So, you don't take Penn State seriously? That's okay, nobody ever does, and then they pay big time for it. Actually, with Sean Lee out, I predict a 10-2 or 9-3 season now and a visit to the Citrus Bowl. Looks like we won't get that rematch afterall.
Expect Illinois to make it to the MNC if they don't drop a game against a Big Ten opponent.
Well i think Joe and Penn St are a Class Act. But the MNC , NO . It will be the Gators year.
Simply to much awesome talent and great Coaches.Now the young D has some experience plus some guys like Dunlap jumping in that will scare the Dawgs to death along with the SEC
If Georgia does drop a game or two like you said it just might be a rematch of that epic 1983 Sugar Bowl, but in a lesser bowl. IMO, the Citrus Bowl is either the least prestigious major bowl or the most prestigious minor bowl. Or maybe both.
Who do you see winning the Big 10? I predict Illinois will finish at the top, with Ohio State and Penn State duking it out for second place.
It is tough to tell because Ohio State gets so overrated and I can't understand why. We saw them have a tough time with Ohio. The sad thing is they can beat USC and instead of the obvious logic being that USC was overranked, they'd instead praise OSU for being a great team which would be wrong. If they beast USC, it will just show USC wasn't as good as they have been hyped also. IF USC barely beats OSU, then they have problems. Illinois looks good and I do like Penn St, but again, weak conf.
Teams match up differently, so it's always hard to tell. But after Ohio State struggled with Ohio I think that they're going to end up going 8-4 losing to USC, Penn State, Illinois, and Wisconsin. I think Ohio State is going to probably go to the Outback Bowl where they might have a chance at getting that monkey off their back. Now Penn State, after their monster performance against Oregon State (believe me, it could have been much uglier), I think they're the best team in the nation.
Yeh, well I see now why I hear the Big 10 being called a "glorified MAC" nowadays. Ohio State has clearly dominated that conference and beats out weak non-conference opponents and gets into a championship game two years in a row and gets beat down like two dollar hookers. You can talk all you want about Penn State, Illinois and Wisconsin, but when they are getting beat down by OSU and OSU gets embarrassed in the big game, that makes that conference weak.
But then again, you could also make the case that the Big 12 is weak because Oklahoma was spanked by West Virginia last year. Also, don't forget in 2005, Penn State beat a good Ohio State team by more points than Texas did.
Making a statement that Penn State is the best team in the nation because of a win no matter how much over an already overrated Oregon State is so ridiculous. Should Florida who is already #4 make their case because they destroyed Hawaii? Come on now. Let Penn State beat a top 10 team before making a case they should even be in the TOP 10.
Yes, Oregon State is overrated, but Penn State didn't just beat them, they absolutely crushed them. But I agree, I want to see Penn State start beating some good teams, but at this point, I don't think that Penn State will have any trouble making good teams look like cupcakes. And I think Florida does have a little bit of a case if this Hawaii team is anything like last year's. Last year's team was overrated at #10, but no patsy either.
Well I think it is a jump to say that Penn State needs to start beating good teams but at this point you think they won't have trouble making a good team look like a cupcake. That's a huge jump. I mean, beating on lesser teams all day can be done, but when they run into a better team, that confidence will kill them. Florida had that happen against Ole Miss. That's a game Florida SHOULD HAVE won. They outrushed them and almost doubled their passing, but lost by a point. I like PSU though.
Well, you are right that overconfidence can kill a good team in the end. I believe that's what happened in 2005 against Michigan, Penn State came back for a wild fourth quarter after spotting Michigan a 10-0 lead. I'd say Illinois counts as a good team, despite their ranking. They gave Missouri all they could handle, and gave Penn State a good game. I pick Illinois to finish 2nd in the Big 10 behind Penn State (that's been my pick all along).
Trust me, I like Penn State and I truly despise Ohio State. If I could find a legitimate argument that puts Penn State over OSU, I'd do so in a heartbeat. I'd enjoy Penn State having a great year. Now THIS season, Penn State is doing well and I hope they continue to do so. I simply think it is too early to judge them as a top team at this point and they need to defeat some really good teams. We saw what USC did to Ohio St already. OSU is overrated.
I'm not sure who on the Big 10 schedule would be a huge challenge for Penn State. PSU beat Wisky last year in a 38-7 slaughter, Ohio State is overrated, Michigan is a joke this year, Illinois is probably the 2nd best team in the Big 10. Penn State has had trouble winning in the Horseshoe lately, so that'll have some impact this year. I expect a close, fun to watch game, but with PSU winning. Maybe PSU's best game will be their bowl game (hopefully the NC).
Yeh, but go look at the stats of that game. There were no large runs, so that wasnt inflated. I can't make it any more clear that you are simply arguing from a fan's point of view...OSU beat Penn State by 3 TDs and held them to 6 points...they were the better team last year. I can't believe you're still trying to argue that really.
Most rushes from both teams were 1-3 yards, but Antonio Pittman broke a 20 yard run early in the 3rd, and the couple sacks on Anthony Morelli should be accounted for, since they're counted as rushing attempts and yards, so that pretty much erased Tony Hunt's one pretty good run.
Now last year's game was completely different from the '06 game, last year's game was over when they made it 34-10.
Considering the weakness of the Big 10 now with OSU getting exposed two years by the SEC and losing big to USC, Penn State would have to go undefeated to even be considered for a NC game.
I think Penn State has a good chance of going undefeated and to the NC game. I'd really hate to see another 1994 happen all over again, where they go to the Rose Bowl, smack a probable #6 ranked team up and down the field all game, and still be stuck at #2 or #3.
No, not after seeing OSU lose two straight to SEC teams...how can we take ANY team from that conference seriously? And no, Michigan beating Florida in a bowl game doesn't show that point. Florida wasn't a top SEC team last year and much younger. Michigan didn't play up to their potential until the end of the season. If anyone from that conference had to play SEC teams all year, they'd win 4 or 5 at most.
Penn State is not Ohio State. Incase you didn't know, Penn State was an independant who often played SEC teams back in the day like Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, etc, and WON. Ohio State is not the entire Big Ten, that's the point people forget.
Florida was expected to trample Michigan if you remember, and Tennessee was expected to run roughshod over Penn State, also Arkansas was expected to wail on Wisconsin. How did those turn out?
But to respond directly to your statement, Penn State is NOT the Penn State team it was of yesteryear and just like Michigan and Ohio State, they get ranked higher in the beginning of the season that they should be. Mostly nowadays, Penn State and Illinois are ranked higher to booster OSU when they beat those schools to make them look better than they are.
Well UF is 2-0 against Penn State and one of those games was 1998. Ga is 0-1 (1982). LSU 0-1 (1973). Bama 8-5 (lost in 90, won in 87, 88, 89). Aub is 1-1 (won in 2003, lost in 96), Tenn 2-3. Miss and Miss St never played. SCar 0-2 (1940-1941), Vanderbilit 1-0 (1957), Kent 2-3 (lost in 99) I mean, not really good except against lower end SEC teams really. But not a winning record.
Gee, let's see, Florida wasn't a top SEC team last year and were supporting injuries all season long on a team that already had mostly just freshmen and sophomores. Tennesee isn't even ranked this season, so that should tell you THEY weren't a dominate force in the SEC. I won't even discuss Arkansas because that's a joke. How about those teams playing top ranked SEC teams and then come back and ask me how THAT turns out...I recall OSU being 0-9 against SEC teams including mostly bowl games.
Tennessee was #17 in 2006, the year I'm talking about, and don't tell me they weren't good, they almost beat Florida. And Arkansas was #10 that year. And actually, Ohio State is 7-11-2 against the SEC, 0-9 in bowl games. Last year, Florida had a good record in the SEC, not great, but good.
If Penn State, Michigan, Iowa and teams like that played SEC teams on a regular basis, they would do good. But I think they'd usually have about 3 losses in conference.
See I'm glad to see that you made an intelligent statement. Right, they'd lose on average about 3 games (I think more, but at least 3). This would mean they'd NEVER see a National Championship which has been my point. USC would do the same and wouldn't benefit by playing outside the SEC. THe SEC beats on one another and takes each other out of NC games.
Comparing the fact that Penn St beat Tenn by 10 in the Outback Bowl to when Florida played them is apples and oranges. Tenn & UF are rivals first of all and the game was played IN TENN, not a neutral site like when Penn St played them. Penn St lost to OSU that year 28-6 and UF destroyed OSU that year 41-14. I wouldn't say that was even close.
Actually the game that Penn State lost to Ohio State 28-6 is one that Penn State should have won. PSU led 3-0 at the half, OSU only led 7-3 at the end of the third, Troy Smith threw a Hail Mary that was almost intercepted, but deflected into a TD to make it 14-3, then PSU led a strong drive, false start at the 1 (settled for FG) to make it 14-6. Then in the last two minutes Penn State threw two pick sixes to make it 28-6. Statistically PSU dominated in most ways, but mistakes doomed them.
See, when I see ridiculous comments like this, it really removes the chance that you ascertain some knowledge of college football and only looks like you are boasting for your team regardless of how good or bad they are. WHen you get beat 28-6, there is no way in hell you can convince me they "should have won". They ONLY SCORED 6, so the offense wasn't moving and they gave up 22 more! So what? They led 3-0 at the half. Football is NOT PLAYED in a half. Let's check the "dominance".
I actually watched the game. 28-6 or not, they did not blow us off the field. The reason that those two picks were touchdowns late in the game was because, at least in the case of the second one, they were a lot closer to the end zone. Penn State failed to score a touchdown only because of a stupid false start late in that drive. PSU actually ran for more than 142 yards btw, sacks should be figured into that. PSU also controlled the clock. Watch a highlight video to see what I mean.
I'm not saying its a blowout, but still, regardless, 28-6 is a pretty handy win. That's THREE TD's. That's giving up just SIX points. THat's a pretty good win. I don't think that's a game you can turn right around and say "we should have won it" by ANY stretch of the imagination. I like PSU myself, but it is very early to take them from where they were last year and come out and say they are the best team in the country. They have to play real opponents still.
That game for me was a hair-puller. Penn State was only down 14-6 (could have been 14-10 if not for a false start at the 1) with 2 minutes left, driving down the field, and then POOF! All gone. I was worried after that that PSU was going to give away every tight game. Luckily they didn't do that against Tennessee. And they didn't throw a bunch of INTs against Michigan either, so that allowed PSU to stay in it the whole game.
Doing the research, I can show you that you were wrong...statistically Ohio State beat them also. Smith threw for 115 yards while Morellie of PSU threw for 106. Both sucked, but OSU was better. PSU ran for 142 yards and 3.6 avg. OSU ran for 138 and a 4.8 aveage, over a yard more per run. It is clear to me that OSU statistically beat them also. Come on now. Research something before you type stuff like that.
Yeh, Morelli threw 3 ints, but those are part of the game. Buy Troy Smith threw TWO, so you can't say Penn State should have won that game. They failed to score a TD and OSU's defense ruled them also. They outpassed and outran Penn State statistically, so there's nothing there that indicates they should have won that game or come close.
Ohio State players themselves also said that this was not the easy win you're making it out to be. Penn State should have won it, but stupid mistakes (like the INTS) ARE part of the game, and did decide it. Also, you forgot that PSU had 16 first downs to OSU's 14, controlled the clock for 35 minutes, and converted a fourth down. Maybe it's the fan in me saying we should have won, but you can't argue that the game is a one-sided affair, either.
But they got outplayed, so you can't say Penn St "should have" won that game. Stat-wise, it wasn't that close really and the points you argued about turnovers happened to THEM too. Having 2 more first downs means nothing. If teams make two plays and score a TD, they only have ONE first down out of that. Is that different that a team can get 7 or 8 first downs in THEIR drive? That's a meaningless stat. They had more yards and they outscored PSU - they deserved to win. PSU should NOT have.
For the first 45 minutes of the game, neither team could move the ball against the other's defense. Ohio State didn't exactly quick-strike score. Most of the game was running plays, the only big passing play was Troy Smith trying to avoid a sack. Statistically it was even, but watching the game, you could see what I mean by Penn State killed themselves with dumb mistakes such as the INTs in the last 2 minutes and false start at the 1 yard line. Could have been very different game.
That happens with a lot of games. The original game plan doesn't work, but that's why teams play all four quarters. The team that figures out the other and eventually takes that lead thus becomes the better team. I'll stick to that though. PSU only scored 6 points in that game and the other team managed several TDs. Overall they played the better game & it is tough for me to accept someone saying "PSU should have won" under those circumstances. They didn't score & OSU did.
Which really proves that the better team doesn't always win, just the most deserving. Penn State practically gave the game away with mistakes, so that's why they didn't win. A year later, Penn State had 6.0 yards per rush to Ohio State's 4.2, but Ohio State won big. Remember, yards per carry average can be inflated when someone breaks a huge run. That's why I take YPC avg with a grain of salt. I think the keys are passing yards, rushing yards, turnovers, and posession time.
Argh...that doesn't prove that. If it is a one point or one score game, yeh, maybe the better team doesn't win...but that Ohio State game you keep referring to was a 3 TD plus win. That pretty much makes Ohio State the better team that year. That's like arguing that getting beat 14-41 in a championship game doesn't make you the worse team because your star player got injured in the first quarter as OSU tried to say.
I think the key is that two of their four touchdowns were offensive, and the two defensive happened in the last couple minutes of the game. Now that 2007 NC game, that was a total beatdown. The difference is, Ohio State was out by halftime, where PSU was in it until Morelli panicked. I was one of the few that liked Morelli, but that was one problem I had with him, he always panicked in a critical situation and made desperate throws that were really bad misfired.
No offense, but I think it IS the fan inside of you and OSU outplayed them. Controlling the clock is a meaningless stat also. If a team scores quicker, they spend less time with possession which doesn't mean anything. That one fourth down conversion doesn't either. I think Penn St is better than OSU this year though, but OSU had a higher average on the run (4.8 to 3.6 is a big difference) and outpassed them by a little. It wasn't one-sided, but I woudln't argue that PSU "should have won".
I still think the fact that PSU was able to get more running yards total against them is telling. Even if it's less yards per carry. The game was mostly punt, punt, punt, punt, the 28-6 makes it look like OSU scored much easier than they did.
Anyways, about this year, I think Penn State is definately better than Ohio State. I predict PSU will finally win in the Horseshoe for the first time since 1978 (came oh so close in 2002, 2004, and 2006, though).
See, that's not a fair assessment either. Getting more running yards when you're running for less than a yard per carry isn't a telling stat at all. That simply means Penn St ran the ball more and was less effective.
I mean OSU dominated the conference that year and was undefeated and Florida destroyed them like they were nothing. So that's tough to try to compare one game where Penn St beat Tenn by just 10 points and UF played them IN TENNESSEE in a rivalry game, not to mention that it proves how tough the SEC team is that they play tough games every week like that.
In 2006, Ohio State struggled quite a few times, but Penn State's young quarterback and some luck saved them, and luck saved them from a disaster against Illinois. They also got lucky against Michigan. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that the best team doesn't always win, but the one who is most deserving (sometimes luck plays a hand in that). For example, LSU vs Kentucky, LSU should have pinned their ears back, but Kentucky made enough big plays to survive against a much better team.
The idea that the Big Ten belongs in I-AA and that the SEC is the third conference of the NFL is some bullshit myth that came about after Ohio State (who shouldn't have won the Big 10 anyway, but got lucky in THREE GAMES) got blown out in 2006, and lost in 2007. Do you really think that Vandy, Ole Miss, and Kentucky would regularly beat Penn State, Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio State during the regular season? If you do, you're delusional at best.
Do you really think that Vandy, Ole Miss, and Kentucky would regularly beat Penn State, Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio State during the regular season? No, but these would be the three wins you'd pick up in the SEC. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn...they'd all beat those teams on a regular basis, yes.
There's no reason to exaggerate. Nobody said the SEC was an NFL conference or that the BIG 10 is AA conference. But Big 10 teams ARE overrated EVERY YEAR for no real reason from the get go.
Actually, people have made those claims. They've said that the Big 10 should drop to I-AA "where they can all lose to top teams like Appalachian State and James Madison", and that the SEC should be part of the NFL.
I'll use Ohio State as an example. The only teams this year that Ohio State MIGHT lose to in the SEC are Georgia, LSU, and possibly Florida. Now Penn State this year is a different story. PSU actually looks good so far (did you see how they trashed Oregon State?)
We get tired of strong teams in the SEC playing one another and giving each other two losses and then seeing a team like OSU or USC go through cheesy schedules and get beat by the ONLY top 10 team they play and walk into a National Championship game. USUALLY, it happens to TWO other conferences and the SEC gets assed out on the deal. You made MY point also - beating weaker SEC teams doesn't mean you dominated the SEC (IE USC talking garbage about beating 6-7 Auburn and Arkansas).
I don't think there's a monster talent gap between the Big 10 and SEC, but I will agree that there are more good teams in the SEC. The Big 10 has only 6 what you could call good teams, PSU, OSU, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Illinois, while there are only a few SEC cupcakes. Even though you could argue for overrated if one team struggles with a weak schedule, but what if they kick the living shit out of them, like Penn State in 1994? Penn State killed an Indiana led by Trent Green, for example.
I disagree. There IS a monster gap between the Big 10 and SEC. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Big 10 should be AA football or that the SEC is anything like the NFL (ridiculous comment altogether). But it is clear that the best from the Big 10 coudn't come close to the best from the SEC and when you consider that there's a slim gap between the top 4 or 5 SEC teams and that big of a gap between the Big 10's BEST and the SEC's best, logic says the Big 10 is well below the SEC.
The past few seasons FINALLY, two teams in weak conference didn't go undefeated and an SEC team was awared their just dues and played for a National Championship and proved to be the CLEAR CHAMPION both seasons. The real fight nowadays whether you like it or not is which SEC team gets to go to the NC. If everyone else had CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS or played better teams, it would be fair, but it isn't. We obviously NEED a playoff system which OSU and USC adamantly opposes. I wonder why?
your soooo fuckin lucky i wanna go to a gators game sooooo bad GOOO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!
crossman19 3 years ago
Penn State FUCKING BLOWS! Another Big Ten team that sucks
treydyer10 3 years ago
I'm thinking it'll be a showdown between Georgia and Penn State myself.
MVillani1985 4 years ago
I didn't know your Planet even watched College Ball . Wow how ya'll have improved
tencz57 3 years ago
So, you don't take Penn State seriously? That's okay, nobody ever does, and then they pay big time for it. Actually, with Sean Lee out, I predict a 10-2 or 9-3 season now and a visit to the Citrus Bowl. Looks like we won't get that rematch afterall.
Expect Illinois to make it to the MNC if they don't drop a game against a Big Ten opponent.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Well i think Joe and Penn St are a Class Act. But the MNC , NO . It will be the Gators year.
Simply to much awesome talent and great Coaches.Now the young D has some experience plus some guys like Dunlap jumping in that will scare the Dawgs to death along with the SEC
tencz57 3 years ago 2
If Georgia does drop a game or two like you said it just might be a rematch of that epic 1983 Sugar Bowl, but in a lesser bowl. IMO, the Citrus Bowl is either the least prestigious major bowl or the most prestigious minor bowl. Or maybe both.
Who do you see winning the Big 10? I predict Illinois will finish at the top, with Ohio State and Penn State duking it out for second place.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Mine and yours could get shocked . It may be time for "Roll Tide"(cough cough).
ILL could do it if the Zooker (whom i like)can keep the fire lit ! MI may be a big surprise with their new Coach !!! He's a keeper' .
In the end Fl Gators MNC . GA can lose 1 and still go BCS for the SEC .
tencz57 3 years ago
It is tough to tell because Ohio State gets so overrated and I can't understand why. We saw them have a tough time with Ohio. The sad thing is they can beat USC and instead of the obvious logic being that USC was overranked, they'd instead praise OSU for being a great team which would be wrong. If they beast USC, it will just show USC wasn't as good as they have been hyped also. IF USC barely beats OSU, then they have problems. Illinois looks good and I do like Penn St, but again, weak conf.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Teams match up differently, so it's always hard to tell. But after Ohio State struggled with Ohio I think that they're going to end up going 8-4 losing to USC, Penn State, Illinois, and Wisconsin. I think Ohio State is going to probably go to the Outback Bowl where they might have a chance at getting that monkey off their back. Now Penn State, after their monster performance against Oregon State (believe me, it could have been much uglier), I think they're the best team in the nation.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Yeh, well I see now why I hear the Big 10 being called a "glorified MAC" nowadays. Ohio State has clearly dominated that conference and beats out weak non-conference opponents and gets into a championship game two years in a row and gets beat down like two dollar hookers. You can talk all you want about Penn State, Illinois and Wisconsin, but when they are getting beat down by OSU and OSU gets embarrassed in the big game, that makes that conference weak.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
But then again, you could also make the case that the Big 12 is weak because Oklahoma was spanked by West Virginia last year. Also, don't forget in 2005, Penn State beat a good Ohio State team by more points than Texas did.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Making a statement that Penn State is the best team in the nation because of a win no matter how much over an already overrated Oregon State is so ridiculous. Should Florida who is already #4 make their case because they destroyed Hawaii? Come on now. Let Penn State beat a top 10 team before making a case they should even be in the TOP 10.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Yes, Oregon State is overrated, but Penn State didn't just beat them, they absolutely crushed them. But I agree, I want to see Penn State start beating some good teams, but at this point, I don't think that Penn State will have any trouble making good teams look like cupcakes. And I think Florida does have a little bit of a case if this Hawaii team is anything like last year's. Last year's team was overrated at #10, but no patsy either.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Well I think it is a jump to say that Penn State needs to start beating good teams but at this point you think they won't have trouble making a good team look like a cupcake. That's a huge jump. I mean, beating on lesser teams all day can be done, but when they run into a better team, that confidence will kill them. Florida had that happen against Ole Miss. That's a game Florida SHOULD HAVE won. They outrushed them and almost doubled their passing, but lost by a point. I like PSU though.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Well, you are right that overconfidence can kill a good team in the end. I believe that's what happened in 2005 against Michigan, Penn State came back for a wild fourth quarter after spotting Michigan a 10-0 lead. I'd say Illinois counts as a good team, despite their ranking. They gave Missouri all they could handle, and gave Penn State a good game. I pick Illinois to finish 2nd in the Big 10 behind Penn State (that's been my pick all along).
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Trust me, I like Penn State and I truly despise Ohio State. If I could find a legitimate argument that puts Penn State over OSU, I'd do so in a heartbeat. I'd enjoy Penn State having a great year. Now THIS season, Penn State is doing well and I hope they continue to do so. I simply think it is too early to judge them as a top team at this point and they need to defeat some really good teams. We saw what USC did to Ohio St already. OSU is overrated.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I'm not sure who on the Big 10 schedule would be a huge challenge for Penn State. PSU beat Wisky last year in a 38-7 slaughter, Ohio State is overrated, Michigan is a joke this year, Illinois is probably the 2nd best team in the Big 10. Penn State has had trouble winning in the Horseshoe lately, so that'll have some impact this year. I expect a close, fun to watch game, but with PSU winning. Maybe PSU's best game will be their bowl game (hopefully the NC).
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Yeh, but go look at the stats of that game. There were no large runs, so that wasnt inflated. I can't make it any more clear that you are simply arguing from a fan's point of view...OSU beat Penn State by 3 TDs and held them to 6 points...they were the better team last year. I can't believe you're still trying to argue that really.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Most rushes from both teams were 1-3 yards, but Antonio Pittman broke a 20 yard run early in the 3rd, and the couple sacks on Anthony Morelli should be accounted for, since they're counted as rushing attempts and yards, so that pretty much erased Tony Hunt's one pretty good run.
Now last year's game was completely different from the '06 game, last year's game was over when they made it 34-10.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Considering the weakness of the Big 10 now with OSU getting exposed two years by the SEC and losing big to USC, Penn State would have to go undefeated to even be considered for a NC game.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I think Penn State has a good chance of going undefeated and to the NC game. I'd really hate to see another 1994 happen all over again, where they go to the Rose Bowl, smack a probable #6 ranked team up and down the field all game, and still be stuck at #2 or #3.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
No, not after seeing OSU lose two straight to SEC teams...how can we take ANY team from that conference seriously? And no, Michigan beating Florida in a bowl game doesn't show that point. Florida wasn't a top SEC team last year and much younger. Michigan didn't play up to their potential until the end of the season. If anyone from that conference had to play SEC teams all year, they'd win 4 or 5 at most.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Penn State is not Ohio State. Incase you didn't know, Penn State was an independant who often played SEC teams back in the day like Alabama, LSU, Florida, Tennessee, etc, and WON. Ohio State is not the entire Big Ten, that's the point people forget.
Florida was expected to trample Michigan if you remember, and Tennessee was expected to run roughshod over Penn State, also Arkansas was expected to wail on Wisconsin. How did those turn out?
MVillani1985 3 years ago
But to respond directly to your statement, Penn State is NOT the Penn State team it was of yesteryear and just like Michigan and Ohio State, they get ranked higher in the beginning of the season that they should be. Mostly nowadays, Penn State and Illinois are ranked higher to booster OSU when they beat those schools to make them look better than they are.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I seem to remember Penn State having a good record against SEC teams, even in recent years.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Well UF is 2-0 against Penn State and one of those games was 1998. Ga is 0-1 (1982). LSU 0-1 (1973). Bama 8-5 (lost in 90, won in 87, 88, 89). Aub is 1-1 (won in 2003, lost in 96), Tenn 2-3. Miss and Miss St never played. SCar 0-2 (1940-1941), Vanderbilit 1-0 (1957), Kent 2-3 (lost in 99) I mean, not really good except against lower end SEC teams really. But not a winning record.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Gee, let's see, Florida wasn't a top SEC team last year and were supporting injuries all season long on a team that already had mostly just freshmen and sophomores. Tennesee isn't even ranked this season, so that should tell you THEY weren't a dominate force in the SEC. I won't even discuss Arkansas because that's a joke. How about those teams playing top ranked SEC teams and then come back and ask me how THAT turns out...I recall OSU being 0-9 against SEC teams including mostly bowl games.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Tennessee was #17 in 2006, the year I'm talking about, and don't tell me they weren't good, they almost beat Florida. And Arkansas was #10 that year. And actually, Ohio State is 7-11-2 against the SEC, 0-9 in bowl games. Last year, Florida had a good record in the SEC, not great, but good.
If Penn State, Michigan, Iowa and teams like that played SEC teams on a regular basis, they would do good. But I think they'd usually have about 3 losses in conference.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
See I'm glad to see that you made an intelligent statement. Right, they'd lose on average about 3 games (I think more, but at least 3). This would mean they'd NEVER see a National Championship which has been my point. USC would do the same and wouldn't benefit by playing outside the SEC. THe SEC beats on one another and takes each other out of NC games.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Comparing the fact that Penn St beat Tenn by 10 in the Outback Bowl to when Florida played them is apples and oranges. Tenn & UF are rivals first of all and the game was played IN TENN, not a neutral site like when Penn St played them. Penn St lost to OSU that year 28-6 and UF destroyed OSU that year 41-14. I wouldn't say that was even close.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Actually the game that Penn State lost to Ohio State 28-6 is one that Penn State should have won. PSU led 3-0 at the half, OSU only led 7-3 at the end of the third, Troy Smith threw a Hail Mary that was almost intercepted, but deflected into a TD to make it 14-3, then PSU led a strong drive, false start at the 1 (settled for FG) to make it 14-6. Then in the last two minutes Penn State threw two pick sixes to make it 28-6. Statistically PSU dominated in most ways, but mistakes doomed them.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
See, when I see ridiculous comments like this, it really removes the chance that you ascertain some knowledge of college football and only looks like you are boasting for your team regardless of how good or bad they are. WHen you get beat 28-6, there is no way in hell you can convince me they "should have won". They ONLY SCORED 6, so the offense wasn't moving and they gave up 22 more! So what? They led 3-0 at the half. Football is NOT PLAYED in a half. Let's check the "dominance".
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I actually watched the game. 28-6 or not, they did not blow us off the field. The reason that those two picks were touchdowns late in the game was because, at least in the case of the second one, they were a lot closer to the end zone. Penn State failed to score a touchdown only because of a stupid false start late in that drive. PSU actually ran for more than 142 yards btw, sacks should be figured into that. PSU also controlled the clock. Watch a highlight video to see what I mean.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
I'm not saying its a blowout, but still, regardless, 28-6 is a pretty handy win. That's THREE TD's. That's giving up just SIX points. THat's a pretty good win. I don't think that's a game you can turn right around and say "we should have won it" by ANY stretch of the imagination. I like PSU myself, but it is very early to take them from where they were last year and come out and say they are the best team in the country. They have to play real opponents still.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
That game for me was a hair-puller. Penn State was only down 14-6 (could have been 14-10 if not for a false start at the 1) with 2 minutes left, driving down the field, and then POOF! All gone. I was worried after that that PSU was going to give away every tight game. Luckily they didn't do that against Tennessee. And they didn't throw a bunch of INTs against Michigan either, so that allowed PSU to stay in it the whole game.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Doing the research, I can show you that you were wrong...statistically Ohio State beat them also. Smith threw for 115 yards while Morellie of PSU threw for 106. Both sucked, but OSU was better. PSU ran for 142 yards and 3.6 avg. OSU ran for 138 and a 4.8 aveage, over a yard more per run. It is clear to me that OSU statistically beat them also. Come on now. Research something before you type stuff like that.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Yeh, Morelli threw 3 ints, but those are part of the game. Buy Troy Smith threw TWO, so you can't say Penn State should have won that game. They failed to score a TD and OSU's defense ruled them also. They outpassed and outran Penn State statistically, so there's nothing there that indicates they should have won that game or come close.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Ohio State players themselves also said that this was not the easy win you're making it out to be. Penn State should have won it, but stupid mistakes (like the INTS) ARE part of the game, and did decide it. Also, you forgot that PSU had 16 first downs to OSU's 14, controlled the clock for 35 minutes, and converted a fourth down. Maybe it's the fan in me saying we should have won, but you can't argue that the game is a one-sided affair, either.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
But they got outplayed, so you can't say Penn St "should have" won that game. Stat-wise, it wasn't that close really and the points you argued about turnovers happened to THEM too. Having 2 more first downs means nothing. If teams make two plays and score a TD, they only have ONE first down out of that. Is that different that a team can get 7 or 8 first downs in THEIR drive? That's a meaningless stat. They had more yards and they outscored PSU - they deserved to win. PSU should NOT have.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
For the first 45 minutes of the game, neither team could move the ball against the other's defense. Ohio State didn't exactly quick-strike score. Most of the game was running plays, the only big passing play was Troy Smith trying to avoid a sack. Statistically it was even, but watching the game, you could see what I mean by Penn State killed themselves with dumb mistakes such as the INTs in the last 2 minutes and false start at the 1 yard line. Could have been very different game.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
That happens with a lot of games. The original game plan doesn't work, but that's why teams play all four quarters. The team that figures out the other and eventually takes that lead thus becomes the better team. I'll stick to that though. PSU only scored 6 points in that game and the other team managed several TDs. Overall they played the better game & it is tough for me to accept someone saying "PSU should have won" under those circumstances. They didn't score & OSU did.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Which really proves that the better team doesn't always win, just the most deserving. Penn State practically gave the game away with mistakes, so that's why they didn't win. A year later, Penn State had 6.0 yards per rush to Ohio State's 4.2, but Ohio State won big. Remember, yards per carry average can be inflated when someone breaks a huge run. That's why I take YPC avg with a grain of salt. I think the keys are passing yards, rushing yards, turnovers, and posession time.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Argh...that doesn't prove that. If it is a one point or one score game, yeh, maybe the better team doesn't win...but that Ohio State game you keep referring to was a 3 TD plus win. That pretty much makes Ohio State the better team that year. That's like arguing that getting beat 14-41 in a championship game doesn't make you the worse team because your star player got injured in the first quarter as OSU tried to say.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I think the key is that two of their four touchdowns were offensive, and the two defensive happened in the last couple minutes of the game. Now that 2007 NC game, that was a total beatdown. The difference is, Ohio State was out by halftime, where PSU was in it until Morelli panicked. I was one of the few that liked Morelli, but that was one problem I had with him, he always panicked in a critical situation and made desperate throws that were really bad misfired.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
No offense, but I think it IS the fan inside of you and OSU outplayed them. Controlling the clock is a meaningless stat also. If a team scores quicker, they spend less time with possession which doesn't mean anything. That one fourth down conversion doesn't either. I think Penn St is better than OSU this year though, but OSU had a higher average on the run (4.8 to 3.6 is a big difference) and outpassed them by a little. It wasn't one-sided, but I woudln't argue that PSU "should have won".
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I still think the fact that PSU was able to get more running yards total against them is telling. Even if it's less yards per carry. The game was mostly punt, punt, punt, punt, the 28-6 makes it look like OSU scored much easier than they did.
Anyways, about this year, I think Penn State is definately better than Ohio State. I predict PSU will finally win in the Horseshoe for the first time since 1978 (came oh so close in 2002, 2004, and 2006, though).
MVillani1985 3 years ago
See, that's not a fair assessment either. Getting more running yards when you're running for less than a yard per carry isn't a telling stat at all. That simply means Penn St ran the ball more and was less effective.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I mean OSU dominated the conference that year and was undefeated and Florida destroyed them like they were nothing. So that's tough to try to compare one game where Penn St beat Tenn by just 10 points and UF played them IN TENNESSEE in a rivalry game, not to mention that it proves how tough the SEC team is that they play tough games every week like that.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
In 2006, Ohio State struggled quite a few times, but Penn State's young quarterback and some luck saved them, and luck saved them from a disaster against Illinois. They also got lucky against Michigan. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that the best team doesn't always win, but the one who is most deserving (sometimes luck plays a hand in that). For example, LSU vs Kentucky, LSU should have pinned their ears back, but Kentucky made enough big plays to survive against a much better team.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
The idea that the Big Ten belongs in I-AA and that the SEC is the third conference of the NFL is some bullshit myth that came about after Ohio State (who shouldn't have won the Big 10 anyway, but got lucky in THREE GAMES) got blown out in 2006, and lost in 2007. Do you really think that Vandy, Ole Miss, and Kentucky would regularly beat Penn State, Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio State during the regular season? If you do, you're delusional at best.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
Do you really think that Vandy, Ole Miss, and Kentucky would regularly beat Penn State, Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio State during the regular season? No, but these would be the three wins you'd pick up in the SEC. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Auburn...they'd all beat those teams on a regular basis, yes.
There's no reason to exaggerate. Nobody said the SEC was an NFL conference or that the BIG 10 is AA conference. But Big 10 teams ARE overrated EVERY YEAR for no real reason from the get go.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
Actually, people have made those claims. They've said that the Big 10 should drop to I-AA "where they can all lose to top teams like Appalachian State and James Madison", and that the SEC should be part of the NFL.
I'll use Ohio State as an example. The only teams this year that Ohio State MIGHT lose to in the SEC are Georgia, LSU, and possibly Florida. Now Penn State this year is a different story. PSU actually looks good so far (did you see how they trashed Oregon State?)
MVillani1985 3 years ago
We get tired of strong teams in the SEC playing one another and giving each other two losses and then seeing a team like OSU or USC go through cheesy schedules and get beat by the ONLY top 10 team they play and walk into a National Championship game. USUALLY, it happens to TWO other conferences and the SEC gets assed out on the deal. You made MY point also - beating weaker SEC teams doesn't mean you dominated the SEC (IE USC talking garbage about beating 6-7 Auburn and Arkansas).
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
I don't think there's a monster talent gap between the Big 10 and SEC, but I will agree that there are more good teams in the SEC. The Big 10 has only 6 what you could call good teams, PSU, OSU, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Illinois, while there are only a few SEC cupcakes. Even though you could argue for overrated if one team struggles with a weak schedule, but what if they kick the living shit out of them, like Penn State in 1994? Penn State killed an Indiana led by Trent Green, for example.
MVillani1985 3 years ago
I disagree. There IS a monster gap between the Big 10 and SEC. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Big 10 should be AA football or that the SEC is anything like the NFL (ridiculous comment altogether). But it is clear that the best from the Big 10 coudn't come close to the best from the SEC and when you consider that there's a slim gap between the top 4 or 5 SEC teams and that big of a gap between the Big 10's BEST and the SEC's best, logic says the Big 10 is well below the SEC.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
The past few seasons FINALLY, two teams in weak conference didn't go undefeated and an SEC team was awared their just dues and played for a National Championship and proved to be the CLEAR CHAMPION both seasons. The real fight nowadays whether you like it or not is which SEC team gets to go to the NC. If everyone else had CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS or played better teams, it would be fair, but it isn't. We obviously NEED a playoff system which OSU and USC adamantly opposes. I wonder why?
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
That would be SAD to see Illinois in a NC game if they drop a game to a Big Ten opponent. That's a reincarnation of OSU.
floridapoolgod 3 years ago
FSU defenders didn't even WANT to hit Tebow once he got a head of steam going!
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