Reform Health Care the Right Way

[angelevelyndoyle]

We need GOV sub health care like in Europe..... THINK LIKE EUROPE

[jewy]

Great job, US Chamber of Congress! You're screwing every company except the insurance industry. Way to look out for your members!

[dirtyoldman54]

If you dont want health care,then you dont need it.But many of us do.

[chumbels]

whats the big rush?this reminds me of the bailout and the war in iraq. you want health care? outlaw all the fucking poison in food.fat ass pigs.leave me alone

[Smartassawhip]

if you want to see the truth about health care minus all the bs see the comment section of my profile.

[CastleSunshine]

y are americans scared of healthcare reform, in the uk we spend 50% les per person on healthcare than the USA and we are ranked 18th best and USA are ranked 37th

[rdrakken]

Those scared are the minority. The media focuses on them because they are the ones watching the most news (couch potato inbred rednecks and old people) so they give them what they want to see...themselves being stupid.

Most Americans dont care what these scared people think because they are ALWAYS afraid of something.

So dont let those few coporate slaves fool you into thinking most Americans think that way.

[canditaylor68]

rdrakken please show me exactly where the majority would vote for this particular hc overhaul.We all want some sort of reform,but we dont want this kind of hc reform. Why do u choose to call people who oppose this vulgar names and ageist remarks? Those opposing this hc reform have no power-the dems are completely in power, it is their failure to sell this. If it was a good reform then it would show by support. Lets have a national referendum on it-let ALL OF THE PEOPLE VOTE ON IT.

[rdrakken]

please show you?!?

All it takes is for anyone to look at the videos of the town hall meetings and see how many people are standing around quite and listening compared to the screaming idiots.

The screaming idiots are in a minority.

And the only thing the Democrats failed to do is get Fox News and Limburger off the air because the only people against this are those that have fallen once again to the neo-con disinformation machine.

[canditaylor68]

CastleSunshine-your rate of breast cancer and prostate cancer survival in the UK is nothing to brag about-you brag about how much less per person your country spends on hc, but your cancer mortality rates pale compared to the US. Would you like it if your PMs came in and tried to dismantle your hc system and replace it with something untested? Thats what is happening here in the US. It is not reform-reform would fix problems-this overhaul just creates new problems and increases the old problems.

[thomaserossi]

You're also living in Eurabia. The UK is gone. Sharia Law is growing every day because the Socialist Nanny State has destroyed all of your human instincts. You praise abortions and homosexuals only to live divorced and single.

The UK will be no longer. The Left destroyed your country with Multiculturalism and Postmodern relativism. You're all a bunch of self-defeatists who can't move without the government saying so. Your freedom of speech? Gone under hate crime laws.

Bye, bye Britain

[Rakkestadgirl]

You have serious issues with your personality. Is your best approach for argument is a bizarro bitch-slap? Other than feeling shallow and rude, what's your reason for being?

[thomaserossi]

Another Postmodern self-defeatist being an armchair philosopher on YouTube. What a suprise! My reason is to bitch slap Libtards like you. Your reason is to die in a multi-culti malaise.

I'm shallow but your country is being destroyed by Muslims.

I'm rude but your country is being destroyed by Muslims.

Say what ever you want but you'll lose you country. You're goners. You don't stand a chance because losers like you are always on the wrong side of the argument. Hope you get gangraped.

[angelevelyndoyle]

@thomaserossi ... What does this have to do with the VIDEO

[USAPatriot1966]

Well BHO has some sort of plan. He will divide us and then unite us. In turn be given a savior complex and the masses will flock. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

[20opp00]

One of my favorite quotes: "The purpose of education is to fill an empty mind, with an open mind."

[20opp00]

I am not a capitalist pig but I DO believe in free market principles because socialism is flawed in that it makes for across the board misery and does not economically sustain itself while the numbers grow in the dependent pool. This is what is happening NOW throughout Europe. THEY are shifting policies while some in the US think that what Europeans have is great because it sounds "fair." There are better ways than JUST Obama's way.

[20opp00]

There are other similar breakdowns with varying numbers. I am a numbers kinda guy and believe that good policy targets properly those who truly need help. The numbers obviously are fluid but the point is that the 45 million is not some stagnant reflection of a homogenous population!

[20opp00]

◦U.S. citizens;

◦with income below 300% of poverty;

◦not on or eligible for a taxpayer-subsidized health insurance program; and

◦not a childless adult between age 18 and 34.

[20opp00]

Of the remaining 15.6 million uninsured, 5 million are adults between ages 18 and 34 and without kids.

The remaining 10.6 million do not fit into any of the above categories, so they are:

[20opp00]

•Another 10.1 million do not fit into any of the above categories, and they have incomes more than 3X the poverty level. For a single person that means their income exceeded $30,600 in 2007, when the median income for a single male was $33,200 and for a female, $21,000. For a family of four, if your income was more than 3X the poverty level in 2007, you had $62,000 of income or more, and you were above the national median.

[20opp00]

Another 9.3 million are non-citizens. I cannot break that down into documented vs. undocumented citizens.

[20opp00]

Another 4.3 million are eligible for free or heavily subsidized government health insurance (again, either Medcaid or SCHIP), but have not yet signed up.  While these people are not pre-enrolled in a health insurance program and are therefore counted as uninsured, if they were to go to an emergency room (or a free clinic), they would be automatically enrolled in that program by the provider after receiving medical care.

[20opp00]

•Of that amount, 6.4 million are the Medicaid undercount. These are people who are on one of two government health insurance programs, Medicaid or S-CHIP, but mistakenly (intentionally or not) tell the Census taker that they are uninsured. There is disagreement about the size of the Medicaid undercount. This figure is based on a 2005 analysis from the Department of Health and Human Services.

[20opp00]

Minorities suffer the most in terms of having the greatest percentage. However, there are more poor white folks in America who are affected greatly as well. Most people do not realize that whites in greater numbers are on public assistence than minorities. One of America's dirtiest secrets.

[20opp00]

mtaa11 - I am in academia if you really want to know. I have been following this as a concerned citizen who wants to see a healthcare system that will service all Americans well by correctly righting what is wrong with it. Take the politics out of it.

[20opp00]

Be reasonable and research it yourself as to what constitutes this population.

[rocketsauced]

Again, I've researched it, wrote a thesis on it, it is not a myth.

[20opp00]

My firend, it is not a myth. Congressional Budget Office - nonpartisan numbers confirms this.

[20opp00]

OK - Michael Moore in his BS Sicko perpetuates a lie by eskewing the uninsured numbers. Just type the 45 million myth and you can get many hits how those numbers actually break down. Being uninsured does not mean that you can't afford to be. The site does not allow me to post the direct links.

[rocketsauced]

I never saw Sicko, but my own research led me to confirm that 47 million are without health care insurance, mostly minorities of course.

[mtaa11]

20opp00, that's the point the gov wants to lower healthcare cost. the private companies want to raise it.

You must work for a private health care company.

[20opp00]

rocketsauce - I like you so let me get the info about the 45 million myth. I'll be back soon on that for you..

[rocketsauced]

No, don't I won't be back. It is not a myth. I wrote wrote my thesis in undergrad on the uninsured, I was skeptical too, but I found out that it is true. Don't waste time.

[20opp00]

mtaa11 - making money is fine in America. It serves for the quality of care that we have that others around the world flock to obtain. Again, Dems, and to be fair, Republicans too, have blocked measures to allow for interstate competition. It appears that Rebublicans are opening up to this idea given that they have to regain the public trust on holding big business accountable in the healthcare industry. If Dems are smart, they would coopt the idea, but the far left want a socialist utopia.

[mtaa11]

20opp00, Oh yeah and if Wellpoint lowered their prices say about $1 billion all of those 8 to 12 million would be covered. But actually i think more like 45 are unisured.

[20opp00]

By the way, we DO NOT have 45 million uninsured. There are 8 to 12 million, depending on whose figures, who seriously cannot afford health insurance. That is about 4% of our total population. Why destroy the lot when you can create other targeted measures to address this specific concern? It would be cheaper to give them money to purchase their own insurance than the trillions wasted in Obama's plan!

[rocketsauced]

Wrong, it's 47 million, and that's very real. Are you talking about the uninsured in Puerto Rico? Your figures are so off its not even funny.

[mtaa11]

20opp00: Some of the top helath care companies income after taxes in 2008.

Wellpoint $2.49 Billion

Humana $647 million

Aetna $1.384 Billion

Yeah they have alot of room to lower their prices.

[20opp00]

This bash the rich class warfare is what many argue for Obamacare. Natural market forces drives costs down. Allow for purchasing insurance across state lines (breaks up monopolies), allow for portability, and clamp down on governmentcare waste and propose tort reform. Quite simple my freinds.

[20opp00]

Econmics 101 - better quality care costs more money. Your assumption is that I want to pay more. NO! Reduce costs by opening up competition. Obama pretends to be capitalist friendly with his public option nonsense. Many argue for Obamacare with the premise that everyone is satisfied with the current concerns.

[rocketsauced]

I don't argue for Obama. I argue for a system that covers everyone in America, with the ability to opt out, if you have the money. In my opinion the government can cover this. All it has to do is refocus the money. It does not need to spend more. We have the best hospitals, yet our insurance companies are terrible. Medicare/Medicaid do suck. They deprive providers of well earned profits; that must be reformed and it can at no additional cost.

[mtaa11]

20opp00: private companies will have to make some adjustments to compete like instaed of paying the CEO $12 to 15 million a year to about $2 million,... etc

[20opp00]

Sure let me respond since I added my points given I did not read your comment.

[rocketsauced]

Go....!

[mtaa11]

20opp00: So what. Why would you want to pay more for health care. So the gov offers better cheaper health care than the money hunger private companies and you still want to pay more You make no sense.

[20opp00]

In the end, the private-insurance market would be eviscerated, leaving millions of Americans with no choice but the government-run program. No choice. No competition.

[rocketsauced]

Oh man, you never responded to me. Instead you've become a troll. I read everything you wrote, but, seriously, a lot of crap. A lot of trollism and some truth, mostly trollish behavior.

[20opp00]

Plus, the government plan also could use its market power to impose much lower reimbursement rates on doctors and hospitals -- Medicare and Medicaid do that now, to the point where they often pay less than cost. Providers would be forced to recoup the income lost thanks to the "public option" by raising what they charge to private insurance -- driving up premiums and making private insurance even less competitive.

[20opp00]

Obama's answer to this problem is to set up a new government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers. But such a plan will ultimately result in less competition, not more.

A government-run plan would have an inherent advantage in the marketplace, because it ultimately would be subsidized by taxpayers. The government plan could keep its premiums artificially low or offer extra benefits, because it could turn to taxpayers to cover any shortfalls.

[20opp00]

There's nothing inherently wrong with one company earning a large market share, but the lack of significant competition helps contribute to higher insurance costs and poorer service. Moreover, this market concentration hasn't necessarily flowed from consumer preference in a free market, but results in good part from barriers to entry erected by state insurance regulation.

[20opp00]

The nation has some 1,300 insurance companies, but most consumers actually have far fewer choices. An American Medical Association survey found that in 299 of 313 largest metro areas, one insurer controls at least 30% of the market.

In New York, just two insurers, GHI and Empire Blue Cross, represent 47 percent of the market. In New Jersey, a single insurer, Horizon Blue Cross and Blue Shield, controls 43 percent of the market. And in Connecticut, Wellpoint holds an astounding 55 percent.

[mtaa11]

Just take away the 65 and over requirment for medicare( a single payer system),

Problem solved.

I don't see many retired old folks bitching about health care.

Also the military has excellent health care.

F the (all they care about is profit) health care companies. Atleast with the gov plan "the people" can vote on things" with private companies a couple over paid CEO's run everything and set the cost. Kind of like the oil companies.

F'ing Sheepeople republicans.

[20opp00]

Let me educate you.

[20opp00]

Preventive care is such a broad term. Sounds nice but it is a utopian assumption with very little cost effective measures. Europe saves money in health because it dicates the types of care one should receive.

[rocketsauced]

No, Europe dictates to a limited extent. Europe is not a country. I mentioned two specific examples: France and Chiropractic. I did not say Europe in general. I get the feeling your completely opposed to universal health care even if it comes at no additional cost.

[20opp00]

Every government run entity in health is a bust, yet you as a purported Republican (sure) believe that Obamacare makes sense.

[rocketsauced]

No response, again, wrong.

[20opp00]

Care to share your remarkable understanding how Obamacare makes any economic sense? Of course not.

[rocketsauced]

Well, if Obama is serious, and I don't think he is, he should reapportion the amount of money the government already pays to cover sick care to focus on preventative care. This is what France does: focus on preventative care. They have options which allow patients to see Chiropractors (who focus on preventative/maintenance care), etc. "Obamacare" is insufficient. It's not going to work. I only argue for proper reform. This is not.

[20opp00]

Wow, 23 and graduated from the London School of Economics? Let's see. You graduated from BC at 22 and then from the aforementioned in one year? Republicans are as much at fault for the mess we are in. Obama is exacerbating things by turning us into a soft socialist countries you find in Europe.

[rocketsauced]

No, 21 from BC, 22 from LSE. Europe was fine, democratic-socialist governments and all. Don't see us becoming socialist anytime soon. Democratic-socialist? Perhaps, that seems to be the current trend.

[20opp00]

In my opinion, it is the inexperienced young who are destroying the party, along with the far left . I now consider myself an independent. It is why recent polls have shifted away from Obama because the Dems think everyone who is opposed to Obama's views are some dumb, racist, right-wing nut. BIG MISTAKE.

[20opp00]

Your silence speaks volumes. Go play video games and talk to me when you get experience. I graduated magna cum laude from Amherst College and am a former Democrat who got tired of the kids arguing how socialism is so great choosing instead to make the frivolous points that you put forth.

[rocketsauced]

Oh man, now I have to respond. Good for you in graduating from Amherst, etc. I graduated from Boston College, summa, and London School of Economics with an MSc in the history of nationalism. I will go play my video games after I listen to my Metallica. I plan on playing Final Fantasy VII since your so interested. Young people destroying "the party?" I'm sure they are. Well I'm a young person and a registered Republican. Obviously I think for myself since I don't agree with you.

[20opp00]

Democrat talking points. Are you happy? I will continue to have typos and you still haven't refuted any of my arguments?

[rocketsauced]

I am not really interested in refuting your so-called arguments. They're so false and biased that they refute themselves. I'm also not interested in continuing this. Just remember this: confusing democratic with Democrat is a huge difference, it is not merely a typo, it's an expression of one's ignorance. I'm trying to watch Metallica videos, so I have no time for this.

[20opp00]

Here is an article where you can start. ObamaCare Kills Health Competition - Michael Tanner, New York Post

[20opp00]

Rocketsauce, I see you are only 22 years old. Peddling democratic talking points is foolish. Think for yourself.

[rocketsauced]

I'm not 22, I'm 23, thanks. Democratic talking points? You bet, I speak for the democratic process and democracy in general. I guess you don't support this. Seriously though, it's not "democratic talking points," it's "Democrat talking points." You set yourself up.

[20opp00]

Rocketsauce, give it your best shot. You offered no points. By the way, Bush was ridiculed as the joker a gizzilion times. Effigies and all. No uproar from the MSM, just applause.

[agreeonneon]

Reform? govt needs to back off from this universal health plan. Its horrible fascism. Right now there are tons of Obama posters being spread around whole cities of Obama as the Joker. They are all over youtube now. Some are crazy. Its for the obama joker poster contest.

[20opp00]

France does not have the best when Sarkozy himself came to the US for medical assistence! Europe spends less because they service less and have antiquated technology! There is no competition because the dems block interstate purchasing of health insurance and portability! The costs are also high because of lack of tort reform which dems oppose! Our costs are also high because doctors service medicaid and medicare dumping their loss of profits on the rest of us. Do the research.

[rocketsauced]

Generally I won't respond to stupid comments.  Seriously, read what you wrote again. I did do research and if I really wanted to I could easily pick apart your argument (if you can even call it that) sentence by sentence. Basically you're dead wrong; ideology is blinding you.

[phill90212]

Ha!! Reform Healthcare and anybody's dogbody is chiming in. Nobody EVER asks about the billions pissed away in Iraq and Afgahnistan which would more than help overhaul the healthcare system.

But of course not, much better that the senators and c-Men oppose it and take funds from their large companies who operate the system than change it.

Neither side is capable of dealing with this, it is all gasbaggery for the TV pundits and punters.

Ha...Healthcare reform----try ending wars.

[20opp00]

I needed glasses when young. I couldn't affird them. Does that makes it everyone elses fault and the government needs to force Peter to pay Mary? Not Christian based on voluntary giving - socialistic in nature. Learn the difference.

[steeldragonflames]

Hmmm...I agree with rocketsauced. He makes a much better point than you. I guess folks like you only approach important issues with ideology only. the facts get lost. liberals and conservatives ruin everything with the hell bent partisanshit.

[20opp00]

The problem with libs is this. The CBO - non-partisan staffed by democrats says it adds greater deficits. Obama and supporters strawman argument - anyone not on board with the plan "don't want to do anything." The point is this: everyone wants reform most do not want what is being proposed. GET IT! Phoney moralistic arguments!

[SirWilliamRayCyrus]

The sort of people behind videos like this one couldn't care less about the average American. They are greedy bastards who want to keep their pockets fat at the expense of their fellow citizens.

[Boomer1949]

To tell you the truth, I think everyone has moved on passed this "debate" and are reading the bill themselves to determine what's in it or how much it will cost by reading the CBO reports. The outrage at Town Halls has been brought under control and questions are being answered. Our deficit expanded a couple of million just today because people have no job.

[CastleSunshine]

if the US is 1 of the richest countrys then they should have free health care for poor people

[phineuss]

CastleSunshine: I needed braces when I was a kid and couldn't afford them. Where the fuck were you? Oh yeah, that's "countries". Your not poor....you're stupid.

[CastleSunshine]

its "countrys" in the UK and im poor not stupid

[dejahthoris]

True Castle, We are spending 17% of our GDP on healthcare. And it is going up. We cannot afford this to go on, we need reform. Moreover, we spend over $6000 per person per year, which is more than twice what' spent in France which has one of the best systems, yet we are 37th in HC below Chile and Morocco. HC CEO's makes 10 to 30 mil. per yr. That's why they are fighting a Public Option,. they do not want the competition. They can cut you off or deny you care, leaving you with only the the ER.

[theendofit]

i love the part when they tell us what the right way is and how the right way works..........yha and i'm willing to pay that small tax incres seans it will save pepoles lives

[rocketsauced]

Britain's health care system is ranked 18th in the world, the US is 37th. They also spend less per patient and have a longer life expectancy.

[spankinator3000]

Bullshit! That WHO report is over nine yrs old and deeply flawed.

[rocketsauced]

Doesn't matter that it's nine years old; it's not as if our health care system has changed. Flawed? Sounds like the current state of our health care system. Useless fact: from 2000-2005 the US spent an average of 14.55% of its GDP on health care. In contrast France (#1 in health care) spent an average 10.4% of its GDP on health care. France spends a smaller percentage of its wealth yet provides insurance for every citizen. Taking care of the needy isn't socialism; its a Christian principle

[Adv2k169]

amen to that sir.

[lewghost]

people really don't like taxes... they must not like death either...

[raider54DJ]

fucking obama...

[ekmnproductions]

"The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the world's largest business federation representing 3 million businesses of all sizes, sectors, and regions, as well as state and local chambers and industry associations. More than 96% of U.S. Chamber members are small businesses with 100 employees or fewer."

Yea, I'm sure they're looking out for the American Citizen.

[ncastronomer]

Speaking of unrelated points does not make an argument. Keep the pressure on for reform or there will be no reform. I had an uninsured friend die because he couldn't afford to have a consistent bruise looked at in time. I don't think the Chamber of Commerce was concerned with him.

[phineuss]

ncastronomer: yo dude you be righton i saw a sqworl runded over by some light skinded dude an yo snap dat ain't right..... talk about unrelated. Listen you loopey liberal bumblef.k, all you got is some asshole anecdote about somebody you know? Jeeesh....liberals are morons.

[phineuss]

By the way, what the hell is a consistent bruise? Did you mean "persistent"? MORON!