@FatJesusSD Zeitgeist: Moving Forward is the most important film I have ever watched. It has completely changed the way I look at the world, and has opened up a bright future for humanity for me.
I think everyone on the planet should watch that film, and judge it for themselves.
The reason we have money is because most of us are always thinking 'whats in it for me'. In a world where love not selfishness is the prime motivation we would serve each other selflessly & do what we love to do. In such a world money could not exist. If we want to be a part of the solution we have to stop charging each other like prostitutes. Otherwise, although we appear to profit in the short term, we really only end up enslaving ourselves.
@waste0fspais machines, computers. you want something, you could go to a distribution center in the city, order it and in no time flat you get it because the order is carried out by robots.
@warobsessive aka Marxism, or Platonic dictatorship, humans need motivation to actually do stuff u no and we havent come up with a better way to reward people for labour and success then money, human beings aren't equal u no some of us are lazy and stupid, what exactly do u think would motivate kids to learn and excel in school if everything is made magicly by robots and u can get wateva u need? What would drive society forward? This is a fantasy world they advocate and o yea the nwo dont exist.
@waste0fspais 3 Laziness is a symptom caused by the many monotonous jobs people are coerced into to meet their needs. Once people's needs are met, they can expand in more areas of education because they aren't being distracted by the struggle to obtain their necessities. Education/creation itself would be the motivation because we understand that the more educated we are, the better we can contribute and improve upon things in society for the benefit of EVERYBODY, including yourself.
@waste0fspais 2 equal because they are "stupid/lazy," who is to say said people cannot be educated or guided to overcome that ignorance? Once we have been educated enough in the understanding that earth and its resources are essential to EVERYONES survival, and that it is in our best interest to manage them as strategically as possible in order to provide each human being with the necessities of life, we will be able to willingly alter our values in accordance to that basic understanding.
@waste0fspais 1 You can give labels you want, but you arent addressing the actual data being presented. If youre referring to incentive, that rewards via money is the best motivation for creating something, that is far from the truth. Some of the greatest contributions in our society did not come from the motivation of money, but rather the creation itself. Its not money itself that you want, its the materials and or resources you can receive through money. In regards to human beings not being
@whatthefunk5 I think you should look at the history of Peter Joseph and Jaque Fresco, they were born as middle-class people. I don't think they are Zionist NWO shills, like Al Gore and others are.
I do agree that Israel/ ZIonist involvement in 9/11 is ignored in Zeitiest, but the problem is, if Peter did point out the Jewish involvement in the NWO, it would appear racist. Many people would see the movement as attacking Jews and the Jewish media would destroy the image of the movement.
@VitaminsAndPiss And yet him pointing out all of the U.S.'s flaws in this, is the same concept if he would have said the Jews had a hand in it. the movement attacks the monetary system, and the way we are going now. "its not perfect, its just a lot better then what we have now." -J. fresco.
@whatthefunk5 Money doesn't work because it forces people to work for money to buy food and to shelter ourselves. In a resource based economy, everyone gets a fair share of the worlds resources, no one is left out. We have enough natural resources to abolish hunger and poverty many times over. We could achieve total world peace and all you can think about is "Will weed be legal in a resource based economy?" Think about that while your firing up your next bong.
@TTUsucks88 As long as they do not use petrol or fossil fuels, then sure thing. They recently flew a plane for a day and a night safely that solely used solar power - how amazing would that be to fly?
@whatthefunk5 wow, pissed off much? I think it sounds pretty good to me, and atleast hes trying. Beats the fuck outta capitalism. smoke some weed and fuck up.
Jacques Fresco is the ultimate elitist. And the whole Zeitgeist movement is SHADY AS FUCK! Arrogant narrow minded wannabie rulers of the world. Why doesn't the Zeitgeist movement actually DO anything? Like pursue a freedom of information court case to release the CCTV footage of the Pentagon being attacked? Cause they're fake ass shiting bitches, who show you some twisted truth, distorted just enough to suit them and to warp your mind, then don't even act on their "EVIDENCE".
WHY DON'T THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT ACT ON THEIR "EVIDENCE" AND START TAKING PEOPLE TO COURT? I'm sure you have enough people and evidence to back you up. So why don't you do something about it? Because maybe you're actually on the other side? And controlling and distorting what people should know? Possibly, I find this quite reasonable, there's nothing to say it's not reasonable. They had to release SOMETHING after 'Loose Change'. So they begin with a scathing attack on Jesus. The original hippy.
I definitely would NOT consider Jacques Fresco as being one of the greatest minds in history. That accolade would have to go to the legendary Bill Hicks. Or Arthur C. Clarke. Or Mother Teresa maybe? When has Jacques Fresco ever helped out the poor, sick and dying? Jacques Fresco shit's on all forms of religion. Jacques Fresco thinks religious (spiritual) people are idiots, spewing bullshit in every direction. A lot are, but he fails to see the underlying message of tolerance, peace and empathy.
Our society at the moment is what we've come to at the present time. We're better off than we were in the stone age, the middle ages or the 1850's (see THE IRISH HOLOCAUST, & you'll know why Irish people are spread all over the world, we had to leave our country or die). We're in 2010 now and things can get so much better! We need to take control of the banks first. Look at what the French are doing for 7th of December! And invest ALL our taxes in solar (see HERE COMES THE SUN VPRO) and research
He try's his best to make modern day people feel like they are insignificant, and that the buildings they are currently living in are all shit. This is just not the case, we can build now with various materials to produce houses and buildings which actually produce their own energy and supply the grid. Fresco's designs are just sci-fi designs. Sure they're possible, but how are you gonna build a city over-night? Knock down a whole city and build a new one? Or a mass emigration to a new city?
He chose not to answer that, or talk about new energy technologies, in favour of attacking religion, saying "strictly bullshit" over and over again. Now, I know that organized religion is a joke, and that Jesus may in fact have been a magic mushroom (see film "know your mushroom"), but Jacques Fresco doesn't acknowledge anything but his own narrow view of a doomed mankind, because they wont put all his wild ideas into action. Start small, bit by bit, and stop trying to make people feel like...
@LazyTranslator I went to see Jacques Fresco in Dublin when he visited. We were in a small meeting with about 10 people, so we could Q&A. Although he's quite an intelligent man, he's also dismissive of nearly everything in modern society as we know it. Including language for some bizzare reason. I asked him if he expects people to demolish their current houses to build the futuristic city on? Or will the masses all emigrate leaving their areas and homes behind? He completely ignored that comment
Hugo Chavez is just another pig methinks. Venezuela has the 4th highest oil reserves in the world, and Chavez is in control of them. Yet the population are incredibly poor. So he set up a few soup kitchens, big deal. He's still sitting on a goldmine. Where's the Dubai of Venezuela? Also, Jacque Fresco is living in fantasy sci-fi land. Notice how Zeitgeist never mention Nikola Tesla? Or Cold Fusion LENR? Google- BANK OF IRELAND DARRELL O DEA for the complete solution to the "banking crisis"
@whatthefunk5 "Notice how Zeitgeist never mention Nikola Tesla? Or Cold Fusion LENR?" So what? You think he isn't aware this? What are you trying to say by pointing out this negligible fact? You say fresco is "living in sci fi fantasy land". What does that even mean? Basically, shut your fucking mouth when it comes to this guy. Your pathetic youtube criticisms on one of the greatest minds in history makes me nauseous.
@fattybastard2000 Ohh- Not Really!!! a R.B.economy is a system that which all goods and services are available without the use of Money,credits or debts. Which means( No centralizing of Power) No N.W.O
watch zeitgeist (2) addendum. its a 2 hr film. the second half they talk about the venus project and how to implement a resource based economy. than watch zeitgeist activists guide. the movies are all free.can be found on google video...and almost everywhere else :)
i however am concerned with the links to the conspiracy videos that the poster has provided, it is important to keep our heads about these types of things because there are a lot of crazy views out there that can distort our perception of whats real like the 2012 nonsense. As Carl Sagan said : "Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves" i think its important to know and critically analyse both sides of issues like these so that we can get the full story. Thank you
This is a very interesting video. i like what the resource based economy espouses, however i feel that the people who present it are not telling the whole story. I would like to see how they plan to be able to transition to this type economy. Also i think that iceland would be a great place to do an experiment on this type of economy because they are a high technology nation which has limitless access to geothermal energy and has a recently collapsed economy
What is he talking about? He sounds like the pope. Talks around everything. what are the hard details? I suspect communists never give the details as people would reject them outright as they'd recognize it as tyranny.
A Resource Based Economy is only desired by us human beings who still possess common sense and integrity. Unfortunately, the vast majority of our sick and twisted society is no longer capable of coherent rational thoughts or moral decisions. Our Fascist Demon Pig Overlords know this fact all too well. They are simply biding their time, squeezing every last penny they can out of the working class, while consolidating as much power as they possibly can, then they will kick WWIII into high gear.
3) These technologies are only being held back by profiteering from oil companies.
I'm sure there is some truth in this, but if it was just about profit, and the alternative technologies were cheaper in terms of resources, why aren't the Chinese using such technologies?
The answer is that in terms of Watts in to Watts out, its cheaper to send a bunch of guys down a coal mine than it is to build a solar panel.
We should still build solar panels for when the fossil fuels run, out though...
@MostlyZen79 "2) If we could harvest 0.1% of the suns energy, we'd not need any other energy.
True, but do you have any idea how BIG 0.1% of the surface area of a sphere at Earths radius from the sun is?"
What was meant was not 0.1% of the sun's entire output, but merely 0.1% (e.g. 174 terawatts) of the 174,000 terawatts of solar-power which are intercepted by the earth. Currently, human society runs on merely 16 terawatts of power, so 174 terawatts would be 11 times as much power as needed.
@hitssquad - fair comment man - I'd misinterpreted what was meant by that - thanks for the correction.
I'm still concerned that solar panels take a long time to give a good energy return on energy invested, and that the cost per watt is too high (at the moment) hopefully this will improve in the future, although I would imagine there is a fundamental limit to how efficient and cheap they can become.
Once they're more economical than coal, we'll start using them en masse...
Copper Mountain Solar Project near Boulder City NV just outside Las Vegas is already a 10MW Solar Power Plant and they are adding an additional 48MW totaling 58MW when finished. All the power produced will be sold to Arizona.
@Mastervitro money is the tool for co-operation. Money has been corrupted by socialists around the globe. We need to take back money from government and bring it back to the people.
All money is now is illusionary power, and as long as the majority of people see the illusion, we will never get it back. The only way to remove that power is to stop useing money, either by a rich person donating his money to self sustaining service, hence a RBE, or for the majority to simply refuse to use money and help each other out like a family.
@Mastervitro You state this idea, though you state it without anything to back it up. Just because you got 35+ thumbs up doesn’t mean anything is going to change. Typical of you "revolutionaries".
@Bladed0edge0razor because most of what is ideal to back it up is very self explanatory, when thinking about the changes possible. i think many people who watch/watched videos like this already know that, and don't need someone like you saying "typical of you revolutionaries."
Revolutionaries, will be the ones who change everything. Revolutionaries are the reasons an effort is being made.
@Amongmortalz This is a perfect example of an angry ignorant idiot, yet again proving that people like this are all talk and no action what so ever. Going onto YouTube and talking about how stuff should be done and complaining about how the government runs things doesn’t make anybody here a patriot. You are a fool to think that by doing this you, these people watching this video and commenting with positive reaction such as Mastervitro or even Jacque Fresco will be able to change anything.
@Bladed0edge0razor thats why fresco's been working for 70 years for change right? and the zeitgeist movement along with the Venus project are and have been working for change. Moving Forward just started its screening within the past few days, do a little research on how much more popular it is and has been, then was expected. i just happened to be on youtube and saw a comment by an idiot. people like you kill society even more, not like the US was good anyway.
@Amongmortalz Actually its people like YOU give people who have ALOT of time on their hands FALSE hope on something that will never happen. 70 years wasted, this man has changed nothing. Shit still happens that shouldn’t be. Things we see as the norm like prostitution which is legal even though it causes people to do terrible things. Stuff like this still exists which proves nothing has changed, and you know why? It’s because people just don’t give a shit. Everybody for themselves is how it is.
@Amongmortalz If you want change, you will need the whole world to want to change. But understand that to undergo these changes lots of people would go mad due to the shift of balance for power. This is why it’s never changed and only moved in the direction they wanted it to move. The system itself is something people won’t be able to do without. This proves that people are not born equal because if they were, there wouldn’t be the imbalance of power and quality of life we have now.
@Amongmortalz People need their cravings for what they are told is a happy life to be filled, even at the expense of others. Other places like Africa stay the way they are because for a country like America to carry on going forward those third world countries have to carry on suffering. This happens and yet people still don’t care and it’s because everybody is just too busy with everyday problems. Without the system people won’t be able to get what they need so they will fight to protect it.
WAKE UP PEOPLE. We can create our destiny and do anything we put our collective wills and creativity to but right the only thing the status quo pushes us to do is CONSUME. Is this what you want your destiny to be?Not me my friends
Of course they tell us its human nature to destroy and enslave one another, to decimate entire eco systems. In america its the worst, nothing but self interested perpetuated throughout every single social institution. From the business men to the Hoodlums, to the suburban house wife.
We are all slaves and the more you confuse your spending "power" with freedom the more subjugated you truly become.
Civilization as of this point has no balance because its focus it profit and the perpetuation of scarcity for the sake of profit. It is an end game because it will continue to deplete as many finite things endlessly for the sake of "profit" We need to align our selves with nature and stop being to BRAINWASHED by the STATUS QUO.
Money was a tool to deal with scarcity and to allocate a comparative value to resources and service, but the profit motive as well as the psychology of extreme instrumentality born out of the neolithic revolution. People need to WAKE UP!
the function of money is to provide the balancing restriction, measuring resource availability... people are supposed to stop breeding when they run out of money. but they don't hence all the misery.
credit boom was a huge problem. blame must fall equally on proletariat & bankers falsifying expectation of resources..
capitalism needs a stable money supply to function correctly
so will people stop reproducing when they run out of resources? the point is to find equilibrium with the world, not to eat it out.
will you still have private ownership/availaibility of land/resources? no need for property, full availability eliminates that necessity in todays scarce world.
how will RBE work? with the correct monitoring of the earth, the availability and purpose will determine the uses. The question will change from, how much are the costs? to, do we have the resources?
this is what land ownership is supposed to regulate,
if you have lots of land you can have more babies
if you have too little land you have fewer babies (zero at some point)
'RBE' style idea could be applied within one family or geographic region to keep in balance with the resources at hand.
Everything went to hell when people moved to cities and they no longer had land, they were being bred as cattle by the main landowners, but thats the parents fault
I completely agree with that last thing you said, but our focus in those times were to survive in a scarcity environment, and we no longer need to.
In an RBE city the resource allocation would be different considering our conscience change. Most of our aberrant behavior would be gone, letting the door open for good education to understand birth control but of course, just education not actually implementing a law or something about it. PJ discusses this on his radio show various times.
TZM exposes [1] but goes too far in 'attacking' role of money for [2]
IMO big problem = excessive credit as we know
I disagree with imost TZM assertions on 'scarcity/abundance' - in reality earth is Finite which means we're always going to experience a limit with *something*.
tech can only make incremental improvements (and money often guides it)
I agree that by the way we've been develop we have made ourselves believe some pretty lame limitations. This utopia you speak of and all of the TZM and TVPs ideas will make more sense to you when you search for the, real, history of human civilizations. I suggest you investigate a little bit about Jordan Maxwell, Nassim Harramein... and the world unification concept will be easier to understand as you will learn where we come from in order to know where are we going with this...
i'll lookup your suggestions.IMO there's a lot to debunk in tzm/tvp.
i'm primarily Malthusian in my thinking. we're spoilt by oil (rapid progress)
IMO, Power in the world comes from superiority in..
(i) military
(ii) intellect/knowledge
(iii) herd-popularity
(iv) reproductive potential
(v) family connections
Money just *quantifies* power.
it will be v.hard to eliminate all the divisions in the world. you can give different people the same information & they can interpret it very differently
May I suggest you search for "Awakenings -zeitgeist:" & watch the 4 parts. It clearly points out the obsolescence of monetary systems and thus a military, herd-popularity & most of our scarcity (read; fear) based institutions. Those worked in their context, but they're outdated now. Our Social Technology is like a TRS 60 in todays computing arena. I think Abundance will solve the unity problem- people won't need to compete for resources & they can live their own way, TVP just offers help.
a world without military would be nice, but if the other guy has one he can always use it to dominate you. Get rid of all the guns, and there will still be swords.
this whole 'money causes war' in ZM thing is absurd.
war is caused by people seeking lebensraum when they've over-estimated local carrying capacity.
ants have wars too
even other species which dont have wars do similar things (fighting over mates etc)
Alternative energy still depends on LAND. likely we'll continue to fight over it just as we did in the agrarian age, or as we fought over territory when we were hunter-gatherers
@walter0bz I thought we are beyond stupid animals? That is the point isn't it? Unless you have the urge to go butt heads with another guy for a blonde?
instead of stying monetary or resouce based just say bartering system because that what it is. Everyone in this world barters or has bartered. EVERYONE!
Actually, the amount of solar energy remaining for us to collect is quite a bit; we won't need to kill anything. Also, if solar energy actually does create wind (I don't know how atmospheric pressures work, so I can't tell whether or not your correct) then wind and solar energy can simply be harvested for energy... it hardly matters.
Collecting solar energy with solar panels doesn't cause global warming. It converts the heat energy striking the Earth into electricity, meaning it doesn't cause the Earth to absorb more light.
The amount of energy humanity can harness while maintaining nature's well-being is determined by the method of harnessing energy. For example, collecting solar energy is far more sustainable than burning fossil fuels.
first of all you should watch zeitgeist addendum before you make me comment second have all it doesn't matter if it's cloudy because the energy comes from geothermal, wind power, wave power from the ocean or the beach, and maney other places we can get power from.
theres more than just solar panals, There is also Wind power (massive windmills converting wind power into energy, theres wave and current power, theres geothermal power harnessing power from valcanos which can produce 2000 ZJ a year, currently we only use 0.5 ZJ a year, thats 4000 years of clean power. using these natural resources would elimenate Nuclear power which is ineffeciant and dangeous (look at the nuclear melt down that happend in Chernobyl, that place is a ghost town bc of radiation.
Nuclear power is growing increasing more safe. The crew at Chernobyl bypassed several safety mechanisms and their reactions were contradictory to what should be applied!!!!!
You fail to understand that we have scarce resources. We must employ constrained optimization to obtain the most efficient end-product. Nuclear, biofuel, hydropower and geothermal make the most sense. Solar and Wind are inferior.
Terrible analogy no association. Only maybe if I accidentally drop the fork and it kills everyone in a 10 block raduis and causes countless stillbirths.... Dude lets just use geothermal..
you'll need to create political stability in desert regions :)
and as i explained forget the sea
it's easy to set up hydroponics/irrigation..
could the reason we still have deserts have something to do with fundemental resource limits such as freshwater & other chemicals.. for which we compete with the remaining plants & animals
Amazing how VP talks about being ruled by science, yet VP followers seem scientifically illiterate, oblivious to FINITE nature .. conservation of energy etc..
Collecting wind energy is simply harnessing the kinetic energy of wind, which doesn't damage the biosphere whatsoever.
Environmental problems are hardly rooted in the size of the human population; it's our society, and our methods of energy/resource collection/production that is the problem. The western quality of life isn't all that great. If you want an explanation, I'll pm you. The VP does NOT advocate the use of fossil fuels. If you knew anything about it, you'd not say so. =)
the energy companies control the world. Cheap energy will never happen, only because powerful people like to stay that way. We use oil because they want us to help them kill the planet, not because it's efficient. The only efficiency they care about is getting rich faster. and killing all of us in the process. You must watch fox news(propaganda) or other media controlled by these same companies.
10,000 Gallons of Oxygen are burned for EVERY GALLON OF FUEL used in a plane or a car, etc. 3Million Gallons of jet fuel are used every DAY at O'hare. Multiply by 10,000 Gallons of Oxygen Burned PER GALLON of fuel.3 BILLION Gallons of OXYGEN are burned per DAY at O'Hare.The net result: 3 Billion Gallons of Oxygen depleted Air are created loaded with at least 147 types of toxins and pollutants.One single large airliner uses more Oxygen per HOUR than our 6 Billion people breathe during an hour.
oil is abundant, but average people cannot extract it for free, so the price of oil is based on scarcity prices, and can be used to control people. diesel engines were meant to run on veg oil, so farmers could grow tractor fuel.
just think about the decision that was made when the automobile was first designed with either fuel power or electricity. Simply no bid deal there. And there goes the next 150 years.
Either way. the profit system will always try to maintain itself in every aspect. Profit is Against Progress. but we know that now. :)
@socratiz I really hope that sometime in the near future, the planet will be a resource based economy and we will be able to use this kind of transportation.
My ancestors lived in harmony with the planet, how is that naive? We didn't destroy our home, kill off countless species of animals, pollute the air and water. Your society is doomed. How long do you think our planet can take this? You will be wiped clean because you idiots will not change your ways. You substitute one flawed idea for another. walter, you are part of the problem, technology is killing our home. If you are too blind to see this, I pity you. All your lies cannot change facts.
estimated population 120 million just in north america. Then again we didn't practice agriculture since it just makes the population explode. More food means more people, all your ideas sound like new world order propaganda. For your ideas to even have a chance of working most of the population needs to die off. is the mathematics of this getting through? Everything is connected, you disrupt energy in one place there is a consequence somewhere else. How hard is that to understand?
yes my ancestors were native american..like myself. Your proposed system of government is NWO in disguise. doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Who do you think is responsible for the mess we're in today? make it so bad anything else seems like a good idea..you're being manipulated like sheep.
Population is MUCH HIGHER in areas with little to no technology! Little to NO ABUNDANCE!!!
Canada- LOW pop!
India and China- HIGH POP
GET IT.
high population is caused by little education and Religion.
And then you go on to say that solar and wind power cause global warming and will not last? Are you on crack? Wind turbines dont TAKE wind. they use it.
@socratiz - population only reaches the level made possible by the FOOD SUPPLY. Whatever the birth rate, the upper limit is fixed. rising population is due to ABUNDANCE of FOOD caused by petrochem.
Apparently you are too stupid to understand this... read up on some science & maths!
Energy companies control the world because humans allow it. We can find other ways of generating energy in an open source, decentralized, non profit way. This will not be lead by energy companies or politicians, but by the average human who wants to make less work for humans, and benefit life in all its forms. Volunteers for social experiments like Open Source Ecology are researching and building open source, resilient farm equipment that can be replicated at the cost of labor and parts.
energy companies created 4 billion humans via petrochem. if you are dependant on something you didn't create, then you can't be suprised it's used to control. we need to reduce to 2billion to be free of oil companies power.
ultimately energy comes from land (or dug up under it), hence the concept of land ownership, & competition to occupy best spot.
there you go again with your POPULATION REDUCTION.
Tell me something. Do you invite people over for dinner, wait until they are ready to eat and then assess how much food you have in the fridge? NO. you assess the fridge, then you either go shopping, or decide how many people you can feed.
All your talk about POPULATION REDUCTION.. And you have no clue what r current tech is capable of.
Alittle hasty dont you think. Are you psychotic? How easily you can utter those words.
@socratiz - Current population level creates power for oil-men. we can't survive without it.
If we got our population back down to pre-oil levels then we would be a bit free-er of their control structures, (we'd still need umbrella of military though)
yes current population levels are insane. Nature needs time to recover. Even regular agriculture is destructive to our our biosphere (chop down trees with varied ecosystems, replace with monoculture)
money just measures *power* .. *power* is the problem.
remove money and power still exists.
power exists because most people are sheep, and a few are exceptionally good at herding.
IMO eliminating power would take a Eugenics programme - sterilize "Sheep", and "Herders", leaving self-sufficient individuals at a much lower population level.
Native americans solved that problem long ago. Evil individuals were banished, back then banishment meant death since this land was too harsh to survive on your own. The key to a loving society lies with how our children are raised. Parents who practice hate pass this down to their children who then spread it to other children. I think it's too late to fix that problem now. Short of an apocolyapse wiping out the majority of mankind and starting over.The end is near when earth can't cope anymore.
You promote Depopulation and Eugenics programs. You know. Im not the only one noticing how much propaganda is spilling out of your mouth.
You say "remove money and power will still exist"????
How the hell do you manage that one? Who will protect these so called "powerfull elite"? there armies? how will they be paid? Lets not forget that the populous has a better education than during the Medieval times!
@socratiz - Eugenics would make the next generation of humans more content. I do suspect elite have been using Dysgenics to dumb us down, so if we practiced voluntary Eugenics the fewer kids would be happier & more indepedantly capable..less prone to sheep-like behaviour
Chavez has a good point, but many people are always fighting one another, because of race, religion, sex, creed, material gain, and other differences. No one is the exact same, we are all different, but we are all Human and we are all part of this world.
2 things holding our civilization back from an incredible awesome way of living.
RELIGION AND MONEY
They are the first 2 we have to let go of, then Peace can really reign on earth.
Sharing is one of the easiest things we all can do on this planet, there is no over population there is a hoarding of resources, a fear or lack of having what you need.
Learn to get over those fears, we have plenty in this world so no one has to suffer, but can actually live abundantly. Sharing, caring, honor, respect, and love for one another is the key to all of this.
This has nothing to do with control, power over people or corruption, and is not the Shadow Government's plan.
hugo chavez and the resours based economy? that is not a good idea,i think every lider will star to use the RBE for control,the idea is "if there is power,there will be control against the people",i think this will make the BRE idea to looks like diktature idea,sorry for my bad english
"You need to pay politicians, armys, corporations to maintain that control."
money = defering resource claim, keeping track of labour & physical barter.
Corporations have control because they make usefull things like Abundant (cheaper) food. using oil.
Power = whoever controls (using military) the most important resource. be that land, water, or today mostly oil. Oil delivers high q of life for western proles & abundant food for numerous indians etc
power from intellect - see Bill Gates (&sucessors).
he controls/manages organization of programmers controlling Windows Source Code. The fact most people default to using that instead of Linux or Mac & hence becoming dependant gives bill gates his Power. his monetary wealth is a *measure* of that power.
By saving millions of people thousands of man-hours by standardizing the software, he ended up with billions.
Switch from Windows to Linux, and he wont get any more.
@socratiz - power from media - everyone listening to specific music (instead of learning to play instrument themselves?) creates power for popular musician
money is just an intermediary, measuring stick.. trades one form of power for another.
Power exists throughout nature despite only humans having money.
How easy would it be to put people to work on creating and moving things for the better of all if they were promised a home with infinite access to resources and transportation that could do the same? We cannot do away with labor yet, we just simply work towards automation on every possible job to eliminate them, and allow people to work with more effort together on important tasks. There is much to be done before the machines become intelligent.
there are alot of ways to get the venus project and TRBE started. For instance people could begin to work for their health, and technological prosperity instead of money, garunteeing people all of the latest technology to keep up with the current age. Of course it needs to be carefully examined and determined. we just need to stop forcing people into competition with each other and focus on creating more for each other.
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stbartels12 7 months ago
@FatJesusSD Zeitgeist: Moving Forward is the most important film I have ever watched. It has completely changed the way I look at the world, and has opened up a bright future for humanity for me.
I think everyone on the planet should watch that film, and judge it for themselves.
IHighLikePlane 11 months ago
The reason we have money is because most of us are always thinking 'whats in it for me'. In a world where love not selfishness is the prime motivation we would serve each other selflessly & do what we love to do. In such a world money could not exist. If we want to be a part of the solution we have to stop charging each other like prostitutes. Otherwise, although we appear to profit in the short term, we really only end up enslaving ourselves.
utw888 1 year ago
oi fucksticks!
In a resource based economy who controls the the distrobution of food, water and technology??
waste0fspais 1 year ago
@waste0fspais machines, computers. you want something, you could go to a distribution center in the city, order it and in no time flat you get it because the order is carried out by robots.
warobsessive 1 year ago
@warobsessive aka Marxism, or Platonic dictatorship, humans need motivation to actually do stuff u no and we havent come up with a better way to reward people for labour and success then money, human beings aren't equal u no some of us are lazy and stupid, what exactly do u think would motivate kids to learn and excel in school if everything is made magicly by robots and u can get wateva u need? What would drive society forward? This is a fantasy world they advocate and o yea the nwo dont exist.
waste0fspais 1 year ago
@waste0fspais 3 Laziness is a symptom caused by the many monotonous jobs people are coerced into to meet their needs. Once people's needs are met, they can expand in more areas of education because they aren't being distracted by the struggle to obtain their necessities. Education/creation itself would be the motivation because we understand that the more educated we are, the better we can contribute and improve upon things in society for the benefit of EVERYBODY, including yourself.
brandondrath 11 months ago
@waste0fspais 2 equal because they are "stupid/lazy," who is to say said people cannot be educated or guided to overcome that ignorance? Once we have been educated enough in the understanding that earth and its resources are essential to EVERYONES survival, and that it is in our best interest to manage them as strategically as possible in order to provide each human being with the necessities of life, we will be able to willingly alter our values in accordance to that basic understanding.
brandondrath 11 months ago
@waste0fspais 1 You can give labels you want, but you arent addressing the actual data being presented. If youre referring to incentive, that rewards via money is the best motivation for creating something, that is far from the truth. Some of the greatest contributions in our society did not come from the motivation of money, but rather the creation itself. Its not money itself that you want, its the materials and or resources you can receive through money. In regards to human beings not being
brandondrath 11 months ago
ABOLISH THE MONEY SYSTEM ! THIS IS OUR ONLY CHANCE
death5ter 1 year ago
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whatthefunk5 1 year ago
@whatthefunk5 I think you should look at the history of Peter Joseph and Jaque Fresco, they were born as middle-class people. I don't think they are Zionist NWO shills, like Al Gore and others are.
I do agree that Israel/ ZIonist involvement in 9/11 is ignored in Zeitiest, but the problem is, if Peter did point out the Jewish involvement in the NWO, it would appear racist. Many people would see the movement as attacking Jews and the Jewish media would destroy the image of the movement.
VitaminsAndPiss 1 year ago
@VitaminsAndPiss And yet him pointing out all of the U.S.'s flaws in this, is the same concept if he would have said the Jews had a hand in it. the movement attacks the monetary system, and the way we are going now. "its not perfect, its just a lot better then what we have now." -J. fresco.
Amongmortalz 1 year ago
@Amongmortalz True.
The Jews are very good at playing the sympathy card, must be careful what you say.
I really hope the movement is not a fraud. I hope.
VitaminsAndPiss 1 year ago
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whatthefunk5 1 year ago
@whatthefunk5 Money doesn't work because it forces people to work for money to buy food and to shelter ourselves. In a resource based economy, everyone gets a fair share of the worlds resources, no one is left out. We have enough natural resources to abolish hunger and poverty many times over. We could achieve total world peace and all you can think about is "Will weed be legal in a resource based economy?" Think about that while your firing up your next bong.
tyfleguitar1987 1 year ago
If this does occur, will small planes be available just for recreation? I'm a private pilot, and I still want to fly just for the fun of it.
TTUsucks88 1 year ago
@TTUsucks88 As long as they do not use petrol or fossil fuels, then sure thing. They recently flew a plane for a day and a night safely that solely used solar power - how amazing would that be to fly?
spookyruthy 1 year ago
Blah de blah de fuckin blah. Fuck fuckin everybody. Then listen to "the man don't give a fuck" by the SUPER FURRY ANIMALS. Peace out!
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
@whatthefunk5 wow, pissed off much? I think it sounds pretty good to me, and atleast hes trying. Beats the fuck outta capitalism. smoke some weed and fuck up.
aiiiunluckykid 1 year ago
Jacques Fresco is the ultimate elitist. And the whole Zeitgeist movement is SHADY AS FUCK! Arrogant narrow minded wannabie rulers of the world. Why doesn't the Zeitgeist movement actually DO anything? Like pursue a freedom of information court case to release the CCTV footage of the Pentagon being attacked? Cause they're fake ass shiting bitches, who show you some twisted truth, distorted just enough to suit them and to warp your mind, then don't even act on their "EVIDENCE".
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
WHY DON'T THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT ACT ON THEIR "EVIDENCE" AND START TAKING PEOPLE TO COURT? I'm sure you have enough people and evidence to back you up. So why don't you do something about it? Because maybe you're actually on the other side? And controlling and distorting what people should know? Possibly, I find this quite reasonable, there's nothing to say it's not reasonable. They had to release SOMETHING after 'Loose Change'. So they begin with a scathing attack on Jesus. The original hippy.
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
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whatthefunk5 1 year ago
I definitely would NOT consider Jacques Fresco as being one of the greatest minds in history. That accolade would have to go to the legendary Bill Hicks. Or Arthur C. Clarke. Or Mother Teresa maybe? When has Jacques Fresco ever helped out the poor, sick and dying? Jacques Fresco shit's on all forms of religion. Jacques Fresco thinks religious (spiritual) people are idiots, spewing bullshit in every direction. A lot are, but he fails to see the underlying message of tolerance, peace and empathy.
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
Our society at the moment is what we've come to at the present time. We're better off than we were in the stone age, the middle ages or the 1850's (see THE IRISH HOLOCAUST, & you'll know why Irish people are spread all over the world, we had to leave our country or die). We're in 2010 now and things can get so much better! We need to take control of the banks first. Look at what the French are doing for 7th of December! And invest ALL our taxes in solar (see HERE COMES THE SUN VPRO) and research
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
He try's his best to make modern day people feel like they are insignificant, and that the buildings they are currently living in are all shit. This is just not the case, we can build now with various materials to produce houses and buildings which actually produce their own energy and supply the grid. Fresco's designs are just sci-fi designs. Sure they're possible, but how are you gonna build a city over-night? Knock down a whole city and build a new one? Or a mass emigration to a new city?
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
He chose not to answer that, or talk about new energy technologies, in favour of attacking religion, saying "strictly bullshit" over and over again. Now, I know that organized religion is a joke, and that Jesus may in fact have been a magic mushroom (see film "know your mushroom"), but Jacques Fresco doesn't acknowledge anything but his own narrow view of a doomed mankind, because they wont put all his wild ideas into action. Start small, bit by bit, and stop trying to make people feel like...
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
@LazyTranslator I went to see Jacques Fresco in Dublin when he visited. We were in a small meeting with about 10 people, so we could Q&A. Although he's quite an intelligent man, he's also dismissive of nearly everything in modern society as we know it. Including language for some bizzare reason. I asked him if he expects people to demolish their current houses to build the futuristic city on? Or will the masses all emigrate leaving their areas and homes behind? He completely ignored that comment
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
What does Hugo Chavez think of the venus project?
LazyTranslator 1 year ago
Hugo Chavez is just another pig methinks. Venezuela has the 4th highest oil reserves in the world, and Chavez is in control of them. Yet the population are incredibly poor. So he set up a few soup kitchens, big deal. He's still sitting on a goldmine. Where's the Dubai of Venezuela? Also, Jacque Fresco is living in fantasy sci-fi land. Notice how Zeitgeist never mention Nikola Tesla? Or Cold Fusion LENR? Google- BANK OF IRELAND DARRELL O DEA for the complete solution to the "banking crisis"
whatthefunk5 1 year ago
@whatthefunk5 "Notice how Zeitgeist never mention Nikola Tesla? Or Cold Fusion LENR?" So what? You think he isn't aware this? What are you trying to say by pointing out this negligible fact? You say fresco is "living in sci fi fantasy land". What does that even mean? Basically, shut your fucking mouth when it comes to this guy. Your pathetic youtube criticisms on one of the greatest minds in history makes me nauseous.
LazyTranslator 1 year ago
resource based economy = communism (period)
fattybastard2000 1 year ago
@fattybastard2000 Ohh- Not Really!!! a R.B.economy is a system that which all goods and services are available without the use of Money,credits or debts. Which means( No centralizing of Power) No N.W.O
yxrcbszg 1 year ago
watch zeitgeist (2) addendum. its a 2 hr film. the second half they talk about the venus project and how to implement a resource based economy. than watch zeitgeist activists guide. the movies are all free.can be found on google video...and almost everywhere else :)
noriega28 1 year ago
i however am concerned with the links to the conspiracy videos that the poster has provided, it is important to keep our heads about these types of things because there are a lot of crazy views out there that can distort our perception of whats real like the 2012 nonsense. As Carl Sagan said : "Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves" i think its important to know and critically analyse both sides of issues like these so that we can get the full story. Thank you
hukt0nf0nikz 1 year ago 12
@hukt0nf0nikz Very well said!
FistFullOfFists 1 year ago
This is a very interesting video. i like what the resource based economy espouses, however i feel that the people who present it are not telling the whole story. I would like to see how they plan to be able to transition to this type economy. Also i think that iceland would be a great place to do an experiment on this type of economy because they are a high technology nation which has limitless access to geothermal energy and has a recently collapsed economy
hukt0nf0nikz 1 year ago
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Peterwhitlock 1 year ago
this is how a third world countries kicks our arse! they really give a sh*t about their people and actually help them instead of pretending to!
krustyegg 1 year ago
What is he talking about? He sounds like the pope. Talks around everything. what are the hard details? I suspect communists never give the details as people would reject them outright as they'd recognize it as tyranny.
ostralopithicus 1 year ago
well they sent the economic hit men on this guy. Its just so very very sad isnt.
TheNamaste2012 1 year ago
STOP BILDERBERG
peoplz360 1 year ago
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A Resource Based Economy is only desired by us human beings who still possess common sense and integrity. Unfortunately, the vast majority of our sick and twisted society is no longer capable of coherent rational thoughts or moral decisions. Our Fascist Demon Pig Overlords know this fact all too well. They are simply biding their time, squeezing every last penny they can out of the working class, while consolidating as much power as they possibly can, then they will kick WWIII into high gear.
Narniak69 1 year ago
3) These technologies are only being held back by profiteering from oil companies.
I'm sure there is some truth in this, but if it was just about profit, and the alternative technologies were cheaper in terms of resources, why aren't the Chinese using such technologies?
The answer is that in terms of Watts in to Watts out, its cheaper to send a bunch of guys down a coal mine than it is to build a solar panel.
We should still build solar panels for when the fossil fuels run, out though...
MostlyZen79 1 year ago
Interesting, but incorrect on a few points:
1) There is no initial outlay of energy required to harvest energy from solar, tidal, wave and wind energy.
What about the energy required to MAKE the turbines, solar panels and tidal booms?
2) If we could harvest 0.1% of the suns energy, we'd not need any other energy.
True, but do you have any idea how BIG 0.1% of the surface area of a sphere at Earths radius from the sun is? A LOT bigger than the earth.
MostlyZen79 1 year ago
@MostlyZen79 "2) If we could harvest 0.1% of the suns energy, we'd not need any other energy.
True, but do you have any idea how BIG 0.1% of the surface area of a sphere at Earths radius from the sun is?"
What was meant was not 0.1% of the sun's entire output, but merely 0.1% (e.g. 174 terawatts) of the 174,000 terawatts of solar-power which are intercepted by the earth. Currently, human society runs on merely 16 terawatts of power, so 174 terawatts would be 11 times as much power as needed.
hitssquad 1 year ago
@hitssquad - fair comment man - I'd misinterpreted what was meant by that - thanks for the correction.
I'm still concerned that solar panels take a long time to give a good energy return on energy invested, and that the cost per watt is too high (at the moment) hopefully this will improve in the future, although I would imagine there is a fundamental limit to how efficient and cheap they can become.
Once they're more economical than coal, we'll start using them en masse...
MostlyZen79 1 year ago
SAY NO MONEY NO BANK$ NO POLITIC$ NO WAR$.
Join thezeitgeistmovement. Яevolution is Now.
TZMRussia 1 year ago
A resource based economy is the most logical solution, I fully support it.
OrgonVpH7 1 year ago
Copper Mountain Solar Project near Boulder City NV just outside Las Vegas is already a 10MW Solar Power Plant and they are adding an additional 48MW totaling 58MW when finished. All the power produced will be sold to Arizona.
jinx748 1 year ago
either we get enslaved to the NWO,
or we stand together, abolish government and money, and start a resource based economy.
Mastervitro 1 year ago 60
@Mastervitro RBE & freedom > fascism.
skept1c615 1 year ago
@Mastervitro money is the tool for co-operation. Money has been corrupted by socialists around the globe. We need to take back money from government and bring it back to the people.
ostralopithicus 1 year ago
@ostralopithicus
All money is now is illusionary power, and as long as the majority of people see the illusion, we will never get it back. The only way to remove that power is to stop useing money, either by a rich person donating his money to self sustaining service, hence a RBE, or for the majority to simply refuse to use money and help each other out like a family.
Mastervitro 1 year ago 2
@Mastervitro You state this idea, though you state it without anything to back it up. Just because you got 35+ thumbs up doesn’t mean anything is going to change. Typical of you "revolutionaries".
Bladed0edge0razor 1 year ago
@Bladed0edge0razor because most of what is ideal to back it up is very self explanatory, when thinking about the changes possible. i think many people who watch/watched videos like this already know that, and don't need someone like you saying "typical of you revolutionaries."
Revolutionaries, will be the ones who change everything. Revolutionaries are the reasons an effort is being made.
Durf. idiot.
Amongmortalz 1 year ago
@Amongmortalz This is a perfect example of an angry ignorant idiot, yet again proving that people like this are all talk and no action what so ever. Going onto YouTube and talking about how stuff should be done and complaining about how the government runs things doesn’t make anybody here a patriot. You are a fool to think that by doing this you, these people watching this video and commenting with positive reaction such as Mastervitro or even Jacque Fresco will be able to change anything.
Bladed0edge0razor 1 year ago
@Bladed0edge0razor thats why fresco's been working for 70 years for change right? and the zeitgeist movement along with the Venus project are and have been working for change. Moving Forward just started its screening within the past few days, do a little research on how much more popular it is and has been, then was expected. i just happened to be on youtube and saw a comment by an idiot. people like you kill society even more, not like the US was good anyway.
Amongmortalz 1 year ago
@Amongmortalz Actually its people like YOU give people who have ALOT of time on their hands FALSE hope on something that will never happen. 70 years wasted, this man has changed nothing. Shit still happens that shouldn’t be. Things we see as the norm like prostitution which is legal even though it causes people to do terrible things. Stuff like this still exists which proves nothing has changed, and you know why? It’s because people just don’t give a shit. Everybody for themselves is how it is.
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Bladed0edge0razor 1 year ago
@Amongmortalz If you want change, you will need the whole world to want to change. But understand that to undergo these changes lots of people would go mad due to the shift of balance for power. This is why it’s never changed and only moved in the direction they wanted it to move. The system itself is something people won’t be able to do without. This proves that people are not born equal because if they were, there wouldn’t be the imbalance of power and quality of life we have now.
Bladed0edge0razor 1 year ago
@Amongmortalz People need their cravings for what they are told is a happy life to be filled, even at the expense of others. Other places like Africa stay the way they are because for a country like America to carry on going forward those third world countries have to carry on suffering. This happens and yet people still don’t care and it’s because everybody is just too busy with everyday problems. Without the system people won’t be able to get what they need so they will fight to protect it.
Bladed0edge0razor 1 year ago
@Mastervitro or an anarchism world
LordMoxas 10 months ago
lol wind not wing
axe863 2 years ago
WAKE UP PEOPLE. We can create our destiny and do anything we put our collective wills and creativity to but right the only thing the status quo pushes us to do is CONSUME. Is this what you want your destiny to be?Not me my friends
asfrailas 2 years ago 2
Of course they tell us its human nature to destroy and enslave one another, to decimate entire eco systems. In america its the worst, nothing but self interested perpetuated throughout every single social institution. From the business men to the Hoodlums, to the suburban house wife.
asfrailas 2 years ago
We are all slaves and the more you confuse your spending "power" with freedom the more subjugated you truly become.
Civilization as of this point has no balance because its focus it profit and the perpetuation of scarcity for the sake of profit. It is an end game because it will continue to deplete as many finite things endlessly for the sake of "profit" We need to align our selves with nature and stop being to BRAINWASHED by the STATUS QUO.
asfrailas 2 years ago
Money was a tool to deal with scarcity and to allocate a comparative value to resources and service, but the profit motive as well as the psychology of extreme instrumentality born out of the neolithic revolution. People need to WAKE UP!
asfrailas 2 years ago
the function of money is to provide the balancing restriction, measuring resource availability... people are supposed to stop breeding when they run out of money. but they don't hence all the misery.
credit boom was a huge problem. blame must fall equally on proletariat & bankers falsifying expectation of resources..
capitalism needs a stable money supply to function correctly
walter0bz 2 years ago
how about changing from monetary to resource based?
safe all the nonsense of trying to fix something that was meant to function broken...
why cant we just get to work on the solution and stop being part of the problem? seems far more logical and easier
ajtorres693 2 years ago
@ajtorres693 - so will people stop reproducing when they run out of resources?
will you still have private ownership/availaibility of land/resources?
in collectivist societies (e.g. China) population/resource balance is determined by Central Authority.
how will RBE work?
walter0bz 2 years ago
so will people stop reproducing when they run out of resources? the point is to find equilibrium with the world, not to eat it out.
will you still have private ownership/availaibility of land/resources? no need for property, full availability eliminates that necessity in todays scarce world.
how will RBE work? with the correct monitoring of the earth, the availability and purpose will determine the uses. The question will change from, how much are the costs? to, do we have the resources?
ajtorres693 2 years ago
@ajtorres693
this is what land ownership is supposed to regulate,
if you have lots of land you can have more babies
if you have too little land you have fewer babies (zero at some point)
'RBE' style idea could be applied within one family or geographic region to keep in balance with the resources at hand.
Everything went to hell when people moved to cities and they no longer had land, they were being bred as cattle by the main landowners, but thats the parents fault
walter0bz 2 years ago
I completely agree with that last thing you said, but our focus in those times were to survive in a scarcity environment, and we no longer need to.
In an RBE city the resource allocation would be different considering our conscience change. Most of our aberrant behavior would be gone, letting the door open for good education to understand birth control but of course, just education not actually implementing a law or something about it. PJ discusses this on his radio show various times.
ajtorres693 2 years ago
2 seperate issues here IMO
[1] people reacting to 'veiled oppresion'
[2] utopian views
TZM exposes [1] but goes too far in 'attacking' role of money for [2]
IMO big problem = excessive credit as we know
I disagree with imost TZM assertions on 'scarcity/abundance' - in reality earth is Finite which means we're always going to experience a limit with *something*.
tech can only make incremental improvements (and money often guides it)
being born into debt is unfair on people I agree
walter0bz 2 years ago
closest i can imagine to rbe in reality is small co-operatives using RBE ideas internally, but bartering with outside world
i dont think whole world could ever agree as VP wants
walter0bz 2 years ago
I agree that by the way we've been develop we have made ourselves believe some pretty lame limitations. This utopia you speak of and all of the TZM and TVPs ideas will make more sense to you when you search for the, real, history of human civilizations. I suggest you investigate a little bit about Jordan Maxwell, Nassim Harramein... and the world unification concept will be easier to understand as you will learn where we come from in order to know where are we going with this...
ajtorres693 2 years ago
i'll lookup your suggestions.IMO there's a lot to debunk in tzm/tvp.
i'm primarily Malthusian in my thinking. we're spoilt by oil (rapid progress)
IMO, Power in the world comes from superiority in..
(i) military
(ii) intellect/knowledge
(iii) herd-popularity
(iv) reproductive potential
(v) family connections
Money just *quantifies* power.
it will be v.hard to eliminate all the divisions in the world. you can give different people the same information & they can interpret it very differently
walter0bz 2 years ago
May I suggest you search for "Awakenings -zeitgeist:" & watch the 4 parts. It clearly points out the obsolescence of monetary systems and thus a military, herd-popularity & most of our scarcity (read; fear) based institutions. Those worked in their context, but they're outdated now. Our Social Technology is like a TRS 60 in todays computing arena. I think Abundance will solve the unity problem- people won't need to compete for resources & they can live their own way, TVP just offers help.
kingofthebrittains 2 years ago
>>"I think abundance will solve.."
This is a vast oversimplification in VP/ZM's 'speel'.
Any SCIENTIST knows the real world is FINITE.
When humans encounter Abundance, they multiply until they're back in Scarcity.
we already had abundance. Industrial-age food. result? massive population boom.
oil gives us equiv of 13 slaves or something compared to previous eras.
walter0bz 2 years ago
a world without military would be nice, but if the other guy has one he can always use it to dominate you. Get rid of all the guns, and there will still be swords.
walter0bz 2 years ago
scarcity is a fact of Nature.
~1940 - 2billion humans
2010 - 6.7billion humans
4.7 billion extra humans, created Scarcity for other creatures by displacing them, chopping down forest for farmland.
similarly the evolutionary pecking order exists within humans, maybe those 4.7billion experience scarcity due to elite 1% ... maybe thats just Karma..
Stable world needs stable population
walter0bz 2 years ago
this whole 'money causes war' in ZM thing is absurd.
war is caused by people seeking lebensraum when they've over-estimated local carrying capacity.
ants have wars too
even other species which dont have wars do similar things (fighting over mates etc)
Alternative energy still depends on LAND. likely we'll continue to fight over it just as we did in the agrarian age, or as we fought over territory when we were hunter-gatherers
walter0bz 2 years ago
@walter0bz I thought we are beyond stupid animals? That is the point isn't it? Unless you have the urge to go butt heads with another guy for a blonde?
LambdaQuarks 1 year ago
@LambdaQuarks - no but what people generally do instead is they compete for money to buy houses cars presents etc
walter0bz 1 year ago
and sorry if my english sucks a bit btw!!! I sometimes get lost in translation...
ajtorres693 2 years ago
instead of stying monetary or resouce based just say bartering system because that what it is. Everyone in this world barters or has bartered. EVERYONE!
SniperViper1000 2 years ago
wind & solar are the same. wind is solar pushing air around you can't claim wind+solar.
wind is one way of tapping solar.
PLANKTON claims solar from 2/3rds of the earth's surface. PLANTS much of the rest. we can only use solar by killing other animals/plants
walter0bz 2 years ago
Actually, the amount of solar energy remaining for us to collect is quite a bit; we won't need to kill anything. Also, if solar energy actually does create wind (I don't know how atmospheric pressures work, so I can't tell whether or not your correct) then wind and solar energy can simply be harvested for energy... it hardly matters.
Montherieth 2 years ago
wont capturing more sunlight cause global warming
global "diming" =increased reflective white cloud-cover which reduces the effect of global warming by reflecting heat back into space.
you're talking about painting things black, the opposite
my point is.. we can only harness so much energy without upsetting natures' balances...
the MAIN PROBLEM is the sudden increase in energy harnessed by humans ..both Quantity & Quality of human life .. both these factors need reducing
walter0bz 2 years ago
Collecting solar energy with solar panels doesn't cause global warming. It converts the heat energy striking the Earth into electricity, meaning it doesn't cause the Earth to absorb more light.
The amount of energy humanity can harness while maintaining nature's well-being is determined by the method of harnessing energy. For example, collecting solar energy is far more sustainable than burning fossil fuels.
Montherieth 2 years ago
What about the energy to mine, produce, ship and install all those solar panels?
What if there are many days with sufficiently dense cloud cover?
axe863 2 years ago
@axe863
first of all you should watch zeitgeist addendum before you make me comment second have all it doesn't matter if it's cloudy because the energy comes from geothermal, wind power, wave power from the ocean or the beach, and maney other places we can get power from.
arayia6girmay 2 years ago 12
theres more than just solar panals, There is also Wind power (massive windmills converting wind power into energy, theres wave and current power, theres geothermal power harnessing power from valcanos which can produce 2000 ZJ a year, currently we only use 0.5 ZJ a year, thats 4000 years of clean power. using these natural resources would elimenate Nuclear power which is ineffeciant and dangeous (look at the nuclear melt down that happend in Chernobyl, that place is a ghost town bc of radiation.
VileMisanthropy 2 years ago
@VileMisanthropy
Nuclear power is growing increasing more safe. The crew at Chernobyl bypassed several safety mechanisms and their reactions were contradictory to what should be applied!!!!!
You fail to understand that we have scarce resources. We must employ constrained optimization to obtain the most efficient end-product. Nuclear, biofuel, hydropower and geothermal make the most sense. Solar and Wind are inferior.
axe863 2 years ago
Nuclear and Safe should never be associated......
zkiekow 2 years ago
@zkiekow Really? How safe is a neighboring village when a wing farm is "attacked" by very high force winds ;)
Chernobyl only occurred because there were a large number of safety mechanism being disabled and numerous contradictory actions. Prove me wrong.
axe863 2 years ago
@axe863 Never the less, Chernobyl did occur mistakes are unavoidable. I just like breathing clean air thats all....
zkiekow 2 years ago
@zkiekow
Ok if you jam a fork in your eye, it will seriously harm you. Therefore, we must ban forks?
axe863 2 years ago
Terrible analogy no association. Only maybe if I accidentally drop the fork and it kills everyone in a 10 block raduis and causes countless stillbirths.... Dude lets just use geothermal..
zkiekow 2 years ago
Ok fine lets ban cars because theres 40,000 -50,000 deaths per year in the US. lol
axe863 2 years ago
... Why use dirty dangerous energy when clean and safe is available....
zkiekow 2 years ago
That's because those suckers can't take the cold or show.
SniperViper1000 2 years ago
It doesn't take sunlight you dumbfuck. It just uses the sunlight to heat it up and make power.
SniperViper1000 2 years ago
@SniperViper1000
i heard that painting things white can reduce global temperates by reflecting heat away
stands to reason that enough solar panels will do the opposite :)
solar involves taking up surface area for elec instead of food, constructing new infrastructure. solar is no 'magic bullet'.
nothing matches oil for convinence.. only nuclear can deliver same quality of life (& thats restricted due to weapons)
walter0bz 2 years ago
you'll need to create political stability in desert regions :)
and as i explained forget the sea
it's easy to set up hydroponics/irrigation..
could the reason we still have deserts have something to do with fundemental resource limits such as freshwater & other chemicals.. for which we compete with the remaining plants & animals
Amazing how VP talks about being ruled by science, yet VP followers seem scientifically illiterate, oblivious to FINITE nature .. conservation of energy etc..
walter0bz 2 years ago
wind= heated air flowing to cooler regions.
use wind & you still messing with the biospheres balancing mechanisms. Use it all and you'll have a different type of Climate Change
root problem is *human numbers*
we need to advance *more slowly* so biosphere can rebalance.
we can't give all western q of life &/or sustain current numbers
root problem is expectation of lifestyle delivered by oil. these VP visions project these expectations forward.
future is much simpler, e.g. bicycle transport
walter0bz 2 years ago
Collecting wind energy is simply harnessing the kinetic energy of wind, which doesn't damage the biosphere whatsoever.
Environmental problems are hardly rooted in the size of the human population; it's our society, and our methods of energy/resource collection/production that is the problem. The western quality of life isn't all that great. If you want an explanation, I'll pm you. The VP does NOT advocate the use of fossil fuels. If you knew anything about it, you'd not say so. =)
Montherieth 2 years ago
does creating solar energy plants vary much compared to growing food hydroponically or irrigating desert areas
walter0bz 2 years ago
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walter0bz 2 years ago
we dont actually need cars, we can cycle & use public transport for long-dist.
if you had more *teleworking* and "dormitories" you wouldn't need a car. a car is a luxury.
whatever you give people, they will want *more*.
r.e. his intercontinental trains, thats a LOT of metal (energy for construction) to build those tubes..
we use oil at the minute as it's just vastly more efficient than any rival, delivering higher standard of living.
walter0bz 2 years ago
the energy companies control the world. Cheap energy will never happen, only because powerful people like to stay that way. We use oil because they want us to help them kill the planet, not because it's efficient. The only efficiency they care about is getting rich faster. and killing all of us in the process. You must watch fox news(propaganda) or other media controlled by these same companies.
Rezwar79 2 years ago
nope, sorry, it's used because it is efficient.
Think about it in terms of having a patch of land and doing things to that land to make it better for you. Try going without any oil based products.
you can grow your own fuel (wood, or biofuels). your quality of life will be vastly lower, or you will need vastly more land, compared to oil.
i am personally researching this at the minute...
walter0bz 2 years ago
10,000 Gallons of Oxygen are burned for EVERY GALLON OF FUEL used in a plane or a car, etc. 3Million Gallons of jet fuel are used every DAY at O'hare. Multiply by 10,000 Gallons of Oxygen Burned PER GALLON of fuel.3 BILLION Gallons of OXYGEN are burned per DAY at O'Hare.The net result: 3 Billion Gallons of Oxygen depleted Air are created loaded with at least 147 types of toxins and pollutants.One single large airliner uses more Oxygen per HOUR than our 6 Billion people breathe during an hour.
Rezwar79 2 years ago
REzwar... people want energy for their babies (the root problem - human numbers)
Energy companies rule the world because they supply the most abundant energy. It's a simple equation.
If you are dependant on something you cannot personally create, you cannot be suprised that it is used to control you.
you have naive expectation of nature. It didn't make people to be happy.
Dont blame the oil-companies - blame PEOPLE HAVING BABIES
walter0bz 2 years ago
oil is abundant, but average people cannot extract it for free, so the price of oil is based on scarcity prices, and can be used to control people. diesel engines were meant to run on veg oil, so farmers could grow tractor fuel.
Tidnull 2 years ago
rubbish, oil is finite. oil itself takes investment in energy & metals to construct means of extracting, and some energy to extract.
barter too complex so people invented money to compare all these resources.
"diesel engine.. veg oil" - biofuels are poor utilization of land. do you grow oil for tractor, or food for person?
oil companies rule because energy dug up from ground is so powerful compared to alternatives, but when it runs out we're doomed.
walter0bz 2 years ago
@Tidnull
Interesting!
just think about the decision that was made when the automobile was first designed with either fuel power or electricity. Simply no bid deal there. And there goes the next 150 years.
Either way. the profit system will always try to maintain itself in every aspect. Profit is Against Progress. but we know that now. :)
socratiz 2 years ago
@socratiz I really hope that sometime in the near future, the planet will be a resource based economy and we will be able to use this kind of transportation.
supersmashman9999 2 years ago
My ancestors lived in harmony with the planet, how is that naive? We didn't destroy our home, kill off countless species of animals, pollute the air and water. Your society is doomed. How long do you think our planet can take this? You will be wiped clean because you idiots will not change your ways. You substitute one flawed idea for another. walter, you are part of the problem, technology is killing our home. If you are too blind to see this, I pity you. All your lies cannot change facts.
Rezwar79 2 years ago
rezwar - i UNDERSTAND the problem PERFECTLY thanks.
technology has created TOO MANY PEOPLE
we need POPULATION REDUCTION (one child policy) to bring population back down to level where WE CAN LIVE IN HARMONY WITH PLANET
6 BILLION cannot live in "harmony" with nature.
only way to fix is one-child policy or restrictive breeding licence.. ASAFP
2billion can live using sustainable farming methods.
walter0bz 2 years ago
>>"You will be wiped clean because you idiots will not change >>your ways"
@rezwar, have you understood my viewpoint?
[1]I WANT NO BABIES. i do not want them to experience suffering of enviro collapse & increasingly scarce resources.
[2]venus project sharing cannot stop the suffering.
[3] i firmly beleive we need more people to refrain from breeding - else we get resource-wars. BABIES ARE THE PROBLEM!!!
walter0bz 2 years ago
>>My ancestors lived in harmony with the planet, how is that >>naive?
RIGHT! i dont doubt it!!
when your ancestors lived in harmony with planet, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ON THE PLANET?
is the mathematics of this getting through :)
you think venting geothermal gasses wont damage the earth? this is just the human parasite digging deeper.
walter0bz 2 years ago
estimated population 120 million just in north america. Then again we didn't practice agriculture since it just makes the population explode. More food means more people, all your ideas sound like new world order propaganda. For your ideas to even have a chance of working most of the population needs to die off. is the mathematics of this getting through? Everything is connected, you disrupt energy in one place there is a consequence somewhere else. How hard is that to understand?
Rezwar79 2 years ago
@rezwar, are your ancestors native-american;
thats my point (not NWO propgda.).
Balance with enviro requires lower population.
agriculture (and especially OIL fueled agriculture) allows bigger population.
because,
OIL fueled agriculture makes cheap (ABUNDANT) food that
allows population to grow.
IMO harmony with nature requires population-control, for all groups - to reverse population-explosion
IMO it's pop control (1-child-policy/sterilization) *now* or brutal wars 10-20years time :(
walter0bz 2 years ago
yes my ancestors were native american..like myself. Your proposed system of government is NWO in disguise. doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Who do you think is responsible for the mess we're in today? make it so bad anything else seems like a good idea..you're being manipulated like sheep.
Rezwar79 2 years ago
so, what happens without population control.
should i have babies?
what sort of world will they experience.
IMO humanity has made the mistake (agriculture, then oil-based-agriculture).
IMO 6billion cannot live in balance. balance requires much more land per person.
my parents fault maybe :) i can do my bit by (a) zero babies, and (b) discouraging others from having babies
walter0bz 2 years ago
dude.. Im finding your propaganda Everywhere!
Seriously.. You need to back off.
Population is MUCH HIGHER in areas with little to no technology! Little to NO ABUNDANCE!!!
Canada- LOW pop!
India and China- HIGH POP
GET IT.
high population is caused by little education and Religion.
And then you go on to say that solar and wind power cause global warming and will not last? Are you on crack? Wind turbines dont TAKE wind. they use it.
You have some serious issues.
socratiz 2 years ago
@socratiz - population only reaches the level made possible by the FOOD SUPPLY. Whatever the birth rate, the upper limit is fixed. rising population is due to ABUNDANCE of FOOD caused by petrochem.
Apparently you are too stupid to understand this... read up on some science & maths!
walter0bz 2 years ago
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walter0bz 2 years ago
@socratiz
"India and China- HIGH POP"
yes, if you read the links you'd see that India was given petro-chem agri tech by norman bourloag
Chinese & Indians both have a space programme and nuclear weapons... they have lots of poor people but they also have advanced tech
walter0bz 2 years ago
@walter0bz
Yup! You are definitely sick in the head.
socratiz 2 years ago
Energy companies control the world because humans allow it. We can find other ways of generating energy in an open source, decentralized, non profit way. This will not be lead by energy companies or politicians, but by the average human who wants to make less work for humans, and benefit life in all its forms. Volunteers for social experiments like Open Source Ecology are researching and building open source, resilient farm equipment that can be replicated at the cost of labor and parts.
Tidnull 2 years ago
energy companies created 4 billion humans via petrochem. if you are dependant on something you didn't create, then you can't be suprised it's used to control. we need to reduce to 2billion to be free of oil companies power.
ultimately energy comes from land (or dug up under it), hence the concept of land ownership, & competition to occupy best spot.
I'm all for open-source tech btw.
walter0bz 2 years ago
@walter0bz
there you go again with your POPULATION REDUCTION.
Tell me something. Do you invite people over for dinner, wait until they are ready to eat and then assess how much food you have in the fridge? NO. you assess the fridge, then you either go shopping, or decide how many people you can feed.
All your talk about POPULATION REDUCTION.. And you have no clue what r current tech is capable of.
Alittle hasty dont you think. Are you psychotic? How easily you can utter those words.
socratiz 2 years ago
@socratiz - Current population level creates power for oil-men. we can't survive without it.
If we got our population back down to pre-oil levels then we would be a bit free-er of their control structures, (we'd still need umbrella of military though)
walter0bz 2 years ago
"getting our population down" hmm.. sounds like some nazi stuff =O
romainelettuce2 2 years ago
@socratiz
yes current population levels are insane. Nature needs time to recover. Even regular agriculture is destructive to our our biosphere (chop down trees with varied ecosystems, replace with monoculture)
walter0bz 2 years ago
what about crime? and exploitators and pure evil individuals?? how do we solve it?
adrianvill 2 years ago
money just measures *power* .. *power* is the problem.
remove money and power still exists.
power exists because most people are sheep, and a few are exceptionally good at herding.
IMO eliminating power would take a Eugenics programme - sterilize "Sheep", and "Herders", leaving self-sufficient individuals at a much lower population level.
walter0bz 2 years ago
Native americans solved that problem long ago. Evil individuals were banished, back then banishment meant death since this land was too harsh to survive on your own. The key to a loving society lies with how our children are raised. Parents who practice hate pass this down to their children who then spread it to other children. I think it's too late to fix that problem now. Short of an apocolyapse wiping out the majority of mankind and starting over.The end is near when earth can't cope anymore.
Rezwar79 2 years ago
@walter0bz
Wow! you are more psychotic then I thought.
You promote Depopulation and Eugenics programs. You know. Im not the only one noticing how much propaganda is spilling out of your mouth.
You say "remove money and power will still exist"????
How the hell do you manage that one? Who will protect these so called "powerfull elite"? there armies? how will they be paid? Lets not forget that the populous has a better education than during the Medieval times!
socratiz 2 years ago
@socratiz -
in Zimbabwe, money ceased to work (hyperinflation).
Power still existed for Mugabe via popularity with mob, hence could direct violence for controlling land/food
His soldiers were paid in food & sometimes Sex (they were allowed to rape)
power usually comes from superior numbers &/or superior weapons
Lions & Tigers have no monetary system but they have power.
Ants have no monetary system but they have wars between nests.
money =SYMPTOM not a CAUSE
walter0bz 2 years ago
@socratiz
"Who will protect these so called "powerfull elite"? there armies? how will they be paid? "
The army can create power for itself. See the phenomenon of fame - (popularity of sports stars etc) - whoever has popularity with army has Power.
Look how much Power the crowd gives to sports-start/celebs. This is all that kings & emperors were.
In middle ages, kings usually fought directly alongside troops.
walter0bz 2 years ago
@socratiz - Eugenics would make the next generation of humans more content. I do suspect elite have been using Dysgenics to dumb us down, so if we practiced voluntary Eugenics the fewer kids would be happier & more indepedantly capable..less prone to sheep-like behaviour
walter0bz 2 years ago
@socratiz
>>Wow! you are more psychotic then I thought.
thanks :)
walter0bz 2 years ago
chavez is only spending millions on military because Usa is spending billions
aliasxn 2 years ago
Que ironia que Chavez hoy en dia este gastando millones de dolares en armas....
softcannon 2 years ago
Pues alguien que quiere cambiar su sociedad y alejarla de EU tiene que armarse. Mira lo que le paso a iraq.
Gmantis14 2 years ago
He has Latin America to the border of a War.
rclawitw 2 years ago
Chavez has a good point, but many people are always fighting one another, because of race, religion, sex, creed, material gain, and other differences. No one is the exact same, we are all different, but we are all Human and we are all part of this world.
2 things holding our civilization back from an incredible awesome way of living.
RELIGION AND MONEY
They are the first 2 we have to let go of, then Peace can really reign on earth.
bigsteelguy 2 years ago 3
Sharing is one of the easiest things we all can do on this planet, there is no over population there is a hoarding of resources, a fear or lack of having what you need.
Learn to get over those fears, we have plenty in this world so no one has to suffer, but can actually live abundantly. Sharing, caring, honor, respect, and love for one another is the key to all of this.
This has nothing to do with control, power over people or corruption, and is not the Shadow Government's plan.
bigsteelguy 2 years ago 5
@bigsteelguy
yup
socratiz 2 years ago
hugo chavez and the resours based economy? that is not a good idea,i think every lider will star to use the RBE for control,the idea is "if there is power,there will be control against the people",i think this will make the BRE idea to looks like diktature idea,sorry for my bad english
milanstoyanov 2 years ago
@milanstoyanov
I dont think you understand the main point.
The medium for control IS MONEY. No money, NO CONTROL.
How do you expect any of the 1% of elite who own 40% of the worlds wealth to DEFEND that wealth?
You need to pay politicians, armys, corporations to maintain that control.
No money. No honey.
Money is the Medium of control.
socratiz 2 years ago
@socratiz -
guns & bombs = ultimate medium of control
America's wealth is backed by its air-force & nukes. Military-Industrial.
Soviets 'power' was mainly through cheap durable AK47. see africa, vietnam etc.
Modern weapons concentrate power far more than in previous eras.
Thats why power today might be more extreme than in days of swords, arrows, castles, kings.
elite (military-industrial) has 'balance' with western proles because of trickle-down of resource claim on rest of world.
walter0bz 2 years ago
@socratiz
"You need to pay politicians, armys, corporations to maintain that control."
money = defering resource claim, keeping track of labour & physical barter.
Corporations have control because they make usefull things like Abundant (cheaper) food. using oil.
Power = whoever controls (using military) the most important resource. be that land, water, or today mostly oil. Oil delivers high q of life for western proles & abundant food for numerous indians etc
walter0bz 2 years ago
@socratiz -
power from intellect - see Bill Gates (&sucessors).
he controls/manages organization of programmers controlling Windows Source Code. The fact most people default to using that instead of Linux or Mac & hence becoming dependant gives bill gates his Power. his monetary wealth is a *measure* of that power.
By saving millions of people thousands of man-hours by standardizing the software, he ended up with billions.
Switch from Windows to Linux, and he wont get any more.
walter0bz 2 years ago
@socratiz - power from media - everyone listening to specific music (instead of learning to play instrument themselves?) creates power for popular musician
money is just an intermediary, measuring stick.. trades one form of power for another.
Power exists throughout nature despite only humans having money.
walter0bz 2 years ago
How easy would it be to put people to work on creating and moving things for the better of all if they were promised a home with infinite access to resources and transportation that could do the same? We cannot do away with labor yet, we just simply work towards automation on every possible job to eliminate them, and allow people to work with more effort together on important tasks. There is much to be done before the machines become intelligent.
Ansiroth 2 years ago 2
there are alot of ways to get the venus project and TRBE started. For instance people could begin to work for their health, and technological prosperity instead of money, garunteeing people all of the latest technology to keep up with the current age. Of course it needs to be carefully examined and determined. we just need to stop forcing people into competition with each other and focus on creating more for each other.
Ansiroth 2 years ago 2
Chaves is no good, but neither are any of the world's politicians.
Resource Based Economies work
Kitscoma 2 years ago 5