I have proof that it's the cockroach that created the Earth not God. This doesn't say this in the bible but I have a book that SAYS that the cockroach created the Earth. How is this proof that this is correct? Because this book would not SAY it to be so. Since this book SAYS the cockroach created the Earth it must be TRUE! LOL! I hope you don't think my joke was corny, just trying to make a point.
THIS IS THE GREATEST!!!! THE WORD REALITY IS NOT IN THE BIBLE! LOL! STOMACH TIGHT RIGHT NOW! WOW!!!! THIS IS GOING IN MY FAVORITES RIGHT NOW DUDE! THATS IT! HUMANITY OVER. WERE DONE.
that's what i was saying: "if you don't accept anything as given independent of testable evidence you won't get very far." so i totallyt agree. i'm not a solipsist.
anyway - nice to hear from you again. what a nice and strange time course our discussion took... enjoy summer!
i can only repeat myself: the notion that there is a reality independent and outside of your mind is no inductive reasoning built upon empirical foundations. and still it's an assumption every science builds on. another example of necessary a priori assumptions (and how they can become a problem) is euclidean geometry.
if you don't accept anything as given independent of testable evidence you won't get very far.
the same of course holds true for religious experiences. you can try to infer similarity of phenomenolocial experiences via similarity of their physiological similarities. but these comparisons have to be extremely crude because of the inherent interindividual differences of the physiological system. and (as in pain) it doesn't add anything to your prior knowledge of the phenomenological side of it.
comparing brain activation via fMRI is a very, very rough method to approximate the feelings of someone else - looking at their faces might be as or even more accurate. and it remains the same: the experience of someone else. of course i can try to validate the claim that somebody makes or made such and such experiences by looking at further hints (like looking at their faces, blood supply to brain regions, giving them questionnaire etc.). but it will not turn there experience into mine...
Mixing up these categories doesn't make an awful lot of sense. When a friend tells me what being pregnant feels like, or my wife tells me what her grandma was like, asking for evidence is misplaced. All the evidence I could ever find would be as indirect - the experinces of others.
It's completely fine to not blindly rely on this indirect kind of evidence. But telling the pregnant friend/remembering wife: "you need testable evidence for your claim!" won't impress them much either.
...The belief that a coherent world view could be restricted to falsifiable notions, the belief that empiricism could be self-sufficient.
I can't produce verifiable evidence of God's existence and I certainly can't produce a divine revelation. What I can do (if you want me to), is to pray for God to meet you in a way that suits you. I understand that this has to sound absolutely crazy in your ears. But it's all I have to offer in the context of your request.
I'm not sure if I made my point clear. What I was talking about is the oldest of epistemological problems: the rejection of solipsism itself isn't falsifiable - so if you'd very strictly reserve 'rational' to 'falsifiable' and wanted to be 'rational' you'd end up as a soilpsistic agnostic, as opposed to an empiricist. The very basis of empiricism is a notion that is not falsifiable itself. This doesn't disqualify empiricism - but it disqualifies naive empiricism: (tbc...)
....and therefore we cannot give reproducible, objective evidence of his being. But I believe that he chose to reveal himself to us again and again in human history and that he does so even today. The style of these revelations varies from the spectactular burning bush type signs to the very personal confrontation with truth and love about your life. That doesn't turn God into an objectively falsifiable hypotheses - but someone to wait for.
2 Concerns: - The notion that hypothesis should be falsifiable itself indicates an empiricist world view which in turn relies on notions that are not falsifiable: eg that there is such a thing as a reality that is outside and independent of your mind.
- If we couldn't know God at all, the hypothesis of his existence would indeed be meaningless. I believe that we can't make him the object of our experiments, a parameter we can control (...tbc...)
there might be a principle problem with the hypothesis - how will you ever now that something is truly indivisible and not just reflecting the current status of science? some questions are hard to answer empirically for logical limitations of the method. this is why absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence.
concerning god's reticence - it's annoying isn't it? but i guess there's no way of forcing him...
actually he was. you should have look at the details of his hypothesis - most of them are quite , well, interesting.
but my point was: the core idea of smallest undividable quantities of matter can't and couldn't be refutet just because we don't have evidence for or against it. the absence of evidence is need for research or a sign of our limited ability to gather evidence.
i absolutely agree. it is indeed meaningless to expect others to believe based solely on your experiences. that probably wouldn't work (for long) anyway. in order to believe they need to make their own ones.
concerning platypuses: i don't expect other's to believe me. if i'm unable to catch it, i have to hope for other's to make the same kind of experience.
concerning ratio: a lot of our knowledge and beliefs aren't truly falsifiable. for example the claim that there was a roman emporer named cesar or the claim i ate a sandwich last week, or, again, the claim you and i are conscious agents.
there was and is no rational justification for refuting democrit's atom theory. in the absence of evidence agnostic positions might be the closest to rational.
and believing in something because of personal experience isn't exactly irrational - even in the absence of empirically verifiable evidence. imagine living 1750 and encountering a platypus. or living 2010 and not being a remote controlled zombie (you might even believe other people are conscious agents).
I never claimed I had empirically verifiable evidence for the existence of god, or that there would be such a thing.
Still the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence. That's a gross overestimation of human knowledge. America didn't come into existence with Columbus.
ok, try the thought experiment of traveling back in time - to any point in the history of science you like. there will be an obvious lack of evidence for loads of things we know about today (the atom example again...). now try to imagine some future guy doing the same...
if what you suggest was true, it would be the end of science. the business of research is trying to find evidence we don't have yet. for or against hypotheses.
concerning the end of science: that exactly was my point.
apparently millenia can be needed. democrit proposed the idea of atoms thousands of years ago - we still don't know if there is such a thing as undividable smallest quantities of matter.
why should all things be tangible? to whom? our senses are limited and so are the devices to overcome these limitations. we're pushing boundaries, but we don't even know how far on our journey we are.
Science isnt a thing that can end. It is the tool we use to understand things.
The question was how mant centuries does it take to say something IS NOT there? the fact that everything is made from something is the reason for people theorizing about atoms in the first place.
Religious minds say god made it
All things ARE tangible whether we use a device or not is of no consequence in regards to the existence of said "things"
Make a device to show people god(s) and you will end atheism.
Amazing how insecure people are who read these comments, that they would give all of my comments a 'thumbs down' on such a regular basis. I know it's only a few of you, but it really shows that you are not willing to face any other opinion other than your own. It's funny, you probably are the same people who call Christians 'closed minded' and 'bigots'. Listen,
it's the TRUTH that will set you free, so GET REAL. BE HONEST.
Many gods exist. But only One is the Creator of all things both visible and invisible. This is the God of the Abraham, Issac and Jacob. This is Jesus, the Way the Truth and the Life. This is He who was and is and is to come.
I say YOU KNOW that God exists, but your sin is separating you from Him and also that He has made a way for you to come back to Him. Simple, childlike trust in what Jesus said He did for you. He died and rose, so you can live. I mean REALLY live. To KNOW God.
I know there is a Creator because I know Him. I know Him because I believed what He said and He did what He said He would do.........
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
So, I simply believed what He said and He did what He said He would do. I've known Him now for almost 30 years.
So your proof that there is no God is that you have no experience of Him. That isn't sound reasoning. Now, you don't have to believe me when I say I know Him, but that doesn't mean I don't.
You can, though! He promised! An He who promised is true and faithful!
my reasoning is that there is no logical evidence for him, all people can say is 'i know him' how can i have an experiance of something idont believe in
You have spoken truth. The Word of God declares that without faith it is impossible to please God, because you must first believe that God is before you will come to Him.
Belief is a CHOICE. A choice is a decision you make, correct? I personally said to God while alone in my room: "God, if you're my father, why don't I know you?" Then I said " Either you don't exist OR I am not one of your children". "
"Christians say I need to believe that Jesus died for my sins. OK, I will."
I simply replied to your first post. The pressure you feel is the conviction that the Spirit of God brings which reveals your need for Him. He will NEVER force you, indeed, He can't for God is love. So with that I bid you best wishes. May you recieve His free gift. Goodbye.
Why would and all powerful being need to be pleased by you?
But youre right most religion is a choice but usually only after endoctrination. At least there was a point that you recognized you didnt know the god of the bible. I wonder what made you think you know that being now.
God, the all-powerful being you speak of doesn't need to be pleased. WE need to be pleasing to Him, for to be other is to separate ourselves from Him, which would be to our demise only....because HE is the self-existent One and we are the reliant ones.
I didn't know that I didn't know God until after I met Him. Before that I sensed something missing, but didn't know what I was missing...now I do. It was that I was separated from God, but now I'm not.
just to be clear - I totally agree that there is no prove of god's existence. and wanting one very badly leeds to quite strange thoughts sometimes. but it also does vice versa.
'The absence of evidence IS evidence of absence' - sure? We had no evidence for a couple of interesting things until quite recently: atoms, for example. So they were inexistent?
Having evidence for something doesnt prove anything.
If the police find your prints at a crime scene the have "evidence" that you were there and could have committed the crime but thats not proof you where actually there nor you commited a crime
agree. but defined in a strict sense it makes no sense to deny 'evidence' in the case of god. the claims of witnesses for example. of course there is conflicting evidence (claims of the followers of different religions). And you could argue the evidence isn't convincing. But that is different from the 'absence' of evidence.
And btw: the atom example still applies. Europeans also had no evidence for the existence of the Americas, or think of heliobacter pylori, synapses, genes...
Just as I wrote to TLQ, there is no lack of evidence of God, only a lack of honest assessment of the facts.
People don't come to God because their deeds are evil and they don't want to be found guilty.
Atoms, molecules and the very fact that you exist is all the evidence you will ever need to KNOW that God exists. Be honest, YOU didn't make the universe, so why be arrogant enough to deny it has a maker?
Ever wonder why you don't know Him?
You can. It's really as simple as Jesus said. Believe.
So your only evidence of existence being created is that there is existence?
Its not arrogance to ask for proof when someone takes credit for doing something you didnt witness But in this situation its not a being claiming to have created everything its people telling other peole a being created everything
There are 0 natural paths to jesus Meaning without the words of men its IMPOSSIBLE for one to know your version of god
All you have is faith and belief truth and fact are not requisites
There is no lack of evidence for the existence of God, only a lack of willingness to be honest about that evidence.
The very fact that you exist is enough evidence to find you guilty in a court of law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You exist, therefore there is a Creator. Or on a larger scale, the Universe exists, therefore there is a Creator
The idea that 'stuff' has always existed is contrary to the law of thermodynamics and basic common sense
Bible prophecy fulfilled itself with mathematical precision 500 years after its writing. If you can come up with a rational explanation for that, let me know, cause I haven't found it.
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Foolisness.
You are blind and you rejoice in the darkness.
Jesus came to give you life and that more abundantly.
When the Creator of the Universe tells you that He came to give you life, you might want to consider that He knows something about you that you don't.
GrandClinny. You responded to one of my posts. It appears the post was removed for what reason i don't know (must of hit a nerve) and it was so long ago I don't even remember what I wrote. So, to answer your question: "but what if there is no creator of the universe?"
There is. It's not something that's really in question. You KNOW there is. You just refuse to admit it to Him. Kind of like a child does when they play hide n seek: ("You can't see me" as they cover their eyes with their hands.)
Your post was not removed, it was just thumed down so many times that it is not visible. Hit the reply button and you should see it. It is insufficient to reply to my question by simply saying "There is". How do you know there is a creator of the universe?
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God can speak to me and tell me my daughters name before we even know her sex. God can speak to me and tell me to pray for my next child who 'will be a boy and his name will be ____".
Just because God is invisible doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
Is He 'proveable' by scientific method? No.
Is the perponderance of evidence in favor of His existence? Yes.
Can you get your mind around Him? No, if you could He wouldn't be God, and if you could YOU would be God and He, just something you created.
Ok TheHonestTheist, give us an example such the "strawman's" and why don't you gives us a theist example of why your beliefs are anything but a "strawman:" what arguments do you have that are superiour? Cuz all I see are completely inferior, racists, and bigoted remarks, look at the posts from your religious peers and tell me that is okay.
dissappointed and dumfounded, I rather that bhuddism was real actually personally, but really how would anyone ever know rgey picked the right religion or not...u can't so how bout try not being in any of em
Reverse that question and ask yourself..."how would YOU feel if you found out God was NOT real"...its only fair to ask yourself that question if u feel compelled to do the opposite.
now ask yourself "If I feel dread and extreme anxiety at the thought of god not existing, then is it possible that my interpretation of facts will be heavily biased so as to keep myself believing in god?"
The main difference between atheists and theists is that atheists don't mind living in a world with or without god so we can decide based on evidence. Theists feel like life is meaningless without god so they automatically choose to believe in god without any evidence.
What's funny about that, valholla, is when you ask MOST of them (that's right, in generalizing, I dare you to prove me wrong) that if god isn't real...they always get a look in their eye like "wtf you talkin 'bout willis?"
It never even occurs to them, and if it does, the thought is so unpleasant they immediatly dismiss it. That is close-minded shit right there.
hi infidelguy LOVE your work. user nottooobvious is using the n-word on your channel. if you see "comment removed" it's cuz she removed it then you know its true. she actually uses the n word. i can't even type it. just block her she's a troll.
Why do christians always try and prove that god exists through the bible. If atheists don't believe in the bible then why use that as a source to prove their point?
Yeah, that has to be staged. For one thing his accent is a bit forced. I was born in Texas but moved to California about seven years ago, so I am fairly accustomed to hick accents. Not to mention the hick didn't eventually explode in rage, like most crazy Christies normally do.
Well for one what makes you think this guy is from Texas. He might as well be from Alabama or Louisiana. Also, even if he was from Texas; I'm pretty sure they have multiple different Texas accents.
New York City has multiple different accents depending on which one of the five borrow you're in. So if a small Island can have different accents, I'm sure the biggest state in the U.S will have a large variety of accents.
Texas is of such a size that we have quite a lot of accents, often a reflection of the population demographics of the area.
This particular guy however, has an accent I've never heard in Texas, but I HAVE heard it in Arkansas, so he's probably originally from out of state and moved here.
This sort of sounds staged to me, but if it's not, it's amazing.
HAH! Katalyzt, I assure you, theist CAN be that stupid :D. Come to SLC, Utah and look at how they pathetically try to impliment religion into state, the churhces here are trying to buy up the downtown area so you can't smoke publically or insult the mormon church lol.
I just did what bubba did...
Bubba can't even use the website, or it's a crap website...
biblegateway says it's in Colossians 2:17
There seems to be reality in the bible, but to quote Jamie Hyneman: "I reject your reality and substitute it with my own" 8-)
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8Gerrardinho 11 months ago
I have proof that it's the cockroach that created the Earth not God. This doesn't say this in the bible but I have a book that SAYS that the cockroach created the Earth. How is this proof that this is correct? Because this book would not SAY it to be so. Since this book SAYS the cockroach created the Earth it must be TRUE! LOL! I hope you don't think my joke was corny, just trying to make a point.
bandet888 11 months ago
That was really funny!!! LOL
israelsprince 1 year ago
THIS IS THE GREATEST!!!! THE WORD REALITY IS NOT IN THE BIBLE! LOL! STOMACH TIGHT RIGHT NOW! WOW!!!! THIS IS GOING IN MY FAVORITES RIGHT NOW DUDE! THATS IT! HUMANITY OVER. WERE DONE.
MrHead1972 1 year ago
Circular logic is religion's best friend lol.
supersmash43 1 year ago
that was perty funny
sambricky 1 year ago
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that's what i was saying: "if you don't accept anything as given independent of testable evidence you won't get very far." so i totallyt agree. i'm not a solipsist.
anyway - nice to hear from you again. what a nice and strange time course our discussion took... enjoy summer!
sfz82 1 year ago
google Doe's Account.
Yellowwatts 1 year ago
i can only repeat myself: the notion that there is a reality independent and outside of your mind is no inductive reasoning built upon empirical foundations. and still it's an assumption every science builds on. another example of necessary a priori assumptions (and how they can become a problem) is euclidean geometry.
if you don't accept anything as given independent of testable evidence you won't get very far.
sfz82 1 year ago
the same of course holds true for religious experiences. you can try to infer similarity of phenomenolocial experiences via similarity of their physiological similarities. but these comparisons have to be extremely crude because of the inherent interindividual differences of the physiological system. and (as in pain) it doesn't add anything to your prior knowledge of the phenomenological side of it.
...
sfz82 1 year ago
...and it does not tell me if the reason they give for their experience is the one they claim it to be.
anyway: do you really think that my point about different kinds of rational beliefs is wrong?
sfz82 1 year ago
comparing brain activation via fMRI is a very, very rough method to approximate the feelings of someone else - looking at their faces might be as or even more accurate. and it remains the same: the experience of someone else. of course i can try to validate the claim that somebody makes or made such and such experiences by looking at further hints (like looking at their faces, blood supply to brain regions, giving them questionnaire etc.). but it will not turn there experience into mine...
sfz82 1 year ago
Mixing up these categories doesn't make an awful lot of sense. When a friend tells me what being pregnant feels like, or my wife tells me what her grandma was like, asking for evidence is misplaced. All the evidence I could ever find would be as indirect - the experinces of others.
It's completely fine to not blindly rely on this indirect kind of evidence. But telling the pregnant friend/remembering wife: "you need testable evidence for your claim!" won't impress them much either.
sfz82 1 year ago
what about the claim that there are things existing outside of your mind?
i think what we call 'rational' beliefs include claims that we
(i) haven't any evidence for (like the above one),
(ii) have experience-rooted evidence for that we can't control or present to others (e.g. certain memories),
(iii) have (at least potentially) reproducable evidence for.
sfz82 1 year ago
...The belief that a coherent world view could be restricted to falsifiable notions, the belief that empiricism could be self-sufficient.
I can't produce verifiable evidence of God's existence and I certainly can't produce a divine revelation. What I can do (if you want me to), is to pray for God to meet you in a way that suits you. I understand that this has to sound absolutely crazy in your ears. But it's all I have to offer in the context of your request.
sfz82 1 year ago
I'm not sure if I made my point clear. What I was talking about is the oldest of epistemological problems: the rejection of solipsism itself isn't falsifiable - so if you'd very strictly reserve 'rational' to 'falsifiable' and wanted to be 'rational' you'd end up as a soilpsistic agnostic, as opposed to an empiricist. The very basis of empiricism is a notion that is not falsifiable itself. This doesn't disqualify empiricism - but it disqualifies naive empiricism: (tbc...)
sfz82 1 year ago
....and therefore we cannot give reproducible, objective evidence of his being. But I believe that he chose to reveal himself to us again and again in human history and that he does so even today. The style of these revelations varies from the spectactular burning bush type signs to the very personal confrontation with truth and love about your life. That doesn't turn God into an objectively falsifiable hypotheses - but someone to wait for.
sfz82 2 years ago
2 Concerns: - The notion that hypothesis should be falsifiable itself indicates an empiricist world view which in turn relies on notions that are not falsifiable: eg that there is such a thing as a reality that is outside and independent of your mind.
- If we couldn't know God at all, the hypothesis of his existence would indeed be meaningless. I believe that we can't make him the object of our experiments, a parameter we can control (...tbc...)
sfz82 2 years ago
there might be a principle problem with the hypothesis - how will you ever now that something is truly indivisible and not just reflecting the current status of science? some questions are hard to answer empirically for logical limitations of the method. this is why absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence.
concerning god's reticence - it's annoying isn't it? but i guess there's no way of forcing him...
sfz82 2 years ago
see above and - well you shouldn't assume the existence of god was the case until you come across some kind of evidence. who expects you to?
sfz82 2 years ago
actually he was. you should have look at the details of his hypothesis - most of them are quite , well, interesting.
but my point was: the core idea of smallest undividable quantities of matter can't and couldn't be refutet just because we don't have evidence for or against it. the absence of evidence is need for research or a sign of our limited ability to gather evidence.
sfz82 2 years ago
that's what i meant
sfz82 2 years ago
platypuses are hard to catch...
sfz82 2 years ago
i absolutely agree. it is indeed meaningless to expect others to believe based solely on your experiences. that probably wouldn't work (for long) anyway. in order to believe they need to make their own ones.
sfz82 2 years ago
concerning platypuses: i don't expect other's to believe me. if i'm unable to catch it, i have to hope for other's to make the same kind of experience.
concerning ratio: a lot of our knowledge and beliefs aren't truly falsifiable. for example the claim that there was a roman emporer named cesar or the claim i ate a sandwich last week, or, again, the claim you and i are conscious agents.
sfz82 2 years ago
there was and is no rational justification for refuting democrit's atom theory. in the absence of evidence agnostic positions might be the closest to rational.
and believing in something because of personal experience isn't exactly irrational - even in the absence of empirically verifiable evidence. imagine living 1750 and encountering a platypus. or living 2010 and not being a remote controlled zombie (you might even believe other people are conscious agents).
sfz82 2 years ago
I never claimed I had empirically verifiable evidence for the existence of god, or that there would be such a thing.
Still the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence. That's a gross overestimation of human knowledge. America didn't come into existence with Columbus.
sfz82 2 years ago
Actually absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
It may not prove absence entirely but its most certainly evidence.
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
ok, try the thought experiment of traveling back in time - to any point in the history of science you like. there will be an obvious lack of evidence for loads of things we know about today (the atom example again...). now try to imagine some future guy doing the same...
if what you suggest was true, it would be the end of science. the business of research is trying to find evidence we don't have yet. for or against hypotheses.
sfz82 2 years ago
The only way to end science is for everyone to know everything.
Science isnt "endable"
I dont see your point
how many centuries of research is necessary to say something isnt there?
How many ways can you look and not find something before you can say its not there?
All things tangible things leave some degree of evidence of their existence.
The way theists explain away their gods lack of physical essence is to embue it with abilities not seen nor demonstrated by any being in existence
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
concerning the end of science: that exactly was my point.
apparently millenia can be needed. democrit proposed the idea of atoms thousands of years ago - we still don't know if there is such a thing as undividable smallest quantities of matter.
why should all things be tangible? to whom? our senses are limited and so are the devices to overcome these limitations. we're pushing boundaries, but we don't even know how far on our journey we are.
sfz82 2 years ago
Science isnt a thing that can end. It is the tool we use to understand things.
The question was how mant centuries does it take to say something IS NOT there? the fact that everything is made from something is the reason for people theorizing about atoms in the first place.
Religious minds say god made it
All things ARE tangible whether we use a device or not is of no consequence in regards to the existence of said "things"
Make a device to show people god(s) and you will end atheism.
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
Amazing how insecure people are who read these comments, that they would give all of my comments a 'thumbs down' on such a regular basis. I know it's only a few of you, but it really shows that you are not willing to face any other opinion other than your own. It's funny, you probably are the same people who call Christians 'closed minded' and 'bigots'. Listen,
it's the TRUTH that will set you free, so GET REAL. BE HONEST.
Admit that you do not know God.
Then you will be free to meet Him.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
Many gods exist. But only One is the Creator of all things both visible and invisible. This is the God of the Abraham, Issac and Jacob. This is Jesus, the Way the Truth and the Life. This is He who was and is and is to come.
I say YOU KNOW that God exists, but your sin is separating you from Him and also that He has made a way for you to come back to Him. Simple, childlike trust in what Jesus said He did for you. He died and rose, so you can live. I mean REALLY live. To KNOW God.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
Grand,
I know there is a Creator because I know Him. I know Him because I believed what He said and He did what He said He would do.........
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
So, I simply believed what He said and He did what He said He would do. I've known Him now for almost 30 years.
You can too. Just believe Him.
Take care!
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
hahahahahahahahahahaha, ive known he isnt real my whole life, just wake up. and im right cos i just know it :)
ArchieIsted 2 years ago
So your proof that there is no God is that you have no experience of Him. That isn't sound reasoning. Now, you don't have to believe me when I say I know Him, but that doesn't mean I don't.
You can, though! He promised! An He who promised is true and faithful!
Blessings to you!
Jesus is really who He said He was.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
my reasoning is that there is no logical evidence for him, all people can say is 'i know him' how can i have an experiance of something idont believe in
ArchieIsted 2 years ago
You have spoken truth. The Word of God declares that without faith it is impossible to please God, because you must first believe that God is before you will come to Him.
Belief is a CHOICE. A choice is a decision you make, correct? I personally said to God while alone in my room: "God, if you're my father, why don't I know you?" Then I said " Either you don't exist OR I am not one of your children". "
"Christians say I need to believe that Jesus died for my sins. OK, I will."
Choice I made.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
then do not force your views on me
ArchieIsted 2 years ago
I simply replied to your first post. The pressure you feel is the conviction that the Spirit of God brings which reveals your need for Him. He will NEVER force you, indeed, He can't for God is love. So with that I bid you best wishes. May you recieve His free gift. Goodbye.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
my god you people make me laugh :L
ArchieIsted 2 years ago
Why would and all powerful being need to be pleased by you?
But youre right most religion is a choice but usually only after endoctrination. At least there was a point that you recognized you didnt know the god of the bible. I wonder what made you think you know that being now.
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
God, the all-powerful being you speak of doesn't need to be pleased. WE need to be pleasing to Him, for to be other is to separate ourselves from Him, which would be to our demise only....because HE is the self-existent One and we are the reliant ones.
I didn't know that I didn't know God until after I met Him. Before that I sensed something missing, but didn't know what I was missing...now I do. It was that I was separated from God, but now I'm not.
You don't understand this, yet, but you can.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
The absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
And it is beyond sound reasoning not to promote belief in something that cant prove its a thing on a mass scale.
Your personal experiences are meaningless to somone else if you cant share them and have that person recognize them of their own volition.
There are people who say they were anally probed by aliens should I give credence to their claims as well?
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
just to be clear - I totally agree that there is no prove of god's existence. and wanting one very badly leeds to quite strange thoughts sometimes. but it also does vice versa.
'The absence of evidence IS evidence of absence' - sure? We had no evidence for a couple of interesting things until quite recently: atoms, for example. So they were inexistent?
sfz82 2 years ago
Having evidence for something doesnt prove anything.
If the police find your prints at a crime scene the have "evidence" that you were there and could have committed the crime but thats not proof you where actually there nor you commited a crime
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
agree. but defined in a strict sense it makes no sense to deny 'evidence' in the case of god. the claims of witnesses for example. of course there is conflicting evidence (claims of the followers of different religions). And you could argue the evidence isn't convincing. But that is different from the 'absence' of evidence.
And btw: the atom example still applies. Europeans also had no evidence for the existence of the Americas, or think of heliobacter pylori, synapses, genes...
sfz82 2 years ago
Just as I wrote to TLQ, there is no lack of evidence of God, only a lack of honest assessment of the facts.
People don't come to God because their deeds are evil and they don't want to be found guilty.
Atoms, molecules and the very fact that you exist is all the evidence you will ever need to KNOW that God exists. Be honest, YOU didn't make the universe, so why be arrogant enough to deny it has a maker?
Ever wonder why you don't know Him?
You can. It's really as simple as Jesus said. Believe.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
hebrews 11.
ephesians 2.
sfz82 2 years ago
Amen and Amen.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
So your only evidence of existence being created is that there is existence?
Its not arrogance to ask for proof when someone takes credit for doing something you didnt witness But in this situation its not a being claiming to have created everything its people telling other peole a being created everything
There are 0 natural paths to jesus Meaning without the words of men its IMPOSSIBLE for one to know your version of god
All you have is faith and belief truth and fact are not requisites
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
There is no lack of evidence for the existence of God, only a lack of willingness to be honest about that evidence.
The very fact that you exist is enough evidence to find you guilty in a court of law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. You exist, therefore there is a Creator. Or on a larger scale, the Universe exists, therefore there is a Creator
The idea that 'stuff' has always existed is contrary to the law of thermodynamics and basic common sense
"Stuff" is impersonal. YOU are a person.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
Youre right. "There is no LACK of evidence".
There NO evidence at all.
Its not a case of me being honest its the opposite. My honesty is why I view thw world as is
My existence is not enough to get me convicted of a crime I didnt commit
I'll admit that existence is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum
But that in no way shape or form means something engineered it to be
Making that leap is pure conjecture and flawed reasoning
What law of thermodynamics are you refering to in particular?
TheLoadedQuestion 2 years ago
LMAO! Hilarious.
Griefscar 2 years ago
Bubba: "There is no reality in the Bible."
IG: "Mhmm, thanks for clearing that up for us, Bubba."
LMAO!! XD
gmn545 2 years ago
Bible prophecy fulfilled itself with mathematical precision 500 years after its writing. If you can come up with a rational explanation for that, let me know, cause I haven't found it.
SemperServiam 2 years ago
Can you elaborate and explain what this mathematical precision is?
GrandClinny 2 years ago
whats the website. We all noticed that you hid it. It HASNT gone unoticed.
ILOVEYOURWAY1 2 years ago
Jesus said: If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink.
markch9v23 2 years ago
Great, I'll have a large Mountain Dew with no ice thanks.
GrandClinny 2 years ago 2
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Foolisness.
You are blind and you rejoice in the darkness.
Jesus came to give you life and that more abundantly.
When the Creator of the Universe tells you that He came to give you life, you might want to consider that He knows something about you that you don't.
You are dead, you just don't know it yet.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
But what if there is no creator of the universe?
GrandClinny 2 years ago
GrandClinny. You responded to one of my posts. It appears the post was removed for what reason i don't know (must of hit a nerve) and it was so long ago I don't even remember what I wrote. So, to answer your question: "but what if there is no creator of the universe?"
There is. It's not something that's really in question. You KNOW there is. You just refuse to admit it to Him. Kind of like a child does when they play hide n seek: ("You can't see me" as they cover their eyes with their hands.)
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
Your post was not removed, it was just thumed down so many times that it is not visible. Hit the reply button and you should see it. It is insufficient to reply to my question by simply saying "There is". How do you know there is a creator of the universe?
GrandClinny 2 years ago
what created god then?
ArchieIsted 2 years ago
Good question. You tell me and we'll both know.
ornitorrinco01 2 years ago
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BTW, the leaves blowing prove there is wind, correct?
Creation itself is all the evidence you will ever need that God exists.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
No it could be a leaf blower, or a hovering italian pasta moving it...
turoturothegreat 2 years ago 2
The fact that you exist is the evidence that you will be held accountable for on the day of judgment.
Now I know you don't believe God exists, but that simply doesn't make it true.
I used to not know God like you. But now I know Him and it is my desire that you would come to know Him too.
Jesus said that if you believe Him, you would know Him.
I tried it out and found out He wasn't lying.
I know it's a drag that you cant see Him, I always wondered about that. Does that mean He isnt real?
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
Yes.
badism 2 years ago
OK.
Neither is thought, wind or your mama (I haven't seen her anyway.)
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
I can write down and speak my thoughts. I can explain wind with science. I can introduce you to my "mama".
badism 2 years ago
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God can speak to me and tell me my daughters name before we even know her sex. God can speak to me and tell me to pray for my next child who 'will be a boy and his name will be ____".
Just because God is invisible doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
Is He 'proveable' by scientific method? No.
Is the perponderance of evidence in favor of His existence? Yes.
Can you get your mind around Him? No, if you could He wouldn't be God, and if you could YOU would be God and He, just something you created.
DontTreadOnMe1959 2 years ago
God was created, just not by me. My stories would have have had more sex and less genocide in them.
badism 2 years ago
Can atheists make anything but strawman's? Just wondering, as that's all I ever see from them.
TheHonestTheist 2 years ago
Ok TheHonestTheist, give us an example such the "strawman's" and why don't you gives us a theist example of why your beliefs are anything but a "strawman:" what arguments do you have that are superiour? Cuz all I see are completely inferior, racists, and bigoted remarks, look at the posts from your religious peers and tell me that is okay.
hoboboxerjoe 2 years ago
ROFLMAO!
Omigod. I love Infidel Guy. Omigod.
*proceeds to link this video EVERYWHERE*
SuperKhaiaa 2 years ago
OMFG!!!!! LOL that is fucking funny
Isuckatpaintball2 2 years ago
Is this for real, or just a little spoof?
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NotTooObvious 2 years ago 2
You sure you didn't stage that! LMAOO!!!! PLEASE tell me that you staged this!
garybooker 2 years ago
i hope the caller is an actor (for the caller's sake)
zeus bless him
THEREIZNOGOD 2 years ago
If you were to find out that Jesus, God and Christianity was Real, how would you Feel?
MarkJWilliams1 2 years ago
Obviously he wouldn't feel any different than he does now.
apocalypseap 2 years ago
dissappointed and dumfounded, I rather that bhuddism was real actually personally, but really how would anyone ever know rgey picked the right religion or not...u can't so how bout try not being in any of em
Frizzail420 2 years ago
Reverse that question and ask yourself..."how would YOU feel if you found out God was NOT real"...its only fair to ask yourself that question if u feel compelled to do the opposite.
Valholla03 2 years ago 4
now ask yourself "If I feel dread and extreme anxiety at the thought of god not existing, then is it possible that my interpretation of facts will be heavily biased so as to keep myself believing in god?"
The main difference between atheists and theists is that atheists don't mind living in a world with or without god so we can decide based on evidence. Theists feel like life is meaningless without god so they automatically choose to believe in god without any evidence.
pokermaster54 2 years ago 4
What's funny about that, valholla, is when you ask MOST of them (that's right, in generalizing, I dare you to prove me wrong) that if god isn't real...they always get a look in their eye like "wtf you talkin 'bout willis?"
It never even occurs to them, and if it does, the thought is so unpleasant they immediatly dismiss it. That is close-minded shit right there.
hoboboxerjoe 2 years ago
When you first said, look up reality, I knew what you were getting at XD
Sadly the caller didn't.
TheReasonWhyGuy 2 years ago
lmao - very good
xdcmagicker 2 years ago
the man was using a circular argument
BreadWinner06 2 years ago
HAHAHAA! I laughed so hard, i didnt see that catch phrase commin :D
C0ldking 2 years ago
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Go to my channel to see why I believe the Bible.
ofreshartist 2 years ago
wow this guy is embarassing to christianity,i could have predicted what infidel was getting at,infidel is a lil witty.lol
thekidsog 2 years ago
The Bible isn't worth the paper its written on. Stop cutting down trees, and printing bullshit.
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@nottoo oh look at you. flirting with more coloured men.
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hi infidelguy LOVE your work. user nottooobvious is using the n-word on your channel. if you see "comment removed" it's cuz she removed it then you know its true. she actually uses the n word. i can't even type it. just block her she's a troll.
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NotTooObvious 2 years ago
stop trolling YT!
hillarydemforever999 2 years ago
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hillarydemforever999 = nottooobvious
how many spam accounts do you have.
sorry infidelguy. this troll has spammed your vids. just block it. thanks
stillrubsthelotion 2 years ago
lol i am not nto nto is a female i am a male
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NotTooObvious 2 years ago
And the Iliad tells us that Zeus and Athena are real.
seathanaich 2 years ago
Why do christians always try and prove that god exists through the bible. If atheists don't believe in the bible then why use that as a source to prove their point?
blckhe4rt 2 years ago
Lol I know right
3rdeyewildopen 2 years ago
is this a joke or a real call???
hereticjoeyjoey 2 years ago
Nice!!!!
g206029 2 years ago
nice underhanded toss. sweet actions!
celldwellerhell 2 years ago
IG you are a genious and I love your show! Hope it blows up soon!
Valholla03 2 years ago
well there you go...if it's not in the bible it must be true too...
five stars to you!
mynameisbobtoo 2 years ago
LMAO!
winstonsmith00 2 years ago
I am a born again christian, and enjoy your shows, even though you work for the enemy.. This video however, is hilarious lol!
shinesthrudarain 2 years ago
well played sir, well played
dizzle42008 2 years ago
Funny stuff :D
Deathinmusic 2 years ago
LMFAO!!!!!!
good one IG.
YogzDaBeatChild 2 years ago
Lolz
Highdracco 2 years ago
Pretty slick, Infidelguy.
pirbird14 2 years ago
bitch you got trolled
donotfeedthetroll 2 years ago
LOL!!!!!!
MysteryManoLove 2 years ago
If this guy is for real, then he is too stupid to wipe his own ass.... It seems fake though.
tempemonkey2323 2 years ago 2
I would like it very much if this clip was genuine, but I don't know.... It seems staged.
Textbook stereotypic stuff :)
But if it's genuine... GOOD JOB
muckerfooker 2 years ago
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lol, funny stuff
NubianTribesman 2 years ago
I don't know, am I a victim of Poe's Law.
10secstomeltdown 2 years ago
Well done :D
Wulfshade 2 years ago
lol
m60yaface 2 years ago
ouch!
10^6 LOLS!
Paxmax 2 years ago
Yay!
mooniemoney 2 years ago
ahahahahahahaha
AmirReborn 2 years ago
Lulz.
scarmulletpart2 2 years ago
rotfl
superfisto 2 years ago
That was great
acftmech777 2 years ago
lol....hilarious,,,,,
Immy1993 2 years ago
please tell me this isnt real
samus1225 2 years ago
oOh Ya, ill be usin it!
TABOOVSKNOWLEDGE 2 years ago
PWNT SO HARD!
TheMeeble 2 years ago
That, unfortunately, was one of the Better Theist arguements of God.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago 2
LMAO
jray8 2 years ago 3
Haha wow, that was awesome.
p2umpkin 2 years ago 2
hehehehe. love the country accent :D
LogicalSanity 2 years ago
Awesome. No reality in the bible.
Chuloloc 2 years ago
hehe
ec2like 2 years ago
Priceless ! ^__^
itsbizbuz 2 years ago
LOL
Do more!!!
legion696 2 years ago
LOL
KT45 2 years ago
definitely a satirist, or if not a lil' joke setup by infidel guy :3
IzzyBunneh 2 years ago
John 8:36 (Youngs Literal Translation)
=P
sheepwshotguns 2 years ago
LMFAO. Brilliant!
TheFifthApes 2 years ago
lmao!!! *****
1deanwdaniel 2 years ago
"There is no reality in the bible!" Heh
thegodlessadam 2 years ago
Short, concise, but terse. I like it!
Domzdream 2 years ago
I don't mind if it's staged or not.
Reality is in fact not in the bible.
He he, we knew that, but there it is confirmed. :)
BelieveNoGod 2 years ago 3
Classic.
9thgate 2 years ago
Yeah, that has to be staged. For one thing his accent is a bit forced. I was born in Texas but moved to California about seven years ago, so I am fairly accustomed to hick accents. Not to mention the hick didn't eventually explode in rage, like most crazy Christies normally do.
JanisChambers 2 years ago
I disagree with the accent, but you're damn right about the lack if christian rage!
Remagoen 2 years ago
Well for one what makes you think this guy is from Texas. He might as well be from Alabama or Louisiana. Also, even if he was from Texas; I'm pretty sure they have multiple different Texas accents.
New York City has multiple different accents depending on which one of the five borrow you're in. So if a small Island can have different accents, I'm sure the biggest state in the U.S will have a large variety of accents.
phreecfrancis 2 years ago
Texas is of such a size that we have quite a lot of accents, often a reflection of the population demographics of the area.
This particular guy however, has an accent I've never heard in Texas, but I HAVE heard it in Arkansas, so he's probably originally from out of state and moved here.
This sort of sounds staged to me, but if it's not, it's amazing.
LordOmberus 2 years ago
lol at the evidence.
rayruiz12345 2 years ago
LOL The bible says it's true because it says so.... People who think this way are frustrating to talk to.
ScaperSteph 2 years ago 8
christian got told
eric712 2 years ago 2
biblegateway
search for reality ...
Colossians 2:17
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Oh well.
farvision 2 years ago
Not the King James Version, which is the only TRUE BIble...
SeenAndNotSeen 2 years ago 2
Ah, you are right, in King James one finds " No results found for "reality" in Keyword Search."
farvision 2 years ago 3
OMG ROFLMFAO! EPIC. im subscribing just cuz of this vid
toloverufan2 2 years ago 2
ACE
muteza 2 years ago
Hahahahahahahahaha!!! That was staged right? I mean no theist can be that stupid(right).
Katalyzt
Katalyzt 2 years ago 2
HAH! Katalyzt, I assure you, theist CAN be that stupid :D. Come to SLC, Utah and look at how they pathetically try to impliment religion into state, the churhces here are trying to buy up the downtown area so you can't smoke publically or insult the mormon church lol.
hoboboxerjoe 2 years ago 2