Apparently you're not updated with the latest Science, let me spell it out. Instead of the conservation of energy, there is now a conservation of mass-energy. At the start the whole universe was basically energy. However as energy spread out in the big bang, it slowly became mass.
Second, thermodynamics does not account for intermolecular forces, which make up a sizeable influence in the universe. (Thermodynamics is all about kinetic energy in case you have never been in a Physics class)
Nah, these have been there for like a quater of the history of Science, and for all history of Modern Science, (that's about 100 years) ever since Einstein discovered relativity.
And a changing Science allows to get closer to understanding the universe.
Right! Science changes! Because science is theory too. Just like how some people like to randomly relate happenings on this earth with those in the bible to prove its' existence. By the way, our system isn't totally "orderly" if you look a bit closer. Our sun is going to die out at some point in time, and it will change back to "disorder".
Your understanding of the second law is wrong. It doesn't say that at all. You're good at making videos, but you don't take the time to check your "facts."
There is a reason that your video has two stars. No one agrees with you. And this video has just criticizes it doesn't make its own arguments. Oh, and gods awesome huh? You should of read your own statement of stupidity, since it says like it says the same thing twice. HAHA
How is the universe orderly? Planets and suns vary in size and composition. They vary in the distance to the suns and Galactic centers. There are different types of galaxies in many different orientations.
Try Gen 2 - why does it vary from 1 ? Why does Eve get created 2 diff ways. In 2 man was just a gardener for Gods garden. - read on it just gets worse...Why is the ord of a god so ... contradictory... maybe on day 8 he should of created "proofreading".
The bible which is the Word of God says, that a day is like a thousand years for God and a thousand years is like a day for God. This is how awesome our God is.
WOW.. that was dumb.. i didn't learn anything from that video. I'll tell you why. So your telling me that god WINS by DEFAULT? There are A LOT of different ideas out there with NO evidence, like your god of the bible. And just to remind you, if you believe in the bible SO much then guess what, you also believe this earth and universe is only about 10,000 years old. Now that's funny.
Can things come to an "orderly form creation" by itself? of course not. They have to be directed to become an orderly creation. A watch don't become a watch by itself. It has to be directed when it's made to be created a watch.
Old and tired reasoning. The so-called watch is far from perfect, and the only reason we recognise that faulty logic at all is because we come from the standpoint of already knowing that the watch was created by man.
If we don't start out by ASSUMING that the universe was created by God, then it doesn't required the hand of God to make sense.
Why? Make a point. I already refuted one of your comments on my other video and here you don't even have a point. But that's what scientists do, don't they? They make these startling finds only to have some other scientsist come along and refute it. And so goes the circle...
The universe as a whole is complete chaos. It is still working itself out. Just the other day a house in New Jersey was hit and the skies over Wisconsin are a-glow. Our galaxy and Andromeda are eventually going to collide. Want more examples?
I wouldn't say that the galaxy is out of order based on a few small meteors that have fallen to the earth. Also there are no examples in history of galaxies colliding? Now for example if the sun was not to rise for one complete day or week then such a statement may have some legitimacy.
Check into the Galaxies movements, honest. That is just one example of one planet from one view. How many planets are there, and how many galaxies? Even the proportionate equation reflects this is happening 10 billion times in just what we see with a telescope.
How did the universe create itself into orderly systems?
The universe is not as simple and orderly as your puny mind would lead you to believe. Many of the mysteries of the universe are stranger then anything any human being can possibly imagine.
One could argue that the universe has in fact always been moving from order to chaos: At the big bang, all energy and matter were at a single point(order): Now it is an infinitely expanding universe filled with diverse chemical reactions and phenomena, getting increasingly complicated as time goes on (chaos)
hi atparks13,after viewing all these comments its quite clear - men will do ANYTHING to try and run away from God - threequarters of the "arguments" against you are theoretical models ASSUMING evolution.
Exept big bang does not ever state "something came from nothing" it says " A small something (quantum singulairty) expanded rapidly into a larger something"
It is in fact CREATION, everything coming from nothing, violates the first law. (And before you say 'AHA! The big bang says the same thing!', forget about it. No cosmologist says that.)
I fail to see what the first law had to do with your thesis, but the second law states that any CLOSED system tends towards greater entropy. The universe, being closed, is, as a whole, obeying this law.
This video is very frightening to me; frightening to me because people like it's author still exist. Face it fool, your simple-minded and childish ideas are fading.
One day, one day, we shall be free of the ignorance of you people.
Laws of the universe are valid INSIDE THE UNIVERSE, AFTER IT WAS CREATED. I guess understanding this is just too subtle, considering they are called Laws "of the Universe." Attempting to apply the laws of the universe to the time prior to its existence is not possible with science. So, that is why science conveniently says nothing about the time prior to the existence of the universe. At least you put a question mark on the name of this video. Otherwise, you'd be a complete moron.
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but you do know the 2nd law doesn't imply that order from disorder is impossible? It only says that entropy (unusable energy) of an ISOLATED system must increase. You have made an incorrect interpretation of the law right from the beginning.
I am sorry your inferior brain can't comprehend science Also who seid that the big bang came from nothing? that's only anether part of the theory could have been that humans went back into time to place dense matter useing billions of fussion devices the size of jubiter creating a massive nova calapsing into itself creating the big bang.Who knows not you not i no one does yet.
I refer you to the quantum cosmological model by Steve Hawking- this model mathematically proves, within the boundaries of both thermodynamics and the laws of conservation that it is fully reasonable for the universe to have "created" itself (it isn't quite that simple, but as you are a theist, I feel obligated to break everything down into very, very, VERY small pieces for you).
I wonder why a god that you say designed a perfect Universe...Would put us on a planet that is so violent. I mean Tornado, earthquakes, floods, I mean what kind of a dumb ass designer is god. I mean if he is god why can't there just be water when we need it. For that matter why do we need water, or a ozone. Oh why do we need blind faith.
atparks13, I can't believe how much you've distorted these laws to fit your own needs. Who the hell said that it was created from NOTHING? From my understanding, the universe began from a singularity of immense mass and enery, not nothing! And entropy does increase, but order can be achieved if disorder occurs elsewhere. Please get some education.
And come to think of it, God violates A LOT of physical laws.
In questioning the begining of everything and stating laws of thermodynamics, you're presenting bigger questions: who created god? God was always there, you say? Well, I can say the same about the universe - it has always been there. Wake up! http://wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=ZwlZ1O2Roh0
first law of thermodynamics: Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but CAN ONLY TRANSFORM FROM ONE FORM TO ANOTHER.
second law of thermodynamics:The ENTROPY (Not disorder, moron) of an isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value.
And, by the way, nature is full of things that create "order" out of "disorder". Haven't you ever seen a snowflake?
So atparks13 I give you VERY BRIEF list of evidence supporting big bang theory and I would like you to give me alternative explanations to these FACTS:
astronomycafe DOT net/qadir/q401
astronomycafe DOT net/qadir/q2513
ps sorry for possible mistakes english is not my 1st language
Thank you for showing succinctly and correctly the logical fallacy of this question. I couldn't have done better myself, and English IS my first language...
1st law of TD isn't violated also because we don't know what was happening prior to the planck era (10^(-43)s). Science simply doesn't have the answer for this question YET. Some scientists believe that the theory of everything (the theory that will merge quantum theory with general relativity) will explain what happened then but this is speculative. Science is very self critical; if you want to disprove a theory, you must give alternative explanations to the evidence supporting this theory.
By adding lots of energy you can overcome the 2nd law of TD (this is what sun does to earth) The only closed system is the universe and it's state predicted by the big bang doesn't violate entropy. Newest discoveries made by WMAP indicate that the universe will expand and cool forever (it will not recollapse); check out my favorite site on astronomy for details: http://www DOT astronomycafe DOT net/qadir/timeline.html
LOL, another cretionist who doesn't understand entropy. This order/disorder definition of 2nd law of TD is actually teached in mid-school so i suppose that's were atparks13's education stopped (and if not, it's even more scary). 2nd law of TD actually states that when you add energy to a closed system some amount of this energy is irreversibly absorbed by the system. Therefore the entropy is gradual loss of ability to do work.
science doesnt have all the answers yet, but it works in a way in which it gather answers. the only proove to the myths of religion is faith, which is basically accepting and embracing ignorance, and abruptly cutting the desire of knowledge. religion answer's the unknown with new questions rather than answers. just like the person above me pointed out, if you answer all that you ignore with the word god, you are only creating new unknown factors without filling the previous question.
God shall reward you one day for courageously stating the truth. So many refuse to accept the truth, but that is no reason to compromise or give in to their ignorance and lack of wisdom. God bless!
DISORDER(entropy) = energy not avaliable for work. As less and less energy is avaliable to do work, systems setttle in to stable states allowed and enforced by the laws of that system => universe we see today. Think about water turning in to ice.
All I'm doing is calling shit as I see it...I didn't say that you don't have it 'quite right'...I sure as shit thought it, but I didn't say it...Don't fucking dismiss my comment and I won't dismiss yours. If you can't handle people commenting on your video, then don't post your video.
Wow. Where's the anger coming from? I apologize for being the source of this anger. I also am not sure how you interpreted my reply as unable to "handle people commenting on my video". Anyways, thanks again for the comment...I hope you feel better soon.
The point I was trying to make was that not everything has to equal up to 100% to be believed. Christianity doesn't, neither does science. If people find peace in science, you should be happy for them. If people find peace in Christianity, you should be happy for them too. It doesn't matter what they believe in. They have their beliefs for a reason and nothing you can say will change that. Just like nothing I say will change the way you feel.
With all due respect you are wrong. Nobody can find the same type of peace in anything else that he or she can find in Christ Jesus (John 6:35). Since I know that ultimate peace can only be found in Jesus, I want people to be found by Jesus. People can change through the Word of God (John 3). I was and so have millions of other people. Take care.
Just because you aren't able to think for yourself and need an outdated book to tell you how to think and how to live. According to you, God gave me the brain I have and I'm going to use it. You're in no position to tell people how they need to think. As a christian, you should be tolerant. Learn to be ok with people who think differently.
I just love this. The creationist folk believe they can disprove evolution by questioning things like the big bang. Clear proof they don't understand science.
One possible explanation can be: The Devel placed all those fossils there to lure us away from God. What creationists don't like about science is that cannot give 100% certainty. When you are used to believing that a book is correct on every issue (even though it contradicts itself and modern science), it is a real downer to use science to get to the truth. (I wonder if atparks13 is coming back).
If Humans were walking on Earth at this time then we'd be extinct, right? Dinosaurs and Humans never walked on the Earth at the same time. We came about 56 million years later. The records are in the rocks, my friend.
atparks13 doesn't think that dinosaurs were killed by a comet. He told me, "That was never proven." This has been proven. The KT Boundaries all over the world prove that there was a huge and catastrophic event that wiped out the dinosaurs about 65 million years ago and they can tell how many years the Earth was blanketed by ash and know that no volcano's eruption could blanket the entire Earth for that long.
I am from Rotterdam, I have always lived there, so I don't know how it is to devote your youth to Jesus. And I know that there exists a certain amount of drugs that allows you to debate a religious person and still be able to form coherent thoughts. (I don't know if atparks13 will return, but I really enjoyed the discussion). Enjoy!
Nice! I'm from Oegstgeest (near Amsterdam), and you? Btw, I was not in any way drugged when typing these things yesterday. ;) In the village where I grew up christians where everywhere, but now I'm at university most of the people here think more like me.
Hehe, JustJohan, just saw in your profile you are also from The Netherlands. It's 4:02 AM right now, I think it is also time for me to go to bed. And to atparks13: I really enjoyed this discussion, as JustJohan most likely can tell you: we don't have that many Christians in our country. So this was at least a eye-opening experience. Funny thing about us is that we more or less legalized drugs so talking about feelings of bliss is a bit more practical for us. ;-)
before I go to sleep, that it is remarkable to see how any newborn of any faith can always agree exactly on all other faiths why they are wrong, except their own. :) makes one wonder doesn't it? Last week spoken to a muslim, maybe tomorrow with a budhist...
... or Muslims, or Hindus, or Jews, or Animists, or Humanists, or Native American Religion-followers, or Aboriginals, or Mormons. You see, all those guys just end up in Hell. Because God has written His Holy Book in such a way it has the same credibility as the Quran and all other holy scriptures that are obviously written by man. (And this remark is not scoffing, this is just concluding.)
Come on, lighten up, you started by calling scientists liars who know that evolution is false but still try to sell it. I like to see myself as open-minded, but giving the heart some intelligence is soohw 2nd century BCE. I apologize, I am really not mad, I just think you are now not only attacking evolution scientists, but also regular doctors. Let us focus at the problem at hand: why should someone start believing in a god? Try to forgive me; I am sure Jesus said something about that.
Great question. Because God created us to glorify Him. We are here because of Him. Romans 1:20-23 says this, "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles."
There's your heart reference.Though I know it's hard for atheists and agnostics to accept we have souls and hearts that guide our love for fellow man, it's true. We love from our heart. Our actions are done by two ways: 1) what makes us feel good or 2) what glorifies God. We glorify God to show our love to Him. Our love comes from our heart. If God doesn't change our hearts we stay stale and hard-hearted - non-believers.
The reason Jesus gave us to believe in God is part what He said and what He did. He told us He would defeat death to prove the gospel and He did it. That should be reason enough.
Hmm, I would like to see discussions not only peaceful, but also reasonable... As an instrument in the hands of God, to make me see why these things you say are a holy truth, I would expect you to stay away from logical pitfalls like circular reasoning and just stating that you're right over and over again without supporting that with something solid.
Remember, I have not (yet) accepted the bible, therefore any argument that is mainly based on quotes from the scripture I will not (yet) consider valid. Please understand from neutral point of view such reasonings are inherently flawed. (I would like to add as a side note
Oh and here we go with the scoffing and mocking that always begins when I engage in discussion with someone about Christ. Why is it that when I discuss Christ and scripture with a non-believer it ALWAYS ends in the non-believer mocking, scoffing or getting mad?
JustJohan, no problem in joining the discussion, but atparks13 is limited to 3 times 500 characters, so he cannot answer all our questions. But we are now talking about the heart as the central entrypoint of god. And I as an infidel just thought that it was for pumping blood. We learn every day...
asm82: I do agree with you on that, although maybe you put it somewhat rude. All our actions that can be measured, things we say, things we do, are controlled by our muscles, through our nervecells and ultimately by our brain. Our brain can be considered a very complex infinite state machine in which consequent states follow from previous states of the brain
and inputs through other nervecells. There is no known feedback from the pumping heart I think you both were referring to, other than the data exchange necessary for proper functioning of it as an organ. I agree with atparks13 we should keep this discussion peaceful.
You just explained to me and everyone else why God works through the heart and not the brain. There are 753 references to the heart in scripture. None on the brain. Thank you.
Good thing that the understanding of biology and medicine was as good >2000 years ago as it is today! Otherwise this might be due to people making mistakes. How's that sheep-urine balm treating the bad blood near the cut on your finger that let in the evil spirits?
sense of bliss. And evolution full of gaps? If this were the case, the scientific community would abandon this "laughable" theory and find a better, because that is the way science works, but I am ready to hear your problems with evolution (why can't chimps and humans be related, for example?). And a lot of people saw Mohammed ride a horse to heaven, I am just saying...
When I have listened to a concert, this can give me a happy feeling that lasts a few days. And when I even think about music (like a melody) I need to suppress a smile and try not to hum it when I am in a public place. Music is one of the most important things that make my life enjoyable, you cannot compare my feelings with yours; music just does 'it' for me. And I feel we miss some irony here: there are a lot of Muslims and Hindus who say that their respective gods cause an everlasting
I am not going to downtalk your religious experience, but it might be that it is completely produced by your own brain. When I listen to music I really, really love, I feel a very strong sense of bliss, maybe we have the same feeling, you because it feels as if a god gave you an important place in his creation, I because I love music.
Not a bad try at an explanantion but I would give it an irrefutable no. The thing about your music is that the bliss only lasts as long as the song is playing or as long as you are enjoying it in your brain. The bliss Christ gives a believer is never-ending. The bliss you get from music is NOTHING compared to the bliss Christ gives a believer. It may sound pompous or whatever, but it is the truth.
Oh, I'm sorry to interfere with this other discussion, and I'm glad you feel so well, but I have to agree with ams82 that the human brain is very capable in letting us experience a wide range of things. People under the influence of certain drugs for example can experience dancing pink elephants that make them so utterly happy, that it will almost scare us.
VERY important in this matter is that it is absolutely impossible from the perspective of the human being under consideration to tell what is real and what is not. The human brain can be fooled, and if it is (I don't say this necessarily holds for you), there's no way to tell, because your brain itself,
the one apparatus you have always put your trust in, is playing tricks on you. We are but simple beings, if God could bring us in this state of happiness, that means he alters our brain chemistry, so a drug (or possibly something we carry within us) could do it as well. There's no way to tell for sure by introspection it was God even if it was indeed God.
layer, or what species will have a lot of DNA in common. Just like the Theory of Gravitation, it doesn't prove anything, it just answers the question why nature is the way it is. And it is falsifiable, very important. "God did it" is just not a valid answer, because we cannot think of anything (hypothetical) that would contradict this explanation (that's why it is not science). Creationism is believing something, not because of lack of evidence, but in spite of evidence.
But evidence within the evolutionary is chock-full of flaws, gaps, and suppositions. How any scientist can call it science without cracking a smile is an even bigger mystery than the Holy Trinity.
Al right,what do we know so far:To know a god exists,you first have to accept that he exists.Christianity is the only religion that claims to be following the true god.It is true that Muslims don't think their god came down and died on the cross,but they believe that he whispered the truth into Mohammed's ear."Evolution does not prove anything." It is a theory which is very helpful in describing nature and doing predictions about for example the type of fossils you will find in a certain
Okay - Jesus Christ predicted He would die and rise again and this would be the evidence the world would need to believe the Gospel. Jesus Christ died and was spotted by HUNDREDS of people after He died as alive. Muhammed sat in a cave claimed God whispered in his ear and wrote a book - not even close as to the same...
Yes there is. Other than the Bible, there are many other accounts of a man by the name of Jesus hanging from the cross with two other men, both criminals, and being executed in the center for being the 'worst' of them. So yes, there are many other accounts of Jesus other than the Bible, which has also been proven to be true.
Christianity is the ONLY religion that claims its "founder" or "spearhead" is God. That man who claimed Himself God did exist according to historical documents and His body did go inexplicably missing after His death. That man did show Himself three days after He was crucified to people therefore giving proof that He defeated death.
When they find a human skeleton in a layer with dinosaurs, I will gladly abandon my "faith" in evolution. What evidence do you need to show you that the bible is fallible?
Flat Earth and Sun revolves around the Earth in the Bible: http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/latest_2003/geocentrism.html
That's why science works, because the only thing we need is evidence that shows the current theories are false. Showing Jesus or Mohammed was false is impossible, because they are by definition right, even if they are incompatible. "God's true Word is difficult, almost impossible, for a seflish man to follow. We are all selfish..." so you are selfish too, so you will be most likely wrong with regard to God's true word, so I better not listen to you, then?
YES! That's right. DO NOT LISTEN TO ME. But listen to God's word. Now, I could be a vessel that God chooses to bring the word to you. But go to the book yourself.
I wonder, if you would have a loss of memory because you didn't watch carefully while crossing the street during your holiday in Spain, and you wouldn't remember anything about your past and you convictions anymore, lost your passport, nobody there to recognize you... Try to picture that.
In such a situation, given a bible and a koran, the handbook of atheïsm and a thora maybe, and probably also some buddhist books. How would you be able to pick the one and true religion from that? Will you be guided by something holy? If so, why would you while all those others with other religions failed.
If not, are you able to tell what is the best religion from just those books without prejudices? If so, you should be able to tell me without pitfalls in your reasoning why your form of christianity is the best. If not, that would be a real pity. :(
Four years ago - I would not have known. Today I do, because I have been born again and the Holy Spirit resides in me. Non-believers do not understand that because the words of the cross are foolishness for those don't believe. Being a believer is not simply believing your religion is true. Being a believer is having the Holy Spirit indwelling inside of you. Therefore, the person who loses all of that worldly stuff will not lose what they have from the Lord's kingdom.
I can not give scientific PROOF that any of this is true. I never have said that and I never will. Evolution does not prove anything. Creation does not prove anything. But i can tell you this, something has truly changed me from the inside out and it was something I had nothing to do with. It was a supernatural transformation that only happens with born again Christians.
That Man claimed that this would be the proof that would show that he was God and everything he preached about God's kingdom is the truth. People reject this because we were wired to reject it. The cleansing of newness must be initiated by God and when that happens, one becomes born again and ALL of this stuff makes complete sense then.
point was that that causes unneeded problems. Embracing science can cause you to love your god and still have an open mind when thinking about nature. Try to find an argument that serves only your religion. Saying that not everyone shares your believes because they haven't found the true religion yet, doesn't answer the question if yours is really the TRUE religion. Try to find proof that shows that your religion is the right one and apply it so everyone else has no choice than to join you.
NO ONE will ever get EVERY bit of scripture correct. There are doctrines that Christians argue over - but these issues are minor. With regards to the major points - God's son incarnate, holy trinity, eternal life, John 14:6, John 3:16...etc etc...these issues are the ones that must be understood correctly that makes religions the difference between false and real.
Well you named this video"Science Refutes Its Own Laws?",that seems pretty anti-science to me.So therefore I assumed you thought that you had to chose between science and religion,sorry for that.And about "making sense",I said: "making sense (scientifically spoken)",with this I meant following the mainstream scientific community.You have chosen to place a holy scripture before science(which is just reasoning from reality,not perfect,but at least it is free from prejudices),and my
Yes. Here's what we must do - start with the word of God and look at the scientific evidence to confirm it. Now people disagree with this but why not? God's word is God's word. Look at the insturction booklet he gaves us and confirm it with evidence. Science is NOT free from prejudices as many believe. i.e. With regard to relative dating methods...there is an obvious prejudice here that presupposes an old earth.
decide to read up on how the universe actually works (Carl Sagan was mentioned in this thread, he's a good start), you can be religious AND make sense (scientifically spoken).
And about hell and what more: if god loves us so much, why are there so many religions to choose from? Apperently there is no clear winner, if this were the case we decided it centuries ago. If a god exists, he wants us to think for ourselves (we've got a pretty large brain) and to find out how the universe
"Once you decide to read up on how the universe actually works, you can be religious AND make sense." I agree wholeheartedly. Nowhere in any of my comments or videos do I say that science is all bunk. You are bringing a common fallacy amongst scoffers that creationists completely ignore science - period. This is a lie.
"if god loves us so much, why are there so many religions to choose from?" Because people tend to want to "lean on their own understanding" (Psalm 3:5). Many also have "traded the truth of God for a lie". (Romans 1:25) God's true Word is difficult, almost impossible, for a seflish man to follow. We are all selfish, so many people and religions try to make what they want God to be rather than what God is. Great question. Thanks for the comment. God bless. Or in your case - nature bless. :)
eternal happyness (well, at least until the end of your life). I sincerely believe that's your right, as long as you don't start molesting abortion doctors and gays. They have rights too, you know.
But I would like to give you one tip: don't take a stance towards the scientific community. There are a lot of Christian scientists and they succeed in combining their work with their believes. In fact, if I were religious, I could see the work of a god in everything I see around me. Once you
Ahhw, religion, it always makes me happy. The world seems so much more simpler. I as an atheist can really enjoy videos by creationists, because it takes me back to the times when I believed that a guy lived in a whale for three days and so on. So much more simpler, and the world seemed so much more friendly. So I agree: once you decide to free your mind from all reality, you live really lightens up. All you need is a group of people around you that believe the same and you've got a recipe for
There was a documented modern incident where a man actually was swallowed by a certain species of whale, stayed in the belly of the whale for a day or two and lived to tell about it. This whale is a species that is indigenous in the Middle East. Thanks for the comment.
And if you want to know why I know that evolution is a fact, then watch the Carl Sagan video, "Carl Sagan on Evolution", I think that it will put some clearification on my behalf.
Plus you can't take every phenomenom in existence and simply say, "God did it." That scenario is getting older with every smarter person. Your time is up, my friend.
I love every Human on Earth, But belief in God has nothing to do with that. I wish a happy life for every lifeform on Earth. Science proves that will never happen. We're always at war. Sorry that survival of the fittest is an actual step in evolution. Where's your God at when innocent people die in a war that was absoultely not their fault?
God says we can't love people the correct way without a reltionship with God first. God is always here. The "what kind of God would have an innocent person killed" is an escape from the truth. Remember that God made the world perfect with man in perfect union with him. WE SCREWED IT UP - not Him. Placing the blame on him is a lack of taking responsibility for our actions.
And you know what, atparks13? A lot of people say that they've seen or talked to, or felt God. If you think that you would be special enough to be imprtant enough for this miraculious occasion makes you a materialist. You're an idiot if you think that you'd be important enough for the creater of existence to see or talk to you. Even though, every Human wishes that they'd be that imprtant. LOL!
This is based on human rationale which is not of God's. God says my thoughts are not your thoughts neither my ways your ways. Just because it does not make logical sense to us does mean God won't do it.
It is funny how you use science to disprove science. (which is how science thrives and improves.) Yet when it comes to an actual scientific explanation you resort to saying "god did it". If you are going to criticizie science, you should try to come up with your own answers through science. Saying "god did it" just shows you have no clue how science works.
Very nice. Watch (On youtube, "Carl Sagan On Evolution"). If Humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time, then Humans would be extinct right now? I have many more contractions though. Hit me up.
A nice little quote, "Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan".
Enough with the scriptures. I don't believe in God, but I am a polite and decent Human being. I am not violent or prejudice, in any way. I have a lot of friends, sosme agree and some don't. But they still like to be around me. I know people can be Atheist and still be a good person, but you are prejudice against us and think that we are all idiots.
What makes you believe I am prejudice about you and against you? If I were against you I wouldn't be putting the time in to finding scripture to help you. I'd either be ignoring you or insulting you.
You think that I am an immoral person and I can't be a good person because I am an Atheist. You said that. You also said that I don't enjoy the life that U do, I love, cherish, and enjoy the brief moment that I have in this demision as much as you do. You're wrong there, my friend.
I don't do these videos just to prove people wrong, but in the hope that God will use me to transform those of you who aren't believers into believers so you can enjoy the love of life that I do, not to mention to ensure your eternal life with Christ instead of satan. Snatchpro, my actions are out of love, bro.
I used to be lost - unsure of why we were here - going through life just doing the things that made me happy. It sucked. Jesus Christ called me into His kingdom and He transformed me. Now I am free. People think Christianity is a set of rules that keeps you in chains...but it's so awesome and it's liberating and I'm free from the bondage of the crap life deals you. Oh i still get the crap - but I know how to deal with everything in every instance and I'm not of unsure of anything anymore!
As long as something is a solid body it collects solar radiation on itself, every solid body. We can tell how old something is from Carbon Dating, not Isotope dating. Fact: Dinosaurs existed. Fact: if we were around when the dinosaurs were then we'd be extinct. And I don't need to believe in God to be a good or moral person.
Snatch - with carbon-14 we can only ASSUME how old something is. Any reputable scientist will tell you the problems carbon-14 dating brings. How do you figure we'd be extinct if we were around when dinosaurs were around? Scientists, once again, GUESS or ASSUME how the dinosaurs died...
"And I don't need to believe in God to be a good or moral person." Yes you do: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands,no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless;there is no one who does good, not even one."(Rom. 3:10-12)
My point on that earlier comment was that, as many fossils we have found, some billions of years old, the oldest fossils we've found of Humans is around 4-10 million years old. Explain that. Are we just looking in the wrong place every single time?
No. Snatch. I expounded on this in another video. But it has to do with worldview and secular scientists assuming things that have never been proven. Furthermore, the dating methods are flawed. The relative dating method, when beginning with scripture dates everything differently than if you leave the scripture out. Isotope dating assumes three things that are not proven. Isotope dating is flawed.
There was a species called Trillebites that were around for 300 million years and in those old rocks there is no evidence of humans. Evolution is not a theory, like I said. And I don't see why we need a God to be moral. I am an Atheist, but I respect people and am a polite person.
People need a God to hold them accountable to be moral. We are all born with sinful natures. (Rom. 3:23) Though many people would have you believe that people are good at heart. This is not true. We are apart from God and He wants us to be unified with Him. Christ bridged that gap by dying for us. (John 3:16)
Atheists have very good reason to be moral without the accountability of God. Consider that the point of Christianity is to have life and health in this world and the next via salvation through Jesus. Morals for an Atheist are those rules that we agree upon that have worked to bring us more life and health in this life. Since Atheists don't believe in any afterlife there is no need for them to consider Morality in terms of an afterlife.
Evolution is proven in the sense that it is inevitable. If traits are inherited and can mutate, and if these mutations can affect survival, then evolution has to happen.
Yeah, it's all a bunch of false hope that when U die, you'll see everyone that you've known before your death. How can U be so gullable and still promote a specie's evolution? And to me, evolution is all that matters, since evoulution is not a theory, it's a fact? It's been proven. Has a god that governs every interaction in this universe been proven. If you believe in God more than Science, then why don't you pray instead of going to the hospital, just pray? You're a hippocrite! Face it!
Apparently you're not updated with the latest Science, let me spell it out. Instead of the conservation of energy, there is now a conservation of mass-energy. At the start the whole universe was basically energy. However as energy spread out in the big bang, it slowly became mass.
Second, thermodynamics does not account for intermolecular forces, which make up a sizeable influence in the universe. (Thermodynamics is all about kinetic energy in case you have never been in a Physics class)
chanjl41 4 years ago
So the science has changed yet again? There's a shocker.
atparks13 4 years ago
Nah, these have been there for like a quater of the history of Science, and for all history of Modern Science, (that's about 100 years) ever since Einstein discovered relativity.
And a changing Science allows to get closer to understanding the universe.
chanjl41 4 years ago
Right! Science changes! Because science is theory too. Just like how some people like to randomly relate happenings on this earth with those in the bible to prove its' existence. By the way, our system isn't totally "orderly" if you look a bit closer. Our sun is going to die out at some point in time, and it will change back to "disorder".
000majorwinters000 4 years ago
so... where did the big bang come from
pursuitfortruth 2 years ago
Your understanding of the second law is wrong. It doesn't say that at all. You're good at making videos, but you don't take the time to check your "facts."
TheFallibleFiend 5 years ago
You clearly have no idea about astronomy
nawitus 5 years ago
There is a reason that your video has two stars. No one agrees with you. And this video has just criticizes it doesn't make its own arguments. Oh, and gods awesome huh? You should of read your own statement of stupidity, since it says like it says the same thing twice. HAHA
standingintallgrass 5 years ago
Is this English?
atparks13 5 years ago
No, but the comment is understanable enough. Don't hide behind symantics to avoid the point.
riverwindbonsai 5 years ago
You can understand that? You're good!
atparks13 5 years ago
How is the universe orderly? Planets and suns vary in size and composition. They vary in the distance to the suns and Galactic centers. There are different types of galaxies in many different orientations.
Try Gen 2 - why does it vary from 1 ? Why does Eve get created 2 diff ways. In 2 man was just a gardener for Gods garden. - read on it just gets worse...Why is the ord of a god so ... contradictory... maybe on day 8 he should of created "proofreading".
smartz100 5 years ago
The bible which is the Word of God says, that a day is like a thousand years for God and a thousand years is like a day for God. This is how awesome our God is.
jiji45 5 years ago
Wrong. You need to study Hebrew a tad more
atparks13 4 years ago
WOW.. that was dumb.. i didn't learn anything from that video. I'll tell you why. So your telling me that god WINS by DEFAULT? There are A LOT of different ideas out there with NO evidence, like your god of the bible. And just to remind you, if you believe in the bible SO much then guess what, you also believe this earth and universe is only about 10,000 years old. Now that's funny.
standingintallgrass 5 years ago
Funny to you but it is true.
atparks13 5 years ago
Good video and good facts. Thank you.
jiji45 5 years ago
Can things come to an "orderly form creation" by itself? of course not. They have to be directed to become an orderly creation. A watch don't become a watch by itself. It has to be directed when it's made to be created a watch.
jiji45 5 years ago
Old and tired reasoning. The so-called watch is far from perfect, and the only reason we recognise that faulty logic at all is because we come from the standpoint of already knowing that the watch was created by man.
If we don't start out by ASSUMING that the universe was created by God, then it doesn't required the hand of God to make sense.
riverwindbonsai 5 years ago
oh dear poor atparks13 realy needs to do some reading asumeing of course he is ingnorant and not simply stupid
RobNunchucks 5 years ago
Why? Make a point. I already refuted one of your comments on my other video and here you don't even have a point. But that's what scientists do, don't they? They make these startling finds only to have some other scientsist come along and refute it. And so goes the circle...
atparks13 5 years ago
The universe is not an orderly system. NEXT!
MistarX 5 years ago
which part of the universe is out of order?
moali68 5 years ago
The universe as a whole is complete chaos. It is still working itself out. Just the other day a house in New Jersey was hit and the skies over Wisconsin are a-glow. Our galaxy and Andromeda are eventually going to collide. Want more examples?
MistarX 5 years ago
I wouldn't say that the galaxy is out of order based on a few small meteors that have fallen to the earth. Also there are no examples in history of galaxies colliding? Now for example if the sun was not to rise for one complete day or week then such a statement may have some legitimacy.
moali68 5 years ago
Check into the Galaxies movements, honest. That is just one example of one planet from one view. How many planets are there, and how many galaxies? Even the proportionate equation reflects this is happening 10 billion times in just what we see with a telescope.
MistarX 5 years ago
Did a supernatural creator make these orderly systems that you talk about?
Or were they brought about by natural physical laws; for example, the law of gravity, which causes randomized matter to coalesce into stars?
"Sheeple Talk about your silly video, and laugh and laugh"
SheepleTalk 5 years ago
How did the universe create itself into orderly systems?
The universe is not as simple and orderly as your puny mind would lead you to believe. Many of the mysteries of the universe are stranger then anything any human being can possibly imagine.
GVon42 5 years ago
One could argue that the universe has in fact always been moving from order to chaos: At the big bang, all energy and matter were at a single point(order): Now it is an infinitely expanding universe filled with diverse chemical reactions and phenomena, getting increasingly complicated as time goes on (chaos)
GVon42 5 years ago
Evolution is biology, and has nothing to do with the big bang. XD
TrueIntentions 5 years ago
It just goes to show that these religious nuts are not only anti-evolution, but anti-science in general.
simon130 5 years ago
hi atparks13,after viewing all these comments its quite clear - men will do ANYTHING to try and run away from God - threequarters of the "arguments" against you are theoretical models ASSUMING evolution.
yastunt 5 years ago
Amen!
atparks13 5 years ago
Exept big bang does not ever state "something came from nothing" it says " A small something (quantum singulairty) expanded rapidly into a larger something"
EtherPilot 5 years ago
I feel the love!
atparks13 5 years ago
It is in fact CREATION, everything coming from nothing, violates the first law. (And before you say 'AHA! The big bang says the same thing!', forget about it. No cosmologist says that.)
DrRandola 5 years ago
I fail to see what the first law had to do with your thesis, but the second law states that any CLOSED system tends towards greater entropy. The universe, being closed, is, as a whole, obeying this law.
DrRandola 5 years ago
This video is very frightening to me; frightening to me because people like it's author still exist. Face it fool, your simple-minded and childish ideas are fading.
One day, one day, we shall be free of the ignorance of you people.
Blumpkinstein 5 years ago
Laws of the universe are valid INSIDE THE UNIVERSE, AFTER IT WAS CREATED. I guess understanding this is just too subtle, considering they are called Laws "of the Universe." Attempting to apply the laws of the universe to the time prior to its existence is not possible with science. So, that is why science conveniently says nothing about the time prior to the existence of the universe. At least you put a question mark on the name of this video. Otherwise, you'd be a complete moron.
Uroshnor 5 years ago
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but you do know the 2nd law doesn't imply that order from disorder is impossible? It only says that entropy (unusable energy) of an ISOLATED system must increase. You have made an incorrect interpretation of the law right from the beginning.
lucaspewkas 5 years ago
hahah both these points have been refuted many times over by anyone, yet you still wasted your time making this video. good show.
Liface 5 years ago
I am sorry your inferior brain can't comprehend science Also who seid that the big bang came from nothing? that's only anether part of the theory could have been that humans went back into time to place dense matter useing billions of fussion devices the size of jubiter creating a massive nova calapsing into itself creating the big bang.Who knows not you not i no one does yet.
daiitokumyouou899 5 years ago
I refer you to the quantum cosmological model by Steve Hawking- this model mathematically proves, within the boundaries of both thermodynamics and the laws of conservation that it is fully reasonable for the universe to have "created" itself (it isn't quite that simple, but as you are a theist, I feel obligated to break everything down into very, very, VERY small pieces for you).
ChrisRay6000 5 years ago
I wonder why a god that you say designed a perfect Universe...Would put us on a planet that is so violent. I mean Tornado, earthquakes, floods, I mean what kind of a dumb ass designer is god. I mean if he is god why can't there just be water when we need it. For that matter why do we need water, or a ozone. Oh why do we need blind faith.
YOURGOD78 5 years ago
I love it. Keep the comments coming, folks!!!!God bless!
atparks13 5 years ago
atparks13, I can't believe how much you've distorted these laws to fit your own needs. Who the hell said that it was created from NOTHING? From my understanding, the universe began from a singularity of immense mass and enery, not nothing! And entropy does increase, but order can be achieved if disorder occurs elsewhere. Please get some education.
And come to think of it, God violates A LOT of physical laws.
powerstone2 5 years ago
In questioning the begining of everything and stating laws of thermodynamics, you're presenting bigger questions: who created god? God was always there, you say? Well, I can say the same about the universe - it has always been there. Wake up! http://wwwDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=ZwlZ1O2Roh0
chadagg 5 years ago
first law of thermodynamics: Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but CAN ONLY TRANSFORM FROM ONE FORM TO ANOTHER.
second law of thermodynamics:The ENTROPY (Not disorder, moron) of an isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value.
And, by the way, nature is full of things that create "order" out of "disorder". Haven't you ever seen a snowflake?
socratesone 5 years ago
So atparks13 I give you VERY BRIEF list of evidence supporting big bang theory and I would like you to give me alternative explanations to these FACTS:
astronomycafe DOT net/qadir/q401
astronomycafe DOT net/qadir/q2513
ps sorry for possible mistakes english is not my 1st language
Jacnas 5 years ago
Thank you for showing succinctly and correctly the logical fallacy of this question. I couldn't have done better myself, and English IS my first language...
DrRandola 5 years ago
1st law of TD isn't violated also because we don't know what was happening prior to the planck era (10^(-43)s). Science simply doesn't have the answer for this question YET. Some scientists believe that the theory of everything (the theory that will merge quantum theory with general relativity) will explain what happened then but this is speculative. Science is very self critical; if you want to disprove a theory, you must give alternative explanations to the evidence supporting this theory.
Jacnas 5 years ago
By adding lots of energy you can overcome the 2nd law of TD (this is what sun does to earth) The only closed system is the universe and it's state predicted by the big bang doesn't violate entropy. Newest discoveries made by WMAP indicate that the universe will expand and cool forever (it will not recollapse); check out my favorite site on astronomy for details: http://www DOT astronomycafe DOT net/qadir/timeline.html
Ok this was completely off topic.
Jacnas 5 years ago
LOL, another cretionist who doesn't understand entropy. This order/disorder definition of 2nd law of TD is actually teached in mid-school so i suppose that's were atparks13's education stopped (and if not, it's even more scary). 2nd law of TD actually states that when you add energy to a closed system some amount of this energy is irreversibly absorbed by the system. Therefore the entropy is gradual loss of ability to do work.
Jacnas 5 years ago
science doesnt have all the answers yet, but it works in a way in which it gather answers. the only proove to the myths of religion is faith, which is basically accepting and embracing ignorance, and abruptly cutting the desire of knowledge. religion answer's the unknown with new questions rather than answers. just like the person above me pointed out, if you answer all that you ignore with the word god, you are only creating new unknown factors without filling the previous question.
Aldelirium 5 years ago
DAM IT! why must ppl ALWAYS POINT TO "GOD" when faced with something they cant answer?!!!!
He is not the ONLY OTHER POSSIBILITY!!!
sanitaria 5 years ago
As always, The Daily Show has it right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlnY5-gBZEE
asm82 5 years ago
God shall reward you one day for courageously stating the truth. So many refuse to accept the truth, but that is no reason to compromise or give in to their ignorance and lack of wisdom. God bless!
(5 stars)
IrishJewGangsta 5 years ago
5 stars! Thanks for speaking up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM8dNqfEpas
ShillelaghLord1 5 years ago
Its a fair point though a little misguided.
DISORDER(entropy) = energy not avaliable for work. As less and less energy is avaliable to do work, systems setttle in to stable states allowed and enforced by the laws of that system => universe we see today. Think about water turning in to ice.
jatherobot 5 years ago
That's not the second law of thermodynamics...
This is the second law of thermodynamics "Heat cannot of itself pass from a colder to a hotter body"
and what kind of rebutal is 'In the beggining God created"? Just becasue the Bible says the bible is true doesn't mean the bible is true.
It's not that difficult
tomspencer155 5 years ago
What language are you speaking...you read like a public defender underwater.
I'm embarassed that you're not embarassed of your video.
SacredGamer 5 years ago
English. Thanks for the comment.
atparks13 5 years ago
Christian Law #1 - God loves you unconditionally
Christian Law Ammendment #1 - You'll burn in hell if you are a homosexual or find a religion other than Christianity that.
Physic laws arent the only ones that don't totally add up...
columbia5052005 5 years ago
Columbia, I understand what you are trying to do here, but unfortunately you do not have it quite right. Thanks for the comment.
atparks13 5 years ago
All I'm doing is calling shit as I see it...I didn't say that you don't have it 'quite right'...I sure as shit thought it, but I didn't say it...Don't fucking dismiss my comment and I won't dismiss yours. If you can't handle people commenting on your video, then don't post your video.
columbia5052005 5 years ago
Wow. Where's the anger coming from? I apologize for being the source of this anger. I also am not sure how you interpreted my reply as unable to "handle people commenting on my video". Anyways, thanks again for the comment...I hope you feel better soon.
atparks13 5 years ago
The point I was trying to make was that not everything has to equal up to 100% to be believed. Christianity doesn't, neither does science. If people find peace in science, you should be happy for them. If people find peace in Christianity, you should be happy for them too. It doesn't matter what they believe in. They have their beliefs for a reason and nothing you can say will change that. Just like nothing I say will change the way you feel.
columbia5052005 5 years ago
With all due respect you are wrong. Nobody can find the same type of peace in anything else that he or she can find in Christ Jesus (John 6:35). Since I know that ultimate peace can only be found in Jesus, I want people to be found by Jesus. People can change through the Word of God (John 3). I was and so have millions of other people. Take care.
atparks13 5 years ago
Just because you aren't able to think for yourself and need an outdated book to tell you how to think and how to live. According to you, God gave me the brain I have and I'm going to use it. You're in no position to tell people how they need to think. As a christian, you should be tolerant. Learn to be ok with people who think differently.
columbia5052005 5 years ago
THIS IS ANYTHING BUT ORDERLY...hes a friggn moron. Just maybe we ARE in the transition to disorder. That's not a hard thought to grasp...err!
SacredGamer 5 years ago
I apologize for instigating such anger in you. God bless.
atparks13 5 years ago
I just love this. The creationist folk believe they can disprove evolution by questioning things like the big bang. Clear proof they don't understand science.
Come see why intelligent design is wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2SVMKZhV2g
cdk007 5 years ago
One possible explanation can be: The Devel placed all those fossils there to lure us away from God. What creationists don't like about science is that cannot give 100% certainty. When you are used to believing that a book is correct on every issue (even though it contradicts itself and modern science), it is a real downer to use science to get to the truth. (I wonder if atparks13 is coming back).
asm82 5 years ago
Back then we were mammals living under the ground (hiding from Dinosaurs).
snatchpro 5 years ago
If Humans were walking on Earth at this time then we'd be extinct, right? Dinosaurs and Humans never walked on the Earth at the same time. We came about 56 million years later. The records are in the rocks, my friend.
snatchpro 5 years ago
atparks13 doesn't think that dinosaurs were killed by a comet. He told me, "That was never proven." This has been proven. The KT Boundaries all over the world prove that there was a huge and catastrophic event that wiped out the dinosaurs about 65 million years ago and they can tell how many years the Earth was blanketed by ash and know that no volcano's eruption could blanket the entire Earth for that long.
snatchpro 5 years ago
I am from Rotterdam, I have always lived there, so I don't know how it is to devote your youth to Jesus. And I know that there exists a certain amount of drugs that allows you to debate a religious person and still be able to form coherent thoughts. (I don't know if atparks13 will return, but I really enjoyed the discussion). Enjoy!
asm82 5 years ago
OMG: also 24, where are you from? :P
asm82 5 years ago
Nice! I'm from Oegstgeest (near Amsterdam), and you? Btw, I was not in any way drugged when typing these things yesterday. ;) In the village where I grew up christians where everywhere, but now I'm at university most of the people here think more like me.
JustJohan 5 years ago
atparks13, maybe until tomorrow, otherwise: enjoy your life, every (Godgiven) day.
asm82 5 years ago
Hehe, JustJohan, just saw in your profile you are also from The Netherlands. It's 4:02 AM right now, I think it is also time for me to go to bed. And to atparks13: I really enjoyed this discussion, as JustJohan most likely can tell you: we don't have that many Christians in our country. So this was at least a eye-opening experience. Funny thing about us is that we more or less legalized drugs so talking about feelings of bliss is a bit more practical for us. ;-)
asm82 5 years ago
before I go to sleep, that it is remarkable to see how any newborn of any faith can always agree exactly on all other faiths why they are wrong, except their own. :) makes one wonder doesn't it? Last week spoken to a muslim, maybe tomorrow with a budhist...
JustJohan 5 years ago
... or Muslims, or Hindus, or Jews, or Animists, or Humanists, or Native American Religion-followers, or Aboriginals, or Mormons. You see, all those guys just end up in Hell. Because God has written His Holy Book in such a way it has the same credibility as the Quran and all other holy scriptures that are obviously written by man. (And this remark is not scoffing, this is just concluding.)
asm82 5 years ago
Come on, lighten up, you started by calling scientists liars who know that evolution is false but still try to sell it. I like to see myself as open-minded, but giving the heart some intelligence is soohw 2nd century BCE. I apologize, I am really not mad, I just think you are now not only attacking evolution scientists, but also regular doctors. Let us focus at the problem at hand: why should someone start believing in a god? Try to forgive me; I am sure Jesus said something about that.
asm82 5 years ago
Great question. Because God created us to glorify Him. We are here because of Him. Romans 1:20-23 says this, "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles."
atparks13 5 years ago
There's your heart reference.Though I know it's hard for atheists and agnostics to accept we have souls and hearts that guide our love for fellow man, it's true. We love from our heart. Our actions are done by two ways: 1) what makes us feel good or 2) what glorifies God. We glorify God to show our love to Him. Our love comes from our heart. If God doesn't change our hearts we stay stale and hard-hearted - non-believers.
atparks13 5 years ago
The reason Jesus gave us to believe in God is part what He said and what He did. He told us He would defeat death to prove the gospel and He did it. That should be reason enough.
atparks13 5 years ago
Hmm, I would like to see discussions not only peaceful, but also reasonable... As an instrument in the hands of God, to make me see why these things you say are a holy truth, I would expect you to stay away from logical pitfalls like circular reasoning and just stating that you're right over and over again without supporting that with something solid.
JustJohan 5 years ago
Remember, I have not (yet) accepted the bible, therefore any argument that is mainly based on quotes from the scripture I will not (yet) consider valid. Please understand from neutral point of view such reasonings are inherently flawed. (I would like to add as a side note
JustJohan 5 years ago
Oh and here we go with the scoffing and mocking that always begins when I engage in discussion with someone about Christ. Why is it that when I discuss Christ and scripture with a non-believer it ALWAYS ends in the non-believer mocking, scoffing or getting mad?
atparks13 5 years ago
Define what you mean by infidel.
atparks13 5 years ago
JustJohan, no problem in joining the discussion, but atparks13 is limited to 3 times 500 characters, so he cannot answer all our questions. But we are now talking about the heart as the central entrypoint of god. And I as an infidel just thought that it was for pumping blood. We learn every day...
asm82 5 years ago
And if it doesn't end that way then the discussion includes it at some point. Like clock-work it never fails.
atparks13 5 years ago
asm82: I do agree with you on that, although maybe you put it somewhat rude. All our actions that can be measured, things we say, things we do, are controlled by our muscles, through our nervecells and ultimately by our brain. Our brain can be considered a very complex infinite state machine in which consequent states follow from previous states of the brain
JustJohan 5 years ago
and inputs through other nervecells. There is no known feedback from the pumping heart I think you both were referring to, other than the data exchange necessary for proper functioning of it as an organ. I agree with atparks13 we should keep this discussion peaceful.
JustJohan 5 years ago
You just explained to me and everyone else why God works through the heart and not the brain. There are 753 references to the heart in scripture. None on the brain. Thank you.
atparks13 5 years ago
Good thing that the understanding of biology and medicine was as good >2000 years ago as it is today! Otherwise this might be due to people making mistakes. How's that sheep-urine balm treating the bad blood near the cut on your finger that let in the evil spirits?
riverwindbonsai 5 years ago
sense of bliss. And evolution full of gaps? If this were the case, the scientific community would abandon this "laughable" theory and find a better, because that is the way science works, but I am ready to hear your problems with evolution (why can't chimps and humans be related, for example?). And a lot of people saw Mohammed ride a horse to heaven, I am just saying...
asm82 5 years ago
When I have listened to a concert, this can give me a happy feeling that lasts a few days. And when I even think about music (like a melody) I need to suppress a smile and try not to hum it when I am in a public place. Music is one of the most important things that make my life enjoyable, you cannot compare my feelings with yours; music just does 'it' for me. And I feel we miss some irony here: there are a lot of Muslims and Hindus who say that their respective gods cause an everlasting
asm82 5 years ago
I am not going to downtalk your religious experience, but it might be that it is completely produced by your own brain. When I listen to music I really, really love, I feel a very strong sense of bliss, maybe we have the same feeling, you because it feels as if a god gave you an important place in his creation, I because I love music.
asm82 5 years ago
Not a bad try at an explanantion but I would give it an irrefutable no. The thing about your music is that the bliss only lasts as long as the song is playing or as long as you are enjoying it in your brain. The bliss Christ gives a believer is never-ending. The bliss you get from music is NOTHING compared to the bliss Christ gives a believer. It may sound pompous or whatever, but it is the truth.
atparks13 5 years ago
Oh, I'm sorry to interfere with this other discussion, and I'm glad you feel so well, but I have to agree with ams82 that the human brain is very capable in letting us experience a wide range of things. People under the influence of certain drugs for example can experience dancing pink elephants that make them so utterly happy, that it will almost scare us.
JustJohan 5 years ago
VERY important in this matter is that it is absolutely impossible from the perspective of the human being under consideration to tell what is real and what is not. The human brain can be fooled, and if it is (I don't say this necessarily holds for you), there's no way to tell, because your brain itself,
JustJohan 5 years ago
the one apparatus you have always put your trust in, is playing tricks on you. We are but simple beings, if God could bring us in this state of happiness, that means he alters our brain chemistry, so a drug (or possibly something we carry within us) could do it as well. There's no way to tell for sure by introspection it was God even if it was indeed God.
JustJohan 5 years ago
layer, or what species will have a lot of DNA in common. Just like the Theory of Gravitation, it doesn't prove anything, it just answers the question why nature is the way it is. And it is falsifiable, very important. "God did it" is just not a valid answer, because we cannot think of anything (hypothetical) that would contradict this explanation (that's why it is not science). Creationism is believing something, not because of lack of evidence, but in spite of evidence.
asm82 5 years ago
But evidence within the evolutionary is chock-full of flaws, gaps, and suppositions. How any scientist can call it science without cracking a smile is an even bigger mystery than the Holy Trinity.
atparks13 5 years ago
Al right,what do we know so far:To know a god exists,you first have to accept that he exists.Christianity is the only religion that claims to be following the true god.It is true that Muslims don't think their god came down and died on the cross,but they believe that he whispered the truth into Mohammed's ear."Evolution does not prove anything." It is a theory which is very helpful in describing nature and doing predictions about for example the type of fossils you will find in a certain
asm82 5 years ago
Okay - Jesus Christ predicted He would die and rise again and this would be the evidence the world would need to believe the Gospel. Jesus Christ died and was spotted by HUNDREDS of people after He died as alive. Muhammed sat in a cave claimed God whispered in his ear and wrote a book - not even close as to the same...
atparks13 5 years ago
That's only hearsay. There's no contemporary account of Jesus of Nazareth.
brtkrbzhnv 5 years ago
Yes there is. Other than the Bible, there are many other accounts of a man by the name of Jesus hanging from the cross with two other men, both criminals, and being executed in the center for being the 'worst' of them. So yes, there are many other accounts of Jesus other than the Bible, which has also been proven to be true.
Melfox 5 years ago 2
If you weren't bearing false witness you'd give examples. Remember that I said "contemporary".
brtkrbzhnv 5 years ago
Christianity is the ONLY religion that claims its "founder" or "spearhead" is God. That man who claimed Himself God did exist according to historical documents and His body did go inexplicably missing after His death. That man did show Himself three days after He was crucified to people therefore giving proof that He defeated death.
atparks13 5 years ago
When they find a human skeleton in a layer with dinosaurs, I will gladly abandon my "faith" in evolution. What evidence do you need to show you that the bible is fallible?
Flat Earth and Sun revolves around the Earth in the Bible: http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/latest_2003/geocentrism.html
asm82 5 years ago
That's why science works, because the only thing we need is evidence that shows the current theories are false. Showing Jesus or Mohammed was false is impossible, because they are by definition right, even if they are incompatible. "God's true Word is difficult, almost impossible, for a seflish man to follow. We are all selfish..." so you are selfish too, so you will be most likely wrong with regard to God's true word, so I better not listen to you, then?
asm82 5 years ago
YES! That's right. DO NOT LISTEN TO ME. But listen to God's word. Now, I could be a vessel that God chooses to bring the word to you. But go to the book yourself.
atparks13 5 years ago
I wonder, if you would have a loss of memory because you didn't watch carefully while crossing the street during your holiday in Spain, and you wouldn't remember anything about your past and you convictions anymore, lost your passport, nobody there to recognize you... Try to picture that.
JustJohan 5 years ago
In such a situation, given a bible and a koran, the handbook of atheïsm and a thora maybe, and probably also some buddhist books. How would you be able to pick the one and true religion from that? Will you be guided by something holy? If so, why would you while all those others with other religions failed.
JustJohan 5 years ago
If not, are you able to tell what is the best religion from just those books without prejudices? If so, you should be able to tell me without pitfalls in your reasoning why your form of christianity is the best. If not, that would be a real pity. :(
JustJohan 5 years ago
Four years ago - I would not have known. Today I do, because I have been born again and the Holy Spirit resides in me. Non-believers do not understand that because the words of the cross are foolishness for those don't believe. Being a believer is not simply believing your religion is true. Being a believer is having the Holy Spirit indwelling inside of you. Therefore, the person who loses all of that worldly stuff will not lose what they have from the Lord's kingdom.
atparks13 5 years ago
I can not give scientific PROOF that any of this is true. I never have said that and I never will. Evolution does not prove anything. Creation does not prove anything. But i can tell you this, something has truly changed me from the inside out and it was something I had nothing to do with. It was a supernatural transformation that only happens with born again Christians.
atparks13 5 years ago
That Man claimed that this would be the proof that would show that he was God and everything he preached about God's kingdom is the truth. People reject this because we were wired to reject it. The cleansing of newness must be initiated by God and when that happens, one becomes born again and ALL of this stuff makes complete sense then.
atparks13 5 years ago
point was that that causes unneeded problems. Embracing science can cause you to love your god and still have an open mind when thinking about nature. Try to find an argument that serves only your religion. Saying that not everyone shares your believes because they haven't found the true religion yet, doesn't answer the question if yours is really the TRUE religion. Try to find proof that shows that your religion is the right one and apply it so everyone else has no choice than to join you.
asm82 5 years ago
NO ONE will ever get EVERY bit of scripture correct. There are doctrines that Christians argue over - but these issues are minor. With regards to the major points - God's son incarnate, holy trinity, eternal life, John 14:6, John 3:16...etc etc...these issues are the ones that must be understood correctly that makes religions the difference between false and real.
atparks13 5 years ago
Well you named this video"Science Refutes Its Own Laws?",that seems pretty anti-science to me.So therefore I assumed you thought that you had to chose between science and religion,sorry for that.And about "making sense",I said: "making sense (scientifically spoken)",with this I meant following the mainstream scientific community.You have chosen to place a holy scripture before science(which is just reasoning from reality,not perfect,but at least it is free from prejudices),and my
asm82 5 years ago
Yes. Here's what we must do - start with the word of God and look at the scientific evidence to confirm it. Now people disagree with this but why not? God's word is God's word. Look at the insturction booklet he gaves us and confirm it with evidence. Science is NOT free from prejudices as many believe. i.e. With regard to relative dating methods...there is an obvious prejudice here that presupposes an old earth.
atparks13 5 years ago
decide to read up on how the universe actually works (Carl Sagan was mentioned in this thread, he's a good start), you can be religious AND make sense (scientifically spoken).
And about hell and what more: if god loves us so much, why are there so many religions to choose from? Apperently there is no clear winner, if this were the case we decided it centuries ago. If a god exists, he wants us to think for ourselves (we've got a pretty large brain) and to find out how the universe
asm82 5 years ago
"Once you decide to read up on how the universe actually works, you can be religious AND make sense." I agree wholeheartedly. Nowhere in any of my comments or videos do I say that science is all bunk. You are bringing a common fallacy amongst scoffers that creationists completely ignore science - period. This is a lie.
atparks13 5 years ago
"if god loves us so much, why are there so many religions to choose from?" Because people tend to want to "lean on their own understanding" (Psalm 3:5). Many also have "traded the truth of God for a lie". (Romans 1:25) God's true Word is difficult, almost impossible, for a seflish man to follow. We are all selfish, so many people and religions try to make what they want God to be rather than what God is. Great question. Thanks for the comment. God bless. Or in your case - nature bless. :)
atparks13 5 years ago
eternal happyness (well, at least until the end of your life). I sincerely believe that's your right, as long as you don't start molesting abortion doctors and gays. They have rights too, you know.
But I would like to give you one tip: don't take a stance towards the scientific community. There are a lot of Christian scientists and they succeed in combining their work with their believes. In fact, if I were religious, I could see the work of a god in everything I see around me. Once you
asm82 5 years ago
Ahhw, religion, it always makes me happy. The world seems so much more simpler. I as an atheist can really enjoy videos by creationists, because it takes me back to the times when I believed that a guy lived in a whale for three days and so on. So much more simpler, and the world seemed so much more friendly. So I agree: once you decide to free your mind from all reality, you live really lightens up. All you need is a group of people around you that believe the same and you've got a recipe for
asm82 5 years ago
There was a documented modern incident where a man actually was swallowed by a certain species of whale, stayed in the belly of the whale for a day or two and lived to tell about it. This whale is a species that is indigenous in the Middle East. Thanks for the comment.
atparks13 5 years ago
And if you want to know why I know that evolution is a fact, then watch the Carl Sagan video, "Carl Sagan on Evolution", I think that it will put some clearification on my behalf.
snatchpro 5 years ago
Snatch - no "real" evolutionist alive calls evolution a fact.
atparks13 5 years ago
Because real evolutionists call Evolution a scientific theory which is a collection of facts. Something ID is lightyears away from.
manzed 5 years ago
Plus you can't take every phenomenom in existence and simply say, "God did it." That scenario is getting older with every smarter person. Your time is up, my friend.
snatchpro 5 years ago
I never said that.
atparks13 5 years ago
I love every Human on Earth, But belief in God has nothing to do with that. I wish a happy life for every lifeform on Earth. Science proves that will never happen. We're always at war. Sorry that survival of the fittest is an actual step in evolution. Where's your God at when innocent people die in a war that was absoultely not their fault?
snatchpro 5 years ago
God says we can't love people the correct way without a reltionship with God first. God is always here. The "what kind of God would have an innocent person killed" is an escape from the truth. Remember that God made the world perfect with man in perfect union with him. WE SCREWED IT UP - not Him. Placing the blame on him is a lack of taking responsibility for our actions.
atparks13 5 years ago
And you know what, atparks13? A lot of people say that they've seen or talked to, or felt God. If you think that you would be special enough to be imprtant enough for this miraculious occasion makes you a materialist. You're an idiot if you think that you'd be important enough for the creater of existence to see or talk to you. Even though, every Human wishes that they'd be that imprtant. LOL!
snatchpro 5 years ago
This is based on human rationale which is not of God's. God says my thoughts are not your thoughts neither my ways your ways. Just because it does not make logical sense to us does mean God won't do it.
atparks13 5 years ago
It is funny how you use science to disprove science. (which is how science thrives and improves.) Yet when it comes to an actual scientific explanation you resort to saying "god did it". If you are going to criticizie science, you should try to come up with your own answers through science. Saying "god did it" just shows you have no clue how science works.
powerofthepeople 5 years ago
Very nice. Watch (On youtube, "Carl Sagan On Evolution"). If Humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time, then Humans would be extinct right now? I have many more contractions though. Hit me up.
snatchpro 5 years ago
I meant contradictions. LOL!
snatchpro 5 years ago
Why would be they be extinct? There are many species who die out. Yet we are still here...?
atparks13 5 years ago
Hey powerofthepeople. I do have answers based on science. Thanks for the reply.
atparks13 5 years ago
A nice little quote, "Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan".
snatchpro 5 years ago
Enough with the scriptures. I don't believe in God, but I am a polite and decent Human being. I am not violent or prejudice, in any way. I have a lot of friends, sosme agree and some don't. But they still like to be around me. I know people can be Atheist and still be a good person, but you are prejudice against us and think that we are all idiots.
snatchpro 5 years ago
What makes you believe I am prejudice about you and against you? If I were against you I wouldn't be putting the time in to finding scripture to help you. I'd either be ignoring you or insulting you.
atparks13 5 years ago
You think that I am an immoral person and I can't be a good person because I am an Atheist. You said that. You also said that I don't enjoy the life that U do, I love, cherish, and enjoy the brief moment that I have in this demision as much as you do. You're wrong there, my friend.
snatchpro 5 years ago
No. I said NO ONE can be a good person not just atheists. That's the whole point of the gospel.
atparks13 5 years ago
I don't do these videos just to prove people wrong, but in the hope that God will use me to transform those of you who aren't believers into believers so you can enjoy the love of life that I do, not to mention to ensure your eternal life with Christ instead of satan. Snatchpro, my actions are out of love, bro.
atparks13 5 years ago
I used to be lost - unsure of why we were here - going through life just doing the things that made me happy. It sucked. Jesus Christ called me into His kingdom and He transformed me. Now I am free. People think Christianity is a set of rules that keeps you in chains...but it's so awesome and it's liberating and I'm free from the bondage of the crap life deals you. Oh i still get the crap - but I know how to deal with everything in every instance and I'm not of unsure of anything anymore!
atparks13 5 years ago
I love my fellow man - including you - and so does God and Christ, bro!
atparks13 5 years ago
Do a youtube search for Carl Sagan and watch "Carl Sagan on Evolution". Watch the entire thing and listen.
snatchpro 5 years ago
No thank you, But I appreciate the invite.
atparks13 5 years ago
As long as something is a solid body it collects solar radiation on itself, every solid body. We can tell how old something is from Carbon Dating, not Isotope dating. Fact: Dinosaurs existed. Fact: if we were around when the dinosaurs were then we'd be extinct. And I don't need to believe in God to be a good or moral person.
snatchpro 5 years ago
Snatch - with carbon-14 we can only ASSUME how old something is. Any reputable scientist will tell you the problems carbon-14 dating brings. How do you figure we'd be extinct if we were around when dinosaurs were around? Scientists, once again, GUESS or ASSUME how the dinosaurs died...
atparks13 5 years ago
"And I don't need to believe in God to be a good or moral person." Yes you do: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands,no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless;there is no one who does good, not even one."(Rom. 3:10-12)
atparks13 5 years ago
My point on that earlier comment was that, as many fossils we have found, some billions of years old, the oldest fossils we've found of Humans is around 4-10 million years old. Explain that. Are we just looking in the wrong place every single time?
snatchpro 5 years ago
No. Snatch. I expounded on this in another video. But it has to do with worldview and secular scientists assuming things that have never been proven. Furthermore, the dating methods are flawed. The relative dating method, when beginning with scripture dates everything differently than if you leave the scripture out. Isotope dating assumes three things that are not proven. Isotope dating is flawed.
atparks13 5 years ago
Also, snatch. No matter how many times that snatchpro declares evolution as fact, it will still remain a theory. Thanks for tghe comments!
atparks13 5 years ago
There was a species called Trillebites that were around for 300 million years and in those old rocks there is no evidence of humans. Evolution is not a theory, like I said. And I don't see why we need a God to be moral. I am an Atheist, but I respect people and am a polite person.
snatchpro 5 years ago
People need a God to hold them accountable to be moral. We are all born with sinful natures. (Rom. 3:23) Though many people would have you believe that people are good at heart. This is not true. We are apart from God and He wants us to be unified with Him. Christ bridged that gap by dying for us. (John 3:16)
atparks13 5 years ago
Atheists have very good reason to be moral without the accountability of God. Consider that the point of Christianity is to have life and health in this world and the next via salvation through Jesus. Morals for an Atheist are those rules that we agree upon that have worked to bring us more life and health in this life. Since Atheists don't believe in any afterlife there is no need for them to consider Morality in terms of an afterlife.
spdjeanne 4 years ago
Someone proved evoloution? That's new to me!
BuffaloComputainment 5 years ago
Evolution is proven in the sense that it is inevitable. If traits are inherited and can mutate, and if these mutations can affect survival, then evolution has to happen.
drchinface 5 years ago
Yeah, it's all a bunch of false hope that when U die, you'll see everyone that you've known before your death. How can U be so gullable and still promote a specie's evolution? And to me, evolution is all that matters, since evoulution is not a theory, it's a fact? It's been proven. Has a god that governs every interaction in this universe been proven. If you believe in God more than Science, then why don't you pray instead of going to the hospital, just pray? You're a hippocrite! Face it!
snatchpro 5 years ago