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  • Love to have one reproduced for personal collection someday if it becomes possible.

  • Glad to know the aircraft is still airworthy.

    Too bad that are no Mitsubishi J2M Raiden or allied code name Jack, flying. As a matter of fact I don't know if there even exists a static one at a museum.

    Those were really mean when they did intercept the B-29's.

  • All those times my older brother called me a ZERO! Little did I know.

  • I neglected to mention, the Lawrence Wackett, 'Aircraft Pioneer' book, was published back in 1972. Interesting History. What IF ... IF Australian politicians had wanted to establish, an aircraft industry, just a little earlier?

  • The information about Sir Lawrence Wackett & the Zero came from his book, 'Aircraft Pioneer', Halstead Press Sydney. ISBN 0 207 12378 0. He said the prototype "was a superb offer, .... & had we been a little further advanced I would have closed with the Vought Company ". Mitsubishi "saved years in development of a first rate fighter. They went straight into production of the Vought with very few modifications & had Zeros in quantity for the Pacific war ...."

  • Zero 'Prototype' BUILT in USA! An Australian, Sir Lawrence James Wackett, in the process of setting up the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation (CAC) factory, visited factories in the US & Europe (incl. Germany) in 1937. The Vought Company had missed out on a fighter contract for the US Navy & offered him the prototype & drawings for $50,000. He was only after an advanced trainer & rejected the offer. Mitsubishi bought it. Hackett recognised it during the war, when he saw a downed Zero .

  • if you just can't get enough of this aircraft you must think about the ww2...when your triger happy pilots shuts them down like flies:( are you kidding me?

  • Amazing engine sound.

  • someone told me that this one ended up crashing. is that true?

  • @parice: It's not true. In fact the aircraft flew last December 3rd (2011) as part of the Planes of Fame Museum's monthly symposium series held on the first Saturday of each month (see the museum's website). The aircraft is in great condition!

  • What a very distinctive sound.

  • Hi.. I'm the ZERO.. Thanks for watching..

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  • I think this debate or rather heated discussion about race, and taking it to personal levels is absolutely ridiculous.

    If we are WW2 aircraft buffs, let's enjoy the sound and sights of the aircraft and nothing more for the love of God. Respect is the word, respect.

  • Wow! Zero calories and all that Japanese taste? :D

  • I enjoyed reading your write-up. I'm wondering, how did they get the Zero to Japan? I assume it had to be shipped - the logistics of that ferry flight are beyond imagining.

  • @riderpoet: Hi-- The Zero was flown from Chino, California airport to nearby Long Beach airport and then towed on city streets to Los Angeles Harbor! It was then hoisted by crane onto the aft deck of a Japanese freighter ship for the trip to Japan. Thanks!

  • @octane130 Thanks for the info. I'm a 3000 pilot and flight instructor who left aviation in part because I realized that I was never going to find a way to fly the planes of my childhood dreams - WWII fighters. I have long felt that I was born to fly hot taildraggers, but unfortunately that train has sailed.

  • @riderpoet I believe the aircraft was shipped intact but if needed it could be separated just behind the cockpit quite quickly IIRC. That permitted the aircraft to ride sideways on railcars and road transports. A quite novel solution to a problem.

  • The Zero isn't a brilliant fighter. The entire reason for the extreme measures of making the airframe light is that they cannot create a proper engine to match the world standard, and had to make it light to achieve similar performace. The results are poor protection, easiness to catch on fire after being hit, and slow dive speed limit.

    The psychological effect of Zeros being great fighters is mostly credited to extremely skillful Japanese pilots (which were ironically not protected in any way)

  • Someone need to learn looking at the indicator of their capslock, and turn it off when it's on.

    Ad Hominem is also an invalid form of argument, if you consider that an argument at all.

  • HEY DICK HEAD JOHN..OR WHAT EVER YOU LAME USER NMAE IS. VERY PLAIN AND SIMEPLE SO THAT AN IDIOT LIKE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND...SUCK IT..

  • Those sounds while it was flying....gave me chills....

  • sounds like a harley motorrcycle at one point

  • @Tankbuster1138 HEY ASSHOLE, DONT EVEN COMPARE THIS PIECE OF JAP JUNK TO ANY PART OF AN AMERICAN HARLEY YA MORON!!

  • @whokeithmoon jesus christ dude i wasnt makin a comparison or a joke i was just merly commenting that as the zero flew by it just sounded like a harley davidson motorcycle dont have to make a fus about it

  • fuck USA!

  • @kokashi88 FUCK JAPAN. TOJO!!!!

  • 00:40

  • Now, I fall in love with this. The most beatiful warplane of the WW2...

  • @kokashi88 DUMB ASS THE SPITFIRE AND MUSTANG ARE.THIS IS JUNK...PILOTED BY ASSHOLES IN WW2

  • @kokashi88 yes but japan lost war so japanese are losers forever

  • @kokashi88 yes but japan lost so japan is loser forever

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  • Wooow what a beauty she is

  • @Aguijon1982 IT WAS A HUNK OF JUNK EASILY SHOT DOWN BY AMERICAN PLANES IT WAS A DEATH TARP.!!WAKE UP DUMMY

  • @whokeithmoon

    Whatever you say pal, but keep your shit to yourself. For me and some others, Its a beauty.

  • remenber hirosima

    

  • the video makes the engine sound like a rock being rattled in a metal can.

  • @heyitsjonn0110

    No the sound is good:the engine's sound particular: i known it but the Sakae is a evolution from the French Gnome et Rhone 14N (also install on the Bloch MB152)

  • @heyitsjonn0110 YEAH THE SAME SOUND YOUR HEAD MAKES WHEN YOU MAKE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT ONE.

  • @whokeithmoon talk to me once you've finally gathered enough intelligence to turn of your caps lock off ;)

  • *runs off to play IL-2"

  • beautiful aircraft...this thing caused pure harsh fear to every US pilot during the campaign in the Pacific.

  • It is sad to think of the loss of life at the hand of the zero, but at the same time, the aircraft is indifferent. It was doing exactly what it was designed to do and has no emotion. The B-29 also destroyed and killed a large number of people yet we look at that aircraft with the utmost pride because it was the machine that ended the war in the pacific (both atomic and napalm). The bottom line, war is ugly, aircraft are not.

  • @kirk2425 THIS PIECE OF JAP JUNK,SHOULD BE CRASHED RIGHT INTO TOKYO.!

  • @whokeithmoon That really is a ignorant comment.

  • @WALTERBROADDUS what dodnt tell me your a jap lover??.maybe you should read a little info on ww2 ya dummy..

  • @whokeithmoon Jap lover? What time warp do you live in? I'm very familiar with WW2. The people of Japan have been our friends & Allies for over 50 years. The racist trash talking is really not called for. To call the Zero, "junk" is ridiculous. it was a well crafted and designed machine. The War is long over.

  • @WALTERBROADDUS obviously you know nothing about ww2 planes, the only thing it had going for it self was slight more speed.it was like sitting in a balsa wood plane, no protection for the gook pilot, and couldnt turn for shit, not let me clue you in on something else.i bet you are one of those idiots that drives a jap car,dodnt mind using jap products, a real american right you work in american you owe your life to america but are ok with japs.you of all people should know better,being black

  • @whokeithmoon Not just speed. Rate of climb, range,turning ability. All in a carrier fighter.

    To achieve this, trade offs were made. It was designed with a different mindset than you use to judge a aircraft. It's like comparing a Fencing Foil to a broadsword. It's only failure is in the lack of development to match that of it's foes after 1943.

  • @WALTERBROADDUS yeah how about the 200 u.s. soliders they put in a cave and burned alive? how about the chineese people they tortued raped and de capatated and put there heads on the antennas of there tanks, how about pearl harbor. the death march. and now juyst like the snaekay bastards they are, have slowly taken over a large part of the american economy. another sheep you are, o there our allies nowWAKE UP SHEEP OPEN YOUR EYES. YOUR ANOTHER LAZY SIT BACK DUMB ASS.

  • @whokeithmoon You know it is XMAS? Peace, love, goodwill to all? The War is over. Move on. The world has. I don't hear you bemoaning German or Soviet actions? As for the USA? In 200+ years of war, our hands are not clean. What we did to other Americans in the Civil War was beyond disgraceful. Opinions are good to have, but the anger burning in your heart based on these comments will eat you up long term. Really, You need to chill.....

  • Is the propeller on her fixed or variable?

  • @SgtGrant23

    Variable.

  • just went to an air show today and they had a simulation dogfight with this plane and a hell cat. it was awesome

  • tha plan is beast

  • @williams4722 TALK RIGHT FUCK HEAD

  • @whokeithmoon hey buddy. I can get you into a nice school to teach you everything you didnt learn, which is everything. and if you don't, maybe i can meet you in a dark alley and we can have a long talk. ill bring a big black body bag just incase, you psycho path. i should readjust your head back onto your shoulders. it's getting rusty between your legs, breh. i pray for you to keep the demons away from your psycho villain soul.

  • @whokeithmoon even if you are a war vet, what you said makes me disrespect you. if your gonna act like this, you might as well look in the mirror, break the glass, and cut your main arteries.

  • @whokeithmoon stop using your library's computer and get a damn job, you inbred bucktoothed idiot. your grammar sucks like bill gates' zune. go play a banjo and get poisoned from your moon shine. your comments waste our space. your like cancer, but worse. we about kill ourselves just to get rid of you. you keep coming back. we even smoke marijuana just to make ourselves eat and to forget about you. just gtfo.

  • @xXHAL0Xx1 LOL..HALO BOY...I REAL WANNA B. HUH??. I BET YOU LIKE LEVEL SIX LITTLE BOY DODNT YA...HALO BOY..LMAO...WHAT A JOKE U AND YOUR NAME R....IM DONE WITH YOU. LAME IDIOT.

  • @whokeithmoon HA, YOUR A FUCKING DUMB ASS ARENT YOU. I MADE THIS ACCOUNT 3 FUCKING YEARS AGO. I FUCKING HATE HALO. BET YOU WONT BE ABLE TO GET THIS INTO YOUR PUNY ASS BRAIN. AND LEVEL SIX? WTF. I DONT EVEN PLAY THOSE GAMES. YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT IS A JOKE? YOUR EGO, YOUR POPULARITY, AND YOUR EDUCATION. YOU LITTLE DUMB BITCH. GO BACK TO KINDERGARTEN.

  • SHIT, it's Japs!

  • @ChicaWolverina FUCK HIDE EVERTHING IT IS JAPS

  • nice,very nice. thumbs up 5*

  • I wish they could locate original engines with the incorrect pratt and whitney crap engines .... nothing sounds like a real zero engine ! I do wish they would get that japan jack fighter flying next !

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  • @apatheticempathy heard one in the -ONLY- TRUE Original "Planes of Fame" Sakie engine.

  • @apatheticempathy

    Here is the problem: Japanese copied Pratt & Whitney engine down to the "Pratt & Whitney" logo cast on the engine block! They made a perfect copy of it! Technically, we had a US design engine mounted in an airframe shooting back at Americans.

  • A6M5-Model 52 c/n 4340 ,tail code 61-120, 261°Kokutai ,captured on Saipan 1944.Restored in flying conditions Planes of Fame Chino,Ca code NX46770.

    Motorized with original Nakajima NK1-Sakae 21.

  • This engine was a evolution from the French Gnome Rhone 14K radial engine, (license buy from Japan before the war) and continuously improved from the Japanese engineers during the war.

  • @oiseautempete THATS ABOUT RIGHT, THE UNGREATFUL FRENCH FROG EATERS MASKING A PIECE OF SHIT FOR THE JAPS GOOKS!!

  • @whokeithmoon

    ???You are a bit stupid i see... The engine was license sold before the war, and this engine was'nt a piece of shit but a excellent engine: one evolution modell (raped on the Bloch MB157 prototype in 1942) was copied by the nazis to improve the BMW from the FW190...

    The "zero" was built like a aeroclub aircraft, this is the secret from he's performance at debut from the war, but later, the evolution was small and the plane fast outclassed from the US fighters

  • RicePower !

  • BANZAI!!!!!!!!!!

  • As far as I know, only the two first and the two very last Zeros were equipped with Mitsubishi engines. The rest had Nakajima engines...

  • красавец!

  • Beautiful... I love the P51, and before this video I had never heard an original Zero sound... Its gorgeous :)

  • @fiftycaliberfistfk: If you do that, do fly over the sea because if you do it over certain parts of the islands, I bet those vets still have the firepower to light up your flying matchbox, pal.

  • I wish I had one. Superb range, horsepower, and economy. Regardless of the history, the U.S. is now a backwards nation in every respect including aviation. The A6M3 Zero is all that any one of us can afford to fly, and is the future of GA in America. Japan is ultimately victorious. Ha!

  • If I lived in Hawaii, this would be my choice of a warbird to build a replica of. Just to scare the old veterans and have them pull out their Lugers and shoot into the air at me..

  • @50caliberFistFK Yeah, and the way the Zero was built, if a single Luger round hit it, it would come apart like a cheap suit.

  • @50caliberFistFK "Did we quit when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

    The Vets on Pearl would pull out M1911's and .50's.

  • @50caliberFistFK don't worry about the haters, imperial japan all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!! can i get a banzai?

  • great plane, the united states air force molded the Hell Cat from a downed Zero. The only reason that the Hell Cat is really better is because its easy to be out numbered, when your a zero

  • @adcac5 There are a lot more reasons a Hellcat is better than a Zero. The Zero actually had serious weaknesses that weren't apparent early on when it was the only thing in the sky. Once the US began to build planes that were no longer obsolete, those weaknesses became glaringly apparent, and US planes massacred Zeros by the thousands, with kill ratios that went into the dozens to one.

  • I saw this aircraft at both Camarillo and the air show in El Centro. Japanese Zero + P51 + Blue Angels was a major win for the day!

  • this planes sound scared americans just as bad as the mg42 but i cant believe the technoligy today in f22 and f66 compared to that and the zero is still cooler :D

  • that sound is sexy but the planes history is a shame...dumb japs

  • That was the sound that scarried thousand of american soldiers....AMAZING SOUND

  • @brunohoffma Same sound that kill thousand of Americans soldiers, that I agree with, but this is the sound that killed thousands of innocent people /watch?v=vxNnUU3eRD0 and left thousands more scarred for live and even millions are still suffering because of it. Who is more In human in their actions?

  • I saw this plane in Nashville Tennessee. It was paired with a Grumman Hellcat. The Zeke sounded very fragile to me, but I guess that is the way they sound. Weird feeling seeing a Zero overhead.

  • Could people tell if they are enemies just by the sound of engines ?

  • @Ilovecomedy7 Yes they could, those engine sounds had very distinctive tones, just like people voices. They were fully recognizable by trained ears. Just for the try, listen to this and compare it to a Spitfire sound, or to a Corsair sound, and you'll tell the difference at once.

  • @GekkoKamen This sounds a lot more 'throbbing' kinda like a big V-twin. Beautiful.

  • Beautiful plane; they sure don't make em like they used to.

  • Holy shit that sounds terrifying, I would have shat myself on the spot if I heard one of those things above my house

  • History is preserved!!! I hope she flies forever!!!!

  • wow! zero caloroies and all that japenese taste

  • I always wondered why Kamikazes wore helmets?? :))

  • @bronxboy67 I would suppose so they can hear instructions or information over the radio.

  • @bronxboy67 Probably for the same reason a person in prison on death row gets his arm swabbed with alcohol before they give the lethal injection! 

  • @MickeyLS  thats funny!!

  • they recovered a Zero fighter from Adak when the inexperinced pilot flipped upside down upon landing in a soggy marsh field

  • Very nice.

  • Great video, great description, and GREAT sound!

  • Great video and sound (you can't beat it)

    Can someone tell me please... Were these engines fitted with the "through the gate device" with gave extra emergency performance over a short time?"

    Thanks for the posting.....

  • is this the a6m5?

  • what an amazing aircraft thanks for the upload :)

    Favorited for sure :)

  • I really like how unique this bird sounds

  • I like the seperate exhaust pipes for each cylinder. The other one flying today with the P&W engine has just one. It was easy on gas, handled well, climed like a rocket(no armor protection!) and stalled at 60. If we had used only two Brownings and did away with our armor protection even our P47 could've performed better.

  • Kyaaa!!!!!! That looks sooo cool! I love it!

  • Beautiful!

  • How close does this engine resemble the Pratt & Whitney 1830?

  • @guynoff They have common roots. There was a lot of cross-pollination between Wright and Pratt&Whitney in the US, Fiat, Gnome, BMW and Bristol in Europe and Japanese and Russian builders. Everyone noticed that it was better both aerodynamically and in terms of power to add extra banks of cylinders instead of just increasing the size of a single bank radial which killed the Hornet line of engines.

  • is it me or it sound's like it's gonna fall apart?

  • @rexsa66

    The round engines rattle and spit. It's part of their character.

  • @EduEnYT

    I'm not really an A6M fan, but I have read that there is a second Sakai powered Zero that will be completed soon for flight in the US. Other Zeros survive in museums and some fly, but only one (now two) fly with the original Japanese radial.

  • I wish I had one of those.

  • In my opinion this aircraft is the best all round fighting machine available to a pilot. A competent pilot would gladly shed the unnecessary weight of pilot protection from enemy bullets for manuverability and advantage. You don't encumber an agile creature with protection that in turn reduces its effectiveness. The Jap zero is the best. I as a pilot would take it above all others in its class. Atleast when I was young! Now at 54 I might opt for a ground position with a fifty cal.

  • @3240590 Hey the Jap zero was a flaming hunk of junk the Flying Tiger P-40s would swoop down + strafe the fuel tanks and scratch one zero. When the B-29's bombed it could not reach their altitude. When Jap Zeros encountered P-38 Lightnings, P-47s, P-51 Mustang and USN Corsairs the Japs would run like squiting diahrea. It did not have self sealing fuel tanks and it was easy kill. Should the plane could maneuver but US Pilots had faster plans and tacitcs the destroyed Japan air cover.

  • @LottoWinner999 At the beginning of the war we had nothing that could touch it one on one. Ultimately we did achieve air superiority. This one here is the only one left airworthy with it's original engine. If you could get a few 50s in it , you're right, it was a ball of fire!

  • @3240590 Ultimately we achieved air superiority? That makes it sound as though it came late in the war. We basically achieved air, sea and land superiority before the first year of the war was over. Some could even argue that from the Battle of Midway on it was a turkey shoot. Midway occurred six months into the war!

  • @LottoWinner999 Are you quite sure of that... they made mincemeat of allied fighters and bombers early on in the conflict. Hence why they are revered articles in museums along with mustangs, spitfires, messcherschmichdts and F-Ws.

  • @Batmanlvr1980 Hey trying watching " Flying Tigers and The Chinese Air Force " on you tube. A small froup of American Pilots worked for the Chinese government and their Curtiss P-40 Warhawks were just as fast as the Zero and better in the dive. The P-40 Warhawk had better armor and 8 50 caliber machine guns. The could not out maneuver the Zero so develoved a diving tactic kill Japs and worked because stopped the Japs from invading Burma and they high kill ratio. Japs were over rated propganda.

  • @LottoWinner999

    Are you sure thats all true, not too belittle american lives, as the Japanese definitely invaded Burma and they nerly broke through into India!

  • @Batmanlvr1980 The came close but they were stopped and Chenaults Flying Tigers stopped Jap covoys on the Burma road with straffing and bombing.

  • In my opinion this aircraft is the best all round fighting machine available to a pilot. A competent pilot would gladly shed the unnecessary weight of pilot protection from enemy bullets for manuverability and advantage. You don't encumber an agile creature with protection that in turn reduces its effectiveness. The Jap zero is the best. I as a pilot would take it above all others in its class. Atleast when I was young! Now at 54 I might opt for a ground position with a fifty cal,

  • Reminds me, I need to boot up IL-2 '46 and try to fly this agile little wonder without crashing.

    The jets and coulda-woulda-shoulda planes they have in there are fine and all, but gotta pay homage to the warbirds that actually flew, y'know?

  • Nice, but I agree with 72z15ss, it would be a tragedy if this awesome treasure is lost in an accident. Put it on static display at a museum.

  • agree ! one of the most magic sounds of ww2 fighter planes

    sorry, but my favourite regarding sound is the me 109 and after this video, the zero.

    best regards from norway

  • @legebakkenb You sound just like a facist loving Axis Nazi!

  • @LottoWinner999 Because he likes the noise the 109's engine makes?

  • @legebakkenb you should give a listen to the good ol P-51 Mustang as well ;)

  • Considering its rarety, hearing this engine run and seeing this bird fly, is PRICELESS!

  • I absolutly adore propeller planes

  • but this shit is the last noise hundreds of men at Pearl Harbor heard >=(

  • @PitbuyllGamingHounds Your point is taken. But on the other hand, most of the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki never heard, (or felt) anything. There was just this really bright light...

  • @Carolyn665 exactly, i would rather not feel anythiong instead of being caught in a cpsized ship thats burning.

  • @PitbuyllGamingHounds this is just one awesome fighter in a history of aircraft. that's it. what you are saying is same as that the B29 noise is the last thing the 100,000 japanese victims heard in Hiroshima.

  • @GodBlessYou2008 they never heard it. it was flying to high to just be heard. and even if it was heard then the japenese would have sent up interseptors. they literally didnt know what happened. and like i said to the  last guy, id rather die imediately rather than be stuck in a burnning ship. while my friends are dying.

  • @PitbuyllGamingHounds you just didn't get what i said right..

  • Beautiful Aircraft!! One of my favorite Japanese warbirds. It's nice to see and hear it fly, but being the only surviving original powered Zero I would hesitate to continue flying it as it would be a shame to lose it to an accident. I'm sure they take every possible precaution but this thing is priceless.

  • sound like a Toyota Tacoma Diesel??

  • I was also told by a Japanese warbird fan, that obtaining certification for old aircraft like this one, is very difficult in Japan. So even if there were air-worthy examples around, they probably wouldn't be flying in Japan : ( Luckily the US let's these beautiful birds fly again.

    I actually live not too far from where these planes were originally built. I used to work on the factory grounds.

  • I flew on a restored B-17. Love these WWII aircraft. This is a fantastic video. Thanks for posting.

    My understanding is that this is one of the only, if not the only, Zero with an original engine from the day. Wow.

  • Wow, beautiful sounding engine!

  • Awesome. Love the Chino Planes of Fame Museum! Keep em flying guys!

  • @dregerclock NOT CHINO.

    This is JAPANESE....NOT THE SAME

  • @CharlieDoan - Umm... check the description on this video... this is (yes) an original resortored Zero.. and it IS at Chino California Planes of Fame museum. I have been there and seen it in person and the hangers and airfield ins the video is Chino, CA.

  • U Know, I thought all the original Zeros are not flyable anymore. this is amazing.

  • @Archerazor There are no flyable originals here in Japan. I've seen a real one that was recovered from the Pacific, but it wasn't air worthy.

    There's a rumor that Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has one at their factory, however I've been told it's a replica. Either way, it's not open to the public : /

  • @320k is that so? thanks for the info. I only knew that Michael Bay used AT-6 as Zeros in the new Pearl Habour movie

  • @320k ... That's my understanding, that Mitsubishi, for obvious reasons, cannot trumpet to the public "Look at these planes we made in WWII."

    Same as in Germany, there's many manufacturers still around, who made weapons for Nazi Germany. Tourists to those factories are not shown the WWII weapons showroom, mainly because they don't exist (German law forbids such things.)

  • sounds wicked cool

  • wow!

  • Please don't fly this plane for too long and crash it like alot of WW2 planes. Put it in a museum after that.

  • i love the sound of WWII planes.

  • I love the sound of that engine!!!! sweet!

  • octane130, How much do you rule for posting this. Just awesome!

  • That is a fearsome-sounding plane. I am going ot an air show tomorrow at Maxwell AFB in Montgomery, AL and they are advertising zeros, but they must be zero frames with American engines.

  • So, how do they get replacement parts for the Sakae? They must have to custom-machine them from the original blue-prints, unless there's still spare parts around? I always wondered how that works when they restore old ariframes...do they have to replace all the aluminum spars and stuff? Makes me wonder how much of these old warbird really ARE old planes, and how much of them is new stuff with a few old parts screwed onto them! LOL, I love this plane though. I wish I could see it in person. =/

  • @justforever96

    Very good questions. For most rare engines, missing parts have to be re-made to original standards at great expense. Engine parts are a major problem for all warbirds now. For airframes that will be airworthy, much original material is often removed to meet standards. So, yes much of the original plane is lost unless it's kept on the ground. Some airframes are nearly all-new with an original serial number stamp--often called a "data-plate restoration."

  • @FiveCentsPlease -Yeah, I figured that was how it was. It reminds me of the proverbial old lumberjack telling his grandson about his axe..."boy, I've used this same axe for fifty years now...only replaced the head twice and the handle three times"! LOL, same idea. Now, do you know anything about the starters? Original WWII fighters used Coffman starters, but all the survivors seem to use electric starters. Why is that? Is there a FAA reg against shotgun starters, or is it just for convenience?