Where's your sources? Name one source besides the national review, weekly standard or fox, or the drudge report, newsmax, breitbart's blog, the New York Post. Oh that's right you don't have one because you pulled it out of your fucking ass!. Also being a socialist isn't a fucking crime. We have the right to our opinion just like you have the right to be a racist, jesus freak, gun toting, mouth breath, tea bagging fucktard!
@TravistheHuman It's not an insult, just a pathetic lie. There are barely any liberals left in the Democratic Party in D.C. and there are NO Socialists. The idea that leftie literature being distributed at the inauguration proves Obama is "Socialist" is IDIOCY. Do you think Obama spent his time reading every single zine in publication and approving some and not others?
There is ONE Democratic Socialist in D.C., Bernie Sanders, who is NOT in the Democratic Party.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Has he challenged Elizabeth Warren's statements yet? Besides, How many of them are from DC? Many many Democrats think Obama should move left. Income tax itself is not far from collective control of the means of production and collective rights over individual rights. The health care plan would lead to national control of health insurance.
I'm aware that many Dems are the equivalent of British LibDems, but there are millions of exceptions.
@TravistheHuman What "statements" should be "challenge"? Is Obama running for the Senate in Massachusetts?
Yes, many Democrats think he should move left, and he damn well SHOULD, he is another DLC centrist, another Clintonian moderate, the LAST thing we needed to happen to the Democratic Party.
It's preposterous to claim an income tax is "not far" from collective control, it's light years away. And how, pray tell, do you propose running our nation with no revenue? more
@TravistheHuman It's a despicable LIE to call collective control of the means of production "collective rights over individual rights", it doesn't violate ANYONE'S individual rights, it gives rights to ALL individuals instead of just those with all the money.
NO, the health care reform WOULD NOT lead to national control of health insurance, it did NOTHING to 'control' health insurance, unfortunately.
There are virtually NO Democrats following the LibDems agenda, which is a dirty shame.
@PrisonerNumber9653 H Clinton would not push Reps as hard as O did. "it doesn't violate ANYONE'S individual rights, it gives rights to ALL individuals instead of just those with all the money." hahahaha hahaha haha You have no idea what I talking about but know I know you are a statist. Gov HI would have the same effect as gov ed, makes the private option expensive. I meant to say US Dems are not as left as UK Labour. /watch?v=vTK59PZWKQ4
@TravistheHuman "Statist" is a bullshit term, and while Obama's reform plan is light years from "Government health care" you're right, it WOULD have the same effect as public education...it would say that this is NOT something only for the wealthy, but rather something that is a human right for EVERY PERSON, and make it accessible for EVERY PERSON. We should have universal health care, every single person has the right to see a doctor when sick or hurt.
@PrisonerNumber9653 See? You believe government can give people rights. You are statists. I don't mean that with emotion. It's a fact. I'm an individualist. I believe I have the same rights as everyone else and it doesn't matter if the government agrees or not. It's kinda cute that you don't care that education lacks market incentives to lower prices and raise quality when people can give a child a very good education at home with very little money. Tell me, what can't your government god solve?
@TravistheHuman Wrong. God gives people rights, government exists to enforce them and protect them. I am NOT a statist. You are absolutely NOT an individualist. Saying "everyone has equal rights" ain't worth SHIT if people can get away with ignoring that. Black people had the right to not be slaves from the beginning of time, it took government and a war to free them. Women always had the right to vote, they didn't get to exercise it until government stopped discrimination.
@TravistheHuman First off, it ain't your money. You have the right to as much as anyone else has.
And a government that was NOT of the people supported slavery, a government that was of the wealthy did that. Think it would have been around if blacks could vote and been seen as equals?
@TravistheHuman Fuck "market incentives", the idea that everything must be done with an eye towards profit is vomit. Education is a human right, it should be available to ANYONE, not just those with money. Depending on "market incentives" is the reason college costs are soaring.
You say you think someone can get a master's degree at home with little money? That's idiocy, as is the idea that a single mom who didn't finish high school could educate her kids at home.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Free markets lower cost and raise quality. We see this with food, something we would die without. Being done with an eye only one profits supports theft and lies and that is not what I'm talking about. That's what I think of the government.
Just because someone has a low education, it doesn't mean she can't find a better one form someone with a good reputation. If she sends her kid to a Detroit school he may most likely end up in prison. I'd pay.
@TravistheHuman Hogwash. Free markets do NOT lower costs, they lead to "charge as much as you can get away with." If "free markets" say you pay 80 bucks for something, even if it cost 12 cents to make, it's 80 bucks. Raise quality? My ass. Free markets have KILLED any hope for alternative fuels or raising mileage standards in automobile manufacturing and that's one of many examples. All free markets do with food is leave MILLIONS without enough of it.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Free markets is why everyone has a phone and why we use fiber phone lines instead of copper. why there is such a large middle and upper class and why food is so widely available. Don't expect government to solve the problems you listed.
@TravistheHuman First off, everyone does NOT have a phone. Secondly, if everyone DID have a phone and millions still didn't have enough to eat that's pretty fucking worthless. The middle class is shrinking and we do NOT have a "large upper class" we have about 2 percent of the people holding about 90% of the wealth, while 46 million live in poverty. Why do you IGNORE them and just look at the others?
EVERY problem I listed can not only be solved by government, that's the ONLY way they will.
@PrisonerNumber9653 it was a figure of speech but I saw a lot of cell phones in India. Cells are remarkably affordable, and profitable. Do you not know that where the mid are today is where the poor will be soon?
@TravistheHuman Hard to follow, if you're saying where the middle class are now is where the poor will be soon, you're off your rocker. The poor are getting POORER, not better off. Falling FURTHER behind. The poor aren't going to have a chance of being where the middle class is unless we change the system dramatically.
@TravistheHuman First off, everyone does NOT have a phone. Secondly, if everyone DID have a phone and millions still didn't have enough to eat that's pretty fucking worthless. The middle class is shrinking and we do NOT have a "large upper class" we have about 2 percent of the people holding about 90% of the wealth, while 46 million live in poverty. Why do you IGNORE them and just look at the others?
EVERY problem I listed can not only be solved by government, that's the ONLY way they will.
@TravistheHuman This blind hate of "government" is idiotic. Government need mean NOTHING but the joining together of people for the benefit of ALL. Hating it says "I care more about myself, screw other people." It puts your greed ahead of the human rights of other people.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I don't like other people telling me they know how I should live my life. A fare judicial system is necessary. Not should we tax everyone and give it to ethanol or nuclear.
@TravistheHuman You're wrong with this "telling me how I should live my life" bunkum. So far as you're not harming others, that's fine. I'm fine with a strong right to privacy, but hoarding property while others die isn't part of that. And I'm GREAT with no subsidies for ethanol and for a complete ban on all nuclear power, we SHOULD be subsidizing renewable resources. "I want our rights protected", great. "I want my rights, and screw everyone else's" is not.
@TravistheHuman This blind hate of "government" is idiotic. Government need mean NOTHING but the joining together of people for the benefit of ALL. Hating it says "I care more about myself, screw other people." It puts your greed ahead of the human rights of other people.
@TravistheHuman You think the government is "theft and lies" because they don't work for the people, they work for the wealthy, I'm talking about breaking that down to a government the people control, where EVERY person has an equal voice.
Someone with a good reputation? What the hell does that mean? Education beyond high school costs huge amounts of money, and there are thousands who want to go and cannot afford it, a terrible tragedy and waste.
@TravistheHuman Are you just stupid, or intentionally asking dumb questions? YES it means democracy, and you can "look at a teacher" all day long, if you can't afford tuition, you're screwed.
YES, people who go to college earn more, but that's far from the ONLY reason people ought to go to college. That we make it so expensive is just one of the COUNTLESS ways this society helps the rich get richer and keeps the poor right where they are, with no hope of doing any better, ever.
@PrisonerNumber9653 What if the will of the people is to form a tyrannical majority?
What would teachers found out me and a million other people couldn't afford to pay them?
What if the people who go to college earn more simple because they are the most likely to succeed when they graduate high school? Bill Gates dropped out of college.
Gates takes sand and turns it into something extremely valuable. He is justly rich, unlike the government.
@TravistheHuman I can't think of any more ways to make this clear--the majority does NOT have the right to oppress the minority. NO, the will of the people is NOT tyranny.
There's NOTHING justifiable about someone having billions of dollars while people are starving. The government is NEVER "rich", it doesn't have anything. When the government has resources going to PEOPLE that's far more just than what we have now. Far more.
The rest of your post seriously makes no sense at all. Jibberish.
@TravistheHuman Detroit schools are bad because they're underfunded. And the kids have a higher chance of going to prison because of poverty and the racism of our cops and "justice" system. Those kids were born every bit as intelligent and no more prone to crime than you are I. They're just as capable of achievement as you or I. But poverty, underfunded schools, racism and greed prevent them from seeing that potential realized.
@PrisonerNumber9653 So black homeschooled kids in Detroit are just as likely to end-up in prison? if the government gave all the education money to parents (or just didn't take it from people in the fist place) than they could easily find a better education than Detroit and have some money leftover.
@TravistheHuman Of course not, idiot...and you're living in another universe if you think a poor single mom who didn't graduate high school can homeschool. It's a lot of BULLSHIT to claim just giving money to the parents will lead to better education, it absolutely will NOT. It'll be a massive tax break for the wealthy, and leave the poor much, much further behind. It totally screws kids with disabilities, the ONLY way EVERY child has educational opportunity is with strong public education.
@PrisonerNumber9653 We also have black cops and and a failing public school system. We could spend in to oblivion but until we actually address the problems you will say I have no ideas and say keep spending more. /watch?v=XzvKyfV3JtE Yeah, call me an idiot. You're cute. And who cares if the government decides not to take some money, only as long as they cut spending? Also, can you tax the rich without taxing the poor?
@TravistheHuman That there are black cops does NOT change the overall racism of the police AND the "justice" system. Our public education system is NOT "failing", it is badly underfunded. We don't address the problems because of greed, because of this BULLSHIT about "spending into oblivion" we're not even vaguely CLOSE to that. We're the wealthiest nation in human HISTORY letting people die by pleading poverty.
You bet your ASS we can, and SHOULD tax the rich, not the poor.
@PrisonerNumber9653 The school could work but it's dysfunctional. Ben Carson was only able to pass it by pushing himself. The praise should go to his mother, not the state. I'm talking about getting better stuff at a lower cost. Now, how can you tax the rich without them passing the cost? People don't get rich by selling stuff only rich people want. Basically, all tax is theft. We shouldn't have any tax other than user fees.
@TravistheHuman You're wrong, the state DOES have a role in educating our young. I'm talking about opportunity for EVERY kid, and not just worrying about "lower cost", we're already harming another generation of kids by being too cheap to fund education properly. This idea that we let the rich hoard all the wealth of our nation because they might "pass along the cost" is idiocy. They've gotten tax cut after tax cut, have prices gone down? NO. This blackmail doesn't work.
@TravistheHuman People don't get rich selling stuff only rich people want? Are you KIDDING?? Mercedes-Benz? High end jewelers, Furriers? That list could go on all day.
We should have FAR more taxes, how the HELL do you propose educating our kids on "user fees"? Building roads? That's INSANE,we already have too little money to do the things we need, and you want to have much, much LESS? Just kill off all the poor?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Why dose Denmark out rank the US on education? Their system is more market based. They get better education at a lower cost. Canada has lower tax and it cut spending. What is wrong with shrinking government, the one thing that can take your rights. And yes, prices have gone down. We would see it better if Ben would stop printing money to give to the Wall st fat cats. the people who own chain stores are richer and the poor save money by using them. One example.
@TravistheHuman Denmark's schools are NOT "market based", education is provided free, AT COST TO THE PUBLIC, for the vast majority of kids. Denmark also does not have anywhere vaguely CLOSE to the poverty the US does. Canada cut programs, and saw homelessness and poverty jump. ALL these cuts take rights AWAY from people, THAT is what's wrong with "shrinking government", it harms the poor to help the rich, and that's exactly the OPPOSITE of what we should be doing. Chain stores are the PROBLEM.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Man, I wonder were you get your news. We can't show each other anything and you can't teach me any thing because you don't leave a good impression on me. Emotionalism won't work on a cautious left-brained libertarian. And by the way, you just described the housing bubble.
I once heard that a man went out in the woods with nothing but a camera and he built a cabin with a stone and cement fireplace. HOW COULD HE DO THAT WITHOUT GOVERNMENT!? Don't know but 30% is ours.
@TravistheHuman I get my news from a variety of credible sources, including the major newspapers and NPR. I don't have TV at my house. There's nothing "cautious" about libertarianism, it's based entirely on greed. Calling giving a damn about justice and equality "emotionalism" is at least at least far-fetched. I'm made angry by racism, that doesn't mean supporting racism is somehow logical and left-brained.
That's your answer to poverty? Tell children without enough to eat to go build a cabin?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh... So believing I have a right to keep what i make and NOT WANTING WHAT OTHERS MAKE means I'm greedy? Believing it is morally superior to ask for help than to use democracy? Believing that social justice gives the government the "right" to not only exploit the rich? The left is based on equality and harm reduction, the right is based on tradition and protection of familiar groups, but libertarianism is based on liberty. At least it is with ME.
@TravistheHuman Yeah, saying your luxuries are more important than the LIVES of other people is greedy. Seeing "what I make" as yours, rather than seeing the resources of this nation or world as OURS is. I'm not sure what the distinction is in "asking for help or using democracy". Yeah, social justice DOES make it the moral thing to do to have more equality in our economics, to not have hunger and homelessness in this incredibly wealthy nation. It's not "exploiting" the rich at all. more
@TravistheHuman I sharply disagree with this "libertarianism is based on liberty" crapola. Libertarianism is about greed. It's about "I don't care how much cutting this program will increase human suffering, I want my taxes cut." It's about "eliminating public education means millions will have no chance at even the most basic education? I don't care." It's about an opposition to vital, life-saving programs out of nothing but greed. It is NOTHING to do with liberty or freedom at all.
@PrisonerNumber9653 One we establish that government has a right to take property from one class we establish that it can take property from everyone. Yes it's socialism. I believe that the poor and rich have the same right to own property but in many of the poorest countries the poor are not protected. I hear charities are more effective. Yeah you can say I picked because of greed but you are the one counting other people's money.
@TravistheHuman First off, we've ALREADY established taxation in the constitution. It is NOT "taking property," taxes are the price we pay for living in this nation, and it's IMPOSSIBLE to even have a country without revenue. It's a pathetic, dangerous and stupid lie to call it 'socialism', it's nothing of the sort. You "heard" charities were more effective from selfish liars. They are NOT. I've spent my life in non-profit work, they cannot TOUCH the problem, government's the only way.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I've heard that something like 80% of the money that goes to charity helps the poor and bad charities get wiped out. Government is completely the opposite. You can say Ayn Rand was greedy, but Milton Friedman was convinced that big government is bad for the poor. Socialism is group ownership of the means of production. If the state takes the increase from individual pay or employer profit than we are assuming that the state owns any share of profit in the nation.
@TravistheHuman You heard? Where did you hear this? The fact is, if EVERY PENNY that went to charities AND CHURCHES was used to help the poor, it would not come vaguely CLOSE to meeting the need. This idea that the poor should have ONLY what the others decide to throw away, the crumbs left on the table, is horsecrap. I don't have to say Ayn Rand was greedy, she wrote a nearly unreadable book to try to convince EVERYONE to be greedy, to say that greed is really "liberty", which is bullshit.
@TravistheHuman Milton Friedman was convinced, oh, well, that's good enough for me.
Except, wait a minute...Friedman was a fucking idiot, I forgot. His claims about "bad for the poor" were INTENTIONAL lies in order to help the rich get away with even more theft.
The rest of your stuff, like so much you say, it also unreadable and incoherent. The people ARE THE STATE. You STILL have this moronic dittohead disease that "government" is this distant mad force we cannot control. It's the people.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Freedom is priceless and I doubt our government would ever be short of funds to defend it. It actually doesn't cost much, like food.
@TravistheHuman I'm sorry, no. You've said some pretty dumb things, but not even YOU can try to claim we're spending those trillions of dollars "defending freedom." It's been 199 years since we fought to defend our freedom, NOBODY has tried to take it away since. God KNOWS the people in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan that we drop death from the sky upon aren't, and God KNOWS the people we murdered in Vietnam and Korea were NOT. They aren't defending freedom. They're defending profit.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You mean they were defending their profit in the UN wars. I would give anything to keep freedom, thus preserve the republic, but I know we could keep the republic with 2% of what the government takes in now. Give them more and they take your freedom. I'm saying we don't need tax to pay the price of freedom.
@TravistheHuman That's absolutely asinine. 2 percent. Well, you just shut down every school, crumbled our roads and bridges into dust, killed millions with lack of health care services, and plenty more with zero food safety inspections. That's for those who aren't killed in plane crashes without an FAA. I don't even think cutting 98 percent of the military is remotely reasonable.
And, on top of that, you just created over 2 million MORE unemployed people. Wow will crime skyrocket...with no FBI.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah that's what they all say. You must know the libertarian response to that list of things the free-market handles well.
The government takes in about 18% of GDP and I sometimes figure they only need 2% of what everyone makes to function but it may be more like 5 to 10%. But if people might die because the government will need more money than the government will get it.
Cuba just laid off some government workers and told them to create jobs.
@TravistheHuman The free market doesn't handle anything well. Cuba's full of shit. We're ALREADY SEEING the suffering cuts to these programs cause, it's NOT "what they all say" it's DOCUMENTED FACT.
Tell me how the "Free market" handles preserving the environment. Tell me how it handles education of disabled kids.
It "handles" nothing, it exploits what it can to make money, and if it can't make money, they think it's not worth doing.
@PrisonerNumber9653 The free market lacks the "tragedy of the commons" has the protection of private property in the courts. Some disabled kids do go to private schools where the teachers are performance motivated.
I can't believe that what ever it is you believe in is not profit motivated. if you and all the uhh "liberals" had nothing then you would all make it. That is called profiting.
@TravistheHuman What a bunch of malarky. Capitalism is killing millions, and this "tragedy of the commons" crapola is STILL this pathetic pretense that our wealth will evaporate into nothingness unless we let 1% of our people hoard it all.
MOST disabled kids do NOT go to private schools, and many private schools send THEIR students to PUBLIC SCHOOL for their special ed classes. Private school teachers are NOT any more "performance motivated" than any other teacher. more
@TravistheHuman By "performance motivated" you seem to mean "paid based upon standardized test scores," which is a horribly stupid way to set teacher pay. Already FAR too much attention is paid to those damn tests.
I don't give a SHIT about profit, I care about human beings. That you cannot believe in ANYTHING that isn't "profit motivated" is a sickness.
And AGAIN you start babbling making no sense. "If you had nothing you would all make it." What the HELL is that supposed to mean?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Bad grammar, whatever. Because you care about people, you will ether individually profit or collectively profit. You will take raw materials and turn them into wealth.
@TravistheHuman You're right, though, on one thing. Food doesn't really cost much at all. We could, with a miniscule percentage of the money we waste on weapons and death, feed every person in the world every single day.
@TravistheHuman It would be overwhelmingly in the hands of the wealthy few. What IS your objection to the government? This blind, stupid hate of the government our founders created? Right wing hate radio's screamed about how horrible government is for so long I really wonder if any of you even pause to think about WHY for a millisecond. What, other than this 3-year-old style tantrum of "It's MINE! You can't have it!" is the problem?
@PrisonerNumber9653 Government money is under control? I also find it strange that you think only the few would be better off. New Hampshire is very similar to Maine but NH has lower tax, higher employment, and a higher average wage. It's easier to get rich in NH. Feel free to send a long letter to my inbox. Make a list of challenges wealth creation if you like. I'm going to make the video anyway, I might as well have a challenge that is longer than 3 1/2 dozen youtube comments.
@TravistheHuman When the government is run by the people you BET it's under control, what we have NOW with corporations running it isn't. And hell YES only the wealthy few will be better off under your insanity of eliminating nearly all government. New Hampshire has the lowest poverty rate in the nation, and STILL are being irresponsible (and watching child poverty on the rise) It's idiocy to compare New Hampshire to the rest of the nation, but it's NOT working even there.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You seem to think that government is everything- and that you (and I) can actually run it. The Founders purpose of government was only to protect our natural rights and allow other institutions to take care of everything else. After all, the state can't effective redistribute wealth. If one kept more than he needed because he was greedy then he simply would not work hard.
@TravistheHuman NO, I do NOT think "the government" is everything. It's nothing more than the people together. Health care, enough to eat, education, housing, these ARE our natural rights. This BULLSHIT that the founders intended Darwinian capitalism is not true. There's not ONE WORD about it in the constitution, there's NOTHING against socialism in the Declaration of Independence, either.
The state CAN effectively redistribute wealth. This CRAP that people "won't work hard" isn't true.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I also have a right to own a gun even when I don't need one, but I should only use my own money. Why should I use my own money when the Swiss government gives every Swiss man military weapons? National defense is a collective good. Any way, how is it an insult to call a Democrat a socialist?
@TravistheHuman Wrong. Unless you're in the National Guard you do NOT have an unrestricted "right" to own a gun. What on EARTH is this bunk about the Swiss? NO, the billions we waste on warmaking (not even CLOSE to "national defense") are NOT a collective good, they're a horrible evil against all mankind.
There are ZERO Democrats in DC who are socialist. Calling someone who ISN'T a socialist that, for the purpose of stirring up fear and hate, is insulting.
@PrisonerNumber9653 So I have a right to use other people's money to get a political science degree but I but I don't have a right to buy a gun with my own money without letting my town and any potential invaders know where it is? I'm not advocating US style national defense. I don't even go for Swiss style. My style would be cheaper than the Swiss but just as effective.
@TravistheHuman The two have NOTHING to do with one another. To use the wealth of society to educate people, which BENEFITS all society, is obviously the right thing to do which is why we have public schools (sadly we refuse to properly fund them). The "right to buy a gun and not let me town know where it is" does NOT include a right to buy weapons without registering them, or a right to buy a machine gun or leave a loaded weapon lying around for the kiddies to play with.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You try to tell me that you're not statist but you want to ban nuclear power and you don't believe in property rights (especially with guns) You seem to think the government is the best way to meet peoples needs and make renewable energy. You want to use a product of society to shape society. We both should be able to see how I am not a collectivist or a socialist. One who believes that the means of production should be owned by the collective.
@TravistheHuman And this "you think government can meet all our needs, squawk!" crapola, taken word for word from right wing hate radio, ignores that "government" is NOTHING MORE than the PEOPLE come together to meet the needs of all society. You're damn RIGHT it's the best way to establish renewable energy, this "profit uber alles" mindset is the reason it's not happened yet, we STILL have politicians falling over one another to kiss up to the oil industry for ONE REASON, campaign contributions
@TravistheHuman The means of production SHOULD be owned by the people. Giving it to private business is a disaster, killing millions and establishing not only a crushing poverty and inequality, but in greed giving us massive destruction of the environment and human rights.
@PrisonerNumber9653 A collectivist believes that rights come from being in a group, like the National Guard. The National Guard should get it's authority from us, so it dose not have any rights we don't have. Same with the entire government, and any group for that matter.
@TravistheHuman You just called every Supreme Court for over 200 years "collectivist." That "Well-regulated militia" referred to the National Guard has countless examples in Supreme Court ruling. It's MEMBERS do have rights that do not extend to individuals.
@TravistheHuman It's nowhere CLOSE to "easy to get rich" in the US. It's easy to STAY rich. Not get rich.
"Wealth creation" is bullshit. It's growing ALREADY EXISTING wealth. Challenges to wealth creation? What the hell are you babbling about now? You seriously spend about half your time saying stuff that needs English translation.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Big corp loves big gov. Why else do we have both right now? I don't listen to Rush and Levin. but I know what they are ranting about when it comes to corporate bailouts. To answer your question I ask if you like being told what to do? Obviously the economy forces us to participate but the government can takeover the economy. On this point needy people may not feel guilty when they use the government the same way big corps do. It seems that that is what government is for.
@TravistheHuman "Big Gov" is a right wing talking point, not reality. And NO, Big Corporations do NOT love it. If poverty were eliminated corporations would shit themselves, they'd no longer be able to exploit the poor to have slave labor.
There's nothing REMOTELY comparable to a corporation getting big fat tax writeoffs and a poor person feeding their family. It's NOT the same. At all.
@TravistheHuman And I am NOT "counting other peoples' money". This isn't FOR me, I'm doing fine. It's a sick mindset that thinks everyone's just in it for themselves. This is about helping others, not "counting money" to make myself better off.
And believe me, EVERYONE has noticed that the wealthy have far far more than their share. There's nothing wrong with noticing it, doing nothing ABOUT it is wrong.
@TravistheHuman Oh, GOOD! Because this mindless bullshit that the rich should get all the money because they "create jobs" (which is untrue) has NOBODY pointing it out. I'm sure this will be groundbreaking stuff.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Spock would agree with you on some issues but he would not make assumptions about me or call me names. That is why you won't change my mind. i know plenty of liberals and and others on the left but they aren't so hung-up on the dead issue of race, and they don't think I'm saying we should raise tax on the poor. We know what our talking points are and we know why the other sees things differently.
@TravistheHuman My God. You cannot POSSIBLY be so out of touch with reality as to think race is a "dead issue". What white person told you THAT shit? Even as state after state attacks the right to vote with "Voter ID" laws specifically designed to keep blacks and poor people away from the polls? Even as we've had an election STOLEN by keeping blacks from the polls within the last 15 years? Even with the racism rampant in just about every issue you could think of? Dead issue? Not even close.
@TravistheHuman I'm not aware of where I talked about "raising taxes on the poor," there were several ideas put forth here that would harm the poor, and I asked about "should we tax the poor, not the rich" or something like that. No, I don't think you want to raise taxes on the poor.
I don't do talking points though. Ever.
There's two separate issues on the "insults" thing. One is I tend to get into YouTube and respond to a lot of threads at once, and take some pretty ugly shots. more
@TravistheHuman And this is the same line of BS we've heard from the right since Reagan. "You can't tax the wealthy and corporations, it'll cost jobs and harm the poor." Sorry, no dice. It's led to massive cuts in programs for the needy, and we have FEWER jobs to show for it. The con's over. There were PLENTY of jobs when the tax rate on the wealthiest Americans was over 60%. A modest raise will NOT "kill non-gov jobs". Besides, the REAL job losses lately have been gov jobs, even worse to lose.
@TravistheHuman So I come in pretty pissed off at times and probably overreact a little to some things. Other things you've said WERE cause to be good and hot, but I do need to try more to deal with issues instead of the person.
As for the language, it's a protest on my part against the refusal of YouTube to enforce their rules on racism. I could show you videos on here that are outright recruitment for the Klan. Comments that amount to death threats. YouTube won't delete them, so I protest thus
@PrisonerNumber9653 Most people are able to build wealth from nothing. That would be an extreme measure but it would help people eat. If we continue down the road we are on, we will eat everything we have until we have nothing. Society won't let children starve but society is not government. Society contains many charities that are four times more cost effective than welfare and need to be to stay open. Yes, I do say to anyone who lives in the ghettos, life is so much better out here.
@TravistheHuman I am aware of Reason TV, I've seen their website, and it's a total load of bullshit. That Drew Carey uses his money to promote these vile ideas is really unfortunate, but...God bless free speech. Just looked at their site, they have a couple of things I'd probably agree with on drug law reform, a few that are generic "free market" crap which of course I do not agree with, and the shit about "school choice", real garbage. We have choice, they mean "vouchers," an awful awful idea.
@PrisonerNumber9653 We should cut spending on everything. Education is not a government issue anyway. It is a way for the government to mold children into loyalist. I'm sure Hitler supported government schools.
@TravistheHuman That's the biggest bunch of bullshit. We have DESPERATELY underfunded programs, we should spend MORE on education, MORE on helping the needy. The HELL education isn't a government issue, it's as important a thing as ANY we do. Molding children my ass, education isn't "molding loyalty" (except where the right's taken over schools, such as Texas)
Calling public education Hitleresque is the single most idiotic thing I think I've ever seen here. Just plain idiocy.
@TravistheHuman The basic idea behind public education is to give opportunity to learn to EVERY child, regardless of disability, race, religion, sex, economic status...you're saying that sounds like the Nazis??
Socialist , Communist piles of shit when the SHTF they will be facing the barral of a gun when they think that they can come take our food and guns!!!
I can't believe we have so many assholes like this in our country? WTF???>>>Has the world turned upside down? Am I insane? We should put them ALL on rafts and boot em all to Cuba and let "Castro" and his brother "assist" them like we had to do for their folks in the early 80's-maybe then they can learn the "great" things about "socialism" with a gun to their head!..What total LOSERS!!! Fuckin leeches! GOD???I'm really fuckin stunned by this-TRULY STUNNED!
round them up, clean up all universities and colleges that are being allowed to teach this Anti-American way and the abuse of these haters. these are who our fathers fought and killed for our freedoms. they lay in the graves screaming for the Us = USA to take them OUT
How is obama socialist? Do you know what socialism is? These ppl are not even close to being the main influences of the democratic party. I usually support democratic politicians (not always), and I am an obama supporter, but I sure as hell don't subscribe to socialism.
@eldiablo10028 you're living in a dream world. Don't you know that Obama belonged to the Socialist party? That many in his administration are Communists? If it wasn't so sad, I'd laugh of your ignorance.
@mgman71 bullshit! i call bullshit. what if the rich are just thieves... i don't mean the people with over 100,000,000. i mean the people who charge us intrest to use their mony that says USA on it. what if we take their wealth and give it to the million airs and the starving dregs? sounds good to me.
@Idolcruisefix You don't agree that lenders should make money? You must be nuts. Banks take huge risks lending large sums of money so people can buy cars and houses and you expect them do to that for free and take the full loss in event of default. Yea ok. What do you think rich people do with their money? Keep it under their bed? No, they invest it. Investment creates working capitol for business to create more JOBS.
@mgman71 It also sounds good to you because your probably a lazy bum who wont get a job and think that you should be taken care of by the taxpayer. Taking from the better off will create less jobs or even downsize as there will be no incentive for them to work. Why work for nothing if the government is just going to give it all away.
@mgman71 i don't agree that the united states of america needs to pay interest on their paper money, and neither did Lincoln or JFK. they both tried to make money that is backed by objects, not the word of a cloak and dagger organization. not having a central bank issuing money is as american as the constitution.
@kelleyclip We are supposed to be one nation under G-d. However history tends to repeat itself and clandestine deals by disreputable Chicago mobsters is nothing new. In a deposition in 1999 in Arizona attorneys Franks and Cook that the United States was not the United States nor Canada nor Mexico. The deposition was at the same time as the estate of me DECEASED was being created at Firstar Bank. (there are other records meant to be me dead too). Zenadev my co linked to Bank One Obamas mobsters.H
@TheHigherVoltage well, if God's fictitious as you say...then how do you know he doesn't care ?! . . good work genius ! :- } ** Nice babbling with you. **
@TheHigherVoltage "fictitious ideas can't do anything"... I agree ! That's why I'm ignoring your ideas ! :- } Hey, lets cut out this bickering & sing ...I have a Good One !!!...Ready ?!.. GOD BLESS AMERICA, LAND THAT I LOVE. STAND BESIDE HER & GUIDE HER...
WOW- how can this douche bag keep lying about not being a leftist, when his base is full of rabid dog socialists? He is a liar, and anyone, no matter what political "party" you belong to who is NOT a socialist should rebuke these PARASITICAL FOOLS in Nov at the polls. These ppl are the BANE of society
It's kind of hard for Obama to keep saying he doesn't believe in socialism, when his own supporters do this crap. Every time they do stupid shit like this, they just put another nail in his coffin.
If socialism is so great, how come the people of Venezuela are doing everything they can to try to limit Chavez's power? I guess those that have to actually live under it aren't that pleased with the results...
We are going to crush their dreams, and take away their free hand-outs. We are going to keep our property and our liberty, and relish their squeals of lamentation over our righteously claimed freedom.
Patriots and adults had their rally on August 28, 2010 with Glenn Beck. Traitors, race hustlers, half-wits, and lost adult-children had their rally yesterday. The choice for our future was never more clear. I heard this morning about the trash on the mall and was wondering was this during the rally or afterwards? They exhibit Communism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism and a few other isms depending on what they want at that moment. Gotta call ‘em as I see ‘em, and progressive just does not fit.
my god everybody, we have seen the true faces of the socialist anti american scumbags in this video.
i bet if socialism happened here in america , these assholes in the video will be begging for capitalism fast !!!!!!!! and these socialist assholes worship president obama( if you want to call him a president) are fucking idiots!!!!!
@kelleyclip From your mouth to G-d's ears. I just wish that Obama would resign now so that we could have a new president elected lawfully on November 2nd with the already in motion midterms. IT IS POSSIBLE. Obama is just a crooked attorney moneylaundering the fraudulent estate of me deceased. I AM NOT DEAD. I did marry a man 30 years ago who has been manipulating in the departments of the treasuries of both Canada and the United States for way too long now Global. Honey Siegal (victim of FRAUD)h
@quaffer22 Yes agreed. You know what they say about shining a light on a criminal... It makes them freeze. And that looks like what the liberal left is doing... In comparison to the 'right' that is in these days leading up to the midterm election...
Where's your sources? Name one source besides the national review, weekly standard or fox, or the drudge report, newsmax, breitbart's blog, the New York Post. Oh that's right you don't have one because you pulled it out of your fucking ass!. Also being a socialist isn't a fucking crime. We have the right to our opinion just like you have the right to be a racist, jesus freak, gun toting, mouth breath, tea bagging fucktard!
Newenlightenmentnow 4 months ago
Wow! I can call Democrats Socialist without insulting them!
TravistheHuman 6 months ago
@TravistheHuman It's not an insult, just a pathetic lie. There are barely any liberals left in the Democratic Party in D.C. and there are NO Socialists. The idea that leftie literature being distributed at the inauguration proves Obama is "Socialist" is IDIOCY. Do you think Obama spent his time reading every single zine in publication and approving some and not others?
There is ONE Democratic Socialist in D.C., Bernie Sanders, who is NOT in the Democratic Party.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Has he challenged Elizabeth Warren's statements yet? Besides, How many of them are from DC? Many many Democrats think Obama should move left. Income tax itself is not far from collective control of the means of production and collective rights over individual rights. The health care plan would lead to national control of health insurance.
I'm aware that many Dems are the equivalent of British LibDems, but there are millions of exceptions.
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman What "statements" should be "challenge"? Is Obama running for the Senate in Massachusetts?
Yes, many Democrats think he should move left, and he damn well SHOULD, he is another DLC centrist, another Clintonian moderate, the LAST thing we needed to happen to the Democratic Party.
It's preposterous to claim an income tax is "not far" from collective control, it's light years away. And how, pray tell, do you propose running our nation with no revenue? more
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman It's a despicable LIE to call collective control of the means of production "collective rights over individual rights", it doesn't violate ANYONE'S individual rights, it gives rights to ALL individuals instead of just those with all the money.
NO, the health care reform WOULD NOT lead to national control of health insurance, it did NOTHING to 'control' health insurance, unfortunately.
There are virtually NO Democrats following the LibDems agenda, which is a dirty shame.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 H Clinton would not push Reps as hard as O did. "it doesn't violate ANYONE'S individual rights, it gives rights to ALL individuals instead of just those with all the money." hahahaha hahaha haha You have no idea what I talking about but know I know you are a statist. Gov HI would have the same effect as gov ed, makes the private option expensive. I meant to say US Dems are not as left as UK Labour. /watch?v=vTK59PZWKQ4
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman "Statist" is a bullshit term, and while Obama's reform plan is light years from "Government health care" you're right, it WOULD have the same effect as public education...it would say that this is NOT something only for the wealthy, but rather something that is a human right for EVERY PERSON, and make it accessible for EVERY PERSON. We should have universal health care, every single person has the right to see a doctor when sick or hurt.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 See? You believe government can give people rights. You are statists. I don't mean that with emotion. It's a fact. I'm an individualist. I believe I have the same rights as everyone else and it doesn't matter if the government agrees or not. It's kinda cute that you don't care that education lacks market incentives to lower prices and raise quality when people can give a child a very good education at home with very little money. Tell me, what can't your government god solve?
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman Wrong. God gives people rights, government exists to enforce them and protect them. I am NOT a statist. You are absolutely NOT an individualist. Saying "everyone has equal rights" ain't worth SHIT if people can get away with ignoring that. Black people had the right to not be slaves from the beginning of time, it took government and a war to free them. Women always had the right to vote, they didn't get to exercise it until government stopped discrimination.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Ahh. How much of my money do I have a right to keep? And you forget that in the South the government supported slavery.
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman First off, it ain't your money. You have the right to as much as anyone else has.
And a government that was NOT of the people supported slavery, a government that was of the wealthy did that. Think it would have been around if blacks could vote and been seen as equals?
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman Fuck "market incentives", the idea that everything must be done with an eye towards profit is vomit. Education is a human right, it should be available to ANYONE, not just those with money. Depending on "market incentives" is the reason college costs are soaring.
You say you think someone can get a master's degree at home with little money? That's idiocy, as is the idea that a single mom who didn't finish high school could educate her kids at home.
We are the government.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Free markets lower cost and raise quality. We see this with food, something we would die without. Being done with an eye only one profits supports theft and lies and that is not what I'm talking about. That's what I think of the government.
Just because someone has a low education, it doesn't mean she can't find a better one form someone with a good reputation. If she sends her kid to a Detroit school he may most likely end up in prison. I'd pay.
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman Hogwash. Free markets do NOT lower costs, they lead to "charge as much as you can get away with." If "free markets" say you pay 80 bucks for something, even if it cost 12 cents to make, it's 80 bucks. Raise quality? My ass. Free markets have KILLED any hope for alternative fuels or raising mileage standards in automobile manufacturing and that's one of many examples. All free markets do with food is leave MILLIONS without enough of it.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Free markets is why everyone has a phone and why we use fiber phone lines instead of copper. why there is such a large middle and upper class and why food is so widely available. Don't expect government to solve the problems you listed.
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman First off, everyone does NOT have a phone. Secondly, if everyone DID have a phone and millions still didn't have enough to eat that's pretty fucking worthless. The middle class is shrinking and we do NOT have a "large upper class" we have about 2 percent of the people holding about 90% of the wealth, while 46 million live in poverty. Why do you IGNORE them and just look at the others?
EVERY problem I listed can not only be solved by government, that's the ONLY way they will.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 it was a figure of speech but I saw a lot of cell phones in India. Cells are remarkably affordable, and profitable. Do you not know that where the mid are today is where the poor will be soon?
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman Hard to follow, if you're saying where the middle class are now is where the poor will be soon, you're off your rocker. The poor are getting POORER, not better off. Falling FURTHER behind. The poor aren't going to have a chance of being where the middle class is unless we change the system dramatically.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
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@TravistheHuman First off, everyone does NOT have a phone. Secondly, if everyone DID have a phone and millions still didn't have enough to eat that's pretty fucking worthless. The middle class is shrinking and we do NOT have a "large upper class" we have about 2 percent of the people holding about 90% of the wealth, while 46 million live in poverty. Why do you IGNORE them and just look at the others?
EVERY problem I listed can not only be solved by government, that's the ONLY way they will.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman This blind hate of "government" is idiotic. Government need mean NOTHING but the joining together of people for the benefit of ALL. Hating it says "I care more about myself, screw other people." It puts your greed ahead of the human rights of other people.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I don't like other people telling me they know how I should live my life. A fare judicial system is necessary. Not should we tax everyone and give it to ethanol or nuclear.
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman You're wrong with this "telling me how I should live my life" bunkum. So far as you're not harming others, that's fine. I'm fine with a strong right to privacy, but hoarding property while others die isn't part of that. And I'm GREAT with no subsidies for ethanol and for a complete ban on all nuclear power, we SHOULD be subsidizing renewable resources. "I want our rights protected", great. "I want my rights, and screw everyone else's" is not.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
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@TravistheHuman This blind hate of "government" is idiotic. Government need mean NOTHING but the joining together of people for the benefit of ALL. Hating it says "I care more about myself, screw other people." It puts your greed ahead of the human rights of other people.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman You think the government is "theft and lies" because they don't work for the people, they work for the wealthy, I'm talking about breaking that down to a government the people control, where EVERY person has an equal voice.
Someone with a good reputation? What the hell does that mean? Education beyond high school costs huge amounts of money, and there are thousands who want to go and cannot afford it, a terrible tragedy and waste.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 What dose that even mean? Democracy?
if i were looking for a teacher, I'd look at their record. Now they say that people how go to collage earn more. why is that?
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 What dose that even mean? Democracy?
if i were looking for a teacher, I'd look at their record. Now they say that people how go to collage earn more. why is that?
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman Are you just stupid, or intentionally asking dumb questions? YES it means democracy, and you can "look at a teacher" all day long, if you can't afford tuition, you're screwed.
YES, people who go to college earn more, but that's far from the ONLY reason people ought to go to college. That we make it so expensive is just one of the COUNTLESS ways this society helps the rich get richer and keeps the poor right where they are, with no hope of doing any better, ever.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 What if the will of the people is to form a tyrannical majority?
What would teachers found out me and a million other people couldn't afford to pay them?
What if the people who go to college earn more simple because they are the most likely to succeed when they graduate high school? Bill Gates dropped out of college.
Gates takes sand and turns it into something extremely valuable. He is justly rich, unlike the government.
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman I can't think of any more ways to make this clear--the majority does NOT have the right to oppress the minority. NO, the will of the people is NOT tyranny.
There's NOTHING justifiable about someone having billions of dollars while people are starving. The government is NEVER "rich", it doesn't have anything. When the government has resources going to PEOPLE that's far more just than what we have now. Far more.
The rest of your post seriously makes no sense at all. Jibberish.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
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TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman Detroit schools are bad because they're underfunded. And the kids have a higher chance of going to prison because of poverty and the racism of our cops and "justice" system. Those kids were born every bit as intelligent and no more prone to crime than you are I. They're just as capable of achievement as you or I. But poverty, underfunded schools, racism and greed prevent them from seeing that potential realized.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 So black homeschooled kids in Detroit are just as likely to end-up in prison? if the government gave all the education money to parents (or just didn't take it from people in the fist place) than they could easily find a better education than Detroit and have some money leftover.
TravistheHuman 5 months ago
@TravistheHuman Of course not, idiot...and you're living in another universe if you think a poor single mom who didn't graduate high school can homeschool. It's a lot of BULLSHIT to claim just giving money to the parents will lead to better education, it absolutely will NOT. It'll be a massive tax break for the wealthy, and leave the poor much, much further behind. It totally screws kids with disabilities, the ONLY way EVERY child has educational opportunity is with strong public education.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman and homeschooled or not, a black person IS more likely to end up in prison. We have racist cops and a racist "justice" system.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 We also have black cops and and a failing public school system. We could spend in to oblivion but until we actually address the problems you will say I have no ideas and say keep spending more. /watch?v=XzvKyfV3JtE Yeah, call me an idiot. You're cute. And who cares if the government decides not to take some money, only as long as they cut spending? Also, can you tax the rich without taxing the poor?
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman That there are black cops does NOT change the overall racism of the police AND the "justice" system. Our public education system is NOT "failing", it is badly underfunded. We don't address the problems because of greed, because of this BULLSHIT about "spending into oblivion" we're not even vaguely CLOSE to that. We're the wealthiest nation in human HISTORY letting people die by pleading poverty.
You bet your ASS we can, and SHOULD tax the rich, not the poor.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 The school could work but it's dysfunctional. Ben Carson was only able to pass it by pushing himself. The praise should go to his mother, not the state. I'm talking about getting better stuff at a lower cost. Now, how can you tax the rich without them passing the cost? People don't get rich by selling stuff only rich people want. Basically, all tax is theft. We shouldn't have any tax other than user fees.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman You're wrong, the state DOES have a role in educating our young. I'm talking about opportunity for EVERY kid, and not just worrying about "lower cost", we're already harming another generation of kids by being too cheap to fund education properly. This idea that we let the rich hoard all the wealth of our nation because they might "pass along the cost" is idiocy. They've gotten tax cut after tax cut, have prices gone down? NO. This blackmail doesn't work.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman People don't get rich selling stuff only rich people want? Are you KIDDING?? Mercedes-Benz? High end jewelers, Furriers? That list could go on all day.
We should have FAR more taxes, how the HELL do you propose educating our kids on "user fees"? Building roads? That's INSANE,we already have too little money to do the things we need, and you want to have much, much LESS? Just kill off all the poor?
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Why dose Denmark out rank the US on education? Their system is more market based. They get better education at a lower cost. Canada has lower tax and it cut spending. What is wrong with shrinking government, the one thing that can take your rights. And yes, prices have gone down. We would see it better if Ben would stop printing money to give to the Wall st fat cats. the people who own chain stores are richer and the poor save money by using them. One example.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman Denmark's schools are NOT "market based", education is provided free, AT COST TO THE PUBLIC, for the vast majority of kids. Denmark also does not have anywhere vaguely CLOSE to the poverty the US does. Canada cut programs, and saw homelessness and poverty jump. ALL these cuts take rights AWAY from people, THAT is what's wrong with "shrinking government", it harms the poor to help the rich, and that's exactly the OPPOSITE of what we should be doing. Chain stores are the PROBLEM.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Man, I wonder were you get your news. We can't show each other anything and you can't teach me any thing because you don't leave a good impression on me. Emotionalism won't work on a cautious left-brained libertarian. And by the way, you just described the housing bubble.
I once heard that a man went out in the woods with nothing but a camera and he built a cabin with a stone and cement fireplace. HOW COULD HE DO THAT WITHOUT GOVERNMENT!? Don't know but 30% is ours.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman I get my news from a variety of credible sources, including the major newspapers and NPR. I don't have TV at my house. There's nothing "cautious" about libertarianism, it's based entirely on greed. Calling giving a damn about justice and equality "emotionalism" is at least at least far-fetched. I'm made angry by racism, that doesn't mean supporting racism is somehow logical and left-brained.
That's your answer to poverty? Tell children without enough to eat to go build a cabin?
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Oh... So believing I have a right to keep what i make and NOT WANTING WHAT OTHERS MAKE means I'm greedy? Believing it is morally superior to ask for help than to use democracy? Believing that social justice gives the government the "right" to not only exploit the rich? The left is based on equality and harm reduction, the right is based on tradition and protection of familiar groups, but libertarianism is based on liberty. At least it is with ME.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman Yeah, saying your luxuries are more important than the LIVES of other people is greedy. Seeing "what I make" as yours, rather than seeing the resources of this nation or world as OURS is. I'm not sure what the distinction is in "asking for help or using democracy". Yeah, social justice DOES make it the moral thing to do to have more equality in our economics, to not have hunger and homelessness in this incredibly wealthy nation. It's not "exploiting" the rich at all. more
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman I sharply disagree with this "libertarianism is based on liberty" crapola. Libertarianism is about greed. It's about "I don't care how much cutting this program will increase human suffering, I want my taxes cut." It's about "eliminating public education means millions will have no chance at even the most basic education? I don't care." It's about an opposition to vital, life-saving programs out of nothing but greed. It is NOTHING to do with liberty or freedom at all.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 One we establish that government has a right to take property from one class we establish that it can take property from everyone. Yes it's socialism. I believe that the poor and rich have the same right to own property but in many of the poorest countries the poor are not protected. I hear charities are more effective. Yeah you can say I picked because of greed but you are the one counting other people's money.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman First off, we've ALREADY established taxation in the constitution. It is NOT "taking property," taxes are the price we pay for living in this nation, and it's IMPOSSIBLE to even have a country without revenue. It's a pathetic, dangerous and stupid lie to call it 'socialism', it's nothing of the sort. You "heard" charities were more effective from selfish liars. They are NOT. I've spent my life in non-profit work, they cannot TOUCH the problem, government's the only way.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I've heard that something like 80% of the money that goes to charity helps the poor and bad charities get wiped out. Government is completely the opposite. You can say Ayn Rand was greedy, but Milton Friedman was convinced that big government is bad for the poor. Socialism is group ownership of the means of production. If the state takes the increase from individual pay or employer profit than we are assuming that the state owns any share of profit in the nation.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman You heard? Where did you hear this? The fact is, if EVERY PENNY that went to charities AND CHURCHES was used to help the poor, it would not come vaguely CLOSE to meeting the need. This idea that the poor should have ONLY what the others decide to throw away, the crumbs left on the table, is horsecrap. I don't have to say Ayn Rand was greedy, she wrote a nearly unreadable book to try to convince EVERYONE to be greedy, to say that greed is really "liberty", which is bullshit.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman Milton Friedman was convinced, oh, well, that's good enough for me.
Except, wait a minute...Friedman was a fucking idiot, I forgot. His claims about "bad for the poor" were INTENTIONAL lies in order to help the rich get away with even more theft.
The rest of your stuff, like so much you say, it also unreadable and incoherent. The people ARE THE STATE. You STILL have this moronic dittohead disease that "government" is this distant mad force we cannot control. It's the people.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Ahh! I don't think I've ever heard that!
At some point you should come out as a collectivist.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Freedom is priceless and I doubt our government would ever be short of funds to defend it. It actually doesn't cost much, like food.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman I'm sorry, no. You've said some pretty dumb things, but not even YOU can try to claim we're spending those trillions of dollars "defending freedom." It's been 199 years since we fought to defend our freedom, NOBODY has tried to take it away since. God KNOWS the people in Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan that we drop death from the sky upon aren't, and God KNOWS the people we murdered in Vietnam and Korea were NOT. They aren't defending freedom. They're defending profit.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You mean they were defending their profit in the UN wars. I would give anything to keep freedom, thus preserve the republic, but I know we could keep the republic with 2% of what the government takes in now. Give them more and they take your freedom. I'm saying we don't need tax to pay the price of freedom.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman That's absolutely asinine. 2 percent. Well, you just shut down every school, crumbled our roads and bridges into dust, killed millions with lack of health care services, and plenty more with zero food safety inspections. That's for those who aren't killed in plane crashes without an FAA. I don't even think cutting 98 percent of the military is remotely reasonable.
And, on top of that, you just created over 2 million MORE unemployed people. Wow will crime skyrocket...with no FBI.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yeah that's what they all say. You must know the libertarian response to that list of things the free-market handles well.
The government takes in about 18% of GDP and I sometimes figure they only need 2% of what everyone makes to function but it may be more like 5 to 10%. But if people might die because the government will need more money than the government will get it.
Cuba just laid off some government workers and told them to create jobs.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman The free market doesn't handle anything well. Cuba's full of shit. We're ALREADY SEEING the suffering cuts to these programs cause, it's NOT "what they all say" it's DOCUMENTED FACT.
Tell me how the "Free market" handles preserving the environment. Tell me how it handles education of disabled kids.
It "handles" nothing, it exploits what it can to make money, and if it can't make money, they think it's not worth doing.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 The free market lacks the "tragedy of the commons" has the protection of private property in the courts. Some disabled kids do go to private schools where the teachers are performance motivated.
I can't believe that what ever it is you believe in is not profit motivated. if you and all the uhh "liberals" had nothing then you would all make it. That is called profiting.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman What a bunch of malarky. Capitalism is killing millions, and this "tragedy of the commons" crapola is STILL this pathetic pretense that our wealth will evaporate into nothingness unless we let 1% of our people hoard it all.
MOST disabled kids do NOT go to private schools, and many private schools send THEIR students to PUBLIC SCHOOL for their special ed classes. Private school teachers are NOT any more "performance motivated" than any other teacher. more
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman By "performance motivated" you seem to mean "paid based upon standardized test scores," which is a horribly stupid way to set teacher pay. Already FAR too much attention is paid to those damn tests.
I don't give a SHIT about profit, I care about human beings. That you cannot believe in ANYTHING that isn't "profit motivated" is a sickness.
And AGAIN you start babbling making no sense. "If you had nothing you would all make it." What the HELL is that supposed to mean?
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Bad grammar, whatever. Because you care about people, you will ether individually profit or collectively profit. You will take raw materials and turn them into wealth.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman You're right, though, on one thing. Food doesn't really cost much at all. We could, with a miniscule percentage of the money we waste on weapons and death, feed every person in the world every single day.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 True, and more people would farm without the fear of war. But what if the government didn't have that money in the first place?
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman It would be overwhelmingly in the hands of the wealthy few. What IS your objection to the government? This blind, stupid hate of the government our founders created? Right wing hate radio's screamed about how horrible government is for so long I really wonder if any of you even pause to think about WHY for a millisecond. What, other than this 3-year-old style tantrum of "It's MINE! You can't have it!" is the problem?
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Government money is under control? I also find it strange that you think only the few would be better off. New Hampshire is very similar to Maine but NH has lower tax, higher employment, and a higher average wage. It's easier to get rich in NH. Feel free to send a long letter to my inbox. Make a list of challenges wealth creation if you like. I'm going to make the video anyway, I might as well have a challenge that is longer than 3 1/2 dozen youtube comments.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman When the government is run by the people you BET it's under control, what we have NOW with corporations running it isn't. And hell YES only the wealthy few will be better off under your insanity of eliminating nearly all government. New Hampshire has the lowest poverty rate in the nation, and STILL are being irresponsible (and watching child poverty on the rise) It's idiocy to compare New Hampshire to the rest of the nation, but it's NOT working even there.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You seem to think that government is everything- and that you (and I) can actually run it. The Founders purpose of government was only to protect our natural rights and allow other institutions to take care of everything else. After all, the state can't effective redistribute wealth. If one kept more than he needed because he was greedy then he simply would not work hard.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman NO, I do NOT think "the government" is everything. It's nothing more than the people together. Health care, enough to eat, education, housing, these ARE our natural rights. This BULLSHIT that the founders intended Darwinian capitalism is not true. There's not ONE WORD about it in the constitution, there's NOTHING against socialism in the Declaration of Independence, either.
The state CAN effectively redistribute wealth. This CRAP that people "won't work hard" isn't true.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I also have a right to own a gun even when I don't need one, but I should only use my own money. Why should I use my own money when the Swiss government gives every Swiss man military weapons? National defense is a collective good. Any way, how is it an insult to call a Democrat a socialist?
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman Wrong. Unless you're in the National Guard you do NOT have an unrestricted "right" to own a gun. What on EARTH is this bunk about the Swiss? NO, the billions we waste on warmaking (not even CLOSE to "national defense") are NOT a collective good, they're a horrible evil against all mankind.
There are ZERO Democrats in DC who are socialist. Calling someone who ISN'T a socialist that, for the purpose of stirring up fear and hate, is insulting.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 So I have a right to use other people's money to get a political science degree but I but I don't have a right to buy a gun with my own money without letting my town and any potential invaders know where it is? I'm not advocating US style national defense. I don't even go for Swiss style. My style would be cheaper than the Swiss but just as effective.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman The two have NOTHING to do with one another. To use the wealth of society to educate people, which BENEFITS all society, is obviously the right thing to do which is why we have public schools (sadly we refuse to properly fund them). The "right to buy a gun and not let me town know where it is" does NOT include a right to buy weapons without registering them, or a right to buy a machine gun or leave a loaded weapon lying around for the kiddies to play with.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 ahh you are cute. Crime is low in my state and we make Texas look like CA.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You try to tell me that you're not statist but you want to ban nuclear power and you don't believe in property rights (especially with guns) You seem to think the government is the best way to meet peoples needs and make renewable energy. You want to use a product of society to shape society. We both should be able to see how I am not a collectivist or a socialist. One who believes that the means of production should be owned by the collective.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman And this "you think government can meet all our needs, squawk!" crapola, taken word for word from right wing hate radio, ignores that "government" is NOTHING MORE than the PEOPLE come together to meet the needs of all society. You're damn RIGHT it's the best way to establish renewable energy, this "profit uber alles" mindset is the reason it's not happened yet, we STILL have politicians falling over one another to kiss up to the oil industry for ONE REASON, campaign contributions
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman The means of production SHOULD be owned by the people. Giving it to private business is a disaster, killing millions and establishing not only a crushing poverty and inequality, but in greed giving us massive destruction of the environment and human rights.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 A collectivist believes that rights come from being in a group, like the National Guard. The National Guard should get it's authority from us, so it dose not have any rights we don't have. Same with the entire government, and any group for that matter.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman You just called every Supreme Court for over 200 years "collectivist." That "Well-regulated militia" referred to the National Guard has countless examples in Supreme Court ruling. It's MEMBERS do have rights that do not extend to individuals.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 XD
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman It's nowhere CLOSE to "easy to get rich" in the US. It's easy to STAY rich. Not get rich.
"Wealth creation" is bullshit. It's growing ALREADY EXISTING wealth. Challenges to wealth creation? What the hell are you babbling about now? You seriously spend about half your time saying stuff that needs English translation.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Big corp loves big gov. Why else do we have both right now? I don't listen to Rush and Levin. but I know what they are ranting about when it comes to corporate bailouts. To answer your question I ask if you like being told what to do? Obviously the economy forces us to participate but the government can takeover the economy. On this point needy people may not feel guilty when they use the government the same way big corps do. It seems that that is what government is for.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman "Big Gov" is a right wing talking point, not reality. And NO, Big Corporations do NOT love it. If poverty were eliminated corporations would shit themselves, they'd no longer be able to exploit the poor to have slave labor.
There's nothing REMOTELY comparable to a corporation getting big fat tax writeoffs and a poor person feeding their family. It's NOT the same. At all.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman And I am NOT "counting other peoples' money". This isn't FOR me, I'm doing fine. It's a sick mindset that thinks everyone's just in it for themselves. This is about helping others, not "counting money" to make myself better off.
And believe me, EVERYONE has noticed that the wealthy have far far more than their share. There's nothing wrong with noticing it, doing nothing ABOUT it is wrong.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 For some time, I've been thinking about making a video called "wealth creation" I will reply to this comment in a week or two.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman Oh, GOOD! Because this mindless bullshit that the rich should get all the money because they "create jobs" (which is untrue) has NOBODY pointing it out. I'm sure this will be groundbreaking stuff.
Wake me when it's over.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Okay ;D
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Spock would agree with you on some issues but he would not make assumptions about me or call me names. That is why you won't change my mind. i know plenty of liberals and and others on the left but they aren't so hung-up on the dead issue of race, and they don't think I'm saying we should raise tax on the poor. We know what our talking points are and we know why the other sees things differently.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman My God. You cannot POSSIBLY be so out of touch with reality as to think race is a "dead issue". What white person told you THAT shit? Even as state after state attacks the right to vote with "Voter ID" laws specifically designed to keep blacks and poor people away from the polls? Even as we've had an election STOLEN by keeping blacks from the polls within the last 15 years? Even with the racism rampant in just about every issue you could think of? Dead issue? Not even close.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Blacks won't make of brake an election in my state and everyone is poor.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman What does "make of brake" mean? And NO, nowhere CLOSE to "everyone is poor." Not even vaguely close.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman I'm not aware of where I talked about "raising taxes on the poor," there were several ideas put forth here that would harm the poor, and I asked about "should we tax the poor, not the rich" or something like that. No, I don't think you want to raise taxes on the poor.
I don't do talking points though. Ever.
There's two separate issues on the "insults" thing. One is I tend to get into YouTube and respond to a lot of threads at once, and take some pretty ugly shots. more
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Killing non-gov jobs would harm the poor.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman And this is the same line of BS we've heard from the right since Reagan. "You can't tax the wealthy and corporations, it'll cost jobs and harm the poor." Sorry, no dice. It's led to massive cuts in programs for the needy, and we have FEWER jobs to show for it. The con's over. There were PLENTY of jobs when the tax rate on the wealthiest Americans was over 60%. A modest raise will NOT "kill non-gov jobs". Besides, the REAL job losses lately have been gov jobs, even worse to lose.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman So I come in pretty pissed off at times and probably overreact a little to some things. Other things you've said WERE cause to be good and hot, but I do need to try more to deal with issues instead of the person.
As for the language, it's a protest on my part against the refusal of YouTube to enforce their rules on racism. I could show you videos on here that are outright recruitment for the Klan. Comments that amount to death threats. YouTube won't delete them, so I protest thus
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 /watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4&feature=mh_lolz&list=FL3fHbQizBuE_B2ObOM1Zrfg
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Most people are able to build wealth from nothing. That would be an extreme measure but it would help people eat. If we continue down the road we are on, we will eat everything we have until we have nothing. Society won't let children starve but society is not government. Society contains many charities that are four times more cost effective than welfare and need to be to stay open. Yes, I do say to anyone who lives in the ghettos, life is so much better out here.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Ever watch reason TV?
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman I am aware of Reason TV, I've seen their website, and it's a total load of bullshit. That Drew Carey uses his money to promote these vile ideas is really unfortunate, but...God bless free speech. Just looked at their site, they have a couple of things I'd probably agree with on drug law reform, a few that are generic "free market" crap which of course I do not agree with, and the shit about "school choice", real garbage. We have choice, they mean "vouchers," an awful awful idea.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 We should cut spending on everything. Education is not a government issue anyway. It is a way for the government to mold children into loyalist. I'm sure Hitler supported government schools.
TravistheHuman 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman That's the biggest bunch of bullshit. We have DESPERATELY underfunded programs, we should spend MORE on education, MORE on helping the needy. The HELL education isn't a government issue, it's as important a thing as ANY we do. Molding children my ass, education isn't "molding loyalty" (except where the right's taken over schools, such as Texas)
Calling public education Hitleresque is the single most idiotic thing I think I've ever seen here. Just plain idiocy.
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
@TravistheHuman The basic idea behind public education is to give opportunity to learn to EVERY child, regardless of disability, race, religion, sex, economic status...you're saying that sounds like the Nazis??
PrisonerNumber9653 4 months ago
you'll notice most of these people are fat....it's probably from eating of too much of that government-issue cheese.
psgugrad 8 months ago
sometimes a roasting tells more about the creators than about the supposed target(s).
zobielamouche1 1 year ago
DEATH to the NWO!!!!
MrSlyRedFox 1 year ago
Socialist , Communist piles of shit when the SHTF they will be facing the barral of a gun when they think that they can come take our food and guns!!!
MrSlyRedFox 1 year ago
I'm sure all these people shit bricks when Obama just signed the bill extending tax cuts to the rich.
Frink14 1 year ago
"competition is a sin" david rockafeller
Idolcruisefix 1 year ago
We must enforce term limits at the voting booth. It will reduce PACs' buying political influence and pay backs with our money. franklinlacy
franksolutions 1 year ago
I can't believe we have so many assholes like this in our country? WTF???>>>Has the world turned upside down? Am I insane? We should put them ALL on rafts and boot em all to Cuba and let "Castro" and his brother "assist" them like we had to do for their folks in the early 80's-maybe then they can learn the "great" things about "socialism" with a gun to their head!..What total LOSERS!!! Fuckin leeches! GOD???I'm really fuckin stunned by this-TRULY STUNNED!
TheStaticage01 1 year ago
round them up, clean up all universities and colleges that are being allowed to teach this Anti-American way and the abuse of these haters. these are who our fathers fought and killed for our freedoms. they lay in the graves screaming for the Us = USA to take them OUT
beyondalohas 1 year ago
DON'T VOTE FOR OBAMA ON 2012! IF YOU DO,YOU WILL START A COMMUNIST REVOLUTION!!!!
lovatolover8201992 1 year ago
How is obama socialist? Do you know what socialism is? These ppl are not even close to being the main influences of the democratic party. I usually support democratic politicians (not always), and I am an obama supporter, but I sure as hell don't subscribe to socialism.
eldiablo10028 1 year ago
@eldiablo10028 you're living in a dream world. Don't you know that Obama belonged to the Socialist party? That many in his administration are Communists? If it wasn't so sad, I'd laugh of your ignorance.
barbaro52 1 year ago
Eventually the proof is in the pudding...Liberals show what they are when they are surrounded by thier 'own'. This is sickening.
Pattycakessmiles 1 year ago 2
Taking from the rich will make the poor poorer
mgman71 1 year ago
@mgman71 Yes, and sadly thats how it works.
JayJayhope 1 year ago
@mgman71 bullshit! i call bullshit. what if the rich are just thieves... i don't mean the people with over 100,000,000. i mean the people who charge us intrest to use their mony that says USA on it. what if we take their wealth and give it to the million airs and the starving dregs? sounds good to me.
Idolcruisefix 1 year ago
@Idolcruisefix You don't agree that lenders should make money? You must be nuts. Banks take huge risks lending large sums of money so people can buy cars and houses and you expect them do to that for free and take the full loss in event of default. Yea ok. What do you think rich people do with their money? Keep it under their bed? No, they invest it. Investment creates working capitol for business to create more JOBS.
mgman71 1 year ago
@mgman71 It also sounds good to you because your probably a lazy bum who wont get a job and think that you should be taken care of by the taxpayer. Taking from the better off will create less jobs or even downsize as there will be no incentive for them to work. Why work for nothing if the government is just going to give it all away.
mgman71 1 year ago
@mgman71 i don't agree that the united states of america needs to pay interest on their paper money, and neither did Lincoln or JFK. they both tried to make money that is backed by objects, not the word of a cloak and dagger organization. not having a central bank issuing money is as american as the constitution.
Idolcruisefix 1 year ago
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@mgman71 "Taking from the rich will make the poor poorer"
that's gotta be the dumbest statement I've ever heard.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@kelleyclip We are supposed to be one nation under G-d. However history tends to repeat itself and clandestine deals by disreputable Chicago mobsters is nothing new. In a deposition in 1999 in Arizona attorneys Franks and Cook that the United States was not the United States nor Canada nor Mexico. The deposition was at the same time as the estate of me DECEASED was being created at Firstar Bank. (there are other records meant to be me dead too). Zenadev my co linked to Bank One Obamas mobsters.H
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 year ago
This just looks like someone copied all the anti-liberal propaganda from FOX and took it to a rally.
Bleuski 1 year ago
You have GOT TO BE SHITTING ME. Are these people INSANE ?
WulfBand 1 year ago
I'm glad they're coming out of their "Closet"...We need to see them for who they are !!!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
ROCKnJUSA 1 year ago
@ROCKnJUSA God doesn't give a flying magical fuck about America.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage ...Shove it...ASSHOLE !! : )
ROCKnJUSA 1 year ago
@ROCKnJUSA Once again...your fictional God doesn't give a flying magical fuck about America...He's fictional.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage well, if God's fictitious as you say...then how do you know he doesn't care ?! . . good work genius ! :- } ** Nice babbling with you. **
G O D B L E S S A M E R I C A !
ROCKnJUSA 1 year ago
@ROCKnJUSA fictitious ideas can't do anything. that's how I know. it shouldn't take a genius to figure that out.
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago
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ROCKnJUSA 1 year ago
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@TheHigherVoltage "fictitious ideas can't do anything"... I agree ! That's why I'm ignoring your ideas ! :- } Hey, lets cut out this bickering & sing ...I have a Good One !!!...Ready ?!.. GOD BLESS AMERICA, LAND THAT I LOVE. STAND BESIDE HER & GUIDE HER...
I Love That One !!!
RocknjU S A !!!!
ROCKnJUSA 1 year ago
@TheHigherVoltage Also, I'd like to add..GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
Have a Nice Day.......ASSHOLE !!!!!!!!!
ROCKnJUSA 1 year ago
WOW- how can this douche bag keep lying about not being a leftist, when his base is full of rabid dog socialists? He is a liar, and anyone, no matter what political "party" you belong to who is NOT a socialist should rebuke these PARASITICAL FOOLS in Nov at the polls. These ppl are the BANE of society
blkmanhatesobama01 1 year ago 3
KEEP BIG CORPORATIONS STRONG.... I like my stocks going up. Love the fact that I only pay 1/2 the tax rate these slobs pay when working for a living.
Screw people that have to work for a living.
Capitalism makes suckers out of these dopes.
TheAerialbomb 1 year ago
Great video. Fucking communist cocksuckers.
BigBadTestilicus 1 year ago 4
the freaks have arrived
Roachenator 1 year ago
It's kind of hard for Obama to keep saying he doesn't believe in socialism, when his own supporters do this crap. Every time they do stupid shit like this, they just put another nail in his coffin.
If socialism is so great, how come the people of Venezuela are doing everything they can to try to limit Chavez's power? I guess those that have to actually live under it aren't that pleased with the results...
zTiamaTz 1 year ago
@zTiamaTz Check this video out. It's quite cathartic
watch?v=kl7P1kXuRfQ
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
We are going to crush their dreams, and take away their free hand-outs. We are going to keep our property and our liberty, and relish their squeals of lamentation over our righteously claimed freedom.
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@QuartuvLarry ...Well said !!
Wrmach pro.
wrmach 1 year ago
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Patriots and adults had their rally on August 28, 2010 with Glenn Beck. Traitors, race hustlers, half-wits, and lost adult-children had their rally yesterday. The choice for our future was never more clear. I heard this morning about the trash on the mall and was wondering was this during the rally or afterwards? They exhibit Communism, Marxism, Socialism, Fascism and a few other isms depending on what they want at that moment. Gotta call ‘em as I see ‘em, and progressive just does not fit.
dkkght46 1 year ago
great song great video, too bad it's for real and not phony
bette1122 1 year ago
Thank you for posting this video. GOOD JOB! 5/5
1Cactusprick 1 year ago
my god everybody, we have seen the true faces of the socialist anti american scumbags in this video.
i bet if socialism happened here in america , these assholes in the video will be begging for capitalism fast !!!!!!!! and these socialist assholes worship president obama( if you want to call him a president) are fucking idiots!!!!!
long live capitalism!!!!!!
battalion19822 1 year ago
No surprise here.
davidrjin 1 year ago
WOW That's fuckin scary. Where the fuck is my gun?
74brooklynboi 1 year ago
Look at all these commies. Its so disgusting its not even funny! All these poor misguided fools will get crushed under their own ideologies.
LovesMassEffect 1 year ago
Socialists=Communists! Anti-American, Traitors to Independence!
All just wanting to suckle off the tit of hard working Americans!
Hey, COMys get off my tit!
TheFoxFollower 1 year ago
While Obama stirs his pot of Hate . . . these guys have their hands out!
joekiddone 1 year ago
What would you expect from these leeches?
They're money has Obama on it!
joekiddone 1 year ago
For a moment I thought I was back on the college campus of 1968.
fliegeroh 1 year ago
we dont need Lieing Leaders, we need Mass-Movements
marvelstryfe 1 year ago
@kelleyclip From your mouth to G-d's ears. I just wish that Obama would resign now so that we could have a new president elected lawfully on November 2nd with the already in motion midterms. IT IS POSSIBLE. Obama is just a crooked attorney moneylaundering the fraudulent estate of me deceased. I AM NOT DEAD. I did marry a man 30 years ago who has been manipulating in the departments of the treasuries of both Canada and the United States for way too long now Global. Honey Siegal (victim of FRAUD)h
HoneySiegalSurvivor 1 year ago
Anyone for the Conservatives, Republican, Independent, and or Tea Party SHOULD be sharing this video like wildfire...
2222554 1 year ago 11
@2222554
TRUE !!
They have been emboldened to venture into broad daylight.
Thanks Obama. We needn't wonder who they are any more.
Now, we see them first-hand.
quaffer22 1 year ago
@quaffer22 Yes agreed. You know what they say about shining a light on a criminal... It makes them freeze. And that looks like what the liberal left is doing... In comparison to the 'right' that is in these days leading up to the midterm election...
2222554 1 year ago