Very nice- I appreciate- and rarely see- theatrical fighting this good. Good pace, good sense of drama, not as wildly ridiculous as the fighting of many groups. the shield work needs work but overall quite good. I do think that we are reaching a point in education about Historic Swordsmanship that it is time to start incorporating more Historic European Martial arts in theatrical sword-play and there were traces of that here and there but I don't know how intentional that was.
@TheSwordGeek I agree completely. I would only add that one of the reasons (not the only reason) more historical techniques aren't used in theatrical fencing is that they're dangerous. It'll take time to figure out which ones can be done safely, and how.
I have to say, actually i don't like stage combat. But this one has very good techniques, not always that unrealistic cutting-edge to cutting-edge bashing, it is very entertaining (the noise when the defeated one get stabbed X-D ) and has the merit (since peoples are influenced very much by movies) to show that european swords can look good and fast! And... The lady looks gorgeous! :-D
Have to say, its very good. My only niggle would be too much emphasis on cutting with the rapiers but that's if you were pretending to do a 'accurate' 17th cent fight from ms sources.
Apart from that its got energy, pace, drama and intent. The finishing blows are also well blocked (and shot). Thumbs up from me guys and gals, highly enjoyable.
@Marozzo1536 IMHO it may look nice for someone who wathes only hollywood films and knows nothing about true historical fencing. But for someone who is intrested in historical martial arts, it rally looks poor... believe me. YES I KNOW THAT "IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DRAMATIC AND THEATRICAL"...
A little bit flashy for my personal tastes, but looks much better than what you typically see in movies. I would hope that medieval sword fights look more like this in future movies.
Serious martial artists trying to revive the REAl art have enough trouble gaining redcognition and validity in the eyes of fighters trained in other arts, without nonsense like this compounding it. Please, stick to lightsabers and katanas.
@ManYtWol Stay out of movies mate if you're looking for your 'real' fights. General theatre & film audiences don't want to see 'real' fights. 'Real' fights are messy, confusing, are over far too quickly when done right, and have no story. Also, I'm pretty sure that practitioners of iado, kendo, kenjitsu, and other katana fighting styles would take offense at your intimation that it's not a 'real' fighting style.
I'm sorry, but I can't keep quiet about this. This kind of flashy, spinny, play fight, while obviously drawing upon the fechtbucher (and the legitimate efforts of serious martial artists to revive the historical European martial arts), makes a mockery of serious efforts. Stop it. You're making us look bad. We do not need a European-inspired Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
Dude, this is stage combat. It's not supposed to be a "real" martial art, it is supposed to be dramatic and theatrical, and in that respect, it is quite good.
Heck, well always have medieval weapons in TV and movies (and looking at the users page, it's obvious that this is meant for acting), so if they get a bit more realistic, that's just good, isn't it?
...though I wish they'd get a bit better.
It all looks ridiculous, but at least it's a bit more realistic then usual movie fighting.
While I'd like to see more realistic stuff (because I practice WMA and know what I'm looking at), that is an irrelevant consideration. That is, as a fight choreographer, your job is to provide what the director wants. A historic swordsman instructing stage fighters on theatrical fencing is just as ridiculous as stage fighters instructing historic fencers on WMA.
No. Stage fighting is supposed to look good, and be exciting.
As long as it conforms to those two criteria, more realism won't do any harm to it. It will however, give a more realistic image of fighting, and less complaints from people like us (though, admittedly, we are a small enough group, to safely be able to ignore)
A HEMA swordsman is perhaps insufficient, as the _only_ instructor, for stage fighting.
...but as a complement, I don't see why it would be anything but good.
In stage fighting, realism isn't an end unto itself. It *might* be desirable if the movie is supposed to be "realistic" (for example, as in the Japanese movie "The Seven Samurai"). However, in so many movies, realism isn't even a consideration, and it might even be counter-productive for some of the more fantastic ones. Don't get me wrong, I prefer to watch the realistic stuff, too--but the director drives the choreographer, not the other way around.
Greater realism, as long as it isn't allowed to go as far as to be counter-productive, to the movie (or show), is good, even if it, most often, is not specifically necessary.
I don't understand, why you keep trying to disagree with me.
The only thing you say, that could go against what I say, would be the argument that they shouldn't do anything, unless it is specifically necessary for the movie
This is better fight choreography then what you see in most movies these days. o_O
Long live Bob Anderson!
RelativelyBest 2 months ago
I like the smallsword fight at 1:00, and the longsword fight just before it looked good.
15milesintsnow 4 months ago
Good choreography, speed and execution! And I like the variety of weapons used.
JohnRaptor 5 months ago
Fun choreography guys! :)
Schattenninpo 5 months ago
nice work! Your team looks really professional
wilowhisp 8 months ago
A lot of greetings from the Czech Republic. Very nice report and great design. Good luck for the future.
mrjaja82 8 months ago
Very nice- I appreciate- and rarely see- theatrical fighting this good. Good pace, good sense of drama, not as wildly ridiculous as the fighting of many groups. the shield work needs work but overall quite good. I do think that we are reaching a point in education about Historic Swordsmanship that it is time to start incorporating more Historic European Martial arts in theatrical sword-play and there were traces of that here and there but I don't know how intentional that was.
TheSwordGeek 10 months ago 2
@TheSwordGeek I agree completely. I would only add that one of the reasons (not the only reason) more historical techniques aren't used in theatrical fencing is that they're dangerous. It'll take time to figure out which ones can be done safely, and how.
JohnRaptor 5 months ago
i love it !
aawadh 11 months ago
that looks dangerous
goliathlup1 1 year ago
I have to say, actually i don't like stage combat. But this one has very good techniques, not always that unrealistic cutting-edge to cutting-edge bashing, it is very entertaining (the noise when the defeated one get stabbed X-D ) and has the merit (since peoples are influenced very much by movies) to show that european swords can look good and fast! And... The lady looks gorgeous! :-D
Railriderchris 1 year ago
Have to say, its very good. My only niggle would be too much emphasis on cutting with the rapiers but that's if you were pretending to do a 'accurate' 17th cent fight from ms sources.
Apart from that its got energy, pace, drama and intent. The finishing blows are also well blocked (and shot). Thumbs up from me guys and gals, highly enjoyable.
GriffinHistorical 1 year ago 6
@GriffinHistorical Thanks very much!
riotactaction 1 year ago
@GriffinHistorical Thanks!
eospictures 1 year ago
It is really really very hot seem a beautiful girl kicking male asses... :)
lrmproducer 1 year ago 2
This is pretty cool. The sword and buckler & mass attack vs spear man are my favs.
TenchiBushi 1 year ago 2
Got to love it when a girl can fight.
seanamico 1 year ago 8
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@Marozzo1536 IMHO it may look nice for someone who wathes only hollywood films and knows nothing about true historical fencing. But for someone who is intrested in historical martial arts, it rally looks poor... believe me. YES I KNOW THAT "IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE DRAMATIC AND THEATRICAL"...
Javrid 1 year ago
Awesome!
talon115 1 year ago 2
excelent
heraldobiomar 1 year ago 2
So...how do I join?
OkiniiriMitarashi 1 year ago 2
Great choreography. This is beautiful stuff.
doragzed 1 year ago
Cool choreo! Of course it's show fighting, however be hounest: Do you really want real fights? Much, much too bloody för my taste! ;)
litschi1986 1 year ago
wow, I'd like to know that girl... :P
darkside696 1 year ago
this is way to theatrical to be historically acurate
Knightofthetruehorne 1 year ago
Nice and athletic, but there is still way too much edge on edge blade bashing for having been done by people who are obviously technically skilled.
Please, people, go to the next level and figure out how to incorporate non-static historical parries with longswords, sabres, and messer/one-handers.
Someone has got to do it.
Wizard0fAtlantis 2 years ago
great video!
Tabibuschua 2 years ago
1:25 hot.
roserpens 2 years ago
I love your video! ^_^
silentfist862 2 years ago
this is very fine work
lebarosky 2 years ago
LOL....nice...that looked very cool
1982patriot 2 years ago
0:39 Level 60 woot.
FightMarxism 2 years ago
A little bit flashy for my personal tastes, but looks much better than what you typically see in movies. I would hope that medieval sword fights look more like this in future movies.
leavemealone2006 2 years ago
these guy are great
I love to train and learn from them
where are they based?
eddiedaskull 2 years ago
Looking good! Really like the timing you guys have.
Kendall108 2 years ago
Frakkin' sweet. :D
silentfist862 2 years ago
good video!
But the girls win, for ever???? ;-)))
spuelberg 3 years ago
not at 0.32, nope :)
Elearis 2 years ago
This video is good for what it is.
MoonLancer 3 years ago
Serious martial artists trying to revive the REAl art have enough trouble gaining redcognition and validity in the eyes of fighters trained in other arts, without nonsense like this compounding it. Please, stick to lightsabers and katanas.
ManYtWol 3 years ago
@ManYtWol Stay out of movies mate if you're looking for your 'real' fights. General theatre & film audiences don't want to see 'real' fights. 'Real' fights are messy, confusing, are over far too quickly when done right, and have no story. Also, I'm pretty sure that practitioners of iado, kendo, kenjitsu, and other katana fighting styles would take offense at your intimation that it's not a 'real' fighting style.
kevinfightguy 1 year ago
Sigh.
I'm sorry, but I can't keep quiet about this. This kind of flashy, spinny, play fight, while obviously drawing upon the fechtbucher (and the legitimate efforts of serious martial artists to revive the historical European martial arts), makes a mockery of serious efforts. Stop it. You're making us look bad. We do not need a European-inspired Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
-B.
ManYtWol 3 years ago
Dude, this is stage combat. It's not supposed to be a "real" martial art, it is supposed to be dramatic and theatrical, and in that respect, it is quite good.
Marozzo1536 3 years ago 17
Agreed.
MattABryant 3 years ago 3
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Javrid 1 year ago
Heck, well always have medieval weapons in TV and movies (and looking at the users page, it's obvious that this is meant for acting), so if they get a bit more realistic, that's just good, isn't it?
...though I wish they'd get a bit better.
It all looks ridiculous, but at least it's a bit more realistic then usual movie fighting.
ZarlanTheGreen 3 years ago
While I'd like to see more realistic stuff (because I practice WMA and know what I'm looking at), that is an irrelevant consideration. That is, as a fight choreographer, your job is to provide what the director wants. A historic swordsman instructing stage fighters on theatrical fencing is just as ridiculous as stage fighters instructing historic fencers on WMA.
Marozzo1536 3 years ago
No. Stage fighting is supposed to look good, and be exciting.
As long as it conforms to those two criteria, more realism won't do any harm to it. It will however, give a more realistic image of fighting, and less complaints from people like us (though, admittedly, we are a small enough group, to safely be able to ignore)
A HEMA swordsman is perhaps insufficient, as the _only_ instructor, for stage fighting.
...but as a complement, I don't see why it would be anything but good.
ZarlanTheGreen 3 years ago
In stage fighting, realism isn't an end unto itself. It *might* be desirable if the movie is supposed to be "realistic" (for example, as in the Japanese movie "The Seven Samurai"). However, in so many movies, realism isn't even a consideration, and it might even be counter-productive for some of the more fantastic ones. Don't get me wrong, I prefer to watch the realistic stuff, too--but the director drives the choreographer, not the other way around.
Marozzo1536 3 years ago
Greater realism, as long as it isn't allowed to go as far as to be counter-productive, to the movie (or show), is good, even if it, most often, is not specifically necessary.
I don't understand, why you keep trying to disagree with me.
The only thing you say, that could go against what I say, would be the argument that they shouldn't do anything, unless it is specifically necessary for the movie
...if indeed, you are saying that.
ZarlanTheGreen 3 years ago