I respect the old musclecars and the people who drive them. without them, we wouldn't have the marvels of machinery that exist today, in the form of the ZR1 and such. But some of them don't live in reality, it seems.
My boss had a SS 396 Camaro, back in the day. He was giving me some guff over my modded turbo Omni, that ran 12.72 @ 113 mph 1/4 mile. Kept telling me that his old SS 396 Camaro ran 10s and would woop all over my Omni. I asked him what changes he made to the car, he says "nothing, it was totally stock." I asked him where he ran it, he said he never went to a track, he only ran on the street. I'm not stupid, I already know those ran about 13.6 @ 106 in the original test, quite quick for the day.
@MrISatai - Suspension and drivetrain are way better but the biggest difference is that today's horsepower rating are more "real world". Old ratings were "gross horspower" engines naked on a dyno stand i.e. no parasitic drag, free flowing exhaust, no air cleaner housing etc. Today they are tested fully dressed. So, that 412 hp Mustang 5.0 really has 412 crank hp, maybe more. You would likely get 350 at the crank from a razor sharp 1970 426/ 425 hp Hemi as it was installed in the engine bay.
@MrISatai MrISatai -My '70 Stage 1 ran 14.23/ 100.28 mph off the showroom. My point is, that as with most legends, muscle car performance and hp has become wildly embellished. These cars are typical of what you would run with a nicely tuned car back then. These were some of the fastest and the mph these cars ran indicate crank hp of 345 - 375 hp. Not the 500+ hp from the factory you hear thrown around nowadays about musclecar engines. No 12 sec muscle cars. Quickest were barely in the 13's.
The thing that kills me is this. If you go to the extent of restoring a car to the degree of these ones in the video, then why not get them properly tuned at a dyno shop, and even go down to the track to do a test & tune session to supplement the dyno findings. Most guys I know of understand they aren't the best at tuning, but still insist on doing it themselves. If you are willing to learn the in's and outs of tuning it, then great. But if not, why not bring it to an expert with the equipment.
I'm a huge Dodge Challenger buff, and I can say this about the Hemi's. If the dual carbs aren't set up right, you may be lucky to get into the 14's with it. But when you've got them right, look out because you are looking at high 12's to low 13's if you have enough traction. The challenger in this video wasn't set up quite right.
@Polybun - He is wrong about torsion bar suspension, but the Hemi 'Cuda or Hemi anything was nose heavy and poorly balanced. They were terrible handling cars because of it along with the 428CJ powered cars.
I respect the old musclecars and the people who drive them. without them, we wouldn't have the marvels of machinery that exist today, in the form of the ZR1 and such. But some of them don't live in reality, it seems.
vermin1970 3 months ago
My boss had a SS 396 Camaro, back in the day. He was giving me some guff over my modded turbo Omni, that ran 12.72 @ 113 mph 1/4 mile. Kept telling me that his old SS 396 Camaro ran 10s and would woop all over my Omni. I asked him what changes he made to the car, he says "nothing, it was totally stock." I asked him where he ran it, he said he never went to a track, he only ran on the street. I'm not stupid, I already know those ran about 13.6 @ 106 in the original test, quite quick for the day.
vermin1970 3 months ago
@vermin1970 was that the 2.5l turbo? Had one in a 1990 Caravan. SCARRY!!!
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@vermin1970 was that the 2.5l turbo? Had one in a 1990 Caravan. SCARRY!!!
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@vermin1970 was that the 2.5l turbo? Had one in a 1990 Caravan. SCARRY!!!
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@vermin1970 was that the 2.5l turbo? Had one in a 1990 Caravan. SCARRY!!!
mailman2564 1 month ago
@MrISatai - Suspension and drivetrain are way better but the biggest difference is that today's horsepower rating are more "real world". Old ratings were "gross horspower" engines naked on a dyno stand i.e. no parasitic drag, free flowing exhaust, no air cleaner housing etc. Today they are tested fully dressed. So, that 412 hp Mustang 5.0 really has 412 crank hp, maybe more. You would likely get 350 at the crank from a razor sharp 1970 426/ 425 hp Hemi as it was installed in the engine bay.
DONDIVA1969 1 year ago
@MrISatai MrISatai -My '70 Stage 1 ran 14.23/ 100.28 mph off the showroom. My point is, that as with most legends, muscle car performance and hp has become wildly embellished. These cars are typical of what you would run with a nicely tuned car back then. These were some of the fastest and the mph these cars ran indicate crank hp of 345 - 375 hp. Not the 500+ hp from the factory you hear thrown around nowadays about musclecar engines. No 12 sec muscle cars. Quickest were barely in the 13's.
DONDIVA1969 1 year ago
The performance of these cars is typical of or slightly better better than what you would have seen off the showroom floor.
DONDIVA1969 1 year ago
The thing that kills me is this. If you go to the extent of restoring a car to the degree of these ones in the video, then why not get them properly tuned at a dyno shop, and even go down to the track to do a test & tune session to supplement the dyno findings. Most guys I know of understand they aren't the best at tuning, but still insist on doing it themselves. If you are willing to learn the in's and outs of tuning it, then great. But if not, why not bring it to an expert with the equipment.
mine1username 1 year ago
I'm a huge Dodge Challenger buff, and I can say this about the Hemi's. If the dual carbs aren't set up right, you may be lucky to get into the 14's with it. But when you've got them right, look out because you are looking at high 12's to low 13's if you have enough traction. The challenger in this video wasn't set up quite right.
mine1username 1 year ago
what's wrong with tortion bars? That fucking guy didn't even try to get the challenger through. Once again, mopars get screwed.
Polybun 1 year ago
@Polybun - He is wrong about torsion bar suspension, but the Hemi 'Cuda or Hemi anything was nose heavy and poorly balanced. They were terrible handling cars because of it along with the 428CJ powered cars.
DONDIVA1969 1 year ago
@DONDIVA1969 true, with 800lbs of hemi up front, handling wasn't perfect. I think a 340 car would have been better.
Polybun 1 year ago