Oh pro lifers you aren't making me feel worse about my choice, you are making me feel better about what was a hard choice before, I can't wait to get it done, its the first time I can come face to face with you pro life assholes, and I can give you a piece of my mind, actually got 5 big miners who know and support my choice think Ill take um with me to stomp mud holes in anyone trying to impede my choice. I never thought I would be here, I have long been pro choice, but now I am rabid about it.
I love what you are doing, I wish I lived close enough to a clinic to help them. I am in these womans shoes right now, unplanned and totally unwanted pregnancy at 36, with serious health risks to me and complications, I know these idiots don't care that it might kill me, they will harass me anyways.This makes me very angry, I am on the verge of moving just to counter these assholes
@wanttoseemysnake UM DUDE I get put on bed rest because of serious chance of fucking hemorrhaging, and second of all as the soul support for my kids, how in the fuck do you assume I can be on bed rest for 5 months? So starve my kids, lose my home, maybe, carry to term and not have it die shortly after birth like my son did?
@vampyres32 Fist I have had a partial placental abruption, hemorrhaged and continued to have a healthy pregnancy after instead of killing it.Secondly you should keep your legs closed unless your protected as you know how babies are made. Sorry but I have no tears for a baby killer because she feels she is a victim... CLOSE YOUR LEGS!
@wanttoseemysnake 10 years 5 months on the same UNFAILED birth control, and i am not asking for your pity,and I give a damn less about your family fucking diaf bitch
@wanttoseemysnake I am done arguing with you you misogynistic PUKE, you have shown more concern for punishing woman for having sex, then actual concern for families, How about you actually do something useful
@wanttoseemysnake Selfish because I chose to not have the state raise my kids, funny my kids support my right and they support my choice, and so does my boyfriend so honey I give a damn what you think, you make me want to exercise my right, Oh and fyi as the mother of 4 daughters I would take them to exercise their right, actually I would take anyone's child to exercise their right, Its funny you right to lifers just make me want to abort more fetuses kidding to expensive but really god.
@vampyres32 Your just messed up, most likely on crack cus with abortion there is less crack babies! Kill you unborn child, I hope it haunts you for the rest or your life because it does for many who abort( that's something the pro choicer's fail to mention PTSS).
Would you have the guts to face the many children saved from an abortion by 40 Days For Live over the years and tell them how much better off they would be if their parents had never been "harassed" - no thanks to you. Explain to them how close they came to being dismembered alive and tossed away like trash.
You seem well intentioned but very misguided. You look a bit like Joe Namath btw.
There is a compromise that all would agree on. Ban abortion, because the baby may turn out to be awesome. If not, bring the little shit to PP and they can kill the kid for you.
It would also help with , say you have a baby, then lose your job and can't afford the kid anymore. Just bring the little waif to PP and they will dispose of her for you.
This will result in a better populace, only the best and brightest (and whitest- that will make PP happy) will be allowed to live.
@danielngayla you are an idiot. BORN beings have autonomous rights. the asinine analogy you try to make is laughably silly. the reason the woman can abort the pregnancy is because it is inside her body. it isn't about simply killing someone. the "baby" may turn out to be jason vorhees, just like it might turn out to be "awesome," so that moronic drivel is flushed immediately. and your insinuation of eugenics is so stupid, it defies apt description. women CHOOSE abortion.
@slyjokerg Wow. My response was obviously absurd to prove a point,you take it serious but I am the idiot! Too funny.
Your name calling shows me you have no real arguement. Planned Parenthood was formned to keep minority population in check. This is fact. The more babies are aborted, the better for PP..they love dead babies. I see no difference between a woman choosing to kill the baby in the womb and choosing to kill it after it is born.
@danielngayla nice cop out. the name calling was 100% apt and was not done in lieu of substance. i made multi-arguments in the very post you wish to dismiss. LOL. NO ONE loves dead babies, gestating organisms are not babies, it doesn't matter what you contend PP was formed to do, since it has nothing to do with racism today, and there is a HUGE difference between killing a being NOT inside or literally altering your physiology, and one that is. go ahead, claim i made no arguments again. LOL
@slyjokerg Amazing, first you call me an idiot then make an idiotic comment. Now you call copout when you obviously the one that uses name calling and anger as your tools for debate. Then you dismiss the racisim behind planned parenthood. I will waste no more time with ignorance. Respond all you like, I have better things to do than reply to hate filled blind retards. Merry Christmas.
@slyjokerg IT IS THE WOMENSW FAULT THE GETUS IS THERE SO IT ISN`T GUILTY OF ANNYTHING SO IT DOESN`T HAVE TO DIE, RIGHTS ARE RIHTS NOT PRIVILIGES YOU ARE SAYING ONLY THE STRONG HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE, THE WOMEN PUTS THE CHILD IN HER BODY IT IS INOCENT AND SOMEONE CANNOT BE KILLED OVER SNOTHWERS ACTIONS!!!
@freewilllover i never said it was guilty of anything. and you are correct. right are rights, and privileges are privileges. and you don't have the right to use or exist inside a woman's body. it is a privilege. and i NEVER said only the strong have the right to live. that is a ugly, blatant lie. the woman's actions took place BEFORE the organism existed. it can't have rights in the first place when it didn't exist, and isn't killed because of her choice to fuck someone.
@slyjokerg Uh the women put it there so it is killing someone for your and why would you only gain rights after birth?? it is human rights not born human rights!!!!!!!
@free actually no. no one put it anywhere. when two people have sex, the "baby" doesn't exist. and you only gain rights (most of them) after birth because you are inside of someone's body, which means you don't have rights that the woman doesn't grant you. you are in her body, her domain, her purview. particular conditions determine rights in uncountable ways and circumstances. the right to life is NOT absolute, even if that right is stipulated as being possessed by the gestating being.
Nop it is there cause the women created it there, so the fetus has no rights cause of the wo end actions, that is enslavement, since it is their cause the women made it there ir does ave rights, the riht tro live is for all inocent huan being, if I SUGICLY HAVE YOU TIED TO ME CAN I tghen kil you, you ay the fetus has no rights cause it is uin the womens body which it is cayse i was small rnoug to be there s you are discriminating those wak enbuiugh to be put in your body and allowibh enslaveent.
@freewilllover nope. it is not enslavement for a fetus. it is not being forced to do anything. if we get surgically connected, you can disconnect me. if that kills me, that is tough shit for me. disconnecting the fetus is far more complicated, since it is internal. and i am not discriminating against anything for being weak. you made that up. the reality of a pregnancy is what gives the woman the right. it wouldn't matter if the being inside her uterus was a weightlifter.
Putting someone somewhere or causing someone to be somewhere are practicly the same thing it is the womens fault the child is in her body, so what you are saying is that the child doesn`t have the right to live because it was weak enough to be put there, YOU PROMOTE THE STRONG KILLING THE WEAK!!!!!!!!!
@freewilllover again, you made up a lie. i never said anything about anything being weak, or any such notion being the justification for an abortion. and it being weak had nothing to do with it "being put there." you keep asserting bullshit i never remotely even insinuated because you want to argue againt it and attack me for it. it is a very typical, pathetic tactic.
@freewilllover You guys only want to punish people for having sex, seriously, problem? Are you not getting laid enough, getting in a car isn't a contract to be in a car accident, going to eat isn't a contract to get food poisoning, having sex isn't a contract to be or remain pregnant, you can use another's organs without their consent You cant even take organs from a dead person to save a living person without them consenting prior to death or their family consenting.
@freewilllover getting in a car makes you deserve to die in a car wreck by your logic, after all that is one of the many outcomes of driving, eating makes you deserve food poisoning,
@vampyres32 That is different dying in a caraqccident isn`t nneeded for someone else, the logical comparison is is that if you hit someone with your car you pay for the operation!!!!!!
If someone is on life support, still physically alive, but declared brain dead, there is no question as to whether or not the person should be kept on life support. No one is arguing that the person is "still alive". I think the question of whether or not the baby is "alive" should be measured by when they become sentient and understand what is going on. Before their brain is developed, they are not sentient. Sorry to all you pro-lifers, but until that baby can "think" it isn't "alive".
"Services that planned parenthood offers?" What like sticking sharp things in babies, throwing them in plastic bags, and in the trash? What a brave defender of the defenseless you are, Twinkle Toes.
lambchopclmt is offended by titles like "holocaust" but has no problem at all with slaughtering millions of unborn babies, in a brutal fashion. Just don't call it what it is...that would offend this moron! LOL
@danceshadowmoon1 calling it genocide isn't my problem. If you believe that then more power to you.
What i have a problem with is the way you came across as saying abortion is worse than the holocaust. It's not only ignorant but idiotic and sad, to say the least.
@lambchopclmt I care about you being offended by my words as much as you do for the millions of babies killed across the world dumbass. You are offended by reality. The fact is, you have blood on your hands and shit for a brain.
@lambchopclmt Hey dumbass, abortion is responsible for over 50 million unborn babies being slaughtered worldwide, a far cry worse than anything Hitler ever dreamed up. And it is a baby..it doesn't suddenly become one with a poof of magic when it's born. Your attempts to dehumanize unborn babies are the same tactics used in Nazi Germany against the Jews. You live in a state of denial and are offended by facts. Selfish bitch.
Funny claim, considering the Nazis outlawed abortion when they came to power. Where's your concern for the thousands of actual children who starve to death every day or die of preventable diseases? Oh thats right, the only time you care about children = conception to birth.
I bet what really scares you is the number of babies prevented by condom use. Oh the humanity!
What you are doing is amazing. I cannot express how greatful i am, i wish i had had an escort when i went for my abortion. The protesters weren't even protesting they were being verbally abusive and i even had a beheaded doll thrown at me. My abortion was the best thing i have ever done and i am sure so many women appriciate what you do!
@lambchopclmt So the best thing lambchopcimt has ever done is kill her own child? You are a fucking murderer and I will tell it to you straight. You sick fuck. You allowed someone to mutilate your own child and you come on here bragging about it? The headless doll thrown at you offended you but not your own fucking headless baby you helped to murder? You to hell you sick fucking idiot.
@danceshadowmoon1 I didn't muder a child, i killed what had potential to be a child. Putting infants on the same level as abortion is just crazy. That's why it's called abortion not infantacide. Also, your choice in vocabulary astounds me. Do you actually hope to change people's minds talking like that? How immature.
So far, in the last 20 days of the 40 Days for Life campaign 2010 in the United States, over 3,000 pregnant women seeking an abortion have turned away from the doors of an abortion clinic due to a change of heart after becoming more fully educated on what they were about to do to their Little Ones. 3,000 lives saved in 20 days.
@Minxcomix How do you know those women were there for abortions? How do you know they turned away due to a "change of heart" rather than simply being intimidated my the mob of harassers? How do you know those women didn't come back or go to another provider? How do you know that those women didn't later die due to their pregnancy or an unsafe abortion?
@juliewashere88 Because the women themselves claim as such, and of the ones who have already given birth, the children themselves are proof that no abortion occurred. Of course it is possible, maybe even likely, that even more had a change of heart and never bothered to stay in contact with the organization. (40Daysforlife).
Women who have walked the path would disagree with your last statement. So would those connected with the silentnomoreawareness org
@Minxcomix I was in error. The 3,000 number is since the beginning of the campaign which started the annual 40 Days for Life in 2007. I was incorrect. However I have been informed that in the last 20 days approx 200 lives have been reported as saved from abortion.
@Minxcomix Oh, I already knew your 3,000 was BS. Even 200 seems unlikely. You've still not considered the questions I've feilded nor the one even I forgot to mention as to whether or not the woman who did go in for abortion or abortion counseling decided against rather than simply setting an appointment for another day (waiting periods) or if they did decide against it, how do you know they didn't simply do this of their own accord regardless of you harassers?
@juliewashere88 I sincerely did not mean it as B.S., if I had I would not have corrected my error and apologized.
I did answer your ques. The women who make up these numbers are in contact with the 40 Days for Life organization. This is how we know that they 1) were there for abortions, 2) turned away due to a "change of heart" rather than simply being intimidated 3) didn't come back or go to another provider 4) didn't later die.
@Minxcomix Last I checked, pregnancy lasts more than 20 days. How do you know none of those women later has an abortion at that clinic, at another clinic or hospital, on their own, or didn't later suffer a complication of their pregnancy resulting in miscarriage/sillbirth or maternal mortality, considering these could all be future events?
@juliewashere88 I don't, nor do I claim I would know. But past experience for the 40DaysforLife org shows that would not be the case. However that is not why I presented the statement here. I presented the statement because of the title of this video.
If you have any more concerns about these women who acted upon their "right to choose" by choosing not to pay someone to destroy the unborn life growing within them, you can contact the 40daysforLife org. They would have more info then I.
@juliewashere88 If Minxcomix saved one child, then her efforts were worth it all. Instead of trying to dispute numbers, how about becoming a responsible parent and not killing your child?
Last I checked, pregnancy takes more than 20 days. How do you know none of those 200 women either had an abortion another day/ had one somewhere else, had an unsafe abortion, or suffered a complication with their pregnancy, seeing as these could all be future events?
Fortunately for more then a few young humans, I myself DO know of women who have turned away from an abortion clinic thanks to sidewalk counseling. Even if only one woman has had a change of heart in the whole history of a clinic due to a sidewalk counselor, that one life is so precious and valuable to society, that it would be worth a lifetime of sidewalk counseling. We would do it even for you, Nicholas, for yes we recognize your dignity as a human being from the moment of your conception also
@juliewashere88 It's what it is called Julie. Every women considering death for the human life growing within them should make that decision based on full and complete information. If it were your life about to be destroyed, wouldn't you want the person making the choice about your body, your life, to have full, complete information? I propose that if it were your own life about to end at the hands of an abortionist, you would not consider someone trying to save your life "harassing".
@Minxcomix 1. No, it's called harassment, intimidation, and manipulation. 2. A fetus is only a human life in the same way as is a tumor. 3. Unlike me, fetuses can't want anything or be aware. 4. REAL clinics give real information. Street harassers don't. 5. It is not possible for me to be killed in an abortion, nor was it ever possible. I am a sentient being. I was never a fetus for the same reason I was never both sperm and an egg. 6. If you were really out to save lives you'd be pro-choice.
@juliewashere88 Am I to understand you correctly in your statements that it is your understanding of embrological science that the zygote/embryo/fetus is not human life?
@Minxcomix No, you're not understanding my correctly. What I said is that a fetus is a human life in that it is living human tissue, like any other human tissue is, including, as I said, tumors.
What sets living human tissue apart from human beings (people) is sentience/sapience, which both tumors and fetuses (particularly those early enough in term to be removed) lack.
@juliewashere88 Are you telling me that it is your understanding that a tumor is a unique human individual with his/her own set of DNA just like a zygote is?
@juliewashere88 in response to your belief that a fetus is not an individual (you haven't taken the time to watch the YT vid have you? It's only 2 min long) : "Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history of the individual." Patten's Foundations of Embryology.
This is only one quote of innumerable ones Julie, since all embrological textbooks agree that this is fact
@Minxcomix "I daresay that no competent biologist would take the position that these anti-choicers claim is universal among us." "Life does not begin at conception. It's an utterly nonsensical position to take." "Now this person wants a specific quote from a biology text that has the words "human life does not begin at conception" in it. That would be tough That would be tough..."
@Minxcomix "..., because it's a sentence that rather boggles the brain of any developmental biologist — we also tend not to write sentences like, "human beings are not flies". We kind of expect that anyone intelligent enough to read the textbook doesn't need their hand held in superfluous explications of the bleedin' obvious."
@juliewashere88 I am not familiar with Prof PZ Myers. I will look into his credentials. Do you have anymore quotes, specifically from textbooks, to discount the embryology textbooks that come right out and state that the life of a unique individual human, and some use the term human "being", starts at conception? Besides Patten's which I quoted here, "Essentials of Human Embryology", "Human Embryology & Teratology", "Langman's Medical Embryology" and countless others will need to be discounted
@julie btw, I'm not asking you to provide me with a textbook that states "human life does not begin at conception", I'm asking you to provide me with proof that all these innumerable textbooks and world reknowned and respected scientists who say, clearly, that life DOES begin at conception are wrong.
Dr. Jerome Lejeune ("father" of modern genetics), Dr. Landrum Shettles("father" of IVF technology), Gordon, Hymie, M.D., F.R.C.P., Chairman of Medical Genetics, Mayo Clinic, Mary Calderone, M.D
@Minxcomix As any 3rd-grader could tell you, you don't get life out of nowhere. The gametes are already alive and human before they ever meet. They are just as alive as the zygote they form. Life does not begin at conception, it's already present BEFORE IT.
Even among animals that reproduce sexually, some species are able to reproduce with unfertilized gametes. Yes, I know this doesn't work in humans, my point is gametes are already alive and members of their species.
@juliewashere88 The spermatoza and ova are of human origin, but they are not human in themselves, they are not organisms, and are not "members" of the human species.
A zygote is a human organism and a member of the human species.
I am still interested in the citable sources I previously requested, expecially considering it will take more then a quote from an associate professor to make me believe that the "Fathers" of modern genetics and IVF techonology are 'incompetent' biologists
@Minxcomix 1. Actually, gametes are human cells, even if they're haploid. A zygote is no more human just for being diploid. DNA isn't magic. A human being is not a singe-celled organism.
2. You mean a credible source besides Professor Myers, who, in the quote, explained why what you ask for isn't in text books? You can find history books with agendas that say Noah's flood actually happened. The fact that legitimate books don't explicitly say it didn't doesn't mean it was ever a real event.
@juliewashere88 Do you honestly believe that this particular quote from Prof Myers is enough to convince one that "Langman's Medical Embryology" which is considered by many reputable experts in the field to be "The" textbook to have on the matter, is 'incompetent'? That the opinion of an associate prof will convince one that Dr. Shettles and other world esteemed scientists do not know what they are talking about?
With all due respect Julie, I need more if I am to dismiss such experts as these
@Minxcomix As stated, life cannot begin at conception because life is already present. Some animals are haploid and grow to adulthood from a single gamete with fertilization never taking place.
It just happens that conception is a requirement for human reproduction, else the ovum would simply be washed away with menstrus. Conception is just one requirement of many. I would say that implantation is a more important one. That's when pregnancy actually begins.
@juliewashere88 We are not talking generics here. The life of the unique human beings which each of us are begins at conception. This is a fact that is in embrology textbooks and affirmed by embryologists. I have provided you references of both. There are innumerable more.
This means that despite your personal belief on the matter, the fact is, you were, at the beginning of YOUR life, a zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, child, adolescent, etc. You were never however a sperm or ova.
@Minxcomix It's not a mere personal belief that gametes are living cells. It's a fact. One that you ignore. I've never understood why antis ignore this. It's not as if I'm saying zygotes aren't alive. All I'm saying is that life didn't begin at conception but actually much earlier than that.
Actually, I was never a zygote-fetus for the same reason I was never a sperm. I, being an I, am and must be a sentient being. Without sentience, there is no me, just tissue. Nothing more.
@juliewashere I'm not ignoring that spermatoza and ova are living human cells. I am denying that they are living human organisms. I am also denying that a zygote is no different in it's life then gametes, because the zygote, unlike the gametes, IS a living organism. The zygote is a MEMBER of the human species, whereas the gametes PARTS of members of the human species.
And according to "Patten's Foundations of Embryology" and other textbooks you indeed were a zygote
@juliewashere88 You continue to state that it is more then personal belief, that it is fact, yet you do not cite any source.
Why should anyone not ignore it, when we have so many reputable and respected sources which state otherwise?
Convince me Julie, with citations. Do you honestly believe that I should simply take your word for it with your only support being a quote of an opinion from an associate professor?
We just saved our 24th Baby! Outside an abortion Clinic. Our first baby (baby number 1) turned one year old on May 13th 2010. The twins that we saved will be turning One year old on September 21st 2010. So if you do not think women change their minds (usually because they are making an uninformed choice) you are wrong. Not one of these women is unhappy either. Although we have had many women who went through with their abortions who have told us they are unhappy. Abortion hurts women.
Funny, I'm a clinic escort and I can't count how many times I've seen you sidewalk clowns high five each other and claim you saved a baby when a woman leaves a clinic after a short time and assume she decided agaisnt abortion when she really just picked up her birth control. Its very amusing when the woman takes the time to yell "I had a depo shot, morons!"
@loner1878 Well I have seen the actual babies. We have maternity homes that we place women in that cannot afford housing. We have centers that provide diapers food and clothing. I have seen the babies that have been saved. So you can clinic escort all day long. You do not see the babies because your side does not let them live. We only want to help women and children.
We help women too, we don't see them as secondary to pre human tissue. Good for you if you help women who honestly want to carry to term but doing it through intimidation and harassment (what I see every time outside the clinic) is wrong. Our clinics also offer adoption referrals and low cost maternal care. We support all choices without judgement. We've had clients bring their babies to us for a visit and women some time after their termination procedures who come and hug us.
@loner1878 There are some people with good intentions as sidewalk counselors. Good intentions do not make good actions. A person that yells at a mother 'baby killer' or something to that effect should not be out there. It is a very bad way to try to save a life. Women need care, they need to know that they are in a crisis pregnancy and what we try to do is take the 'crisis' out so the woman is just 'pregnant'. Men pressure women SOOO much to abort, it is very sad.
@loner1878 Anyone you will find in front of an abortion clinic honestly cares. They would not be there if they didnt. People that shout do not know a better way. There are PLENTY of better ways though. Yelling does not help. True some men want the child to be born but the MAJORITY of them have convinced the women that this is the best thing. I have talked to literally thousands of women. The stories I have heard are similar in that the men did not want the child. The women wanted support.
Most of the ones I see likely would not care after the kid was born (common joke is pro lifers define life as conception through birth). There was a time I would have been in front of a clinic protesting. I was raised "pro life" myself - for naive reasons. I've heard from plently of women too since starting work with reproductive organizations, most of whom did not regret their abortions.
I'm curious, have you read the article "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion?"
@loner1878 I did not want to write you back until I had read that Article. I know have. I know tons of women that have had an abortion and none of them say it was a moral abortion. I have never met a pro life person that actually had an abortion that said it was moral. They are ashamed of what they had done. Were you raised Christian? Are you still? We do not look at life like that at all (pro lifer defining life). We like to stay in contact with the familes in case they need anything.
Many women I know have no regets over their abortions. There is no "right" way to feel after the procedure. I get the feeling they wouldn't to share that with their anti choice friends. I have seen a few known anti-choice people come in for abortions and then act like nothing happened. More commonly younger ones come to us for their birth control or pap smears even though they still protest us - usually they try and hide their faces behind their posters to avoid being recognized.
@loner1878 Ever heard of Norma McCorvey? She is known better by Jane Roe as in ROE VS WADE. She was once pro choice, even worked at an abortion clinic when it was made legal. She is now Pro Life as of about 1995.
Course I do. And so what? I was formerly vehemently pro life and now am active with pro choice organizations and help escort at abortion clinics. Many of my fellow escorts were raised "pro life."
To answer you question, I was raised very strictly catholic. I was anti-choice because I was told to be, I was fed the usual views and taught it was wrong no matter what. But I always doubted that particular teaching - what about rape? Incest? I became secretly pro-choice after finding real information and meeting people with different views. Many years later I became atheist (for different reasons). I still am atheist, and very happy to be one.
@loner1878 Ok so you were Catholic and now you are an atheist. So you believe that there is no God. Are you an atheist in the sense that you do not believe Jesus even existed or do you believe that he existed? What about the Virgin Mary? Just curious on your views as you were raised a strict Catholic. How bout yer Mum and Dad are they still Catholic? What do you define as 'real' information?
And I just noticed something in the comments - you claim its very sad that "men pressure women SOOO much to abort", yet at the same time you see nothing wrong with pressuring and coercing women to carry to term. How ironic.
@loner1878 i do not pressure anyone. i do offer alternatives to abortion. i will give a woman the tools to take the 'crisis' out of 'crisis pregnancy' so that she can just be 'pregnant'. Most women are just looking for some help, they are scared. Where the abortion industry offers only two options 'with Anesthesia or without'. i offer a whole page of options over thirty. i only want to help women children and families. i do not come to hurt or condemn just to help.
Nice piece of propaganda there. Virtually all abortion clinics have counselors who counsel women on all their options and offer support for each (parenting, abortion and adoption). I know many counselors who work in these clinics and they care very much for the women who come in. I am willing to believe you do want to help, but you have to face that many people on your side are very much about control and intimidation.
I volunteer for PP. What do you mean by rate? Referrals? I don't have the stats on hand but I do know quite a few PP branches around the country are partners with adoption organizations and provide in-house adoption services.
Um, yes I did answer that question. I said I was an atheist in one of my earlier replies.
You are right daisyfuck...Abortion can't compare to Nazi concentration camps. Abortion is far worse. With aborton, babies are dissmembered while still alive or burned slowly to death with a salt solution. Over 50 million babies have died this horrible way. Even Hitler couldn't pull that off. Perhaps that is why we call abortion genocide you dumb ass.
that has got to be the most offensive thing i've ever heard a pro lifer say, not to mention the most ignorant. I'll be sure to tell my great grandmother, a holocaust survivor exactly what you think about it vs abortion. Because i mean, obviously an unborn baby of whom has no memory or life expirience is MUCH more human that someone who has family, memories, can feel emotional pain has suffered loss...etc. God you disgust me.
@lambchopclmt You are offended by me comparing the abortion holocaust to the Nazi holocaust because the unborn babies have no life experience? How about the fact that they have a death experience applied by others in a horrible fashion, while idiots like yourself support it then? They would have a life experience if they were allowed to live dumbass. Genocide is Genocide, the Jews do not have exclusive rights to that title.
These so called "escorts" are DESPICABLE. They are fowl mouths who do nothing but harass pro life demonstrators who are peaceful protesting with in the law. One in Ann Arbor, MI "Bernie" he goes by is a bigoted atheist who says stuff that even offends pro choice planned parenthood customers for their Christian beliefs. Fuck you planned parenthood and these monsters you allow to volunteer for you.
@bcmasta1returns Was the guy who killed Dr Tiller peaceful and protesting within the law too? If so called pro life people didn't attack and abuse these women who have the LEGAL right to have their abortions then they wouldn't need escorts outside clinics. By the way while you were reading this a few more starving children have died. So go sell your computer and send the money to help them if you care that much.
@CanadianLulz What, all five cases? Half not even at the clinic. Yea, maybe Roeder could have been stopped if Bernie wasn't out side screaming "priests rape boys" at me in front me in ear shot of my 7 year old brother, 6 year old sister, and pro choice Christian PP customer who was offended. When all I was doing was holding a fairly uncon. "Men regret lost Fatherhood sign".
@bcmasta1returns You know its funny on this world wide video sharing site, I can find tones of Pro choice protesters, screaming, breaking signs, even hitting hard enough to draw blood. Yet not one video I can find of "caught on camera" footage of pro lifers acting the same way.
@bcmasta1returns Why the hell would you have 6 and 7 year old children at a protest or a place where you know that sign is going to cause contraversy? That's probably not a good place for young children to be.
So Nicholas, you would have been alright with your mom aborting you? Let's be consistent here. Time to acknowledge your mom wasn't all-knowing after all and is on her way to hell with you hanging onto her apron strings. Repent!
Yeah, women should be allowed to do what is currently legal without being harassed and physically threatened. That passes the limit of noble protest.
A passion is a strong and barely controllable emotion; none the less, it is controlled and people don't get harmed unnecessarily. I understand the passion of pro-lifers, but I could not imagine if my good friend, who had an abortion years ago and dearly...dearly regretted it, died or was assailed b/c of uncontrolled passion.
You are ab-so-lute-ly right! I abhor abortion because its anti-woman. Slavery used to be legally right but it is and has always been morally wrong...just like abortion. Women are programed to believe that abortion is morally right b/c its our legal right. When I ask questions and have ppl break down what they believe and take invetnory of their beliefs, they have a hard time swallowing what they really believe....because they have been lied to and told what to believe.
I hate to see ignorance like yours in this day and age. Truly a tragedy. I grew up in a country where abortion was illegal, clearly you've had the luxury of never knowing what thats like.
I don't want to right to abort a baby for none medical reasons. That would be truly sick. What is it ignorant to not desire the right to have the private right to kill my baby?
@ladyEulaelie How is abortion anti-woman? I suppose I've been brainwashed to believe that I am an independent human being who can make my own decisions regarding my reproductive life. I've been brainwashed into thinking that I can make my own moral judgements, when in reality I should just do what you tell me. Is that accurate?
What does independence have to do w/ the ability to decide if an innocent life should live or die and why can't women OWN take RESPONSIBILITY for their reproductive decisions to get pregnant??
You legally (not morally) have the "right" to make such poor judgment & carry it through only b/c your biological mother made a moral judgment to not blot you out of existence w/ a piece of Charman tissue or burn you alive while you were sucking ur thumb in her womb
@ladyEulaelie Independence has everything to do with abortion. Independent human beings should be able to decide what to do with their bodies(good decisions or bad) and whether to reproduce or not. It is not a woman's "duty" to have babies.
As long as that innocent life is in my body, and can't survive outside, I am responsible for it. I decide it's fate. Until medical science develops and artificial womb, that's how things will remain.
Why do you restate ur position? Once again, what is your definition of independence?
If your def. of independence is the ability to live w/o the help of others or biological functions residing outside one's self, you should have a closer look at your logic. NO BABY that has been born can survive outside the womb w/o being heavily dependent on another life. If you support abortion 4 these reasons, why not protest the imprisonment of women who killed their babies?
People should decide what they can do w/ their bodies but not to the extent that they alienate someone else's rights (saying its their right to rape someone or kill someone b/c they are doing what they want with their body) or interfere w/ their right to live.
Regrading the issue of it being a woman's duty to have babies....
Did I ever say its every woman's purpose to have kids? Read between the lines. Don't twist my words to suit ur position simply b/c you want to avoid a deeper, meaningful discussion.
Bottom line: REAL WOMEN make it a DUTY to not coward away from THEIR choices. If a woman decides to have sex, its her DUTY to OWN THE RESULTS of HER choice...you know (or apparently don't know), like a REAL woman. Abortion is sexist and from my pov it's is a great example of machisma.
@ladyEulaelie I can have all the sex I want and I own my choice. I use birth control. The method I use is generally foolproof, but should it fail, I will get an abortion. It would not be responsible or right for me to bring a baby into the world right now. Am I to be celebate? Give me a break! Not even nuns are celebate these days.
Sex is not just about you and your man's pleasure, there are other factors. Sex is so over rated and so is the modern day, feminist, brain. If you want an orgasm, why not buy a catalog full of toys of different sizes, shapes and colors and splurge, why participate in the only biological function that brings about conception? Condoms are not 100% but abstinence is. If you don't want a baby, you either remove your uterus or logically, you close your twat for business.
I'm celibate. Look around, its not many but a lot of people hold high expectations for themselves and are celibate.
I do not judge you are anyone unlike myself, but I choose not have sex as an unmarried woman, b/c its a symbol of my purity. My marriage bed will be undefiled. I highly respect my body and the body of other individuals and I can not say that, if I condone the murder of innocent individuals w/o extreme cause, particularly if not due to a fault of their own.
Any time we hold expectations for one gender to meet the same requirements that is an obligation to both sexes, that is sexism. Our society holds a gender prejudice against men, that a man can not go unmarked as a deadbeat dad who evades his obligations as a MAN but a woman can calculate the death of her unborn baby ad go unmarked as a deadbeat mother and a person who has evaded her obligations as a WOMAN.
Abortion is a manifestation of sexism in many other ways as well.
@ladyEulaelie So because society is unfair to men, women should be dragged down too. Okay. I have a better idea: give equality and freedom to both sexes.
Nobody is dragging you down b/c ppl suggest you pull your panties up, & quit being a whore & take care of the kids you could have decided not to make. Its your vagina, so why don't you control what goes in it instead of killing your own sons & daughters...ur future lineage. Most abortions kill perfectly healthy individuals who are shorted memories, love, dreams, accomplishments...just life you were fortunate to experience b/c of selfish, self-serving ppl. Its not fair.
@ladyEulaelie Fucker, if you are going to call me a whore this conversation is over. You don't have the right to judge anybody and neither do I. I am more upstanding than most people, and probably more than you are. There is nothing selfish about controlling what goes on in your own body. I wouldn't ask any man or woman to do something against their will. Maybe you should consider that.
What you so angry about? Did I ever call you a whore? No. Are you a whore? Possibly. Idk you. But if you are, don't try to kick me with your boots just b/c they fit.
Abortion is not about your body...its about someone elses body. Again, this is not about you. This is about an innocent person who will die at the hands of another person who made a choice....A CHOICE to bring them here. Have you considered that being pro-choice starts with you refusing your body sex?
I can't damn a person to hell but I sure can tell them what they are. If they do scummy things (rape, murder, molestation, beat their grandmother, kill their unborn kids b/c they simply don't want them but keep making them b/c they love sex but hate responsibility) they are scum. Thats not judging them...I'm just calling them by name.
I know some outstanding people in my personal life who I admire, and they had abortions. Having an abortion doesn't make you a whore.
In my eyes, having an abortion doesn't make you a whore...having a one night stand doesn't make you a whore. Everyone makes mistakes.
Its when nothing else...even the life of your own son or daughter and your lineage means nothing to you above fulfilling your sexual pleasures. That is what makes a woman or a man a whore.
@ladyEulaelie As far as an individual having the "right" to not be killed, that is accurate. You have the right to live once you are born. Prior to birth you are not an individual yet, you are part of your mother's body. Your body is not your own until you can live without being a parasite. They way you talk it sounds like you think that once a woman is pregnanty she is nothing, it's only about the baby. And that CHOICE means only choosing not to have sex. In other words women have ONE choice.
Abortionists even refer to the fetus as a person. To say that an unborn baby is not a person, is not even argued about any more. Scientifically, the unborn baby is an individual.
Women make such an uproar about having the right to kill a "scientifically recognized individual" b/c that individual is in their bodies, yet they don't even have the right to kill their own body w/o out laws to intervene. By their own philosophy they should have that right, but they don't.
It is scientifically incorrect to call a human fetus a parasite. A parasite is "a organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense."
No damage or disease is ordinarily caused to a woman just b/c she is pregnant.
An unborn baby is a non-person? That is absolutely frakin rediculous. That "non-person" was once everyone who ever lived the face of the earth. So tell me, when did you become a person?
@ladyEulaelie Women endure lots of damage from pregnancy. The physical tole is enormous! Things are stretched, ripped and worn out. Hormones are screwed up; emotional and physical sickness occurs; the mother has to take in more nutrients to feed the growing organism inside her.
How does pregnancy not fit the definition of parasitism?
You can call something an individual or whatever you want, but as long as it lives at my expense, it's rights come after mine.
A parasite's job is to benefit and survive while causing harm to its host. The unborn offspring of a human or any animal would never be considered a paraiste. Pregnacy is not a parasitic relationship between baby and mother.
The vagina is designed to be stretched. It stretches to accommodate the male organ during sex and to accommodate a baby moving through the birth canal. Yes, hormones get out of whack, but that is nothing a most women don't deal w/ every 2/3 weeks.
@ladyEulaelie Parasites and fetuses both cause considerable harm to their host/mother. I already explained that. Childbirth is the most stressful and dangerous thing an animal will ever do in it's lifetime. It's like diving off a cliff into the ocean.
And I don't get what is so bad about being "selfish". The only thing we can control is ourselves. It is only natural that that's what we should focus on.
Ahahaha! No, the body doesn't have built in biological functions designed to cause considerable harm to its self. An animal is meant to carry on its species through copulation and childbirth. You are a sissy of a female and I highly doubt that you'd believe its ok to be self-ish if you were the victim of someone focusing in on themselves.
You would never dare embarrass yourself or pro-choicers by saying some nonsense like that on TV. Yea, I think you're done.
@ladyEulaelie I wouldn't blame the person who was acting in their own best interest. How could I?
And no, of course child-birth is not intended to harm the mother, but it always does. Why should it matter how much? If a woman doesn't want a baby, she shouldn't have a baby. You seem to think you are entitled to judge people and tell them what they can and cannot do, the mark of th anti-choice fascist.
I would applaud a person who is acting in their best interest but do you agree that sometimes a person doesn't make decisions that are in range of their best interest, especially when they are in a crisis situation? Like for example, a person might choose suicide or substance abuse and even though it would be their choice and no other person would be harmed by their decision but them, would it be the best choice?
When female has sex, especially the 1st time, since her hymen may not be broken, their could potentially be a lot of pain, some tearing and bleeding. You wouldn't say that sex is "harming" her, unless the male intended to inflict pain, and cause bleeding and tearing.
So b/c Not everyone agrees with you, you throw a temper tantrum revolving around name calling?? I believe that ppl should talk about it and share ideas. I can learn from others. If we don't agree, thats ok.
Lets say I'm flying my jet across the Atlantic to Europe. Mid trip I discover that their is an unwanted passenger on my plane. ITS YOU! You explain Your presence and it is found that you have done nothing wrong. If I wanted you off my plane anyway mid trip to Europe, would it be ok for me to eject you out of my jet simply b/c I don't want you in it (regardless of what the law states). In what why are you in the wrong and deserve to be evicted off my jet?
I believe that God is Pro choice
setatliberty 1 month ago
Oh pro lifers you aren't making me feel worse about my choice, you are making me feel better about what was a hard choice before, I can't wait to get it done, its the first time I can come face to face with you pro life assholes, and I can give you a piece of my mind, actually got 5 big miners who know and support my choice think Ill take um with me to stomp mud holes in anyone trying to impede my choice. I never thought I would be here, I have long been pro choice, but now I am rabid about it.
vampyres32 1 month ago
I love what you are doing, I wish I lived close enough to a clinic to help them. I am in these womans shoes right now, unplanned and totally unwanted pregnancy at 36, with serious health risks to me and complications, I know these idiots don't care that it might kill me, they will harass me anyways.This makes me very angry, I am on the verge of moving just to counter these assholes
vampyres32 1 month ago
@vampyres32 Bed rest doesn't mean you should kill you baby you conceived because your retarded... You messed up.
wanttoseemysnake 1 month ago
@wanttoseemysnake UM DUDE I get put on bed rest because of serious chance of fucking hemorrhaging, and second of all as the soul support for my kids, how in the fuck do you assume I can be on bed rest for 5 months? So starve my kids, lose my home, maybe, carry to term and not have it die shortly after birth like my son did?
vampyres32 1 month ago
@vampyres32 Fist I have had a partial placental abruption, hemorrhaged and continued to have a healthy pregnancy after instead of killing it.Secondly you should keep your legs closed unless your protected as you know how babies are made. Sorry but I have no tears for a baby killer because she feels she is a victim... CLOSE YOUR LEGS!
wanttoseemysnake 1 month ago
@wanttoseemysnake 10 years 5 months on the same UNFAILED birth control, and i am not asking for your pity,and I give a damn less about your family fucking diaf bitch
vampyres32 1 month ago
@wanttoseemysnake I am done arguing with you you misogynistic PUKE, you have shown more concern for punishing woman for having sex, then actual concern for families, How about you actually do something useful
vampyres32 1 month ago
@vampyres32 Babies aren't punishment..... I am doing something I'm showing people how prochoice people are selfish.
wanttoseemysnake 1 month ago
@wanttoseemysnake Selfish because I chose to not have the state raise my kids, funny my kids support my right and they support my choice, and so does my boyfriend so honey I give a damn what you think, you make me want to exercise my right, Oh and fyi as the mother of 4 daughters I would take them to exercise their right, actually I would take anyone's child to exercise their right, Its funny you right to lifers just make me want to abort more fetuses kidding to expensive but really god.
vampyres32 1 month ago
@vampyres32 Your just messed up, most likely on crack cus with abortion there is less crack babies! Kill you unborn child, I hope it haunts you for the rest or your life because it does for many who abort( that's something the pro choicer's fail to mention PTSS).
wanttoseemysnake 1 month ago
wicked fool
bluepuppyboy 2 months ago
atta boy. kudos to you for your selflessness, and your bravery. i have done it myself for many years.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
Inspiring :)
ohmygoth4 7 months ago
40 Days of harassment you say.
Would you have the guts to face the many children saved from an abortion by 40 Days For Live over the years and tell them how much better off they would be if their parents had never been "harassed" - no thanks to you. Explain to them how close they came to being dismembered alive and tossed away like trash.
You seem well intentioned but very misguided. You look a bit like Joe Namath btw.
TempusFugit101 9 months ago
There is a compromise that all would agree on. Ban abortion, because the baby may turn out to be awesome. If not, bring the little shit to PP and they can kill the kid for you.
It would also help with , say you have a baby, then lose your job and can't afford the kid anymore. Just bring the little waif to PP and they will dispose of her for you.
This will result in a better populace, only the best and brightest (and whitest- that will make PP happy) will be allowed to live.
danielngayla 10 months ago
@danielngayla you are an idiot. BORN beings have autonomous rights. the asinine analogy you try to make is laughably silly. the reason the woman can abort the pregnancy is because it is inside her body. it isn't about simply killing someone. the "baby" may turn out to be jason vorhees, just like it might turn out to be "awesome," so that moronic drivel is flushed immediately. and your insinuation of eugenics is so stupid, it defies apt description. women CHOOSE abortion.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
@slyjokerg Wow. My response was obviously absurd to prove a point,you take it serious but I am the idiot! Too funny.
Your name calling shows me you have no real arguement. Planned Parenthood was formned to keep minority population in check. This is fact. The more babies are aborted, the better for PP..they love dead babies. I see no difference between a woman choosing to kill the baby in the womb and choosing to kill it after it is born.
But go ahead and call names ,all ya got.
danielngayla 2 months ago
@danielngayla nice cop out. the name calling was 100% apt and was not done in lieu of substance. i made multi-arguments in the very post you wish to dismiss. LOL. NO ONE loves dead babies, gestating organisms are not babies, it doesn't matter what you contend PP was formed to do, since it has nothing to do with racism today, and there is a HUGE difference between killing a being NOT inside or literally altering your physiology, and one that is. go ahead, claim i made no arguments again. LOL
slyjokerg 2 months ago
@slyjokerg Amazing, first you call me an idiot then make an idiotic comment. Now you call copout when you obviously the one that uses name calling and anger as your tools for debate. Then you dismiss the racisim behind planned parenthood. I will waste no more time with ignorance. Respond all you like, I have better things to do than reply to hate filled blind retards. Merry Christmas.
danielngayla 2 months ago
@danielngayla you haven't made an argument yet, just tried to attack me. your running is comical.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
@slyjokerg IT IS THE WOMENSW FAULT THE GETUS IS THERE SO IT ISN`T GUILTY OF ANNYTHING SO IT DOESN`T HAVE TO DIE, RIGHTS ARE RIHTS NOT PRIVILIGES YOU ARE SAYING ONLY THE STRONG HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE, THE WOMEN PUTS THE CHILD IN HER BODY IT IS INOCENT AND SOMEONE CANNOT BE KILLED OVER SNOTHWERS ACTIONS!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover i never said it was guilty of anything. and you are correct. right are rights, and privileges are privileges. and you don't have the right to use or exist inside a woman's body. it is a privilege. and i NEVER said only the strong have the right to live. that is a ugly, blatant lie. the woman's actions took place BEFORE the organism existed. it can't have rights in the first place when it didn't exist, and isn't killed because of her choice to fuck someone.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
@slyjokerg Uh the women put it there so it is killing someone for your and why would you only gain rights after birth?? it is human rights not born human rights!!!!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@free actually no. no one put it anywhere. when two people have sex, the "baby" doesn't exist. and you only gain rights (most of them) after birth because you are inside of someone's body, which means you don't have rights that the woman doesn't grant you. you are in her body, her domain, her purview. particular conditions determine rights in uncountable ways and circumstances. the right to life is NOT absolute, even if that right is stipulated as being possessed by the gestating being.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
Nop it is there cause the women created it there, so the fetus has no rights cause of the wo end actions, that is enslavement, since it is their cause the women made it there ir does ave rights, the riht tro live is for all inocent huan being, if I SUGICLY HAVE YOU TIED TO ME CAN I tghen kil you, you ay the fetus has no rights cause it is uin the womens body which it is cayse i was small rnoug to be there s you are discriminating those wak enbuiugh to be put in your body and allowibh enslaveent.
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover nope. it is not enslavement for a fetus. it is not being forced to do anything. if we get surgically connected, you can disconnect me. if that kills me, that is tough shit for me. disconnecting the fetus is far more complicated, since it is internal. and i am not discriminating against anything for being weak. you made that up. the reality of a pregnancy is what gives the woman the right. it wouldn't matter if the being inside her uterus was a weightlifter.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
Putting someone somewhere or causing someone to be somewhere are practicly the same thing it is the womens fault the child is in her body, so what you are saying is that the child doesn`t have the right to live because it was weak enough to be put there, YOU PROMOTE THE STRONG KILLING THE WEAK!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover again, you made up a lie. i never said anything about anything being weak, or any such notion being the justification for an abortion. and it being weak had nothing to do with it "being put there." you keep asserting bullshit i never remotely even insinuated because you want to argue againt it and attack me for it. it is a very typical, pathetic tactic.
slyjokerg 2 months ago
@slyjokerg I commented on that!!!!!!!!!!!!
freewilllover 2 months ago
@freewilllover You guys only want to punish people for having sex, seriously, problem? Are you not getting laid enough, getting in a car isn't a contract to be in a car accident, going to eat isn't a contract to get food poisoning, having sex isn't a contract to be or remain pregnant, you can use another's organs without their consent You cant even take organs from a dead person to save a living person without them consenting prior to death or their family consenting.
vampyres32 1 month ago
@vampyres32 Having sex makes you responsible!!!!
freewilllover 1 month ago
@freewilllover getting in a car makes you deserve to die in a car wreck by your logic, after all that is one of the many outcomes of driving, eating makes you deserve food poisoning,
vampyres32 1 month ago
@vampyres32 That is different dying in a caraqccident isn`t nneeded for someone else, the logical comparison is is that if you hit someone with your car you pay for the operation!!!!!!
freewilllover 1 month ago
If someone is on life support, still physically alive, but declared brain dead, there is no question as to whether or not the person should be kept on life support. No one is arguing that the person is "still alive". I think the question of whether or not the baby is "alive" should be measured by when they become sentient and understand what is going on. Before their brain is developed, they are not sentient. Sorry to all you pro-lifers, but until that baby can "think" it isn't "alive".
trancelove1234 10 months ago
So excited to be starting an escort program in Florida. Meeting with the clinic director tomorrow.
This is for you ladyEulaelie and bobbybrady8.
KelzMcBelz 1 year ago
Im for peaceful prayer demonstration........
Im for contraception
But against abortion....
Most women go for pap smears
Thats why i believe in peaceful demonstration without harrasment because u can be harrasing someone not getting an abortion
CrazieDiva972 1 year ago
"Services that planned parenthood offers?" What like sticking sharp things in babies, throwing them in plastic bags, and in the trash? What a brave defender of the defenseless you are, Twinkle Toes.
DirectorJassen 1 year ago
@DirectorJassen
What a smug ignorant drama queen you are, genius.
loner1878 1 year ago
lambchopclmt is offended by titles like "holocaust" but has no problem at all with slaughtering millions of unborn babies, in a brutal fashion. Just don't call it what it is...that would offend this moron! LOL
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
@danceshadowmoon1 calling it genocide isn't my problem. If you believe that then more power to you.
What i have a problem with is the way you came across as saying abortion is worse than the holocaust. It's not only ignorant but idiotic and sad, to say the least.
lambchopclmt 1 year ago
@lambchopclmt I care about you being offended by my words as much as you do for the millions of babies killed across the world dumbass. You are offended by reality. The fact is, you have blood on your hands and shit for a brain.
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
@lambchopclmt Hey dumbass, abortion is responsible for over 50 million unborn babies being slaughtered worldwide, a far cry worse than anything Hitler ever dreamed up. And it is a baby..it doesn't suddenly become one with a poof of magic when it's born. Your attempts to dehumanize unborn babies are the same tactics used in Nazi Germany against the Jews. You live in a state of denial and are offended by facts. Selfish bitch.
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
@danceshadowmoon1
Funny claim, considering the Nazis outlawed abortion when they came to power. Where's your concern for the thousands of actual children who starve to death every day or die of preventable diseases? Oh thats right, the only time you care about children = conception to birth.
I bet what really scares you is the number of babies prevented by condom use. Oh the humanity!
loner1878 1 year ago
What you are doing is amazing. I cannot express how greatful i am, i wish i had had an escort when i went for my abortion. The protesters weren't even protesting they were being verbally abusive and i even had a beheaded doll thrown at me. My abortion was the best thing i have ever done and i am sure so many women appriciate what you do!
lambchopclmt 1 year ago
@lambchopclmt So the best thing lambchopcimt has ever done is kill her own child? You are a fucking murderer and I will tell it to you straight. You sick fuck. You allowed someone to mutilate your own child and you come on here bragging about it? The headless doll thrown at you offended you but not your own fucking headless baby you helped to murder? You to hell you sick fucking idiot.
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
@danceshadowmoon1 I didn't muder a child, i killed what had potential to be a child. Putting infants on the same level as abortion is just crazy. That's why it's called abortion not infantacide. Also, your choice in vocabulary astounds me. Do you actually hope to change people's minds talking like that? How immature.
lambchopclmt 1 year ago
So far, in the last 20 days of the 40 Days for Life campaign 2010 in the United States, over 3,000 pregnant women seeking an abortion have turned away from the doors of an abortion clinic due to a change of heart after becoming more fully educated on what they were about to do to their Little Ones. 3,000 lives saved in 20 days.
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix How do you know those women were there for abortions? How do you know they turned away due to a "change of heart" rather than simply being intimidated my the mob of harassers? How do you know those women didn't come back or go to another provider? How do you know that those women didn't later die due to their pregnancy or an unsafe abortion?
Don't fool yourself. You don't save, you destroy.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Because the women themselves claim as such, and of the ones who have already given birth, the children themselves are proof that no abortion occurred. Of course it is possible, maybe even likely, that even more had a change of heart and never bothered to stay in contact with the organization. (40Daysforlife).
Women who have walked the path would disagree with your last statement. So would those connected with the silentnomoreawareness org
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix I was in error. The 3,000 number is since the beginning of the campaign which started the annual 40 Days for Life in 2007. I was incorrect. However I have been informed that in the last 20 days approx 200 lives have been reported as saved from abortion.
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix Oh, I already knew your 3,000 was BS. Even 200 seems unlikely. You've still not considered the questions I've feilded nor the one even I forgot to mention as to whether or not the woman who did go in for abortion or abortion counseling decided against rather than simply setting an appointment for another day (waiting periods) or if they did decide against it, how do you know they didn't simply do this of their own accord regardless of you harassers?
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 I sincerely did not mean it as B.S., if I had I would not have corrected my error and apologized.
I did answer your ques. The women who make up these numbers are in contact with the 40 Days for Life organization. This is how we know that they 1) were there for abortions, 2) turned away due to a "change of heart" rather than simply being intimidated 3) didn't come back or go to another provider 4) didn't later die.
Minxcomix 1 year ago
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juliewashere88 1 year ago
@Minxcomix Last I checked, pregnancy lasts more than 20 days. How do you know none of those women later has an abortion at that clinic, at another clinic or hospital, on their own, or didn't later suffer a complication of their pregnancy resulting in miscarriage/sillbirth or maternal mortality, considering these could all be future events?
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 I don't, nor do I claim I would know. But past experience for the 40DaysforLife org shows that would not be the case. However that is not why I presented the statement here. I presented the statement because of the title of this video.
If you have any more concerns about these women who acted upon their "right to choose" by choosing not to pay someone to destroy the unborn life growing within them, you can contact the 40daysforLife org. They would have more info then I.
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 If Minxcomix saved one child, then her efforts were worth it all. Instead of trying to dispute numbers, how about becoming a responsible parent and not killing your child?
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
@danceshadowmoon1 Don't be absurd. No children are being saved as no children are ever in any danger.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
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@Minxcomix
Last I checked, pregnancy takes more than 20 days. How do you know none of those 200 women either had an abortion another day/ had one somewhere else, had an unsafe abortion, or suffered a complication with their pregnancy, seeing as these could all be future events?
juliewashere88 1 year ago
Fortunately for more then a few young humans, I myself DO know of women who have turned away from an abortion clinic thanks to sidewalk counseling. Even if only one woman has had a change of heart in the whole history of a clinic due to a sidewalk counselor, that one life is so precious and valuable to society, that it would be worth a lifetime of sidewalk counseling. We would do it even for you, Nicholas, for yes we recognize your dignity as a human being from the moment of your conception also
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix "Sidewalk counseling." What a nice way to say harassing perfect strangers.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 It's what it is called Julie. Every women considering death for the human life growing within them should make that decision based on full and complete information. If it were your life about to be destroyed, wouldn't you want the person making the choice about your body, your life, to have full, complete information? I propose that if it were your own life about to end at the hands of an abortionist, you would not consider someone trying to save your life "harassing".
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix 1. No, it's called harassment, intimidation, and manipulation. 2. A fetus is only a human life in the same way as is a tumor. 3. Unlike me, fetuses can't want anything or be aware. 4. REAL clinics give real information. Street harassers don't. 5. It is not possible for me to be killed in an abortion, nor was it ever possible. I am a sentient being. I was never a fetus for the same reason I was never both sperm and an egg. 6. If you were really out to save lives you'd be pro-choice.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Am I to understand you correctly in your statements that it is your understanding of embrological science that the zygote/embryo/fetus is not human life?
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix No, you're not understanding my correctly. What I said is that a fetus is a human life in that it is living human tissue, like any other human tissue is, including, as I said, tumors.
What sets living human tissue apart from human beings (people) is sentience/sapience, which both tumors and fetuses (particularly those early enough in term to be removed) lack.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Are you telling me that it is your understanding that a tumor is a unique human individual with his/her own set of DNA just like a zygote is?
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix A tumor isn't an individual if you're trying to conflate the word with person. Neither is a fetus if this is the intended meaning.
And yes, tumors actually do have their own unique DNA, not that having unique DNA or not matters anyway.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 in response to your belief that a fetus is not an individual (you haven't taken the time to watch the YT vid have you? It's only 2 min long) : "Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history of the individual." Patten's Foundations of Embryology.
This is only one quote of innumerable ones Julie, since all embrological textbooks agree that this is fact
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix "I daresay that no competent biologist would take the position that these anti-choicers claim is universal among us." "Life does not begin at conception. It's an utterly nonsensical position to take." "Now this person wants a specific quote from a biology text that has the words "human life does not begin at conception" in it. That would be tough That would be tough..."
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@Minxcomix "..., because it's a sentence that rather boggles the brain of any developmental biologist — we also tend not to write sentences like, "human beings are not flies". We kind of expect that anyone intelligent enough to read the textbook doesn't need their hand held in superfluous explications of the bleedin' obvious."
Biologist Prof. PZ Myers.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 I am not familiar with Prof PZ Myers. I will look into his credentials. Do you have anymore quotes, specifically from textbooks, to discount the embryology textbooks that come right out and state that the life of a unique individual human, and some use the term human "being", starts at conception? Besides Patten's which I quoted here, "Essentials of Human Embryology", "Human Embryology & Teratology", "Langman's Medical Embryology" and countless others will need to be discounted
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@julie btw, I'm not asking you to provide me with a textbook that states "human life does not begin at conception", I'm asking you to provide me with proof that all these innumerable textbooks and world reknowned and respected scientists who say, clearly, that life DOES begin at conception are wrong.
Dr. Jerome Lejeune ("father" of modern genetics), Dr. Landrum Shettles("father" of IVF technology), Gordon, Hymie, M.D., F.R.C.P., Chairman of Medical Genetics, Mayo Clinic, Mary Calderone, M.D
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix As any 3rd-grader could tell you, you don't get life out of nowhere. The gametes are already alive and human before they ever meet. They are just as alive as the zygote they form. Life does not begin at conception, it's already present BEFORE IT.
Even among animals that reproduce sexually, some species are able to reproduce with unfertilized gametes. Yes, I know this doesn't work in humans, my point is gametes are already alive and members of their species.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 The spermatoza and ova are of human origin, but they are not human in themselves, they are not organisms, and are not "members" of the human species.
A zygote is a human organism and a member of the human species.
I am still interested in the citable sources I previously requested, expecially considering it will take more then a quote from an associate professor to make me believe that the "Fathers" of modern genetics and IVF techonology are 'incompetent' biologists
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix 1. Actually, gametes are human cells, even if they're haploid. A zygote is no more human just for being diploid. DNA isn't magic. A human being is not a singe-celled organism.
2. You mean a credible source besides Professor Myers, who, in the quote, explained why what you ask for isn't in text books? You can find history books with agendas that say Noah's flood actually happened. The fact that legitimate books don't explicitly say it didn't doesn't mean it was ever a real event.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 Do you honestly believe that this particular quote from Prof Myers is enough to convince one that "Langman's Medical Embryology" which is considered by many reputable experts in the field to be "The" textbook to have on the matter, is 'incompetent'? That the opinion of an associate prof will convince one that Dr. Shettles and other world esteemed scientists do not know what they are talking about?
With all due respect Julie, I need more if I am to dismiss such experts as these
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix As stated, life cannot begin at conception because life is already present. Some animals are haploid and grow to adulthood from a single gamete with fertilization never taking place.
It just happens that conception is a requirement for human reproduction, else the ovum would simply be washed away with menstrus. Conception is just one requirement of many. I would say that implantation is a more important one. That's when pregnancy actually begins.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 We are not talking generics here. The life of the unique human beings which each of us are begins at conception. This is a fact that is in embrology textbooks and affirmed by embryologists. I have provided you references of both. There are innumerable more.
This means that despite your personal belief on the matter, the fact is, you were, at the beginning of YOUR life, a zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, child, adolescent, etc. You were never however a sperm or ova.
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@Minxcomix It's not a mere personal belief that gametes are living cells. It's a fact. One that you ignore. I've never understood why antis ignore this. It's not as if I'm saying zygotes aren't alive. All I'm saying is that life didn't begin at conception but actually much earlier than that.
Actually, I was never a zygote-fetus for the same reason I was never a sperm. I, being an I, am and must be a sentient being. Without sentience, there is no me, just tissue. Nothing more.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere I'm not ignoring that spermatoza and ova are living human cells. I am denying that they are living human organisms. I am also denying that a zygote is no different in it's life then gametes, because the zygote, unlike the gametes, IS a living organism. The zygote is a MEMBER of the human species, whereas the gametes PARTS of members of the human species.
And according to "Patten's Foundations of Embryology" and other textbooks you indeed were a zygote
Please cite your sources.
Minxcomix 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 You continue to state that it is more then personal belief, that it is fact, yet you do not cite any source.
Why should anyone not ignore it, when we have so many reputable and respected sources which state otherwise?
Convince me Julie, with citations. Do you honestly believe that I should simply take your word for it with your only support being a quote of an opinion from an associate professor?
Minxcomix 1 year ago
You're awesome, thanks so much for the work you do!
juliewashere88 1 year ago
We just saved our 24th Baby! Outside an abortion Clinic. Our first baby (baby number 1) turned one year old on May 13th 2010. The twins that we saved will be turning One year old on September 21st 2010. So if you do not think women change their minds (usually because they are making an uninformed choice) you are wrong. Not one of these women is unhappy either. Although we have had many women who went through with their abortions who have told us they are unhappy. Abortion hurts women.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago 6
@bobbybrady8 "abortion hurts women." lmao abortion saved me.
lambchopclmt 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
Funny, I'm a clinic escort and I can't count how many times I've seen you sidewalk clowns high five each other and claim you saved a baby when a woman leaves a clinic after a short time and assume she decided agaisnt abortion when she really just picked up her birth control. Its very amusing when the woman takes the time to yell "I had a depo shot, morons!"
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 Well I have seen the actual babies. We have maternity homes that we place women in that cannot afford housing. We have centers that provide diapers food and clothing. I have seen the babies that have been saved. So you can clinic escort all day long. You do not see the babies because your side does not let them live. We only want to help women and children.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
We help women too, we don't see them as secondary to pre human tissue. Good for you if you help women who honestly want to carry to term but doing it through intimidation and harassment (what I see every time outside the clinic) is wrong. Our clinics also offer adoption referrals and low cost maternal care. We support all choices without judgement. We've had clients bring their babies to us for a visit and women some time after their termination procedures who come and hug us.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 There are some people with good intentions as sidewalk counselors. Good intentions do not make good actions. A person that yells at a mother 'baby killer' or something to that effect should not be out there. It is a very bad way to try to save a life. Women need care, they need to know that they are in a crisis pregnancy and what we try to do is take the 'crisis' out so the woman is just 'pregnant'. Men pressure women SOOO much to abort, it is very sad.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
I will agree with you on that, there are some of you outside clinics who I would say honestly care - but you guys seem to be far and few in between.
It is not necessarily that way. Many times I've seen cases where the man wants the pregancy carried to term.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 Anyone you will find in front of an abortion clinic honestly cares. They would not be there if they didnt. People that shout do not know a better way. There are PLENTY of better ways though. Yelling does not help. True some men want the child to be born but the MAJORITY of them have convinced the women that this is the best thing. I have talked to literally thousands of women. The stories I have heard are similar in that the men did not want the child. The women wanted support.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
Most of the ones I see likely would not care after the kid was born (common joke is pro lifers define life as conception through birth). There was a time I would have been in front of a clinic protesting. I was raised "pro life" myself - for naive reasons. I've heard from plently of women too since starting work with reproductive organizations, most of whom did not regret their abortions.
I'm curious, have you read the article "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion?"
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 I did not want to write you back until I had read that Article. I know have. I know tons of women that have had an abortion and none of them say it was a moral abortion. I have never met a pro life person that actually had an abortion that said it was moral. They are ashamed of what they had done. Were you raised Christian? Are you still? We do not look at life like that at all (pro lifer defining life). We like to stay in contact with the familes in case they need anything.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
Many women I know have no regets over their abortions. There is no "right" way to feel after the procedure. I get the feeling they wouldn't to share that with their anti choice friends. I have seen a few known anti-choice people come in for abortions and then act like nothing happened. More commonly younger ones come to us for their birth control or pap smears even though they still protest us - usually they try and hide their faces behind their posters to avoid being recognized.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 Ever heard of Norma McCorvey? She is known better by Jane Roe as in ROE VS WADE. She was once pro choice, even worked at an abortion clinic when it was made legal. She is now Pro Life as of about 1995.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
Course I do. And so what? I was formerly vehemently pro life and now am active with pro choice organizations and help escort at abortion clinics. Many of my fellow escorts were raised "pro life."
loner1878 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
To answer you question, I was raised very strictly catholic. I was anti-choice because I was told to be, I was fed the usual views and taught it was wrong no matter what. But I always doubted that particular teaching - what about rape? Incest? I became secretly pro-choice after finding real information and meeting people with different views. Many years later I became atheist (for different reasons). I still am atheist, and very happy to be one.
loner1878 1 year ago
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@loner1878 Ok so you were Catholic and now you are an atheist. So you believe that there is no God. Are you an atheist in the sense that you do not believe Jesus even existed or do you believe that he existed? What about the Virgin Mary? Just curious on your views as you were raised a strict Catholic. How bout yer Mum and Dad are they still Catholic? What do you define as 'real' information?
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
And I just noticed something in the comments - you claim its very sad that "men pressure women SOOO much to abort", yet at the same time you see nothing wrong with pressuring and coercing women to carry to term. How ironic.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 i do not pressure anyone. i do offer alternatives to abortion. i will give a woman the tools to take the 'crisis' out of 'crisis pregnancy' so that she can just be 'pregnant'. Most women are just looking for some help, they are scared. Where the abortion industry offers only two options 'with Anesthesia or without'. i offer a whole page of options over thirty. i only want to help women children and families. i do not come to hurt or condemn just to help.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
Nice piece of propaganda there. Virtually all abortion clinics have counselors who counsel women on all their options and offer support for each (parenting, abortion and adoption). I know many counselors who work in these clinics and they care very much for the women who come in. I am willing to believe you do want to help, but you have to face that many people on your side are very much about control and intimidation.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 You work for PP right? What is the adoption rate for PP in the USA? I do not want to control anyone.
And you never answered my atheist question......
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
I volunteer for PP. What do you mean by rate? Referrals? I don't have the stats on hand but I do know quite a few PP branches around the country are partners with adoption organizations and provide in-house adoption services.
Um, yes I did answer that question. I said I was an atheist in one of my earlier replies.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878 The Gutamacher institute has those. You should look at them. yes referrals.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago
@bobbybrady8
I look at Guttmacher's stuff quite a bit. But what was the relevancy of that point again?
loner1878 1 year ago
Hitler killed about 20 million people...Abortion has murdered over 50 million babies... You decide.
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
You are right daisyfuck...Abortion can't compare to Nazi concentration camps. Abortion is far worse. With aborton, babies are dissmembered while still alive or burned slowly to death with a salt solution. Over 50 million babies have died this horrible way. Even Hitler couldn't pull that off. Perhaps that is why we call abortion genocide you dumb ass.
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
@danceshadowmoon1 are you kidding me?
that has got to be the most offensive thing i've ever heard a pro lifer say, not to mention the most ignorant. I'll be sure to tell my great grandmother, a holocaust survivor exactly what you think about it vs abortion. Because i mean, obviously an unborn baby of whom has no memory or life expirience is MUCH more human that someone who has family, memories, can feel emotional pain has suffered loss...etc. God you disgust me.
lambchopclmt 1 year ago
@lambchopclmt You are offended by me comparing the abortion holocaust to the Nazi holocaust because the unborn babies have no life experience? How about the fact that they have a death experience applied by others in a horrible fashion, while idiots like yourself support it then? They would have a life experience if they were allowed to live dumbass. Genocide is Genocide, the Jews do not have exclusive rights to that title.
danceshadowmoon1 1 year ago
@danceshadowmoon1 I'm sorry but i just can't take yoou seriously when you seem forced to resort to cussing to get your point across. Are you 13?
lambchopclmt 1 year ago
I would like to thank this courageous escorts from this FANATICS
Howard Stern
HowardSternn 1 year ago
These so called "escorts" are DESPICABLE. They are fowl mouths who do nothing but harass pro life demonstrators who are peaceful protesting with in the law. One in Ann Arbor, MI "Bernie" he goes by is a bigoted atheist who says stuff that even offends pro choice planned parenthood customers for their Christian beliefs. Fuck you planned parenthood and these monsters you allow to volunteer for you.
bcmasta1returns 1 year ago
@bcmasta1returns Was the guy who killed Dr Tiller peaceful and protesting within the law too? If so called pro life people didn't attack and abuse these women who have the LEGAL right to have their abortions then they wouldn't need escorts outside clinics. By the way while you were reading this a few more starving children have died. So go sell your computer and send the money to help them if you care that much.
CanadianLulz 1 year ago
@CanadianLulz What, all five cases? Half not even at the clinic. Yea, maybe Roeder could have been stopped if Bernie wasn't out side screaming "priests rape boys" at me in front me in ear shot of my 7 year old brother, 6 year old sister, and pro choice Christian PP customer who was offended. When all I was doing was holding a fairly uncon. "Men regret lost Fatherhood sign".
bcmasta1returns 1 year ago
@bcmasta1returns You know its funny on this world wide video sharing site, I can find tones of Pro choice protesters, screaming, breaking signs, even hitting hard enough to draw blood. Yet not one video I can find of "caught on camera" footage of pro lifers acting the same way.
bcmasta1returns 1 year ago 2
@bcmasta1returns Why the hell would you have 6 and 7 year old children at a protest or a place where you know that sign is going to cause contraversy? That's probably not a good place for young children to be.
CanadianLulz 1 year ago
So Nicholas, you would have been alright with your mom aborting you? Let's be consistent here. Time to acknowledge your mom wasn't all-knowing after all and is on her way to hell with you hanging onto her apron strings. Repent!
FairandBalancedOne 1 year ago
3 or 4 hours a week! man your the best! notice how there is 150 of pro-life ppl and a few of you?
waylonsus 2 years ago
Thx for your service.
Howard Stern
HowardSternn 2 years ago
@HowardSternn - fu
computercomedynerd 1 year ago
T-U very much for your comments much appreciated.
1#Howard Stern
1#ABORTION
HowardSternn 1 year ago
Actually, he's and escort. See the vest?
juliewashere88 2 years ago
I'm disgusted. What is wrong with people?? This dude delights into ushering females into the pit of hell.
ladyEulaelie 2 years ago
He helps then though the gauntlet of anti-choice protests who show up to harass women and rob them of their reproductive rights.
It's only sad that escorts are even necessary.
juliewashere88 2 years ago
@juliewashere88
Yeah, women should be allowed to do what is currently legal without being harassed and physically threatened. That passes the limit of noble protest.
A passion is a strong and barely controllable emotion; none the less, it is controlled and people don't get harmed unnecessarily. I understand the passion of pro-lifers, but I could not imagine if my good friend, who had an abortion years ago and dearly...dearly regretted it, died or was assailed b/c of uncontrolled passion.
ladyEulaelie 2 years ago
@ladyEulaelie
Remember Slavery used to be legal. ALSO beating your wife used to be legal. Just because it is legal does not make it right and moral.
bobbybrady8 1 year ago 2
@bobbybrady8
You are ab-so-lute-ly right! I abhor abortion because its anti-woman. Slavery used to be legally right but it is and has always been morally wrong...just like abortion. Women are programed to believe that abortion is morally right b/c its our legal right. When I ask questions and have ppl break down what they believe and take invetnory of their beliefs, they have a hard time swallowing what they really believe....because they have been lied to and told what to believe.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago 7
@ladyEulaelie
I hate to see ignorance like yours in this day and age. Truly a tragedy. I grew up in a country where abortion was illegal, clearly you've had the luxury of never knowing what thats like.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878
I don't want to right to abort a baby for none medical reasons. That would be truly sick. What is it ignorant to not desire the right to have the private right to kill my baby?
But thank you for sharing your opinion.
Much love =)
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie
Then don't have an abortion. But you have no right to impose your mentality on another person who.
loner1878 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie
@ladyEulaelie
Then don't have an abortion. But you have no right to impose your mentality on another person when you don't know their story.
loner1878 1 year ago
@loner1878
Okay, that was wierd. Not sure why it double posted.
loner1878 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie How is abortion anti-woman? I suppose I've been brainwashed to believe that I am an independent human being who can make my own decisions regarding my reproductive life. I've been brainwashed into thinking that I can make my own moral judgements, when in reality I should just do what you tell me. Is that accurate?
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
What does independence have to do w/ the ability to decide if an innocent life should live or die and why can't women OWN take RESPONSIBILITY for their reproductive decisions to get pregnant??
You legally (not morally) have the "right" to make such poor judgment & carry it through only b/c your biological mother made a moral judgment to not blot you out of existence w/ a piece of Charman tissue or burn you alive while you were sucking ur thumb in her womb
Cont...
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Independence has everything to do with abortion. Independent human beings should be able to decide what to do with their bodies(good decisions or bad) and whether to reproduce or not. It is not a woman's "duty" to have babies.
As long as that innocent life is in my body, and can't survive outside, I am responsible for it. I decide it's fate. Until medical science develops and artificial womb, that's how things will remain.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Why do you restate ur position? Once again, what is your definition of independence?
If your def. of independence is the ability to live w/o the help of others or biological functions residing outside one's self, you should have a closer look at your logic. NO BABY that has been born can survive outside the womb w/o being heavily dependent on another life. If you support abortion 4 these reasons, why not protest the imprisonment of women who killed their babies?
cont.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
People should decide what they can do w/ their bodies but not to the extent that they alienate someone else's rights (saying its their right to rape someone or kill someone b/c they are doing what they want with their body) or interfere w/ their right to live.
Regrading the issue of it being a woman's duty to have babies....
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ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Did I ever say its every woman's purpose to have kids? Read between the lines. Don't twist my words to suit ur position simply b/c you want to avoid a deeper, meaningful discussion.
Bottom line: REAL WOMEN make it a DUTY to not coward away from THEIR choices. If a woman decides to have sex, its her DUTY to OWN THE RESULTS of HER choice...you know (or apparently don't know), like a REAL woman. Abortion is sexist and from my pov it's is a great example of machisma.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie I can have all the sex I want and I own my choice. I use birth control. The method I use is generally foolproof, but should it fail, I will get an abortion. It would not be responsible or right for me to bring a baby into the world right now. Am I to be celebate? Give me a break! Not even nuns are celebate these days.
How is abortion sexist?
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Sex is not just about you and your man's pleasure, there are other factors. Sex is so over rated and so is the modern day, feminist, brain. If you want an orgasm, why not buy a catalog full of toys of different sizes, shapes and colors and splurge, why participate in the only biological function that brings about conception? Condoms are not 100% but abstinence is. If you don't want a baby, you either remove your uterus or logically, you close your twat for business.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
I'm celibate. Look around, its not many but a lot of people hold high expectations for themselves and are celibate.
I do not judge you are anyone unlike myself, but I choose not have sex as an unmarried woman, b/c its a symbol of my purity. My marriage bed will be undefiled. I highly respect my body and the body of other individuals and I can not say that, if I condone the murder of innocent individuals w/o extreme cause, particularly if not due to a fault of their own.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Any time we hold expectations for one gender to meet the same requirements that is an obligation to both sexes, that is sexism. Our society holds a gender prejudice against men, that a man can not go unmarked as a deadbeat dad who evades his obligations as a MAN but a woman can calculate the death of her unborn baby ad go unmarked as a deadbeat mother and a person who has evaded her obligations as a WOMAN.
Abortion is a manifestation of sexism in many other ways as well.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie So because society is unfair to men, women should be dragged down too. Okay. I have a better idea: give equality and freedom to both sexes.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Nobody is dragging you down b/c ppl suggest you pull your panties up, & quit being a whore & take care of the kids you could have decided not to make. Its your vagina, so why don't you control what goes in it instead of killing your own sons & daughters...ur future lineage. Most abortions kill perfectly healthy individuals who are shorted memories, love, dreams, accomplishments...just life you were fortunate to experience b/c of selfish, self-serving ppl. Its not fair.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Fucker, if you are going to call me a whore this conversation is over. You don't have the right to judge anybody and neither do I. I am more upstanding than most people, and probably more than you are. There is nothing selfish about controlling what goes on in your own body. I wouldn't ask any man or woman to do something against their will. Maybe you should consider that.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
What you so angry about? Did I ever call you a whore? No. Are you a whore? Possibly. Idk you. But if you are, don't try to kick me with your boots just b/c they fit.
Abortion is not about your body...its about someone elses body. Again, this is not about you. This is about an innocent person who will die at the hands of another person who made a choice....A CHOICE to bring them here. Have you considered that being pro-choice starts with you refusing your body sex?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
I can't damn a person to hell but I sure can tell them what they are. If they do scummy things (rape, murder, molestation, beat their grandmother, kill their unborn kids b/c they simply don't want them but keep making them b/c they love sex but hate responsibility) they are scum. Thats not judging them...I'm just calling them by name.
I know some outstanding people in my personal life who I admire, and they had abortions. Having an abortion doesn't make you a whore.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
In my eyes, having an abortion doesn't make you a whore...having a one night stand doesn't make you a whore. Everyone makes mistakes.
Its when nothing else...even the life of your own son or daughter and your lineage means nothing to you above fulfilling your sexual pleasures. That is what makes a woman or a man a whore.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie As far as an individual having the "right" to not be killed, that is accurate. You have the right to live once you are born. Prior to birth you are not an individual yet, you are part of your mother's body. Your body is not your own until you can live without being a parasite. They way you talk it sounds like you think that once a woman is pregnanty she is nothing, it's only about the baby. And that CHOICE means only choosing not to have sex. In other words women have ONE choice.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Abortionists even refer to the fetus as a person. To say that an unborn baby is not a person, is not even argued about any more. Scientifically, the unborn baby is an individual.
Women make such an uproar about having the right to kill a "scientifically recognized individual" b/c that individual is in their bodies, yet they don't even have the right to kill their own body w/o out laws to intervene. By their own philosophy they should have that right, but they don't.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
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ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
It is scientifically incorrect to call a human fetus a parasite. A parasite is "a organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense."
No damage or disease is ordinarily caused to a woman just b/c she is pregnant.
An unborn baby is a non-person? That is absolutely frakin rediculous. That "non-person" was once everyone who ever lived the face of the earth. So tell me, when did you become a person?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Women endure lots of damage from pregnancy. The physical tole is enormous! Things are stretched, ripped and worn out. Hormones are screwed up; emotional and physical sickness occurs; the mother has to take in more nutrients to feed the growing organism inside her.
How does pregnancy not fit the definition of parasitism?
You can call something an individual or whatever you want, but as long as it lives at my expense, it's rights come after mine.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
A parasite's job is to benefit and survive while causing harm to its host. The unborn offspring of a human or any animal would never be considered a paraiste. Pregnacy is not a parasitic relationship between baby and mother.
The vagina is designed to be stretched. It stretches to accommodate the male organ during sex and to accommodate a baby moving through the birth canal. Yes, hormones get out of whack, but that is nothing a most women don't deal w/ every 2/3 weeks.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie Parasites and fetuses both cause considerable harm to their host/mother. I already explained that. Childbirth is the most stressful and dangerous thing an animal will ever do in it's lifetime. It's like diving off a cliff into the ocean.
And I don't get what is so bad about being "selfish". The only thing we can control is ourselves. It is only natural that that's what we should focus on.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Ahahaha! No, the body doesn't have built in biological functions designed to cause considerable harm to its self. An animal is meant to carry on its species through copulation and childbirth. You are a sissy of a female and I highly doubt that you'd believe its ok to be self-ish if you were the victim of someone focusing in on themselves.
You would never dare embarrass yourself or pro-choicers by saying some nonsense like that on TV. Yea, I think you're done.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie I wouldn't blame the person who was acting in their own best interest. How could I?
And no, of course child-birth is not intended to harm the mother, but it always does. Why should it matter how much? If a woman doesn't want a baby, she shouldn't have a baby. You seem to think you are entitled to judge people and tell them what they can and cannot do, the mark of th anti-choice fascist.
CamillaCalamity 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
I would applaud a person who is acting in their best interest but do you agree that sometimes a person doesn't make decisions that are in range of their best interest, especially when they are in a crisis situation? Like for example, a person might choose suicide or substance abuse and even though it would be their choice and no other person would be harmed by their decision but them, would it be the best choice?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
When female has sex, especially the 1st time, since her hymen may not be broken, their could potentially be a lot of pain, some tearing and bleeding. You wouldn't say that sex is "harming" her, unless the male intended to inflict pain, and cause bleeding and tearing.
So b/c Not everyone agrees with you, you throw a temper tantrum revolving around name calling?? I believe that ppl should talk about it and share ideas. I can learn from others. If we don't agree, thats ok.
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@CamillaCalamity
Lets say I'm flying my jet across the Atlantic to Europe. Mid trip I discover that their is an unwanted passenger on my plane. ITS YOU! You explain Your presence and it is found that you have done nothing wrong. If I wanted you off my plane anyway mid trip to Europe, would it be ok for me to eject you out of my jet simply b/c I don't want you in it (regardless of what the law states). In what why are you in the wrong and deserve to be evicted off my jet?
ladyEulaelie 1 year ago
@ladyEulaelie A plane