Why is it that people just cant stop hatting on someone whos is better than they are or better than someone else? FUCK OFF KOBE HATTERS. Quit hattin'. It's bad for your health.
If jordan would of just shot the ball!..but he tried to get fancy and do some double pump before the shot, but his old ass couldnt do it with the speed he had when he was younger..and koby just put a complete stop to him, stopped him right in his tracks.
i watched all except for maybe 10 of michael jordan (bulls) games. all i gotta say is scottie pippen was a better player than kobe, so what does that say about kobe vs MJ? not even close to MJs level. the 80s and 90s was a much tougher era to play in. with all the rule changes, with just hand checking and all the sissy fouls they call now.....if jordan played in this era, we wouldnt even be having this conversation. jordan would have a field day in this era!!!
POOR LITTLE JORDAN GOT ABSOLUTELY BAMBOOZLED BY KOBE, THEN CRYING ABOUT IT TO THE REFS... MAYBE HE SHOULD'VE SUCKED THEIR DICKS HARDER IN THE LOCKER ROOM LMAO!
In scottie first year as a starter he and jordan go to the eastern conference finals where mj has the worst series of his career, then in the 6th season the win it all. Scottie 2nd season as a starter. Talk about what ever stupid thing somebody said or commercial but you cant argue the facts. Jordan needed pippen and no stupid documentary can make sense of that. Scottie was good from the get go and to be quite honest your full of it.
Great D Kobe.. Way to stay on your feet when mike went for the pump fake. Mike is too official and Kobe had to let em know.. The game is in Good hands with me Sir. Take your Seat.
@BMWM5gpower23 Whoa I dont like Kobe but he made a great play. Call it like it is the Ref aint call it so there for you have to call it like it is a BLOCK
@TheQmartin just cause kobe got away with a foul dont make it right. same thing with kobe getting away with raping that poor girl in denver. its just not right
@BMWM5gpower23 Whoa what No Wait a minute What Dude now you sounding like a true hater um not a kobe fan so that dont phase but the world we live is real dirty thats why you innocent until proven guilty but I'll put up all the money I got on the fact that, that wasn't rape
fuck statts kobe bryant era is harder than mj era aint nobody scores 50 60 70 points in a single but back then everyone was scoring kobe is the greatest
@dilan4me That was probably the most unintelligent thing I've ever heard. the 80's and 90's was a man's game, today is all about faking fouls, and getting into stupid fights that up end not even happening.
@stallionplaya52 exactly, nowadays sports are extremely slow and boring with so many timeouts, fouls and commercial breaks . the refs are ruining the games in every national sport
@dilan4me if kobe were alive in the 80's he wouldn't have seen michael. he wouldn't have his mind stimulated. he wouldn't have the benefits of scientific training better than in his time. Point is... as far athleticism goes, the newer generation will always have an edge. For instance, D. Rose ... but if you think about it.. had he been born in the 60's .. I think he would just end up to be a lesser version of 'isaiah thomas' . Dwight Howard would not even be half the man of a hakeem olajuwon.
@jrrussell29 like dwight howard would shit on hakeem? he can't even dominate an old shaquille o' neal. I mean what does this generation so proud of? if it weren't for the pioneers of basketball.. d rose and the rest would not be here in the first place. you've got a point there... but D rose's heart has yet to be tested. unless and until he can prove it.. he's nothing but hype. just like d wade and lebrick and bosh losing to old school basketball in Dallas. you have a point... 'needs to prove it
@dilan4me don`t you think that the reason as to why nobody scores those numbers is cuz they just ain`t that good as back in the day??¿?¿?¿? even though this era`s rules were designed to make penetration to the rim more easily and that players would exhibit higher field goals percentage
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The whole elbow thing is fake. The title says "Michael Jordan ELBOWS Kobe Bryant", Then the description says "Kobe Bryant viciously blocks Michael Jordan".
If your going to lie, stick to one story please. THUMBS DOWN
Question, why is it when akeem left the rockets they became bad or why when robinson hurt his knee and back they went from playing for a nba championship to the number 1 pick? Yet when mj leaves pippen gets them 55 wins,sweep of there 1st round matchup, mvp of the all-star game not to mention every ring the bulls won pippen averaged more rebounds,assists,blocks and steals then mj. Scottie is a top 3 sf of all time and the best perimeter defender of all-time or did mj do that to?
@Kdaddy61987 pip the best perimeter defender of all time?! wtf man, pip a great defender yea. but not the best perimeter defender of all time..he never won DPOY..
ok so i always stick to position because players always create dis/adv form a offense and defensive stand point, was armstrong better then some of the other pg's who didnt make it? No but he was in the ball park so hes better then most but not as good as the best. In my honest opionion mj and kobe are both overrated, kobe couldnt beat nash when they had equal teams and mj and the bulls struggled to win period untill scottie got there but thats one persons eye.
@Kdaddy61987 lol out men.. you have no sense of timeline actually... 1987 Pippen was a nobody who had to learn from Michael.. are you not surprised he's 'jordanesque' in some ways? Pippen wasn't like Gasol or an Odom who entered to join kobe who were already stars. Pippen had to earn it. If you said that Pippen entered the Bulls then the Bulls won a championship.. then i can't belive it's ironic for a name because you have 1987 in your name..as in Kdaddy61987.
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jordan is the one that actually gets elbowed in the head. it should have been a whistle blown, because not did kobe elbow him with the foul, mj also travels.
Michael Jordan's had 6 teammates enshrined into the Hall of Fame. Kobe Bryant's had none so far but it can be easily said Shaq's going for sure. So one Hall of Fame teammate. Who had the stacked team? How many rings has Shaq won without Kobe? ONE. I'm not trying to start the MJ - KB debate. All I'm saying is it is debatable. Kobe's one of the greatest possibly the greatest clutch/closer, fundamentally sound players + he's had to carry teams his entire career. Gasol + LA may have been good@1time.
@IPrefer2Win I'll break this down for you. 91-93 bulls lineup vs post-shaq era lakers. Jordan vs Kobe = Bulls, Pippen vs Ariza/Artest = Bulls... Here's the rest: Armstrong vs Fisher = LA, Cartwright vs Gasol/Bynum = LA, Grant vs Gasol/Odom = LA, Benga vs Perdue = draw, Radmanovic vs King/Williams/Nealy/Levingston= LA, McCray vs Walton = LA, Paxson vs Farmar/Vuyacic = LA. You figure out the rest... 6 hall of famers eh? you see the Bulls' around Jordan and Pip are set up players mostly.
@batoattack Grant vs Gasol/Odom = Grant by a long shot also i cannot possibly believe you gave the advantage to LA on the Paxon vs Farmar/Vuyacic comparison hahahahaha........um how old are you ? lol do you know basketball? and this is coming from a NY Knicks fan who hated Jordan and his Bulls
@ODDNOMAD Defensively.. Grant by a long shot.. i agree. but Gasol and Odom are players who can create plays in some ways .. especially odom. Paxon vs Farmar/Vuyacic.. i'm basing it on their agility.. hmmm on the second thought perhaps you're right if we are to base it in basketball IQ.
@batoattack defense and rebounding is what grant will be in there for. he is way tougher than Odom, vuyacic and farmar's athleticism would be negated because kobe wont want to facilitate to them, especially if he is getting Jordan's mental abuse of smacktalk. ironically Paxon would have fit better with L.A
@ODDNOMAD it's the offense I'm talking about .. I'm trying to argue with some KOBetards here that in 91-93 Jordan really, almost literally had the offense revolved around him. You have a great all around in Pippen but lacks consistency in offense.. You have a Grant who's great defensively and rebounds and put backs... the rest of the players like pax and armstrong waits for the Jordan Kick-outs.
@batoattack i have no problem with you arguing that mj is better then kobe because hes alot better but dont belittle the other players to do so. Pippen scored 40 points in a game where mj scored 40 and scottie could score at will had he been given more shots and also armstrong was a all-star the year mj left for baseball and grant played for a title with orlando without mj so obviously they knew something about winning. I mean the bulls won 55games without mj so they were pretty good team.
@Kdaddy61987 for a reference watch ths video : ?v=u69SCU79_O0( "Is Michael Jordan The Greatest Ever? Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, Kenny Smith). Ainge couldn't say it any better: ".. his will was contagious... he made them better." Note:Kukoc,Harper,Kerr, Longley were added after the Jordan1-Era. So I hope you didn't mix it up. Armstrong & Grant allstar. I hope you understood how all star selection is done, right? i mean, where was armstrong after the Bulls? Grant well.. mediocre
@batoattack so what, shaq has said akeem is the best ever, kareem has said wilt is the best player ever, russel said cousy was the best player ever. Everyone has a opionion just because people say it doesnt make it true. Grant played for a championship without jordan in orlando, kerr won 2 more with the spurs, harp[er with the lakers pippen has always played for a ring without mj. Look at kobe without shaq and pau, jordan needed pippen as much as pippen needed jordan.
@Kdaddy61987 I respect your opinion thing. But you have to go back this thread to iprefer2win... who claimed Kobe had "no HOF" teammates(it's true for how can one be enshrined if one is still playing, right?) anyways ... iprefer2win's point is that KOBE win it without great teammates. NOW THAT's LAME. so before you want to add another matrix of endless debates... try to be minimal as much as possible. stick to the proposition who had the better teammates? Orlando's main men were Shaq and Penny.
@Kdaddy61987 just a sidenote: was armstrong better say against a joe dumars or a m. blaylock or a steve smith just because they didn't make it to the all star games that year? how about grant was he better than say Rodman who didn't make it that year? Okay granting Kerr was the key to the Spurs(just to leave that argument out) ... Just stick to the 91-93 lineup i said. So nevermind the 72-10 Bulls... they are the greatest team ever. No argument there.
@Kdaddy61987 regarding Pippen. I hope you knew too that Phil drew a play for kukoc the winning shot over Pippen against the NY in 94, i mean you know this right? Pippen was a great compliment of Jordan but he could never take the place of Jordan in the system. Jordan was like a 6-6 Olajuwon if you may. he is the best post player who is a guard... of all time. BUt it's easy to tell you're not a Bulls' fan so i can forgive you with that .-- You haven't watch too many Jordan1-era Bulls games.
@batoattack so what he also drew up a ply for derek fisher so what does that mean? You remember him drawing up plays for kwame off of inbound plays? Hes a coach, also if you say mj was the best ever how come they almost won a nba championship without him? They took the knicks to 7 games and the knicks went 7 in the nba finals. The bulls swept there 1st round opponent in the playoffs and pippen was named mvp of the all-star game the year mj was gone. I hope you know your nutt hugging mj
@Kdaddy61987 here are the points you didn't face. even dwane wade draws a play for lebron and versa. all i'm saying is.. fisher had options.. he can create his own play as a player.. just like when he hit that dagger against orlando in their first championship without shaq. 2nd... You always don't recognize the argument that kukoc, myers, harper later on, longley... while Grant was still there. So that's how many players rotate for MJ? did you ever understand what i was presenting?
@batoattack i understand but i feel you push to hard, people talk about kobe and mj at the same level which there not but you knock some these other guys who were awesome, kukoc was still near his prime even though he was playing pro in like 86. All these guys were older but there purpose in the offense was to make open shots at rebound. They played bigger parts because they accepted the roles given to them, fisher is that good but is a little lucky and a solid shooter therefore got a few to dro
@Kdaddy61987 like i said no timeline. Kukoc entered 1994 when Jordan retired. The argument with me and iprefer2win is 'who has won a championship with lesser stars on a team'? Like I said, I have no qualms with kukoc being great and rodman, and longley but that's the 2nd threepeat run. that's why i specifically emphasized 91-93 seasons which i think didn't register in your mind.. you keep mixing it up. Kobe had always superstars of plenty whether in the shaq era or in the post shaq era PERIOD.
@batoattack im sorry but you seem to feel that mj made pippen which i absouletly hate, at no point in h.s,in college or in his nba career in the off seasons and the weight room, watching film and practting his shot and was he thinking i got to do this cause of jordan. At no point did mj make pippen better, i dont give credit to shaq for making kobe better and mj doesnt get any special treatment. Mj didnt give pippen his drive or athletism so dont ever sit here on a computer and call him jordanes
@Kdaddy61987 Shaq didn't make Kobe better. You're adding a whole new proposition.why is it everytime i ask you to stick to one you kept diverting. I only asked you to stick to 1991-1993 and you kept including kukoc. in Kobe's case, he was handpicked by LA's scouts as havin potential. Pippen was a long shot by Jerry Krause. But don't try to pretend too much. for a start . Watch the video "Michael Jordan's Playground." There's a segment there about Pippen ;).
@batoattack Lastly dont sit here and call pippen a long shot for he was a walk on at college playing pg and selected as the 5th overrall pick. In college he shot 60% form the field. That is considered a long shot? Seriously your going to call pippen a long shot? A guy who was 6"8, could handle,pass and shoot. Very long and athletic, this guy was a long shot. A guy who averaged more assists,rebounds,steals and blocks EVERY time the bulls won a ring, A guy who averaged 21-7-7-2-1 in 91-92 ........
@batoattack Wait your going to call pippen a long shot? A guy who was a walk on and played pg for college, a guy who scored over 20pts per game and shot at 60% in college. A guy picked as the 5th overral pick and was 6"8,super athletic and had pg skills with the ability to score, your gonna say hes a long shot? A guy who averaged MORE rebounds,assists,steals and blocks then mj EVERY YEAR THEY WON A RING. A guy who averaged 21-7-7-2-1 in 91-92. How about you watch some bball without mj in it.
@Kdaddy61987 Don't compare MIchael's "built around thing" with Gasol or kobe or lebrick who need to join hands with superstars. My point is Pippen was not a superstar when he joined MJ. Clear? Okay I missed Pippen's stats in College but he was still a nobody. If he was, The Bulls would not hesitate him to put in the first 5. It's not a rookie thing actually, good rookies will earn first 5 by showing it in practice. Try to wiki pippen"JOrdan is his ***MOTIVATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL MENTOR***
@Kdaddy61987 Again wiki PIPPEN: EARLY YEARS. ***JORDAN IS HIS MOTIVATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL MENTOR*** TAKE NOTE: ***REFINED*** HIS SKILLS. Like I said, watch MJ's Playground Documentary where Pippen actually learned so much from Michael.. But I agree with you, he has potentials.. but He would not be pippen today if not --to be modest-- 30% of MJ's influence. You need to know.. MJ was defensive player of the year. in 1988. MJ has so many tricks in steals.. start with Malone in 1998 game 6. ;)
@Kdaddy61987 excuse me mate? steals? you better slow down. 2.7, 2.3, 2.8 for jordan in first 3 peat. and 2.2 in their 4th. Pippen? 2.4.1.9, 2.1. and 1.7 in their 4rth. In their 5th and 6th, 1.9 and 1.8 . Jordan registered 1.7 each. that's not too big for a difference right? .. Do you want to talk stats about the playoffs? ;)
@Kdaddy61987 Just wondering.. were you the one who asked me how old i am right now? i am in my mid 30's.. if you really are in basketball for a long time.. even those NIKE COMMERCIALS IN THE 90's documented that MJ-PIPPEN scrimmaging against each other..and it's because it was a reflection of reality within the Bulls... OR try listening to Pippen's Hall of Fame speech. If this won't convinced you that Jordan had influence on pippen then.. i think this case is closed. Ask Pippen I think. lol
@batoattack Wow so a guy gives a little credit maybe a little inspiration and now he makes him? You hear jordan in his speech? All he talked about was himself, seriously pippen was always a team guy and that relates to him on and off the court. Every player has influences, right now kidd says dirk has made him a better shooter, does having dirk there help yes but it was kidd who spent his time in the gym, in the off season, before and after games putting in the time to make his own game better.
@Kdaddy61987 are you retarded man? comparing kidd and dirk relationship with mj/pippen relationship??? can anyone tell me if this analogy is correct. Alright.. Pippen was the leader of Arkansas.. but where does that team ranked??? he was the only one.. and when he came into the league.. he was a "NOBODY"!!!!>.... DIRK and KIDD came into the league.. as rookies destined to be franchise players..
@batoattack lastly i would never ask another person there opionion when so close to the situation, pippen and jordan success is intertwined in one another. When people like barkely say pippen was the best permiter defender ever, that has meaning cause he played against him. Also you bring up meaning less things. As someone who works really hard it frustrating to hear people bring up things like commercials. Pippen doesnt self promote so now is forced to a backseat which is wrong Open your eyes
@Kdaddy61987 did you ever paid attention to what i said???? how many days was it before you replied... and i'm sick and tired of you telling me stupid things.. when all i said is pay attention as to how pippen came in the NBA!!!! are you really old??? because you're bringing up things that are your opinion. and i'm showing you .. leading you to documentaries... about jordan's influence on pippen..and all you can say is that jordan was arrogant in his HOF speech?does it negate the pippen issue?
@batoattack also the question is are you retarded, everyone said that you couldnt win a ring with dirk cause hes to soft, people didnt want him to be the franchise player in dallas and the fans didnt even want him to be a the man in dallas, people like magic and bird have said that they never really cared for dirk till this year, which shows there knowledge of basketball is a little bit of a joke, also your comments are other peoples opionions not facts so get your shit straight.
@Kdaddy61987 i brought up commercials because it was a reflection of reality... a reality that has been documented in documentaries. It's funny that... the issue of Pippen here cannot be negated by MJ"s HOF speech.. You have to hear it in PIPPEN'S HOF SPEECH.. right??? I mean... that's the issue right rhat jordan was the man and not pippen. I think a thousand players and a thousand experts have seen the bulls and i have never heard... that Pippen could have taken over the BUlls instead of jordan
@batoattack question what are you talking about? Where did mj take the team before pippen got there? Jordan was a monster the 2nd he came into the nba but thats a individual aspect. he didnt make players around him better. 1st season lost in 1st round, 2nd season swept by boston in 1st round, 3rd season the team won 40 games and swept in the 1rst round again by boston, 4rth season (year scotte to the bulls) out of 1st round loses to detroit in semi, 5th year(scottie 1st season as the starter-)
@Kdaddy61987 hahaha it's too obvious you do not know what you're talking about. Pippen came in together with Horace Grant. Now i'm not saying pippen is not important here. Let's put this argument in perspective coz you're like a dog chasing your own tail. I said... Jordan vs Kobe... Jordan had shitty teammates outside Pippen and Grant. that's clear. our argument was clear... you outrightly said that Pippen was like a Gasol or a Lebron joining Jordan... and that Jordan was riding on Pip's back.
@batoattack so wait role player such as a paxson and a sold center arent good players anymore? Bj armstrong being a a good point guard doesnt mean anything and also did i say jordan wasnt the man? No so to be quite honest i dont even understand if you know how to comprehend what im writing to you. Maybe your giving to much credit to jordan and not enough to pippen. Maybe kobe gets to much credit and not enough to gasol, how about that. Take or leave it
@Kdaddy61987 Precisely my friend. JORDAN's CREDIT ALL THE WAY!!! CONCLUSION RIGHT HERE: KOBETARD you are.. hahaha. what would you want me to do???? state all my facts again. forget it. don't try to pretend you're old and you're wise. you're stupid. DIRK??? KIDD??? vs JORDAN/PIPPEN???? you're trying to cover KOBE's ASS by the people who humiliated him? so are you telling me now that I made up the fact that JORDAN WAS LEAGUE, ALL STAR MVP AND DEFENSIVE PLAYR of the year? amazing.. are you on drugs
@Kdaddy61987 to begin with.. this was a KOBE vs JORDAN argument. who had the better teammates. this was the meat of the argument. and KOBETARD , as usual, would get lost... going as far as DIRK and KIDD who also happened to kick KOBE's ass lol. yeah this conversation is over.
@Kdaddy61987 yeah that's the point.. armstrong vs fisher???? how many buzzer beaters did fisher made where he doesn't need to be set up???? Cartwright vs Bynum/Gasol??? man even BENGA can match up with this slow footed giant. who else you want to bring up??? eh??? paxson vs fisher??? fisher is a guy who can create his own plays... how about ARIZA/ARTEST??? okay this is granting KOBE < JORDAN AND ARIZA/ARTEST < PIPPEN... you survey the rest. are you really a knick fan?
@batoattack dude im sorry but you keep arguing that jordan was better then kobe and that kobe had a better team which i agree with on both but your trying to knock down on pippen and armstrong which im sorry is a joke in its self. And now your trying to knock fisher who if i dont remind you single handedly took over game 3 in the nba finals vs boston. All you do is talk about players in a negative light except jordan, stop it its embarressing.
@Kdaddy61987 They both had great teams. Jordan's teams were pretty lights out imo. They would just take every mistake you make and make you pay every time. Of course Jordan did have a large hand in making those teams so great. I'd seriously argue that Kobe has had less of an impact on the Lakers.
@Kdaddy61987 1 i never knocked down pip.i even i appreciate him more that he started from scratch.the point that kept slipping your idiotic mind was that you treat pip's entry with the bulls like that of Gasol to LA (a bigtime acquistion).2 your position was to fight for kobe... but it seems you're an idiot tellin me now that "YOU AGREE" with me that KOBE has a better million dollar team... then it's over. 3) i said armstrong is not as good as fisher coz bj is a spot up player than a scorer.
@Kdaddy61987 you're really stupid.you have not understand what i said. can you please paste what i said wrong about fisher?i said fisher was great and unlike armstrong. and that fisher could hit shots by himself--gamewinners that is. I asked a rhetorical question "how many buzzer beaters did fisher made where he doesn't need to be set up????" to prove that point. DUDEEEE HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET??? I cannot both argue that both armstrong and fisher sucks otherwise i would be shooting my own foot.
@Kdaddy61987 To continue.. there are factors my friend. 1) Jordan got better.. 1988.. Defensive player of the year, allstar mvp, and league mvp... digest that. 2) Okay... I'm a pippen fan. and yes Pippen came out great in his sophomore year... 3) Grant from Clemson was also great... CONCLUSION: Pippen happened to be in the Bulls when they started rolling. But it doesn't mean he was the lone factor for the BUlls' success. worst.. you're trying to take jordan out of the picture. funny. very funny
@Kdaddy61987 As a rookie... Pippen comes off the bench.. ave. to around 7 points only. He is not the pippen as you know him today. It's not like Gasol joining LA with an established reputation and Odom etc.. The Bulls except Jordan and Grant(clemson tigers) had to start from scratch. Unlike today's teams who could just trade stars after stars, The Bulls patiently built it around Jordan. I'm not taking the credit away from PIp but All their motivations started from the focal point: AIR JORDAN.
@batoattack That doesnt change anything, pippen was coming off the bench and not getting a whole lot of minutes which says 2 things, 1 he didnt get enough time in game and had to work on his actual game and 2 the 2nd thing is he put the work in. There is a ton of guys who can run fast,jump high and have handles but do they put time in the other aspects such as film room,learning defenses approaches to your teams offense and your ability to ajust in game, pippen was one opf the best ever.
@batoattack also everyteam builds around there star player, way to state the obvious. Gasol was getting players to surround him when they made the playoffs, just like kg,ray allen, paul pierce,lebron james,melo and so forth and so forth. What teams win it all? Most of the time the team with the more talented group, jordan early lost to the pistons,celtics and many times didnt make the playoffs, what happened? Look at the heat this year, in there 1st year together nba finals, coincidence?
@IPrefer2Win sorry but kobe was not even the "man" on his own championship winning team....SHAQ WAS. which is why kobe lacks those NBA Finals MVP awards......last i checked Jordan has 6 of those to go along with his 6 rings....and oh btw Jordan did it without the presence of a dominant "Big Man".....and Kobe Bryant is not the greatest closer/clutch shooter of all time, Michael Jordan is.....his FG% compared to Kobes is not even close or remotely in the ballpark....jordan has done more with less
@ODDNOMAD More with less? 6 Hall of Fame teammates is surely less. And we're not comparing Google-d stats you fucking moron. His FG% has nothing to do with clutch/closing. Kobe's the best at it, no arguement. Turn your t.v. on and you'll hear any major analyst say it. I'm not taking credit away from MJ. I'm just saying don't think he was a one man game winning machine. Chances are with him, you'll win but him on the Bulls = virtually guaranteed victory.
@IPrefer2Win you think kobe is the most clutch player ever? youre an idiot. or 12 years old. even on percentages alone kobe is the most overrated clutch player. during the last 24 seconds of a game when the game is either tied, or if he is down by 1 or 2 points, kobe is 36-115. thats a disgusting percentage. in the same situation, jordan is 33-58. melo is 21-44. and you know what the worst part is? kobe has just 1 assist in that situation.
@IPrefer2Win do you think these players (while great) would be HOF without Jordan? maybe scottie. kobe plays with great players, jordan makes the players around him great....btw stop gettin emotional
1 block don't make a difference. it's just kobe losers trying to make the best out of this one. Kobe can't even post up that well. doesn't have the strength and patience that MJ had. he is more of a face-up offensive player. Unfortunately, when you get older you can't pull too many moves like that. Hang me, but LA will not win another ring with kobe in the years to come. Hello OKC, Chicago.
People give it a rest mj was great when he was great there is no going back there kobe is now and great now well not to me I like wade but kobe is now everyone would love to get everybody in they're prime at the same time but its not possible so stick to 2k go on wit your lives
kobe needs scoring big man in the middle to take off some outside pressure. Shaq needs an outside scoring threat to take off inside pressure. Jordan dealt with both inside and outside pressure on his own. kobe needed shaq-shaq needed kobe. Jordan's just on a different class from them.
@KingDusto11 well im a lakers fan probally explains much huh lol bt yea shaq was beast in his prime but i was talking bout now that both parted ways. shaqs performance level has dropped unlike kobes has stayed consistent throughout his whole career
@1billion1deaths1 How many times has shaq made it to the finals and bbecame MVP while not playing for Lakers. Now think about this how many times has Kobe done it since SHaq left.Twice!! Kobe is better then shaq in every prospective. SHaq isnt as good without kobe and kobe is great with whatever supporting cast he has.
@MegaChadOchocinco In their primes the only person on Shaq's level is Michael Jordan,Shaq was fucking unstoppable and Kobe had Shaq while he was in his prime,Shaq put up 40-20-5-5 on a regular basis.And because of Kobe's bitchiness and jealously they only won 3 championships when they should've had 5 titles.If it wasn't Shaq,Kobe wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Michael.Shaq was so good that he would've won titles anyway.So Kobe fans should worship Shaq, and I'm a Bulls fan by the way
Truth!!! Shaq under Phil Jackson's triangle offense could have won a ring with any wing player (Vince, AI, Tracy etc...). Kobe was replaceable on the Lakers during Shaq's era with Phil leading the way.
This the Jordan move that everybody nowdays call "Kobe's move"... don't think so. Young bucks gotta do some homework, Jordan did it to Kobe, why you think Kobe does it?
Btw in this All-star game, Jordan hit the game-winning shot until Jermaine O'neal fouled Kobe by the 3-pt line w/ 1 sec left in the game, which made it go into overtime.
@MaxFlowRSX Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Joe Johnson, Craig Hodges (lakers shooting coach) & Tim Grover (fitness coach who trained MJ, kobe, wade & lebron) all said if MJ played today he would average 40-50 ppg.
@MrSouthphillyitalian people better recognize.....you could tell that michael jordan respected kobe's game, and knew something that millions of basketball fans don't care to acknowledge...if these two guys went one on one, it would go down to the absolute last point.....all this talk about the change in rules, kobe would have balled in the 80's and the 90's period
@scorpionJB kobe fucken sucks!! he only gots 2 rings in my book, the other 3 he rode shaqs dick for. t-mac is better then kobe with no rings. Shaq and t-mac would of gone for 6 for 6.
@1billion1deaths1 man please, T-MAC has never smelled anything beyond the 1st round of the playoffs, and he didn't play defense, not even close....T-MAC had yao ming during the 2007 playoffs, houston lost game 7 of the first round against utah at home.....even T-MAC has said on plenty occasion that KOBE was the best in the league....Shaq's been with 4 different squads since leaving L.A.....I love Shaq, but who's the real frontrunner...KOBE 5 rings, SHAQ 4 rings....case been closed...
@scorpionJB thats all time retardedness, shaq was mvp in all of the 3 championship with the lakers, wen shaq left lakers ended kobe wanted to be traded he was going nowhere. How many times has kobe been the mvp in the finals? 2? yea only 2 times.
@MegaSplash1 Kwame Brown can dunk on anyone of us anyday. He might be one of the worst players of the NBA, but compared to us, he's like another Shaq.
@IGattsI this is the argument one always fall back on when they try to shortchange Kobe's accomplishment, and they know good and well the conversation centers around superstar players leading their teams vs. role players making contributions.....peers, opponents, coaches, and scouts have said time and time again that Kobe was the best basketball player/talent in the league from 2001-2010 on a year to year basis, Alvin Gentry said it during the conclusion of the WCF'S last year lolll
@IGattsI at the end of the day....KOBE 5 rings, SHAQ 4 rings, Shaq has been frontrunning since the 2007 playoffs when his miami heat (w/d-wade) got swept in the first round of the playoffs by the upstart chicago bulls, defending champs out in the first round, then forced a trade to phoenix where they didn't even make the playoffs in 2009, then took that train to cleveland and said "i'm a win one for the king", ousted in the 2nd round, and went to boston and played 8 total minutes
Why is it that people just cant stop hatting on someone whos is better than they are or better than someone else? FUCK OFF KOBE HATTERS. Quit hattin'. It's bad for your health.
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@franmicgom right after you stop sucking kobes!
sutton0607 2 weeks ago
Hey man whenever you stop sucking kobes!
sutton0607 2 weeks ago
michael sticks his tongue out even he gets blocked..............i though he does that when he pulls a killer move........
avhiphop 1 month ago
240p... we meet again....
shadawz 1 month ago 2
If jordan would of just shot the ball!..but he tried to get fancy and do some double pump before the shot, but his old ass couldnt do it with the speed he had when he was younger..and koby just put a complete stop to him, stopped him right in his tracks.
FightMang36 2 months ago
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itZjstPotna 2 months ago
i watched all except for maybe 10 of michael jordan (bulls) games. all i gotta say is scottie pippen was a better player than kobe, so what does that say about kobe vs MJ? not even close to MJs level. the 80s and 90s was a much tougher era to play in. with all the rule changes, with just hand checking and all the sissy fouls they call now.....if jordan played in this era, we wouldnt even be having this conversation. jordan would have a field day in this era!!!
julica119 2 months ago
UM, i love the part where MJ elbows kobe
sportscollectorguy 2 months ago
idc ima be 6'
gsingh96 3 months ago
which pixel is he?!
AvEryBadApPLe 3 months ago
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POOR LITTLE JORDAN GOT ABSOLUTELY BAMBOOZLED BY KOBE, THEN CRYING ABOUT IT TO THE REFS... MAYBE HE SHOULD'VE SUCKED THEIR DICKS HARDER IN THE LOCKER ROOM LMAO!
franmicgom 3 months ago
In scottie first year as a starter he and jordan go to the eastern conference finals where mj has the worst series of his career, then in the 6th season the win it all. Scottie 2nd season as a starter. Talk about what ever stupid thing somebody said or commercial but you cant argue the facts. Jordan needed pippen and no stupid documentary can make sense of that. Scottie was good from the get go and to be quite honest your full of it.
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
Kobe > MJ
Chxney 3 months ago
jordan is a gamer... after being blocked he is still having fun before hoisting that shot with his tongue out. still G.O.A.T.
dalilbunnyfufu 3 months ago
Old people will ALWAYS say players they watched are better than the players of today. So no sense in arguing lol
outcold32 3 months ago
haha kobe made jordan look like a bitch, im just saying he milked the goat to plainly put it
leaderofsithclan 3 months ago
on top of all the bullshit the quality sucks
623hey 3 months ago
Great D Kobe.. Way to stay on your feet when mike went for the pump fake. Mike is too official and Kobe had to let em know.. The game is in Good hands with me Sir. Take your Seat.
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alfjuns20 3 months ago
MJ just being a little bitch cuz he got swatted by kobe
u gotta get blocked sometime
littleprincess217 3 months ago
Air was slowly becoming a fart.
AndreaTaroppio 3 months ago
If you look really closey, you can see Lebron running down the court like a running back with a second ball.
ShawdowRaptor 3 months ago
who ever said lebron traveled is a gay faggot
OneMillionDunks 3 months ago
Michael Jordan is human he is supposed to get blocked by someone Kobe just showed us great defense... No foul
brianelihu 4 months ago
@brianelihu You right but some of his fans dont believe it so you gotta put videos like this to remind them
TheQmartin 3 months ago
FOUL
BMWM5gpower23 4 months ago
@BMWM5gpower23 You trippin
TheQmartin 3 months ago
@TheQmartin kobe hit him in the eblow when he went up
BMWM5gpower23 3 months ago
@BMWM5gpower23 your on crack no he didn't :s
nathandaignault 3 months ago
@BMWM5gpower23 Yeah he got him on the left elbow but it was still a great play you just gotta suck it up Mj cant win all the battles
TheQmartin 3 months ago
@TheQmartin i know MJ is not perfect. i just call it like it is, unlike kobe lovers which ignore what really happened.
BMWM5gpower23 3 months ago
@BMWM5gpower23 Whoa I dont like Kobe but he made a great play. Call it like it is the Ref aint call it so there for you have to call it like it is a BLOCK
TheQmartin 3 months ago
@TheQmartin just cause kobe got away with a foul dont make it right. same thing with kobe getting away with raping that poor girl in denver. its just not right
BMWM5gpower23 3 months ago
@BMWM5gpower23 Whoa what No Wait a minute What Dude now you sounding like a true hater um not a kobe fan so that dont phase but the world we live is real dirty thats why you innocent until proven guilty but I'll put up all the money I got on the fact that, that wasn't rape
TheQmartin 3 months ago
Its all star game ..
Rondooooooooooo 4 months ago
I thought it was a foul when you come down on the shooter? Refs like let em' play
mikecvcc08 4 months ago
@mikecvcc08 Not a foul
TheQmartin 3 months ago
oh there is the ball
oh no... its other pixel
XComPointer 4 months ago
ooh and wearing tru blues too lol
mrcash193 4 months ago
Air Jordan...
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rabbitjerseys 4 months ago
was this recorded with a potatoe?
FEENPC 4 months ago
@FEENPC not funny...
ownmycity 4 months ago
@FEENPC douche
brutalslamdeath 4 months ago
Every player gets blocked once in a while. Good or bad.
bigguyviet100 4 months ago
i agree that Michael Jordan indeed HAS elbows.....but i can't see where they connect to Kobe Bryant
ladidu 4 months ago
Jordan get that weakness outta here... KB24
hyperoptic904 4 months ago
@hyperoptic904 JORDAN IS STILL THE BEST !!!! MJ23
argentina251 4 months ago
This video wasn't filmed with a potatoe, it was filmed with a really, really bad camera
Keeve5 4 months ago
fuck statts kobe bryant era is harder than mj era aint nobody scores 50 60 70 points in a single but back then everyone was scoring kobe is the greatest
dilan4me 4 months ago
@dilan4me That was probably the most unintelligent thing I've ever heard. the 80's and 90's was a man's game, today is all about faking fouls, and getting into stupid fights that up end not even happening.
stallionplaya52 4 months ago 13
@stallionplaya52 So fucking true, just leave this noob alone. the 80 and 90 where the best years in bball
lalalaelfullin 3 months ago
@stallionplaya52 exactly, nowadays sports are extremely slow and boring with so many timeouts, fouls and commercial breaks . the refs are ruining the games in every national sport
VentureRecordings 3 months ago
@stallionplaya52 it was tougher i agree but people have been faking fouls since the begining of basketball and every sport...
MsExampleone 2 months ago
@dilan4me if kobe were alive in the 80's he wouldn't have seen michael. he wouldn't have his mind stimulated. he wouldn't have the benefits of scientific training better than in his time. Point is... as far athleticism goes, the newer generation will always have an edge. For instance, D. Rose ... but if you think about it.. had he been born in the 60's .. I think he would just end up to be a lesser version of 'isaiah thomas' . Dwight Howard would not even be half the man of a hakeem olajuwon.
batoattack 4 months ago
derrick rose would shit on the 60 70 80 90 s come on dude
jrrussell29 4 months ago
@jrrussell29 like dwight howard would shit on hakeem? he can't even dominate an old shaquille o' neal. I mean what does this generation so proud of? if it weren't for the pioneers of basketball.. d rose and the rest would not be here in the first place. you've got a point there... but D rose's heart has yet to be tested. unless and until he can prove it.. he's nothing but hype. just like d wade and lebrick and bosh losing to old school basketball in Dallas. you have a point... 'needs to prove it
batoattack 4 months ago
@dilan4me don`t you think that the reason as to why nobody scores those numbers is cuz they just ain`t that good as back in the day??¿?¿?¿? even though this era`s rules were designed to make penetration to the rim more easily and that players would exhibit higher field goals percentage
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wwelam 4 months ago
fuck kobe michael is legent!
mitrorepp 4 months ago
You guys are all blind and don't know shit about Jordan or basketball. The greatest threw an elbow, admit it.
JiveDG 4 months ago
The whole elbow thing is fake. The title says "Michael Jordan ELBOWS Kobe Bryant", Then the description says "Kobe Bryant viciously blocks Michael Jordan".
If your going to lie, stick to one story please. THUMBS DOWN
AnxiouSx0936MGO 4 months ago 71
@AnxiouSx0936MGO its fake but ur wrong it says Michael Jordan ELBOWS Kobe Bryant after getting Blocked by him so he was right
xXMLG23Xx 3 months ago
Question, why is it when akeem left the rockets they became bad or why when robinson hurt his knee and back they went from playing for a nba championship to the number 1 pick? Yet when mj leaves pippen gets them 55 wins,sweep of there 1st round matchup, mvp of the all-star game not to mention every ring the bulls won pippen averaged more rebounds,assists,blocks and steals then mj. Scottie is a top 3 sf of all time and the best perimeter defender of all-time or did mj do that to?
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 pip the best perimeter defender of all time?! wtf man, pip a great defender yea. but not the best perimeter defender of all time..he never won DPOY..
manakoebunz 4 months ago
I knew this was bullshit, but I clicked the link anyway.
TheKingOfRuckus 4 months ago
ok so i always stick to position because players always create dis/adv form a offense and defensive stand point, was armstrong better then some of the other pg's who didnt make it? No but he was in the ball park so hes better then most but not as good as the best. In my honest opionion mj and kobe are both overrated, kobe couldnt beat nash when they had equal teams and mj and the bulls struggled to win period untill scottie got there but thats one persons eye.
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 lol out men.. you have no sense of timeline actually... 1987 Pippen was a nobody who had to learn from Michael.. are you not surprised he's 'jordanesque' in some ways? Pippen wasn't like Gasol or an Odom who entered to join kobe who were already stars. Pippen had to earn it. If you said that Pippen entered the Bulls then the Bulls won a championship.. then i can't belive it's ironic for a name because you have 1987 in your name..as in Kdaddy61987.
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seros2010 4 months ago
jordan is the one that actually gets elbowed in the head. it should have been a whistle blown, because not did kobe elbow him with the foul, mj also travels.
bigeights 4 months ago
Getting old sucks.
mrmacross 5 months ago
Kobe is a great ball player, but he is a ball hogging asshole who thinks he is better than everybody else.
datboijr01 5 months ago
No elbow, thumbs down.
jwilson770 5 months ago
whats with the essay-writing comments? Geeeee. Another debate? Get on youtube pm.
o91nt3e 5 months ago
I've never seen anyone block until now!!! That's crazy! Go Kobe!
Freestylez100 5 months ago
Michael Jordan's had 6 teammates enshrined into the Hall of Fame. Kobe Bryant's had none so far but it can be easily said Shaq's going for sure. So one Hall of Fame teammate. Who had the stacked team? How many rings has Shaq won without Kobe? ONE. I'm not trying to start the MJ - KB debate. All I'm saying is it is debatable. Kobe's one of the greatest possibly the greatest clutch/closer, fundamentally sound players + he's had to carry teams his entire career. Gasol + LA may have been good@1time.
IPrefer2Win 5 months ago
@IPrefer2Win I'll break this down for you. 91-93 bulls lineup vs post-shaq era lakers. Jordan vs Kobe = Bulls, Pippen vs Ariza/Artest = Bulls... Here's the rest: Armstrong vs Fisher = LA, Cartwright vs Gasol/Bynum = LA, Grant vs Gasol/Odom = LA, Benga vs Perdue = draw, Radmanovic vs King/Williams/Nealy/Levingston= LA, McCray vs Walton = LA, Paxson vs Farmar/Vuyacic = LA. You figure out the rest... 6 hall of famers eh? you see the Bulls' around Jordan and Pip are set up players mostly.
batoattack 5 months ago
@batoattack Grant vs Gasol/Odom = Grant by a long shot also i cannot possibly believe you gave the advantage to LA on the Paxon vs Farmar/Vuyacic comparison hahahahaha........um how old are you ? lol do you know basketball? and this is coming from a NY Knicks fan who hated Jordan and his Bulls
ODDNOMAD 5 months ago
@ODDNOMAD Defensively.. Grant by a long shot.. i agree. but Gasol and Odom are players who can create plays in some ways .. especially odom. Paxon vs Farmar/Vuyacic.. i'm basing it on their agility.. hmmm on the second thought perhaps you're right if we are to base it in basketball IQ.
batoattack 5 months ago
@batoattack defense and rebounding is what grant will be in there for. he is way tougher than Odom, vuyacic and farmar's athleticism would be negated because kobe wont want to facilitate to them, especially if he is getting Jordan's mental abuse of smacktalk. ironically Paxon would have fit better with L.A
ODDNOMAD 5 months ago
@ODDNOMAD it's the offense I'm talking about .. I'm trying to argue with some KOBetards here that in 91-93 Jordan really, almost literally had the offense revolved around him. You have a great all around in Pippen but lacks consistency in offense.. You have a Grant who's great defensively and rebounds and put backs... the rest of the players like pax and armstrong waits for the Jordan Kick-outs.
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack i have no problem with you arguing that mj is better then kobe because hes alot better but dont belittle the other players to do so. Pippen scored 40 points in a game where mj scored 40 and scottie could score at will had he been given more shots and also armstrong was a all-star the year mj left for baseball and grant played for a title with orlando without mj so obviously they knew something about winning. I mean the bulls won 55games without mj so they were pretty good team.
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 for a reference watch ths video : ?v=u69SCU79_O0( "Is Michael Jordan The Greatest Ever? Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, Kenny Smith). Ainge couldn't say it any better: ".. his will was contagious... he made them better." Note:Kukoc,Harper,Kerr, Longley were added after the Jordan1-Era. So I hope you didn't mix it up. Armstrong & Grant allstar. I hope you understood how all star selection is done, right? i mean, where was armstrong after the Bulls? Grant well.. mediocre
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack so what, shaq has said akeem is the best ever, kareem has said wilt is the best player ever, russel said cousy was the best player ever. Everyone has a opionion just because people say it doesnt make it true. Grant played for a championship without jordan in orlando, kerr won 2 more with the spurs, harp[er with the lakers pippen has always played for a ring without mj. Look at kobe without shaq and pau, jordan needed pippen as much as pippen needed jordan.
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 I respect your opinion thing. But you have to go back this thread to iprefer2win... who claimed Kobe had "no HOF" teammates(it's true for how can one be enshrined if one is still playing, right?) anyways ... iprefer2win's point is that KOBE win it without great teammates. NOW THAT's LAME. so before you want to add another matrix of endless debates... try to be minimal as much as possible. stick to the proposition who had the better teammates? Orlando's main men were Shaq and Penny.
batoattack 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 just a sidenote: was armstrong better say against a joe dumars or a m. blaylock or a steve smith just because they didn't make it to the all star games that year? how about grant was he better than say Rodman who didn't make it that year? Okay granting Kerr was the key to the Spurs(just to leave that argument out) ... Just stick to the 91-93 lineup i said. So nevermind the 72-10 Bulls... they are the greatest team ever. No argument there.
batoattack 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 regarding Pippen. I hope you knew too that Phil drew a play for kukoc the winning shot over Pippen against the NY in 94, i mean you know this right? Pippen was a great compliment of Jordan but he could never take the place of Jordan in the system. Jordan was like a 6-6 Olajuwon if you may. he is the best post player who is a guard... of all time. BUt it's easy to tell you're not a Bulls' fan so i can forgive you with that .-- You haven't watch too many Jordan1-era Bulls games.
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack so what he also drew up a ply for derek fisher so what does that mean? You remember him drawing up plays for kwame off of inbound plays? Hes a coach, also if you say mj was the best ever how come they almost won a nba championship without him? They took the knicks to 7 games and the knicks went 7 in the nba finals. The bulls swept there 1st round opponent in the playoffs and pippen was named mvp of the all-star game the year mj was gone. I hope you know your nutt hugging mj
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 here are the points you didn't face. even dwane wade draws a play for lebron and versa. all i'm saying is.. fisher had options.. he can create his own play as a player.. just like when he hit that dagger against orlando in their first championship without shaq. 2nd... You always don't recognize the argument that kukoc, myers, harper later on, longley... while Grant was still there. So that's how many players rotate for MJ? did you ever understand what i was presenting?
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack i understand but i feel you push to hard, people talk about kobe and mj at the same level which there not but you knock some these other guys who were awesome, kukoc was still near his prime even though he was playing pro in like 86. All these guys were older but there purpose in the offense was to make open shots at rebound. They played bigger parts because they accepted the roles given to them, fisher is that good but is a little lucky and a solid shooter therefore got a few to dro
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 like i said no timeline. Kukoc entered 1994 when Jordan retired. The argument with me and iprefer2win is 'who has won a championship with lesser stars on a team'? Like I said, I have no qualms with kukoc being great and rodman, and longley but that's the 2nd threepeat run. that's why i specifically emphasized 91-93 seasons which i think didn't register in your mind.. you keep mixing it up. Kobe had always superstars of plenty whether in the shaq era or in the post shaq era PERIOD.
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack im sorry but you seem to feel that mj made pippen which i absouletly hate, at no point in h.s,in college or in his nba career in the off seasons and the weight room, watching film and practting his shot and was he thinking i got to do this cause of jordan. At no point did mj make pippen better, i dont give credit to shaq for making kobe better and mj doesnt get any special treatment. Mj didnt give pippen his drive or athletism so dont ever sit here on a computer and call him jordanes
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 Shaq didn't make Kobe better. You're adding a whole new proposition.why is it everytime i ask you to stick to one you kept diverting. I only asked you to stick to 1991-1993 and you kept including kukoc. in Kobe's case, he was handpicked by LA's scouts as havin potential. Pippen was a long shot by Jerry Krause. But don't try to pretend too much. for a start . Watch the video "Michael Jordan's Playground." There's a segment there about Pippen ;).
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack Lastly dont sit here and call pippen a long shot for he was a walk on at college playing pg and selected as the 5th overrall pick. In college he shot 60% form the field. That is considered a long shot? Seriously your going to call pippen a long shot? A guy who was 6"8, could handle,pass and shoot. Very long and athletic, this guy was a long shot. A guy who averaged more assists,rebounds,steals and blocks EVERY time the bulls won a ring, A guy who averaged 21-7-7-2-1 in 91-92 ........
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@batoattack Wait your going to call pippen a long shot? A guy who was a walk on and played pg for college, a guy who scored over 20pts per game and shot at 60% in college. A guy picked as the 5th overral pick and was 6"8,super athletic and had pg skills with the ability to score, your gonna say hes a long shot? A guy who averaged MORE rebounds,assists,steals and blocks then mj EVERY YEAR THEY WON A RING. A guy who averaged 21-7-7-2-1 in 91-92. How about you watch some bball without mj in it.
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 Don't compare MIchael's "built around thing" with Gasol or kobe or lebrick who need to join hands with superstars. My point is Pippen was not a superstar when he joined MJ. Clear? Okay I missed Pippen's stats in College but he was still a nobody. If he was, The Bulls would not hesitate him to put in the first 5. It's not a rookie thing actually, good rookies will earn first 5 by showing it in practice. Try to wiki pippen"JOrdan is his ***MOTIVATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL MENTOR***
batoattack 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 Again wiki PIPPEN: EARLY YEARS. ***JORDAN IS HIS MOTIVATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL MENTOR*** TAKE NOTE: ***REFINED*** HIS SKILLS. Like I said, watch MJ's Playground Documentary where Pippen actually learned so much from Michael.. But I agree with you, he has potentials.. but He would not be pippen today if not --to be modest-- 30% of MJ's influence. You need to know.. MJ was defensive player of the year. in 1988. MJ has so many tricks in steals.. start with Malone in 1998 game 6. ;)
batoattack 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 excuse me mate? steals? you better slow down. 2.7, 2.3, 2.8 for jordan in first 3 peat. and 2.2 in their 4th. Pippen? 2.4.1.9, 2.1. and 1.7 in their 4rth. In their 5th and 6th, 1.9 and 1.8 . Jordan registered 1.7 each. that's not too big for a difference right? .. Do you want to talk stats about the playoffs? ;)
batoattack 4 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 Just wondering.. were you the one who asked me how old i am right now? i am in my mid 30's.. if you really are in basketball for a long time.. even those NIKE COMMERCIALS IN THE 90's documented that MJ-PIPPEN scrimmaging against each other..and it's because it was a reflection of reality within the Bulls... OR try listening to Pippen's Hall of Fame speech. If this won't convinced you that Jordan had influence on pippen then.. i think this case is closed. Ask Pippen I think. lol
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack Wow so a guy gives a little credit maybe a little inspiration and now he makes him? You hear jordan in his speech? All he talked about was himself, seriously pippen was always a team guy and that relates to him on and off the court. Every player has influences, right now kidd says dirk has made him a better shooter, does having dirk there help yes but it was kidd who spent his time in the gym, in the off season, before and after games putting in the time to make his own game better.
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 are you retarded man? comparing kidd and dirk relationship with mj/pippen relationship??? can anyone tell me if this analogy is correct. Alright.. Pippen was the leader of Arkansas.. but where does that team ranked??? he was the only one.. and when he came into the league.. he was a "NOBODY"!!!!>.... DIRK and KIDD came into the league.. as rookies destined to be franchise players..
batoattack 3 months ago
@batoattack lastly i would never ask another person there opionion when so close to the situation, pippen and jordan success is intertwined in one another. When people like barkely say pippen was the best permiter defender ever, that has meaning cause he played against him. Also you bring up meaning less things. As someone who works really hard it frustrating to hear people bring up things like commercials. Pippen doesnt self promote so now is forced to a backseat which is wrong Open your eyes
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 did you ever paid attention to what i said???? how many days was it before you replied... and i'm sick and tired of you telling me stupid things.. when all i said is pay attention as to how pippen came in the NBA!!!! are you really old??? because you're bringing up things that are your opinion. and i'm showing you .. leading you to documentaries... about jordan's influence on pippen..and all you can say is that jordan was arrogant in his HOF speech?does it negate the pippen issue?
batoattack 3 months ago
@batoattack also the question is are you retarded, everyone said that you couldnt win a ring with dirk cause hes to soft, people didnt want him to be the franchise player in dallas and the fans didnt even want him to be a the man in dallas, people like magic and bird have said that they never really cared for dirk till this year, which shows there knowledge of basketball is a little bit of a joke, also your comments are other peoples opionions not facts so get your shit straight.
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 i brought up commercials because it was a reflection of reality... a reality that has been documented in documentaries. It's funny that... the issue of Pippen here cannot be negated by MJ"s HOF speech.. You have to hear it in PIPPEN'S HOF SPEECH.. right??? I mean... that's the issue right rhat jordan was the man and not pippen. I think a thousand players and a thousand experts have seen the bulls and i have never heard... that Pippen could have taken over the BUlls instead of jordan
batoattack 3 months ago
@batoattack question what are you talking about? Where did mj take the team before pippen got there? Jordan was a monster the 2nd he came into the nba but thats a individual aspect. he didnt make players around him better. 1st season lost in 1st round, 2nd season swept by boston in 1st round, 3rd season the team won 40 games and swept in the 1rst round again by boston, 4rth season (year scotte to the bulls) out of 1st round loses to detroit in semi, 5th year(scottie 1st season as the starter-)
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 hahaha it's too obvious you do not know what you're talking about. Pippen came in together with Horace Grant. Now i'm not saying pippen is not important here. Let's put this argument in perspective coz you're like a dog chasing your own tail. I said... Jordan vs Kobe... Jordan had shitty teammates outside Pippen and Grant. that's clear. our argument was clear... you outrightly said that Pippen was like a Gasol or a Lebron joining Jordan... and that Jordan was riding on Pip's back.
batoattack 3 months ago
@batoattack so wait role player such as a paxson and a sold center arent good players anymore? Bj armstrong being a a good point guard doesnt mean anything and also did i say jordan wasnt the man? No so to be quite honest i dont even understand if you know how to comprehend what im writing to you. Maybe your giving to much credit to jordan and not enough to pippen. Maybe kobe gets to much credit and not enough to gasol, how about that. Take or leave it
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 Precisely my friend. JORDAN's CREDIT ALL THE WAY!!! CONCLUSION RIGHT HERE: KOBETARD you are.. hahaha. what would you want me to do???? state all my facts again. forget it. don't try to pretend you're old and you're wise. you're stupid. DIRK??? KIDD??? vs JORDAN/PIPPEN???? you're trying to cover KOBE's ASS by the people who humiliated him? so are you telling me now that I made up the fact that JORDAN WAS LEAGUE, ALL STAR MVP AND DEFENSIVE PLAYR of the year? amazing.. are you on drugs
batoattack 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 no you said PIPPEN was the man!!!
batoattack 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 to begin with.. this was a KOBE vs JORDAN argument. who had the better teammates. this was the meat of the argument. and KOBETARD , as usual, would get lost... going as far as DIRK and KIDD who also happened to kick KOBE's ass lol. yeah this conversation is over.
batoattack 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 yeah that's the point.. armstrong vs fisher???? how many buzzer beaters did fisher made where he doesn't need to be set up???? Cartwright vs Bynum/Gasol??? man even BENGA can match up with this slow footed giant. who else you want to bring up??? eh??? paxson vs fisher??? fisher is a guy who can create his own plays... how about ARIZA/ARTEST??? okay this is granting KOBE < JORDAN AND ARIZA/ARTEST < PIPPEN... you survey the rest. are you really a knick fan?
batoattack 3 months ago
@batoattack dude im sorry but you keep arguing that jordan was better then kobe and that kobe had a better team which i agree with on both but your trying to knock down on pippen and armstrong which im sorry is a joke in its self. And now your trying to knock fisher who if i dont remind you single handedly took over game 3 in the nba finals vs boston. All you do is talk about players in a negative light except jordan, stop it its embarressing.
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 They both had great teams. Jordan's teams were pretty lights out imo. They would just take every mistake you make and make you pay every time. Of course Jordan did have a large hand in making those teams so great. I'd seriously argue that Kobe has had less of an impact on the Lakers.
Dreamewalker 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 1 i never knocked down pip.i even i appreciate him more that he started from scratch.the point that kept slipping your idiotic mind was that you treat pip's entry with the bulls like that of Gasol to LA (a bigtime acquistion).2 your position was to fight for kobe... but it seems you're an idiot tellin me now that "YOU AGREE" with me that KOBE has a better million dollar team... then it's over. 3) i said armstrong is not as good as fisher coz bj is a spot up player than a scorer.
batoattack 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 you're really stupid.you have not understand what i said. can you please paste what i said wrong about fisher?i said fisher was great and unlike armstrong. and that fisher could hit shots by himself--gamewinners that is. I asked a rhetorical question "how many buzzer beaters did fisher made where he doesn't need to be set up????" to prove that point. DUDEEEE HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET??? I cannot both argue that both armstrong and fisher sucks otherwise i would be shooting my own foot.
batoattack 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 To continue.. there are factors my friend. 1) Jordan got better.. 1988.. Defensive player of the year, allstar mvp, and league mvp... digest that. 2) Okay... I'm a pippen fan. and yes Pippen came out great in his sophomore year... 3) Grant from Clemson was also great... CONCLUSION: Pippen happened to be in the Bulls when they started rolling. But it doesn't mean he was the lone factor for the BUlls' success. worst.. you're trying to take jordan out of the picture. funny. very funny
batoattack 3 months ago
@Kdaddy61987 As a rookie... Pippen comes off the bench.. ave. to around 7 points only. He is not the pippen as you know him today. It's not like Gasol joining LA with an established reputation and Odom etc.. The Bulls except Jordan and Grant(clemson tigers) had to start from scratch. Unlike today's teams who could just trade stars after stars, The Bulls patiently built it around Jordan. I'm not taking the credit away from PIp but All their motivations started from the focal point: AIR JORDAN.
batoattack 4 months ago
@batoattack That doesnt change anything, pippen was coming off the bench and not getting a whole lot of minutes which says 2 things, 1 he didnt get enough time in game and had to work on his actual game and 2 the 2nd thing is he put the work in. There is a ton of guys who can run fast,jump high and have handles but do they put time in the other aspects such as film room,learning defenses approaches to your teams offense and your ability to ajust in game, pippen was one opf the best ever.
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@batoattack also everyteam builds around there star player, way to state the obvious. Gasol was getting players to surround him when they made the playoffs, just like kg,ray allen, paul pierce,lebron james,melo and so forth and so forth. What teams win it all? Most of the time the team with the more talented group, jordan early lost to the pistons,celtics and many times didnt make the playoffs, what happened? Look at the heat this year, in there 1st year together nba finals, coincidence?
Kdaddy61987 4 months ago
@IPrefer2Win sorry but kobe was not even the "man" on his own championship winning team....SHAQ WAS. which is why kobe lacks those NBA Finals MVP awards......last i checked Jordan has 6 of those to go along with his 6 rings....and oh btw Jordan did it without the presence of a dominant "Big Man".....and Kobe Bryant is not the greatest closer/clutch shooter of all time, Michael Jordan is.....his FG% compared to Kobes is not even close or remotely in the ballpark....jordan has done more with less
ODDNOMAD 5 months ago
@ODDNOMAD More with less? 6 Hall of Fame teammates is surely less. And we're not comparing Google-d stats you fucking moron. His FG% has nothing to do with clutch/closing. Kobe's the best at it, no arguement. Turn your t.v. on and you'll hear any major analyst say it. I'm not taking credit away from MJ. I'm just saying don't think he was a one man game winning machine. Chances are with him, you'll win but him on the Bulls = virtually guaranteed victory.
IPrefer2Win 5 months ago
@IPrefer2Win you think kobe is the most clutch player ever? youre an idiot. or 12 years old. even on percentages alone kobe is the most overrated clutch player. during the last 24 seconds of a game when the game is either tied, or if he is down by 1 or 2 points, kobe is 36-115. thats a disgusting percentage. in the same situation, jordan is 33-58. melo is 21-44. and you know what the worst part is? kobe has just 1 assist in that situation.
zxcasdqwerfvtgb111 5 months ago
@IPrefer2Win do you think these players (while great) would be HOF without Jordan? maybe scottie. kobe plays with great players, jordan makes the players around him great....btw stop gettin emotional
ODDNOMAD 5 months ago
kobe always uses this shot fake dat jordan is doing .
allnurmouth408 5 months ago
kinda funny : "Kobe viciously swept by Jason Kidd."
batoattack 5 months ago
@batoattack You're not even a Maverick fan. Go burn some pictures of Kobe while you're at it hater, nobody gives a crap about you.
IPrefer2Win 5 months ago
if you look closely.......then you're looking closely
07boxingfan 5 months ago
kobe>jordan
07boxingfan 5 months ago
@07boxingfan lol:| you suck dude
robijamessnoop 5 months ago
@07boxingfan wow you obviously know nothing about basketball
VKED23 5 months ago
u popped a vhs in the vcr and recorded straight off your rabbit ears Zenith tube TV?
tsquad007 5 months ago
1 block don't make a difference. it's just kobe losers trying to make the best out of this one. Kobe can't even post up that well. doesn't have the strength and patience that MJ had. he is more of a face-up offensive player. Unfortunately, when you get older you can't pull too many moves like that. Hang me, but LA will not win another ring with kobe in the years to come. Hello OKC, Chicago.
batoattack 5 months ago
@batoattack That block should have been called a foul anyway. Kobe made first contact with the arm and body, then the ball.
ragnargrimnar 5 months ago
@ragnargrimnar theres no foul there whatsoever. quit bitching
twinkywinky711 5 months ago
@ragnargrimnar no ur wrong.wrong.
victor1993k 5 months ago
People give it a rest mj was great when he was great there is no going back there kobe is now and great now well not to me I like wade but kobe is now everyone would love to get everybody in they're prime at the same time but its not possible so stick to 2k go on wit your lives
TheQmartin 5 months ago
Thumbs up if you think kobe would not have gotten that block if Michael Jordan was in his prime, even though I like kobe better.
garnettbeatsnba 5 months ago
if only MJ and Kobe played on the same time line..... would've been a hell of a matchup........
svizera214 5 months ago
kobe needs scoring big man in the middle to take off some outside pressure. Shaq needs an outside scoring threat to take off inside pressure. Jordan dealt with both inside and outside pressure on his own. kobe needed shaq-shaq needed kobe. Jordan's just on a different class from them.
jonquek83 5 months ago
@jonquek83
yeah he did it all by himself huh? my nuts
BeefPapa 5 months ago
I think... yup, Lebron travelled
iliketv23 5 months ago
If you look at the comments of basketball videos, there are a lot of retarded and repetitive comments
JayeDeLlupar 5 months ago
Lakers are done winning titles u faggots
TheHighNDrunk 5 months ago
Wow, he looked like he didn't even touch him...
AznKid32123 5 months ago
@KingDusto11 well im a lakers fan probally explains much huh lol bt yea shaq was beast in his prime but i was talking bout now that both parted ways. shaqs performance level has dropped unlike kobes has stayed consistent throughout his whole career
MegaChadOchocinco 5 months ago
@1billion1deaths1 How many times has shaq made it to the finals and bbecame MVP while not playing for Lakers. Now think about this how many times has Kobe done it since SHaq left.Twice!! Kobe is better then shaq in every prospective. SHaq isnt as good without kobe and kobe is great with whatever supporting cast he has.
MegaChadOchocinco 5 months ago
@MegaChadOchocinco In their primes the only person on Shaq's level is Michael Jordan,Shaq was fucking unstoppable and Kobe had Shaq while he was in his prime,Shaq put up 40-20-5-5 on a regular basis.And because of Kobe's bitchiness and jealously they only won 3 championships when they should've had 5 titles.If it wasn't Shaq,Kobe wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Michael.Shaq was so good that he would've won titles anyway.So Kobe fans should worship Shaq, and I'm a Bulls fan by the way
KingDusto11 5 months ago
@KingDusto11
Truth!!! Shaq under Phil Jackson's triangle offense could have won a ring with any wing player (Vince, AI, Tracy etc...). Kobe was replaceable on the Lakers during Shaq's era with Phil leading the way.
Kingjd87 5 months ago
This the Jordan move that everybody nowdays call "Kobe's move"... don't think so. Young bucks gotta do some homework, Jordan did it to Kobe, why you think Kobe does it?
Btw in this All-star game, Jordan hit the game-winning shot until Jermaine O'neal fouled Kobe by the 3-pt line w/ 1 sec left in the game, which made it go into overtime.
justineheartsmac 5 months ago
@MaxFlowRSX Larry Brown, Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Joe Johnson, Craig Hodges (lakers shooting coach) & Tim Grover (fitness coach who trained MJ, kobe, wade & lebron) all said if MJ played today he would average 40-50 ppg.
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Beaujeunehommex3 5 months ago
kobe is best to ever play the game
MrSouthphillyitalian 5 months ago
@MrSouthphillyitalian people better recognize.....you could tell that michael jordan respected kobe's game, and knew something that millions of basketball fans don't care to acknowledge...if these two guys went one on one, it would go down to the absolute last point.....all this talk about the change in rules, kobe would have balled in the 80's and the 90's period
scorpionJB 5 months ago
@scorpionJB kobe fucken sucks!! he only gots 2 rings in my book, the other 3 he rode shaqs dick for. t-mac is better then kobe with no rings. Shaq and t-mac would of gone for 6 for 6.
1billion1deaths1 5 months ago
@1billion1deaths1 man please, T-MAC has never smelled anything beyond the 1st round of the playoffs, and he didn't play defense, not even close....T-MAC had yao ming during the 2007 playoffs, houston lost game 7 of the first round against utah at home.....even T-MAC has said on plenty occasion that KOBE was the best in the league....Shaq's been with 4 different squads since leaving L.A.....I love Shaq, but who's the real frontrunner...KOBE 5 rings, SHAQ 4 rings....case been closed...
scorpionJB 5 months ago
@scorpionJB thats all time retardedness, shaq was mvp in all of the 3 championship with the lakers, wen shaq left lakers ended kobe wanted to be traded he was going nowhere. How many times has kobe been the mvp in the finals? 2? yea only 2 times.
1billion1deaths1 5 months ago
@1billion1deaths1 only 2 is still 2 more than most players so stop taking it up at ass.
WhatTehFcuk 5 months ago
@1billion1deaths1 You act like 2 isn't impressive lol. Anyone who makes it in the NBA is someone to admire.
stanbreh34 5 months ago 12
@stanbreh34 dude that may be the most understanding comment anyone has ever said.... can we have some thumbs up for this dude
misael1816 5 months ago
@stanbreh34 Kwame Brown...lol
MegaSplash1 4 months ago
@MegaSplash1 Kwame Brown can dunk on anyone of us anyday. He might be one of the worst players of the NBA, but compared to us, he's like another Shaq.
stanbreh34 4 months ago
@stanbreh34 lol. So? The same can be said for tons of people. In other sports too
TheThirdWing94 4 months ago
@TheThirdWing94 Notice I said admire... If you don't respect people better than you, you'll never grow.
stanbreh34 4 months ago
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TheThirdWing94 4 months ago
@scorpionJB by your logic Robert Horry is better then Kobe
IGattsI 5 months ago
@IGattsI this is the argument one always fall back on when they try to shortchange Kobe's accomplishment, and they know good and well the conversation centers around superstar players leading their teams vs. role players making contributions.....peers, opponents, coaches, and scouts have said time and time again that Kobe was the best basketball player/talent in the league from 2001-2010 on a year to year basis, Alvin Gentry said it during the conclusion of the WCF'S last year lolll
scorpionJB 5 months ago
@scorpionJB take Shaq out of the first 3 years Kobe has 2 rings enough said :) Shaq lead it those 3 years Kobe was his bitch Robin period
IGattsI 5 months ago
@IGattsI at the end of the day....KOBE 5 rings, SHAQ 4 rings, Shaq has been frontrunning since the 2007 playoffs when his miami heat (w/d-wade) got swept in the first round of the playoffs by the upstart chicago bulls, defending champs out in the first round, then forced a trade to phoenix where they didn't even make the playoffs in 2009, then took that train to cleveland and said "i'm a win one for the king", ousted in the 2nd round, and went to boston and played 8 total minutes
scorpionJB 5 months ago
@IGattsI nobody carried nobody, both those cats wont those titles as equal teammates, and KOBE can still win a 6th title w/in the next 2 years...
scorpionJB 5 months ago