Open Source Permaculture and Local Food Systems - Open Source Ecology

[ajcarpy2005]

@marcinose I really am interested in Permaculture. I would like to work with you to design plans for integrated systems. I have been doing a lot of research and am interested in tying together what I have learned. I would like to create a resource for myself as well as others.

[ericheithoff2006]

For the trenching/fish/island farming idea- make sure to harvest the fish once a week as soon as you see fish that are large enough to eat. This will allow the rest of the fish to grow to size, as fish will only grow as long as they have sufficient room for growth. Removing the larger fish on a weekly basis will yield more fish overall, since instead of having many different sizes of fish harvested all at once, you will get larger fish throughout the summer.

[koviack]

@ericheithoff2006 that's a myth

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack and why do you say that?

[koviack]

@ericheithoff2006 if i put one fish in a swimming pool will it grow into a whale sized fish because it has so much room?

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack I'm not saying they will just keep growing to whatever size the container is, I'm saying that with enough room the fish will grow to whatever size the full grown fish is genetically predisposed to be. But when the container is overpopulated with other fish, very few of the fish can grow to their full potential. So by removing the larger fish, generally once a week, the smaller fish will now have not only more room to grow, but also more nutrients to be used and express that growth.

[koviack]

@ericheithoff2006 what if i overpopulate the container, do a 90% waterchange every day and make sure they have enough food to go around.. then what? they're all going to stay small? i doubt it

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack I'm not saying they will all stay small, no. With a 90% water change and adequate nutrition they will all grow. But what you see happen in both smaller and larger lakes is that the lake can only support so many larger fish. So until the larger fish are removed from the system, the smaller fish predominate because of the lower amount of nutrition needed to sustain life. With the right nutrition the fish will grow, but will soon outgrow the tank, which will stress all the fish.

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack Less stress=more food intake=higher size and weight gain. So by removing fish weekly, you allow more room in the tank, which lowers stress, and allows the fish to eat and grow to their full potential.

[ericheithoff2006]

@koviack I very well could be wrong, and a couple simple experiments could prove me wrong or prove me right. I would be glad to see the results of any such experiments either way.

[GohanMH1]

I like producing for surplus, it makes quality of life go up. Population drop + producing surplus = life better for everybody. Decentralization of efficient production and knowledge will increase wealth. I do not like to talk in isms and using words as only or never.

Financial crisis was caused by unregulated shadow banking system and supply glut of capital due to divorce of wages and productivity.

[jasmimarley]

9:30 so cute :)

[Vulturemm]

@ 9:10 in the video it's very clear that T-shapped cut was so deep in to the bark. The bark was pealed with the cambium layer. So the cambium layer of the rootstock was contacting the outer bark layer of the bud shiled. At the same time the cambium layer of the bud was contacting the wood (not the cambium layer) of the rootstock.

Most probably, this was the main problem with your grafts.

[nbm34]

The real problem is not THAT PEOPLE COULD NOT CREATE THERE OWN SELF SUSTAINED CO-OPERATIVES. THE REAL PROBLEM is GETTING LAND OF THE CAPITALISTS ANND THE STATE to produce our own economies. THE PRICE OF LAND AND ACCESS TO LAND IN BRITAIN is horrendous and the system denies most of us the opportunities to escape from the stranglehold of the Capitalist sysytem. I am in a small co-operative struggling to find access to land, to build our own commumity needs wtc.

[GohanMH1]

@nbm34

it would be easier if population dropped

we need a new frontier

[nbm34]

@GohanMH1 That is nonesence when THE CAPITALIST system feeds of growth and population increases.

When you recognise THAT THE POST INDUSTRIALENERGY AND FINANCIAL crisis is the DRIVING FORCE behind Population growth. ONLY THE ELIMINATION OF THE CAPITALIST GLOBAL SYSTEM and operating self sustaining local ECONOMIES can we seriously improve the situation.

ELIMINATING GLOBAL CAPITALISM IS THE FRONTIER OF OUR AGE.

[jayluketa]

what wiped out your lettuce crops? Aphids?

[GeraldCelentetrendma]

Even though yield is high in hydroponics, the obvious loss in in human nutrition as to the wider spectrum of nutrients utilized by the human body in plants grown in "rich"soil. Comments appreciated.

[Willcleaver]

Brilliant! just brilliant!!!

[4trahasis]

yay madtown!

[nectarineblue]

looks like alot of fun