it is more than enough power to cause earthquakes.. ever heard of tomography? they use only 30 watts of the same frequency waves and have caused earth quakes..
It's really wird ppl, this is diversion or something, might be just a coincidence, the chem trails might be fake, i think they want us to belive that hey are so powerfull, if we know this, they want us to, they aren't retarded if they didn't wanted us to know this, we woudn't knew it.
Ha! This Lazy Jones sounds like a paid goon to debunk the truth..... The truth is out there and so are the ones being paid to say things like.."you sound like you believe this video.. why?"
I hope that these evil ones get a huge backfire in there backyards from what they are doing to the new madrid fault... man's inhumanity to man....we could be such a beautiful race... our planet and it's myriad of life forms is such a treasure in the cold, empty place we call space... Keep spreading the truth
Proof does not need to be "understood". It will speak for itself.
If something needs to be "understood", then that is the same as saying that it needs to be "interpreted in a certain way". In other words, it needs to be twisted. Manipulated.
There are other ionospheric heaters around the world, under the control of different people and projects, in completely different countries. - But I have never heard about an ionospheric heater in Tennessee.
Lazyjones you have demonstrated that rational debate with these people is simply not possible. You have clearly outlined what this technology does and doesn't do in a calm simple manner but these people don't want to hear it. The put it simply,people fear what they don't understand and these conspiracy theorists seem to be very simple minded so they fear a lot of things.
sceptical on the mind control part... but if the physical effects are anything to go by,...you know what its like when you dont feel so hot your ability to function mentally is compromised so i suppose in a way it is mind control?
They are playing with our only defence against the sun, if this is allowed to go ahead then we are dumb for letting it happen, i'd rather have a full scale nuclear war than have a bunch of yank retards destroy the earth!
"They are playing with our only defence against the sun"
Get an education, please. The sun does hundreds of times more damage to the ionosphere than HAARP does, and does it for much longer intervals - as in: All day long, every single day of the year.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
@LazyJones1 no ionsphere = no human life on earth, these guys are playing with that.. i'd rather have some form of defence than none at all, and the all seeing eye is a masonic symbol, the set square etc... so it can't pre date king solomons times... unless i'm missing something?
"i'd rather have some form of defence than none at all"
You do. And it's not going anywhere.
"the all seeing eye is a masonic symbol"
Not exclusively. Your argument is the same as saying that the every pentagram is the symbol of satanic worship. It's an ignorant argument. Both are used in many contexts.
@LazyJones1 It's not a claim, the scientists admit that they heat the ionisphere to melting poiint, literally slice it up... If we didnt have that protection from the sun almost no life on earth would be possible, so people interfering with that is a threat to all life on this planet.. Furthermore i did not say the symbol is exclusively used by the masons, but it has been around since King Solomons times and it has been their symbol for practically 'EVER'
"the scientists admit that they heat the ionisphere to melting point"
I'd love to see a scientist make that claim with a straight face.
The ionosphere consists of mostly gasses. As such, they're already past their melting point. To brin the ionosphere to the melting point, would thus constitute a freezing of the ionosphere...
"literally slice it up"
Again, no such expression has been used, nor is it accurate in any way.
@LazyJones1 I think you should have a look at Jesse Ventura's report on HAARP and what he found... He tried to contact them several times to visit and NO WAY was he allowed access... An open day every 2 years does not constitute an open public project you lying, manipulative, ass kissing, government puppet! Pop your head out the window and take a deep breath of that fukushima air thats headed your way!
You ramble on about not believing the government, but happily believe such drivel?!
I don't even want to hear your thoughts on the Fox TV alien autopsy...
You are beyond reach.
No one said it was a public project. It's a scientific research installation. Can't have people running around all the time, disturbing. It's that way at all research facilities.
My argument was that King Solomon predates the masons by a factor of 20.
Meaning, the symbol was in use way before the masons formed. It's also used in Buddhism and many other places. You can't claim that it's ONLY masonic, and therefore you cannot claim that the eyes you see are masonic - unless you have good arguments for each individual case.
@LazyJones1 You dont seem to see the picture here that most sane rational people see.... The sun maybe damages the ionisphere.. but theres nothing anyone can do about that.. Its a law of nature.. But tampering with it via beaming billions of watts of high energy beams.. literally slicing it up... Will be the end of all life on earth.. So you sir are the one who doesnt have a clue what they are talking about...
Yes. HUNDREDS of times more intensely than HAARP does.
And where HAARP does small experiments that last seconds or minutes, the hundreds of times more powerful effect of the sun is exerted upon the ionosphere ALL day long, EVERY day of the year.
HAARP's effect is like that of a small immersion heater dipped into the great lakes on a stormy day. A small, negligible and localized effect, that is completely gone after a couple of minutes, tops.
@LazyJones1 "yes hundreds of times more than HAARP DOES" so you admit haarp destroys the ionishphere? It doesnt matter if it destroys it by a fraction its still destroying it and that has to stop unless you want have to wear factor 5000 suncream? and undergo chemotherapy!
I didn't even say anything interpretable that way.
Let's run it by you one more time:
The sun has an effect on the ionosphere HUNDREDS of times more powerful than HAARP, and has had that effect ALL day - EVERY day - for billions of years!
If HAARP can destroy the ionosphere using less than a hundredth of that effect, for intervals of mere minutes occasionally , then the sun would have FRIED it already!
@LazyJones1 yes you did, you said that the sun damages the ionisphere MORE than haarp "does"... Do you even get how harmful the sun would be without an ionisphere? OUR ONLY DEFENCE
Why play with something that is stopping us from being burnt and frazzled by gamma radiation?
You're twisting my words into what you want to hear.
Let me play it your way then - I will simply rephrase it into the same sentence I have already used: The sun has an EFFECT on the ionosphere HUNDREDS of times more powerful than that of HAARP - and exerts said effect on the ionosphere EVERY day - ALL day long. It has done so for billions of years, which clearly tells us that if HAARP could hurt the ionosphere, the sun would have already done so.
@LazyJones1 The sun doesnt turn the ionosphere into plasma you imbecile! The ionisphere is a barrier which shouldnt be broken not even a cm should be damaged when its all we have.... Theres always one willing to fuck things up for the rest of humanity...
@MrLuvaluva67 You know what at the end of the day as long as you do it over american soil... good luck to you and the solar radiaiton you'll have to endure as a result.. just dont expect sympathy from rest of the world when that shit backfires on your sorry american asses! You'd think after the last round of atomic testing and the strontium 90 found in 2 millionbaby teeth after 1963 that you idiots would learn..
We're not "tampering", we're energizing it the same way the sun is.
"billions of watts"
3.6 million watts.
"literally slicing it up"
Also incorrect. An area of it gets slightly heated. That is all. The effect is barely measurable, except by sensitive equipment at the facility. The resultant effect of the signal is a mere 3 microwatts per square centimeter.
@LazyJones1 'Energizing' the atmosphere is 'not' good!... NO good can come from playing with nature...ESPECIALLY our last line of defence against the SUN! If this wasn't intended for destruction then it wouldn't be run by the military! If you are an employee at haarp you wouldnt even know what was happening there it would be top secret. Just like manhattan project workers knew NOTHING! They would let people in to see if they had nothing to hide! Instead of every 2 years once they hide shit.
"If you were an employee at haarp you wouldn't even know what was happening there"
It's not a company, it's a scientific facility. There are no employees. Only people who periodically use the facility for their research.
"it would be top secret"
Another false claim. There are no classified papers on HAARP. It's a completely unclassified project. You don't even need a security clearance to enter. Students, foreign scientists, the media, even the public can visit.
@LazyJones1 That is BS and you know it.You cant just show up and enter that facility.J.Ventura prooved that when he showed up.The military bought up everything concerning that project.Its not run by the military only funded.. Jeez they pay for it but its not theirs. i guess that makes it all good and dandy and theres nothing going on except teeny tiny signals so we can talk to each other around the globe.Guess what? we already have communications for that and last time i checked they were good
I didn't say you could. Nor would you be able to in my home, even though that also doesn't require a security clearance. You need to make an appointment. That is no different from any other scientific facility with expensive equipment.
"they pay for it but its not theirs"
Oh it's theirs. But they don't run it. They don't have the knowledge or the skills.
@LazyJones1 well they have been running for time without interference from the ionisphere without hinderance...so that is just another of the BS excuses used to operate that facility and pay for it via tax dollars..
@LazyJones1 also they have admitted that it forms a plasma when heated. (hence the pretty clouds)....for Plasma to occur it takes extremely high temps. So why are you going to all the effort to deny what they are doing is potentially dangerous?
Yes, that is what charged particles in that state are. Plasma.
"hence the pretty clouds"
Sorry? - High frequency waves do not interact with water vapor. What are you talking about clouds for?
The plasma is JUST barely visible, and only at night - directly above the facility in Alaska - in the form of a weak, glowing green light. Almost like a small aurora borealis effect.
@LazyJones1 I mention clouds because everytime the haarp facility has been operating strange colourful clouds have been sighted right around the world..
@LazyJones1 Projecting what exactly? Are you trying to say the CIA never experimented with LSD as a means to control people? And single handedly supplied the whole USA... After they have came out and admitted it openly that what they had done backfired bigtime just like everything else they do...??
@LazyJones1 Exactly! lower temps are needed to acheive plasma therefore sending millions if not billions of watts of power into the ionisphere can only do harm, bear in mind that the effect is amplified thousands of times, using the term "tampering or interfereing" is going lightly on them as i would go further and say they are totally fucking it up!
@LazyJones1 also if the temps required were much lower why are they using millions of watts of power or even atempting to create plasma? "For military weaponisation" dress it up as communications as much as you want people aren't stupid sheep that will belive anything the government says anymore.
@LazyJones1 I find that extremely hard to believe that 3.6million watts has an imeasurable effect..... Especially given that 30 watts could penetrate solid rock! Tell me what good can come from HAARP? And what the military have ever done thats good for mankind?
"don't say that the ionisphere cannot be irreparably damaged!"
I wouldn't. It's spelled "ionosphere"...
And no, we've been doing experiments with ionospheric heaters for decades, and there's been exactly ZERO evidence of any permanent effect either way. The ionosphere is an inherently chaotic place. Any change made to it is gone again in a couple of minutes at most. That's what we've seen every single experiment. That's what the evidence shows.
@LazyJones1 dont tell me how to spell when you have made a power of grammatical errors yourself.. Bullshit! Proove it! Publish your findings if you are so sure of yourself!
English isn't my first language, so I wouldn't mind you pointing out my errors. It would help me improve. My correction was meant in the same spirit.
"Publish your findings"
As if you wouldn't just go "Bah! It's a cover-up for the real thing - I know what's REALLY going on!".
Your mind is made up.
If it is really open, then go find the issues of Radio Science, Nature and Journal of Geophysical Research in which the results of the experiments are published.
@LazyJones1 you have nothing to back that up either LAzyjones! And over at Radio Science there is fuck all there either to back up what you are saying.. and if there was the public cannot access that kind of information...
You are going to an awful lot of trouble to justify what HAARP is doing. You cannot say for sure that the Ionisphere hasnt been already severely damaged.. If you are so in tune with the state of that layer... perhaps you can tell us how you measure its integrity?
You are not rational. You're a conspiracy theorist.
The two are mutually exclusive.
You believe without evidence. That is not rational.
You also speak of things you do not understand. You really do not have a clue about HAARP, the ionosphere, or the freemasons, or the use of eyes in symbols throughout history.
@LazyJones1 You see this is what the mass media and the actual conspirators do... They start whispering campaigns, dirty tricks.. and label people conspiracy theorists or crazy for speaking out and asking questions. People who have lived around haarp even know its well dodgy.. I may not be an astro physicist.. But it doesnt take one to see that this has military potential, and being run by the military means that at some point there will be a weaponised version , meaning lots of testing.
@LazyJones1 This is all based on facts Lazy! people wouldn't be concerned otherwise! The facts are as follows.. 1. they beam high energy waves into the ionisphere 2. Its run by the military/funded by the military/owned by the military (the scientists are working for the military) 3.they can remove parts of it pushing it further up and super heating it to form a plasma
I mean the facts speak volumes and that isn't even the half!
Only if you want them to. You're trying to make them say things they do not support. You're trying to jump to a predetermined conclusion.
Let me hammer it in one more time.
If HAARP could damage the ionosphere, then the sun, doing the same thing - HUNDREDS of times more effectively, on a daily basis, would have completely ruined it billions of years ago.
@LazyJones1 I have no pre determined conclusions and i'm an avid fan of science and discovery and everything and practically anything which will advance us as a whole, but this research does not appear good for mankind as a whole. EISCAT, they say is radar but its basically haarp aswell but doesnt look the same or as advanced. and they cant be 100% sure what they are doing is not destroying the ionisphere.. Its like the bomb they didnt know how far the chain reaction would go.
I suppose with america doing this research it was only a matter of time before russia and china and the rest of the nuclear powers wanted a slice... No one wants to be left behind in a potentil arms race..
@LazyJones1 You've refuted nothing with evidence... except prooved that you will say anything to justify what they are doing at haarp.. You sound like you are either an employee or an admirer of their work.
@LazyJones1 Yeah i love how you said "the sun does hundreds of times 'more damage' to the ionosphere than HAARP does" .. HAARP is supposedly merely observing the ionosphere, why are they causing any damage at all? You can't say the sun is in more wrong for carrying out it's natural purpose than man for interfering with natural processes where it is not needed.
That's not to say they don't have an effect, just that the effect is literally negligible.
It's quite comparable to dipping a normal immersion heater into The Great Lakes for a minute on a stormy day, and then measuring the effect. With precise equipment, you can see it - before it completely vanishes minutes later.
HAARP heats a small part of the ionosphere, then measures the effect, which vanishes completely in minutes.
The sun's radiation spands a large spectrum with some of it penetrating all the way to the lowest part of the ionosphere (some even through it), some of it only reaching the top of the ionosphere, and HAARP has the same capabilities, to a smaller degree.
The effect happens IN the ionosphere, the origin of the radiation has no relevance to the effect.
@LazyJones1 Ok, so you're saying a sun does more damage than the HAARP, but what if at its highest activity, sun, emits a powerful energy which this i-barely-knew-HAARP disrupts the ionosphere, and let's say create some sort of hole in ionosphere. The HAARP itself being the catalyst, not the source. Do you think this is possible in any way ?
[continued] ... it would be, or how strong the effect (if any!) will be.
It might as well put a damper on the tornado as increase it. Or it might lead to a colony of bees deciding to move into your attic, instead of your neighbours. Or to a rain cloud holding off raining until it has gone out over sea instead of dumping it on land.
@LazyJones1 yeah pure junk the whole HAARP project they invested billions in. The chemtrails they spray in the skies. Its all connected and costs an awful lot of money. They can create natural disasters and play god without the general public suspecting a thing. Especially the braindead mind controlled sheeple. The ones who dont employ critical thinking even though all the signs are there.
No where near enough energy to do anything like it.
The effect of HAARP is so small it takes special equipment to detect.
There is no explanation for how HAARP could do something like this, it's just a silly belief some people decide to have despite better judgement, common sense and reason.
"play god"
You should have elaborated on that one. It's an empty claim. It means nothing.
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guys, you have really nothing else to do that imagine stupidity like that? HAARP is a receptor... but for you the truth is somewhere else, and you like make brainstrorming of conspiracy and all this kind of thing... just stupid.
No, that would be the heavy monsoon rains they got.
HAARP has nothing to do with it. HAARP is a purely scientific facility doing ionospheric research. If anyone wants to claim otherwise, I'd be happy to take a look at their EVIDENCE!
Here is a theory ... North american union wants to take over the rest of the world that doesnt use the amero - use our money , pay our taxes .. No ? We'll natural disaster your brown ass's untill you pay up bitches ....
@LazyJones1 think about it who would figure it out that could do something the only thing that you can do is give mass awarness and it so happens that in this day and age you have to use youtube and also the people who would do something is the military and there the ones controling this again people with power do terrible things look at history it constantly repeats itself
@LazyJones1 lol nutjob a laugh and nothing else im glad to see that your to stupid to even think about the possiblilty thats whats wrong with people but whatever ill take my open mind and continue liveing life well your doing whatever you want to do you selfish bastard lol call me a nutjob look up sudo science and carl sagan who is makeing all the new technology certainly not you or the people
Well, it depends on the reasons you had for claiming it was coming in the first place.
Historians shot it down first, as the mayans don't even have the concept of an end of days in their culture. That's a judeo-christian kinda thing.
It was also shot down by Nasa, if you ever thought the sun's 11-year cycle was going to produce a killer peak in solar intensity. That peak is now predicted to be a lot lower than the last, and has been postponed to 2013-2014.
@LazyJones1 it might have been the end of a calenda but its what the people who pull the strings do next that will make it into somthing or nothing 2012 might just be a normal year but i garentee by 2020 or well before all hell is going to break loose on earth wars ,food shortages,, water shortages ect it doesn't look good for us
@RvGJK Believe it or not, you may think I'm talking CRAZY here, but wars, food shortage and water shortage have existed since the dawn of civilization. (OMFWTF I DONT BELIEVE IT!)
@Emothicaol am not getting into it with somone who is clearly asleep!!!!!!! come back when you wake up and trust me it will be SOON WEATHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO WAKE UP YOU WILL!!!!!!!
@Emothicaol emo was just a passing trend and now it's pretty much gone.........just like hipppy came and went from the 60's.............and just like greaser came and went from the 50's. ECT it has passed.
@gotthkid2 I suggest YOU do some research. Altering the ionosphere does not affect plate tectonics and cause earthquakes. Do you really think our technology is advanced enough to do that, nevermind pinpoint the exact location where the earthquake will occur?
I never said I'm Emo and Goth at once, I said people assume I'm one or the other depending on my ever-alternating fashion sense. I love the Emo cultue and the Gothic culture.
@Emothicaol first of all do research on haarp and YES it can happen
second emo is dead lol get over it.....move on with your life and emo isent a culture......it's a style of music.........and finally your a fucking teenager or you wouldent still be into emo.......goth is another story its a complete lifestyle for all ages.
@gotthkid2 So playing about with particles in the atmosphere can make giant rocks the size of continents over 20km below the surface move around? Oh Jesus, I should not have fed the troll. I should not have fed the troll. I should not have fed the troll.
Also Emo IS a culture that developed from the music, just like Goth. And to see Emo is dead is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. #LOL
Yes indeed, everything is interpretation. But we ARE pretty sure that we've figured out the Mayan Long Count. And it does end/reset on December 21st 2012. - But that is all that happens.
Yes, HAARP also did some research on the ELF waves, that can naturally form due to heating the ionosphere. These are natural and completely harmless ELF waves due to their weak strength. They are no more powerful, than the ones also caused by lightning strikes.
As for the Norway spiral, that has nothing to do with HAARP or ionospheric heating of any kind.
We have all the evidence we need, that it was indeed the failed russian Bulava missile.
The video you refer to is an animation showing the ELF waves.
Such radio waves - as with all electromagnetic radiation - are invisible...
They have zero visible effect on the air, and cannot be seen directly nor indirectly. They did not cause the Norway spiral.
Furthermore, the EISCAT facility in Norway is a much weaker ionospheric heater, doesn't have the capabilities that HAARP does, and is in no way affiliated with HAARP, or the people responsible for HAARP.
HAARP VLF is used to communicate with submarines near the surface (for example using the transmitter DHO38), while ELF is used for deeply-submerged vessels....The strength of the signal received can vary with a Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance. These cause the ionization level to drop in the atmosphere. The result of this is that the VLF signal will reflect down to Earth with greater strength.
2:15; he's right. comsec is IMPORTANT in military ops. Watch Jesse Ventura's episode on HAARP. An average person can use a cd player to "hear" music in their brain that is essentially beamed into the mind with ELF waves; the same energy waves HAARP and the human brain uses.
Don't believe anything you see on those Jesse Ventura ENTERTAINMENT programs. They twist the truth, manipulate the facts and outright lie to make the program entertaining. It's NOT a documentary or investigative journalism. It's 100% pure entertainment, and NOT meant to be taken anymore serious than what he said when he was a professional wrestler.
omfg you people BLAME everything on the fucking goverment, now even "natural disasters"..... how does the fucking goverment mimic natural disasters.... listen to yourselves you sound so stupid. oh yeah and the goverment wouldnt make an earthquake happen in there own country wouldnt they you know go for the real threat.... korea with enough nukes to blow up the earth 40 times? noooo they wouldnt do that theyd do it to places they dont matter.. of course...retard.
@LazyJones1 Just because you aren't getting a piece of the pie doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You think they're going to share their technology with the peasants of the world? HAH!
@LazyJones1 Oh, the technology DOES appear to exist, it just isn't mainstream yet. There are people who've made engines run on water, but they were silenced, for example. We could be using free energy, but of course that doesn't work to the advantage of our slave masters. They like to keep us begging.
it is more than enough power to cause earthquakes.. ever heard of tomography? they use only 30 watts of the same frequency waves and have caused earth quakes..
sanchazer 3 months ago
@sanchazer
"ever heard of tomography? they use only 30 watts of the same frequency waves and have caused earth quakes.."
Sorry. No one has ever caused an earthquake with a high frequency signal in the range that HAARP utilizes.
You've been misled by a video in which a very silly person talked about 30 watts of LOW frequency waves.
LazyJones1 3 months ago 2
It's really wird ppl, this is diversion or something, might be just a coincidence, the chem trails might be fake, i think they want us to belive that hey are so powerfull, if we know this, they want us to, they aren't retarded if they didn't wanted us to know this, we woudn't knew it.
orlin258 6 months ago
Ha! This Lazy Jones sounds like a paid goon to debunk the truth..... The truth is out there and so are the ones being paid to say things like.."you sound like you believe this video.. why?"
I hope that these evil ones get a huge backfire in there backyards from what they are doing to the new madrid fault... man's inhumanity to man....we could be such a beautiful race... our planet and it's myriad of life forms is such a treasure in the cold, empty place we call space... Keep spreading the truth
eilzed 7 months ago
@eilzed You don't think it's a fair question?
Are you promoting the belief in anything for which there is no evidence or credibility? No?
Then we agree that all claims should be looked at critically.
Now, I ask again: Why believe this video?
It's just common sense to ask that question BEFORE assuming that the video is telling the truth.
LazyJones1 7 months ago
@eilzed You don't think it's a fair question?
Are you promoting the belief in anything for which there is no evidence or credibility? No?
Then we agree that all claims should be looked at critically.
Now, I ask again: Why believe this video?
It's just common sense to ask that question BEFORE assuming that the video is telling the truth.
LazyJones1 7 months ago
not exactly sure how u can argue comprension or "understanding" of knowledge & free thought but ok i guess.....lol
DevlynDisquise 7 months ago
2not understand or "believe" is proof of how brain washed our knowledge is 3;{}
DevlynDisquise 7 months ago
@DevlynDisquise
Proof does not need to be "understood". It will speak for itself.
If something needs to be "understood", then that is the same as saying that it needs to be "interpreted in a certain way". In other words, it needs to be twisted. Manipulated.
LazyJones1 7 months ago
I still do not understand all of this but I am trying to understand. I was advised that HAARP is also located in Nashville,TN..
RD
rdm258 7 months ago
@rdm258
Then you were lied to.
HAARP exists only in Alaska.
There are other ionospheric heaters around the world, under the control of different people and projects, in completely different countries. - But I have never heard about an ionospheric heater in Tennessee.
LazyJones1 7 months ago
>can be used for mind control of large populations
>no
thezob101 8 months ago
@thezob101 I like how you think you know better then scientists.
in10forever 8 months ago
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@in10forever >I like how you think you know better then scientists.
>then
>derp
thezob101 8 months ago
@in10forever
Scientists agree with thezob101.
HAARP cannot be used for mind control.
Or weather manipulation, earthquake generation or whatever other crazy and baseless claims conspiracy theorists throw at this place.
LazyJones1 8 months ago
@LazyJones1 Possibly not mind control, but it can easily be used to kill people by sending signals.
And weather manipulation and earth quake gerneration.
First of all, there are plenty of videos explaining it. and tesla's earthquake machine is the BASE of haarp.
the fact that people have been PREDICTING earthquakes, clearly shows that there is some type of earthquake machine.
in10forever 8 months ago
@in10forever
"it can easily be used to kill people by sending signals"
Please give a physical explanation for the process by which that is done.
"And weather manipulation and earth quake gerneration"
Please give a physical explanation for the process by which that is achieved.
"there are plenty of videos explaining it"
I'll put money on the fact that I've seen every video you're thinking about, and not one of them were truthful.
Tesla's earthquake machine is NOT the base of haarp.
LazyJones1 8 months ago
@in10forever
"the fact that people have been PREDICTING earthquakes, clearly shows that there is some type of earthquake machine"
No. It wouldn't show that even if they did predict an earthquake, which I sincerely doubt is the case.
However, we can easily predict that earthquakes will happen in seismically active zones based solely on the theory of plate tectonics.
You've been duped by conspiracy theorists. The question is: Why did you believe them?
LazyJones1 8 months ago
DID YOU GET THAT ?! DID YOU F***KING GET THAT YOU F***KING AMARICANS IRRIVERSEBLE !!!!!!
SupremeLordReptyle 9 months ago
why would they wanna cause natual disarters for evrey one thats not very nice
nickybba 9 months ago
Yet another brilliant strategy from the states...Do they seriously believe that world can withstand such destruction and climate changes?
Ravagexful 9 months ago
@Ravagexful
You sound like you believed this video.
... Why?
LazyJones1 9 months ago 10
@Ravagexful no
jh4dc5s 9 months ago
30 miles from Fairbanks? I don't think so, it's farther than that.
cbtaken 9 months ago
Lazyjones you have demonstrated that rational debate with these people is simply not possible. You have clearly outlined what this technology does and doesn't do in a calm simple manner but these people don't want to hear it. The put it simply,people fear what they don't understand and these conspiracy theorists seem to be very simple minded so they fear a lot of things.
riceburnagtv 10 months ago
I think the haarp scientists should be rounded up and put before a high energy beam of plasma!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
sceptical on the mind control part... but if the physical effects are anything to go by,...you know what its like when you dont feel so hot your ability to function mentally is compromised so i suppose in a way it is mind control?
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
They are playing with our only defence against the sun, if this is allowed to go ahead then we are dumb for letting it happen, i'd rather have a full scale nuclear war than have a bunch of yank retards destroy the earth!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"They are playing with our only defence against the sun"
Get an education, please. The sun does hundreds of times more damage to the ionosphere than HAARP does, and does it for much longer intervals - as in: All day long, every single day of the year.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
LazyJones1 10 months ago 8
@LazyJones1 no ionsphere = no human life on earth, these guys are playing with that.. i'd rather have some form of defence than none at all, and the all seeing eye is a masonic symbol, the set square etc... so it can't pre date king solomons times... unless i'm missing something?
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"no ionosphere = no human life on earth"
And how is hypothetical notion related to HAARP?
"these guys are playing with that"
That is your claim, and nothing but a claim.
"i'd rather have some form of defence than none at all"
You do. And it's not going anywhere.
"the all seeing eye is a masonic symbol"
Not exclusively. Your argument is the same as saying that the every pentagram is the symbol of satanic worship. It's an ignorant argument. Both are used in many contexts.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 It's not a claim, the scientists admit that they heat the ionisphere to melting poiint, literally slice it up... If we didnt have that protection from the sun almost no life on earth would be possible, so people interfering with that is a threat to all life on this planet.. Furthermore i did not say the symbol is exclusively used by the masons, but it has been around since King Solomons times and it has been their symbol for practically 'EVER'
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"the scientists admit that they heat the ionisphere to melting point"
I'd love to see a scientist make that claim with a straight face.
The ionosphere consists of mostly gasses. As such, they're already past their melting point. To brin the ionosphere to the melting point, would thus constitute a freezing of the ionosphere...
"literally slice it up"
Again, no such expression has been used, nor is it accurate in any way.
"If we didnt have that"
We do, and HAARP isn't removing it.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"people interfering with that is a threat to all life on this planet"
You need to use better defined words for the interaction.
"interfere" is not a good choice.
You interfere with the atmosphere when you breath in and out. Does that mean that it is in jeopardy? No.
Neither is the ionosphere from HAARP. The interaction is insignificant.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 I think you should have a look at Jesse Ventura's report on HAARP and what he found... He tried to contact them several times to visit and NO WAY was he allowed access... An open day every 2 years does not constitute an open public project you lying, manipulative, ass kissing, government puppet! Pop your head out the window and take a deep breath of that fukushima air thats headed your way!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"Jesse Ventura's report on HAARP"
... His WHAT?
It was an entertainment piece.
Please don't tell me you are that gullible.
You ramble on about not believing the government, but happily believe such drivel?!
I don't even want to hear your thoughts on the Fox TV alien autopsy...
You are beyond reach.
No one said it was a public project. It's a scientific research installation. Can't have people running around all the time, disturbing. It's that way at all research facilities.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"it can't pre date king solomons times"
My argument was that King Solomon predates the masons by a factor of 20.
Meaning, the symbol was in use way before the masons formed. It's also used in Buddhism and many other places. You can't claim that it's ONLY masonic, and therefore you cannot claim that the eyes you see are masonic - unless you have good arguments for each individual case.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 The masons have been on the go since King Solomons times you crackpot!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"it has been their symbol for practically 'EVER'"
Sure. If you define "EVER" as 1797 when it was first used by the freemasons.
They have older symbols, but not much older. The freemasons do not go further back in history than about 500 years.
The eye has been used in many different contexts before that. I'm sure you're familiar with The Eye of Ra?
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 You dont seem to see the picture here that most sane rational people see.... The sun maybe damages the ionisphere.. but theres nothing anyone can do about that.. Its a law of nature.. But tampering with it via beaming billions of watts of high energy beams.. literally slicing it up... Will be the end of all life on earth.. So you sir are the one who doesnt have a clue what they are talking about...
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"The sun maybe damages the ionisphere"
Yes. HUNDREDS of times more intensely than HAARP does.
And where HAARP does small experiments that last seconds or minutes, the hundreds of times more powerful effect of the sun is exerted upon the ionosphere ALL day long, EVERY day of the year.
HAARP's effect is like that of a small immersion heater dipped into the great lakes on a stormy day. A small, negligible and localized effect, that is completely gone after a couple of minutes, tops.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 "yes hundreds of times more than HAARP DOES" so you admit haarp destroys the ionishphere? It doesnt matter if it destroys it by a fraction its still destroying it and that has to stop unless you want have to wear factor 5000 suncream? and undergo chemotherapy!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"you admit haarp destroys the ionisphere?"
Did I say that? No I did not.
I didn't even say anything interpretable that way.
Let's run it by you one more time:
The sun has an effect on the ionosphere HUNDREDS of times more powerful than HAARP, and has had that effect ALL day - EVERY day - for billions of years!
If HAARP can destroy the ionosphere using less than a hundredth of that effect, for intervals of mere minutes occasionally , then the sun would have FRIED it already!
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 yes you did, you said that the sun damages the ionisphere MORE than haarp "does"... Do you even get how harmful the sun would be without an ionisphere? OUR ONLY DEFENCE
Why play with something that is stopping us from being burnt and frazzled by gamma radiation?
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"yes you did"
No, I did not.
You're twisting my words into what you want to hear.
Let me play it your way then - I will simply rephrase it into the same sentence I have already used: The sun has an EFFECT on the ionosphere HUNDREDS of times more powerful than that of HAARP - and exerts said effect on the ionosphere EVERY day - ALL day long. It has done so for billions of years, which clearly tells us that if HAARP could hurt the ionosphere, the sun would have already done so.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 The sun doesnt turn the ionosphere into plasma you imbecile! The ionisphere is a barrier which shouldnt be broken not even a cm should be damaged when its all we have.... Theres always one willing to fuck things up for the rest of humanity...
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67 You know what at the end of the day as long as you do it over american soil... good luck to you and the solar radiaiton you'll have to endure as a result.. just dont expect sympathy from rest of the world when that shit backfires on your sorry american asses! You'd think after the last round of atomic testing and the strontium 90 found in 2 millionbaby teeth after 1963 that you idiots would learn..
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"Your sorry american asses"
You might have checked my profile before you made YET ANOTHER assumption...
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"The sun doesnt turn the ionosphere into plasma you embecile"
"Embecile"?
Fact: The sun creates the ionosphere.
Fact: The ionosphere IS plasma.
Look. It. Up.
End of discussion. You have no comprehension of what you're talking about, but happily insult anyone who disagree with you.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 Dont you find it strange that the ice caps are melting in the north pole and HAARP has been going strong since the early 90's?
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 that imbecile by the way.
glennkyle1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 lol @ you.
jh4dc5s 9 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"tampering with it"
We're not "tampering", we're energizing it the same way the sun is.
"billions of watts"
3.6 million watts.
"literally slicing it up"
Also incorrect. An area of it gets slightly heated. That is all. The effect is barely measurable, except by sensitive equipment at the facility. The resultant effect of the signal is a mere 3 microwatts per square centimeter.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 'Energizing' the atmosphere is 'not' good!... NO good can come from playing with nature...ESPECIALLY our last line of defence against the SUN! If this wasn't intended for destruction then it wouldn't be run by the military! If you are an employee at haarp you wouldnt even know what was happening there it would be top secret. Just like manhattan project workers knew NOTHING! They would let people in to see if they had nothing to hide! Instead of every 2 years once they hide shit.
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"'Energizing' the atmosphere is 'not' good!"
Actually, it is. That is how the ionosphere forms.
The sun energizes the atmosphere, creating the charged particles that constitutes the active part of the ionosphere.
"If this wasn't intended for destruction then it wouldn't be run by the military!"
1. You're on the internet. It originated from a military research project. You're ignoring that communication is a large part of warfare.
2. It's NOT run by the military. Only funded.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"If you were an employee at haarp you wouldn't even know what was happening there"
It's not a company, it's a scientific facility. There are no employees. Only people who periodically use the facility for their research.
"it would be top secret"
Another false claim. There are no classified papers on HAARP. It's a completely unclassified project. You don't even need a security clearance to enter. Students, foreign scientists, the media, even the public can visit.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 That is BS and you know it.You cant just show up and enter that facility.J.Ventura prooved that when he showed up.The military bought up everything concerning that project.Its not run by the military only funded.. Jeez they pay for it but its not theirs. i guess that makes it all good and dandy and theres nothing going on except teeny tiny signals so we can talk to each other around the globe.Guess what? we already have communications for that and last time i checked they were good
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"That is BS and you know it"
Nope. Look it up.
"You cant just show up and enter"
I didn't say you could. Nor would you be able to in my home, even though that also doesn't require a security clearance. You need to make an appointment. That is no different from any other scientific facility with expensive equipment.
"they pay for it but its not theirs"
Oh it's theirs. But they don't run it. They don't have the knowledge or the skills.
A consortium of universities run it.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"we already have communications for that and last time i checked they were good"
Good is not enough for GPS systems. They need to be perfectly on the money.
As for money - You can bet the TV networks are interested in keeping themselves on the air even in case of ionospheric interefences.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 well they have been running for time without interference from the ionisphere without hinderance...so that is just another of the BS excuses used to operate that facility and pay for it via tax dollars..
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
You are mistaken.
There is a great loss in signal at every ionospheric interference. There has been ever since radio broadcasts started.
But you are in your rights to deem any research a waste of tax dollars. I will not debate that, as it is a subjective claim.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 also they have admitted that it forms a plasma when heated. (hence the pretty clouds)....for Plasma to occur it takes extremely high temps. So why are you going to all the effort to deny what they are doing is potentially dangerous?
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"it forms a plasma when heated"
Yes, that is what charged particles in that state are. Plasma.
"hence the pretty clouds"
Sorry? - High frequency waves do not interact with water vapor. What are you talking about clouds for?
The plasma is JUST barely visible, and only at night - directly above the facility in Alaska - in the form of a weak, glowing green light. Almost like a small aurora borealis effect.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 I mention clouds because everytime the haarp facility has been operating strange colourful clouds have been sighted right around the world..
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"everytime the haarp facility has been operating strange colorful clouds have been sighted right around the world"
»Correlation does not imply causation«
1. You can always see something in the clouds if you want to.
2. These effects typically have other natural causes.
3. You've been watching youtube conspiracy theory videos of circumhorizon arcs uncritically.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1" You can always see something in the clouds if you want to".. I think you've been exposd to too much CIA LSD bro!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"I think you've been expods to too much CIA LSD bro!"
Another conspiracy theory. Perhaps you are simply projecting?
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 Projecting what exactly? Are you trying to say the CIA never experimented with LSD as a means to control people? And single handedly supplied the whole USA... After they have came out and admitted it openly that what they had done backfired bigtime just like everything else they do...??
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"Projecting what exactly?"
Being exposed to the stuff.
"just like everything else they do"
Generalizations, assumptions, premade conclusions and paranoid speculations. That's all you're selling.
I'm not interested.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"for Plasma to occur it takes extremely high temps."
At ground level, yes. Due to the atmospheric pressure.
But in the thin ionosphere, the temperature requirements are much lower.
And again: Pointless argument. If it was dangerous, then so is the sun.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 Exactly! lower temps are needed to acheive plasma therefore sending millions if not billions of watts of power into the ionisphere can only do harm, bear in mind that the effect is amplified thousands of times, using the term "tampering or interfereing" is going lightly on them as i would go further and say they are totally fucking it up!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"Exactly! lower temps are needed to achieve plasma therefore sending millions if not billions of watts of power into the ionisphere can only do harm"
1. It's 3.6 million watts.
2. It's spread over a large area, resulting in an effect of 3 microwatts per square centimeter. I already mentioned that.
3. The part of the energy that isn't absorbed, continues on into outer space.
"the effect is amplified"
The resultant effect includes that.
"fucking it up!"
How technical.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 also if the temps required were much lower why are they using millions of watts of power or even atempting to create plasma? "For military weaponisation" dress it up as communications as much as you want people aren't stupid sheep that will belive anything the government says anymore.
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"why are they using millions of watts of power"
For better results, obviously.
"For military weaponisation"
Pure speculation. Unworthy of comment.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 I find that extremely hard to believe that 3.6million watts has an imeasurable effect..... Especially given that 30 watts could penetrate solid rock! Tell me what good can come from HAARP? And what the military have ever done thats good for mankind?
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"I find that extremely hard to believe that 3.6 million watts has an imeasurable effect"
It's spread out over a large area, tens of kilometers wide.
"30 watts could penetrate solid rock"
Now you're talking about low frequency waves. They have different properties.
The high frequency signal of HAARP wouldn't be able to penetrate dirt!
"Tell me what good can come from HAARP?"
Research.
Possible solutions to interruptions in satellite communication from ionospheric interferences.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 now tell me the potential bad.. And dont say that the ionisphere cannot be irreparably damaged!
Better communications or frazzled by the sun?... IDK about you but i'm a white guy and dont do too well in the sun!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"don't say that the ionisphere cannot be irreparably damaged!"
I wouldn't. It's spelled "ionosphere"...
And no, we've been doing experiments with ionospheric heaters for decades, and there's been exactly ZERO evidence of any permanent effect either way. The ionosphere is an inherently chaotic place. Any change made to it is gone again in a couple of minutes at most. That's what we've seen every single experiment. That's what the evidence shows.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 dont tell me how to spell when you have made a power of grammatical errors yourself.. Bullshit! Proove it! Publish your findings if you are so sure of yourself!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"Grammatical errors"
English isn't my first language, so I wouldn't mind you pointing out my errors. It would help me improve. My correction was meant in the same spirit.
"Publish your findings"
As if you wouldn't just go "Bah! It's a cover-up for the real thing - I know what's REALLY going on!".
Your mind is made up.
If it is really open, then go find the issues of Radio Science, Nature and Journal of Geophysical Research in which the results of the experiments are published.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 you have nothing to back that up either LAzyjones! And over at Radio Science there is fuck all there either to back up what you are saying.. and if there was the public cannot access that kind of information...
You are going to an awful lot of trouble to justify what HAARP is doing. You cannot say for sure that the Ionisphere hasnt been already severely damaged.. If you are so in tune with the state of that layer... perhaps you can tell us how you measure its integrity?
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
Oh, and one more thing:
"rational people"?
You are not rational. You're a conspiracy theorist.
The two are mutually exclusive.
You believe without evidence. That is not rational.
You also speak of things you do not understand. You really do not have a clue about HAARP, the ionosphere, or the freemasons, or the use of eyes in symbols throughout history.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 You see this is what the mass media and the actual conspirators do... They start whispering campaigns, dirty tricks.. and label people conspiracy theorists or crazy for speaking out and asking questions. People who have lived around haarp even know its well dodgy.. I may not be an astro physicist.. But it doesnt take one to see that this has military potential, and being run by the military means that at some point there will be a weaponised version , meaning lots of testing.
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"label people conspiracy theorists or crazy for speaking out and asking questions"
You are NOT "asking questions" you are making baseless claims.
Just as any other conspiracy theorist.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 This is all based on facts Lazy! people wouldn't be concerned otherwise! The facts are as follows.. 1. they beam high energy waves into the ionisphere 2. Its run by the military/funded by the military/owned by the military (the scientists are working for the military) 3.they can remove parts of it pushing it further up and super heating it to form a plasma
I mean the facts speak volumes and that isn't even the half!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
"Those facts speak volumes"
Only if you want them to. You're trying to make them say things they do not support. You're trying to jump to a predetermined conclusion.
Let me hammer it in one more time.
If HAARP could damage the ionosphere, then the sun, doing the same thing - HUNDREDS of times more effectively, on a daily basis, would have completely ruined it billions of years ago.
I suppose you think EISCAT is also dangerous?
HAARP isn't the only ionospheric heater you know.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 I have no pre determined conclusions and i'm an avid fan of science and discovery and everything and practically anything which will advance us as a whole, but this research does not appear good for mankind as a whole. EISCAT, they say is radar but its basically haarp aswell but doesnt look the same or as advanced. and they cant be 100% sure what they are doing is not destroying the ionisphere.. Its like the bomb they didnt know how far the chain reaction would go.
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
I suppose with america doing this research it was only a matter of time before russia and china and the rest of the nuclear powers wanted a slice... No one wants to be left behind in a potentil arms race..
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
There is no arms race, as you haven't established that it's a weapon. Nor can you.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
Enough.
Every baseless claim you've made has been refuted.
Time to do something productive instead.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 You've refuted nothing with evidence... except prooved that you will say anything to justify what they are doing at haarp.. You sound like you are either an employee or an admirer of their work.
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
@MrLuvaluva67
I don't need to provide evidence. I'm not here to convince you. Merely to show that YOU have no evidence for the claims you make.
All you have is crazy speculation and uncritically absorbed nonsense from conspiracy theory sites.
LazyJones1 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 Yeah i love how you said "the sun does hundreds of times 'more damage' to the ionosphere than HAARP does" .. HAARP is supposedly merely observing the ionosphere, why are they causing any damage at all? You can't say the sun is in more wrong for carrying out it's natural purpose than man for interfering with natural processes where it is not needed.
totallykrazy 8 months ago
@totallykrazy
"why are they causing any damage at all?"
They aren't.
That's not to say they don't have an effect, just that the effect is literally negligible.
It's quite comparable to dipping a normal immersion heater into The Great Lakes for a minute on a stormy day, and then measuring the effect. With precise equipment, you can see it - before it completely vanishes minutes later.
HAARP heats a small part of the ionosphere, then measures the effect, which vanishes completely in minutes.
LazyJones1 8 months ago
@LazyJones1 Do you think it would be the same if the damage was done from inside of the ionosphere ?
Dongdot123 7 months ago
@Dongdot123
It doesn't matter.
The sun's radiation spands a large spectrum with some of it penetrating all the way to the lowest part of the ionosphere (some even through it), some of it only reaching the top of the ionosphere, and HAARP has the same capabilities, to a smaller degree.
The effect happens IN the ionosphere, the origin of the radiation has no relevance to the effect.
LazyJones1 7 months ago
@LazyJones1 Ok, so you're saying a sun does more damage than the HAARP, but what if at its highest activity, sun, emits a powerful energy which this i-barely-knew-HAARP disrupts the ionosphere, and let's say create some sort of hole in ionosphere. The HAARP itself being the catalyst, not the source. Do you think this is possible in any way ?
Dongdot123 7 months ago
@Dongdot123
I don't see how.
A hairdryer can't act as a catalyst for a hurricane either.
LazyJones1 7 months ago
@LazyJones1 Butterfly effect ? :p
Dongdot123 7 months ago
@Dongdot123
I'll take the smiley as an indication that you aren't being serious. Good.
The butterfly effect refers to chaos theory, which states that a small change in the starting scenario can lead to a large effect in the end scenario.
But it does not state that you can control in any way the nature of the effect. On the contrary.
For the catalyst argument, A would have to lead to B.
But in chaos theory, A can lead to any letter in the alphabet, and we don't stand a chance figuring out which
LazyJones1 7 months ago
[continued] ... it would be, or how strong the effect (if any!) will be.
It might as well put a damper on the tornado as increase it. Or it might lead to a colony of bees deciding to move into your attic, instead of your neighbours. Or to a rain cloud holding off raining until it has gone out over sea instead of dumping it on land.
Like I said - any letter in the alphabet.
LazyJones1 7 months ago
@LazyJones1 actually you should get an education.
ChrisW12208 5 months ago
@ChrisW12208
What are you trying to say without actually saying it?
I do have an education, and I understand and employ critical thinking. That is how I know this is pure junk.
LazyJones1 5 months ago
@LazyJones1 yeah pure junk the whole HAARP project they invested billions in. The chemtrails they spray in the skies. Its all connected and costs an awful lot of money. They can create natural disasters and play god without the general public suspecting a thing. Especially the braindead mind controlled sheeple. The ones who dont employ critical thinking even though all the signs are there.
ChrisW12208 5 months ago
@ChrisW12208
"yeah pure junk the whole HAARP project they invested billions in."
What they actually DO at HAARP is not junk - I never claimed that.
But what conspiracy theorists claim that HAARP is doing, IS junk.
... And it's a few hundred million, not "billions".
"The chemtrails they spray in the skies."
They?
Chemtrails have nothing to do with HAARP, it's a completely unrelated conspiracy theory, that is also all but junk.
LazyJones1 5 months ago
@ChrisW12208
"They can create natural disasters"
No where near enough energy to do anything like it.
The effect of HAARP is so small it takes special equipment to detect.
There is no explanation for how HAARP could do something like this, it's just a silly belief some people decide to have despite better judgement, common sense and reason.
"play god"
You should have elaborated on that one. It's an empty claim. It means nothing.
It's just an ionospheric heater.
LazyJones1 5 months ago
ronald Reagan will be rubbing his hands down in hell watching his star wars project take off!
MrLuvaluva67 10 months ago
video was uploaded on 04.03.2009?????
before the haiti earthquake?!
desjaraah 10 months ago
screwball
kellyjplante71 10 months ago
the moment I heard "mind control" was the moment I knew this video was full of shit.
slinx101 10 months ago
@slinx101 Say's the Mind Controlled One !
godnnat 10 months ago
americans are illegal combattens of this world.
streeser1 1 year ago
aaarrrr that sounds nice ) :
lwvok 1 year ago
Verily, I saith unto thee, Atheists DON'T want the world to end.... the Religious Nuts do...
YourGodsAreImaginary 1 year ago
its not a death ray. its a force field
zachse22 1 year ago
someone has quite the imagination now don't they.
ROCKETMAN7806 1 year ago
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rebelliouseoagj 1 year ago
Haiti is a dirty smelly country with dirty smelly people.
TheJcp1234 1 year ago
guys, you have really nothing else to do that imagine stupidity like that? HAARP is a receptor... but for you the truth is somewhere else, and you like make brainstrorming of conspiracy and all this kind of thing... just stupid.
docsharp00 1 year ago
sick people.
conconciti 1 year ago
hmmmm do u hink its the reason for the floods in Pakistan???
wavokiaado 1 year ago
@wavokiaado
No, that would be the heavy monsoon rains they got.
HAARP has nothing to do with it. HAARP is a purely scientific facility doing ionospheric research. If anyone wants to claim otherwise, I'd be happy to take a look at their EVIDENCE!
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 You are either all knowing, or a real lazy jones .. gues what i choose to listen to the video not you..
punkpropaganda 1 year ago
@punkpropaganda
And what were your reasons for believing the video?
What can you list as credibility on it's behalf?
LazyJones1 1 year ago
Look at the HAARP site and look at on the day of the quake. proof! poof!!
surefoot4x4x4 1 year ago
@surefoot4x4x4
No, there is nothing interesting on the instrument logs on the day of the quake.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
Here is a theory ... North american union wants to take over the rest of the world that doesnt use the amero - use our money , pay our taxes .. No ? We'll natural disaster your brown ass's untill you pay up bitches ....
gqprophet2010 1 year ago
@gqprophet2010
Yes, and no one has figured it out, except for a few lunatics on youtube?
That's likely...
LazyJones1 1 year ago 12
@LazyJones1 think about it who would figure it out that could do something the only thing that you can do is give mass awarness and it so happens that in this day and age you have to use youtube and also the people who would do something is the military and there the ones controling this again people with power do terrible things look at history it constantly repeats itself
dragon2999 1 year ago
@dragon2999
The only thing "you" can do is give mass awareness?
Awareness about what?
You have no evidence. You have no arguments. You have nothing.
Forget it nutjob, you're a laugh and nothing else.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 lol nutjob a laugh and nothing else im glad to see that your to stupid to even think about the possiblilty thats whats wrong with people but whatever ill take my open mind and continue liveing life well your doing whatever you want to do you selfish bastard lol call me a nutjob look up sudo science and carl sagan who is makeing all the new technology certainly not you or the people
dragon2999 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 kk i see where your comming from i didnt give you any proof so im sorry for that but you might want to look into it yourself
dragon2999 1 year ago
@dragon2999
I have looked into it myself.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
HARRP has and will play a big part to events leading up to 2012.
TheDraconiankiller 1 year ago
@TheDraconiankiller
2012 is cancelled. Didn't you hear?
It was just the end of a mayan calendar. Nothing more.
LazyJones1 1 year ago 21
@LazyJones1 Who cancelled it Obama?..lol
TheDraconiankiller 1 year ago
@TheDraconiankiller
Well, it depends on the reasons you had for claiming it was coming in the first place.
Historians shot it down first, as the mayans don't even have the concept of an end of days in their culture. That's a judeo-christian kinda thing.
It was also shot down by Nasa, if you ever thought the sun's 11-year cycle was going to produce a killer peak in solar intensity. That peak is now predicted to be a lot lower than the last, and has been postponed to 2013-2014.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 it might have been the end of a calenda but its what the people who pull the strings do next that will make it into somthing or nothing 2012 might just be a normal year but i garentee by 2020 or well before all hell is going to break loose on earth wars ,food shortages,, water shortages ect it doesn't look good for us
RvGJK 1 year ago
@RvGJK
pessimist ;)
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@RvGJK That's how I see it.
snow1snow1 1 year ago
@RvGJK Believe it or not, you may think I'm talking CRAZY here, but wars, food shortage and water shortage have existed since the dawn of civilization. (OMFWTF I DONT BELIEVE IT!)
Third World.
Emothicaol 11 months ago
@Emothicaol am not getting into it with somone who is clearly asleep!!!!!!! come back when you wake up and trust me it will be SOON WEATHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO WAKE UP YOU WILL!!!!!!!
RvGJK 11 months ago
@RvGJK Fail.
Emothicaol 11 months ago
@Emothicaol dumbass england cunt gtfo.........sheeep
gotthkid2 10 months ago
@gotthkid2 Hm? At least try and put a good insult together.
Emothicaol 10 months ago
@Emothicaol hm atleast do some research..........
gotthkid2 10 months ago
@Emothicaol emo was just a passing trend and now it's pretty much gone.........just like hipppy came and went from the 60's.............and just like greaser came and went from the 50's. ECT it has passed.
gotthkid2 10 months ago
@Emothicaol and btw YOU fail.
you cant be emo and goth at once
gotthkid2 10 months ago
@gotthkid2 I suggest YOU do some research. Altering the ionosphere does not affect plate tectonics and cause earthquakes. Do you really think our technology is advanced enough to do that, nevermind pinpoint the exact location where the earthquake will occur?
I never said I'm Emo and Goth at once, I said people assume I'm one or the other depending on my ever-alternating fashion sense. I love the Emo cultue and the Gothic culture.
Emothicaol 10 months ago
@Emothicaol first of all do research on haarp and YES it can happen
second emo is dead lol get over it.....move on with your life and emo isent a culture......it's a style of music.........and finally your a fucking teenager or you wouldent still be into emo.......goth is another story its a complete lifestyle for all ages.
gotthkid2 10 months ago
@gotthkid2 So playing about with particles in the atmosphere can make giant rocks the size of continents over 20km below the surface move around? Oh Jesus, I should not have fed the troll. I should not have fed the troll. I should not have fed the troll.
Also Emo IS a culture that developed from the music, just like Goth. And to see Emo is dead is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. #LOL
Emothicaol 10 months ago
@LazyJones1 Canceled. Lol. That's funny. "Due to the increasing US deficit, 2012 has been canceled"
jbarum 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 Actually even THAT'S not quite accurate. No one knows if the Mayan calendar even ends on 12/12/12. It's just a theory.
headfirstintoawall 1 year ago
@headfirstintoawall
Oh, aren't you clever.
Yes indeed, everything is interpretation. But we ARE pretty sure that we've figured out the Mayan Long Count. And it does end/reset on December 21st 2012. - But that is all that happens.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
Tesla rules
nickjuggalo89 1 year ago
@nickjuggalo89
Yes, Tesla was a pretty remarkable geniuos and an important scientist.
He was also a bit of a charlatan, a showman, and suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder.
He made a lot of outrageous claims that he never proved.
Let's not dwell on his mistakes and his bad sides, though.
We should celebrate his successes, his results, and what he proved - ignoring the preposterous claims he never documented.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 Let me correct you LazyJones... The guys in HAARP facilities also proceeded tests in ELF (Extremely Low Frequencies)..
Please check : HAARP Norway Spiral Swirl (i guess its the third video)
I think you'll find this amusing...it portraits exactly what happened in Norway last year...(btw sorry for the moron thing..kinda freaked out)
fredtzu 1 year ago
@fredtzu
Yes, HAARP also did some research on the ELF waves, that can naturally form due to heating the ionosphere. These are natural and completely harmless ELF waves due to their weak strength. They are no more powerful, than the ones also caused by lightning strikes.
As for the Norway spiral, that has nothing to do with HAARP or ionospheric heating of any kind.
We have all the evidence we need, that it was indeed the failed russian Bulava missile.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@fredtzu
The video you refer to is an animation showing the ELF waves.
Such radio waves - as with all electromagnetic radiation - are invisible...
They have zero visible effect on the air, and cannot be seen directly nor indirectly. They did not cause the Norway spiral.
Furthermore, the EISCAT facility in Norway is a much weaker ionospheric heater, doesn't have the capabilities that HAARP does, and is in no way affiliated with HAARP, or the people responsible for HAARP.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
HAARP VLF is used to communicate with submarines near the surface (for example using the transmitter DHO38), while ELF is used for deeply-submerged vessels....The strength of the signal received can vary with a Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance. These cause the ionization level to drop in the atmosphere. The result of this is that the VLF signal will reflect down to Earth with greater strength.
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 1 year ago
2:15; he's right. comsec is IMPORTANT in military ops. Watch Jesse Ventura's episode on HAARP. An average person can use a cd player to "hear" music in their brain that is essentially beamed into the mind with ELF waves; the same energy waves HAARP and the human brain uses.
thisguyoverhere1 1 year ago
@thisguyoverhere1
Don't believe anything you see on those Jesse Ventura ENTERTAINMENT programs. They twist the truth, manipulate the facts and outright lie to make the program entertaining. It's NOT a documentary or investigative journalism. It's 100% pure entertainment, and NOT meant to be taken anymore serious than what he said when he was a professional wrestler.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
omfg you people BLAME everything on the fucking goverment, now even "natural disasters"..... how does the fucking goverment mimic natural disasters.... listen to yourselves you sound so stupid. oh yeah and the goverment wouldnt make an earthquake happen in there own country wouldnt they you know go for the real threat.... korea with enough nukes to blow up the earth 40 times? noooo they wouldnt do that theyd do it to places they dont matter.. of course...retard.
kngpyr0 1 year ago
@kngpyr0 "how does the fucking goverment mimic natural disasters.... "
You underestimate the desire for power, dear friend.
free2flycari 1 year ago
@free2flycari
Desire for power is one thing (an exaggerated accusation).
Actual power is another. They don't have it.
The power needed to create these things doesn't exist.
It's pure science fiction.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 Just because you aren't getting a piece of the pie doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You think they're going to share their technology with the peasants of the world? HAH!
free2flycari 1 year ago
@free2flycari
So, because the technology doesn't appear to exist, you just go ahead and assume that it is simply kept hidden?
What a nice, convenient way to maintain your preposterous argument.
LazyJones1 1 year ago
@LazyJones1 Oh, the technology DOES appear to exist, it just isn't mainstream yet. There are people who've made engines run on water, but they were silenced, for example. We could be using free energy, but of course that doesn't work to the advantage of our slave masters. They like to keep us begging.
free2flycari 1 year ago