settled the northern part which is now known as CANADA (Quebec) moved as far south as where Louisiana is. So yes, your "conjecture" really isn't one.
hnlmkk 1 year ago 2
@p1p0y1 they are not british ancestry my friend they were really british the first original english is from the british. they are actually really british.
joey143anna 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 your only proof is a village that has evidence of Chinese settlement & a Pres. w/ Chinese ancestry on how many branches? Case in point. My grandmother had 1 3rd great-grandfather who has Chinese ancestry, probably pure. That's 1 out of 36 total 3rd great-grandparents. You can do a DNA test but not EVERYONE can test directly to a Chinese or non-Chinese ancestor.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 What evidence are you basing this on? You say that the Phils. was colonized by the CHINESE? Where's the evidence? Again, how can the Chinese colonize the entire archipelago when places like Maripipi & other islands in the Visayas have no Filipinos w/ Chinese ancestry?
mamoahina 1 year ago
@mamoahina u misunderstood me yes was a colony of chinese in the Philippines espicially in a place called vigan it was shipping port before the spaniards renamed it from bigan to Vigan. It's not rocket science to figure out that until now Filipinos cannot deny they have chinese ancestry. Evidently me, you and the bloke who made this video has chinese ancetry. Filipinos are just in denials but are happy to boast their spanish ancestry even if it just a tiny drop of it....
p1p0y1 1 year ago
The Chinese has been coming in our shores for hundeds of years before the spaniards even set foot in our homeland. Our beloved homeland is govern by chinese mongrels since it emerge in to a young and naive nation. Our motherland the Philippines was founded by people who posses oriental bloods from evolutionaries, politicians and the people in media...
p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 Yes, there was trade w/ China before the Spaniards, particularly w/ Cebu City. But don't mistake TRADE for genetic make up. Too many young Filipinos are misguided & make that assumption that just b/c there was peopling by a particular group & trading that automatically means each & every Filipino have X amt. of ancestry. My grandmother's ancestors knew themselves to be just Filipino but I found a Chinese ancestor dating back to the mid-1700s. One out of MANY ancestors, so not all.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk Im not!!! the Chinese colonised the Philippines, the European aka the Spanish were outnumbere by the chinks and therefore they were too mnay chinese filipino mestizo as opposed to spanish filipino mestizo.
p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 I don't know what you mean by the Phils founded by people who possess oriental bloods fr evolutionaries, politicians, etc. Did you mean POLITICIANS have Chinese ancestry? if that's the case, that could be any Filipino but not ALL, particuarly on my grandfather's island, apparently NO ONE has Chinese ancestry nor SPANISH ancestry there. The Phils is an enormous & varied archipelago.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Majority of filipinos are genetically asians thanks to the chinese, koreans and japs who came to our shores who married, raped and humped our native women. Why do u think that some filipinos has asian last name like Tan, Sy, Chan, Lee, Liu etc. This isn't even a debatable subject "hence the current president of the philippines his mum maiden is cojuanco". But the native Filipinos are gentically and lingusitically related to the poeple of Polynesia...
p1p0y1 1 year ago
@p1p0y1 There are some w/ Chinese background but it's not the MAJORITY. Remember, the Chinese came after the culture was full in force. And not very many Japanese. In fact the research done by Stanford on y-DNA doesn't show Chinese at a high percentage at all.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Majority of filipinos are genetically asians thanks to the chinese, koreans and japs who came to our shores who married, raped and humped our native women. Why do u think that some filipinos has asian last name like Tan, Sy, Chan, Lee, Liu etc. This isn't even a debatable subject "hence the current president of the philippines his mum maiden is cojuanco". But the native Filipinos are gentically and lingusitically related to the poeple of Polynesia...
p1p0y1 1 year ago
Majority of filipinos are genetically asians thanks to the chinese, koreans and japs who came to our shores who married, raped and humped our native women. Why do u think that some filipinos has asian last name like Tan, Sy, Chan, Lee, Liu etc. This isn't even a debatable subject "hence the current president of the philippines his mum maiden is cojuanco". But the native Filipinos are gentically and lingusitically related to the poeple of Polynesia...
p1p0y1 1 year ago
Puta! ang daming problema yan pa inuuna niyo!?
Xt3rior17 1 year ago
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TheSamjulian 1 year ago
@TheSamjulian See, that's the problem w/ "race" b/c it doesn't define what one should look like. To SOME Filipinos I look Filipino. To SOME, I don't. To some non-Filipinos I do, to others I don't. To some I look mixed Filipino, to some I don't. I'm from the small island of Molokai, in the center of the Hawaiian Kingdom. My father's parents were from the Visayas (central Phils) while my mother's father was a Madeiran (Portuguese) & my mom's maternal grandfather was from China.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
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TheSamjulian 1 year ago
@TheSamjulian But being Filipino isn't bad. I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. We are what we are.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk -i see, i am half germa half shepherd
TheSamjulian 1 year ago
@TheSamjulian Sorry, my mother's father was Hawaiian with Portuguese ancestry going back but her father's maternal grandfather's mother being part Portuguese. However, my mother's father was Madeiran.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@TheSamjulian Sorry, my mother's father was Hawaiian with Portuguese ancestry going back but her father's maternal grandfather's mother being part Portuguese. However, my mother's father was Madeiran.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
The aborigines of The philippines are the Aeta's and the likes<small dark kinky haired peaceful people. then came the Malay's, Indo's, Chinese, Spaniards, Americans.Then they went all over the world, name a country and a Filipino is married to a citizen of that country. But 90 percent or more of Filipinos are of Asian origin.
TheSamjulian 1 year ago
I'm full Filipino born in the philippinese but raised in Hawaii ... Some filipino's in Hawaii considers themselves as Asians and I'm also Asian so philipino people r Asians :)
babytonidae 1 year ago
@babytonidae it's nothing more than a category really. Today, the Philippines is considered part of the Asian continent just as it always has been & w/ today's US Govt's classification, Filipinos fall under that category.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
im filipino and i consider myself asian...
thatoneguy1228 1 year ago
filipinos are sub-humans, brown monkeys
nomoreflipzoids 1 year ago
Being Asian is not a basis to be a Filipino.
silentmovers 1 year ago
@silentmovers Definitely true. My grandmother always identified herself as a Bisaya first, then a Filipino. NEver an Asian, but she wasn't stupid, she knew where the Phils. are located, but these classification are AMERICAN ones.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Hawaii is within the Pacific. So the people from Hawaii are also Pacific Islanders???
There are a lot of countries situated within the Pacific. Asia is the world's largest continent followed by Europe, Africa, North America,... etc. Asia is just a continent, a region of countries.
silentmovers 1 year ago
@silentmovers It's a ridiculous categorization by the US Govt. but Kanaka Oiwi have their own designation - Native Hawaiian, and then there's "Other Pacific Islander."
hnlmkk 1 year ago
WE ARE FUCKING ASIANS. END OF FUCKING STORY
anime6556 1 year ago
IF you say Filipinos are not ASIANS.
Then Malaysia and Indonesia are not ASIANS also.
Because Most of the people in Philippines
share the same blood with neighbouring Malaysia and Indonesia
Malaysians and Indonesians.. came to the Philippines in 10th century right?
then the Chinese.. so fuck.. Filipinos Are ASIANS.
i7270 1 year ago
@i7270 the video was a response to someone questioning if Filipinos are really Asians & it's clarified in the video that they are but again, it focused on what the other video was talking about & how the young Filipinos in the US tend to see otherwise.
mamoahina 1 year ago
Filipinos are Asian though these are European made up classifications but we can digest that by DNA evidence that Filipinos are related to other Eastern Asian peoples such as Chinese Koreans and of course Thai people etc etc than to Pacific Islanders.
ThothWisdom 1 year ago
Actually, in the Philippines nobody is claiming that Filipinos are Pacific Islander. lol! In fact, you would rarely hear the term Pacific Islander in this country especially in schools. We are in Southeast Asia that's why we are Asians. Simple geography!
Mangkukutod 1 year ago
@Mangkukutod Definitely true. It isn't the Filipinos in the Phils, but the Filipinos in the US. After all, only the US Govt is responsible for constantly coming up w/ these divisive terms & most recently (since the 90s) PACIFIC ISLANDER.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@Mangkukutod I have noticed that those who insist they're PI are young people. My cousins in the Phils. never call themselves PI, just Filipino but they know they're in Asia, specifically SEA.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Filipinos are ASIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrDominicbowen 1 year ago
can i just say also.. i dont say im pacific islander... i say im hawaiian.. or if someone asks if im polynesian ill say yes to that also (though people usually dont ask that except other polynesians in the continental U.S.).. but i dont call myself pacific islander.
kuualoha96734 1 year ago
@kuualoha96734 I'm exactly the same way. I wasn't taught to identify w/ "Polynesian". every so many yrs. they'll come up w/ new terms to describe our people. It was my Filipino grandma, whom identify w/ being "Bisaya" that pointed out that my mother is KANAKA. That's the term she used. She did sometimes say "Hawaiian" but always stressed "kanaka", the original term used. Using these broad categories created by the US govt like "Polynesian" or "asian", etc, just masks who we really are.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk just curious about that word kanaka...is it a neutrally charged term in ur culture? cuz i used to live in australia and learned that kanaka was a derogatory word there to describe melanesians there...i think it was originally because one of the first melanesian people to come to australia were a people called kanaka but the word later became very negatively charged. So a white person using that word now in australia would pretty much be like a white american using the n-word
mjohanss1975 1 year ago
@mjohanss1975 I heard of "Kanaks" referring to a group of Melanesians. But when i was growing up, things were changing at the term "Kanaka" started to have a non-negative connotation. My Filipino grandmother however used it w/ me in a negative way, but today people tend to use Kanaka Maoli (native person) but that has a more political connotation. I prefer either Kanaka or Oiwi. Oiwi just means native while Maoli means "real".
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Thats interesting. In the phillipines they consider themselves asian. But phillipinos elsewhere dont. I know lots of phillipinos in hawai'i want to be hawaiian because they have family who have lived here long, like ive heard a phillipino list himself on the census as hawaiian and do kau inoa (lol) even though he's 100% phillipino saying he considers himself hawaiian. it seems lots of phillipinos are ashamed of where they come from. thats sad.
kuualoha96734 1 year ago
@kuualoha96734 correct, in the Phils. they do, but elsewhere, they like to be that "other" b/c they associate "Philippines" and "Filipino" w/ the old country & they want to be unique yet stand out while in the US. That's why they use ridiculous labels like "Filipino-American", which is stupid. Who is this Filipino you know that KAU INOA'd himself? lol That's too funny. Hope they realize that "Hawaiian" has always been & still is a NATIONAL term.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@kuualoha96734 re blueprophet9 & also tothsins' afrocentric views, they're just looking to grasp onto cultures that are obviously non-White/Euro/American to where they created this idea that, has CLOSE TIES to Africa. Unfortunately they pick on us b/c of our features & like Tothsins, create all kinds of validations to prove their point, but it's unfounded. They know that ALL mankind, all NON-AFRICAN people came from the same person that left Africa 90,000 yrs ago. That means WHITE people too.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk Also, have you NOTICE that ONLY these uneducated FIL-AMS thinks that they are Pacific Islanders? I guess it's because they are easily swayed by the stereotypical view Asians in America that's why they are refusing to be called Asians.
Mangkukutod 1 year ago
who farted?
hellstorm702 1 year ago
Race aside, as far as being closer to the 'idea' of Asian culture or of Pacific Islanders, is there really even a comparison for folks from the cultures of the Philippine Archipelago? I mean really. Filipinos seem to adjust quite well in and around those Islanders and their way naturally, no? ...So much that there is confusion of identity at least.
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@blueprophet9 actually, in that sense yes I do agree w/ you, that it does have similarities w/ other PI-ers, but also w/ others in the SEA area. But that's what I was saying that some things people can see, some won't, as far as similarities go. B/c we can pick & choose what we find Filipino culture to have similarities in PI or SEA (or Asian) culture. But where do we draw that line? That's why I have said to some people that Filipinos are Filipinos, & those general topics r USA made only.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk
Could you please elaborate on these similarities to 'Asian' culture? A possible compare and contrast with examples ie philosophy or art. So, in your own opinion would 'you' say Filipinos by culture are closer to Asians or Pacific Islanders?
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@hnlmkk
Since there is no authentic Filipino culture per se, what is the picking and choosing based upon? Completely modern social adaptations, traditions from certain ethnic groups, some shared methodology among a few kingdoms of centuries old, universal necessities, etc...?
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@blueprophet9 ...but it goes back to my grandma saying that she's BISAYA. That's what she was, she was taught, & at that time the US didn't identify her as ASIAN. lol But that's what we are. Visayans r Filipinos, & that's what we are. Now the US classification for its own usage, the Phils. are in Asia, making Filipinos..asians. That's what we are according to the US, but I don't identify myself as Asian, nor Pacific Islander even though I'm kanaka (Hawaiian).
hnlmkk 1 year ago
It would be more proper to handle the situation of the archipelago as a federation of common interests, those interests being: NOT BEING INVADED in every sense of the word. In that way, you can be a 'member', a Filipino by POLITICAL unity. Culturally, if you were to say that it is Filipino...then you pervert your own(Tagalog, Illocano, Visayan, etc..) 'culture' as some amalgamation in total. If that is so in your beliefs, then you are what you eat, which is a dillusional idea of authenticity.
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@blueprophet9 I understand. I think the nationality - Filipino could be the proper term while still acknowledging your ethnic (in my case, Waray & Sugbuanon, or the more collective term of "bisaya") make-up & keeping those 2 separate may, or may not solve that problem. Besides, my grandma always taught us that she was Bisaya, so that's what we are, and also FILIPINO, but I think Nationalism became more prominent after they (grandparents) left the Phils. in 1922.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Basically for CENSUS...for TAXES...for CONTROL...for OBFUSCATION...to DENY THE HISTORY OF THE SOVEREIGN KINGDOMS THAT EXISTED BEFORE SELLING EACH OTHER OUT for the 'winnings'(ruling families). 'Filipino' is a watered down culture of Kampampangan/Tagolog language, American superficialities, Spanish unfluenced Mexican culture, rehashed East Asian cuisine and nonsensical nationalism. 'Filipino' is causing the slow loss of what remains in culture from the different groups. Moros don't play that.
blueprophet9 1 year ago
'Filipinos' tend to completely side-step the fact that THEY are the only ones in Asia of Asian stock to even have a debate about whether they are Asian or not. It's because they are not CULTURALLY Asian. Even being amongst other SEAs, they are not at all similar. The main problem is this colonial mentality syndrome causing the 'thinking' of anything foreign(culturally) as being superior...because FILIPINO is a false term for false unity/uniqueness/oneness in the PI, neglecting sovereignty.
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@blueprophet9 I think that's the problem though, b/c one uses these general or broad categories like "Asian", & begin to quantify exactly what that is suppose to mean. So while some can see the similarities w/ other Asians, others will not for the same reasons. To say that Filipinos are Filipinos, you can't go wrong as far as narrowing it down a bit. Historically the entire archipelago had its collective history together for more than 3 centuries, therefore it's ok to say "Filpino".
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk
I'll compare Asian to African, to try and make the point of the cultural debate, because it is cultural...the location issue is just a simple cop-out for most; people around the globe will not doubt that anyone of African ancestry is Black, but Black people in America are not African, period...they are simply of the same racial stock but in no way African in culture. They may have minor particulars, but you won't conflate them outside of western imperial injustice and racial protest.
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@blueprophet9 I've argued the same argument, saying that Blacks aren't really "African" when they use it generally. African descent, sure. But their culture isn't African as you say, & i continue to argue this time time again, just look at my other video & you'll see what I mean.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@hnlmkk
Can Blacks have a pick & choose option in a way the Filipinos do, as you say?
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@hnlmkk
I say, Hnlmkk, you are the best representative for Filipinos on this touchy subject that I've encountered from any thread. You give short and concise answers that don't run around the topic so much. Seriously, you are the best 'answer' Filipinos have on the internet. They should really tune into your thinking. Off topic, but what do you think about the Moros wanting their own soveriegnty? Yay or nay? I personally think they 'earned' not to be a Filipino, such as some highlanders.
blueprophet9 1 year ago
@blueprophet9 I've said to other Filipinos before abt the separtists Moros, what good would it do, or harm, if they chose to go separate? How could that be detrimental to them (Filipinos in general). I get no real answers. lol But thanks for seeing my side. I think the younger generations is succumming to America's need of classification, nothing more, but adheres to America's govtal classifying or categorizing to identify themselves, which I feel is wrong.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
@jellyace1990 Correct, that would be more specific. Even more specific, would be just "Filipino" vs. these broad, generic categories.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
Aren't we more Spanish than Asian? Both my parents are full Filipino blood but I just say I'm American.
bboyasist 1 year ago
@bboyasist The short answer is no. In reality, Filipinos r Filipinos. Their origin is Asian, their culture is Asian, there definitely is Spanish influence but that doesn't make Filipinos Spanish. Mexicans r Mexicans, not Spanish, but Spanish influenced.
hnlmkk 1 year ago
this guy trying to look smart with all the book behind him. hahahaha JK
zooyork2323 2 years ago
Um...I guess it worked. lol It was either that, or the ugliness of the apt, so...yes, I'm not gonna lie. But, I also know those books like the back of my hand. So, I don't look smart, but I also pretend to be naive, which pisses people off. lol
hnlmkk 2 years ago
why do young dumb filipinos consider themselves pacific islander and not asian..philippines is asian and not even considered pacific islander.. Pacific islander is Polynesian, Micronesian, or Melanesian islands of Oceania.
just cuz ur country is in the pacific doesnt mean ur a pacific islander..in that case Japan would be considered pacific islander
GinuF0iNe 2 years ago
Whoa, hold on here. I am NOT one of those Filipinos who consider themselves PI & hope you aren't addressing it to me. If so, then you obviously didn't pay attention to the video. And let's not forget, it is YOUR Government that coined the ridiculous term of "Pacific Islander" in the 80s to a point where in 2000 they've included it w/ another ridiculous term - Native Hawaiian to become Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander when they originally had it grouped w/ Asian. (part1)
hnlmkk 2 years ago
who said i was referring to you?
GinuF0iNe 2 years ago
My bad, I read it as "why do you dumb filipinos..."
hnlmkk 2 years ago
(part2) The US Govt defined a PI as anyone of the Oceanic area, that would include Polynesia, Micronesia & Melanesia. These terms & identity were created in order to gain a more accurate count in order to fund appropriate monies. My paternal grandmother although she recognized HER country, always referred to herself as a "Bisaya" although technically she was a Sugbuanon. She reminded me constantly of my mother being KANAKA! I personally prefer 'Oiwi or even Kanaka 'Oiwi over Kanaka Maoli.
hnlmkk 2 years ago
(part3) So, by YOUR government's ridiculous categorization, I STILL am considered a "Pacific Islander" but then again, on those silly forms, we have a specific term for us Oiwi & I was one of those that signed a petition to the US Govt req. to give us a separate category fr the Native Americans w/ whom they grouped us. This was back in 1991/1992. I PERSONALLY do not like the redundant, AMERICAN enforced term of Native Hawaiian, nor Polynesian nor Pacific Islander, all of which I never use.
hnlmkk 2 years ago
For me, FILIPINOS ARE ASIANS! The majority says that too. ASIAN PRIDE AND PINOY PRIDE!
lmgeneral 2 years ago
In the Phiippines they know it as Asian. It is the young Americans of Filipino descent who want to be exotic or different, so they latch on to the "Pacific Islander" classification for any reason they can come up with.
hnlmkk 2 years ago
yeah you're right. We're Filipinos and Asians.