I aggre. On a lot of sites that i go on most of them look...let's say a bit messed up. Because of the shit Explorer 8. So most of the time i use Mozilla Fox. Best for web surfing.
Well said, Robert. It's very annoying as it is, that the shows are temporarily available. Shall stick to the convenience of 4oD. Big fan by the way. Kudos on 'carpool', love it! As do MANY others. :-)
Internet Explorer has gotten a lot better than it used to be, though it's still shite when compared to just about every other browser on the market. Firefox is still king for me, though Chrome is catching up pretty quick
I think this video is a good example of why he was chosen to play Kryten - there is much face-moulding and scrunching, just as seen in the series. The lawyer face looks good for spicing up parties.
I never use Internet Explorer now. Too slow, and I generally don't like things Microsoft do, so I tweak Windows to a highly efficient and personalised level. Tip for you folks:
Google Chrome starts up (for me) twice as fast as the latest Firefox, which gets slower over time thanks to Windows d#@*ing around.
@EddieTheFishReturns Completely agree. I use Firefox and it's SO much better than Explorer - Unfortunately, my family still use explorer, so when I use their desktop I am forced to endure the slowest and most-crashy browser around.
I'm still looking for any possible way to get around this DRM. So far all I can do is download to FLV with a stream catcher, or use the iplayer downloader to get an ipod file. Neither can be converted to DVD to view on a real TV. So I guess I'm still stuck to recording using my own DVD/VCR. And I thought it was 2009!
Oh get you, Mr clever "I know what all acronyms stand for and I never make a fucking mistake ever and if I catch someone else making the most minor of slip ups I stick a hostile comment beneath them because it makes me feel ...what?" Better, more intelligent, makes you feel at last you've got one up on someone. Top marks for a truly tragic comment
Agreed, although now it does work on Mac (and Linux) I hated it when it doesn't. I also hate the DRM but I just use the po-ru iplayer downloader to get around that.
i could go on for hours about DRM, i always pay for legit coppies of my movies and music when i can, but sometimes they don't even bother to make it available except for a fee youtube download, for example
and if i download it then it becomes available, i will always relace my tape recording for the real mc coy
Some very good points. And whilst many of these issues are now dealt with, the iPlayer still manages to find new and interesting ways to screw up almost every day. Also some nice observations about the BBC's techie bods, they are pretty lame aren't they? Probably spending too much time on Twitter, but then I suppose Robby's not going to criticise that :)
WAH WHAH WAH, I don't like Internet Explorer WAH WAH WAH!!
Hey numb nuts do what I and everyone else did, while you have youtube and everything running in firefox or whatever, just open IE and run iPlayer on that...
The point is, lots of people who are tech savy know how great Firefox and a alternatives are but MOST PEOPLE use IE7 on Windows XP.
BBC just wanted to get iPlayer out to as many people as quickly as possible. Now Firefox and more and more systems are being supported all the time.
Hey not very observant critic, you may notice this vid was posted more than a year ago, and it was true then. IE sucks that is common knowledge, plus, IE doesn't run on a Mac thank heavens, and I use a Mac not Windows XP. Other than that, thanks for watching
Well I did actually phrase my advice in the past tense but you have to realise over a year ago and even today the most popular browser is still Internet Explorer making about 70-80% of users.
90% of people use Windows and have access to IE so is it any surprise at all that the BBC would role it out on IE first?
I mean if Mac only has 9% market share is it really that heinous it got streaming only 6 months later?
I'm not saying and never even implied that IE was in any way superior.
The point is it's both most PREVALENT (available to the most) and most POPULAR (used by most people) browser. Not the "best" by far.
BBC have to make itself available to the widest number of people as quickly as possible, not to just the minority who read tech blogs and have the initiative to install a new browser like firefox.
Please learn the dictionary definition of popular (it doesn't mean the same as "the best").
Anyway Iplayer. As has already been stated this is an old video. What makes me laugh about IPlayer is that the Beeb have thrown oodles of money at it to do their gelocation nonsense. I can watch it from Houston Texas doing virtually nothing. The gelocation thingmy just doesn't work. Besides, other than Top Gear, QI and University Challenge what else is there to watch on it? Hmmm okay Doctor Who I suppose on a rainy day... ;-) But you get my point... Their viewers are mostly ex-pats. :-D
I didn't see this when originally posted. While the iPlayer itself has changed, all your statements about Internet Explorer and DRM remain true. ;) Netflix currently has similar problems as the early iPlayer days, except for the set-top-box options.
This was posted in August of 2007, see, it says to the top of the video. Blimey, work it out. It works on Vista, b]na na na na. When I put it up over a year ago everything I said was true. Don't get so upset about it. Use Vista, it;s all lovely.And calling someone an ass wipe isn't very nice
Could it not be argued that scrubbing Lister's gussets was roughly in the same area to ass-wiping? Nah, not fair to insult you really. Damn, whatever happened to Red Dwarf, I miss that show too much, and watched every episode too many times.
quite right sir! My only gripe with iplayer is that it's not available overseas (yet! The BBC reckon they're working on an international version...we'll see...)
I have Vista and Firefox and it works fine for me Rob, i use the iplayer alot. I couldn't agree more about Internet Explorer, bloody thing has always caused me no end of headaches..
Oooh get you. For one thing, this video is over a year old and now iPlayer works fine on a Mac, that is what this rant was about. For another I could use a computer very efficiently many years before you were born. Check the date of the video and get over it. And IE is rubbish, that is a well accepted fact by anyone who has above average knowledge of computers and software.
although im old enough to have a credit card or a pay pal acount i dont so if it costs money even 1p i would just get it for free somewhere else and thats why most people do it especialy younger people, pluss the fear of your account detailes getting copied and your identity stolen, i would rather have a virus that i would have to get rid of than massive debt and bad credit rating, so money has to be made with adverts. but like you rob i dont realy know how to make money off tv on the internet
haha ... i get free movies .. is that bad .... why cant stuff be free .. make it free people .. screw your greed and wealth .. communism preveils !!!! .. um .. im kidding .. communism isnt good ?? ... goo on paper i geuss .. but yeah .. free cars free food free water .. WATER SHOULD BE FUCKING FREE!!!!!! .. Robert sir ... you make me want to steal stuff ... no no .. its not you its me .. it all belongs to me in someway .. so i shouldnt pay ... um .. free stuff .. come on people ..
hopefully the iplayer wont be used by "auntie Beeb" to dominate the bandwidth. It already plays much more smoothly than youtube...maybe its a plan to try to make the bbc centre of attention when, in reality, it cant compete with the publics creativity
And cheers for mentioning Jing-Project, I've been trying to recall the name for months. (Is it me or have I commented on every video you've done Today?)
2:34 and 2:46 lol fucking hilarious i like the whole impression he does it cracks me up everytime "we can't let you copy it because of copyright issues" ROFLMAO
fuck the BBC man, their the shittest at broadcasting football matches, ITV news looks way better than BBC and their logo is booooorrrrring. And they collect the TV licence and waste it on rubbish such as the iplayer.
And anyway hve u ever tried Internet Explorer 7? If its shit then IE itself is fucked up.
About a year ago, I was 'introduced' to Red Dwarf, and ever since then, I have been a big fan of you [Kryten]. Your performance was absolutly fantastic. It's too bad RD didn't go into Season 9 and on.
Keep the reviews coming, and yes, I do agree with SpiroEx. It is nice to see someone talking sense.
Nice to see someone 'in the industry' talking sense.
Note to swearingmonster. The main problem with IE is it's a huge security risk especially on the PC where it is a major part of the Kernel - that's the core of the Windows operating system. If I use Firefox and someone compromises its security there's a limit to what they can do. If I use IE and it's compromised my entire computer is potentially compromised.
ie is still the most widly used internet browser. They're just pandering to the masses and drm is simply a tool for making the guys with ties and suits shut up about people copying.
However you are right. a simple website that allows people to watch anything at any time would be perfect, nobody would copy because it's simply easier to do it legaly. People are lazy.
I thought it was meant to be short, heh. =P Anyways, IE is balls, way behind its time, full of flaws, security holes and in the end just annoying to use. Windows is also total arse, although XP is better than Vista, less pretty maybe, but still better. And if you want to go back even more, win98 is great, but of course Microsoft stopped supporting it, so its no good for new things. =\
DRM at the BBC, Why? All programs are broadcast across the country to untold amounts of VCRs, TiVOs & DVD Recorders. Besides all households in the UK are forced by law to pay for the BBC content, Why shouldn't we have a copy if we want to. But tbh why would anyone want an illicit copy of Buy or not to Buy, ROugue Traders or Strictly Come Dancing. COMPLETE BULLSHIT PROGRAMMING!!!
Great points Rob. The iPlayer and 4od also install 'Kontiki' software which is impossible to remove by easy means, even uninstallation of the iPlayer or 4od programs. I also liked your video about Paxman. Poignant especially after Dimensiongate: "The BBC is longer interested in the audience Red Dwarf formerly used to attract". Red Dwarf proved how popular it is not only in its audiences back then but how well it performs in DVD sales now which the BBC must make a killing out of!
Hi Robert, Didnt know you had a yutoob site until this saturday at dj (thanks by the way - highlight of the weekend!)
You have said what i have always maintained for 10 years. Drop the prices and no one will copy anything. Mark up may be less but unit sales will increase. When will they wake up?
I will tell you when... The day that the lounge lizards stop making television, and the actual creatives (who live in the real world)can decide what is really needed to make good british tv.
I.E. SUCKS! I refuse to use it. I have Firefox and Safari on my iMac and they're both way better than I.E. ever was. I have no idea why people bother with IE when better options are available. Oh, I love your goofy voices! That whole "Copyright issues" part had me laughing hard.
iPlayer, its a beta, that means its not finished yet. the BBC trust have told the Beeb to get Mac and Linux version out in the next couple of years, unfortunately not many people are familiar with the idea of patience these days and you're clearly not one of them. There'll be alternative browser support soon I expect, Vista looks better??? Jesus have you tried using it?, its crap.
That's the end of any future BBC career mate! LOL Vista "looks great"? Hardly a deep analysis. Vista sucks cycles to power all that eye-candy crap. Anyone with any sense, anyone high-end gaming or anyone video editing sticks with XP; far more reliable, far less hungry. Incidentally, it's easy to run iPlayer on Vista if you really must; do some research next time. Using Firefox for iPlayer on either OS is a piece of cake too. Ill informed, self indulgent ranting Robert, shane on you.
Can I add to that rant? You can't see iPlayer programming from the BBC - Internet Suxplorer or not - if you live outside their broadcast range. So, it's not only greed with keeping the content from being "copied" (like they could stop it...you're right) it's their avariciousness that the rest of the world is not their demo. Sad. I might buy a T-shirt from the BBC shops if I knew what "Little Britain" was. (Wait...do they have shops online?)
It's not the Beeb making that restriction; it's the rights owners as part of the distribution deal. Sad it may be, but not because the Beeb wants it that way. I suggest a little research before engaging keyboard with fingers in future.
And I suggest a little decorum before engaging keyboard with fingers in future. What is it about the anonymity of the internet that brings out the worst in people? Oh, and by the way, I don't think the BBC is run by totalitarians who will end a person's career for opining on a piece of software.
So, in a like fashion, accusations of "greed" and "avariciousness" aren't also symptoms of the worst in people being expressed because of perceived anonymity? And the use of the acronym LOL should have given the game away; I was JOKING about career limitation. I enjoy Mr Llewellyn's work immensely on most occasions. I think Mr Llewellyn's rant on this subject was ill-informed and self-regarding.
Oh, and my advice is don't bother finding out any more about Little Britain; it's shite.
Oh, I am not under anonymity...you can reach me through the videos I've posted. But since you signed up mere minutes before posting derogatory remarks it DOES look a bit suspect. And as for my remarks about the BBC and the DRM...(continued because I can't shut up after 500 characters)
...the reason they do not allow downloading outside the UK is because UK viewers have already paid for the content through tax, outside countries have not. THAT is what I am talking about. Instead of making the content downloadable (is that a word?) they could have created a streaming player. Many studios already have similar players on their sites. However, BBC has opted for the "download" aspect which keeps the viewing specific to their demo instead of sharing content with the World.
Television is taxed in the UK, so in essence the people of the UK own the programming. There are secondaty rights holders for some programs, but the BBC does hold right to shows they produce...like with their radio programs. Here's a link with some information from the BBC...take a look at 3.1. (You'll have to edit the link since YouTube doesn't allow them...it's safe, I promise.)bbc(DOT)co(DOT)uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/consult/decisions/on_demand/decision(DOT)txt
Sadly, the level of content completely owned by the BBC is incredibly small. iPlayer would have little or no content to distribute were it to eschew the use of DRM. The TV licence fee in the UK does NOT confer ownership rights on anything broadcast by the BBC. The article states "the BBC is not free to distribute content however it
chooses since there are third parties who hold rights in BBC content." This applies to over 90% of broadcast material.
I had a friend who was downloading some movie that had just come out in Japan at the time (because it had her favorite actor in it), and she was surprised that the film was upside down. All the way through. I laughed.
So, yes, why not just buy it in good quality for cheap? I don't understand fans. :/
iPlayer can be made to work with Vista it just requires a small change in the registry to alter IE's settings - do a search on google and you will find it.
why cant the bbc just make a you tube channel and get permission to exceed the 10 minute limit. in my experience if you can see it with your eyes it can be copied in a lossless way so stick it on you tube where 90% of users wont know how to copy it and of the 10% remaining 0.2% will even think about getting a copy on there pc.
FFS! every page on that site has the word BETA writtern on it, the program isnt even finished, yes i'd be PISSED if it was the final version but it isnt.
Well, if you hate Internet Explorer that much mate you should really get Mozilla Firefox on your PC. It's quicker, more efficient and doesn't share the same habit as IE for sucking up your system resources every time it waves a little white flag. Google it, download it and enjoy (it even has a add-on which allows you to view Internet explorer only pics, IE tab). Look into it, you won't be disappointed.
I share your hate of DRM Robert. It's completely useless.
The only online music store I bother doing business with is Bleep dot com. Here's why, this is from their FAQ:
Finally, Bleep files have no 'DRM' or copy protection built in. We believe that most people like to be treated as customers and not potential criminals - DRM is easily circumvented and just puts obstacles in the way of enjoying music.
Agreed! Great site. One way to demonstrate how it can work well for everybody without DRM, would be to buy from this site and DON'T then share out the files over your peer-to-peer network :) If music can work this way, then why not video?
Considering how Copyright works in media as a general thing. You would think that making something Cheap, Reliable, User friendly and EASIER to obtain then the copyed stuff people download, would not only go the right way to decrease copying in general (you'll never get rid of it...) but would also MAYBE install more faith in the peopl ethat create the content and maybe drive up DVD sales and such.
Anyway.. If there was a program, made and produced by the bbc, surely they would produce it for XP and WMP? Yeah lets produce it for linux and winamp? Thats catering for the masses!
iplayer IS rubbish, no doubt about it! I have the button unchecked saying dont start with windows, but what does it do?.... uhuh!
I would love to buy movies right here, right now, but there isnt enough "bandwidth" apparently to support that sort of service.
Well done Bobby, what a FANTASTIC rant! You need to do more on this kind of stuff mate, you'd be a great spokesman for an awful lot of frustrated and annoyed PC users! Bravo, you've got me cheering here like a loon, and I'm gonna go play that again now!
It is annoying that iPlayer requires IE, but I just checked Channel 4's similar "4oD" service, and it requires:
- A Windows XP or a Windows Vista PC
- IE 5.5, 6 or 7
Of course, the reason both Ch4 and BBC have to use DRM is that the production companies demand it. They would not get the rights to make shows available on-demand at all if they did not use it.
I agree it's a waste of time, but tell that to the production companies YOU work for, Mr Llewellyn!
I do agree DRM is a waste of time, but please also remember the i-player is still in beta at the moment so it makes total sense to design the first version for the most widely available platform with the most widely used browser. Also the beta test isn't just about the software, it's making sure all the back end networking stuff can actually cope with the demand.
Yes, Firefox can go slow at moments, but, it is continually being improved. The working beta is into version 3.x and that is still a year or so from release. Some updates have been poorer than others, and some better. With all this, it still outclasses IE.
aye, i liked firefox! but a few essential websites at the time such as odeon (which i think has nmow changed?) would not work in it, so when IE got an update I moved to it!
I quite agree. DRM doesn't work. Lately the hacker community has been releasing hacks *before* a DRM product even hits the market. The only way to stop it is to lock down PCs from their owners - which Sony tried to do with its rootkit, and the negative publicity sent them scurrying into a hasty retreat. It's definitely time for a new business model for content creators.
One answer: embrace cheap technologies. It need not cost a million bucks to make a single episode. Reduced revenue streams can be tolerated if expenses are minimal.
A home PC can be equipped with more powerful content creation tools today than entire studios had available 10 years ago.
You're right man, Internet Explorer certainly sucks ass! A very nice rant indeed! Hey, you're gonna be in Deb's new video! Yey! She's got loadsa people to do their little bit. Should be a nice little vid. Dan =:D
cool video! but yeah i'm glad it doesn't run on vista. lol I had vista, horrible horrible os! It crashed frequently and instead of claiming an error they say "hardware error, please contact your vendor" no matter what. That way they don't claim responsibility for the error. hahah
It's interesting that you raise the point of being able to grab something for a quid via your PC, and that's what almost all tech companies are working towards now. I work as a network engineer for a major UK ISP and I know that if we somehow managed to get reliable DSL, with NO BANDWIDTH CAPS then we'd make a killer, tie that with some form of pennies to watch movie/tv system then it would wipe the marketplace.
love him as an actor he is great
1910ladygaga 5 months ago
When you say Smeeeeee Heeeeeee :D
discectedbunny 7 months ago
You reminded me of Kryten so much at 2:41 hahaha :)
discectedbunny 7 months ago
I aggre. On a lot of sites that i go on most of them look...let's say a bit messed up. Because of the shit Explorer 8. So most of the time i use Mozilla Fox. Best for web surfing.
Use that Rob!
GTAIVFan17 9 months ago
The BBC iPlayer is far, far, far better now. But Macs, no thanks. Off-the-shelf-show-off machines.
soundslave 9 months ago
im agree with you robert, im a firefox / chrome user and no problems...
i just use virgin media TV for iplayer since i also dont trust the iplayer program for my machine.
johnbriuk18 1 year ago
firefox with noscript = win
rlilewis 1 year ago
Well said, Robert. It's very annoying as it is, that the shows are temporarily available. Shall stick to the convenience of 4oD. Big fan by the way. Kudos on 'carpool', love it! As do MANY others. :-)
PlurSaveTheRave 1 year ago
0:55-1:20 - 'Nuff said.
EddieTheFishReturns 1 year ago
so true ie is shite!!!!
cartman668222 1 year ago
Internet Explorer has gotten a lot better than it used to be, though it's still shite when compared to just about every other browser on the market. Firefox is still king for me, though Chrome is catching up pretty quick
opensourcethong 1 year ago
i use internet explorer and on windows vista and with broadband and its works fine i have no problems
DANATRINGWOOD 1 year ago
god he is so trying to be a knob fucker!
zoe24loppy 1 year ago
mad props 2:40 the correct pronunciation of "copyright issues"
bailyrg 2 years ago
I think this video is a good example of why he was chosen to play Kryten - there is much face-moulding and scrunching, just as seen in the series. The lawyer face looks good for spicing up parties.
EddieTheFishReturns 2 years ago
Pause at 1:37 for instant fun. And 1:00-1:07 is good as well.
Am I wasting space here?
EddieTheFishReturns 2 years ago
I never use Internet Explorer now. Too slow, and I generally don't like things Microsoft do, so I tweak Windows to a highly efficient and personalised level. Tip for you folks:
Google Chrome starts up (for me) twice as fast as the latest Firefox, which gets slower over time thanks to Windows d#@*ing around.
EddieTheFishReturns 2 years ago 2
@EddieTheFishReturns Completely agree. I use Firefox and it's SO much better than Explorer - Unfortunately, my family still use explorer, so when I use their desktop I am forced to endure the slowest and most-crashy browser around.
PurpleFunnyChocolate 1 year ago
1:00
Enough said.
smpowis 2 years ago
Very well said Robert. DRM never worked.
deviletk 2 years ago
I'm still looking for any possible way to get around this DRM. So far all I can do is download to FLV with a stream catcher, or use the iplayer downloader to get an ipod file. Neither can be converted to DVD to view on a real TV. So I guess I'm still stuck to recording using my own DVD/VCR. And I thought it was 2009!
szashnia 2 years ago
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Your moms the most open to abuse LOL
vldeo1 2 years ago
Go away and pass your GCSE's. Or fail them, I don't care.
EddieTheFishReturns 2 years ago
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British Broadcast Company? It's Corporation you fucking dweeb.
Daftie123 2 years ago
Oh get you, Mr clever "I know what all acronyms stand for and I never make a fucking mistake ever and if I catch someone else making the most minor of slip ups I stick a hostile comment beneath them because it makes me feel ...what?" Better, more intelligent, makes you feel at last you've got one up on someone. Top marks for a truly tragic comment
bobbyllew 2 years ago 30
@bobbyllew You sir, are a legend.
Dragonfree97 1 year ago
@Daftie123 arsehole, mr fucking politically correct
ACTractionLTD 10 months ago
Firefox All The Way Robert
AshesArise86 2 years ago
Agreed, although now it does work on Mac (and Linux) I hated it when it doesn't. I also hate the DRM but I just use the po-ru iplayer downloader to get around that.
LordZope 2 years ago
The lawyer was really funny.
McRocket 2 years ago
I agree with IE being a heap of shit.
I prefer FF most.
RPNova 2 years ago 11
i could go on for hours about DRM, i always pay for legit coppies of my movies and music when i can, but sometimes they don't even bother to make it available except for a fee youtube download, for example
and if i download it then it becomes available, i will always relace my tape recording for the real mc coy
sigh, i dunno
fyphfoko 2 years ago
it work's on my lap top
digging555 2 years ago
Some very good points. And whilst many of these issues are now dealt with, the iPlayer still manages to find new and interesting ways to screw up almost every day. Also some nice observations about the BBC's techie bods, they are pretty lame aren't they? Probably spending too much time on Twitter, but then I suppose Robby's not going to criticise that :)
doctormozo 2 years ago 2
You might want to add some annotations to this video to state that most of the issues you raised here have been dealt with now. Just a suggestion.
lukepietnik 2 years ago 2
I know its an old video but but good point made :)
michaelnuk 2 years ago 2
it does work on vista
coley2142 2 years ago
Chrome, that's a good browser. Moot point but there we go. Great for handling pop-ups downloads etc. Moot again. Zippin' it :-#
MarkJoseph4 2 years ago
1:05 that actually took me by surprise
Kryten from Red Dwarf said shit...I think I need to sit down...
DaibloDBZ 2 years ago 2
fraps is a program that will capture most things video. Also replay media catcher and firefox with the plugin.
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
what is the program you talked about that takes still images or videos of whatever is on your screen. did you say jene project??
tim6043 3 years ago
while i watched this video i jacked off as tears streamed down my face
Wykfo 3 years ago
Some great points! Of course, in the last year more and more people have now become able to watch the iPlayer via digital TV, which certainly helps.
I have to wonder though, if this rant against the BBC is why Red Dwarf is now being made by Dave... ;-)
David8693 3 years ago
WAH WHAH WAH, I don't like Internet Explorer WAH WAH WAH!!
Hey numb nuts do what I and everyone else did, while you have youtube and everything running in firefox or whatever, just open IE and run iPlayer on that...
The point is, lots of people who are tech savy know how great Firefox and a alternatives are but MOST PEOPLE use IE7 on Windows XP.
BBC just wanted to get iPlayer out to as many people as quickly as possible. Now Firefox and more and more systems are being supported all the time.
Treblaine 3 years ago
Hey not very observant critic, you may notice this vid was posted more than a year ago, and it was true then. IE sucks that is common knowledge, plus, IE doesn't run on a Mac thank heavens, and I use a Mac not Windows XP. Other than that, thanks for watching
bobbyllew 3 years ago 4
Well I did actually phrase my advice in the past tense but you have to realise over a year ago and even today the most popular browser is still Internet Explorer making about 70-80% of users.
90% of people use Windows and have access to IE so is it any surprise at all that the BBC would role it out on IE first?
I mean if Mac only has 9% market share is it really that heinous it got streaming only 6 months later?
Macs are ridiculously overpriced anyway.
Treblaine 3 years ago
IE does suck Bobby, you are correct. Firefox is better.
Bellocks1 3 years ago 2
"even today the most popular browser is still Internet Explorer making about 70-80% of users."
With IE being pre-installed on every windows computer sold why do those figures seem unfair...
it's practically the default. Trust me if we had to go and download IE browser from the internet it would be a different story.....
Firefox has fully earned its share.
MooMooYew 2 years ago
I'm not saying and never even implied that IE was in any way superior.
The point is it's both most PREVALENT (available to the most) and most POPULAR (used by most people) browser. Not the "best" by far.
BBC have to make itself available to the widest number of people as quickly as possible, not to just the minority who read tech blogs and have the initiative to install a new browser like firefox.
Please learn the dictionary definition of popular (it doesn't mean the same as "the best").
Treblaine 2 years ago
Robert... why even waste time replying to people like this, some moron who can't even see this video was posted on the 3rd of august 2007..
AICabal 3 years ago
fixed now
muhammadjsali 3 years ago
Anyway Iplayer. As has already been stated this is an old video. What makes me laugh about IPlayer is that the Beeb have thrown oodles of money at it to do their gelocation nonsense. I can watch it from Houston Texas doing virtually nothing. The gelocation thingmy just doesn't work. Besides, other than Top Gear, QI and University Challenge what else is there to watch on it? Hmmm okay Doctor Who I suppose on a rainy day... ;-) But you get my point... Their viewers are mostly ex-pats. :-D
beatityatube 3 years ago
I didn't see this when originally posted. While the iPlayer itself has changed, all your statements about Internet Explorer and DRM remain true. ;) Netflix currently has similar problems as the early iPlayer days, except for the set-top-box options.
TakeyMcTaker 3 years ago 2
Im watching on Linux, with Mozilla Firefox.
ThrownFromHell 3 years ago 2
Im sorry:D
alwaysallblacks 3 years ago 4
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i watched it with vista and i watch it on APPLES Safari!!!
ass wipe
alwaysallblacks 3 years ago
This was posted in August of 2007, see, it says to the top of the video. Blimey, work it out. It works on Vista, b]na na na na. When I put it up over a year ago everything I said was true. Don't get so upset about it. Use Vista, it;s all lovely.And calling someone an ass wipe isn't very nice
bobbyllew 3 years ago 5
u tell him bobby!
reddwarfmaster 3 years ago 3
Could it not be argued that scrubbing Lister's gussets was roughly in the same area to ass-wiping? Nah, not fair to insult you really. Damn, whatever happened to Red Dwarf, I miss that show too much, and watched every episode too many times.
beatityatube 3 years ago
quite right sir! My only gripe with iplayer is that it's not available overseas (yet! The BBC reckon they're working on an international version...we'll see...)
all the best!
kedkoz 3 years ago
ass wipe (low blow, but... it was there.. didn't you see it) ;)
traxens 3 years ago
hi m8 iplayer works fine on google chrome i have been useing it for ages
but good vid
PAUL000F84 3 years ago
Durr.. only just seen that this was posted AGES ago. Me bad.
evilednaface 3 years ago
I have Vista and Firefox and it works fine for me Rob, i use the iplayer alot. I couldn't agree more about Internet Explorer, bloody thing has always caused me no end of headaches..
evilednaface 3 years ago
hey bob. the iplayer does work on firefox, iv been watching it on there for a while.
love the show :)
mongoosecheese 3 years ago
i like you better on red dwarf
jimmyclappa 3 years ago
Yes we all prefered it when he looked like a novelty condom. I liked him on that 'sex' show on Channel 4 what was that called again?
beatityatube 3 years ago
Give it a break Kryten. :-)
beatityatube 3 years ago
nice one bobby
harleyormro 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I have had NO problems like what he just ranted about. It's called "knowing how to use a computer"
If you have problems with IE? The problem is between the chair and the keyboard.
Get over it, and learn how to use a computer.
crabapple86 3 years ago
Oooh get you. For one thing, this video is over a year old and now iPlayer works fine on a Mac, that is what this rant was about. For another I could use a computer very efficiently many years before you were born. Check the date of the video and get over it. And IE is rubbish, that is a well accepted fact by anyone who has above average knowledge of computers and software.
bobbyllew 3 years ago
Well done, Rob.
The other problems with these things are the high CPU usage and they totally kill your broadband..
Cheers for the Jing Project. Never heard of that.
pobhockle 3 years ago
it seems to work on firefox now but teh one for channle 4 doesn't it need internet explorer
BillyBobsEel 3 years ago
your really brilliant! haha you make me laugh
espermatazoide 3 years ago
<<<<< nice picture
colinman123 3 years ago
although im old enough to have a credit card or a pay pal acount i dont so if it costs money even 1p i would just get it for free somewhere else and thats why most people do it especialy younger people, pluss the fear of your account detailes getting copied and your identity stolen, i would rather have a virus that i would have to get rid of than massive debt and bad credit rating, so money has to be made with adverts. but like you rob i dont realy know how to make money off tv on the internet
thestalkinghead 3 years ago
It works on mac now. Im not sure if they ment it to or weather it was just a work experience kid mistake.
hoarp001 3 years ago
oh dear
chukky5 3 years ago
is it him off scrapheap challenge
bcfcmarcus 3 years ago
Your Lawyer face is fuckin scary!
GLeNss 3 years ago
haha ... i get free movies .. is that bad .... why cant stuff be free .. make it free people .. screw your greed and wealth .. communism preveils !!!! .. um .. im kidding .. communism isnt good ?? ... goo on paper i geuss .. but yeah .. free cars free food free water .. WATER SHOULD BE FUCKING FREE!!!!!! .. Robert sir ... you make me want to steal stuff ... no no .. its not you its me .. it all belongs to me in someway .. so i shouldnt pay ... um .. free stuff .. come on people ..
JTD19881369 3 years ago
hopefully the iplayer wont be used by "auntie Beeb" to dominate the bandwidth. It already plays much more smoothly than youtube...maybe its a plan to try to make the bbc centre of attention when, in reality, it cant compete with the publics creativity
sonicbatvideo 3 years ago
it works on my mac just fine running in safari
pauljohnmc 3 years ago
To be fair NOTHING works on Vista...
EBursey 3 years ago
And cheers for mentioning Jing-Project, I've been trying to recall the name for months. (Is it me or have I commented on every video you've done Today?)
EBursey 3 years ago
I-Player is also to support, Wii and PS3, Not X-box obviously. but here in aust. we can download shows from ABC1 in WMA or MP4 it's crazy good.
Mickice 3 years ago
Ok - they support firefox now!
seanturner70 3 years ago
2:34 and 2:46 lol fucking hilarious i like the whole impression he does it cracks me up everytime "we can't let you copy it because of copyright issues" ROFLMAO
slash4689 3 years ago
There's got to be a way to get it to run on Firefox.
SPeacock 3 years ago
fuck the BBC man, their the shittest at broadcasting football matches, ITV news looks way better than BBC and their logo is booooorrrrring. And they collect the TV licence and waste it on rubbish such as the iplayer.
And anyway hve u ever tried Internet Explorer 7? If its shit then IE itself is fucked up.
kooora18 3 years ago
Please stop pulling those faces. It scares me.
Richard4859 4 years ago
Hi Robert,
Nice video.
About a year ago, I was 'introduced' to Red Dwarf, and ever since then, I have been a big fan of you [Kryten]. Your performance was absolutly fantastic. It's too bad RD didn't go into Season 9 and on.
Keep the reviews coming, and yes, I do agree with SpiroEx. It is nice to see someone talking sense.
Regards,
LB
LuminolBlue 4 years ago
Nice to see someone 'in the industry' talking sense.
Note to swearingmonster. The main problem with IE is it's a huge security risk especially on the PC where it is a major part of the Kernel - that's the core of the Windows operating system. If I use Firefox and someone compromises its security there's a limit to what they can do. If I use IE and it's compromised my entire computer is potentially compromised.
SpiroEx 4 years ago 3
wots wrong with internet explorer!?
SwearingMonster 4 years ago
ie is still the most widly used internet browser. They're just pandering to the masses and drm is simply a tool for making the guys with ties and suits shut up about people copying.
However you are right. a simple website that allows people to watch anything at any time would be perfect, nobody would copy because it's simply easier to do it legaly. People are lazy.
xhable 4 years ago
Just to let people know iPlayer is working on Vista and wait for it
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Timalay 4 years ago
Russian subtitles?
You sound like you speak from experience Mr Llewellyn!
noodlemasta 4 years ago 2
I thought it was meant to be short, heh. =P Anyways, IE is balls, way behind its time, full of flaws, security holes and in the end just annoying to use. Windows is also total arse, although XP is better than Vista, less pretty maybe, but still better. And if you want to go back even more, win98 is great, but of course Microsoft stopped supporting it, so its no good for new things. =\
BarelyEinstein 4 years ago
I know that IE sucks, but now that I know about the BBC Iplayer, I am a happy boy. Thanks for this rant Bobby L.
Aggrosj 4 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Man this guy is a knob jockey what is he on.
RobertsonRELlandudno 4 years ago
HAHA
Idiot.
LoveCraken 4 years ago
DRM at the BBC, Why? All programs are broadcast across the country to untold amounts of VCRs, TiVOs & DVD Recorders. Besides all households in the UK are forced by law to pay for the BBC content, Why shouldn't we have a copy if we want to. But tbh why would anyone want an illicit copy of Buy or not to Buy, ROugue Traders or Strictly Come Dancing. COMPLETE BULLSHIT PROGRAMMING!!!
LedVenT 4 years ago
Haha. You're so right. & I've never had Russian subtitles on my downloads, but a fair few Spanish ones. And one in 'Polski'.
xsvsx 4 years ago
You should do these as Kryten.
mattkilleen 4 years ago
good old kryten
billybobsteele 4 years ago
LMFAO at "complete shitttttt!"
rynmcgrory 4 years ago
Yeah. IE is so fragile!
I'm using Firefox at the moment.
Somehow, something designed for Linux (a reliable Op-system) works very well on Windows also.
Most things haven't been adapted for Vista and it's annoying. Vista is beautiful, but still has some security flaws
afterall it's just a BETA so far.
Very interesting rant there bobby. Keep it up.
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xeddieizzardx 4 years ago
Great points Rob. The iPlayer and 4od also install 'Kontiki' software which is impossible to remove by easy means, even uninstallation of the iPlayer or 4od programs. I also liked your video about Paxman. Poignant especially after Dimensiongate: "The BBC is longer interested in the audience Red Dwarf formerly used to attract". Red Dwarf proved how popular it is not only in its audiences back then but how well it performs in DVD sales now which the BBC must make a killing out of!
Matt7895 4 years ago
Hi Robert, Didnt know you had a yutoob site until this saturday at dj (thanks by the way - highlight of the weekend!)
You have said what i have always maintained for 10 years. Drop the prices and no one will copy anything. Mark up may be less but unit sales will increase. When will they wake up?
I will tell you when... The day that the lounge lizards stop making television, and the actual creatives (who live in the real world)can decide what is really needed to make good british tv.
Annalovatt 4 years ago
Its on IE because thats what most people have. Its also still in trial phase. Vista, mac etc etc will follow.
streetwise1981 4 years ago
Robert thats so scary youv been using my computer havnt you
plumlocobob 4 years ago
dont you find it odd thay call it the I-Player clearly rippin off the apple I products name, yet it doesnt play in apple computers
OrielFilms 4 years ago
I.E. SUCKS! I refuse to use it. I have Firefox and Safari on my iMac and they're both way better than I.E. ever was. I have no idea why people bother with IE when better options are available. Oh, I love your goofy voices! That whole "Copyright issues" part had me laughing hard.
ElveeKaye 4 years ago
iPlayer, its a beta, that means its not finished yet. the BBC trust have told the Beeb to get Mac and Linux version out in the next couple of years, unfortunately not many people are familiar with the idea of patience these days and you're clearly not one of them. There'll be alternative browser support soon I expect, Vista looks better??? Jesus have you tried using it?, its crap.
nickdean98 4 years ago
That's the end of any future BBC career mate! LOL Vista "looks great"? Hardly a deep analysis. Vista sucks cycles to power all that eye-candy crap. Anyone with any sense, anyone high-end gaming or anyone video editing sticks with XP; far more reliable, far less hungry. Incidentally, it's easy to run iPlayer on Vista if you really must; do some research next time. Using Firefox for iPlayer on either OS is a piece of cake too. Ill informed, self indulgent ranting Robert, shane on you.
MarkBeeb 4 years ago
Can I add to that rant? You can't see iPlayer programming from the BBC - Internet Suxplorer or not - if you live outside their broadcast range. So, it's not only greed with keeping the content from being "copied" (like they could stop it...you're right) it's their avariciousness that the rest of the world is not their demo. Sad. I might buy a T-shirt from the BBC shops if I knew what "Little Britain" was. (Wait...do they have shops online?)
daphne0 4 years ago
It's not the Beeb making that restriction; it's the rights owners as part of the distribution deal. Sad it may be, but not because the Beeb wants it that way. I suggest a little research before engaging keyboard with fingers in future.
MarkBeeb 4 years ago
And I suggest a little decorum before engaging keyboard with fingers in future. What is it about the anonymity of the internet that brings out the worst in people? Oh, and by the way, I don't think the BBC is run by totalitarians who will end a person's career for opining on a piece of software.
daphne0 4 years ago
So, in a like fashion, accusations of "greed" and "avariciousness" aren't also symptoms of the worst in people being expressed because of perceived anonymity? And the use of the acronym LOL should have given the game away; I was JOKING about career limitation. I enjoy Mr Llewellyn's work immensely on most occasions. I think Mr Llewellyn's rant on this subject was ill-informed and self-regarding.
Oh, and my advice is don't bother finding out any more about Little Britain; it's shite.
MarkBeeb 4 years ago
Oh, I am not under anonymity...you can reach me through the videos I've posted. But since you signed up mere minutes before posting derogatory remarks it DOES look a bit suspect. And as for my remarks about the BBC and the DRM...(continued because I can't shut up after 500 characters)
daphne0 4 years ago
...the reason they do not allow downloading outside the UK is because UK viewers have already paid for the content through tax, outside countries have not. THAT is what I am talking about. Instead of making the content downloadable (is that a word?) they could have created a streaming player. Many studios already have similar players on their sites. However, BBC has opted for the "download" aspect which keeps the viewing specific to their demo instead of sharing content with the World.
daphne0 4 years ago
Not true Daphne, it's because the rights owners want to keep their options for overseas sales open.
And there IS a new streaming player in the pipeline. Robert's bleating about an intial BETA,; there's much more to come.
And I registered just to comment on a subject I'm interested in; I don't spend my lfe in here.
MarkBeeb 4 years ago
Television is taxed in the UK, so in essence the people of the UK own the programming. There are secondaty rights holders for some programs, but the BBC does hold right to shows they produce...like with their radio programs. Here's a link with some information from the BBC...take a look at 3.1. (You'll have to edit the link since YouTube doesn't allow them...it's safe, I promise.)bbc(DOT)co(DOT)uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/consult/decisions/on_demand/decision(DOT)txt
daphne0 4 years ago
Sadly, the level of content completely owned by the BBC is incredibly small. iPlayer would have little or no content to distribute were it to eschew the use of DRM. The TV licence fee in the UK does NOT confer ownership rights on anything broadcast by the BBC. The article states "the BBC is not free to distribute content however it
chooses since there are third parties who hold rights in BBC content." This applies to over 90% of broadcast material.
MarkBeeb 4 years ago
You could say most of that about 4OD (Channel Four On Demand) as well!
Did you ever watch my video reply to your Telly Talk 3, BTW, Robert?
OldVideoPro 4 years ago
I had a friend who was downloading some movie that had just come out in Japan at the time (because it had her favorite actor in it), and she was surprised that the film was upside down. All the way through. I laughed.
So, yes, why not just buy it in good quality for cheap? I don't understand fans. :/
ThemHooligans 4 years ago
yes your defeintly right with everything you said about Internet Explorer.
1Haze1 4 years ago
Man aren't you a fucking whiner
OzMills 4 years ago
wouldnt worry about it not being vista compatable , that will change im sure. after all its only in Beta still.
SmOkM 4 years ago
I'm using Mozilla Firefox,
I think it's great,
Go get Mozilla Firefox it is much more better than Internet Explorer.
VideoPal01 4 years ago
i know Internet Explorer is crap
insaneshredders 4 years ago
rants are great. Nice one! Microsoft wants to control the world.. all hail Bill Gates! :0)
markapsolon 4 years ago
Never mind mozzila, opera is the best browser out there :P
LordFish 4 years ago
iPlayer can be made to work with Vista it just requires a small change in the registry to alter IE's settings - do a search on google and you will find it.
dmackland 4 years ago
but thats not as simple to do
why cant the bbc just make a you tube channel and get permission to exceed the 10 minute limit. in my experience if you can see it with your eyes it can be copied in a lossless way so stick it on you tube where 90% of users wont know how to copy it and of the 10% remaining 0.2% will even think about getting a copy on there pc.
snolan1990 4 years ago
Because they're not allowed to.
andrewwigglesworth 4 years ago
Brilliant. The hoi polloi _strongly_ approves or your rant. Thanks.
fuckthepain 4 years ago
Vista looks better and is easier to understand, so it's obviously superior to all that other old Windows rubbish.
You sure fit in with the Mac crowd.
Kalkbrenner 4 years ago
Nice rant!
I agree with most of it.
As a VISTA user, I can only assume that microsoft are trying to let us all have the MAC experience.
Nothing works with it! It seems to be incompatable with most stuff.
I'm sure it'll improve but...
portland182 4 years ago
No it won't. You're fucked.
mushroomjay 4 years ago
I argee, the iPlayer is a waste of time, I don't know why the BBC bother, they like the waste other people time.
socialdemocratic98 4 years ago
FFS! every page on that site has the word BETA writtern on it, the program isnt even finished, yes i'd be PISSED if it was the final version but it isnt.
simond10 4 years ago
Couldn't agree with you more on this one! Internet Explorer is a pile of shite, but then again that's the beeb for ya I suppose
DaleksFearMe 4 years ago
Well, if you hate Internet Explorer that much mate you should really get Mozilla Firefox on your PC. It's quicker, more efficient and doesn't share the same habit as IE for sucking up your system resources every time it waves a little white flag. Google it, download it and enjoy (it even has a add-on which allows you to view Internet explorer only pics, IE tab). Look into it, you won't be disappointed.
Roffey2 4 years ago
I share your hate of DRM Robert. It's completely useless.
The only online music store I bother doing business with is Bleep dot com. Here's why, this is from their FAQ:
Finally, Bleep files have no 'DRM' or copy protection built in. We believe that most people like to be treated as customers and not potential criminals - DRM is easily circumvented and just puts obstacles in the way of enjoying music.
cre2 4 years ago
Agreed! Great site. One way to demonstrate how it can work well for everybody without DRM, would be to buy from this site and DON'T then share out the files over your peer-to-peer network :) If music can work this way, then why not video?
gibletparade 4 years ago
Considering how Copyright works in media as a general thing. You would think that making something Cheap, Reliable, User friendly and EASIER to obtain then the copyed stuff people download, would not only go the right way to decrease copying in general (you'll never get rid of it...) but would also MAYBE install more faith in the peopl ethat create the content and maybe drive up DVD sales and such.
wolfos 4 years ago
I'm sorry, my last two text responses were to other comments but they ended up as replies in their own right!?
executiverocker 4 years ago
Is the iplayer beta? I was sure it was..
Anyway.. If there was a program, made and produced by the bbc, surely they would produce it for XP and WMP? Yeah lets produce it for linux and winamp? Thats catering for the masses!
iplayer IS rubbish, no doubt about it! I have the button unchecked saying dont start with windows, but what does it do?.... uhuh!
I would love to buy movies right here, right now, but there isnt enough "bandwidth" apparently to support that sort of service.
executiverocker 4 years ago
I found myself nodding throughout.
hgtfsdrfdfd 4 years ago
Well done Bobby, what a FANTASTIC rant! You need to do more on this kind of stuff mate, you'd be a great spokesman for an awful lot of frustrated and annoyed PC users! Bravo, you've got me cheering here like a loon, and I'm gonna go play that again now!
MikeandEllie 4 years ago
I got Vista yestarday!! It's AWSOME!!
mikeysa 4 years ago
Well Done Robert for this. I was about to get Iplayer for my computer.
Barry20032007 4 years ago
The iplayer content is also only available in the UK.
The BBC world content on Youtube is only available to people outside the UK.
The BBC still has some excellent programmes, but they are very silly and should be sent to bed without a mug of Ovaltine.
Banshun 4 years ago
The BBC is paid for by British licence fee payers. BBC World is run commercially for broadcasting, erm, around the world.
andrewwigglesworth 4 years ago
It is annoying that iPlayer requires IE, but I just checked Channel 4's similar "4oD" service, and it requires:
- A Windows XP or a Windows Vista PC
- IE 5.5, 6 or 7
Of course, the reason both Ch4 and BBC have to use DRM is that the production companies demand it. They would not get the rights to make shows available on-demand at all if they did not use it.
I agree it's a waste of time, but tell that to the production companies YOU work for, Mr Llewellyn!
gibletparade 4 years ago
Brilliant........... if DRM was even part of an answer then all CD's would contain it. Yeah, get on with it BBC..... and drop the GeoIP as well !!!
realbworld 4 years ago
I do agree DRM is a waste of time, but please also remember the i-player is still in beta at the moment so it makes total sense to design the first version for the most widely available platform with the most widely used browser. Also the beta test isn't just about the software, it's making sure all the back end networking stuff can actually cope with the demand.
ruuman 4 years ago
Hey Robert! You're truly one of the best ranters on You Tube! I love it!
komikero 4 years ago
Corporation surly!
urbanimage 4 years ago
Good Rant, so what do you use instead of Internet Explorer because i use internet explorer and it can be very sh*t (as you so accurately put it)..
paulforster 4 years ago
Well, you could try FireFox from mozillaDOTorg -roll- url restrictions are so kindergarten. Feel like I need a nappy.
KeeperOfTheGood 4 years ago
i used firefox, but comp slows down after a while and some sites are still not compatible!
executiverocker 4 years ago
Yes, Firefox can go slow at moments, but, it is continually being improved. The working beta is into version 3.x and that is still a year or so from release. Some updates have been poorer than others, and some better. With all this, it still outclasses IE.
KeeperOfTheGood 4 years ago
aye, i liked firefox! but a few essential websites at the time such as odeon (which i think has nmow changed?) would not work in it, so when IE got an update I moved to it!
I guess its like moving banks!
executiverocker 4 years ago
The BBC's relationship with the internet is bizarre anyway.
OhSmeg 4 years ago
A worthy rant for an unworthy BBC.
I quite agree. DRM doesn't work. Lately the hacker community has been releasing hacks *before* a DRM product even hits the market. The only way to stop it is to lock down PCs from their owners - which Sony tried to do with its rootkit, and the negative publicity sent them scurrying into a hasty retreat. It's definitely time for a new business model for content creators.
Urgelt 4 years ago
the problem is that anything released online CAN be hacked!
who sees in ten years time the return of going back into high stores to buy goods?:D
executiverocker 4 years ago
The only way is forward, I think.
How can Robert make a living producing TV shows?
One answer: embrace cheap technologies. It need not cost a million bucks to make a single episode. Reduced revenue streams can be tolerated if expenses are minimal.
A home PC can be equipped with more powerful content creation tools today than entire studios had available 10 years ago.
Urgelt 4 years ago
You're right man, Internet Explorer certainly sucks ass! A very nice rant indeed! Hey, you're gonna be in Deb's new video! Yey! She's got loadsa people to do their little bit. Should be a nice little vid. Dan =:D
Abasudika 4 years ago
Jing project you say? Ahh no more Russian subtitles YAY
KeeperOfTheGood 4 years ago
***WARNING*** DO NOT TRY TO GO TO: JingProject dot com! My browser crashed everytime I tried to visit that site.
guidotnb 4 years ago
IE is so crap that even BT recognises this and has created it's own browser which is pretty good and is pleasent to look at.
GryphinWarrior 4 years ago
Jing Project?
premolar 4 years ago
cool video! but yeah i'm glad it doesn't run on vista. lol I had vista, horrible horrible os! It crashed frequently and instead of claiming an error they say "hardware error, please contact your vendor" no matter what. That way they don't claim responsibility for the error. hahah
bjhorton2005 4 years ago
SWISH!
Duckmyster 4 years ago
Spot on as always Mr.L.
It's interesting that you raise the point of being able to grab something for a quid via your PC, and that's what almost all tech companies are working towards now. I work as a network engineer for a major UK ISP and I know that if we somehow managed to get reliable DSL, with NO BANDWIDTH CAPS then we'd make a killer, tie that with some form of pennies to watch movie/tv system then it would wipe the marketplace.
Nice dream though isn't it...
andybrown21 4 years ago