10/16/08: Scientologists Try to Befriend NYC Anons

[309temporary]

WOW! good job with editing -- you guys RAWK -- being able to match up their "oh, I'm not trying to frighten you!" against "You SHOULD be afraid!" also, that red-haired lady is the A to the Q: What happens to you after 1 too many times on the purification rundown?:(

[smethious]

Get these scientologis prickst the fuck out of our city!!!!!!!

[smethious]

man just shove a sock in that stupid womens mouth already!!

[Hellekali]

Never forgive. Never Forget.

They seem to remember that fact. Nice try,though...they would make an interesting chat. I mean,talking about how batshit insane they are,and how Xenu will come around and drink a latte with them. :P

[CandyCaneCrucifix]

She cant even remember, Shows how brain washed she is!

We are anonymous'! <3

[AvantAnon]

Wow..... XD

Good video.

[niceee50]

Fuckin brainwashed scientologist sorry motherfuckers.......still she is a fat bitch :p

[AnonymousElektron]

You people are pathetic and don't know the first thing about Scientology.

[wikkii]

epic win

[ash16robpatt]

hmmm my dads religion is scientology so im not against it but i like tom cruise he is in scientology too hes kind of cuttee (- =

[Mazumune]

Saw straight through her in the first 10 secs.. what a transparent tit! Haha

[jooosha]

Haha good work! Fuck these scientologist pricks.

[haythereis]

Google "Scientology scam" to find information on this evil cult.

[kmarzfg]

Hahaahaha what an idiot lady

[yoda2244]

" im not a hacker, im an average person " AND SO AM I, i support anon all the way, whens the next worldwide protest?

[AnonNation]

December 13th, I do believe, my good man.

[cadefulp]

Shit, theres never any protests where i live. Thats beceause i never saw any in my state ( Quebec )

[AnonDividedByZero]

PROTIP: If you want to make peace with someone, it helps to acknowledge all the shit you've pulled, promise you'll never do it again, and ask what it would take to make amends.

Until you do that, you're full of shit and EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

[Anonakitty]

disseminator88008 , speaking of google , why not google the name John Duignan and hear his views on co$ after he escaped having served 22 years in Sea Org.

[chuckbeattyo]

The handler is Gary, former SO member and professed field auditor. Can't remember Gary's last name, he was the signator of many FO's early on.

[AnonNation]

Gary Epstien, yes.

[NotSoOldHippy]

LOL! Insane Scientology criminals.

[Redshift21]

A lot of info can be gained about a person from their trash, now I'm not saying that some Anon should find out where these scilons live and then steal their trash in the middle of the night or something, I'm just pointing out an interesting tool used by PI's the world over, ever wondered how some newspapers know when a celeb is pregnant way be fore an official announcement is published by said celeb ?.... it couldn't be because they saw the home test kit in their trash could it ?

[Ogsonofgroo]

An old story, something about dogs covered in guts and chicken feathers wagging their tails, came to mind. "Never smile at a crocodile...." (Peter Pan)

As to the Carmicheal comment, hm, that 'not so veiled' threat/warning has been repeated before by other 'handlers' showing their massive comm-skilz. As most people know its only the term 'Fair Game' that was stopped, not the actual policy, its a basic Co$ tenet, a snake that sheds its skin is still a snake.

My 0.02$ fer da morning :)

[exfalsoquodlibet]

John Carmichael doesn't blame you for what? I didn't understand that.

[disseminator88008]

he probably meant he doesnt blame you for being opposed to scientology, he would think like you too if all he'd seen of it was negative stories, rumours and lies from SP's... matter of fact so would i.

but we dont.

[AnonNation]

You should watch the John Carmichael video on my YouTube page, disseminator8808. The full context of Carmichael's statement is that he doesn't blame us for refusing to tell him our names, phone numbers, and addresses.

I wonder why though. Because Fair Game Policy has never actually been canceled, perhaps?

[disseminator88008]

i see.

the policy wasnt cancelled just modified greatly back in the 70's to prevent things like snow white happening again.

i have helped to tag and id you guys in my city.

there is nothing wrong with knowing your enemy. youre clearly our enemy, so whats the harm in knowing who you are? maybe its easier for a person wearing a mask to harass us but take away the masks and your numbers will go down. down to the basic few that were there long before there was any "anonymous".

[AnonNation]

There is nothing wrong with knowing your enemy, except for the fact that what you are doing (tracking down people) is illegal and makes you guys look much, much less like a legitimate religion. You think the Catholic Church would hire a private investigator to track down and intimidate Richard Dawkins?

[disseminator88008]

theres nothing illegal about photographing people in the street

[AnonNation]

You didn't answer my question. Do you think the Catholic Church would hire a private investigator to track down and intimidate Richard Dawkins? How do you think your actions are harming the Co$'s legitimacy as a religion?

And there is something illegal about aiding and abetting a criminal organization that has no authority to attain personal information through your means. If the Co$ likes to insist that it's working with law enforcement so much, why can't it leave a job like yours to them?

[disseminator88008]

private investigators- yes i think any major group would do that if they felt that an attack was coming in order to gain intelligence on the matter, what you think catholics just sit around praying all day? look into the history and structure of any major religion buddy.

our philosophy is not affected by our policies, these are two different subjects. our religious status shall remain.

[AnonNation]

Yes, I do think Catholics just sit around praying all day. Roman Catholicism is a religion of peace and tolerance; they wouldn't track down a renowned atheist just because he publicly states his belief that there is no God.

Your religious status is brought into serious question when you start acting like a police force where you have no sovereignty.

[disseminator88008]

haha, the catholic church is one of the most politically and legally active of all religions. your view of religion is very very different to mine. have you ever heard of legal gag orders placed (by the catholic churches legal team) on victims of sexual assault by catholic priests? it demonstrates quite simply that you are wrong on this issue. (not that i support their defense of pedophiles)

[AnonNation]

Source, please? This is unfamiliar to me, and I'd like to know where you read/heard this.

[disseminator88008]

i just googled catholic church gag order.

did you even try?

[AnonNation]

You don't have to be rude. I could easily google "Catholicism peaceful religion" and say you're a liar, but I'm not going to do that; that's why I've given you the benefit of the doubt and granted you an opportunity to tell me exactly what information you're looking at.

[disseminator88008]

i think i do have to be rude actually. you people google everything else and pretend to be experts on the subject.

[AnonNation]

"Sanity is the ability to tell differences. The better one can tell differences, no matter how minute, and know the width of those differences, the more rational he is. The less one can tell differences and the closer one comes to thinking in identities (A=A), the less sane he is."

-L. Ron Hubbard, 'Dianetics,' Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc, 2007, pg. 405

Now what was that you were saying? "You people"? Sounds like you're speaking in generalities.

[disseminator88008]

is that all you got?

[AnonNation]

It's all I need to shoot down your BAAAAAW comment about us "googling everything." You know, you can become a real aberree with that kind of thinking, disseminator. Better check back with your auditor and clear those vicious engrams you have about some guy out there who uses the Google search engine. You don't want to fall of Hubbard's bridge now, do you?

[disseminator88008]

do you mean overts?

whats wrong with saying that? googling can give a quick summary of available info on any subject. if youre going to debate psychiatry etc at least google it first. i had a guy tell me teen screen wasnt real yesterday.

like at least google it "before" you accuse me of bull shitting. it takes 2 seconds.

googling is all the research you ever did on scientology so why stop there?

[AnonNation]

Googling is all the research I ever did on Scientology? And you say this after reading a quote from Hubbard, complete with a full citation straight from the latest publication of Dianetics? It's obvious that I physically possess Scientology books, and have access information outside of Google.

How are we supposed to communicate properly and respect ARC when you clearly won't acknowledge everything I say?

[disseminator88008]

im sure google is the original source of your "opposition" to scientology. possessing the books just proves that you bought them for around $400 to attempt to "know your enemy". you wouldnt have bought them recently for any other reason.

you just used a quote to argue. do you actually think that quote is sane or were you just using it to attempt to corner me with my own philosophy?

i'll communicate with more ARC when you stop being one of the tiny % of society against my religion.

[AnonNation]

You are making baseless assumptions. You don't know me or what role Scientology has played in my life; therefore, you have no legitimacy to tout any of what you've said as "fact."

Did you know that there are ways of obtaining Dianetics without forking money over to Church of Scientology (used book stores, libraries)?

And, yes, I did use the quote to argue. That's what you do in civil discourse--argue. And given your ineffective response, it appears you are indeed cornered. Anonymous wins.

[disseminator88008]

anonymous will never win.

there is no need for me to argue on the subject of scientology. you want it or you dont. simple as that.

but dont try to take away my choice to study it.

[AnonNation]

You study Scientology and claim to be a Scientologist, but you pick and choose which parts LRH's writings to practice and which ones to ignore. You continue to attempt to stereotype Anons even when LRH said that it is highly engramic behavior, and your hostile, elitist attitude is making ARC impossible. You are a very, very poor Scilon student.

Even toryluvslrh1 could communicate with me peacefully on the subject of Scientology.

[disseminator88008]

i dont know which writings ive been ignoring.

tell me, did tory... get anywhere with her peaceful debates? or are you still trying to destroy her entire religion?

[AnonNation]

Well, seeing that you continually try pin some stereotype you perceive on me (you've done it once again), I'd have to say you've been ignoring the very passage I've quoted. Do you happen to disagree with parts of LRH's writings and find a need to overlook the differences of individuals and make generalizations?

Did I ever say I want to destroy anyone's "entire religion"? I've read Dianetics myself, and even I can find stuff LRH said that's agreeable (i.e. stereotyping makes you look foolish).

[disseminator88008]

oh poor you.

tell me are you anonymous as your id suggests or not.

yes= enemy

no= liar

other explanation=liar

if you want to be seen as an individual dont wear a swastika and cry hail hitler

[AnonNation]

Again, what did LRH say about stereotyping? You are being hostile, irrational, deviating away from LRH, and not applying the proper tech. Interesting enough, one of the reasons why I protest Scientology is because of squirrels not using the tech properly.

Just because I am Anonymous doesn't mean I protest Scientology for the sole purpose of destroying an individual's religious beliefs. If you want to argue that I am indeed trying to do that, you gotta have an argument beyond stereotyping.

[disseminator88008]

go on then. whats your angle and how is it different to everyone else ive spoken to?

[AnonNation]

I see you ask me "...how is it different..."

You're asking me to make a generalization of Anonymous (just one that differs from the ones you made) after I've told you multiple times already that it's foolish to do that.

Anons come from different backgrounds and creeds and protest Scientology for different reasons. No two Anons are exactly alike.

[disseminator88008]

oh, my eyes are now opened.

thank you for helping me become able to see you as an individual...

who is a member of a group....

who is our enemy and wants to destroy us.

maybe your story is indeed yours, but 99% of people i speak to just refer me off to "rumours" and "other peoples" stories making the whole process a little tiresome... and predictable. I'm sorry for assuming you are the same.

are you an ex staff member then?

freezoner?

psychiatrist we've had jailed?

friend of a friend?

[AnonDividedByZero]

even I can find stuff LRH said that's agreeable"

I like "Communication is the universal solvent", myself.

[disseminator88008]

through what means do you imagine we identify people from photos?

do you have any proof that a crime has been committed?

we have a right to know who is attacking us, we have done so for the last 50 years, why should the brand name "anonymous" be exempt from our self defensive investigations? we are just finding out who is attacking us? what could be wrong with that?

[AnonNation]

You have no right to know who is publicly criticizing you. Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution's right to privacy trumps your this nonsense insistence of yours, for starters. Secondly, even if it did come to a point where you had to identify people for security purposes, you would rely on law enforcement to investigate this, as I've already stated. Why isn't your organization relying on law enforcement to investigate this for you?

[disseminator88008]

is it illegal to take a photo in a public place?

[NevvySyndrome]

Niiiice try Scilons, but Anonymous does not forgive/forget. :)

[ObsceneAntichrist]

I think its pretty sad that they try to resort in "befriending." Who knows all the shit they will do behind your back if you do befriend them. Nice one NYC.

[ObsceneAntichrist]

Was that in Bryant Park?

[AnonNation]

Yes, this was at Bryant Park.

[TrooperCX]

your nice guy techniques have 1 flaw.... SCIENTOLOGISTS LULZLUZLZLUZLZ

you can see them smiling thru their teeth

[NevvySyndrome]

I haven't seen Jenny (the lady with the umbrella) smile in all my time in NYC. I think she sold it for bus fare.

[TrooperCX]

she looks EFFED up in the first video

[Gothichell]

No matter how nice they are, we will remember the past.

[gnssengr]

They tried to play nice with us in LA and got in trouble for it. Look at the "Love at BIG Blue" video on my channel. "gnssengr".

At the next raid Tim was running from us ! We saw him in Upland and he ran off as soon as he saw us.

It's important to show videos such as this one. Do get friendly with them and post. That will cause the to be Sec Checked. They'll eventually be sick of the stuff and blow.

Good job Boston. You're high on my list of Top Anons.

[AnonNation]

This video was actually filmed in New York City, before the protest outside the opening of Katie Holmes' Broadway play.

A handful of Anons from Boston came down for the night to provide backup. They are indeed fucking awesome people though.

[mollie2810]

When they try to be nice they look even more retarded. O.o You can easily see that they are not familiar with being nice.

[Keekeeleekee]

scientologists fail so hard.

[anonymous950077]

lulz silly scifags^_^

[laserofjustice]

So, are they now SP's for talking to anons?!

I think their new "friendliness" could be interesting- you could ask some really key questions, and, play them recordings of L Con talking like the nutjob he was!

[AnonNation]

We played both L. Ron's Assist lecture (though whether or not it meant much to them is questionable; at least one of the four Scientologists who showed up was above OT III) and Mark Bunker's interview with Jason Beghe. I should be uploading video of the Scilons feigning interest in the Beghe interview soon.

[BKF666]

Man this proves that Scientology increases your memory wait....... No Scientology does not and this Scilon proves this. I hope she gets a refund on the memory thing not working as promised by Scientology.

[dasboatbabe]

Silly Scilons! Tricks are for kids!

[dasboatbabe]

Desperate fools those Scilons. Do they really think "child pyschology" would work? Oh wait.... I thought they didn't believe in that stuff?

Pretty poor memories for having OT powers huh?

They look more and more foolish each time. You can't make this sh*t up.

[AnonNation]

Seriously now, you can't make this shit up. This was certainly the most surprising route they could have taken, and it's also the stupidest.

If now all they want to do is pay us visits to say "Hi" and make nice chit-chat, then everything the Church of Scientology has done to portray us as terrorists and a danger to society is now null and void.

[oddemperor]

They haven't changed a bit. I wonder if they understand that most people have a little known power of perception, that they can tell if they are being snowed or not.

Sadly; most Scilons don't have this power, or they (ehm...) wouldn't be Scilons.

[Wpganon]

Silly scilons, attempting to erase their past with fronting ... kinda reminds me a lot of their front groups trying to mask their abuses.

[LordCeptimos]

HA HA HA HA! silly scilons....

we arent your friends.

[AnonRanGER01]

Wow, a change in tactics... I didn't think the $cilons were capable of that. But maybe this falls under "may be lied to". I guess they're afraid of their image due to the DOZENS of videos where they're being total asshats.

Epic Fail.

[iaxillulz]

WTF!! Oh like Anonymous is stoopid nao or what?? GTFO!!!

[quentinkrisp]

This is just as creepy as the last time, or rather especially in view of what happened last time.

You can imagine the scilons actually planning this idiotic weirdness.

Strange thought process they have. Most self-destructive.

BTW, scilon woman looks like she can fit a whole wagon wheel in her gob.

[zambimaru]

Nice try $cientology. We know how you guys work.

[soulinite]

Hail Xenu!