Stem Cell Research

[MD24349638]

Religion helps in NO Physical way, it's so fucking selfish and ignorant to stop stem cell resarch because of FUCKING RELIGION, FUCK IT ALL WHO GIVES A FUCK IF IT'S "ETHNICLY WRONG" ALL THESE PEOPLE PRAYING FOR AIDS TO GO AWAY AND CANCER TO GO, WHAT A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME PRAYING IT'S GOING NO WHERE, SO AT LEAST ALLOW BANDS TO BE LIFTED FROM EVERY COUNTRY SO IT CAN BE CURED PROPERLY.

[ThePlayking57]

everyone, oran6es goes on every stem cell site he/she can find and posts this crap. they are just obscuring scientific truth, and messing up MY project! i need new people reactions, not the same persons over and over again!

[DNTrun]

there are 2 types of stem cell research

ebryonic

and

adult/ mature stem cells

[djrobin305]

this is like cloning , there is nothing new, man always wants to compete with God. There many misteries and things hidden from man and the only ONE who knows them is the CREATOR heavens, earth, mankind, etc. because He was the one who invented them.

[davidls11]

@djrobin305 Some people also believe that blood transfusions are akin to man "playing god". Or to put it another way...some people are stupid. The study of stem cells is probably the number one most promising area of medical research. Hindering it based on religious mumbo jumbo is just plain wrong.

[entheos22]

There is NO REASON to utilize embryos in any kind of research to enhance our health! We have an Adult Stem Cell System in place at birth within the bone marrow that has the capacity to release stem cells throughout our lives for renewal! With that discovery, the research lies with the cells within each of our bodys and WE WILL AND ARE developing amazing therapies that will change the way we approach healing... Heavenly Father CREATED US and THAT SYSTEM to be well. We need to SUPPORT IT!

[Genierules]

YES! ;D

[pixiezone]

to the flamingathiest and his followers:

if you had been decomposed at few cell stage of development, you wouldn't

be writing anything now...

[monkeytwineball]

I wouldn't give a shit about it either, would I?

Nor will I in 100 years.

God isn't going to punish you for dismembering cells. It's not immoral it's amoral, there is no empathy for brainless organisms.

[pixiezone]

And this from 2009 should end the debate about disassembling human children for production of stem cells: this article describes methods of acquisition of stem cells from human skin -they are your body cells clones. Cell Stem Cell. 2009 Jun 5;4(6):472-6. Epub 2009 May 28.Generation of human induced pluripotent stem cells by direct delivery of reprogramming proteins.Kim D, Kim CH, Moon JI, Chung YG, Chang MY, Han BS, Ko S, Yang E, Cha KY, Lanza R, Kim KS. Harvard Medical School

[pixiezone]

So there we are not dealing with "potential" of an embryo to develop into human, because this suggest statistical interpretation, as if it could develop different species, but with 1/0 confidence that this is meant to give a new human. And indeed at that stage the one cell is really equal to all human organism, even if it seems amazing.

[pixiezone]

Science in simple words is about how things works. In this case how human body works. Results of newest research allow us to obtain stem cells from our own body, without the need for destruction of someone else's organism.

That should be extremely clear: human cell with complete genome that entered the state

of embryogenesis WILL produce entire body.

That characteristic differs that cell from all other cells of our bodies that also have complete copy of genome.

[pixiezone]

To all interested in scientific view of the matter:

DO NOT use word "science" for description of procedure that have nothing in common with it.

It is not even pseudomedicine, as medicine should not be in conflict with Hipocrates legacy. Here (disassembling human body) we are dealing with anti-medicine.

[pixiezone]

Moreover, even the "matrix" procedure is not proper description of this, because in "matrix"

food was produced from cadavers, and here we have to deal with disassembling whole living human body in development!

[pixiezone]

There are many other methods of tissue regeneration including damaged neural cells, but this demand research and funding instead of spending money on stupid tasks. ...And most of all it does not requires harvest of humans for production from their bodies material for replacement for the others..

The method (using embryonic stem cells) presented here resembles making food from human tissues like in "matrix"!

[pixiezone]

"The theory is that because these stem cells are fetal cells, they are designed to proliferate and give rise to new tissue , which means they have the potential to produce tumors. The case, write the authors of this weeks case study, should serve as a warning that more research is needed to gauge the safety of these novel therapies."

(that was citation from mentioned article)

[pixiezone]

scientificamerican

/blog/60-second-science/post.c fm?id=embryonic-stem-cells-cau­ se-cancer-i-2009-02-19

[pixiezone]

This video was posted in 2007, and according to

new research it is now evident that embryonic stem cells can cause cancer. See this reference from 2009:

[oran6es]

I would also invite anyone interested to see what these tumors look like, please google "pictures of a teratoma".

[pixiezone]

The most religiously engaged person is You alone

[pixiezone]

@flamingathiest

What do you trying to achieve?

[boofdogjr18]

thats fake

[ScienceAlice]

BRILLIANT!

[741852963357]

i like tacos =D

[oran6es]

By your brilliant atheist reasoning, a 400 lb pile of crap and maggots is twice as important as the maker of this video because it has more cells. Oh, wait. That may be correct.

[flamingathiest]

You, sir, are brilliant.

Because of this comment, I have decided to reform my sinful ways and open my eyes to the true word of the lord.

thank you for saving my soul,

[oran6es]

I really don't care if you have or do not have religion. It's not about religion. It's about the right and wrong way to practice medicine and perform medical research. Just respect a human at any stage of development. Google "photos of a teratoma" and see what embryonic cell transfer does to people. Nice tumors containing teeth hair and other body parts in disarray. Peace and reason.

[flamingathiest]

well surely one as brilliant as you could find something better to do than debate on a comment section of a youtube video.

[oran6es]

You're probably right. I'll explore other avenues. Thanks.

[skydome29]

@oran6es These embryos are usually furnished by clinics that perform in vitro fertility treatments; for one reason or another, they've been rejected for implantation into a womb.

[oran6es]

@skydome29 A "spare" human embryo is no less human than a non-spare.

[shawndimery]

the Flamingcunt

[scherieb1]

@flamingathiest HAHAHAHAHAHAHA awesome

[EhancedTrance]

@flamingathiest LMAO GET OWNED

lol that comment just totally turned your video into useless crap! LOL

[NIELSCHOT21]

@oran6es Embryonic Stem Cells are mostly fertilized invitro eggs that will never be used and would just go to waste, why not put them to a good use? My Dad ha M.S. and this could potentially treat his disease. Maybe not in his lifetime, but I would love the day when it could be treated effectively. The Cells feel no pain, have no emotion or thoughts, and will most likely never do much more than sit in a peatree dish. Stop millions from suffering? i think its worth it.

[oran6es]

@NIELSCHOT21 We all want cures. The spare human embryo is no less human than the non spare. All cures to date and all future cures can and will be accomplished without forcibly growing humans parts in petrie dishes. There is no need to convert developing humans into marketable commodities.

[AtTheWorldsEnd2012]

In life such things like this is trivial. The potential of life is destroyed everyday no matter human or not. People that are interested in human life being harmed only, think of what thats done to the world. Over zealous actions for human life is such a waste. rather artificial life or authentic, life is created for the purpose to exist. The terms it lives under doesn't change it living, only its purpose. Thank you for the video.

[Tyblerone]

If you are going to attempt an intelligent response, plase use proper grammar...

[oran6es]

Chapter 2, page 1 of embryology text(embryology is taught at all medical schools) "Human development begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an ovum to form a zygote. This cell marks the beginnings of each of us as a unique individual." Facts are facts. Your faulty atheistic reasoning goes down in flames.

[oran6es]

Yep, it's the first word in human embryo. The first word is human. To say it's not human is to lie to yourself. By defining a blastocyst as less human than you because of its size is a losing argument. By that faulty logic, a newborn infant is only one tenth the human that you are.

[samuelrj]

well they're certainly less than 1/10 as useful

[oran6es]

but no less human

[Atheistjeremy]

When you scratch your nose, are you committing a holocaust?

A 4-day embryo consists of about 150 cells. The brain of a fly contains about 100,000. An embryo is not a baby or a human being. Not even close.

[oran6es]

Nope, when you scratch your nose, you scratch off dead, non-nucleated cells. It's good that they're removed. Preserving embryos results in humans. Preserving flies results in maggots.

Sorry, we don't change species during development. 150 cells rapidly becomes 1000, 100,000, 1,000,000 cells and so forth.

[UnitedMartialArtsKY]

"Nope, when you scratch your nose, you scratch off dead, non-nucleated cells." What difference does it make? Do you argue that destroying embryos is wrong because they are HUMAN cells? Are you saying that only embryonic cells are human? Futhermore, when you scratch your nose, it's not just dead cells that you shed.

A "potential life" is not a life. "Potential" people have no voice and no rights. A cluster of 150 cells is not even conscious. Consciousness is what sets humans apart.

[oran6es]

The nose thing- to refute the goofy holocaust thing. Unless you take a chunk of skin, bleed when you scratch your nose, then there is NO WAY you can make humans from these cells, and it would take CLONING to make them anyway. What kind of argument is that?

Living individual human existence begins as an embryo. They are alive. The conscious thing, come on, are you not a human if you're asleep or in a coma ?

[oran6es]

Sorry, the life cycle of a individual human is like any other mammal. Zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn, adolescent, adult. It's not a POTENTIAL human. It already IS ONE. Get a clue. Are you not human when you're asleep or in a coma. Were you some other species the day before you are born?

[AtTheWorldsEnd2012]

Zygots and embryos are only of a cellular mass they are capable of becoming an oranism but lack the components to be one. The Zygot is lacking the sperm cell to become an embryo, the embryo is the beganing stage of the creation of a fetus which means that the embryo is only a formation of cells trying to generate a structure. Your morals do not apply here, vitalism is an incorrect thoery thats been proven wrong. welcome to the real world of existance.

[oran6es]

Incorrect. Zygote has already been fertilized. Embryo, our word for the beginning stage of a human individual. Less cells but no less human than you or I. Morals? No. Biological fact. Welcome to the world of human embryology, welcome to the truth.

[monkeytwineball]

Welcome to a world of diluted bullshit philosophy.

Do you know why it's okay to rip a plants leafs off but not okay to tear a leg off of a dog?

The dog has a brain.

[oran6es]

@monkeytwineball the "stem cell line" has an infant brain at 9 months, alive in several dishes, it has been developed separately, unnaturally, forcefully from the remainder of the living infant parts.

You've made a human a commodity.

Merry Christmas

[monkeytwineball]

That's incorrect, they do not grow babies. They're harvested from 12 day old embryos.

They grow tissues. The idea is , say I want cardiovascular tissue, put the stem cells near cardiovascular tissue, they replicate it.

We don't have any spare parts laying around, this solves a very fundamental problem. It's got nothing to do with growing braindead twins in tubes and looting them for organs.

[oran6es]

@monkeytwineball incorrect, if you put stem cells near damaged tissue, the stem cells grow into horrific tumors with hair/teeth (teratomas). To prevent this, you'd need to grow cells into fully developed mature tissue before implantation. They're infant cells after 9 months. Embryology text -read it.

[monkeytwineball]

Absurd myth, what you're referencing is the DNA problem, the preposed fix is to predetermine the DNA of the cell to match the tissue. This would be done prior to the cell first dividing into the blasteois we'd use. Growing the cell into a human was never put on the table.

[Adamjckay]

@oran6es so you just confirmed to everyone here that you have no idea what the hell youre talking about. you know that right? haha

[truvelocity]

@oran6es Do you want to know what ticks me off about your comment?  I personally know people that live outside of the United States who have had serious parkinsons disease and have undergone embryonic stem cell, where the rest of the world has been doing it all along, while we in America, can't get that treatment, because ass holes like you want us to die over what you "think" are good intentions from the loony far religious right.

[truvelocity]

@oran6es And another thing... Those people who had the embryonic stem cells? They are doing great!

[oran6es]

@truvelocity Name one/ let's see a reliable reference.

[oran6es]

The real modern day HOLOCAUST is that which you propose, the planned creation and destruction of thousands and of millions of humans in their earliest form.

[samuelrj]

Which makes blowjobs cannibalism and masturbation mass genocide. After all, sperm is a human in it's earliest form.

[oran6es]

Wrong again, pay attention in class. Sperms are NOT human beings yet. Embryos are.

[samuelrj]

so only when a zygote is created by a sperm and an egg is a human being formed?

[sonicjet700]

embryo is not a human it doesnt even have a brain

[UnitedMartialArtsKY]

Embryos are not human beings. They're not even conscious. A "potential life" (which I assuse is the absurd argument you'll make) is not a life and therefore doesn't overide the lives of people.

[markjohn316]

My definition of a human is a simple one: a living organism of the species homo sapiens.

[markjohn316]

Why kill an ant, but not a human blastocyst? Because an ant is an ant, and will never be more than an ant. A human blastocyst is a human being with the potential to grow into a human adult -- like you, flamingathiest.

[11mc22]

"A human blastocyst is a human being with the potential to grow into a human adult"

-

every cell in your body actually has the potential to be a human with genetic technology

when you scratch your nose you kill thousands of potential humans.

plus when a woman has her period what happens?

potential humans die anyways

[markjohn316]

I did not say that the human blastocyst has the potential to be a human. I said that it IS a human, with the potential to grow into an ADULT HUMAN. You are right that with technology, any cell might be manipulated so that a human being might come to be through it - that's cloning. But cloning merely simulates/replaces the natural event of fertilization.

[markjohn316]

In the case of a blastocyst, fertilization has already occurred - he or she IS A HUMAN. All he or she needs to do is "grow up." But a mere human cell, even a sperm cell or an egg cell, is not a human being - It cannot "grow up" into an infant or an adult.

[markjohn316]

When a woman has her period, it is an egg cell and blood that passes out. Not a human being.

And so my argument is not about potential human beings. It is about human beings in their earliest stages of development. Tiny human beings who only have to grow up.

[11mc22]

i wouldn't call a blastocyst that is made up of only 70-100 cells human

markjohn

what is your definition of a human?

[11mc22]

"with the potential to grow into an ADULT HUMAN"

-

well

thats not true

the blastocysts that researchers use are from fertility clinics that have too much of these so they have to either throw them away in the trash or use them for research.

choose

[markjohn316]

The human blastocysts that researchers use DO have the potential to grow into adult humans. It's built in their biology. They just need a womb in which to grow.

So what does the fact that they live in fertility clinics have to do with whether they have potential to grow into an adult or not?

[markjohn316]

A human blastocyst is a living organism of the species homo sapiens in one of its earliest stages of development. You and I are living organisms of the species homo sapiens in much later stages of development. It doesn't matter whether we are put in a state cryogenic freeze or not, like the embryos from fertility clinics. We are still human beings.

[markjohn316]

"i wouldn't call a blastocyst that is made up of only 70-100 cells human"

What, then, is your definition of a human? If 70-100 cells is not enough, how many cells does a member of the human species need before we can call it a human being?

[11mc22]

"What, then, is your definition of a human? If 70-100 cells is not enough, how many cells does a member of the human species need before we can call it a human being?"

until they have a nervous system

[markjohn316]

"Until they have a nervous system", you say.

Now we are getting somewhere! The nervous system!

Now that you've told me what makes a human being a human being (the nervous system), now tell me why drawing the line there is not merely arbitrary.

Why does having a nervous system make a human a human?

[11mc22]

"Why does having a nervous system make a human a human?"

because you wouldn't be here without it

a body that has no brain is not a human

[11mc22]

"They just need a womb in which to grow."

to bad there is so little demand for these embryos that they are thrown away anyways

IVF clinics dont keep these forever. either dump them or research them

[markjohn316]

"they are thrown away anyways"

C'mon ... that's not much of an argument, is it?

Could "they are going to die anyway" ever be an argument for taking a human life???

[11mc22]

"ever be an argument for taking a human life???"

sure

here are the 2 choices if there are no women willing to use vitro fertilization

1. throw them away

2. research

3. sometimes they will keep them but thats not likely since they have shitloads of embryos

[markjohn316]

""ever be an argument for taking a human life???"

sure

here are the 2 choices if there are no women willing to use vitro fertilization ..."

I thought that you said that the embryo was not a human life!

[11mc22]

"I thought that you said that the embryo was not a human life!"

you didnt get my point

[markjohn316]

The right answer for you to give, if you think that a living human organism needs a nervous system to be considered a human, is that "they are going to die anyway" is not an argument that can be used for the taking of a human life - but that embryos are not human because they don't have nervous systems.

[11mc22]

so a body or a clump of cells that has no brain is a human?

[markjohn316]

An adult body without a brain would be dead, so it's not an alive human. But an embryo is a alive human in a stage of development that precedes having a brain. An embryo is not supposed to have a brain. He or she is supposed to grow one as he or she gets older.

[11mc22]

"He or she is supposed to grow one as he or she gets older."

then it is not a human until then

[markjohn316]

"because you wouldn't be here without (the nervous system)"

What do you mean by that? What is it about the nervous system that makes me, "me"? Is it consciousness? Is it the ability to feel pain? What is it?

[11mc22]

"What is it?"

you can answer your own question

but sure

in general, consciousness

[11mc22]

ill get back to you

i have to go

[11mc22]

"that "they are going to die anyway" is not an argument that can be used for the taking of a human life"

thats if it is human life in the first place.

no brain not human

[lmbfreespirit]

GROW-UP!

[samuelrj]

i didnt try to make it offensive. it just looked really planned and scripted.

Im sorry and its horrible that you have to go through this.

[Jeremyguru]

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

You're committing a holocaust everytime you scratch your nose, lol.

[lmbfreespirit]

I NEED these miniscule cells! I was head injured 9~NINE~ years ago by a drunk driver!

Took me 6 years to walk again, BUT I still need my chair for eating!  OTHERWISE, my tremors cause me to choke!~HOW DO YA LIKE 'DEM APPLES bush????????????

[samuelrj]

best spam comment yet

[idricool]

An ant is not the same thing as a human. Will you shoot someone innocent ? Common sense : No but some people do.

[dave98503]

Laura Bush said

she doesn't think

stem cell research

would work. You a-hole

scientists should stop

wasting time and try to figure

out a way to ending the war in

iraq first.

[rebecoutsa]

research shows a much much higher success rate in adult stem cell research than in embryonic stem cell research. however a key point is that these embryos usually come from failed IVF treatment and would have been thrown in the rubbish anyway so shouldn't we use them for a good cause?...its a tricky subject...

[kazel11]

Well my opinion on the whole matter is that you ought to stop killing grown humans - the ones that without of a shadow of doubt can think and aknowledge their existence. Untill you or your govt stops that you should keep your fucking mouth shut about killing the unborn. btw stem cells are derived from aborted fetuses that otherwise will be thrown out to rot why not give those cells a chance to live.

[rkoucantcme]

I know its a retorical question

But because humans experience living they can feel for each other

They havent experienced life as an ant- so most simply dont care. Like americans view on the war, they not educated becuase its not THEM personaly. Besides killing a human can be easily, more, avoided then a tiny animal.

[sintofg]

but it's primarly the order of the bases A,C,T,G that determines what we are to look like and do and after being translated to shape what we look like.

[sintofg]

well it compares to how when can treat creatures less than us different but not allow it to happen to us. plus I don't think stem cell research is a bad thing, but society always takes the stance of NO and patronize as being that stem cell research is horrific, but another thing we're all mutants so it's ok to say we're different but our genetic code w/all life is universal it's just the arrangment that differs which then is turned into proteins to form a phenotyp(ex.eye color,skin,and hair).

[sintofg]

Simple it's saying how life is fragile when you compare,and how we can kill a fly or an ant with no judgmental thought to it but yet we're not able to allow a cell that has multiple chances of developing into many type of cells to help,don't even get started wit the"well we're different stuff,that's just bs becuase it's the structures of proteins that make us not look like jelly fish,cause DNA is universal,every living thing has A,T,C,G bases it just depends on where and how they are placed.

[fairys07]

I don't know how you can possibly compare a human life to an ant.

[TheDamnedKing]

well first of all why not whe all are animals and think an 5 year old embyro has no brain and cant feel anything why not use that to help cure like billions of disease's so killing an ant is killing alot of humans as you could see in this video

[fairys07]

That is probably the most unintelligable response I have ever recieved. I am actually not even really sure what you meant.

[TheDamnedKing]

jeeejs =D

[rkoucantcme]

You both are "unintelligable" You have no clue weather a baby at that age feels anything, at all. Do you remember? No its been fed to you my other people, who also have no clue. Plus the whole problem dealing with wasting a human life and what they COULD be in the future is also an issue. Are you saying we should kill all embroyos to eventually help science? What is the point of killing to eventually save lifes..?

[fairys07]

It has nothing to do with feeling pain, it has to do with taking a human life before it has a chance to live. If a baby who has already been born can't remember feeling pain, than what is the difference between that baby and the stem cells. Does that mean it's ok to kill babies. Cuz that's kind of what I'm getting from you. Plus you are totally contradicting yourself. I guess I probably shouldn't waste my breath, because you seem like a sixth grader.

[kazel11]

Sir, you are a retard, the point is the advancement of knowledge. You hypocrite, the truth is that you dont know shit from stem cells and here you are preaching of what could be. Obtaining cells does not result in death of a fetus, the useless britney wanna be getting an abortion does, this not to say abortions are bad. But even recycling medical waste is a thing of the past. Stem cells can be obtained through reprogramming of adult cells. Still creationist waste of life whine to no end.

[rkoucantcme]

Can you watch the video about 90 more times and when you finally understand it come back and comment?