Noam Chomsky: Necessary Illusions - Thought Control in a Democratic Society Part 1 (1989)

[xlucim]

He's Woody Allen in character.

[DeviantFormula]

Well of course the U.N. will back the Palestinians...they back anything and everything that's anti-U.S.; and majority of palestinians are devout Muslims content with hating the infidel.

As for the U.N. "promoting peace", what a terrible record they have; Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, China, etc. Thanks to the U.N., atrocities in Africa and elsewhere continue to this day. You might think the U.N. "promotes peace", I see it as promoting corruption. Saddam and UN's "Oil for Food" made him rich...haha

[rivier4]

1989

[mdoob11]

@staticenz It's this simple, staticienz. If a person wants to be taken seriously, they will, upon making contentious propositions, rise to the challenge of attempting to prove them. I repeat, then, that you've failed, as I suspected. Any attempt to evade this perfectly reasonable and in fact responsible expectation would offer credence to the charge of "charlatan".

[mdoob11]

@staticenz What better a place to be pretentious than on youtube? As to the dispute, I rest my case. "I guarantee you will be unsuccessful, testimony to the point I was making: Chomsky exemplifies Genius. Good day, charlatan"

[mdoob11]

@staticenz You've already committed an error. His influence is not restricted to "a select few circles", unless you think computer language, philosophy (specifically of the mind), psychology (specifically cognitive, as well as doing away with behavioral), neuroscience, and so on, are "a select few" lol. Further, there are many who've made incredulous achievements in other fields, and aren't on the top 1000 quoted list, let alone the 8th most ever and most for a living person. Try again.

[mdoob11]

@staticenz You speak of sophistry and make an utterly ridiculous association between C and H. Before I listen to any more of your quite transparent, and quite shallow I might add, attempt to slander the Chomper, I submit a modest request: please indicate a view, believe, factual assertion, you get the point, of Chomsky's that you purport is incorrect, explaining briefly why. I guarantee you will be unsuccessful, testimony to the point I was making: Chomsky exemplifies Genius. Good day, charlatan

[mdoob11]

@staticenz It's not a stretch. In social science and arts and humanities indexes, Chomsky is the most cited living man, and the 8th most of all time. Indeed, Professor Chomsky is in illustrious company. The top ten cited sources during the period were: Marx, Lenin, Shakespeare, Aristotle, the Bible, Plato, Freud, Chomsky, Hegel and Cicero. So, excuse you when you claim it's a stretch. Are you unfamiliar with his revolutionary work in linguistics, revolutionary in a number of disciplines?

[DeviantFormula]

@DoNotBeHighandMighty

Now I know you're just a useful idiot for the leftist cause. Lenin smiles upon you.

Anyhoo, outside of name calling as you are very good at; my point still stands:

Chomsky is a well-known anti-semite and would love to see anyone supporting the Iraq war to be thrown in jail (without due process [might wanna look that up]) or even tortured. These statements come from him directly.

If someone other then a far-left liberal said this, they'd be in deep trouble.

[DeviantFormula]

WEAR CIA-PROOF TIN-FOOL HATS!!!

OMGOMGOMG

He speaks of upholding 1st amendment (aka speech) rights...yet...wasn't this the college professor who said pro-Iraq war activists should "go to jail" and be tortured just for peacefully protesting?

So much for freedom...

..what a hypocrite.

Chomsky's "necessary illusion" must be his own delusion?

...does Chomsky still hate Jews?

I'm gonna steal his swastika armband from him and burn it.

[grantorgeir]

@DeviantFormula sounds like you got something wrong there. he has never said pro iraq war activists should be tortured. sounds like you heard something you wanted to hear so it could fit your world view.

just because one is pro palestine does not mean you hate jews. it's the people who wants israel to continue to occupy palestine that is rooting for israels self destruction. being against the occupation is the most pro israel you can be.

[DeviantFormula]

@grantorgeir

No, he has made several statements in various medias that called for pro-Iraq war activists to be jailed and even tortured.

I would bet that in private conversations with his pals, he's gone even further....

As for him hating Jews, he's a known anti-Semite...again, do some research outside of YouTube...youtube makes a lousy "research" source.

[grantorgeir]

@DeviantFormula really. That's just ridiculous. He is a supporter of human rights, and would never want anyone to be tortured. Either you got him severely misquoted from somewhere or you are just inventing this.

I don't know where you do your research but I KNOW you can't show me a quote of Noam Chomsky supporting torture, and nothing about him being an anti semite either(except when people call him that for propaganda purposes)

[DeviantFormula]

@grantorgeir

Of course, he supports human rights...just not for Jews or Americans (b/c America is the Great Satan as he calls it).

He also denies the Cambodian genocide during the 70's by the Communists. Says Soviet Russia/Stalin was better than America (forget the hudreds of millions of executions by Stalin). Calls Isreal "Little Satan".

[shakur420]

@DeviantFormula He "denies the Cambodian genocide"?? HAHA. Sure. Thanks for explaining to everyone how unfamiliar you are with Chomsky and his work. Do your homework, you might not look so ignorant.

[DeviantFormula]

@shakur420

Thanks for not explaining your rebuttal....other than the typical, "I'm right b/c I said so" argument which is prevalent among morons....

Do your homework, you might not look so common...

:)

[shakur420]

@DeviantFormula lol, I didn't realize that I needed to do your work for you. The amount of available literature and videos involving Chomksy's scholarship regarding the Indochina wars are staggering. The fact that you even deny that is ample reason to assume that you're talking out of your ass. Do I really need to tell you to google the word "Chomsky" with relevant words like "Cambodia", "Indochina", "Vietnam", "Khmer Rouge", "Pol Pot". Is that really necessary? lol

[DeviantFormula]

@shakur420 Oh you're right Shakur420...I'll believe a man who says, and I quote word for word, "I would ask the listener whether he harbours any guilt for having supported Hitler and the Holocaust and insisting the Jews be sent to extermination camps. It has the same answer. Since it never happened, I obviously can't have any guilt for it."

Now, go smoke some more weed and believe in fairy tales; they go hand in hand with sister mary jane. Btw, pothead holiday 4-20 = Hitler's B-day...lol, gj..

[grantorgeir]

@DeviantFormula no he doesn't deny the cambodian genocide, that's a lie. And I agree with him that people shouldn't be called anti-semitic just because they believe something like that. I think the people who believe that the holocaust took place are wrong, but it doesn't automatically follow that they are anti-semite!

[DeviantFormula]

@grantorgeir

Some Quotes: "I see no anti-Semitic implications in denial of the existence of gas chambers, or even denial of the holocaust. Nor would there be anti-Semitic implications, per se, in the claim that the holocaust (whether one believes it took place or not) is being exploited, viciously so, by apologists for Israeli repression and violence."

[DeviantFormula]

@grantorgeir

Chomsky also said, "There's little doubt that those under the military occupation would be much better off if the occupation were terminated. Does it follow that we should bomb Tel Aviv?"

[grantorgeir]

@DeviantFormula and as for the quote about Tel Aviv, that is a rhetorical question and the obvious answer is NO! He's just applying the same logic Israel uses when they defend bombing Gaza, to show them how if you apply it the other way around, the obvious answer is no.

So, if it's wrong for Tel Aviv it is wrong for Gaza. As you probably know, Chomsky was very much opposed to the bombing of Gaza, why would he be for bombing Tel Aviv?

[shakur420]

@DeviantFormula The argument is that if people reject the notion of Palestinians defending themselves by bombing civilian areas, like tel aviv, then the same standard applies to those who attack Gaza under the (non-existent) guise of self defense. Palestinians, according to the UN, the Geneva Conventions, the ICJ and all Human Rights groups on the planet have every right to use force to defend themselves againsts the zionists. There is no such bases for attacking the Palestinians.

[DeviantFormula]

@shakur420 Everyone has the right to self-defense, despite what any corrupt organization like the U.N, ICJ or Human Rights Commission says. That's not the point when it comes to your argument though. Palestinians do not want peace, nor are they merely "defending" themselves. They committ terrible atrocities in the name of Allah. And to be fair, Israel committs atrocities too.

Nonetheless, Palestinians love war, and they will never commit to peace until killing every Jew...

[shakur420]

@DeviantFormula lol, if you bothered to check the facts, you would notice that every year for the last 4 decades, the entire world votes for peace at the UN, while the U.S., the colonizers and a few other client states vote "no". You would know that the PLO joined the international consensus around '76 (peaceful solution based on '67 borders). You would know that HAMAS came after colonization, occupation, etc.

[shakur420]

@DeviantFormula ...You would know that even the most ardent zionists (Goldstone, Shlomo Ben Ami, Benny Morris, etc.) admit that Palestinians are defending against the aggression of colonization and genocide (or "population transfer" if the term makes you feel better). The UN resolutions, Geneva Conventions, ICJ and human rights NGOs simply solidify the legality of the native's position.

[grantorgeir]

@DeviantFormula sounds like you got something wrong there. he has never said pro iraq war activists should be tortured. sounds like you heard something you wanted to hear so it could fit your world view. sounds like a sound bite.

just because one is pro palestine does not mean you hate jews. it's the people who want israel to continue to occupy palestine that are rooting for israels self destruction. being against the occupation is the most pro israel you can be.

[EsotericWorldViews]

Locke is wrong - we're born with genetic memory.

[wubbadubdub]

chomsky. fuck yeah!

[dopeskies]

Chomsky is truly one of the greatest minds out there

[ShaktipatSeer]

@dopeskies Shit what do you mean 'greatest minds'? In America he's the ONLY mind.

[mabell01]

@ShaktipatSeer That's discounting yourself and others.

[Bodhidharma1986]

@ShaktipatSeer I like Chomsky. Read his books. Whatchya think about Robert Anton WIlson? Too silly or "conspiratorial"? I think the healthy agnostic view permeating his writings about things and policies are interesting. "Reality-tunnels" as well.