Terry Hobbs showed some mad skillz when he committed these murders right under the fucking noses of the WMPD, but luckily he didn't outsmart EsqDave who wasn't there, wasn't part of LE that investigated the case and didn't represent the WM3! WTG EsqDave!! Yay for secondhand knowledge!
Animals dont have 6 claws & they wait until decomposition starts before they eat remains.
The 'dream team' includes witness-for-hire-ambulance-chaser Werner Spitz, you know - the same guy that said Roy Kronk moved Caylee Anthony's skull even though it was buried to the eye sockets, the tape was old, the jaw was still in perfect anatomical position as was the hair mat, and there were undisturbed roots growing through it. All of them base their opinions on photos - they did not do the autopsies.
What Jessie really said: STIDHAM: Did you see them ride their bikes across there? MISSKELLEY: No. STIDHAM: So did you see them ride these two bikes across the pipe or did they push them across? MISSKELLEY: I didn’t see them. STIDHAM: They picked their bikes up and carried them across the pipe? MISSKELLEY: (Nods) STIDHAM: Who did? MISSKELLEY: Damien and Jason. On the size of the pipe: MISSKELLEY: Uh-huh. [your leg is] Maybe - maybe not quite as big, maybe half, maybe half of it.
@ted818283 The scene is now a cleared soybean field. As the video shows, it was a wooded patch in 1993 with many trees, etc. So, you're saying that it's MORE likely that large carnivorous animals roam the area in 2008 when it's a field than would have been present in 1993 when it was woods...... Okay. Yep, that's "non logic" for ya.
I don't believe that the WM3 are guilty, but I also highly doubt that any animal as large as the ones paw prints like this did the marks to the three young boys. If that was true I don't believe they would have stayed under the water the way they did.
all the other stuff about character judgement to convict them is not evidence . No murder weapon , no false alibies , no witnesses . NOTTA . Never should have been in jail one day for this . Argue all ya want but even if they did it you still have to have proof and aside from suspicion and opinions you just cant convict a man with that . It was a witch hunt with no evidence . The confession was ordered to not be used in court and yet it was . THE END .
guys guys . It doesnt matter . You can get upset all ya want . Accuse them or defend them but the bottom line is that there wasnt and isnt evidence that would do the job to keep them there . The way they were released has almost never been used .....theres a reason for that . It was to try to satisfy the public that still wants them to be condemned . They are free and theres nothing you can do about it . In my opinion in court the confession was not supposed to be used . Therefore they had ZERO
This is bull shit! I`m from the country and YES when i was little i could ride my bike over things MUCH smaller than that pipe. The tires on a bike are narrow fool.
@exhibit500 dude there's no penetration with the knife besides the rippled part in the middle. What are you saying the boys DID use the knife and just hacked at them? C'mon now
Sorry but if you really think these men are still guilty you are just as full of shit as the Da who tried this case! This is just another case of small town cluelessness and injustice. The police who arrested these men should be on trial for they're lies and cowardly ways. Next time try real police work, and maybe you can catch the real KILLER! What a shame... 17 years stollen from these innocent men!
@WM3supportersridiots If the decent, God fearing Christian citizens of West Memphis have any balls, those 3 punks will be dangling from a tree by Monday morning.
@exhibit500 IS THE SAME PERSON on here with many names.GrantLabon, exhibit500, Thirdconfession. freefoxyknoxy, wm3supporter, Crusadarember, and more. DON'T FALL FOR THIS ASSHOLE TROLL.
@noretrial You're hallucinating. The 9 justices of the Arkansas Supreme Court said no such thing - they reversed the trial judge and ordered new hearings to consider all the evidence.
24 people - you don't care about the misconduct in both trials, which even the State (in a brief filed today) says they're not going to fight? Be serious - otherwise, you're supporting three people living in hell who did nothing wrong and helping a guilty as hell killer (Hobbs) to walk free.
@7pretty7 New unfounded claims and blatant lies about TH..3 NEW criminals Mike Hobbs provided evidence against and Pam Hobbs sister posting bullshit on her facebook.
Really, third?! I mean seriously - you think the murdered boys mean more to you than they mean to their family members? Are you serioously that arrogant? All the family members with the exception of the Moores support the WM3 and want the killer of Stevie, Mike and Chris -- one TERRY HOBBS - arrested and brought to justice.
If you want to be a "non" - so be it, but don't dare say you're doing so in the name of murdered boys.... not when their families support the WM3.
@EsqDave That is not true, Pam Hobbs last statement did not say any such thing, she looks aged and emphysemic and tired. damein looks pale but well rested, he must be low on blood. Byers is an adopted father and past paid police informant, proof he can be bought. The Moores do not support them so who exactly supports them except the Christian haters and predators?
BLOCKED ON "DAMIEN ECHOLS KATV" - I wanted to post this "Most people are sane and logical. The vast majority of people are not imbiciles, and do not take fiction for profit as automatic truth (devils knot, movies on TV or any other idiocy). Publicity will cause smart people to waste their time on this, but at least justice and logic will prevail."
@CrusaderEmber Not sure what you're saying there - but yes, publicity, public panic, shoddy police work, and zealous political prosecutors, and a reward are what lead to the convictions - justice and logic will in fact prevail but, unfortunately, not until the late Fall. Check the site in the video intro (co-run by one of the victims' parents who is a vocal WM3 supporter) for all the background, latest, and, as you put it, "JUSTICE AND LOGIC." Justice for 6 = Free the 3 & Arrest the 1
I agree that there is evidence of animal predation on the bodies (I had thought turtles, raccoons etc.) but those paw prints look like they belong to dogs. Is this not an area where people walk their dogs? Were there also human footprints in the mud or were these definitely wild from what you saw?
@TzatzikiFiend I don't think there's a whole lot of dog-walkers in the field where the Robin Hood Hills / Blue Beacon / Turtle Hill was. It's a farmer's field part of the year and just an open field rest of the year. Weren't any other (human) footprints nearby - none next to the animal prints we saw. BTW, WMPD speculated in the days after THe murder that animals mutilated the boys - only dropped that when they decided that devil worshiping teens was a more salacious idea to sell the public.
@FuckBigBrother1964 Oh really? I didn't know about that! I'm quite new to this so I'm just trying read/watch as much as I can about it atm. Definitely interesting if there are animals that big in the area and unbelievable that they would merely overlook it once they got a story that suited them better!
@bigj70634 Yes, the sneaker / tennis shoe imprint hasn't been positively identified. But we do know that it doesn't match any of the WM3 (Damien wore Army boots, which would obviously have left a BIG and distinctive impression) ... we also know it's the exact same size and type worn by one Terry Hobbs. Check out the website in the intro for more -- we know who did this.
Okay, if these three boys killed the 8 year olds, how did they get the boys to go to the site in which their bodies were found at? How far away from that site did they all live? Wheres the time frames? What did the teenagers all say they were doing at the time of these childrens death?
@cajuncurlzz Good questions, Cajun -- the intro to the video has a link to a website that's co-run by one of the victim's parents, who initially thought the WM3 were guilty but is now one of their loudest advocates. Find out why and ask your questions there -- you'll get answers.
@DrHogfan Info that would have been known? He said in the confession the kids were tied up with brown rope when in fact they were tied up with their own shoe laces.
@nephilymbass1 Well, I'm glad you brought that up! It was addressed in Jessie Misskelley's third (second taped) confession! He admitted to being intentionally misleading in order to throw you (the police) off. Have a look for yourself.
@CrusaderEmber There was no physical evidence linking them to the victims or the crime scene. In my mind that is reasonable doubt. You want to bring up tapes what about the tape from the first 12 hours the cops talked to Misskelley??? I wonder how much threatening or promising came with those so called confessions. There is a man on death row based strictly on the words of another. So if I tell the cops I watched you shoot JFK should you be executed by lethal injection???
@nephilymbass1 Again, the 12 hour myth. You do realize it is perfectly legal for a police interrogator to claim anything they want (for example, you failed the polygraph, your friend told me all about it etc.) during an interview right? It wasn't 12 hours, more like 6 and (yet again ad nauseum, but it's you who keeps hitting the "false confession" bullshit) it doesn't explain the myriad other confessions of Misskelley. The reality is that they are in fact and actually guilty - ie they did it.
@CrusaderEmber Weird that there DNA isnt on the body yet the stept dads is...but ofc youll have some BS remark about how the child lived with the step dad and all..Seems odd tho, all that mud and water and yet that DNA is still there...and NONE from the 3 convicted. I supose its possible they washed them then threw them in the mud...NOT. Try opening your eyse to the facts. DNA is FACT. Put the real killer in the char for taking 3 lives and destroying 3 more.
@Neesharani My remark will cover that the DNA (my God please you f*&king retards) is two hairs. DNA near the crime scene? - HA! Two hairs. Not DNA as most think of the term. The kids played at the house, Neesha, I'm betting you're one of the hairiest bastards alive - never let kids play at your house. Seriously though, logic - learn it, use it and if you have the capability to understand it, YOUR eyes will be opened my hairy illogical friend.
@Neesharani Read and use logic. That's all I can recommend. But let me ask you if you understand the rhetorical difference between saying "two hairs were found" vice "DNA evidence"; I also wonder if you personally are using the term "DNA evidence" as a calculated decision.
@CrusaderEmber No I was refering to case files that stated DNA not "what dna". Thats what you dont understand about this case. The vids here do not give all the information and a clear view of what is actually a very complex crime to solve. Logic tells me there are more than 3 suspects. Normaly in a missing childs case the parents are always suspect, yet parents here were never looked into at all. You then have the mystery man who was covered in blood, again no follow up ..
@CrusaderEmber My main problem with this whole case is the fact the police pin 3 young teens to a crime. Only 1 of wich has a spotty history and could possibly be a person of intrest. They failed to folow up on 2 men {step fathers} who both had violence and sexual misconduct in there back rounds. Its not a clear open and shut case like people assume. To many mistakes on the part of police lead to an unfair trial. All Im saying is they do deserve re trial with the new items found.
@CrusaderEmber It seems this case likes to provoke the bitterness in some people. We each have a plausable oppinion that can be debated for and agains whos guilty. The fact that you come here to provke an argument with out stating facts, or state facts then say throw them out because its "not evidence", is ignorance. Theres more that meets the eye here. But for a person like your self you its pointless to debate, weve all seen how you see this case.
@CrusaderEmber You refuse to see the fact and actually enjoy the fictional aspects of what the media has made into a marketing tool for ratings. HEADLINES "In small southern town a devil worshiper kills!" Go jump on that ban wagon with your mason jar of moonshine. Im sure some of the rednecks miss you. As far as a reply to you after this, sorry I have better things to do than argue with a blind man about the color of the sky. Blessed be and may you keep an open mind.
@CrusaderEmber your here as well??? lol is there no clip you havent tried to spread your bolony?? hair verses dna evidence ... freak man what are you on??? dna is extracted from the hair hence the hair was the souce of the dna evidence same bloody thing derrrrrr .. how could it get in the ligature (in the knot of the shoelace) if it was secondary transfer ??? pffffffft i believe hobbs should be on trial not the wm3 lol NOTHING ties these boys to the crime scene NOTHING .. hobbs is tied to it..!!
@DrHogfan Excellent and legitimate question - why would someone give a false confession? Run a You Tube search on "false confessions" to learn more - or check out the innocence project's page; it's a good question, but there's a good answer. Keep an open mind...
More relevantly to Jessie - what's key is that in his many statements, he could never give one that comes close to aligning with the forensic evidence or known facts.
@twenty2082 Not sure what the point is, but the area was plowed over / redone several years ago; trees were removed and the hills leveled. The murders actually took place in an area called the Blue Beacon woods, kind of a different / sub-section of Robin Hood Hills. Terry Hobbs killed the boys in the BB woods and stored their bodies there, returning around 4:00 a.m. to move the bodies to where they were found. Come to the wm3blackboard dot com to see the latest.
@EsqDave I have one major issue with the blackboard. It says open debate correct? But its not open at all. The people who have posted about other possible asspects seem to get eaten alive if it didnt match the innocence the WM3 web site puts out. Im not saying they are guilty or innocent, Im just sad to see an "open debate" thats not very open.
@Neesharani I've seen people express questions and disagreements - the ones I've seen banned are are insulting or rude. I also realize that this is an emotional issue to many involved. Mark knows who killed his son and it's really beyond what human beings are designed to handle to watch the guy walking free and to see Damien on death row over it. I also acknowledge that there's incorrect info out there (Jessie made only 1 statement, etc) but the BB welcomes discussion, correction and TRUTH.
@EsqDave I think its hard to see any one behind bars for this crime when all the facts point to so many. Its insane to think the 3 got convicted on what little is there. Now I dont disagree with the fact they need a new trial, also that the step fathers should BOTH be looked into. I know its hard to keep an open debate when such emotions are put into this. But they have to try to show the world there POV and not be rude {and for some people thats impossible}
@EsqDave As we have seen here on your vid some have the fact confused with opinion. Not to mention the rude and nasty comments. Im glad that you {along with others here} can openly state there opinions and keep it a good debate. I have hoped to see a retrial on this case for some tims now, I think they deserve at least that. Let us hope that some day soon this case has come to an end. The 3 little boys and the 3 in jail deserve that.
@CrusaderEmber as before there innocence ,now fuck off punk,you understand my english now , you are a fucken retarted .your the low life here chum,lollll you stupid sick little boy ,whats wrong you got no one to fight with ,lollll girlfriend left,wonder why ,maybe she couldn,t grasp your english, lollll stum baster maybe you haven,t come out of the closet yet lolllllllll
@CrusaderEmber you know your a fucken asshole ,whats wrong with you ,who in the fuck do you think you are, go bash someone else, cause i don,t give a fuck what you think,or say understand asshole don,t sent me no more of your shit ,cause i don,t give a fuck what you think or say,understand asshole byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
did anyone happen to look for burrs and beggars lice on any of the suspects? Cuz they aren't easy to remove, and the place where they found the bodies are LOADED with them. How bout scratches from all the briars?
@liddybitable Damien's mother took photos of him (shirt off) shortly after the murders that establish he had no burrs, scratches or other marks. There has never been any physical evidence that links the WM3 -- all physical evidence exonerates them and points toward Terry Hobbs - run his name through You Tube to see more detailed discussion of him and why many of us are firmly convinced he's the killer
@EsqDave Hi, I wanted to say that when i saw the "Paradise Lost" movie for the first time, when i FIRST saw Terry Hobbs (before i knew and did anymore research) kneeling at his car lighting a cigarette at the location when they discovered the bodies an overwhelming feeling came over me at that moment and i looked at my husband and said "That guy right there is the one that is involved, he knows something". I don't know how to describe it, i mean, Its in his eyes.
@EsqDave After looking through the callahan.8k.com files I came across a sole picture of the "bite mark" (crime scene photos) and to me it still looks like a human bite mark as opposed to an animals bite mark. What type of animal do you suppose could leave such a circular blunt toothed mark?
@EsqDave Also, after looking through the evidence files that were submitted, i noticed that they had submitted pulled head and pubic hairs from Byers and Moore but i didn't see (and I could've just overlooked it) any of the same submitted from Terry Hobbs. Have you or anyone else noticed this or am i way off on this one?
Arkansas banned Harry Potter from being distributed; you don't think that is testament to that town being small minded and somewhat mentally unfit?!!? INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. Take away the forced confession and testimonials given by two teenagers, there isn't a case.
Raw evidence? Where is that? Because as far as I knew the wm3 were convicted because of one forced confession and two forced testimonials. Secondly, I'm sure the fact that $35k was sitting there for anyone that had "information" regarding the killings wasn't at all even considered by anyone that came forward. Why didn't these people come forward immediately? What about dna? finger prints? Oh that's right, they came back negative for the wm3! They must be geniuses! You are pathetic.
These kids were all proven to be elsewhere at the time of the crime. Infact one was even in another town at a wrestling match. If u don't want to be the next locked up for a crime u didn't do u better support them.
@maindrag After Damien was arrested, when the WMPD were going around saying to people "we know Damien did this -- how can you help us prove it?", there was all kinds of stories in WM and Marion. Police have affidavits claiming that Damien levitated them and 1 saying he killed a sick old Great Dane and kept its skull ... there was no dog skull in Damien's room. His father and he had bleached a deer skull that he found by the side of the road (or in a field), but that's it.
@DoctorOgrish I'm not sure what "fap" material means. I have autopsy photos, but they're not widely or freely disseminated. Send me an email off list at w m 3 @ d p p l a w . c o m (removing spaces) and let me know why you want them. If I send them, please treat them with respect. The wrongful convictions are a public issue, but the loss of the boys is obviously a private one as well
@DoctorOgrish Doc....nothing personal, but I saw your page. I'm not giving you the autopsy photos for a "blood and gore" website / video -- maybe you can get them elsewhere. The crime scene and bodies are shown in the beginning of Paradise Lost, which you can see on You Tube -- best I'll do for you.
@yellowrose011 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... aw shit, let me get my breath here... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Lord I hope you're 4 years old, or some village is missing their idiot. Wow, thanks, really, ya made my day!
@CrusaderEmber Wikipedia has a good layman's definition for you -- An allele (pronounced /ˈæliːl/ (UK), /əˈliːl/ (US); from the Greek αλληλος allelos, meaning each other) is one of two or more forms of the DNA sequence of a particular gene.[1][2]
Each gene can have different alleles. Sometimes, different DNA sequences (alleles) can result in different traits, such as color. Sometimes, different DNA sequences (alleles) will have the same result in the expression of a gene.
@EsqDave Wow, that's news to me! I asked you that rhetorical question because you had no clue what an allele was (you were trying to sound all scientific in a previous post, and it was very clear you had no idea). So, with that said, did YOU read the wikipedia definition? Do you now know that to state that "not one allele was found" is a stupid thing to post?
@CrusaderEmber At least read the posts you claim to respond to. I didn't say no allele was found -- I said, correctly, that no allele was found that links the WM3. An allele WAS found and it DOESN'T match the WM3 - because they weren't there (thus not a single hair, footprint, fingerprint, strand of DNA or allele). Hobbs' hair, Jacoby's hair (transported by Hobbs), and Hobbs' probable footprint WERE found. Not as fun as "oooh, Damien was crazy" but a whole lot more reliable!
For anyone who's following the case -- oral argument before the Supreme Court of Arkansas will be conducted on September 30, 2010 in Little Rock. Open to the public.
wm3 . org website will have info on rallies before and after oral argument.
@GrandArchitect3D if by "they", you mean "Terry Hobbs", then you're correct. Come on, man, read up -- he's guilty as hell and has been playing you. Even the parents of the murdered boys are on board at this point - the WM3 are 100% innocent, Terry Hobbs is 100% guilty.
@EsqDave wow this case is so injustice ,its unreal, my god its about time to let them go home, you got the DNA so use it ,and get the right guy ,whats taking them so long,a lot of people are free because of the DNA so whats the hold up ,unreal don,t rush its only been 14 years now for the 3 boys,so whats the hurry,the judge in this case ,the da,s office the cops all should be fired now ,
@CrusaderEmber come on esqdave, that's enough time to check wikipedia. Did you take high school biology? That would've been enough to know... Ok, you know about the kids who DAMIEN and friends MURDERED brutally. I cannot fathom why you would support CHILD MURDERERS. Is it because you think that's all right? Is it because you hope to rub elbows with Eddie Vedder (you'll still be behind the rope dildo)? Is it because you believe everything in print - I dun red it in a darn book! Be smart.
@EsqDave I do admit I'm not as bright as you dave, but you seem to think that DNA is a prerequisite to convict murderers; thousands of murderers were convicted in the US before anyone had any idea that DNA even existed. Two hairs (that would be expected to be found since the kids played at their house) amount to nothing. The killers are currently locked up and we can all be thankful for that. One caveat, Jessie should rightfully be set free some day. He has character and honesty.
@GrandArchitect3D I'm not angry with you over your ignorance - not your fault. I hope 2 things: (1) Look at the evidence -- as we know it to exist today. The lack of evidence at the scene (the lack of a single fingerprint. footprint, allele, hair or strand of DNA) when the perp must have left DNA (2) That Hobbs' DNA was there along with Jacoby's ... no way for Jacoby's get there except via xfer via Hobbs and (2) Don't let your pride stop u from coming back here and saying you were wrong.
@GrandArchitect3D you are an idiot if you believe that. You have much a right to say that as i have to accuse you of the murders. Where's your evidence? Have you read anything of this case? Because if you had, you'd see that everything points to the contrary. Man, how does it feel walking round every day knowing you're a pair of clown of shoes?
There's no DNA linking the WM3 to the crime-scene or the victims. They've never even attempted to show any of that evidence, if it exists. The WM3 attorneys have found a bite mark on the eye socket on one of the victims. That bite mark does not match any of the WM3. The confession of Jessie was filled with huge, gaping errors that show he didn't know what he was talking about...
@ToTheConquered He claimed the Damien and Jason raped the boys, yet after examination of the bodies, it was concluded that the boys had not been raped at all. He claimed that at the scene of the crime, the boys were drinking the blood of the boys, and that the blood was dripping everywhere. Now, with all that blood drinking going on at the scene, why was not one speck of blood found. Jessie said there was quite a struggle at times, ....
@ToTheConquered as Damien and Jason had to beat the children at the scene to keep them down, yet the bodies show no sign of the bludgeoning described by Jessie. Jessie even claimed the ritual happened during the day, yet EVERYONE admits that can't be right, because the victims were all seen at school. Now, how can anyone actually think that Jessie wouldn't know the difference between night and day when he's in the middle of the woods?
@ToTheConquered Only an irrational, biased person could claim to believe that Jessie was actually there, or that he knew what he was talking about. This was the only evidence that the prosecution could muster against Jessie, and he was convicted. Now, this evidence could NOT be used against Jason and Damien, or else the defense could've put Jessie on the witness stand in their case. Lo and behold, the prosecution didn't want to push their luck with that erroneous confession again.
@ToTheConquered Yet, because of the media, all the jurors in Damien's and Jason's trial knew about Jessie's confession.
There's never even been one sensible motive for why the WM3 would kill the boys. The best motive the prosecution come could up with was Satanism. If a million red flags don't pop up in your head with 'BULLSHIT' in big bold letters on it after their only motive being for Satanism, then I feel sorry for you.
@ToTheConquered Lets just entertain the idea that the boys were Satanists. Now, where's the evidence for the Satanic ritual on the victims? Oh right, there is none. Even the prosecution's own "expert" on the subject admitted he saw no sign of ritualism at the site. Right there, you know that the prosecution has shot themselves in the foot. We can conclude that the prosecution is continuing on with no motive since they never even threw out another theory for a motive.
@ToTheConquered There was no blood at the spot where the bodies were found. This means that the three boys had to carry the victims to the spot of the crime. None of the WM3 had a car, so how did they get the bodies there? Did they take a taxi? Did someone else give them a ride? Did they push them in a wheelbarrow? Did they strap them to their bikes? Do you think they could carry the three boys all the way out to the woods without being noticed?
@ToTheConquered All reasonable possibilities for the WM3 getting the victims to the site where the boys were found have never been explained by the prosecution.
The closest thing the prosecution has to linking the WM3 to the crime-scene is fiber from clothes. Now, they've also found the same types of fibers on Terry Hobbs, so maybe Terry Hobbs helped the boys. Maybe just the WM3 did it, and Terry Hobbs was just a coincidence.
@ToTheConquered Maybe just Terry Hobbs did it, and the WM3 coincidentally have the same fibers on them. Maybe fibers aren't a very significant find, since we all wear fibers and naturally the same types of fibers can be found on nearly anyone.
There's yet to be a murder weapon found. There was A weapon found, but there was no blood on it, no fingerprints from any of the WM3, and the knife could not even conceivably be considered as the type of knife that would inflict the types of...
@ToTheConquered knife that would inflict the types of cuts that were on the children. One has to wonder how the prosecution knew exactly where to look to find a knife in a pond, that supposedly they knew nothing about before its find. Sounds a little suspicious to me, but anywho.
Vicki Hutcheson took back her statement against the boys. She, at best, is a false witness. She's either lying about the confession Jessie gave her in secret, or she's lying now by claiming to have lied previously.
@ToTheConquered If you ask me, her recanting of the statement, in which she claimed Damien bragged about killing the victims, makes a heck of a lot more sense. She at least gave a motive for lying previously, as she was in trouble herself and didn't want to lose her own child. By cooperating with the police and confessing Damien admitted killing the victims, she could keep her child, avoid her own trial, and receive a sizable reward.
@ToTheConquered Also in that statement, she claimed Jessie picked her up in a car, but he never had a car or a license. Once again, the prosecution has used a confession from someone who clearly didn't even know what they were talking about, which in the realm of logic, would make a sane person question the validity of the statements.
Now, many of the family members of the victims have come forward and they want retrials for the WM3.
@ToTheConquered Why would the people who are closest to this case want retrials if they weren't sure that the WM3 are innocent? In the beginning, all the families wanted nothing more than the blood of the WM3, and that's understandable. I'd want it to, if I was in their situation. Now, as time has gone by and they've had time to look at the facts, it's not surprising that they see what many of us see.
@ToTheConquered The WM3 probably didn't do it, and there's a killer or killers who got away with a vicious, heinous crime. If the families of the victims want a retrial, then I think it's only fair to give them that.
It's also come to light, that a suspect has come forward and said that they saw Terry Hobbs with the three boys the evening of their murders. I think someone should look into that, though the validity of a suspect coming out 17 years too late is a bit odd.
@ToTheConquered There's much more easy, accessible information on the case I could represent if you'd like, but for now lets start here. I'd like to hear your side of the story, and see how you interpret the case. I'd like to hear more information on the case, whether for or against the WM3.
@ToTheConquered I apologize that I missed your "PM", after some searching I found that you sent me this on 11 Jun. I've received 2 "PM"s ever, one from you on 10 Jun and another from you (this one) on the 11th.
@EsqDave Nice. Again, your DNA evidence was two hairs that would be expected to be found. No thinking person would believe this to be significant. Are you purposely being deceptive by saying (in an earlier post) that "DNA was found all over the place?" It is possible that you simply don't understand science due to your gross misuse of allele in your post.
One of the 3 confessed. Echols and Baldwin both told others they committed the murders. Echols was seen near the crime scene with muddy clothes. Clothing fibers and a knife connected them to the crime.
@stopchildmolesters Hey, it's you again. You're still praising that site you found that shows the prosecutor's side of the story. When you only look at one side of the story, lo and behold, that's the side you want to pick. If you wanted to stop child molesters, then maybe you'd be more concerned about catching the actual guilty party who murdered those kids. You're not though. You're happily content feeling like you're keeping the world safe when you're not.
@ToTheConquered Old post of yours, but if you look at these WM3 sites you see that only one opinion is acceptable. PROPAGANDA. How about not doing what you say was done to the real killers.
@CrusaderEmber That's the thing. I have looked at both sides from both sides' cases. One side makes sense, and one doesn't. The WM3 has scientific evidence, and the prosecution has circumstantial evidence. In my opinion, circumstantial evidence alone is not worthy of a conviction. Sorry.
@ToTheConquered There's no point of contention in your post: ""Thanks for proving, once again, that the vast majority of people wanting the West Memphis 3 to be denied a retrial are indeed incapably of defending their position. I offer you a chance to state your case and you can't even discuss a single topic, because you know your position has no backing in reality. Keeping those three in prison hasn't saved anyones life, but it sure has advanced some political careers."
@CrusaderEmber I've given you over a week to respond to my PM, where I gave you plenty of subjects showcasing the complete lack of evidence brought forth by the prosecution. Rather than responding to any of the substantive topics of the case, you ask me about the science that exonerates, even though I've already done so in the PM. You're afraid to debate the case.
@ToTheConquered This is the PM conquered was talking about "Thanks for proving, once again, that the vast majority of people wanting the West Memphis 3 to be denied a retrial are indeed incapably of defending their position. I offer you a chance to state your case and you can't even discuss a single topic, because you know your position has no backing in reality. Keeping those three in prison hasn't saved anyones life, but it sure has advanced some political careers."
@CrusaderEmber You're so full of shit. I sent you a PM that took up my whole monitor. You never replied to it. You're talking about the comment I left on your page when you didn't reply back to my long PM. I'll copy and paste all of it on here, though for you. Go ahead and call me a liar.
@ToTheConquered CrusaderEmber As you can see, Mr Conquered presented no topic to discuss in his personal post. He then (predictably) tried to make it look like I'm evading him. Well, allow me to ask the only question that is relevant to any retrial again Mr. Conquered, what evidence that was not available to the jury that conviced them now supposedly exonerates the killers.
@ToTheConquered You asked no question - here's your PM in entirety : "Thanks for proving, once again, that the vast majority of people wanting the West Memphis 3 to be denied a retrial are indeed incapably of defending their position. I offer you a chance to state your case and you can't even discuss a single topic, because you know your position has no backing in reality. Keeping those three in prison hasn't saved anyones life, but it sure has advanced some political careers."
@CrusaderEmber I hope you don't runaway from this conversation. I've been trying to get someone who's on your side of the fence to talk to me about the case for awhile.
Terry Hobbs showed some mad skillz when he committed these murders right under the fucking noses of the WMPD, but luckily he didn't outsmart EsqDave who wasn't there, wasn't part of LE that investigated the case and didn't represent the WM3! WTG EsqDave!! Yay for secondhand knowledge!
Lethalstorm 1 week ago
The 'Claw mark' patterns were described in the autopsy report as 1/4", 3/16", 1/4", 3/16" etc
Echols' Rambo knife which was found behind Baldwin's trailer had a serration pattern which was measured as: 1/4", 3/16", 1/4", 3/16" etc
Nagual0033166 2 weeks ago
Animals dont have 6 claws & they wait until decomposition starts before they eat remains.
The 'dream team' includes witness-for-hire-ambulance-chaser Werner Spitz, you know - the same guy that said Roy Kronk moved Caylee Anthony's skull even though it was buried to the eye sockets, the tape was old, the jaw was still in perfect anatomical position as was the hair mat, and there were undisturbed roots growing through it. All of them base their opinions on photos - they did not do the autopsies.
Nagual0033166 2 weeks ago
Nagual0033166 2 weeks ago
@ted818283 The scene is now a cleared soybean field. As the video shows, it was a wooded patch in 1993 with many trees, etc. So, you're saying that it's MORE likely that large carnivorous animals roam the area in 2008 when it's a field than would have been present in 1993 when it was woods...... Okay. Yep, that's "non logic" for ya.
EsqDave 4 weeks ago
I don't believe that the WM3 are guilty, but I also highly doubt that any animal as large as the ones paw prints like this did the marks to the three young boys. If that was true I don't believe they would have stayed under the water the way they did.
UFCdomination 1 month ago
Who said they rode bikes across that pipe? They must had mad bike skills.
WiseInfant 1 month ago 2
all the other stuff about character judgement to convict them is not evidence . No murder weapon , no false alibies , no witnesses . NOTTA . Never should have been in jail one day for this . Argue all ya want but even if they did it you still have to have proof and aside from suspicion and opinions you just cant convict a man with that . It was a witch hunt with no evidence . The confession was ordered to not be used in court and yet it was . THE END .
MrMaximuth 4 months ago 2
guys guys . It doesnt matter . You can get upset all ya want . Accuse them or defend them but the bottom line is that there wasnt and isnt evidence that would do the job to keep them there . The way they were released has almost never been used .....theres a reason for that . It was to try to satisfy the public that still wants them to be condemned . They are free and theres nothing you can do about it . In my opinion in court the confession was not supposed to be used . Therefore they had ZERO
MrMaximuth 4 months ago 2
Great video Dave! Very telling.
dawniemc123 5 months ago
This is bull shit! I`m from the country and YES when i was little i could ride my bike over things MUCH smaller than that pipe. The tires on a bike are narrow fool.
imaStonesFan 5 months ago
@exhibit500 dude there's no penetration with the knife besides the rippled part in the middle. What are you saying the boys DID use the knife and just hacked at them? C'mon now
djbroncoroc 5 months ago 2
Sorry but if you really think these men are still guilty you are just as full of shit as the Da who tried this case! This is just another case of small town cluelessness and injustice. The police who arrested these men should be on trial for they're lies and cowardly ways. Next time try real police work, and maybe you can catch the real KILLER! What a shame... 17 years stollen from these innocent men!
SEFFFify 6 months ago 3
@WM3supportersridiots If the decent, God fearing Christian citizens of West Memphis have any balls, those 3 punks will be dangling from a tree by Monday morning.
DarrelfromZeeland 6 months ago
@exhibit500 YOU are a lyin ass jerk..stop tryin to spread your lyin ass bullshit idiot...TROLL
7pretty7 9 months ago
@exhibit500 IS THE SAME PERSON on here with many names.GrantLabon, exhibit500, Thirdconfession. freefoxyknoxy, wm3supporter, Crusadarember, and more. DON'T FALL FOR THIS ASSHOLE TROLL.
7pretty7 9 months ago
@exhibit500 IS ALSO NORETRIAL....and many more....now a NEW name ..iamlegion. what an asshole
7pretty7 9 months ago
@noretrial You're hallucinating. The 9 justices of the Arkansas Supreme Court said no such thing - they reversed the trial judge and ordered new hearings to consider all the evidence.
24 people - you don't care about the misconduct in both trials, which even the State (in a brief filed today) says they're not going to fight? Be serious - otherwise, you're supporting three people living in hell who did nothing wrong and helping a guilty as hell killer (Hobbs) to walk free.
FREE THE 3
EsqDave 9 months ago
@EsqDave NEW evidence about TH..3 NEW witneses and matching fibers on the knife that TH had.
7pretty7 4 weeks ago
@7pretty7 New unfounded claims and blatant lies about TH..3 NEW criminals Mike Hobbs provided evidence against and Pam Hobbs sister posting bullshit on her facebook.
Lethalstorm 1 week ago
@Lethalstorm what ever ha ha ha ...THEY ARE OUT ! hahahaha !
7pretty7 1 week ago
@7pretty7 So is Terry Hobbs! And he didn't do 18 years!!! Ha ha ha!
Lethalstorm 1 week ago
@Lethalstorm ok smart ass I'll give ya that one ..pretty funny ..just keepin an eye on ol TH ..who knows ??
7pretty7 1 week ago
Really, third?! I mean seriously - you think the murdered boys mean more to you than they mean to their family members? Are you serioously that arrogant? All the family members with the exception of the Moores support the WM3 and want the killer of Stevie, Mike and Chris -- one TERRY HOBBS - arrested and brought to justice.
If you want to be a "non" - so be it, but don't dare say you're doing so in the name of murdered boys.... not when their families support the WM3.
EsqDave 9 months ago
@EsqDave That is not true, Pam Hobbs last statement did not say any such thing, she looks aged and emphysemic and tired. damein looks pale but well rested, he must be low on blood. Byers is an adopted father and past paid police informant, proof he can be bought. The Moores do not support them so who exactly supports them except the Christian haters and predators?
TheAmazingamerica 6 months ago
This is a block check.
CrusaderEmber 10 months ago
@CrusaderEmber what one fell out your head..ya know..block head?
7pretty7 10 months ago
What I can't believe is that more people have watched "Mark Byers puts beatdown on Lawyer Dave at West Memphis Three hearing" than have watched this!
EsqDave 11 months ago
@EsqDave Maybe because this video is a waste of three and a half minutes of precious life? Fuck you.
Lethalstorm 1 week ago
BLOCKED ON "DAMIEN ECHOLS KATV" - I wanted to post this "Most people are sane and logical. The vast majority of people are not imbiciles, and do not take fiction for profit as automatic truth (devils knot, movies on TV or any other idiocy). Publicity will cause smart people to waste their time on this, but at least justice and logic will prevail."
CrusaderEmber 11 months ago
@CrusaderEmber Not sure what you're saying there - but yes, publicity, public panic, shoddy police work, and zealous political prosecutors, and a reward are what lead to the convictions - justice and logic will in fact prevail but, unfortunately, not until the late Fall. Check the site in the video intro (co-run by one of the victims' parents who is a vocal WM3 supporter) for all the background, latest, and, as you put it, "JUSTICE AND LOGIC." Justice for 6 = Free the 3 & Arrest the 1
EsqDave 11 months ago 2
@WM3supportersridiots sicko
7pretty7 11 months ago
JUSTICE FOR 6 = FREE THE 3 & ARREST THE 1
FuckBigBrother1964 1 year ago 2
I agree that there is evidence of animal predation on the bodies (I had thought turtles, raccoons etc.) but those paw prints look like they belong to dogs. Is this not an area where people walk their dogs? Were there also human footprints in the mud or were these definitely wild from what you saw?
TzatzikiFiend 1 year ago
@TzatzikiFiend I don't think there's a whole lot of dog-walkers in the field where the Robin Hood Hills / Blue Beacon / Turtle Hill was. It's a farmer's field part of the year and just an open field rest of the year. Weren't any other (human) footprints nearby - none next to the animal prints we saw. BTW, WMPD speculated in the days after THe murder that animals mutilated the boys - only dropped that when they decided that devil worshiping teens was a more salacious idea to sell the public.
FuckBigBrother1964 1 year ago 2
@FuckBigBrother1964 Oh really? I didn't know about that! I'm quite new to this so I'm just trying read/watch as much as I can about it atm. Definitely interesting if there are animals that big in the area and unbelievable that they would merely overlook it once they got a story that suited them better!
TzatzikiFiend 1 year ago
@FuckBigBrother1964 actually they found a shoe print and it has never been identified.
bigj70634 1 year ago 3
@bigj70634 Yes, the sneaker / tennis shoe imprint hasn't been positively identified. But we do know that it doesn't match any of the WM3 (Damien wore Army boots, which would obviously have left a BIG and distinctive impression) ... we also know it's the exact same size and type worn by one Terry Hobbs. Check out the website in the intro for more -- we know who did this.
JUSTICE FOR 6 = FREE THE 3 & ARREST THE 1
EsqDave 1 year ago 2
Okay, if these three boys killed the 8 year olds, how did they get the boys to go to the site in which their bodies were found at? How far away from that site did they all live? Wheres the time frames? What did the teenagers all say they were doing at the time of these childrens death?
cajuncurlzz 1 year ago
@cajuncurlzz Good questions, Cajun -- the intro to the video has a link to a website that's co-run by one of the victim's parents, who initially thought the WM3 were guilty but is now one of their loudest advocates. Find out why and ask your questions there -- you'll get answers.
JUSTICE FOR 6 = FREE THE 3 & ARREST THE 1
EsqDave 1 year ago 5
I can't believe they're still in prison. This is nuts.
FREE THE WM3
ERFSK127 1 year ago
@DrHogfan Info that would have been known? He said in the confession the kids were tied up with brown rope when in fact they were tied up with their own shoe laces.
nephilymbass1 1 year ago 3
@nephilymbass1 Well, I'm glad you brought that up! It was addressed in Jessie Misskelley's third (second taped) confession! He admitted to being intentionally misleading in order to throw you (the police) off. Have a look for yourself.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber There was no physical evidence linking them to the victims or the crime scene. In my mind that is reasonable doubt. You want to bring up tapes what about the tape from the first 12 hours the cops talked to Misskelley??? I wonder how much threatening or promising came with those so called confessions. There is a man on death row based strictly on the words of another. So if I tell the cops I watched you shoot JFK should you be executed by lethal injection???
nephilymbass1 1 year ago
@nephilymbass1 Again, the 12 hour myth. You do realize it is perfectly legal for a police interrogator to claim anything they want (for example, you failed the polygraph, your friend told me all about it etc.) during an interview right? It wasn't 12 hours, more like 6 and (yet again ad nauseum, but it's you who keeps hitting the "false confession" bullshit) it doesn't explain the myriad other confessions of Misskelley. The reality is that they are in fact and actually guilty - ie they did it.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber lol , whatever "crusader" don't you have something better to do like murder and oppress people
nephilymbass1 1 year ago 2
@CrusaderEmber Weird that there DNA isnt on the body yet the stept dads is...but ofc youll have some BS remark about how the child lived with the step dad and all..Seems odd tho, all that mud and water and yet that DNA is still there...and NONE from the 3 convicted. I supose its possible they washed them then threw them in the mud...NOT. Try opening your eyse to the facts. DNA is FACT. Put the real killer in the char for taking 3 lives and destroying 3 more.
Neesharani 1 year ago
@Neesharani My remark will cover that the DNA (my God please you f*&king retards) is two hairs. DNA near the crime scene? - HA! Two hairs. Not DNA as most think of the term. The kids played at the house, Neesha, I'm betting you're one of the hairiest bastards alive - never let kids play at your house. Seriously though, logic - learn it, use it and if you have the capability to understand it, YOUR eyes will be opened my hairy illogical friend.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber Yep like I said some stupid BS remark. Kudos you prove me right! BB now :)
Neesharani 1 year ago
@Neesharani Read and use logic. That's all I can recommend. But let me ask you if you understand the rhetorical difference between saying "two hairs were found" vice "DNA evidence"; I also wonder if you personally are using the term "DNA evidence" as a calculated decision.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@Neesharani ie. personal calculated decision versus regurgitation of others' calculated decisions.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber No I was refering to case files that stated DNA not "what dna". Thats what you dont understand about this case. The vids here do not give all the information and a clear view of what is actually a very complex crime to solve. Logic tells me there are more than 3 suspects. Normaly in a missing childs case the parents are always suspect, yet parents here were never looked into at all. You then have the mystery man who was covered in blood, again no follow up ..
Neesharani 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber My main problem with this whole case is the fact the police pin 3 young teens to a crime. Only 1 of wich has a spotty history and could possibly be a person of intrest. They failed to folow up on 2 men {step fathers} who both had violence and sexual misconduct in there back rounds. Its not a clear open and shut case like people assume. To many mistakes on the part of police lead to an unfair trial. All Im saying is they do deserve re trial with the new items found.
Neesharani 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber It seems this case likes to provoke the bitterness in some people. We each have a plausable oppinion that can be debated for and agains whos guilty. The fact that you come here to provke an argument with out stating facts, or state facts then say throw them out because its "not evidence", is ignorance. Theres more that meets the eye here. But for a person like your self you its pointless to debate, weve all seen how you see this case.
Neesharani 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber You refuse to see the fact and actually enjoy the fictional aspects of what the media has made into a marketing tool for ratings. HEADLINES "In small southern town a devil worshiper kills!" Go jump on that ban wagon with your mason jar of moonshine. Im sure some of the rednecks miss you. As far as a reply to you after this, sorry I have better things to do than argue with a blind man about the color of the sky. Blessed be and may you keep an open mind.
Neesharani 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber your here as well??? lol is there no clip you havent tried to spread your bolony?? hair verses dna evidence ... freak man what are you on??? dna is extracted from the hair hence the hair was the souce of the dna evidence same bloody thing derrrrrr .. how could it get in the ligature (in the knot of the shoelace) if it was secondary transfer ??? pffffffft i believe hobbs should be on trial not the wm3 lol NOTHING ties these boys to the crime scene NOTHING .. hobbs is tied to it..!!
skillynaomi 11 months ago 3
@drakesltd I'd tell the truth, just like Jessie did.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@DrHogfan Excellent and legitimate question - why would someone give a false confession? Run a You Tube search on "false confessions" to learn more - or check out the innocence project's page; it's a good question, but there's a good answer. Keep an open mind...
More relevantly to Jessie - what's key is that in his many statements, he could never give one that comes close to aligning with the forensic evidence or known facts.
JUSTICE FOR SIX = FREE THE 3 & ARREST THE 1
EsqDave 1 year ago 5
thats why they ditched their bikes on the pipe...
fuckcomments 1 year ago
i didnt see one hill in this video
twenty2082 1 year ago
@twenty2082 Not sure what the point is, but the area was plowed over / redone several years ago; trees were removed and the hills leveled. The murders actually took place in an area called the Blue Beacon woods, kind of a different / sub-section of Robin Hood Hills. Terry Hobbs killed the boys in the BB woods and stored their bodies there, returning around 4:00 a.m. to move the bodies to where they were found. Come to the wm3blackboard dot com to see the latest.
FREE THE 3 - ARREST THE 1
EsqDave 1 year ago
@EsqDave I have one major issue with the blackboard. It says open debate correct? But its not open at all. The people who have posted about other possible asspects seem to get eaten alive if it didnt match the innocence the WM3 web site puts out. Im not saying they are guilty or innocent, Im just sad to see an "open debate" thats not very open.
Neesharani 1 year ago
@Neesharani I've seen people express questions and disagreements - the ones I've seen banned are are insulting or rude. I also realize that this is an emotional issue to many involved. Mark knows who killed his son and it's really beyond what human beings are designed to handle to watch the guy walking free and to see Damien on death row over it. I also acknowledge that there's incorrect info out there (Jessie made only 1 statement, etc) but the BB welcomes discussion, correction and TRUTH.
EsqDave 1 year ago
@EsqDave I think its hard to see any one behind bars for this crime when all the facts point to so many. Its insane to think the 3 got convicted on what little is there. Now I dont disagree with the fact they need a new trial, also that the step fathers should BOTH be looked into. I know its hard to keep an open debate when such emotions are put into this. But they have to try to show the world there POV and not be rude {and for some people thats impossible}
Neesharani 1 year ago
@EsqDave As we have seen here on your vid some have the fact confused with opinion. Not to mention the rude and nasty comments. Im glad that you {along with others here} can openly state there opinions and keep it a good debate. I have hoped to see a retrial on this case for some tims now, I think they deserve at least that. Let us hope that some day soon this case has come to an end. The 3 little boys and the 3 in jail deserve that.
Neesharani 1 year ago
They non=supporters are uneducated and refuse to look at the evidence. They have even sent me threatening letters. let it go. Don't appease them.
maindrag 1 year ago 2
nice choice of soundtrack for the video!
Plasticsoul 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber Boy she burned you on that one..hahahahah I'm still laughing !
7pretty7 1 year ago
@yellowrose011 ....Man that was funny...go girl..hahahah
7pretty7 1 year ago 2
@7pretty7 unreal ,this chum is a asshole .won,t leave me alone,must like me lollllllllll
yellowrose011 1 year ago 3
@yellowrose011 Me too girl! lol Do u get threat letters too?
Don't write him back and block him. he has the education
of a grade 3 and even they could look and see the evidence. lol
I'm there for u girl.
maindrag 1 year ago
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@CrusaderEmber how many times do i have to tell you punk ,i don,t give a shit what you think or say,understand asshole now fuck off
yellowrose011 1 year ago
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@CrusaderEmber as before there innocence ,now fuck off punk,you understand my english now , you are a fucken retarted .your the low life here chum,lollll you stupid sick little boy ,whats wrong you got no one to fight with ,lollll girlfriend left,wonder why ,maybe she couldn,t grasp your english, lollll stum baster maybe you haven,t come out of the closet yet lolllllllll
yellowrose011 1 year ago
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yellowrose011 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber lolllllllllllllllllll what a fucken punk lollllllll
yellowrose011 1 year ago 6
@CrusaderEmber get a life asshole, there innocence, and your a punk,now fuck off
yellowrose011 1 year ago 4
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@CrusaderEmber you know your a fucken asshole ,whats wrong with you ,who in the fuck do you think you are, go bash someone else, cause i don,t give a fuck what you think,or say understand asshole don,t sent me no more of your shit ,cause i don,t give a fuck what you think or say,understand asshole byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
yellowrose011 1 year ago 2
did anyone happen to look for burrs and beggars lice on any of the suspects? Cuz they aren't easy to remove, and the place where they found the bodies are LOADED with them. How bout scratches from all the briars?
liddybitable 1 year ago
@liddybitable Damien's mother took photos of him (shirt off) shortly after the murders that establish he had no burrs, scratches or other marks. There has never been any physical evidence that links the WM3 -- all physical evidence exonerates them and points toward Terry Hobbs - run his name through You Tube to see more detailed discussion of him and why many of us are firmly convinced he's the killer
EsqDave 1 year ago 4
@EsqDave Hi, I wanted to say that when i saw the "Paradise Lost" movie for the first time, when i FIRST saw Terry Hobbs (before i knew and did anymore research) kneeling at his car lighting a cigarette at the location when they discovered the bodies an overwhelming feeling came over me at that moment and i looked at my husband and said "That guy right there is the one that is involved, he knows something". I don't know how to describe it, i mean, Its in his eyes.
liddybitable 1 year ago
@EsqDave After looking through the callahan.8k.com files I came across a sole picture of the "bite mark" (crime scene photos) and to me it still looks like a human bite mark as opposed to an animals bite mark. What type of animal do you suppose could leave such a circular blunt toothed mark?
liddybitable 1 year ago
@EsqDave Also, after looking through the evidence files that were submitted, i noticed that they had submitted pulled head and pubic hairs from Byers and Moore but i didn't see (and I could've just overlooked it) any of the same submitted from Terry Hobbs. Have you or anyone else noticed this or am i way off on this one?
liddybitable 1 year ago
so we agree thay diddeent do itthen freakystyley4000.whats happening with the jonny dep angle is he still involved or was that a media stunt.
sdavis732010 1 year ago
ive seen the documentry paradise lost & i think chris byers dad killed them & his wife who died myseriously as well.
sdavis732010 1 year ago
@sdavis732010 - innocent until proven guilty friend... and I WANT to free the WM3.
freakystyley4000 1 year ago
Arkansas banned Harry Potter from being distributed; you don't think that is testament to that town being small minded and somewhat mentally unfit?!!? INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. Take away the forced confession and testimonials given by two teenagers, there isn't a case.
Rising4Phoenix 1 year ago
Raw evidence? Where is that? Because as far as I knew the wm3 were convicted because of one forced confession and two forced testimonials. Secondly, I'm sure the fact that $35k was sitting there for anyone that had "information" regarding the killings wasn't at all even considered by anyone that came forward. Why didn't these people come forward immediately? What about dna? finger prints? Oh that's right, they came back negative for the wm3! They must be geniuses! You are pathetic.
Rising4Phoenix 1 year ago
lets think outside the box. Ballad of dwight frie and still got a long way to go by alice cooper would make good video backups.
maindrag 1 year ago
These kids were all proven to be elsewhere at the time of the crime. Infact one was even in another town at a wrestling match. If u don't want to be the next locked up for a crime u didn't do u better support them.
maindrag 1 year ago 2
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maindrag 1 year ago
@maindrag After Damien was arrested, when the WMPD were going around saying to people "we know Damien did this -- how can you help us prove it?", there was all kinds of stories in WM and Marion. Police have affidavits claiming that Damien levitated them and 1 saying he killed a sick old Great Dane and kept its skull ... there was no dog skull in Damien's room. His father and he had bleached a deer skull that he found by the side of the road (or in a field), but that's it.
FREE THE WM3
EsqDave 1 year ago 2
@EsqDave Did u misunderstand me? I agree with you.
There was no such thing.
free the wm3 immediately.
maindrag 1 year ago
If someone could send me the crime photos for fap material I'd appreciate it.
DoctorOgrish 1 year ago
@DoctorOgrish I'm not sure what "fap" material means. I have autopsy photos, but they're not widely or freely disseminated. Send me an email off list at w m 3 @ d p p l a w . c o m (removing spaces) and let me know why you want them. If I send them, please treat them with respect. The wrongful convictions are a public issue, but the loss of the boys is obviously a private one as well
EsqDave 1 year ago
@DoctorOgrish Doc....nothing personal, but I saw your page. I'm not giving you the autopsy photos for a "blood and gore" website / video -- maybe you can get them elsewhere. The crime scene and bodies are shown in the beginning of Paradise Lost, which you can see on You Tube -- best I'll do for you.
EsqDave 1 year ago
@DoctorOgrish start at wm3.org or yuku. It's everywhere on the
net. court docs etc.
maindrag 1 year ago
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yellowrose011 1 year ago
@yellowrose011 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... aw shit, let me get my breath here... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Lord I hope you're 4 years old, or some village is missing their idiot. Wow, thanks, really, ya made my day!
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber YOU ARE THE BIGGEST ASS HOLE ON HERE,
yellowrose011 1 year ago 26
@yellowrose011 lollllllllllllllllll
yellowrose011 1 year ago 2
@yellowrose011 Yellowrose has control over international trade! Tread lightly.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
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yellowrose011 1 year ago
whats the deal with these 3 ?? and i just saw Eddie Vedder defend the 3 on Larry King!
acerb45666555 1 year ago
@acerb45666555 Google Blackboard and WM3 and follow the link to the board where you can learn "what the deal is."
EsqDave 1 year ago
esqdave, I'll ask again; you used the word alleles in a previous post, please explain what that is.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber Wikipedia has a good layman's definition for you -- An allele (pronounced /ˈæliːl/ (UK), /əˈliːl/ (US); from the Greek αλληλος allelos, meaning each other) is one of two or more forms of the DNA sequence of a particular gene.[1][2]
Each gene can have different alleles. Sometimes, different DNA sequences (alleles) can result in different traits, such as color. Sometimes, different DNA sequences (alleles) will have the same result in the expression of a gene.
EsqDave 1 year ago
@EsqDave Wow, that's news to me! I asked you that rhetorical question because you had no clue what an allele was (you were trying to sound all scientific in a previous post, and it was very clear you had no idea). So, with that said, did YOU read the wikipedia definition? Do you now know that to state that "not one allele was found" is a stupid thing to post?
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber At least read the posts you claim to respond to. I didn't say no allele was found -- I said, correctly, that no allele was found that links the WM3. An allele WAS found and it DOESN'T match the WM3 - because they weren't there (thus not a single hair, footprint, fingerprint, strand of DNA or allele). Hobbs' hair, Jacoby's hair (transported by Hobbs), and Hobbs' probable footprint WERE found. Not as fun as "oooh, Damien was crazy" but a whole lot more reliable!
FREE THE WM3!
EsqDave 1 year ago 2
@EsqDave Nope, that's not what you said Mr. Wizard. Nice cover though.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
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CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
For anyone who's following the case -- oral argument before the Supreme Court of Arkansas will be conducted on September 30, 2010 in Little Rock. Open to the public.
wm3 . org website will have info on rallies before and after oral argument.
EsqDave 1 year ago
@GrandArchitect3D if by "they", you mean "Terry Hobbs", then you're correct. Come on, man, read up -- he's guilty as hell and has been playing you. Even the parents of the murdered boys are on board at this point - the WM3 are 100% innocent, Terry Hobbs is 100% guilty.
EsqDave 1 year ago
@EsqDave got to agree with you on this 100% on this one
yellowrose011 1 year ago
@EsqDave have to agree,terry hobbs DNA was found at the crime scene,now let them go home and get the right guy
yellowrose011 1 year ago
@EsqDave wow very well said
yellowrose011 1 year ago
@GrandArchitect3D If by "they", you mean "Terry Hobbs", then -- very good, you've finally read the evidence and used your brain.
EsqDave 1 year ago
@EsqDave wow this case is so injustice ,its unreal, my god its about time to let them go home, you got the DNA so use it ,and get the right guy ,whats taking them so long,a lot of people are free because of the DNA so whats the hold up ,unreal don,t rush its only been 14 years now for the 3 boys,so whats the hurry,the judge in this case ,the da,s office the cops all should be fired now ,
yellowrose011 1 year ago 2
@EsqDave What are alleles?
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber come on esqdave, that's enough time to check wikipedia. Did you take high school biology? That would've been enough to know... Ok, you know about the kids who DAMIEN and friends MURDERED brutally. I cannot fathom why you would support CHILD MURDERERS. Is it because you think that's all right? Is it because you hope to rub elbows with Eddie Vedder (you'll still be behind the rope dildo)? Is it because you believe everything in print - I dun red it in a darn book! Be smart.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@EsqDave I do admit I'm not as bright as you dave, but you seem to think that DNA is a prerequisite to convict murderers; thousands of murderers were convicted in the US before anyone had any idea that DNA even existed. Two hairs (that would be expected to be found since the kids played at their house) amount to nothing. The killers are currently locked up and we can all be thankful for that. One caveat, Jessie should rightfully be set free some day. He has character and honesty.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@GrandArchitect3D I'm not angry with you over your ignorance - not your fault. I hope 2 things: (1) Look at the evidence -- as we know it to exist today. The lack of evidence at the scene (the lack of a single fingerprint. footprint, allele, hair or strand of DNA) when the perp must have left DNA (2) That Hobbs' DNA was there along with Jacoby's ... no way for Jacoby's get there except via xfer via Hobbs and (2) Don't let your pride stop u from coming back here and saying you were wrong.
EsqDave 1 year ago
i forgot that you are guilty until proven innocent....oh wait. That only happens when the police f**ks up the crime scene......
jotdurden 1 year ago
@jotdurden yes and they did big time,on this case,
yellowrose011 1 year ago
@GrandArchitect3D you are an idiot if you believe that. You have much a right to say that as i have to accuse you of the murders. Where's your evidence? Have you read anything of this case? Because if you had, you'd see that everything points to the contrary. Man, how does it feel walking round every day knowing you're a pair of clown of shoes?
jotdurden 1 year ago
There's no DNA linking the WM3 to the crime-scene or the victims. They've never even attempted to show any of that evidence, if it exists. The WM3 attorneys have found a bite mark on the eye socket on one of the victims. That bite mark does not match any of the WM3. The confession of Jessie was filled with huge, gaping errors that show he didn't know what he was talking about...
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered He claimed the Damien and Jason raped the boys, yet after examination of the bodies, it was concluded that the boys had not been raped at all. He claimed that at the scene of the crime, the boys were drinking the blood of the boys, and that the blood was dripping everywhere. Now, with all that blood drinking going on at the scene, why was not one speck of blood found. Jessie said there was quite a struggle at times, ....
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered as Damien and Jason had to beat the children at the scene to keep them down, yet the bodies show no sign of the bludgeoning described by Jessie. Jessie even claimed the ritual happened during the day, yet EVERYONE admits that can't be right, because the victims were all seen at school. Now, how can anyone actually think that Jessie wouldn't know the difference between night and day when he's in the middle of the woods?
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Only an irrational, biased person could claim to believe that Jessie was actually there, or that he knew what he was talking about. This was the only evidence that the prosecution could muster against Jessie, and he was convicted. Now, this evidence could NOT be used against Jason and Damien, or else the defense could've put Jessie on the witness stand in their case. Lo and behold, the prosecution didn't want to push their luck with that erroneous confession again.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Yet, because of the media, all the jurors in Damien's and Jason's trial knew about Jessie's confession.
There's never even been one sensible motive for why the WM3 would kill the boys. The best motive the prosecution come could up with was Satanism. If a million red flags don't pop up in your head with 'BULLSHIT' in big bold letters on it after their only motive being for Satanism, then I feel sorry for you.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Lets just entertain the idea that the boys were Satanists. Now, where's the evidence for the Satanic ritual on the victims? Oh right, there is none. Even the prosecution's own "expert" on the subject admitted he saw no sign of ritualism at the site. Right there, you know that the prosecution has shot themselves in the foot. We can conclude that the prosecution is continuing on with no motive since they never even threw out another theory for a motive.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered There was no blood at the spot where the bodies were found. This means that the three boys had to carry the victims to the spot of the crime. None of the WM3 had a car, so how did they get the bodies there? Did they take a taxi? Did someone else give them a ride? Did they push them in a wheelbarrow? Did they strap them to their bikes? Do you think they could carry the three boys all the way out to the woods without being noticed?
ToTheConquered 1 year ago 2
@ToTheConquered All reasonable possibilities for the WM3 getting the victims to the site where the boys were found have never been explained by the prosecution.
The closest thing the prosecution has to linking the WM3 to the crime-scene is fiber from clothes. Now, they've also found the same types of fibers on Terry Hobbs, so maybe Terry Hobbs helped the boys. Maybe just the WM3 did it, and Terry Hobbs was just a coincidence.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Maybe just Terry Hobbs did it, and the WM3 coincidentally have the same fibers on them. Maybe fibers aren't a very significant find, since we all wear fibers and naturally the same types of fibers can be found on nearly anyone.
There's yet to be a murder weapon found. There was A weapon found, but there was no blood on it, no fingerprints from any of the WM3, and the knife could not even conceivably be considered as the type of knife that would inflict the types of...
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered knife that would inflict the types of cuts that were on the children. One has to wonder how the prosecution knew exactly where to look to find a knife in a pond, that supposedly they knew nothing about before its find. Sounds a little suspicious to me, but anywho.
Vicki Hutcheson took back her statement against the boys. She, at best, is a false witness. She's either lying about the confession Jessie gave her in secret, or she's lying now by claiming to have lied previously.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered If you ask me, her recanting of the statement, in which she claimed Damien bragged about killing the victims, makes a heck of a lot more sense. She at least gave a motive for lying previously, as she was in trouble herself and didn't want to lose her own child. By cooperating with the police and confessing Damien admitted killing the victims, she could keep her child, avoid her own trial, and receive a sizable reward.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Also in that statement, she claimed Jessie picked her up in a car, but he never had a car or a license. Once again, the prosecution has used a confession from someone who clearly didn't even know what they were talking about, which in the realm of logic, would make a sane person question the validity of the statements.
Now, many of the family members of the victims have come forward and they want retrials for the WM3.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Why would the people who are closest to this case want retrials if they weren't sure that the WM3 are innocent? In the beginning, all the families wanted nothing more than the blood of the WM3, and that's understandable. I'd want it to, if I was in their situation. Now, as time has gone by and they've had time to look at the facts, it's not surprising that they see what many of us see.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered The WM3 probably didn't do it, and there's a killer or killers who got away with a vicious, heinous crime. If the families of the victims want a retrial, then I think it's only fair to give them that.
It's also come to light, that a suspect has come forward and said that they saw Terry Hobbs with the three boys the evening of their murders. I think someone should look into that, though the validity of a suspect coming out 17 years too late is a bit odd.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered There's much more easy, accessible information on the case I could represent if you'd like, but for now lets start here. I'd like to hear your side of the story, and see how you interpret the case. I'd like to hear more information on the case, whether for or against the WM3.
Good day.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered I apologize that I missed your "PM", after some searching I found that you sent me this on 11 Jun. I've received 2 "PM"s ever, one from you on 10 Jun and another from you (this one) on the 11th.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
i think ur rite nd why wud 1 of them at the start conffess to doing it and describe wot had happend
crobaradam 1 year ago
@EsqDave Nice. Again, your DNA evidence was two hairs that would be expected to be found. No thinking person would believe this to be significant. Are you purposely being deceptive by saying (in an earlier post) that "DNA was found all over the place?" It is possible that you simply don't understand science due to your gross misuse of allele in your post.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
lol..some people believe in unicorns too.
WM3 GUILTY !
Joel2Dope 1 year ago
Evidence the West Memphis 3 were guilty
One of the 3 confessed. Echols and Baldwin both told others they committed the murders. Echols was seen near the crime scene with muddy clothes. Clothing fibers and a knife connected them to the crime.
google "West Memphis 3 confession, witness corroboration, physical evidence"
stopchildmolesters 1 year ago
@stopchildmolesters Hey, it's you again. You're still praising that site you found that shows the prosecutor's side of the story. When you only look at one side of the story, lo and behold, that's the side you want to pick. If you wanted to stop child molesters, then maybe you'd be more concerned about catching the actual guilty party who murdered those kids. You're not though. You're happily content feeling like you're keeping the world safe when you're not.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Old post of yours, but if you look at these WM3 sites you see that only one opinion is acceptable. PROPAGANDA. How about not doing what you say was done to the real killers.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber That's the thing. I have looked at both sides from both sides' cases. One side makes sense, and one doesn't. The WM3 has scientific evidence, and the prosecution has circumstantial evidence. In my opinion, circumstantial evidence alone is not worthy of a conviction. Sorry.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered It's obvious that you think. Now, tell me about the science that exonerates.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered Again, I'm only interested in the science that the defense has that was lacking when the killers were convicted.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber Sorry, there's just not enough room for this topic with 500 characters. I'll only discuss this on a PM.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered -----Nope. Out in the open where EVERYONE can see. Now, once again, tell me about the SCIENCE that exonerates.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber I am not typing all of that out again, just so you can continue to avoid the subject.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
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@ToTheConquered There's no point of contention in your post: ""Thanks for proving, once again, that the vast majority of people wanting the West Memphis 3 to be denied a retrial are indeed incapably of defending their position. I offer you a chance to state your case and you can't even discuss a single topic, because you know your position has no backing in reality. Keeping those three in prison hasn't saved anyones life, but it sure has advanced some political careers."
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber I've given you over a week to respond to my PM, where I gave you plenty of subjects showcasing the complete lack of evidence brought forth by the prosecution. Rather than responding to any of the substantive topics of the case, you ask me about the science that exonerates, even though I've already done so in the PM. You're afraid to debate the case.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered This is the PM conquered was talking about "Thanks for proving, once again, that the vast majority of people wanting the West Memphis 3 to be denied a retrial are indeed incapably of defending their position. I offer you a chance to state your case and you can't even discuss a single topic, because you know your position has no backing in reality. Keeping those three in prison hasn't saved anyones life, but it sure has advanced some political careers."
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber You're so full of shit. I sent you a PM that took up my whole monitor. You never replied to it. You're talking about the comment I left on your page when you didn't reply back to my long PM. I'll copy and paste all of it on here, though for you. Go ahead and call me a liar.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered CrusaderEmber As you can see, Mr Conquered presented no topic to discuss in his personal post. He then (predictably) tried to make it look like I'm evading him. Well, allow me to ask the only question that is relevant to any retrial again Mr. Conquered, what evidence that was not available to the jury that conviced them now supposedly exonerates the killers.
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@ToTheConquered You asked no question - here's your PM in entirety : "Thanks for proving, once again, that the vast majority of people wanting the West Memphis 3 to be denied a retrial are indeed incapably of defending their position. I offer you a chance to state your case and you can't even discuss a single topic, because you know your position has no backing in reality. Keeping those three in prison hasn't saved anyones life, but it sure has advanced some political careers."
CrusaderEmber 1 year ago
@CrusaderEmber I hope you don't runaway from this conversation. I've been trying to get someone who's on your side of the fence to talk to me about the case for awhile.
ToTheConquered 1 year ago
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@CrusaderEmber Better yet, prove that the WM3 did it. After all, you're the one who personally said:
"Since I know for a fact that Damien and buds are guilty, I type what most people think about the killers"
It doesn't seem that you do since you're not presenting any evidence whatsoever.
downwithliberal55 1 year ago
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The site above links to information from the trial, not blogs. The trial evidence shows evidence of their guilt.
google "West Memphis 3 confession, witness corroboration, physical evidence"
stopchildmolesters 1 year ago