Alexander Hamilton behaving like a pimp? How many pimps actually engage in traditional duels? How many are willing to die for the sake of honor or their "women's" honor? How many pimps are potential heads of state, intellectuals, and revered historical figures?
@roomie4rent - I think you may be posing the question in reverse. View it this way: How many heads of state are pimps??? Ahhh, see what I did there? Answer: ALL of them.
@ebruceii Really? ALL of them? Sure, maybe pedophiles like Berlusconi and violent despots, but I doubt Obama, Angela Merkel, Sarkozy, et al would fit the ideal pimp portrayal as outlined by rappers.
Your argument is flawed and nonsensical. Stop trying to rationalize behavior that is irresponsible, irredeemable, and immoral.
@roomie4rent - You clearly have no idea what a pimp really is, in that case. Pimps do whatever the hell they want and use, manipulate and subjugate people for their own purposes. Name for me one single head of state that DOESN'T engage in such policy. Go ahead, I'll wait... Secondly, who gives a shit what some rappers idea of a "pimp" is? Doesn't mean shit in this context. Have a nice day, skippy. "I love ppl who try to tell others to "stop" doing *anything* on youtube. lmfao. Sad.
@ebruceii What you describe is criminal and in a well-regulated and transparent society, like the US and UK, heads of state are held to account for everything they say and do. So to answer your question, no HoS in a free, wealthy, democratic society behaves like a "pimp." And, FYI, I'm not commanding you to do anything - only suggesting you desist making a fool of yourself by justifying criminal behavior. Unfortunately you clearly aren't intellectually capable of making that distinction, skippy.
@roomie4rent - Umm, not sure exactly what "well-regulated and transparent society" you are living in, but you sound completely delusion with your denial of centuries of behind-closed-doors govt corruption at the highest levels in nations all over the globe, or maybe you have simply forgotten history. My fellow PSU alums who were Poli-Sci M.B.A.s would get a huge laugh out of this conversation. Lastly, baseless questioning of another man's intellect is a tactic of the feeble-minded.
@ebruceii You watch a lot of movies, don't you? This isn't 16th century Florence. Ever heard of the GAO, the POGO, GAP, and other independent, oversight NGO's? Let's not forget the every prying watch of the very resourceful media. No high ranking politician escapes scrutiny. Bill Clinton couldn't even get a damn BJ without sparking a national uproar. I'm rather confident actual "pimps" don't have those sort of troubles.
@roomie4rent - Wrong again, genius. Just continue to live in your own delusional little bubble like the sheep that you are and you will REMAIN none the wiser. I struggle to even get you to learn what the definition of a pimp really is. Kind of hard to see it when you're the proverbial whore and don't even realize it I guess. Too funny. :)))) You actually think we live in a Democratic society??? The joke lies heavily upon you. My expert friends thank you for the laugh, by the way! :)))) Classic.
@ebruceii You say I'm wrong without any proof. I say you're wrong with manifest proof. You defend criminality. I defend integrity. You believe America is a furtive oligarchy without evidence. I believe America is democratic with abundant evidence. You use small words. I use bigger words. You're clearly an idiot, I'm not.
Nothing is more pathetic than a stupid person who thinks they are intelligent. And in case the meaning of that adage escapes you, it was referring to you. :))))))))))
All of the conscious rappers, the knowledgeable rappers & rappers with depth don't get radio play, their music doesn't sell, they don't become mainstream...they're either underground or not respected or acknowledged. It's the bullshit that sells. These rappers need to make money and WANT success so what do they do? They write the shit that sells! Don't blame rap music for that!
Folks dont be fooled by Dyson, he doesnt speak for blacks or the whole of Americans. Hip Hop is well diversed, the music industry distribution is not. That should sum up the Hip hop genre debate. Dyson does not speak for hip hop. He tries to play both sides of the fence. He talks more trash than most white tv hosts about hip hop and its artists then gets in front of white crowds like he is so down with the streets. He self serves, not serves us. All hip hop is not the same and neither are blacks
@bamjungle ....What on earth are you going on about?? Did you not hear him in this video or did you just click a video with Dyson's name in the title to rant about him in the comments box without even watching the damn video first?! He stated how DIVERSE HipHop is and how "the music industry distribution is not"!! That's basically what the damn man said so who are YOU fooling?? I think you are a hater and I think you are threatened by him. I think you wish you was him.
@treestar Okay, did you not read my statement? Did you not hear some of the comments he made before he got heated with the white dude next to him? I saw the forum that he referenced in the video, he was in front of a black audience talking more crap than Mahr ever did on that show. He got in front of Mahr's white audience fired up because a white man couldnt appreciate the genre. Two sides of the fence. Cant talk smack to your people then get on a white man's show trying to prove how down u are.
@treestar I made my comments based on seeing the forum he spoke of, then seeing this video in its entirety. He has many contradictory remarks about hip hop and other topics. So I pointed out that saying one thing to one group and another to someone else is trying to fool the people. You cant come against the culture, then use the culture for cred. It doesnt work. Its fake not real. I dont hate him, I think he serves himself in these conversations. Threatened..no, are you? You may wish u were him
@Vote3rdParty Thanks for proving my point. Like all liberals, anybody who doesn't subscribe to your delusional, naive, ignorant fantasies is an "inbred redneck." Lol. Fucking tool.
@PumpingSmashkins - No, I just look at the data. Look up what "data" is. Those will higher IQ's are more inclined to be progressive. Hope I didn't ruin your day, inbred.
@Vote3rdParty Oh my God, why do you insist on publicly embarrassing yourself over and over? First of all, "data" is plural, you pathetically ignorant retard. So YOU obviously don't know what data are, but don't let your obvious ignorance get in the way of your predictable "confidence" in your "enlightenment." Second of all, I've been in I.T. for 15 years, starting as a Data Analyst, and currently a DBA, so I know a lot more about data than you, but that's meaningless since you know zip.
@Vote3rdParty Oh, and that's the second time in as many posts that you've trotted out the already unoriginal "inbred redneck" comment, which is interesting since you're the one whose shown every sign of being inbred. It's also a patently racist remark, but racism is fine as long as it's against whites. But you're probably one of those intellectual giants who insist that blacks can't be racist. & what "data" are you even referring to? Some context, moron! Not that you're capable of interpreting
@PumpingSmashkins - Progressives are not inbred, because we have higher IQ's. And there are plenty of white progressives. All the states with higher average IQ's vote democrat. But all we have to really look at is the the polling data taking from the inbred Republican electorate. 1/3 of Republicans didn't believe Obama was born in the U.S. simply because he is a darker shade then them! Rednecks!! Another poll shows only 8% of inbred Republicans believe in evolution! Inbred!!
Being a member of a group that has a higher average IQ does not mean that every member of said group has a high IQ, as you so perfectly demonstrate. Your puny little brainwashed "mind" assumes I'm a Republican because I don't subscribe to your pathetic, ignorant, spoon-fed fantasies masquerading as "enloightenment." Why does that not surprise me? Because there are billions just like you, all clinging desperately to some association with "intelligence" despite having 0 capacity for thought.
@PumpingSmashkins - And just because you belong to a group of inbreds, doesn't mean you amongst the only semi-retarded segment of the right-wing. You can still be part of the ultra-retarded segment, as you well demonstrate. You don't subscribe to the GOP? What are you a pseudo-"Libertarian"? Progressives (anarchists) founded libertarianism, you right-wingers founded the Third Reich.
@Vote3rdParty As fun as it's been watching you impossibly out-stupid yourself which each successive post, it's become glaringly obvious that you're too retarded to even recognize that you're doing so, so I'll be moving on in favor of somebody whose IQ is not 62, thanks. But you go right on believing that your prefabricated, patently absurd, "progressive" platitudes make you an intellectual. Hold onto that; it's clearly all you have, inbred.
@PumpingSmashkins - Exactly what I predicted. You have you rebuttal. The capacity to use reason and logic is what makes someone an intellectual, not the use of large words which you re trying to demonstrate. Any inbred can look up large words in the dictionary, but it makes you look pathetically desperate. You have a lot of blabber, but no substance. I'll just end on that note, since you have no rebuttal to my previous post. You clearly were never interested in a constructive conservation.
@PumpingSmashkins - Exactly what I predicted. You have you rebuttal. The capacity to use reason and logic is what makes someone an intellectual, not the use of large words which you re trying to demonstrate. Any inbred can look up large words in the dictionary, but it makes you look pathetically desperate. You have a lot of blabber, but no substance. I'll just end on that note, since you have no rebuttal to my previous post. You clearly were never interested in a constructive conservation.
@Vote3rdParty So you're illiterate as well. Not surprising, but it's kind of strange you would so freely admit it (not that you're really aware that you're doing so). No, Corky, I didn't need to reference a dictionary to compose any of my posts. The fact that your obviously sub-eighth grade level English skills left you struggling with some of the very common and simple language I used says a lot. That you took them as some indication of me being pretentious is simply priceless. Bye forever.
@Vote3rdParty The average IQ of atheists is higher than that of religious people, yet there are plenty of retarded atheists right here on YouTube.The same with "progressives," as your profound retardation so readily demonstrates. And the average IQ of "African Americans" is 85; a full standard deviation lower than that of whites, but that doesn't mean there are no highly intelligent blacks. But this "statistics for special-needs second graders" tutorial is beyond your comprehension, inbred.
@PumpingSmashkins - Progressives support the scientific method/facts/statistics, your ilk support creationism and deny evolution. You're not going to convince anyone when right-wingers have such a bad record on matters of at least minimal intelligence.
How dear that Ass hole compare Alexander Hamilton and others to modern day rap artist. Man, what an idiot! Listen to rap artist speak! They sound very uneducated and stupid! My goodness!
What's he talking about? Hamilton never intended to kill Burr, Hamilton despised dueling but in order to keep his honor he had to attend, but being in line with his anti-duel principals he refused to shoot at Burr, so Burr shot him and he died. He wasn't a thug trying to blast Burr.
@TXIHedgehog37 Exactly, Dyson has been trying to fool people for years. Trust me, he does not speak for all blacks and he does not speak for all Americans. He goes for the cheap applause yet he brings little fact or substance.
@TXIHedgehog37 you are not understanding his point. He's not saying that Hamilton is a THUG..he used that as an example to show that rap music can be deeper than what is typical thugism. Some of it is telling a story, a message. He's also proving that stories of violence (no matter the damn reason) has always been told whether through literature, movies, or rap music or music period!! To bash rap music as pure arrogant violent mess just shows a person's ignorance of the art form
@kingmu1 you're right I'm not black I'm asian (indian and japanese mix) but I am certainly NOT a racist and I AM right on what I said maybe you couldn't face the truth because you fit that description yourself?
Bill Maher is a pseudo intellectual thinking he is smarter than the mass. But if you listen to this fool talk, it is mostly reiteration of NYT editorials and AIPAC propaganda. Quite racist as well.
Both of them are right, there are many great non-violent positive rappers in America and worldwide but there are also a slew of negative mainstream and dirty underground rappers that get more play, more recognition and have more influence. For every up and coming Common there are 100 wannabe Lil Wanyes right behind him/her.
The only reason you have slum ghettos filled with dirty gangsters who are proud of being dirty gangsters living in a slummy ghettos is because of rap music
@Hotrod7031 That couln't be any wronger. Black people are in this situation for a variety of reasons. One is post traumatic slavery disorder, white supremacy, capitalism, miseducation, lack of education, fractured families, and the list goes on. This as well as the creative abilities of blacks help to create gangsta rap. I don't think you are black......if you aren't you sir might just be racist.
Most of America hasn't heard any where near 90% of rap. That shit you hear on the radio or in the clubs doesn't compare to the stuff they don't dare air. The stuff that's underground. The mix-tapes that kids pass around. The difference between mainstream rappers and the founding fathers is that mainstream rappers are largely a bunch of posers and our founding fathers made good in their gangster roles
There may be some "positive" hip hop that exists, but mainstream hip-hop and rap is exactly as Bill says it is - violent, homophobic, misogynist, with glorification of money, sex, and power. Ghetto thugs talking about hitting that booty is not a "complex convergence of competing truths" nor is it "resistance against white supremacy." It doesn't matter if Mos Def is rapping about social injustice if nobody listens to him.
@gombis666 gimme a break white people. whites always complain about the THINGS COLOURED PEOPLE ON EARTH DO, but WHEN WHITES KILL AND SLAUGHTER and annihilate the COLOURED HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH , you whites dont give a fuck!
WHITE PEOPLE LACK EMPATHY FOR COLOURED PEOPLE
WHITEPEOPLE LACK EMPATHY FOR BROWN PEOPLE
WHITE PEOPLE LACK EMPATHY FOR NON WHITES!
you never change and i dont expect you to change... white people.
Hey, I love black people, I'm white and looking at our history and the state of the world I can understand why you would think that. However, there are white empaths out there, you just don't see them on mainstream TV. White peopl lackempathy for white people too, you left that one out, but then again you canot generalise, there ar gd white people out there, look at some of the people that nspired Tupac like Henry Miller, he was a very empathetical white man, look him up.
Dyson didn't seem to be "schooling" during his initial comment, he just talked about how great and diverse hip hop was and how even the more "enlightened" rappers may indulge in sex and violence rhymes. Bill just made a statement about how he personally feels about rawnchy lyrics being around kids, he wasn't denying hip hop as a whole. My folks didn't let me own certain albums, both rock and hip hop, until I was out from under their roof.
If Maher had ever studied Alexander Hamilton, he'd know that Hamilton by most accounts had a HUGE ego, especially as a young and upcoming politician. It may have actually cost him his life.
Dr. Dyson here actually is insulting the "so-called positive rappers" by deffending the mainstream nonsense rap linking it to USA's founding fathers. I'm not the biggest fan of the USA - or of their FFs - but I have enough respect to this people and these people ;-) to find this mingling of the mainstream with the "positive" and the FFs repulsive!
Dr. D. could've simply said: Yes, there's a lot to be worked on about these issues! - and no one would've considered this a weakness.
Just when I thought Dyson couldn't be any more willfully ignorant and stupid, he actually has the audacity to try to compare rappers to our founding fathers @ 1:45 !!! Even he can't be stupid enough to think that such a comparison is dignified.
Benjamin Franklin alone has contributed more to our country than all of today's rappers put together by far.
hey, a good way for a black to win an argument certainly is to confuse the situation with ebonics and the race card. I've been thinking about painting myself black, it would be nice to play the victim and get handouts.
@RocJr357 - Who's getting the handouts? Let's see...GE, GM, Halliburton, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, AIG, Merrill Lynch, Citigroup and UBS to name a few.
@canisdormit - tisk, tisk. You obviously don't do your homework nor are you able to keep up with what the professor is saying. He is talking about bravado and how it was seen in founding fathers and rappers. Rap does make a lot of $ using ebonics-sad but true. I'm completing my thesis on gov't asst. programs and it is a fact that the majority receiving it are white...not black, not hispanic (in mid U.S.). You could paint your face, but then you'd just be an ass with paint on his face. Silly.
@canisdormit - I'm sure you'd like to stereotype, but just as you inquire about my intentions to receive gov't assistance, I have to in turn ask you: Are you sure you aren't already getting it? Contrary to your assumption (emphasis on ass), I have a successful career and don't owe a dime to any one. You are not very astute are you? If I am completing a thesis, chances are I'm not grooming myself for public assistance. Get a clue and stick to the issue of prof Dyson.
@canisdormit - And still you refuse to address the issues. I will only engage in dialogue that addresses the issues. I was not trying to impress you. If I were, trust me, you'd know. Right now I see that you are not prepared to discuss the issues. So I will end this conversation now. Good night green eyes :)
@yvonnia123 also, you armchair jockey, here's a statistic for you: while blacks make up about 12% of the population, they account for 40% of all welfare recipients. The statistics also tell us that roughly one out of every three blacks is on welfare. For whites its about one in 7-8. You're a fool.
@canisdormit - OK, OK. One more for the road: You obviously fail to see the flaw in your argument. My job actually deals with statistics and so I know how they can be shaped. Anyone who has taken basic marketing knows it. But in this case just take a moment to look at your statement. Think it over this evening...goodnight pumpkin :)
Where you get those stats from? What do you really know? You only know what someone tells you so what do you know? Speak to someone who actually works there. Most of the recipients are Jews and whites from Northern Europe, immigrants. Where ya info come from? No insult to the Jews and them cause if you go to a new country u might need assistance starting out.
Every who defends Dyson is either black or a guilty white liberal.
AS much as I despise MAHER, i agree with him on this issue.
Dyson is an affirmative action professor. Georgetown is predominantly black. The reason he got his tenureship was because of his skin color and not his intellect.
it's pretty simple for people with IQs over 10. You are apparently black or is a fan of Dyson. Your racial/favoritism bias is showing. Dyson is an Affirmative Action Professor. Everyone knows that.
@Romansteel13 I was just asking in what way does he show that he lack intelligence? I didn't ask you anything about myself, My bias, or my IQ. Give me something substantial to suggest that the man does not deserve to be in the position that he is in. And give me an example of his lack of intelligence.
One - Affirmative Action, the whites and other races who scored higher on the test were refused tenureship, that he ultimately received because based solely on his skin color. Eric Holder and Clinton has said we need more blacks, who cares if they are under-qualified or stupid.
Two - Dyson enunciates and slurs his words in a fast manner, like the previous poster below me said. Big words not much substances, and long adjectives.
@Romansteel13 So you have personally seen his test scores? You know for certain that every other person who was not African American scored higher?
You have access to all of the test scores of Georgetown? And you are without a doubt convinced that Micheal is not worthy of being in his position because he slurs his words and talks fast right? You've made a convincing argument for everything but his lack of intelligence. Give me an example of him being dumb.
So you have personally seen his test scores? You are begging the question. Petitio Principii. I work for the hardest public university in the world. We have an archive of almost every single professor in every ivy league school. Yes, I have seen his scores. They were paltry. Especially his SATS. He made Bush look like Copernicus.
"Give me an example of him being dumb."
Thought you'd never ask.
"It amazes me that white Americans are incapable of acknowledging what is before our face"
@Romansteel13 I'm not debating here. I just want to be clear on the reason you've come to that conclusion. I'm willing to listen to what you have to say and take it into consideration. Make me believe that you know what you are talking about.
Three - Dyson has stated on numerous occasions that black vernacular particularly black canon of the works of Tupac Shakur. Surpasses any White Renaissance figure or Indo-European inventor. Which I find Ironic, considering Shakur stole from Machiavelli and renamed himself Makaveli. LOL. God, Dyson is Irony incarnate. He is exactly what is wrong with America. Giving renowned-positions to inculpable fools. (FYI, i'm not white or black, i'm merely observing from a 3rd party persp.)
@Romansteel13 OK I see. I'm not a fan of Tupac. Never really was. But for the most part an opinion of art is subjective. I think Moose Tracks ice cream surpasses Vanilla. Even though moose tracks uses vanilla ice cream. That still does not give me an example of how the man is not deserving of the position that he is in. Also your race doesn't matter to me. However what does matter to me is understanding why you feel the way you do about the subject at hand. Just curious.
Once again you are resorting to logical fallacies. You can't have your cake and eat it my friend. I can tell you are biased in your thinking and no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise. I shall keep on laying more evidence just for principle. Sitting on my ass making, 970k a year is hard work indeed =-).
"People are keeping their kids at home because they fear he's going to use his bully pulpit to try to drive home a Democratic agenda." This especially made me, chuckle.
"OK I see. I'm not a fan of Tupac. Never really was." The Subject isn't about Tupac my friend. It's about Dyson thinking hes the intellectual equivalent to Spinoza, Descartes and Galileo. If you cannot see his deluded mentality, then i'm willing to assume you share his point of view. For such a basic and mundane point you sure missed it. By espousing Tupac is greater than the aforementioned, he is inciting black supremacy or he's really stupid. The latter, I presume.
@Romansteel13 I wanted an explanation and you delivered. I am not one to avoid when I am mistaken or wrong. You have given me examples. Thank you very much. And he may be inciting black supremacy but white supremacy is incited in American society so much that it has become the norm. I know nothing of Spinoza, Descartes, or Galileo. But knowing about these figures comes from being exposed to those figures. I am always trying to learn something new.
White Supremacy is the norm?! Are you joking? Blacks + Latinos and Asians are going to be the majority come 2040. Whites are a minority in their own country which I find amusing, considering i'm not white. Come 2015, according to the 2010 census. California will become a spanish-speaking state, some 75% of the state will have to learn Spanish in order to live their lives fruitfully. FYI, Spinoza, Descartes and Galileo are 1000x smarter than Tupac. Just my opinion, that's all.
@Romansteel13 Notice that you said 2040. And I am not talking about the numbers my friend. When I say white supremacy I mean the power base of the country that makes up 10 percent of the population. And the attitudes that go along with that. You yourself were convinced that I was black. So much to the point that you just had to look at my profile. You along with Most have biases. Everyone is prejudice. But that's just how human beings as a species is. Take care. And thanks for the lesson.
@jeruke Wrong, Right now it's an even keel. 50-50. 50% of America are minorities, yet the USA still refers to them as a minority. LOL. It will take 20+ years for whites to be completely assimilated with other races through bi-racial marriages and inter-racial fornication. (I'm not against neither nor am I for them). If you think Whites are still the majority in America, you are sadly mistaken my friend. Come down to South Central, LA or Mesa, Arizona my main man.
Of course, i'm biased. Intelligence vs. stupidity. You are black, whether you like it or not. Whether your skin color dictates it, you listen to their music, you add them on your profile. That makes you black my friend. You have the Negro Mentality, and you sympathize with blacks. I'm not a racist, how can I be when we are only one race? The Human race. Wow, my anthropology background is taking over lol.
@Romansteel13 White Supremacy is the norm?! Are you joking?
Whites are a minority in their own country which I find amusing, considering I'm not white. Of course, I'm biased. Intelligence vs. stupidity. You are black, whether you like it or not. Whether your skin color dictates it, you listen to their music, you add them on your profile. That makes you black my friend. You have the Negro Mentality, and you sympathize with blacks. I'm not a racist.
Who isn't prejudiced behind closed doors. Once again you are begging the question, petitio principi in other words, you are assuming your initial point because you can't refute mine. EVERYONE has a race they extremely hate behind closed doors, anyone that tells you otherwise is a liar. Although they appear mellow on the outside, in the inside they are seething with hatred. I know this chinese lady, nice as hell. She hates whites with a passion in closed doors.
@Romansteel13 You are absolutely correct. Everyone is prejudiced. I Love the fact that you are so honest. Kudos to you and your superiority complex. And your psychological projection of your own negro mentality. Much love and respect. Stay honest, stay intelligent, Behind closed doors or not. I don't need to refute your point. What a beautiful and well thought out point it is. Thank you. :) oh and p.s I have no race that I hate behind closed doors or otherwise. Though I do have prejudices. Bye!
@jeruke you do know that Romansteel13 is a sociopath right?
let it go, more people see your point than you realize.
and you are right, he is projecting. he's got a lot of hate and hurt in his own heart. he seems to be getting more and more irritated by his own words. never trust a person that keeps calling you "my friend". he's just trying to lure you into a false sense of security. you played him well. very well.
this dude is one step to becoming a serial killer. if not already.
@Romansteel13 That's the reason that I asked. Everyone is biased in some way shape or form. Including yourself. But I am always willing to learn something. I have no hate in my heart. I am just a person who diligently searches for the truth. You have a good night too!
Once again, I was right to assume you were black. A quick browse to your homepage and friends proves me correct. Your racial bias is showing indeed, I think you are taking this way too personally. I did not mean to attack your personal black hero, all i'm saying is he's not as smart as you would like to believe.
Have a good one my black friend. Keep the hate out of your heart.
My favourite part is 1:27, both other guests simultaneously lean back because consciously or subconsciously they know what Maher's saying is about to get his ass kicked and they want to get out of the way,
Dr. Bill Cosby, years ago on the Arsenio Hall show, talked about the "drive by" culture of non black persons taking a glimpse of what they THINK they see and judging the entire black race on their glimpse. The same is true for Hip Hop. There are those like Bill Mahr who consider themselves "hip and evolved" but they don't do the homework. It's the classic "drive by", eloquently articulated by Dr. Cosby and expounded upon by one Dr. Michael Eric Dyson. Amen.
It's fun watching white liberals trying to argue perfectly rational points with an idiotic left-wing black. They seem frightened and confused. Bill Maher's audience is the most sheep-like audience in television.
I'm African American and i'm not Anti-Hip Hop but I do feel as if the good rappers who actually rap with purpose are outweighed by the ignorant willing to sell their soul for fame fake rappers and the issue is that the media only shows the rappers that glorify the wrong things........but yea I wouldn't allow ignorant rap to be repetitious in my young child's ears either..........If I do I am training another statistic and helping to disprove that we shouldn't be enslave but rather free !!!
Sadly, he cannot speak for every black resident. What Dyson preaches most won't agree unless it justifies their proceeding to rap ugly.
The ghetto is not a favorable starting point. Folks leave the ghetto for better areas. Cities tear down ghettos to build estate of higher value & lure more privileged or wealthier consumers that assist with positive production.
Hip hop is the voice of Black fascism and Black supremacism. For racists in tune with the message of Black hate (such as Dyson), there is much to find praise in with the most offensive rap.
Dyson "schools" in the way all racists do - by attempting to find an equivalence between vice and virtue, and by demonizing their targets of hatred. Thus an equivalence is found between boasting about rapes and drug-deals and the Federalist papers, and Alexander Hamilton becomes a "pimp".
nobody got schooled here, the benjamin franklin was a comment based off of his own rascist idealogy, plenty of people write about martin luther king, and he hit his wife once, but we dont focus on that do we? The rap music perpetuated by todays society is intolerable and makes the ghettos continue longer because it causes people to continue th ebehavior which is provokes.
He says , "im a fan of hip hop". i dont think he is listening to ture hip hop, he needs to turn off the radio, really get into hip hop, and find it for himself. Its not hip hop just because people tell you it is......Come on Bill!
Uhh yea putting text all over the video about how schooled Bill Maher got is more immature than insinuating that Alexander Hamilton was a pimp. If you want to attack Bill Maher do it legitimately. He contradicted himself. He said that rappers tell the truth but thats not necessarily a good thing but when Jay-Z was on his show he said it was a good thing. There ya go
I think people need to re-learn the meaning of "racism". It's become used for discussing so many differing things that it's lost any sense it once had...
epic fail and false arguments, hip hop is the most degenerated thing in the world. Word have no meaning, all about bitches & money. Hip-hop it's just the perfect tool of globalisation, to help companies make money with shity singers.
Epic fail? There are many rappers who have gone on to become a success. Will Smith, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah and many others. There are other forms of music that I would consider to be an "epic fail".
Omg i dont know who the guy who defends hip hop is but if he was arguing about that in europe he would have been owned in 2 minutes because hip hop is a culture for analphabetic people and illeterate ones
Hip Hop relates to Illiterate people? Hmmm.....I'll throw out a few names. Will "Fresh Prince" Smith. Oshea "Ice Cube" Jackson, Tupac Shakur, Christopher Wallace, who was a honor student and Queen Latifah! What's your angle?
lol look: souldja boy, Rick ross, lil wayne,lil flip, flo rida, Gucci-mane,t-pain, ace-hood, and tons of other rappers who can't even read or speak & even less argue over a simple theme are winning millions because of the mediatic shit.
Your "angle" of view is much tiny that real one. Don't show me 3 rappers who were good & 1 avaredge
First; Learn how to spell average! I can can show plenty of intelligent "rappers". Hence Chuck D owning Michael Steele on D L Hughley's show. KRS One, Darrell McDaniel (DMC) and Joseph Simmons (Run) are both highly intelligent men. Not to mention James Todd (LL Cool J) Smith. Next you'll say- "don't show me 6 rappers who were good and & 1 AVEREDGE".
At least try to put together a simple coherent sentence.........
lol first, that was a typing mistake, i wrote quick & got the french keybord config, anyways...U know, the thing about the rappers is not that they have to be "okay", most of them (i'm saving 1 or 2 in case u show up) go with the actual ideology way, which is affected with globalisation & lying medias. I haven't seen a single revolutionary rapper with great texts about society, and talk about infiltrated totalitarism of consumption. I rather hear poets who were revolutionary & also were aimed
I think KRS One and Common are two people who would fit the mold the you're referring to. Rap is not my cup of tea. But, to call these guys "illiterate" is a bit of stretch. I'm more of a Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson and James Brown fan.
But to sum it up, I think that there are lot of talented rappers out there. As always, ppl. will focus on the worst instead of looking at the total picture. You said I only named "3" rappers. What about the others? No comment on them, eh?
..to change countries because they went against the State, which most of the time plays the role of a censor. There is no ideology ruled by a state which is perfect. The perfect society is just an utopia. So, why would they be artist if they are protecting the interest of the State ( sell cds) & their (got money), but notthe citizens ones. That is a real artist, not a piece of shit who doesnt know anithing about relative dogmatisme & current ideology, but just raps to get rich.
3. You say "LL cool J", you see, you seem to be a typical ignorant, you haven't read a single book. That guys shows his muscles on a the front of a CD, what kind of artist is that, what does he want to show us. People like you make these rap shits powerful. Pure decreasing intelectuality. Where is the world going to?
The key word to your observation is: SPELLE. lol.. At least I can "can" spell. That's an example of "writing quick".
Ignorant? "INTELLECTUALITY" is the word you're trying to spell? Dude, by a consonant! You pretend to be so smart, but you can't spell worth a damn! I bet you don't know the meaning of the words you misspell.
As for LL, I thought we were talking about "illiterate" rappers". I pointed him out for his intelligence, you're the one who's gone off on a tangent about his body.
liar7777; What a hypocrite you are! You despise "rappers" and "rap music", but you fail to mention to the You-tube community that you were conceived off of "rap music"! Hence the "two live crew" was your parents favorite back in the late 80's. "Me so Horny" "hey, we want some pu**y"! "get it girl" and your mom's favorite-"don't stop, get it, get it"! lol.. Don't get mad at all the rappers for what Luther Campbell is responsible for. Hee Heeee...
lol yeah if you like, you can "spell" english, but i can talk 5 diff languages. The point of this is not the spelling, i can do 1 or 2 mistakes, my english is no perfect, if you prefer we can argue in french. So put that stupid justification away, you look like a little baby complaining for nothing, thats what also puts you to the way of following rap.
Country, pop & other similarities are not the same, they are produced to entertain,that's the principe of music. Go & see the DEFINITION of the word rap in case you haven't. Some analysts call it "desesperate language".
There may be talented rappers out there, of course, but talented for what? Make unrelated words rime? In rap, you can't find anything but shit. Rap is about hate, race, groups, ethny, pride, war, sex and nothing else.
It took you a week to come up with this crap? I've been in two relationships, bought a house, sold a car and delivered a litter of puppies since then. This is all you have to talk about?
Your point is well-taken (facetiously speaking). Are you satisfied? If so, then Shoo! I have to get ready for my weekend football!
yeah well then excuse me not to be a youtube nerd-fan. I had something else to do, than respond to your pointless comments, which were actually outdated.
Grate for your relationships & other new stuff, things happen fast in your life hope its not as fast & shitty as rap ;)
@Ilir7777 "Rap is about hate, race, groups, ethny, pride, war, sex and nothing else." LOL wow, please do yourself a favour and stop speaking on behalf of a genre which you clearly have no knowledge of. That's one of the biggest generalizations and over-blown stereotypes of the genre I've ever heard. That was just one big hyperbole...
So yeah, look, i dont want to change your opinion, you may also say rap is great that's still a free opinion, but i'm sure that if you would have read a bit of real reactionists & people who really had balls to stand against the power of a corrupted state, i'm sure you would argue differently. Perhaps you think that rap is just music & we have to appriciate it like that , but no, it's also a brain endoctrinement for children.
Maher...Dyson... and Hip Hop...... all garbage!
bilbob7624 2 weeks ago
HIP HOP
IS
LIFE
asphyxiafeeling 1 month ago
If you take a close look on an older ten dollar bill you will notice a lump under Hamilton's coat. I think it's a gat.
blabblab1212 3 months ago
This is the dumbest shit on youtube. Really? Comparing Andrew Hamilton, with shit like Lil' Wayne? Fuck off.
SunlitTrollFilms 4 months ago
Bill Maher is so white on this debate that I can see why he gets support from the KKKristian right who otherwise hates his guts.
ricardofuego 4 months ago
Alexander Hamilton behaving like a pimp? How many pimps actually engage in traditional duels? How many are willing to die for the sake of honor or their "women's" honor? How many pimps are potential heads of state, intellectuals, and revered historical figures?
Bill Maher won this debate hands down.
roomie4rent 4 months ago
@roomie4rent - I think you may be posing the question in reverse. View it this way: How many heads of state are pimps??? Ahhh, see what I did there? Answer: ALL of them.
ebruceii 4 months ago
@ebruceii Really? ALL of them? Sure, maybe pedophiles like Berlusconi and violent despots, but I doubt Obama, Angela Merkel, Sarkozy, et al would fit the ideal pimp portrayal as outlined by rappers.
Your argument is flawed and nonsensical. Stop trying to rationalize behavior that is irresponsible, irredeemable, and immoral.
roomie4rent 4 months ago
@roomie4rent - You clearly have no idea what a pimp really is, in that case. Pimps do whatever the hell they want and use, manipulate and subjugate people for their own purposes. Name for me one single head of state that DOESN'T engage in such policy. Go ahead, I'll wait... Secondly, who gives a shit what some rappers idea of a "pimp" is? Doesn't mean shit in this context. Have a nice day, skippy. "I love ppl who try to tell others to "stop" doing *anything* on youtube. lmfao. Sad.
ebruceii 3 months ago
@ebruceii What you describe is criminal and in a well-regulated and transparent society, like the US and UK, heads of state are held to account for everything they say and do. So to answer your question, no HoS in a free, wealthy, democratic society behaves like a "pimp." And, FYI, I'm not commanding you to do anything - only suggesting you desist making a fool of yourself by justifying criminal behavior. Unfortunately you clearly aren't intellectually capable of making that distinction, skippy.
roomie4rent 3 months ago
@roomie4rent - Umm, not sure exactly what "well-regulated and transparent society" you are living in, but you sound completely delusion with your denial of centuries of behind-closed-doors govt corruption at the highest levels in nations all over the globe, or maybe you have simply forgotten history. My fellow PSU alums who were Poli-Sci M.B.A.s would get a huge laugh out of this conversation. Lastly, baseless questioning of another man's intellect is a tactic of the feeble-minded.
ebruceii 3 months ago
@ebruceii You watch a lot of movies, don't you? This isn't 16th century Florence. Ever heard of the GAO, the POGO, GAP, and other independent, oversight NGO's? Let's not forget the every prying watch of the very resourceful media. No high ranking politician escapes scrutiny. Bill Clinton couldn't even get a damn BJ without sparking a national uproar. I'm rather confident actual "pimps" don't have those sort of troubles.
It's time to return to Earth there, skippy.
roomie4rent 3 months ago
@roomie4rent - Wrong again, genius. Just continue to live in your own delusional little bubble like the sheep that you are and you will REMAIN none the wiser. I struggle to even get you to learn what the definition of a pimp really is. Kind of hard to see it when you're the proverbial whore and don't even realize it I guess. Too funny. :)))) You actually think we live in a Democratic society??? The joke lies heavily upon you. My expert friends thank you for the laugh, by the way! :)))) Classic.
ebruceii 2 months ago
@ebruceii You say I'm wrong without any proof. I say you're wrong with manifest proof. You defend criminality. I defend integrity. You believe America is a furtive oligarchy without evidence. I believe America is democratic with abundant evidence. You use small words. I use bigger words. You're clearly an idiot, I'm not.
Nothing is more pathetic than a stupid person who thinks they are intelligent. And in case the meaning of that adage escapes you, it was referring to you. :))))))))))
roomie4rent 2 months ago
All of the conscious rappers, the knowledgeable rappers & rappers with depth don't get radio play, their music doesn't sell, they don't become mainstream...they're either underground or not respected or acknowledged. It's the bullshit that sells. These rappers need to make money and WANT success so what do they do? They write the shit that sells! Don't blame rap music for that!
treestar 6 months ago
Folks dont be fooled by Dyson, he doesnt speak for blacks or the whole of Americans. Hip Hop is well diversed, the music industry distribution is not. That should sum up the Hip hop genre debate. Dyson does not speak for hip hop. He tries to play both sides of the fence. He talks more trash than most white tv hosts about hip hop and its artists then gets in front of white crowds like he is so down with the streets. He self serves, not serves us. All hip hop is not the same and neither are blacks
bamjungle 6 months ago
@bamjungle ....What on earth are you going on about?? Did you not hear him in this video or did you just click a video with Dyson's name in the title to rant about him in the comments box without even watching the damn video first?! He stated how DIVERSE HipHop is and how "the music industry distribution is not"!! That's basically what the damn man said so who are YOU fooling?? I think you are a hater and I think you are threatened by him. I think you wish you was him.
treestar 6 months ago
@treestar Okay, did you not read my statement? Did you not hear some of the comments he made before he got heated with the white dude next to him? I saw the forum that he referenced in the video, he was in front of a black audience talking more crap than Mahr ever did on that show. He got in front of Mahr's white audience fired up because a white man couldnt appreciate the genre. Two sides of the fence. Cant talk smack to your people then get on a white man's show trying to prove how down u are.
bamjungle 6 months ago
@treestar I made my comments based on seeing the forum he spoke of, then seeing this video in its entirety. He has many contradictory remarks about hip hop and other topics. So I pointed out that saying one thing to one group and another to someone else is trying to fool the people. You cant come against the culture, then use the culture for cred. It doesnt work. Its fake not real. I dont hate him, I think he serves himself in these conversations. Threatened..no, are you? You may wish u were him
bamjungle 6 months ago
White liberals have a great deal to learn about white supremacy before they call themselves non-racists.
ricardofuego 6 months ago
@ricardofuego Liberals have a lot to learn about everything. Otherwise, they wouldn't be liberals--at least not in the way that label is used today.
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@PumpingSmashkins - Right, all those liberal scientists and liberal professors have so much to learn from the inbred rednecks on the farm...
Vote3rdParty 4 months ago
@Vote3rdParty Thanks for proving my point. Like all liberals, anybody who doesn't subscribe to your delusional, naive, ignorant fantasies is an "inbred redneck." Lol. Fucking tool.
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@PumpingSmashkins - No, I just look at the data. Look up what "data" is. Those will higher IQ's are more inclined to be progressive. Hope I didn't ruin your day, inbred.
Vote3rdParty 4 months ago
@Vote3rdParty Oh my God, why do you insist on publicly embarrassing yourself over and over? First of all, "data" is plural, you pathetically ignorant retard. So YOU obviously don't know what data are, but don't let your obvious ignorance get in the way of your predictable "confidence" in your "enlightenment." Second of all, I've been in I.T. for 15 years, starting as a Data Analyst, and currently a DBA, so I know a lot more about data than you, but that's meaningless since you know zip.
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@Vote3rdParty Oh, and that's the second time in as many posts that you've trotted out the already unoriginal "inbred redneck" comment, which is interesting since you're the one whose shown every sign of being inbred. It's also a patently racist remark, but racism is fine as long as it's against whites. But you're probably one of those intellectual giants who insist that blacks can't be racist. & what "data" are you even referring to? Some context, moron! Not that you're capable of interpreting
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@PumpingSmashkins - Progressives are not inbred, because we have higher IQ's. And there are plenty of white progressives. All the states with higher average IQ's vote democrat. But all we have to really look at is the the polling data taking from the inbred Republican electorate. 1/3 of Republicans didn't believe Obama was born in the U.S. simply because he is a darker shade then them! Rednecks!! Another poll shows only 8% of inbred Republicans believe in evolution! Inbred!!
Vote3rdParty 4 months ago
Being a member of a group that has a higher average IQ does not mean that every member of said group has a high IQ, as you so perfectly demonstrate. Your puny little brainwashed "mind" assumes I'm a Republican because I don't subscribe to your pathetic, ignorant, spoon-fed fantasies masquerading as "enloightenment." Why does that not surprise me? Because there are billions just like you, all clinging desperately to some association with "intelligence" despite having 0 capacity for thought.
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@PumpingSmashkins - And just because you belong to a group of inbreds, doesn't mean you amongst the only semi-retarded segment of the right-wing. You can still be part of the ultra-retarded segment, as you well demonstrate. You don't subscribe to the GOP? What are you a pseudo-"Libertarian"? Progressives (anarchists) founded libertarianism, you right-wingers founded the Third Reich.
Vote3rdParty 4 months ago
@Vote3rdParty As fun as it's been watching you impossibly out-stupid yourself which each successive post, it's become glaringly obvious that you're too retarded to even recognize that you're doing so, so I'll be moving on in favor of somebody whose IQ is not 62, thanks. But you go right on believing that your prefabricated, patently absurd, "progressive" platitudes make you an intellectual. Hold onto that; it's clearly all you have, inbred.
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@PumpingSmashkins - Exactly what I predicted. You have you rebuttal. The capacity to use reason and logic is what makes someone an intellectual, not the use of large words which you re trying to demonstrate. Any inbred can look up large words in the dictionary, but it makes you look pathetically desperate. You have a lot of blabber, but no substance. I'll just end on that note, since you have no rebuttal to my previous post. You clearly were never interested in a constructive conservation.
Vote3rdParty 4 months ago
@PumpingSmashkins - Exactly what I predicted. You have you rebuttal. The capacity to use reason and logic is what makes someone an intellectual, not the use of large words which you re trying to demonstrate. Any inbred can look up large words in the dictionary, but it makes you look pathetically desperate. You have a lot of blabber, but no substance. I'll just end on that note, since you have no rebuttal to my previous post. You clearly were never interested in a constructive conservation.
Vote3rdParty 4 months ago
@Vote3rdParty So you're illiterate as well. Not surprising, but it's kind of strange you would so freely admit it (not that you're really aware that you're doing so). No, Corky, I didn't need to reference a dictionary to compose any of my posts. The fact that your obviously sub-eighth grade level English skills left you struggling with some of the very common and simple language I used says a lot. That you took them as some indication of me being pretentious is simply priceless. Bye forever.
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
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@Vote3rdParty oh yeah, almost forgot: INBRED!
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@Vote3rdParty The average IQ of atheists is higher than that of religious people, yet there are plenty of retarded atheists right here on YouTube.The same with "progressives," as your profound retardation so readily demonstrates. And the average IQ of "African Americans" is 85; a full standard deviation lower than that of whites, but that doesn't mean there are no highly intelligent blacks. But this "statistics for special-needs second graders" tutorial is beyond your comprehension, inbred.
PumpingSmashkins 4 months ago
@PumpingSmashkins - Progressives support the scientific method/facts/statistics, your ilk support creationism and deny evolution. You're not going to convince anyone when right-wingers have such a bad record on matters of at least minimal intelligence.
Vote3rdParty 4 months ago
lol at this nigger
TheL2hang 6 months ago
How dear that Ass hole compare Alexander Hamilton and others to modern day rap artist. Man, what an idiot! Listen to rap artist speak! They sound very uneducated and stupid! My goodness!
joeschmo468 7 months ago
What's he talking about? Hamilton never intended to kill Burr, Hamilton despised dueling but in order to keep his honor he had to attend, but being in line with his anti-duel principals he refused to shoot at Burr, so Burr shot him and he died. He wasn't a thug trying to blast Burr.
TXIHedgehog37 7 months ago
@TXIHedgehog37 Exactly, Dyson has been trying to fool people for years. Trust me, he does not speak for all blacks and he does not speak for all Americans. He goes for the cheap applause yet he brings little fact or substance.
bamjungle 6 months ago
@TXIHedgehog37 you are not understanding his point. He's not saying that Hamilton is a THUG..he used that as an example to show that rap music can be deeper than what is typical thugism. Some of it is telling a story, a message. He's also proving that stories of violence (no matter the damn reason) has always been told whether through literature, movies, or rap music or music period!! To bash rap music as pure arrogant violent mess just shows a person's ignorance of the art form
treestar 6 months ago
Dyson you are awesome hahaha
jejo02 7 months ago
Bill Maher is brilliant only to kids and people who think like children, i.e. liberals.
RoboSlater 7 months ago
@kingmu1 you're right I'm not black I'm asian (indian and japanese mix) but I am certainly NOT a racist and I AM right on what I said maybe you couldn't face the truth because you fit that description yourself?
Hotrod7031 7 months ago
Bill Maher is a pseudo intellectual thinking he is smarter than the mass. But if you listen to this fool talk, it is mostly reiteration of NYT editorials and AIPAC propaganda. Quite racist as well.
rodeo179 7 months ago
Funny how white corporations support the lil Wayne types
djamorpheus 7 months ago
i disagree with Dyson on this.
stringerboi 7 months ago
Both of them are right, there are many great non-violent positive rappers in America and worldwide but there are also a slew of negative mainstream and dirty underground rappers that get more play, more recognition and have more influence. For every up and coming Common there are 100 wannabe Lil Wanyes right behind him/her.
xTheDynastQueenx 8 months ago
Bill Maher is a joke!
theman4130 8 months ago
The only reason you have slum ghettos filled with dirty gangsters who are proud of being dirty gangsters living in a slummy ghettos is because of rap music
Hotrod7031 8 months ago
@Hotrod7031 yes no pride. Dyson was good but lost the lasst part of this. The alexander thing being a pimp was off.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@Hotrod7031 That couln't be any wronger. Black people are in this situation for a variety of reasons. One is post traumatic slavery disorder, white supremacy, capitalism, miseducation, lack of education, fractured families, and the list goes on. This as well as the creative abilities of blacks help to create gangsta rap. I don't think you are black......if you aren't you sir might just be racist.
kingmu1 7 months ago
Most of America hasn't heard any where near 90% of rap. That shit you hear on the radio or in the clubs doesn't compare to the stuff they don't dare air. The stuff that's underground. The mix-tapes that kids pass around. The difference between mainstream rappers and the founding fathers is that mainstream rappers are largely a bunch of posers and our founding fathers made good in their gangster roles
jackedup2077 8 months ago
Bill hasn't heard any where neat 90% of rap
jackedup2077 8 months ago
Bill Maher is judging hip hop based on what he hears on the radio and he calls himself a hip hop fan?
infox1000 9 months ago
If you don't think AT LEAST 90% of rap is just arrogant rhetoric, you obviously have never listened to rap.
StevenCBlah 9 months ago
oh give me a damn break, like heavy metal isn't corrupt, and sick and twisted and heavy metal don't have a message. its just insane
nwr33xl4 9 months ago
oh give me a damn break, like heavy metal isn't corrupt, and sick and twisted
nwr33xl4 9 months ago
Excellent discussion. I really enjoy when Bill has Dyson on.
dppatters 10 months ago
Dyson's rap keeps making me laugh! I love replaying this because he's actually quite the hilarious lyrical genius!
mixxmeu 10 months ago
There may be some "positive" hip hop that exists, but mainstream hip-hop and rap is exactly as Bill says it is - violent, homophobic, misogynist, with glorification of money, sex, and power. Ghetto thugs talking about hitting that booty is not a "complex convergence of competing truths" nor is it "resistance against white supremacy." It doesn't matter if Mos Def is rapping about social injustice if nobody listens to him.
synquantro 10 months ago
Oh boy. Eat fried chicken and fuck white girls. I just realized Im black. Can i eat at the white peoples table?
johngum1973 1 year ago
So, black hip hop artist sell their music to white people and somehow, white people are to blame? Gimme a break.
gombis666 1 year ago
@gombis666 gimme a break white people. whites always complain about the THINGS COLOURED PEOPLE ON EARTH DO, but WHEN WHITES KILL AND SLAUGHTER and annihilate the COLOURED HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH , you whites dont give a fuck!
WHITE PEOPLE LACK EMPATHY FOR COLOURED PEOPLE
WHITEPEOPLE LACK EMPATHY FOR BROWN PEOPLE
WHITE PEOPLE LACK EMPATHY FOR NON WHITES!
you never change and i dont expect you to change... white people.
bosasosolja 11 months ago
@bosasosolja - Sounds like you have no empathy for white people. Maybe you're the problem and the crooked ass lenses you see the world in.
gombis666 11 months ago 2
@bosasosolja
Hey, I love black people, I'm white and looking at our history and the state of the world I can understand why you would think that. However, there are white empaths out there, you just don't see them on mainstream TV. White peopl lackempathy for white people too, you left that one out, but then again you canot generalise, there ar gd white people out there, look at some of the people that nspired Tupac like Henry Miller, he was a very empathetical white man, look him up.
thehunkinator 10 months ago
@bosasosolja Thats one of the most racist things ive heard in a long time.
spiderpig85 10 months ago
I think I would love to have Dr Dysons babies,
but he's married isnt he and I live in a different country to him. love him.
Applebaum 1 year ago
Dyson didn't seem to be "schooling" during his initial comment, he just talked about how great and diverse hip hop was and how even the more "enlightened" rappers may indulge in sex and violence rhymes. Bill just made a statement about how he personally feels about rawnchy lyrics being around kids, he wasn't denying hip hop as a whole. My folks didn't let me own certain albums, both rock and hip hop, until I was out from under their roof.
TheGreaterGood80 1 year ago
If Maher had ever studied Alexander Hamilton, he'd know that Hamilton by most accounts had a HUGE ego, especially as a young and upcoming politician. It may have actually cost him his life.
BloggerMusicMan 1 year ago
Dr. Dyson here actually is insulting the "so-called positive rappers" by deffending the mainstream nonsense rap linking it to USA's founding fathers. I'm not the biggest fan of the USA - or of their FFs - but I have enough respect to this people and these people ;-) to find this mingling of the mainstream with the "positive" and the FFs repulsive!
Dr. D. could've simply said: Yes, there's a lot to be worked on about these issues! - and no one would've considered this a weakness.
grozde 1 year ago
Just when I thought Dyson couldn't be any more willfully ignorant and stupid, he actually has the audacity to try to compare rappers to our founding fathers @ 1:45 !!! Even he can't be stupid enough to think that such a comparison is dignified.
Benjamin Franklin alone has contributed more to our country than all of today's rappers put together by far.
LJPpro 1 year ago
hey, a good way for a black to win an argument certainly is to confuse the situation with ebonics and the race card. I've been thinking about painting myself black, it would be nice to play the victim and get handouts.
canisdormit 1 year ago
@canisdormit u know how many white's come in my store using food stamps or public assistance
RocJr357 1 year ago
@canisdormit u know how many white's come in my store using food stamps or public assistance, so who's getting the handouts
RocJr357 1 year ago 10
@RocJr357 I find it difficult to believe you have a store if you can't seem to grasp punctuation.
canisdormit 1 year ago
@canisdormit I know it's hard to believe that whites are sucking america dry of all it''s resources.
RocJr357 1 year ago
@RocJr357 - Who's getting the handouts? Let's see...GE, GM, Halliburton, JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, AIG, Merrill Lynch, Citigroup and UBS to name a few.
gambit1357 11 months ago
@canisdormit - tisk, tisk. You obviously don't do your homework nor are you able to keep up with what the professor is saying. He is talking about bravado and how it was seen in founding fathers and rappers. Rap does make a lot of $ using ebonics-sad but true. I'm completing my thesis on gov't asst. programs and it is a fact that the majority receiving it are white...not black, not hispanic (in mid U.S.). You could paint your face, but then you'd just be an ass with paint on his face. Silly.
yvonnia123 1 year ago
@yvonnia123 I guess it's good that you're doing a thesis on gov't assistance, it should help you draw more funds from the government eh?
canisdormit 1 year ago
@canisdormit - I'm sure you'd like to stereotype, but just as you inquire about my intentions to receive gov't assistance, I have to in turn ask you: Are you sure you aren't already getting it? Contrary to your assumption (emphasis on ass), I have a successful career and don't owe a dime to any one. You are not very astute are you? If I am completing a thesis, chances are I'm not grooming myself for public assistance. Get a clue and stick to the issue of prof Dyson.
yvonnia123 1 year ago
@yvonnia123 your desktop printer college does not impress me or anyone. But maybe it will impress your homeless friends...
canisdormit 1 year ago
@canisdormit - And still you refuse to address the issues. I will only engage in dialogue that addresses the issues. I was not trying to impress you. If I were, trust me, you'd know. Right now I see that you are not prepared to discuss the issues. So I will end this conversation now. Good night green eyes :)
yvonnia123 1 year ago
@yvonnia123 also, you armchair jockey, here's a statistic for you: while blacks make up about 12% of the population, they account for 40% of all welfare recipients. The statistics also tell us that roughly one out of every three blacks is on welfare. For whites its about one in 7-8. You're a fool.
canisdormit 1 year ago
@canisdormit - OK, OK. One more for the road: You obviously fail to see the flaw in your argument. My job actually deals with statistics and so I know how they can be shaped. Anyone who has taken basic marketing knows it. But in this case just take a moment to look at your statement. Think it over this evening...goodnight pumpkin :)
yvonnia123 1 year ago
@yvonnia123 Ah, I see that once you have the facts you shrivel away. You aren't a liberal are you? I guess I don't even have to ask that do I?
canisdormit 1 year ago
@canisdormit
Where you get those stats from? What do you really know? You only know what someone tells you so what do you know? Speak to someone who actually works there. Most of the recipients are Jews and whites from Northern Europe, immigrants. Where ya info come from? No insult to the Jews and them cause if you go to a new country u might need assistance starting out.
Alara0625 1 year ago
Bill Maher got taken to school here
MrTheFreedomfighterx 1 year ago
correction: 90% of bragging is FOUND on mainstream radio
mc14halo 1 year ago
holy shit I never knew Rahm Emmanual was on real time.
yogibear4091 1 year ago
Every who defends Dyson is either black or a guilty white liberal.
AS much as I despise MAHER, i agree with him on this issue.
Dyson is an affirmative action professor. Georgetown is predominantly black. The reason he got his tenureship was because of his skin color and not his intellect.
Do not buy his malarkey.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 big words not much substance uses long adjectives to make self seem smart
PARKEREAL 1 year ago
@PARKEREAL OK Can you explain why you believe that Micheal Erick Dyson's argument lacks substance?
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
it's pretty simple for people with IQs over 10. You are apparently black or is a fan of Dyson. Your racial/favoritism bias is showing. Dyson is an Affirmative Action Professor. Everyone knows that.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 I was just asking in what way does he show that he lack intelligence? I didn't ask you anything about myself, My bias, or my IQ. Give me something substantial to suggest that the man does not deserve to be in the position that he is in. And give me an example of his lack of intelligence.
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
I had already given you three examples.
One - Affirmative Action, the whites and other races who scored higher on the test were refused tenureship, that he ultimately received because based solely on his skin color. Eric Holder and Clinton has said we need more blacks, who cares if they are under-qualified or stupid.
Two - Dyson enunciates and slurs his words in a fast manner, like the previous poster below me said. Big words not much substances, and long adjectives.
Three - needroom
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 So you have personally seen his test scores? You know for certain that every other person who was not African American scored higher?
You have access to all of the test scores of Georgetown? And you are without a doubt convinced that Micheal is not worthy of being in his position because he slurs his words and talks fast right? You've made a convincing argument for everything but his lack of intelligence. Give me an example of him being dumb.
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
So you have personally seen his test scores? You are begging the question. Petitio Principii. I work for the hardest public university in the world. We have an archive of almost every single professor in every ivy league school. Yes, I have seen his scores. They were paltry. Especially his SATS. He made Bush look like Copernicus.
"Give me an example of him being dumb."
Thought you'd never ask.
"It amazes me that white Americans are incapable of acknowledging what is before our face"
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@jeruke he is deep without dept
PARKEREAL 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 So you are saying that Micheal Erick Dyson is not intelligent?
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke yes. he is a typical salesman
PARKEREAL 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 I'm not debating here. I just want to be clear on the reason you've come to that conclusion. I'm willing to listen to what you have to say and take it into consideration. Make me believe that you know what you are talking about.
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
Three - Dyson has stated on numerous occasions that black vernacular particularly black canon of the works of Tupac Shakur. Surpasses any White Renaissance figure or Indo-European inventor. Which I find Ironic, considering Shakur stole from Machiavelli and renamed himself Makaveli. LOL. God, Dyson is Irony incarnate. He is exactly what is wrong with America. Giving renowned-positions to inculpable fools. (FYI, i'm not white or black, i'm merely observing from a 3rd party persp.)
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 OK I see. I'm not a fan of Tupac. Never really was. But for the most part an opinion of art is subjective. I think Moose Tracks ice cream surpasses Vanilla. Even though moose tracks uses vanilla ice cream. That still does not give me an example of how the man is not deserving of the position that he is in. Also your race doesn't matter to me. However what does matter to me is understanding why you feel the way you do about the subject at hand. Just curious.
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
Once again you are resorting to logical fallacies. You can't have your cake and eat it my friend. I can tell you are biased in your thinking and no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise. I shall keep on laying more evidence just for principle. Sitting on my ass making, 970k a year is hard work indeed =-).
"People are keeping their kids at home because they fear he's going to use his bully pulpit to try to drive home a Democratic agenda." This especially made me, chuckle.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@jeruke
"OK I see. I'm not a fan of Tupac. Never really was." The Subject isn't about Tupac my friend. It's about Dyson thinking hes the intellectual equivalent to Spinoza, Descartes and Galileo. If you cannot see his deluded mentality, then i'm willing to assume you share his point of view. For such a basic and mundane point you sure missed it. By espousing Tupac is greater than the aforementioned, he is inciting black supremacy or he's really stupid. The latter, I presume.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 I wanted an explanation and you delivered. I am not one to avoid when I am mistaken or wrong. You have given me examples. Thank you very much. And he may be inciting black supremacy but white supremacy is incited in American society so much that it has become the norm. I know nothing of Spinoza, Descartes, or Galileo. But knowing about these figures comes from being exposed to those figures. I am always trying to learn something new.
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
White Supremacy is the norm?! Are you joking? Blacks + Latinos and Asians are going to be the majority come 2040. Whites are a minority in their own country which I find amusing, considering i'm not white. Come 2015, according to the 2010 census. California will become a spanish-speaking state, some 75% of the state will have to learn Spanish in order to live their lives fruitfully. FYI, Spinoza, Descartes and Galileo are 1000x smarter than Tupac. Just my opinion, that's all.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 Notice that you said 2040. And I am not talking about the numbers my friend. When I say white supremacy I mean the power base of the country that makes up 10 percent of the population. And the attitudes that go along with that. You yourself were convinced that I was black. So much to the point that you just had to look at my profile. You along with Most have biases. Everyone is prejudice. But that's just how human beings as a species is. Take care. And thanks for the lesson.
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke Wrong, Right now it's an even keel. 50-50. 50% of America are minorities, yet the USA still refers to them as a minority. LOL. It will take 20+ years for whites to be completely assimilated with other races through bi-racial marriages and inter-racial fornication. (I'm not against neither nor am I for them). If you think Whites are still the majority in America, you are sadly mistaken my friend. Come down to South Central, LA or Mesa, Arizona my main man.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@jeruke
Of course, i'm biased. Intelligence vs. stupidity. You are black, whether you like it or not. Whether your skin color dictates it, you listen to their music, you add them on your profile. That makes you black my friend. You have the Negro Mentality, and you sympathize with blacks. I'm not a racist, how can I be when we are only one race? The Human race. Wow, my anthropology background is taking over lol.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 White Supremacy is the norm?! Are you joking?
Whites are a minority in their own country which I find amusing, considering I'm not white. Of course, I'm biased. Intelligence vs. stupidity. You are black, whether you like it or not. Whether your skin color dictates it, you listen to their music, you add them on your profile. That makes you black my friend. You have the Negro Mentality, and you sympathize with blacks. I'm not a racist.
But you are prejudiced.
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
Who isn't prejudiced behind closed doors. Once again you are begging the question, petitio principi in other words, you are assuming your initial point because you can't refute mine. EVERYONE has a race they extremely hate behind closed doors, anyone that tells you otherwise is a liar. Although they appear mellow on the outside, in the inside they are seething with hatred. I know this chinese lady, nice as hell. She hates whites with a passion in closed doors.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 You are absolutely correct. Everyone is prejudiced. I Love the fact that you are so honest. Kudos to you and your superiority complex. And your psychological projection of your own negro mentality. Much love and respect. Stay honest, stay intelligent, Behind closed doors or not. I don't need to refute your point. What a beautiful and well thought out point it is. Thank you. :) oh and p.s I have no race that I hate behind closed doors or otherwise. Though I do have prejudices. Bye!
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke you do know that Romansteel13 is a sociopath right?
let it go, more people see your point than you realize.
and you are right, he is projecting. he's got a lot of hate and hurt in his own heart. he seems to be getting more and more irritated by his own words. never trust a person that keeps calling you "my friend". he's just trying to lure you into a false sense of security. you played him well. very well.
this dude is one step to becoming a serial killer. if not already.
Muszell 1 year ago
@Romansteel13 That's the reason that I asked. Everyone is biased in some way shape or form. Including yourself. But I am always willing to learn something. I have no hate in my heart. I am just a person who diligently searches for the truth. You have a good night too!
jeruke 1 year ago
@jeruke
Once again, I was right to assume you were black. A quick browse to your homepage and friends proves me correct. Your racial bias is showing indeed, I think you are taking this way too personally. I did not mean to attack your personal black hero, all i'm saying is he's not as smart as you would like to believe.
Have a good one my black friend. Keep the hate out of your heart.
Romansteel13 1 year ago
Maher's an idiot. About everything.
Thank you Michael Dyson for representing the ghettos for once.
sgthobbes2 1 year ago
My favourite part is 1:27, both other guests simultaneously lean back because consciously or subconsciously they know what Maher's saying is about to get his ass kicked and they want to get out of the way,
gramamge33 1 year ago
@gramamge33 I know, right.
blktrekie29 1 year ago
how out the hstory of America is about theivery and egotism!!! i love that man!!!!
Khonsu1212 1 year ago
You can't forget about "Raptivists" like the very smart Sister Souljah who used her talent to bring awareness.
jtkalehua 1 year ago
Dr. Bill Cosby, years ago on the Arsenio Hall show, talked about the "drive by" culture of non black persons taking a glimpse of what they THINK they see and judging the entire black race on their glimpse. The same is true for Hip Hop. There are those like Bill Mahr who consider themselves "hip and evolved" but they don't do the homework. It's the classic "drive by", eloquently articulated by Dr. Cosby and expounded upon by one Dr. Michael Eric Dyson. Amen.
Revolutionoffunk 1 year ago 14
@Revolutionoffunk wow...you are one deluded fellow. Good luck at waking up to reality one day.
LJPpro 1 year ago
@Revolutionoffunk You said it! AND, you have said it very well!
theman4130 11 months ago
It's fun watching white liberals trying to argue perfectly rational points with an idiotic left-wing black. They seem frightened and confused. Bill Maher's audience is the most sheep-like audience in television.
seans10 1 year ago
I'm African American and i'm not Anti-Hip Hop but I do feel as if the good rappers who actually rap with purpose are outweighed by the ignorant willing to sell their soul for fame fake rappers and the issue is that the media only shows the rappers that glorify the wrong things........but yea I wouldn't allow ignorant rap to be repetitious in my young child's ears either..........If I do I am training another statistic and helping to disprove that we shouldn't be enslave but rather free !!!
bj67789 1 year ago
"The ghetto's about upward mobility, etc, etc"
Sadly, he cannot speak for every black resident. What Dyson preaches most won't agree unless it justifies their proceeding to rap ugly.
The ghetto is not a favorable starting point. Folks leave the ghetto for better areas. Cities tear down ghettos to build estate of higher value & lure more privileged or wealthier consumers that assist with positive production.
Efferts 1 year ago
wooow i love dyson
smartg159 1 year ago
Some rap music is just plain shitty. Some is Brilliant. You can't generalize the entire musical genre.
zimmerface 1 year ago
Hip hop is the voice of Black fascism and Black supremacism. For racists in tune with the message of Black hate (such as Dyson), there is much to find praise in with the most offensive rap.
Dyson "schools" in the way all racists do - by attempting to find an equivalence between vice and virtue, and by demonizing their targets of hatred. Thus an equivalence is found between boasting about rapes and drug-deals and the Federalist papers, and Alexander Hamilton becomes a "pimp".
DrCruel 1 year ago
nobody got schooled here, the benjamin franklin was a comment based off of his own rascist idealogy, plenty of people write about martin luther king, and he hit his wife once, but we dont focus on that do we? The rap music perpetuated by todays society is intolerable and makes the ghettos continue longer because it causes people to continue th ebehavior which is provokes.
TopSideUp 1 year ago
hahhaha I CREATED THIS VIDEO.
I lost in when my old comp crashed. Good shit.
the92503report 2 years ago
He says , "im a fan of hip hop". i dont think he is listening to ture hip hop, he needs to turn off the radio, really get into hip hop, and find it for himself. Its not hip hop just because people tell you it is......Come on Bill!
jsdrinkinagain 2 years ago
"artform to resist white supremecy in American culture" LOL.
cdoug1 2 years ago
Uhh yea putting text all over the video about how schooled Bill Maher got is more immature than insinuating that Alexander Hamilton was a pimp. If you want to attack Bill Maher do it legitimately. He contradicted himself. He said that rappers tell the truth but thats not necessarily a good thing but when Jay-Z was on his show he said it was a good thing. There ya go
SoulUltima597 2 years ago
Bill pwnd him....rap, yuck
WonderBread006 2 years ago
Dyson is a racist idiot.
Comparing the Founding Fathers with rappers???
RetSquid 2 years ago
Yeah, so??? How is that racist?
trinitymike 2 years ago
He's saying that a black rapper is on the same level as the (white) Founding Fathers.
RetSquid 2 years ago
yeah...and how is that racist? He's saying that both used language to persuade and move others. Rhetoric is a great intellectual device..
trinitymike 2 years ago
ow wow, saying that rap/hip-hop sucks because they have no brain & deform the language is racist? Hahaha, poor teddy bear
Ilir7777 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about???
Are you even responding to me??? or is this drivel targeted at retsquid?
trinitymike 2 years ago
sorry lol i wanted to respond to another, but the page scrolled itself apparently & responded to you instead of sbdy else. :p
Ilir7777 2 years ago
how was that racist?
trinitymike 2 years ago
@trinitymike
He mentioned one was black. Therefore it's racist, according to lots of black people.
RetSquid 2 years ago
I think people need to re-learn the meaning of "racism". It's become used for discussing so many differing things that it's lost any sense it once had...
trinitymike 2 years ago
@trinitymike
This is what it actually means, as opposed to just a "mention" of color:
Racism: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races.
2.discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race.
RetSquid 2 years ago
Pornography is not black created, I think that has more devastating effect than rap.
Darkzkin 2 years ago
epic fail and false arguments, hip hop is the most degenerated thing in the world. Word have no meaning, all about bitches & money. Hip-hop it's just the perfect tool of globalisation, to help companies make money with shity singers.
shkronja 2 years ago
Epic fail? There are many rappers who have gone on to become a success. Will Smith, Ice Cube, Queen Latifah and many others. There are other forms of music that I would consider to be an "epic fail".
Hvala!
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
Omg i dont know who the guy who defends hip hop is but if he was arguing about that in europe he would have been owned in 2 minutes because hip hop is a culture for analphabetic people and illeterate ones
Ilir7777 2 years ago
Hip Hop relates to Illiterate people? Hmmm.....I'll throw out a few names. Will "Fresh Prince" Smith. Oshea "Ice Cube" Jackson, Tupac Shakur, Christopher Wallace, who was a honor student and Queen Latifah! What's your angle?
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
lol look: souldja boy, Rick ross, lil wayne,lil flip, flo rida, Gucci-mane,t-pain, ace-hood, and tons of other rappers who can't even read or speak & even less argue over a simple theme are winning millions because of the mediatic shit.
Your "angle" of view is much tiny that real one. Don't show me 3 rappers who were good & 1 avaredge
Ilir7777 2 years ago
First; Learn how to spell average! I can can show plenty of intelligent "rappers". Hence Chuck D owning Michael Steele on D L Hughley's show. KRS One, Darrell McDaniel (DMC) and Joseph Simmons (Run) are both highly intelligent men. Not to mention James Todd (LL Cool J) Smith. Next you'll say- "don't show me 6 rappers who were good and & 1 AVEREDGE".
At least try to put together a simple coherent sentence.........
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
1.
lol first, that was a typing mistake, i wrote quick & got the french keybord config, anyways...U know, the thing about the rappers is not that they have to be "okay", most of them (i'm saving 1 or 2 in case u show up) go with the actual ideology way, which is affected with globalisation & lying medias. I haven't seen a single revolutionary rapper with great texts about society, and talk about infiltrated totalitarism of consumption. I rather hear poets who were revolutionary & also were aimed
Ilir7777 2 years ago
Typo? OK...
I think KRS One and Common are two people who would fit the mold the you're referring to. Rap is not my cup of tea. But, to call these guys "illiterate" is a bit of stretch. I'm more of a Marvin Gaye, Smokey Robinson and James Brown fan.
But to sum it up, I think that there are lot of talented rappers out there. As always, ppl. will focus on the worst instead of looking at the total picture. You said I only named "3" rappers. What about the others? No comment on them, eh?
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
2.
..to change countries because they went against the State, which most of the time plays the role of a censor. There is no ideology ruled by a state which is perfect. The perfect society is just an utopia. So, why would they be artist if they are protecting the interest of the State ( sell cds) & their (got money), but notthe citizens ones. That is a real artist, not a piece of shit who doesnt know anithing about relative dogmatisme & current ideology, but just raps to get rich.
Ilir7777 2 years ago
I guess heavy metal, country music and other forms of music is the way to go?
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
3. You say "LL cool J", you see, you seem to be a typical ignorant, you haven't read a single book. That guys shows his muscles on a the front of a CD, what kind of artist is that, what does he want to show us. People like you make these rap shits powerful. Pure decreasing intelectuality. Where is the world going to?
Ilir7777 2 years ago
The key word to your observation is: SPELLE. lol.. At least I can "can" spell. That's an example of "writing quick".
Ignorant? "INTELLECTUALITY" is the word you're trying to spell? Dude, by a consonant! You pretend to be so smart, but you can't spell worth a damn! I bet you don't know the meaning of the words you misspell.
As for LL, I thought we were talking about "illiterate" rappers". I pointed him out for his intelligence, you're the one who's gone off on a tangent about his body.
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
by=buy?
redhibernation 2 years ago
4. You spelled twice the word "can".
before correcting me you should have watched your field
Ilir7777 2 years ago
liar7777; What a hypocrite you are! You despise "rappers" and "rap music", but you fail to mention to the You-tube community that you were conceived off of "rap music"! Hence the "two live crew" was your parents favorite back in the late 80's. "Me so Horny" "hey, we want some pu**y"! "get it girl" and your mom's favorite-"don't stop, get it, get it"! lol.. Don't get mad at all the rappers for what Luther Campbell is responsible for. Hee Heeee...
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
lol yeah if you like, you can "spell" english, but i can talk 5 diff languages. The point of this is not the spelling, i can do 1 or 2 mistakes, my english is no perfect, if you prefer we can argue in french. So put that stupid justification away, you look like a little baby complaining for nothing, thats what also puts you to the way of following rap.
Ilir7777 2 years ago
Country, pop & other similarities are not the same, they are produced to entertain,that's the principe of music. Go & see the DEFINITION of the word rap in case you haven't. Some analysts call it "desesperate language".
There may be talented rappers out there, of course, but talented for what? Make unrelated words rime? In rap, you can't find anything but shit. Rap is about hate, race, groups, ethny, pride, war, sex and nothing else.
Ilir7777 2 years ago
It took you a week to come up with this crap? I've been in two relationships, bought a house, sold a car and delivered a litter of puppies since then. This is all you have to talk about?
Your point is well-taken (facetiously speaking). Are you satisfied? If so, then Shoo! I have to get ready for my weekend football!
whiteliberal1 2 years ago
yeah well then excuse me not to be a youtube nerd-fan. I had something else to do, than respond to your pointless comments, which were actually outdated.
Grate for your relationships & other new stuff, things happen fast in your life hope its not as fast & shitty as rap ;)
Ilir7777 2 years ago
@Ilir7777 "Rap is about hate, race, groups, ethny, pride, war, sex and nothing else." LOL wow, please do yourself a favour and stop speaking on behalf of a genre which you clearly have no knowledge of. That's one of the biggest generalizations and over-blown stereotypes of the genre I've ever heard. That was just one big hyperbole...
slick7953 1 year ago
@slick7953 prove me i'm wrong
Ilir7777 1 year ago
So yeah, look, i dont want to change your opinion, you may also say rap is great that's still a free opinion, but i'm sure that if you would have read a bit of real reactionists & people who really had balls to stand against the power of a corrupted state, i'm sure you would argue differently. Perhaps you think that rap is just music & we have to appriciate it like that , but no, it's also a brain endoctrinement for children.
Ilir7777 2 years ago