House GOP on Gitmo Closing: Run for Your Lives!

[LER77]

0:39 into vid. He said the prisoner at guantanamo abused the guards. LOL !!

The real issue is they want to keep their dirt hidden in another country.

[EMPERORMIKI]

They forgot to mention the 6 month free pass rape furlough that these detainees will be given upon their release to rape and impregnate American women without charge.

[duckmanx88]

wow you're an idiot.. please stop watching faux news

[FollowMyDamnedLaws]

Stop watching the Communist News Network. Do you think letting a bunch of terrorist into OUR country, the country that they HATE is a good idea? If so that you have a mental illness... most likely liberalism.

[FollowMyDamnedLaws]

And trust me, no matter how much security this prison has, terrorists have powerful friends. If they want it bad enough they can escape, and then he'll want to help his buddies.

[bapyou]

Republicans: "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

Except for the right wing nutcases who vote for you turds, no one is listening to your alarmist scare-tactics any longer. No one.

[Shittywaffles]

you know what, let them ALL go. I have a better chance of getting assaulted by police, robbed in broad daylight by an illegal immigrant gang, or even hit by lightning, than being the victim of a terrorist attack.

[Shittywaffles]

hmm. Theres a slight messup in this video, he says, " these people attacked us on 9-11, 3000 americans died." Was he talking about the CIA and NWO? I don't think any of them are in prison for doing that....

[TedinLasVegas]

You REALLY believe that?

Wow, some people never believe the truth no matter what.

[MeanieMuff]

Ali al-marri a terrorist was held in Charleston S.C. since 2003 and we didn't know the difference.

[ERAUPRCWA]

EXACTLY!!!!! Republicans are making such a big deal out of this. It's more of the "fear" spreading that they try to do. Also some if not most of the people at GITMO are alleged terrorist, most haven't been prosecuted yet... apparently GITMO didn't fall under the jurisdiction to grant constitutional rights to prisoners. Like I said Sirhan Sirhan is still locked up, most people don't know who he is... and people forget so..

[TheDuckofLaw]

I'd like trials. If the people are found guilty, we put them in jail. If they are innocent, then THEY ARE INNOCENT... why does anyone want someone locked up for being innocent?

[Shittywaffles]

Sirhan Sirhan shot Ronald Reagan.

[ERAUPRCWA]

you're joking right? Sirhan Sirhan shot Robert Kennedy... Reagan was shot by John Hinkly Jr.

[bigdsears]

put them all over in the senate, they'll fit in like a glove over there w/ all the weirdos... or over at AIG

[ERAUPRCWA]

I find it funny, they (republicans) talk as though the prisoners are going to be released in the streets of New York City. They're going to be in max. security prisons, when was the last time there was a prison break of a high risk prisoner, Sirhan Sirhan is still locked up, give me a break. Also, :27 where are they supposed to go?

[dsspike51]

Here's a suggestion, send them home! If they were guilty or if there was any evidence of guilt why havn' t they tried them! It appears the only crime they are guilty of is recklessness, they let themselves be caught!

[PhiloCentinel]

I'm ashamed that Pete King is my representative.

[MusaJames]

I have an idea. Let them stay in regular American Prisons. The inmates will love them. ;)

[gogosox82]

This Peter King guy asks like their going to be released in America. THEY WOULD BE BROUGHT HERE TO STAND TRIAL! They're not sightseeing, they're going to be charged and put on trial something the Bush administration failed to do in 8 years. Peter King, do you not want justice for what happened in THE CITY U REPRESENT or do u want to just keep them locked up forever like we're some militaristic dictatorship? I swear these republicans are clueless.

[gogosox82]

To the rep. from Florida,

WE HAVE DETAINED THESE PEOPLE. We are the ones who are presumably going to charge them with some kind of crime. It's not another county's responsibility to detain prisoners that WE CLAIM ARE TERRORISTS b/c that's been proven we haven't always done that. You wouldn't be saying that if it was a murderer who murdered one person would you? Or do you believe that a murder should be locked up forever and never given a trial, EVER?!? I hope you don't believe that

[maskedphrogg]

Peter King just admitted he does not believe Police Depts in his jurisdiction are competent to hold prisoners.

[Antoshik81]

"and seeing the TYPE of people that are there"

It's fair to say that republicans are just as racist as they ever were, it's time to send them back to alabama, freakin douchebags!

[IndiMusicLover]

Big fake titties that god didnt give you are so biblically corect.

Abstinence only works best...just ask Palin.

Jesus would own a gun, be pro torture and support the bombing of Iraq.

[rodzmen1]

Let them move in with Bush and Cheney! They should be their responsibility right? They made this bed. WTF?? You can't just arrest people and not charge them with anything. And then not take care of them after destroying their lives. Bush and Cheney are cowards and they should be put in jail.

[WKaliberr]

at this rate, Republicunts won't win the election for another 23 years

[randomwords7007]

Cowards. Have a blanket to cry into pansies.

[technicschic]

We didn't have the threat of domestic terrorism during WWII? I want the Representative who said that to PERSONALLY go to each and every person still alive who had to live in the internment camps and apologize to them and then cut them a check. I agree that we shouldn't have rounded up the Japanese and Germans, but I bet you that Representative won't apologize for that.

[lamouchemorte]

Wow I never knew the prisoners at Guantanamo were super-villains who could break out of prison! Maybe we should build an Arkham Asylum for these guys.

[ilike2burnthing]

The way THEY abuse the guards!? Fuck off!

[pbacker01]

According to Hoekstra, "In World War II, you did not have the threat of homegrown terrorism."

Typical RepublicNUT. Lies about history. I seem to remember that this country placed thousands of Japanese Americans in interment camps. Why??? The reason given at the time was the threat of TERRORISM / sabotage.

TRY again Hoekstra, only next time take the foot out of your mouth and your head out of your a**.

[durrutti]

Not to mention that there was a rather large community of nazi-symphatizers in America at that time. There was a nazi-movement and im sure the state was scared of them trying to overthrow the goverment and engage in violent activities. This guy dont know what he is talking about.

[carrierexchange]

GOP can't seem to agree with democrats on absolutely anything. I don't get it.

[appatel]

The guys who did 9/11 are dead along with our 3000. Did you indict those in gitmo? No. Then shut up. These scare tactic won't work any more.

[gthang91582]

How the prisoners abuse the guards? Man, if that's what you're concerned about, we're REALLY fucked. Because the prisons INSIDE the US with US citizens in it are WAY more fucked up than Guantanamo. That is if you're talking about prisoner-on-guard violence. 

FYI Neocons....almost all of these people have yet to be formally charged of anything. For all we know, most of them could be innocent. And those who have actually left proved to be exactly that--INNOCENT!

Stop the rhetoric! Wake up!

[gthang91582]

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen successfully negotiated the harboring of a known terrorist, Orlando Bosch. He was responsible for the bombing of a Cubana FLT 455 that killed 73 people. She got him a pardon from George Bush Sr.

This is the person talking about terrorism? This woman is horrid. The man she helped free helped kill 73 people. Oh! But he was anti-Castro, so that makes it ok. I forgot.

How fucked up. How sad and fucked up. Terrorism is terrorism. Plain and simple. 73 innocent - dead.

[rickamabob13]

So the U.S. can't keep bad guys in prison. How about:

Charles Mason, John Allen Mohammed 10, Joseph Paul Fraklin 20, Michael Swango 30, Richard Ramirez 15, and Omar Abel-Rahman(plotted to blow up NYC buildings). Numbers after names is how many they killed or suspected of killing.

Tell Barack Obama: No Dangerous Criminals In Our Country.

Paid For By The Committee To Send Dangerous Criminals Into Outer Space.

[atm94404]

These detainees, if they're guilty, aren't friggin mystical ninjas. We have regular, American prisoners who have EATEN their families. I think our prisons can safely hold the guy who couldn't light his shoe on fire.

[route99]

Isn't obvious where the Gitmo detainees should go? Release them in into W's new neighborhood, into a mansion right next to his new mansion in the Dallas suburbs.

That's right all-white Preston Hollow, Texas, you've got some new neighbors. Wonder if they'll have a house warming party for them?

[fpm229]

These lock-stepping Nazi morons are a prime argument for term limits on Congress. These windbags talk tough, but offer no viable solutions. I'm so sick of the politics of fear.

[fpm229]

WTF are these idiots talking about? Even my 14 year grandson knows that these people will be transferred to prisons. Do these morons actually think that we are stupid enough to believe that Obama will allow these guys to roam free in our neighborhoods? These morons need to grow up and face the fact that the politics of fear didnt scare me under Bush, and it damn sure wont scare me now. Where do the Republicans find these whining lock-stepping pussies?

[LikableDesi]

i think US has far worst prisoners then gitmo prisoners. Gitmo prisoners are basically child soldiers, US prisoners are career criminals...lol i think US can handle it

[CampHazzard]

In the middle of our communities? I wasn't aware I lived in a maximum security prison... oh wait, this is America, I'll be their soon enough...

[swimdude909]

The representatives make it sound like no Democrats have ever been to Guantanomo.

Still fear-mongering, don't realize that in this age of information it isn't going to win them any friends or support. I find it almost sad how they carry on without recognizing that they are digging their own graves.

[Cheshirecatmeow1]

What the heck. Why don't they just put them in Colorado where we put the unibomber/domestic terrorists.

[genghis6l99]

lol 6 years and they're still trying to sell this bullshit. they must think we're completely stoopid. well americans anyway. the rest of the world think the whole thing is a big nasty nazi joke

[DoctorMeh]

How about some shit on a stick? No? ... How about now? ..wait... Now? aww, common. How about a stick with shit on it?

[CptFilth]

Christ! they will be locked in prison! what do these fucktards think obama will do? give them a house and a job?

[keithrockerboblewis]

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

[Richardgwm]

FEAR - It is all that Republicans offer.

[burntonion05]

We got prisoners currently in US jails that are 100x worse than anything in Gitmo. These guys are morons.

[davis80smusic]

maybe Republicans are leading up to a "kill all the prisoners" approach to law enforcement, since that's the only way to really keep them away from our communities

[marniespeaks]

I wonder how they feel about you all bombing and murdering their wives and children?

[fishhead06]

Oh noes! They're going to be on trial in NYC and may blow up something while in police custody! The GOP takes stupidity to new and hitherto unknown levels.

[CarryANation]

I'd like to see Eric Cantor take a "protectionist stance" against his cronies in the financial terrorist networks currently attacking our country.

[zndprophet]

Eric Cantor is a robot.

[CarryANation]

Peter King is an evil man.

[wacman1389]

.....it's dangerous to have terrorists in walking distance of ground zero....even though they'll be escorted by armed guards....they'll use their cosmic mind powers to topple buildings!

[milkgodnl]

wacman,

.. oh no!! .. you don't mean .. they'll actually unleash .. the Cosmic Flying Monkeys!!! ..

[iamavet]

What was left out is the Democrats were saying the same thing in a committee meeting with Holder. "Not in our backyard". The Democrats also do not want them released in US. Ask Nancy Pelosi if she would take them. LOL.

However I would like them dropped off in Upper Michigan so we have something to hunt before deer season.

[kidstalkpolitics]

I voted Regan. I wonder what he'd think of the Grand Old Party today if he were alive? I know his first word would be... "Well"

[davis80smusic]

Reagan wept... :-(

[FinnHawk]

retarded fear mongerers!

[3star2nr]

"Those types of people" dont sugar coat it you mean Arabs.

You fucking racist prick

[ver506]

They will be in JAIL...c'mon people!!! You know who else is in jail, the BTK guy. Don't want him in my community either!!

[cpricejones]

as long as i dont see any of these senators in my neighborhood, i'm OK

[Shiftyeyes516]

Stop acting like a bunch of pussies - GOPman the fuck up - what are you afraid of - WE always knew you like to hide behind you guns and religion - now we know for sure - you guys are scared to death!

[Taino187]

U.S. jails have prisoners in them that have comitted CANNIBALISM killed and eaten victims, mass muderers, stalkers, rapists, serial killers, nutcases, paranoid skitzo's, cultists, ritual killers,racist scum, etc etc etc... right in your back yard and the GOP is trying to scare people with Gitmo detainee's????

Gimme a break! I for one am not scared of a rag tag bunch of no-bodies inprisoned in maximum security in my state, the GOP need to stop with the cowardice fear mongering its pathetic.

[TARPY2]

thank god for someone with a brain

[Taino187]

Such cowardice fear mongering talk from the GOP, have the GOP all been castrated... ???

I for one am not scared! I live in a blue state we love our guns and rights to defend ourselves, Close Gitmo (its a waste of money) and process these prisoners, I dont care if theyre in the mainlad U.S. in jail because they will "BE IN JAIL" maximum security at that!

And more importantly around where i live people are more heavily armed these days than any shackled Al Qaida/Taliban prisioner could be.

[jimwal2008]

Are these guys offering any alternative solutions? Thats still their job right?

[breastinspector2]

Where is the TPM on the house ruling where nearly every democrat voted on adding pedophiles to the hate crimes victim list, but not United States veterans? I joined because of the "Day in 100 Seconds" video.

[yay4tube]

10 seconds of google:

Pedophilia is not considered a "disability" under current federal law. Indeed, the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), specifically excludes pedophilia, thereby precluding protection for pedophiles from the hate crimes bill.

[breastinspector2]

You're telling me that if you're in any minority group then you're eligible to be a hate crime victim because you're not technicially disabled? Does that imply that the disabled are allowed to be hated? And pedophilia is something that is unanamously considered to be bad, and does this imply that it is a crime (hate crime) to hate the wrongdoers?

[yay4tube]

NO. I am telling you the exact opposite.

Only specific groups are protected:

the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act -- which defines as a crime acts of attempted violence "motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim."

You can look this stuff up, too.

[breastinspector2]

So is what your saying you found is that they're counting pedophilia as a sexual orientation?

[yay4tube]

NO.

Pedophilia is and never will be considered a sexual orientation.

What I am saying is that there is absolutely no protection for pedophiles in this law, and that Fox News (and anyone else who claims otherwise) is outright lying.

[yay4tube]

errr, "is not, and never will be".

[breastinspector2]

I hope you're right.

[yay4tube]

Please check it out for yourself if you feel so inclined. It's extraordinarily frustrating to hear things like this being repeated by media outlets, as they're obviously just lies meant to distract people from issues that actually matter.

There's still plenty for Rs and Ds to disagree about without resorting to "THIS LAW PROTECTS PEDOS". What's important, though, seems to be selling ad time, and not accurately informing viewers.

[tonycapricorny]

I'm not afraid. I'd much rather released detainees stay in the US, where we can keep an eye on them and where they are LEAST LIKELY to cause harm. If we ship them back to wherever, we're just making them someone else's problem. They are still our problem, especially now that we've incarcerated them for X years. We just won't be taking responsibility for the incarceration. No follow-up. Shortsightedness. Willful ignorance of potential blowback., &c. Classic American blunder. Cf. US prison system.

[ecwaufisxtreme]

After Palin PWNS Obambi and becomes POTUS, she will reopen GITMO and send all the terrorists back there. She will also UNLEASH the WRATH OF GOD HERSELF onto Al-Queda and the Taliban in the form of INVINCIBLE and INDESTRUCTIBLE WARRIORS OF GOD HERSELF onto them and imprison them to GITMO.

[PharaohNineD]

those poor abused guards.

[ehkinoh]

Rep. Peter King: "Having been to Guantanamo, and seeing the types of people that are there..."

What? Non-white? Arab? Blatant racist comment.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra: "Remember, these people successfully attacked us on 9/11."

So all detainees in Guantanamo are now considered to be accomplices of the 9/11 terrorist attacks??

I constantly hear people saying things like "We don't have enough evidence to try them, but we KNOW they did it..." IF YOU DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE PROOF!

[lloyd76oswald]

LMFAO abuse of the guards?

How did he say that without laughing?

[kelseywall]

Assholes.

[zndprophet]

If all these guys in Gitmo are so dangerous, and are definitely terrorists.....then why haven't we charged, or convicted them of anything?

The GOP are just a bunch of sick fucks who like the idea that some random muslims are getting their asses kicked everyday in Cuba.

[zndprophet]

What a bunch of FUCKING COWARDS.

Grow some balls GOP.

[hiriumi]

Fear mongers.

[hunterswine]

They will be in super-max lock down! Is the GOP still afraid of the uni-bomber or BTK??? I'm so tired of the republican fear machine!! These people will be in a super-max prison, SHUT UP! Shut up and focus on some real problems. Republicans constantly act like children. It's quite sad.

[nekedemus]

You broke it, fix it or you own it.

[biggerflexible]

These speakers bring shame to America. We abuse people mentally and physically and we're shocked to hear they acting crazy lololololol I'm I taking crazy pills?

[zeroepyon]

So being within walking distance from a landmark automatically turn you into a massive explosive? What's the point of that statement?

[bombonyou]

Republicans, apparently, have zero faith in the justice system, the Federal prison system, Homeland Security, or the rule of law. Why do they hate America so much?

[masticina]

How cute the same "be fearfull, these enemies are crafty, these ones are dangerous[though we can't proof really why]

Yeah...nice thank you GOP you are morally and political bankrupt

[BandsImWorkingOn]

GOP = epic lulz.

now to explain: Japan attacked Pearl Harbor sucessfuly and the US government decided to put all Japanese people into camps (lol no Numenburgs for them) and the government had to suck it for that (and yes there was a threat of "home grown terrorism" then too, so GOP loses (the game)

[dogstar7]

WTF?

Are these Republicans saying that American Prisons are adequate for our inmate populations but are not sufficiently secure enough to hold Gitmo inmates? Don't Americans run and work in these prisons? Aren't they capable of doing their jobs?

Do Gitmo "enemy combatants" have super powers that make them uniquely uncontrollable and unable to keep in custody? Do they emit cosmic waves that threaten the surrounding communities?

Fear Mongers

[bittermoviecritic]

The GOP is a joke...

Please scare us more! :P

[videoguy604]

9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 ENOUGH! Yes it was a tragedy. So was Pearl Harbor, the Lusitania, and the Alamo (actually I'm not sure the Alamo was such a tragedy, it's too bad Mexico didn't keep Texas).

[1samothrace77]

that was funny

[WereAllApes]

Prisoners in Gitmo are no more dangerous than the criminals here in the united states.

[taoofmichael]

"The types of people..."

What? You mean Arabs? Or people with dark hair?

WTF do you mean "types of people?"

[taoofmichael]

If they were involved in 9/11 -- (and the only way to know that, is from evidence,)

THEY WOULDN'T BE GETTING OUT!!!

[oldhacks]

probably even less dangerous.

[GreenEnergy2112]

Blind opposition. Just to say they oppose, because they have no power.

[uru86]

Im sorry but serial killers are a greater threat than these people; secondly, they will be in maximum security prison, can anyone tell me how these people are going to threaten the safety of anyone? These people are going to be in solitary confinement, how are they going to a) plan a attack, b) have the material to make a bomb? Can they explain to me the connection between these people and the general population other than fearmongering bordering on complete unreasonableness?

[losarman]

Why have the Republicans rebrand as the GOP and why are the Democrats supoprting the change?

[TheIllegit]

You're a moron.

[losarman]

this from a guy who puts

"I've done my chores according to God's schedule

With coffee holding the wheel and nicotine workin the pedals"

 On his site (LOL)

[TheIllegit]

.. what about it? You're not an Aesop rock fan? OK... and?

You on the other hand asked why the Republicans are 'rebranding themselves' as the GOP when they've ALWAYS been the GOP, and it's been a label that never STOPPED being applied EVER at any point. You are a moron. Fact

[oldhacks]

we should just cut their heads off on pay per view tv/

[djdeath12]

and become the thing that your fighting against goo plan!

if that was a joke it wasn`t a good one and if it wasn`t i was a stupid idea

[plumbine]

It's offensive to have innocent prisoners near 'ground zero'? Would it be offensive if men dressed in Muslim garb went to visit 'ground zero'? This is bullshit, and highly unconstitutional. Don't play that card.

[nomercyrules10]

The phrase innocent until proven guilty sends chills down their spines.

[TheIllegit]

The phrase 'innocent until proven guilty' is a phrase that exists in American law and applies to American citizens. It's the thought of enemy combatants having or deserving the same rights as American citizens that can and does send chills down the spine of any American non-idiot. Thus, not you.

[chaossource]

If America is going to hold up Human Rights as inalienable, its only fair that we hold those rights up as everyones rights, not just Americans.

If America is going to punish someone under American Law, that person is entitled to American Rights granted by the same laws.

If America is going to imprison someone, it is only right that America imprisons them on American Soil.

Anything else is wrong.

[TheIllegit]

"If America is going to hold up Human Rights as inalienable, its only fair that we hold those rights up as everyones rights, not just Americans." - Yes, and habeas corpus or right to a trial are NOT amongst the inalienable rights referenced in the Declaration. Those are specialized, US citizens only rights, NOT inalienable human rights.

[chaossource]

Habeas Corpus is still part of the same law under which these guys are being held and tried. As such they deserve the same rights.

[TheIllegit]

No, as such they deserve and entitled to no such thing under our Constitution. Read it and realize it.

[chaossource]

If the US is holding them, they are held under US Constitutional law. If the US is not going to hold them under Constitutional law, the US is illegally holding them. If they are held under Constitutional law, they deserve all the rights it affords them.

[TheIllegit]

Holding enemy combatants 'under US Constitutional law' does not mean affording to enemy combatants the rights and priveleges that the law affords to citizens. Period. Thus holding them 'under US Constitutional law' includes holding the without trial and w/o habeas corpus.. this is in no way in conflict with the Constitution.

[chaossource]

Where exactly in the US Constitution does it say that the US has a double standard for citizens of foreign countries/enemy combatants?

[TheIllegit]

It doesn't state anything about non-citizens specifically, because the whole document is about how the citizens of the US will govern themselves. It would be nonsensical to include anything about non-citizens in order to differentiate them.

[chaossource]

If the Constitution does not discount non citizens, then its laws (and rights) apply to non citizens when the US holds them under Constitutional law.

This means that your assertions that they are given special and lesser treatment is wrong.

[TheIllegit]

No, some rights extend to resident non-citizens, but not all. For example, the right to vote is reserved for citizens. Foreign enemy combatants captured on foreign soil are neither resident non-citizens nor citizens, and have a special subset of rights narrower than either the aforementioned two groups. And amongst the rights they do not have are: right to habeas corpus, right to speedy trial

[chaossource]

And where exactly does the US Constitution outline these special subset of rights that exist only for non-citizens?

[Melpheos1er]

So it means that a citizen can kill a non-citizen and it wont be considered as a crime as non citizen are not mentionned in the Constitution. If you kill a non citizen then according to your understanding, no crime has been commited...

Do i understand you well ?

[TheIllegit]

As I said, non-citizens residents on US soil have certain rights, just not all the same rights as citizens. They have a right to life, for example, so yes you could still be tried for murder killing a non-citizen.

[agl125]

The Bill of Rights does not state that it only applies to U.S. citizens.

[Melpheos1er]

tell that to a republican who swears by the Constitution all the time but wipes his ass with it on any occasion.

[chaossource]

I've been telling it to Theillegit. Your description is quite accurate.

[mrbadguysan]

Actually, the 5th amendment states in part that, "No person shall...deprived of life, liberty, or property, without the due process of law."

It makes no mention of citizenship status.

[TheIllegit]

Yeah and 'Due process of law' does not include right to trial or habeas corpus for non citizens. And even if it were applicable to, say, illegal aliens on US soil (it's not), it's certainly not applicable to enemy combatants captured on foreign soil.

[mrbadguysan]

Actually "Due process of law" does include a right to trial and habeas corpus, as they can't be suspended by any American Institution, barring invasion or rebellion.

Illegal Aliens do have a right to a hearing, in order to establish their status. They are not held indefinitely without charge or trial.

There is no such thing as an enemy combatant. There is something known as an illegal combatant under the Geneva Conventions, and they are too entitled to a trial.

[TheIllegit]

Points:

1) Yes, it includes those things for American citizens

2) Agreed

3) Under non Us law which i gives a fuck about

[mrbadguysan]

1) There is no distinction made between citizens or otherwise in the law, only in your own tiny mind

2) I'm glad you see things my way

3) The Geneva Convention is US law, because the US is a signatory. It doesn't matter if you give a fuck about it or not.

[TheIllegit]

"1) There is no distinction made between citizens or otherwise in the law" - categorically false. Try again fail guy

[mrbadguysan]

""1) There is no distinction made between citizens or otherwise in the law" - categorically false. Try again fail guy"

Fractally wrong. The winner is me.

[agl125]

According the the Constitution, the Geneva Conventions (and any treaties that the US is a member of) are U.S. law. See article IV:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land..."

[agl125]

Correction: Whoops, I meant article VI, not IV. Goddamn Roman numerals.

[TheIllegit]

Yes, and we are giving them everything they are afforded per the Geneva Convention, just not the stuff that is reserved for US citizens i.e. habeas corpus, right to US trial w/ all related priveleges etc.

[mrbadguysan]

Wow, I'd hate to see you at your day job.

The Geneva Convention requires all signatories to hold trials for those held captive. No if, ands, or buts about it.

In addition, you're not supposed to torture your captives. Before you say it, it doesn't matter what you think torture is, it matters what the Red Cross thinks torture is. Guess what the Red Cross thinks.

[technicschic]

Theillegit - "due process of law" is a right to a hearing - period - that is what it means - and who is entitled to due process? ANY PERSON. As others have mentioned, habeas corpus does not say it only applies to citizens. In fact, in the 14th Amendment, there is a separation between ONLY those rights afforded to CITIZENS and those rights afforded to EVERY PERSON. Habeas Corpus does NOT have the word "citizen" in front of it, and in order to have due process you MUST have habeas corpus.

[technicschic]

Theillegit - actually, even illegal aliens and resident aliens (green card holders who are not yet citizens) are given hearings to determine whether they should be deported (5th and 14th Amendments - no PERSON shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without DUE PROCESS), and they are innocent until proven guilty. Why do you hate the Constitution?

[sachaput]

If they are in GitMo they must have done something!

Imagine those bastards resenting their guards!

Give me a break!

[quinn2469]

Such intellectual dishonesty. Yeah, Obama is just going to let them run loose on the streets. WTF?

[pelagic6]

Why the FUCK is this even an issue? Whats wrong with gitmo? WTF has happened to us? Sympathy for criminals that hate us? How stupid can we get, I hate that the rest of the world thinks of us as 'dumb' Americans, but I can see why.

[moulingalette]

They think we are dumb because of people like you. The people in Gitmo were never tried. For many of them, there is ZERO proof they did anything wrong.

So now that we have locked a bunch of people up with no proof, what do you think we should do? Do you really think it's right to leave them in prison if some of them didn't even do anything?

On the other hand, now that we have locked them up, that may have turned many of them into potential terrorists. I know I'd be pissed in their shoes.

[blackknight007]

Also, placing them in maximum security prisons isn't forcing these prisoners to be in our "communities" technically. They are behind bars if anything. They will get tried, and if prosecuted spend their time in jail. The culprits for the first WTC explosion in 1993 are still in a Colorado prison. The same goes for the Unabomber and Terry Nichols. Again, is there anything wrong for these "enemies of the state" to be quarantined to maximum security prisons with U.S. rapists and murders?

[TheIllegit]

"The people in Gitmo were never tried. For many of them, there is ZERO proof they did anything wrong." - and therefore what? Under what authority are enemy combatant, non-US-citizens deserving of right to trial or habeas corpus? Certainly not under the Constitution (ie. the law of the land). And for habeas corpus, only under the authority of recent judicial activism citing foreign law as a basis for interpretting American law. Completely illegitimately and unconstitutionally.

[RealCaptainAmerica]

TheIllegit: "Under what authority are enemy combatant, non-US-citizens deserving of right to trial or habeas corpus?"

Under what authority does the US have the right to confine foreigners indefinitely with no trials?? In fact, there are many laws that specifically say we CANNOT do that. What if some other country tried to arrest US citizens, in America, and put them in a foreign prison with no trial??

And Habeus Corpus isn't "foreign law", it's in the Constitution. And Constitutional.

[TheIllegit]

"And Habeus Corpus isn't "foreign law", it's in the Constitution. And Constitutional. " - yes, when applied to American citizens. When applied to foreign enemies it is unconstitutional.

"Under what authority does the US have the right to confine foreigners indefinitely with no trials?? " - God given authority for the nation to protect itself against foreign threats. cont.

[shalcall]

No where in the constitution does it say that the laws therein only apply to U.S. Citizens. It is the law of the land, to be distributed equally among all it's denizens. Citizenship only comes up in matters of voting and holding office.

[ERAUPRCWA]

someone has a brain... whenever I hear from people who try to support GITMO and torture and the US PATRIOT act it astounds me they call me close minded... we can't lock people up and not give then rights to defend themselves, nobody can tell me a conviction that has come form GITMO, which means a lot of them are being held for no reason. I wonder why some of them would be mad at the US?

[MeanieMuff]

Ali al-marri has been held in Charleston SC since 2003 and I never once feared for my safety.

[TheIllegit]

"What if some other country tried to arrest US citizens, in America, and put them in a foreign prison with no trial??" - Depends, if the US was subject to their law in their country and broke it we wouldn't do jack shit, as we shouldnt. Happens all the time. If they were being held unjustly, then I guess we might take action.. and if any country or government wants to claim these criminals as their own, they can come get them.

[TheIllegit]

*..if the US citizen was subject to...

[technicschic]

theillegit - I see you still haven't responded to the fact that habeas corpus does not only apply to US Citizens. And it isn't "judicial activism" - they were interpreting the Constitution and the laws - it is called judicial review, something that has been going on for over 200 years.

[ehkinoh]

Pelagic6, I saw you with some terrorists the other night at a bar and overheard you talking about some sort of "secret attack". I'm going to report this and have them lock you up in gitmo even though I have no proof.

Sound good to you?

[pelagic6]

yes

[ehkinoh]

then your ignorance astounds me...

[robinvan1983]

yeah these innocent detainees.... very horrifying to see them in America........ it is rather more horrifying to them to live in a country that put them in Gitmo

[moulingalette]

These people are a disgrace. There's no way they are going to be released in America even if we find they are not guilty.

Obama needs to address this to shut these morons up.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

I'm not so sure there is a way around it. Certain countries won't take them back, and unless sufficient evidence to convict exists that is exactly what the law will force Obama to do. they let out dangerous kiddie diddlers into communities with kids, why wouldn't they let out would be terrorists if evidence is insufficient to convict ? I agree these GOP folks are scoring political points here, but the facts remain. It was the dems in congress who took out Obama's relocation money

[moulingalette]

I don't know why Obama hasn't elaborated on this issue more. There's no way he is stupid enough to release them in America under any circumstances. It would pretty much be political suicide. I don't know why he hasn't let us know the details of his plan though.

[LeGioNoFZioN]

it is political suicide, but sometimes the law trumps politics. If they do close gitmo, he isn't going to have a choice in the matter. It's not like he consulted congress on how he was going to close gitmo, he just did it, but congress isn't stupid and they want to keep their cushy jobs so they refused his request for funds to relocate them. It's unfortunately a case of pure politics and the law.