Aslan is an apologist and is welcome Iran because of it. His book No god but God is a perfect example of whitewashing the violent and unsupportable aspects of Islam. The book has very little academic documentation,,,the first sign of poor scholarship.
this guy seems to be smart but is not. what an airhead. don´t be deceived by his nice behaviour and fluent speech. what is he actually saying? comapring Hirsi Ali with bin Laden...that stament is either IDIOTICAL or EVIL. yeah, and Obama is communist, vegetarians are nazis and -- quite obviously -- Reza Aslan a terrorist. with aslans own (il)logic this makes perfect sense. stupid idiots.
@vulvatronic Its not idiotic or evil, maybe you are though for lacing poisonous Hirsi Ali with honey. She hasn't hijacked a plane and rammed it into a building, but am sure she supports 'the war on terrorism' and the massacre of many Muslims by America and its allies. This makes her equally as bad. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
@eddyjawed You´re blind to the crucial difference here: war against terrorism is IN PRINCIPLE just...if it only were IN PRACTICE not only against terror but also for oil &imperialism. But Osamas mission is unjust not only IN PRACTICE but also IN PRINCIPLE. Al qaida is openly for TOTALITARIAN/ISLAMOFASCIST world government. that´s their PRINCIPLE! USA´s PRINCIPLE on the other hand is certainly realtively ok though they might be hypocritical with it. & to confuse these aspects is idiotical/evil.
Religion is the last remaining retarding force, it creates people like he said who identify with rather stupid ideas instead of being open to evidence and being comfortable with not having the answer and an absolute worldview. We don't need to hang onto ancient fairytales, teaching them like we teach Greek myths is enough.
Calling Sam Harris and Ayaan fascist is pretty strong, regarding how intolerant Islam is.
The main problem in Iran is not just the economy. Perhaps, the case 150-200 years ago, but today, the youth and the masses in general want much more than that! They want an Iranian version of liberal democracy, whereby every aspect of their civil rights are protected. They want personal freedoms enjoyed in west, as well as freedom of speech, press, and thought. They would like religion to retreat and confine itself to mosques and out of state politics. And yes, they want a prosperous Iran.
lol ayan hirsi ali is equal to osama bin land??? lol the muslims guy blowing up planes is more interesting because he's blowing up planes and they all happen to be muslims!!! do all muslims have to start blowing up planes before muslims get blamed??? why dont you guys start an anti jihad movement? why dont you guys do something about the imams, "fundamentalist"
@bebzelle I just want to correct your statement darling, an intelligent man is the one that makes complex things look so simple... And, if you were a quarter smart as he is, you wouldn't refer to MUSLIMS as a whole. A smart and educated person knows that we can't generalize an entire population for few ones, or we can't define a religion for the wrong act of some. ONLY ignorant people make generalizations. So, show more respect for the muslims around the world please. And I dont have religion.
@Setoreeh "an intelligent man is the one that makes complex things look so simple.." yeah. so every populist demagogue is an intelligent person! how intelligent was HItler for instance! the great genious made everything look so simple simply by blaming the jew... pretty much like quite many politicians are acting today in islamic world by blaming west in general and jews in particular instead of looking at the mirror. some one could also call such simplifications idiotical.
@Setoreeh "ONLY ignorant people make generalizations. " there are muslims and muslims and even muslims, muslims, muslims and muslims. but once you say "ignorant people generalize, YOU are generalizing! so you can infer what that makes you? there is also generalization and generalization. actually one must generalize, also with populations. the thing is to do it well, neither falling into traps of chauvinism NOR impotent multiculturalism, in which this r.aslan seems to love to dwell.
@vulvatronic Finland guy, English is not our first lenguage, so I won't insult you for saying what you wrote to me, but, I just want to ask you... Why would you say I am generalizing? I wrote down PEOPLE, I mean single individuals! From a none specific place, independent persons, NOT a GROUP...
@Setoreeh almost every statement about a group X is a generalization. you wrote: ignorant people generalize. now, do all ignorant people do that? do you know each & every? it was a generalization. but my point is not to be nitpicking. "islam is a religion of peace"; "islam is a violent religion". which generalizes more? compared to tibetean buddhists, people of much less suppressed muslim countries are extremely violent. not ALL, but the difference is real. & i´m afraid it´s due to islam.
@vulvatronic OK that's your way of thinking, I won't even dare myself to change your point of view, but I would just like to advice you 4 things, 1st: Read the Koran, 2nd: Read about history, AFRICAN HISTORY, Arabic countries History, Origin of religions, etc..3rd: Go and live for few months with real muslim families and 4th: If some one already explained to you what they ment in a sentence they have said, why would you continue with your old statement? Try, just try to understand what I mean
@Setoreeh I think it´s you who haven´t read Koran and SUNNA. if you can´t see the most crucial theological diffrence concerning VIOLENCE between islamic and christian texts (not to mention buddhist), you don´t understand what you are reading. texts do make a diffrence. i´m not saying islam could not be interpreted in a decent way but it certainly is not an easy task. aslan is pretentious and inhonest. and I know history of islamic world quite well. and africa has nothing to do with this.
@vulvatronic Africa has nothing to do with this? Huh ok, if I am honest, I am a lil too tired this days to actually continue this senceless discussion, so I will just tell you where you can find the info of what I am saying and then it will be up to you to check it or not. SO, just research on first stages of african comerce with arabian-muslim people and why or how was the process so as the majority of North Africa became muslims... ALSO, if you check TODAY, the Northen countries are waaay
@vulvatronic waay less poor, aaand as about health, HIV's and all the sexual diseases are in South Africa, and oly 3% in North Africa, until TODAY, the majority population in the North are muslims. LOOK, WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, seriously ENOUGH of ENTOCENTRISM! What is good for you it may not be good for others! MULTIDIVERSITY! TOLERANCE! AND RESPECT! I hope my message won't insult you, as that is not my wish, have an excellent day, may God bless you and your love ones today and always...
It really shows that you can be well read, then still botch every argument you try to assemble, mainly:
1) Attempt a disassociation of Religion with action by just calling it a language. Rather than sociological mechanisms that use language - Go and read Steven Pinker on religion.
2) I'll paraphrase him: "Religion is not just faith it is Identity - Conflicts are not about faith but Identity" Contradiction is obvious. Social context and religion are often infused. Not an either or argument.
Oh Reza, so islamic law, shariah, is not really the problem in Iran. But, the discrimination of women is a problem. Oh, but this is due to shariah;-)? This guy is a joke;-)
Wow, hirsi Ali is a fascist;-) She believes the exact same thing as Osama bin Laden? Isn't bin Laden a muslim, whereas Ali no longer is? So bin Laden believes in Islam, whereas Ali doesn't? The exact same thing?
O.K. so we don't hear about moderate muslims, because they are not interesting? If there is no interest in moderate muslims, then why is he being asked about their voices all the time?
He is a Muslim apologist. This is not a guy that should be our middle eastern representative. He fails to see the real reasons for why there is some much conflict in the middle east.
@al00002002 you are 100% correct my friend. he is a fake person. also none of this stuff he is talking about does fits in the mind/Muslim world. also there is no such a thing called modern world of islam simply if you oday the Quran/Sharia then you are a good Muslim if not you are bad Muslim and you should be killed, if Reza want to create a modern Muslim world then he has lots of cleanup to do in Quran to remove stuff and make it modernised.
This guy is is an Islamic Republic appeaser in a very secret way. he says that the problem in Iran is not the Islamic Velayate Faqih laws, but the economy. why the economy is so bad? because of a corrupt fanatic regime that doesn't care about the will and interests of its people and by supporting terrorism isulated the country. the mullahs & IRGC make their $ from oil revenue, but the average people are losing, IR must be overthrown & replaced w/ secular democracy
This guy is is an Islamic Republic appeaser in a very secret way. he says that the problem in Iran is not the Islamic Velayate Faqih laws, but the economy. why the economy is so bad? because of a corrupt fanatic regime that doesn't care about the will and interests of its people and by supporting terrorism isulated the country. the mullahs & IRGC make their $ from oil revenue, but the average people are losing, IR must be overthrown & replaced w/ secular democracy
This guy is is an Islamic Republic appeaser in a very secret way. he says that the problem in Iran is not the Islamic Velayate Faqih laws, but the economy. why the economy is so bad? because of a corrupt fanatic regime that doesn't care about the will and interests of its people and by supporting terrorism isulated the country. the mullahs & IRGC make their $ from oil revenue (including Reza's family), but the average people are losing, IR must be overthrown & replaced w/ secular democracy
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Reza Aslan is a traitor to Islamic Republic of Iran and himself! Since he is now in America, he pronounces his name all Americanized. Long Live Imam Khomeini (R.A.)!
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Reza Aslan is a hypocrite. He criticizes those who identify the war on terror and the palestinian/israeli conflict as religiously motivated for having a simplified view of the situation. Then, he states that Osama bin Laden and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are ideologically identical! Talk about a simplistic view! Furthermore, by calling Ayaan Hirsi Ali "fascist", he shows that he has no idea what the definition of "fascist" is.
fascist at its root meaning is the veneration of the state, of the collective over the individual - although it is used today to refer who are dogmatic in their views. When one takes an absolutist view, either one direction or another, you become nothing more than two people on the same side of the coin. Hersi Ali is interesting having read her book where her criticisms seems to be more about Somalia and its backwards and tribalistic culture than it being an attack on Islam.
the music starting at 0:48, is what john Lennon's imagine inspired the singer and song writer siavash ghomeyshi to write, IMHO it could be considered a translation... think for a sec, those kinda lyrics, and the things that this guy says does not go together, please!
I wrote 9 books in one year in 1994 when everything had died & noone cared about Iran or D alienated world!I wrote step by step Rose Way 2 Self & Societal Knowledge of Prevention Health & Excellence & Global Peace Program of Dialogue through film music 2 change world patterns to peace freedom of all race religion culture gender 4 a civilized unity of a Global Family! All other knowledge is copy of my original scientific spiritual knowlege of D Holy divine spirit in me & experience of healing!
I cannot hear Reza Aslan right now & I will go back & listen but I have heard him enough 2 know he is getting his information 4 his books & talks from my books! I am D pioneer of Universal Psychology of Prevention Health & Excellence & Rose Global Peace & Reform & 4 D first time I talked about reform of all dimension including religion to bring rebirth 2 earth & before that noone had this information he & other reformers prommoted by my own promoter claim!He censored me and promoted my clones
Sometimes I think it is but if I were a parent of that Child who died in that bus then I wouldn't think that (if I had the western thinking) Don't get me wrong I'm totally into Buddhist ideas etc. It just depends on circumstances and the cultural background.
@ least hes doing something with his life, hes a harvard graduate, an author and has been on many tv shows because people actually care* what he has to say...unlike you, a faceless, anonymous loser whose opinion no one gives a rats ass about...sorry to break it to ya.
I am a communist, Atheist Iranian, and I dont understand why people have problem with wails. I mean there are much bigger aspects of religion that hold the masses behind. Wail is just something women ware, like Christian nuns. Turkey is secular because women dont ware wail in school!!!! Islam, and in fact any other religion is fundamentally against humanity (women included). So if you want to fight for women right, or human right, READ BOOKS, whatever you want, just include MARX in ur list.
I can understand why the Turks enforce a no-veil policy. Islam grows. I mean I have seen a lot of neighbourhoods in Canada becomic Islamic and they're not even the immigrants, they're the locals..
Aslan, the United States is a secular country. Forcing women to take off the veil while in college is secular dictatorship. USA is a secular democracy.
wtf...!!! he talks so much shet dat's y he's a lecturer in US.. LoOoLi fully agree witem abt how bad Iranian economy is now .. bt pple aint sick of islam .. Iranian pple are sick of the fals religion dat's been forced on dem consequntally.. dis islamic rules dat are been reformed in Iran aint shaped peticularly frm wat Islam says... . (um international relation ship student at VIC NZ and i'd 2 months expedition over in Iran).Some Ir/American are big fuken sell-out i reackon
How dare he slander Ayan Hirsi Ali in such a disguisting manner. Is he out of god damn mind?Ayan advocates for womens rights and does actual good in this world. Osama wants to bring an end to civilization itself. Their similarites exist only in Reza's imagination.
He's talking about the extremity of their views. Sure, ayan isnt trying to kill anyone but she portrays Islam in a very hateful and misrepresenting way. Osama similarly portrays the west in a very hateful and misrepresenting ways. So their views are opposite in terms of content, but similar in terms of extremity.
the similarities between osama and ayaan are very simple. they are both hateful, both want their ideologies to prevail, both want to destroy the opposing ideology and finally both are hatemongers.
There are certain people in this world that need to die and be hated. Osama bin laden and other militant theocratic fascists fall into this category. What could possibly be objectionable about this kind of hatred? And why do I get the lurking feeling that youve never actually read Ayan Hirsi Alis book? She is a very gentle woman who stands up for the rights of other women that live inside of oppressive Islamic regimes.
no, i haven't read her book but i'd be interested to know how you ascertained she is a gentle woman just by reading it. my impression of her is based on her views, which are very radical. she completely and consistently negates the fact their are moderate muslims and that they make the vast majority. from that i can gather her problem is with ALL muslims, rather than just the radicals. she refers to islam as the new "nazism", if that isn't hate i don't know what is.
According to the data I have looked at most Muslims are salafists meaning they take the Koran literally. These people in no way can be considered "moderate". In this sense her sentiments are vindicated.
Your understanding of her views is uninformed to be putting it nicely. She realizes there are moderate Muslims and has worked with them in the past and continues to work with them.
If you would be so kind could you tell me where you read or heard her refer to Islam as the new "Nazism"?
what are you talking about, sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. most muslims are not salafi's although most DO take the Quran literally, however, the difference between most muslims (who are hanafis) and salafis is hanafis say certain things in the Quran have a historical context, such as jihad, wife beating etc. she said islam was the new nazism in an interview with the evening standard-london. tell me which moderate muslims she works with, hamza yusuf? Yusuf Estes? Who?
I thought salafi was a general term for Muslims that take the Koran literally. If Im wrong about that then Im only guilty of a misnomer. Secondly Wahabism is much like Nazism so I dont know youre getting all strung out about the comparison. Even if the statement she made was more general a reasonably good argument could be made why the comparison was accurate.
Debate between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Tariq Ramadan - Part 1of3 - Good stuff
you were wrong about salafi and once again you are wrong about wahhabism. wahhabism and nazism are nothing alike, do you even know what you are talking about. most wahhabis have nothing to do with terrorism, infact all terrorist attacks have been condemned by the wahhabi clerics in saudia arabia. wahhabism and nazism are not alike, you get good wahhabis's and you get bad wahhabis, as with any group of people.
actually, its funny you mentioned that, i just read yesterday he's a shia, something he doesn't really talk about. its no surprise he mocks Omar ibn Khattab (ra).
Wahabism seeks the death penalty for apostasy. Saudi Arabia pumps out millions of dollars every year to stultify the minds of children with Wahabist anti-Semitic propaganda inside of their Madrasahs. This is also the same group of people that gets stirred to a killing rage from reruns of Baywatch. Both ideologies are totalitarian and fascistic. Being affiliated with al Qaeda is simply a red herring. Anyone who would beat young girls for showing an inch of skin is a terrorist.
you still have not answered the issue, rather your clearly trying to divert the argument it. lets for the sake of argument agree wahhabism is like nazism, even though i don't agree. how can ayaan makes such a blanket statement that "islam is the new nazism". she never specified wahhabis. all moderate muslims islamic beliefs are included in this category. you have not yet disproven that she is a radical and holds radical views.
secondly, i don't know what your definition of terrorism is, but for most people it is carrying out or supporting acts of terror. as i have already pointed out most wahhabis are against acts of terror as conveyed by the wahhabi clerics in saudia arabia. infact most wahhabis do not even live in saudia arabia and have nothing to do with beating women or anti-semitism, so much like your hero you are generalising about a whole group of people.
Lets not parse words here or speak at cross-purposes.
What do you mean by radical?
Lastly the Koran preaches hatred of the infidel and Jihad far better than it preaches anything else. At the core of mainstream Islam there is this doctrine of martyrdom and jihad. This is similar to Nazism in a number of ways and Im sorry you cant see the similarities.
I know the word jihad has a duality in its meaning in the Koran but still.
by radical i mean those who commit acts of terror or who are sympathetic to acts of terror. the list is piling up with questions i have asked you which you cannot answer, yet i have given you clear answers everytime, how is ayaan's blanket statement legitimate? which moderates does she work with-as you claim? And now, where in the Quran does it say to hate the infidel? What is so wrong with jihad (fighting to protect muslim lands from foreign invaders), wouldn't america do the same.
And the bible preaches punishment and death to non-believers better (clearer) than anything else. Yet, over centuries Christians have managed to keep their religion without being overly radicalized by these things... the same is true of Islam. Imagine what Christians would be like if they were oppressed all over the world by a middle east Islam centric modern society, it isn't a far cry to imagine them killing civilians and roadside bombs and rallying around the identity of their religion.
Dude! stop looking at those anti-islamic sites and read the koran for yourself, I'll tell one thing: They would be no 'terrorists' if it weren't for all the injustice,corruption, and all the crap that we and others have done in the Middle East especially what happened between Isreal and Palestine etc.
This is not clear-cut I do a whole lot of reading and studying and I say that this is not as simple as you think.
If you believe that religion has nothing to do with terrorism then why arent there any Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? Tibetan Buddhists have suffered tremendously at the hands of the Chinese government and yet they dont blow themselves up in crowds of people. You may also wish to explain why Muslims are conducting all of the suicide bombings in Palestine. To the best of my knowledge Christian Palestinians arent engaging in this behavior. ;D
All things being equal suicide is a morally neutral act. However there is a big difference between peacefully killing yourself, perhaps as a sign of protest, and committing suicide with the sole intention of killing other people. Your comparison doesn't hold water.
Peaceful suicide is not always possible. If you burn yourself and bus besides you explodes then it's not harmless to another people around you but it's more harmless than Vietnam War which was the reason of this suicide. But still two people who died with you ? Is that a fair price to pay or not?
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The fact that there are 1.3 billion Muslim GOATS in the world should NOT make us think in any way that Islam is a moderating influence. Anyone who has read Islamic history knows that Islam is a medieval cult that has survived to the present day. Anyone who has read Muhammad's biography and accepted it and yet claims to be a psychologically sane person is a lunatic from whom you should try to establish the greatest distance.
oh thank you for calling me a goat. its extremists like you that cause conflict and intolerance in the world. And if you think Islam is some medieval cult, then you obviously havent read about the prosperity and accomplishments of Islamic civilization while the west was stuck in the dark ages. And if you think that Muhammad was a lunatic, then you obviously have not done honest research.
Just because an ideology or belief is growing in the number of its followers (note: I said followers, not leaders--that's exactly what religious people are--followers) doesn't mean that that religion or ideology is legitimate. DEMOCRACY DOES NOT WORK WELL FOR SCIENCE. The majority of Americans also believe in the literal account of creationism. That doesn't make it right though.
@xballerfc12 - Reza is full of shit. Any Islamic State, does not have separation of church and state, and Sharia Law, or Religious Islamic Law, IS THE LAW OF THE LAND - not just in Iran. Saudi Arabia. Somalia. etc. and to say that Ms. Ali is the a terrorist like that fuck, Osama Bin Laden, is a joke. Ms. Ali supports democracy and does not support Sharia Law - Reza is an Islamist. all the way for Jihad. and he is a coward for seeking refuge in a Country he Hates. fuck him
I admire Reza and I agree with him in almost everything. But I just found that comparison between Bin Laden and Ayaan Hirsi Ali a little out of touch. The woman is full of hate, I agree, but she's not that fascist. I mean, she's never gonna send someone to crush a plane against a mosque, is she?
they are both closed minded. With Hirsi Ali, she cannot see the good parts of islam and only focuses on the bad parts. Bin Laden cannot see the goodness of the west and believes the only way to get an answer across is by violence.
I understand what he's trying to say, but still, I don't agree. I agree with the fact that she has a great hate against Islam, and she blames the Koran and the Hadith for the misbehavior of fanatics like Bin Laden. But at least she's just a person with crazy ideas and condescendent with those who disagree with her.She's not a murderer. She doesn't believe inocent people must die for her cause. I believe there is a huge line between her and Bin Laden.
I think that was the root of his comparison, that they are both ideologues with extreme opposite viewpoints, which are both very hateful and close-minded viewpoints. Maybe Aslan wasn't comparing their actions so much as their ideas.
"Maybe Aslan wasn't comparing their actions so much as their ideas."
That is probably why he took such care to reiterate that his comparison was "ideological." His actual comparison is that they are just as intolerant and just as fascist with their viewpoints. Read into it what you will, but that is the basis of his comparison as stated in this video. Nothing else.
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Aslan is an apologist and is welcome Iran because of it. His book No god but God is a perfect example of whitewashing the violent and unsupportable aspects of Islam. The book has very little academic documentation,,,the first sign of poor scholarship.
greenarcher180 3 months ago
A representative will always be a scientist with a lot of practical experience, Mr. Reza Aslan meets none of the conditions!
estheticplastic 4 months ago
he knows what he is talking about.. ... intelligent thoughts
guittarist 6 months ago
this guy seems to be smart but is not. what an airhead. don´t be deceived by his nice behaviour and fluent speech. what is he actually saying? comapring Hirsi Ali with bin Laden...that stament is either IDIOTICAL or EVIL. yeah, and Obama is communist, vegetarians are nazis and -- quite obviously -- Reza Aslan a terrorist. with aslans own (il)logic this makes perfect sense. stupid idiots.
vulvatronic 6 months ago
@vulvatronic Its not idiotic or evil, maybe you are though for lacing poisonous Hirsi Ali with honey. She hasn't hijacked a plane and rammed it into a building, but am sure she supports 'the war on terrorism' and the massacre of many Muslims by America and its allies. This makes her equally as bad. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
eddyjawed 6 months ago
@eddyjawed You´re blind to the crucial difference here: war against terrorism is IN PRINCIPLE just...if it only were IN PRACTICE not only against terror but also for oil &imperialism. But Osamas mission is unjust not only IN PRACTICE but also IN PRINCIPLE. Al qaida is openly for TOTALITARIAN/ISLAMOFASCIST world government. that´s their PRINCIPLE! USA´s PRINCIPLE on the other hand is certainly realtively ok though they might be hypocritical with it. & to confuse these aspects is idiotical/evil.
vulvatronic 6 months ago
Religion is the last remaining retarding force, it creates people like he said who identify with rather stupid ideas instead of being open to evidence and being comfortable with not having the answer and an absolute worldview. We don't need to hang onto ancient fairytales, teaching them like we teach Greek myths is enough.
Calling Sam Harris and Ayaan fascist is pretty strong, regarding how intolerant Islam is.
annata12 8 months ago
The main problem in Iran is not just the economy. Perhaps, the case 150-200 years ago, but today, the youth and the masses in general want much more than that! They want an Iranian version of liberal democracy, whereby every aspect of their civil rights are protected. They want personal freedoms enjoyed in west, as well as freedom of speech, press, and thought. They would like religion to retreat and confine itself to mosques and out of state politics. And yes, they want a prosperous Iran.
Busticate 8 months ago
Reza Aslan is a Visionary
Koran90123 9 months ago
He really knows his stuff. These are the kind of people who should be teaching about Islam and diversity and not idiots like Michelle Bachman.
28stads 10 months ago
lol ayan hirsi ali is equal to osama bin land??? lol the muslims guy blowing up planes is more interesting because he's blowing up planes and they all happen to be muslims!!! do all muslims have to start blowing up planes before muslims get blamed??? why dont you guys start an anti jihad movement? why dont you guys do something about the imams, "fundamentalist"
bebzelle 10 months ago
reza is so simple that only muslims find him smart
bebzelle 10 months ago
@bebzelle I just want to correct your statement darling, an intelligent man is the one that makes complex things look so simple... And, if you were a quarter smart as he is, you wouldn't refer to MUSLIMS as a whole. A smart and educated person knows that we can't generalize an entire population for few ones, or we can't define a religion for the wrong act of some. ONLY ignorant people make generalizations. So, show more respect for the muslims around the world please. And I dont have religion.
Setoreeh 10 months ago
@Setoreeh "an intelligent man is the one that makes complex things look so simple.." yeah. so every populist demagogue is an intelligent person! how intelligent was HItler for instance! the great genious made everything look so simple simply by blaming the jew... pretty much like quite many politicians are acting today in islamic world by blaming west in general and jews in particular instead of looking at the mirror. some one could also call such simplifications idiotical.
vulvatronic 6 months ago
@Setoreeh "ONLY ignorant people make generalizations. " there are muslims and muslims and even muslims, muslims, muslims and muslims. but once you say "ignorant people generalize, YOU are generalizing! so you can infer what that makes you? there is also generalization and generalization. actually one must generalize, also with populations. the thing is to do it well, neither falling into traps of chauvinism NOR impotent multiculturalism, in which this r.aslan seems to love to dwell.
vulvatronic 6 months ago
@vulvatronic Finland guy, English is not our first lenguage, so I won't insult you for saying what you wrote to me, but, I just want to ask you... Why would you say I am generalizing? I wrote down PEOPLE, I mean single individuals! From a none specific place, independent persons, NOT a GROUP...
Setoreeh 6 months ago
@Setoreeh almost every statement about a group X is a generalization. you wrote: ignorant people generalize. now, do all ignorant people do that? do you know each & every? it was a generalization. but my point is not to be nitpicking. "islam is a religion of peace"; "islam is a violent religion". which generalizes more? compared to tibetean buddhists, people of much less suppressed muslim countries are extremely violent. not ALL, but the difference is real. & i´m afraid it´s due to islam.
vulvatronic 6 months ago
@vulvatronic OK that's your way of thinking, I won't even dare myself to change your point of view, but I would just like to advice you 4 things, 1st: Read the Koran, 2nd: Read about history, AFRICAN HISTORY, Arabic countries History, Origin of religions, etc..3rd: Go and live for few months with real muslim families and 4th: If some one already explained to you what they ment in a sentence they have said, why would you continue with your old statement? Try, just try to understand what I mean
Setoreeh 6 months ago
@Setoreeh I think it´s you who haven´t read Koran and SUNNA. if you can´t see the most crucial theological diffrence concerning VIOLENCE between islamic and christian texts (not to mention buddhist), you don´t understand what you are reading. texts do make a diffrence. i´m not saying islam could not be interpreted in a decent way but it certainly is not an easy task. aslan is pretentious and inhonest. and I know history of islamic world quite well. and africa has nothing to do with this.
vulvatronic 6 months ago
@vulvatronic Africa has nothing to do with this? Huh ok, if I am honest, I am a lil too tired this days to actually continue this senceless discussion, so I will just tell you where you can find the info of what I am saying and then it will be up to you to check it or not. SO, just research on first stages of african comerce with arabian-muslim people and why or how was the process so as the majority of North Africa became muslims... ALSO, if you check TODAY, the Northen countries are waaay
Setoreeh 6 months ago
@vulvatronic waay less poor, aaand as about health, HIV's and all the sexual diseases are in South Africa, and oly 3% in North Africa, until TODAY, the majority population in the North are muslims. LOOK, WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, seriously ENOUGH of ENTOCENTRISM! What is good for you it may not be good for others! MULTIDIVERSITY! TOLERANCE! AND RESPECT! I hope my message won't insult you, as that is not my wish, have an excellent day, may God bless you and your love ones today and always...
Setoreeh 6 months ago
@bebzelle hehe there you go, an ignorant AND racist person... I am not a muslim and find him smart.
Setoreeh 6 months ago
maybe reza is just way too smart for you average people to understand
muslimsheepbah 10 months ago
It really shows that you can be well read, then still botch every argument you try to assemble, mainly:
1) Attempt a disassociation of Religion with action by just calling it a language. Rather than sociological mechanisms that use language - Go and read Steven Pinker on religion.
2) I'll paraphrase him: "Religion is not just faith it is Identity - Conflicts are not about faith but Identity" Contradiction is obvious. Social context and religion are often infused. Not an either or argument.
ReadingMostly 11 months ago
Oh Reza, so islamic law, shariah, is not really the problem in Iran. But, the discrimination of women is a problem. Oh, but this is due to shariah;-)? This guy is a joke;-)
bhigr 1 year ago
Wow, hirsi Ali is a fascist;-) She believes the exact same thing as Osama bin Laden? Isn't bin Laden a muslim, whereas Ali no longer is? So bin Laden believes in Islam, whereas Ali doesn't? The exact same thing?
O.K. so we don't hear about moderate muslims, because they are not interesting? If there is no interest in moderate muslims, then why is he being asked about their voices all the time?
bhigr 1 year ago
@bhigr - I didn't understand that one either. Reza is very knowledgeable and smart. I'd like him to further explain that about Ayan Hirsi Ali.
gekritzl 1 year ago
He is a Muslim apologist. This is not a guy that should be our middle eastern representative. He fails to see the real reasons for why there is some much conflict in the middle east.
ClintSevilla 1 year ago 2
god, what a brainwashed asshole
Serpico261 1 year ago
He's an elaquent speaker, but if you dig deep inside you'll see Reza is just another islamic apologist.
al00002002 1 year ago
@al00002002 you are 100% correct my friend. he is a fake person. also none of this stuff he is talking about does fits in the mind/Muslim world. also there is no such a thing called modern world of islam simply if you oday the Quran/Sharia then you are a good Muslim if not you are bad Muslim and you should be killed, if Reza want to create a modern Muslim world then he has lots of cleanup to do in Quran to remove stuff and make it modernised.
webncyber 1 year ago
This guy is is an Islamic Republic appeaser in a very secret way. he says that the problem in Iran is not the Islamic Velayate Faqih laws, but the economy. why the economy is so bad? because of a corrupt fanatic regime that doesn't care about the will and interests of its people and by supporting terrorism isulated the country. the mullahs & IRGC make their $ from oil revenue, but the average people are losing, IR must be overthrown & replaced w/ secular democracy
newworldordernyus 1 year ago
This guy is is an Islamic Republic appeaser in a very secret way. he says that the problem in Iran is not the Islamic Velayate Faqih laws, but the economy. why the economy is so bad? because of a corrupt fanatic regime that doesn't care about the will and interests of its people and by supporting terrorism isulated the country. the mullahs & IRGC make their $ from oil revenue, but the average people are losing, IR must be overthrown & replaced w/ secular democracy
newworldordernyus 1 year ago
This guy is is an Islamic Republic appeaser in a very secret way. he says that the problem in Iran is not the Islamic Velayate Faqih laws, but the economy. why the economy is so bad? because of a corrupt fanatic regime that doesn't care about the will and interests of its people and by supporting terrorism isulated the country. the mullahs & IRGC make their $ from oil revenue (including Reza's family), but the average people are losing, IR must be overthrown & replaced w/ secular democracy
newworldordernyus 1 year ago
He was my prof great lecturer but the guy is full of himself.
TheOsoriver 1 year ago
@TheOsoriver - I would love to get that little fucker in the ring for 3 rounds
yakov321 1 year ago
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Reza Aslan is a traitor to Islamic Republic of Iran and himself! Since he is now in America, he pronounces his name all Americanized. Long Live Imam Khomeini (R.A.)!
pureMuhammadanIslam1 1 year ago
I will admit that he has some carisma!!! good debater but hey lay down your cards!!!
PHOSPAL 2 years ago
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Reza Aslan is a hypocrite. He criticizes those who identify the war on terror and the palestinian/israeli conflict as religiously motivated for having a simplified view of the situation. Then, he states that Osama bin Laden and Ayaan Hirsi Ali are ideologically identical! Talk about a simplistic view! Furthermore, by calling Ayaan Hirsi Ali "fascist", he shows that he has no idea what the definition of "fascist" is.
theomaniac 2 years ago
fascist at its root meaning is the veneration of the state, of the collective over the individual - although it is used today to refer who are dogmatic in their views. When one takes an absolutist view, either one direction or another, you become nothing more than two people on the same side of the coin. Hersi Ali is interesting having read her book where her criticisms seems to be more about Somalia and its backwards and tribalistic culture than it being an attack on Islam.
kawaiigardiner 2 years ago
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midwest9595 1 year ago
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fuck u reza and fuck islam
kalil2003 2 years ago
the music starting at 0:48, is what john Lennon's imagine inspired the singer and song writer siavash ghomeyshi to write, IMHO it could be considered a translation... think for a sec, those kinda lyrics, and the things that this guy says does not go together, please!
eleynasr 2 years ago
I wrote 9 books in one year in 1994 when everything had died & noone cared about Iran or D alienated world!I wrote step by step Rose Way 2 Self & Societal Knowledge of Prevention Health & Excellence & Global Peace Program of Dialogue through film music 2 change world patterns to peace freedom of all race religion culture gender 4 a civilized unity of a Global Family! All other knowledge is copy of my original scientific spiritual knowlege of D Holy divine spirit in me & experience of healing!
RoseProphecy 2 years ago
I cannot hear Reza Aslan right now & I will go back & listen but I have heard him enough 2 know he is getting his information 4 his books & talks from my books! I am D pioneer of Universal Psychology of Prevention Health & Excellence & Rose Global Peace & Reform & 4 D first time I talked about reform of all dimension including religion to bring rebirth 2 earth & before that noone had this information he & other reformers prommoted by my own promoter claim!He censored me and promoted my clones
RoseProphecy 2 years ago
Hahahahahahahaha, this is a joke, right?
Because honestly, what's the purpose of reading a book if you're not going to obtain information from it?
From your writing style, or lack thereof, it's clear that anything you wrote failed to captiate an audience
iamcorrupt 2 years ago
Sometimes I think it is but if I were a parent of that Child who died in that bus then I wouldn't think that (if I had the western thinking) Don't get me wrong I'm totally into Buddhist ideas etc. It just depends on circumstances and the cultural background.
dontlayeggs 2 years ago
Reza Aslan is the greatest muslim in the world
dontlayeggs 2 years ago 3
great Book!! "No God but God"
77Merav 2 years ago
Follow Reza on Twitter (aslanmedia), he links to a lot of really interesting articles.
unclebeen 2 years ago
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baran6187 2 years ago
we are tired of theocracy
RedPersian480 2 years ago
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Reza Aslan is another shameless self promoters involved in attention seeking behavior. I say we water board his ass and see what he really knows.
edknaves 2 years ago
edknaves you are right
shakil2 2 years ago
@ least hes doing something with his life, hes a harvard graduate, an author and has been on many tv shows because people actually care* what he has to say...unlike you, a faceless, anonymous loser whose opinion no one gives a rats ass about...sorry to break it to ya.
bigbossman999 2 years ago
All I know is he is one sexy, intelligent man who could read the Qur'an to me in bed any time
katus819 2 years ago 5
I am a communist, Atheist Iranian, and I dont understand why people have problem with wails. I mean there are much bigger aspects of religion that hold the masses behind. Wail is just something women ware, like Christian nuns. Turkey is secular because women dont ware wail in school!!!! Islam, and in fact any other religion is fundamentally against humanity (women included). So if you want to fight for women right, or human right, READ BOOKS, whatever you want, just include MARX in ur list.
taghbaz 2 years ago
i've noticed so many ex-muslims come from iran, more than any other country in the world. what has iran done to push so many people away.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
I can understand why the Turks enforce a no-veil policy. Islam grows. I mean I have seen a lot of neighbourhoods in Canada becomic Islamic and they're not even the immigrants, they're the locals..
xjaat 2 years ago
this guy shoud be the Mid East representative, he's brilliant...
xjaat 2 years ago
more power to you man! awesome fresh mind!
apourmog 2 years ago
"America is not a secular country."
Aslan, the United States is a secular country. Forcing women to take off the veil while in college is secular dictatorship. USA is a secular democracy.
AdiZetaFunction 2 years ago
wtf...!!! he talks so much shet dat's y he's a lecturer in US.. LoOoLi fully agree witem abt how bad Iranian economy is now .. bt pple aint sick of islam .. Iranian pple are sick of the fals religion dat's been forced on dem consequntally.. dis islamic rules dat are been reformed in Iran aint shaped peticularly frm wat Islam says... . (um international relation ship student at VIC NZ and i'd 2 months expedition over in Iran).Some Ir/American are big fuken sell-out i reackon
hamstar19 2 years ago
How dare he slander Ayan Hirsi Ali in such a disguisting manner. Is he out of god damn mind?Ayan advocates for womens rights and does actual good in this world. Osama wants to bring an end to civilization itself. Their similarites exist only in Reza's imagination.
4kFox 2 years ago
He's talking about the extremity of their views. Sure, ayan isnt trying to kill anyone but she portrays Islam in a very hateful and misrepresenting way. Osama similarly portrays the west in a very hateful and misrepresenting ways. So their views are opposite in terms of content, but similar in terms of extremity.
akhan07 2 years ago 3
the similarities between osama and ayaan are very simple. they are both hateful, both want their ideologies to prevail, both want to destroy the opposing ideology and finally both are hatemongers.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
There are certain people in this world that need to die and be hated. Osama bin laden and other militant theocratic fascists fall into this category. What could possibly be objectionable about this kind of hatred? And why do I get the lurking feeling that youve never actually read Ayan Hirsi Alis book? She is a very gentle woman who stands up for the rights of other women that live inside of oppressive Islamic regimes.
4kFox 2 years ago
no, i haven't read her book but i'd be interested to know how you ascertained she is a gentle woman just by reading it. my impression of her is based on her views, which are very radical. she completely and consistently negates the fact their are moderate muslims and that they make the vast majority. from that i can gather her problem is with ALL muslims, rather than just the radicals. she refers to islam as the new "nazism", if that isn't hate i don't know what is.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
According to the data I have looked at most Muslims are salafists meaning they take the Koran literally. These people in no way can be considered "moderate". In this sense her sentiments are vindicated.
Your understanding of her views is uninformed to be putting it nicely. She realizes there are moderate Muslims and has worked with them in the past and continues to work with them.
If you would be so kind could you tell me where you read or heard her refer to Islam as the new "Nazism"?
4kFox 2 years ago
what are you talking about, sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. most muslims are not salafi's although most DO take the Quran literally, however, the difference between most muslims (who are hanafis) and salafis is hanafis say certain things in the Quran have a historical context, such as jihad, wife beating etc. she said islam was the new nazism in an interview with the evening standard-london. tell me which moderate muslims she works with, hamza yusuf? Yusuf Estes? Who?
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
I thought salafi was a general term for Muslims that take the Koran literally. If Im wrong about that then Im only guilty of a misnomer. Secondly Wahabism is much like Nazism so I dont know youre getting all strung out about the comparison. Even if the statement she made was more general a reasonably good argument could be made why the comparison was accurate.
Debate between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Tariq Ramadan - Part 1of3 - Good stuff
4kFox 2 years ago
you were wrong about salafi and once again you are wrong about wahhabism. wahhabism and nazism are nothing alike, do you even know what you are talking about. most wahhabis have nothing to do with terrorism, infact all terrorist attacks have been condemned by the wahhabi clerics in saudia arabia. wahhabism and nazism are not alike, you get good wahhabis's and you get bad wahhabis, as with any group of people.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
Well said xingyi master 1987. However aslan is also hateful if you read his book he calls Ommar ibn Alkhttab a mysonigist. He is a desgrace to islam.
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xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
actually, its funny you mentioned that, i just read yesterday he's a shia, something he doesn't really talk about. its no surprise he mocks Omar ibn Khattab (ra).
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
Wahabism seeks the death penalty for apostasy. Saudi Arabia pumps out millions of dollars every year to stultify the minds of children with Wahabist anti-Semitic propaganda inside of their Madrasahs. This is also the same group of people that gets stirred to a killing rage from reruns of Baywatch. Both ideologies are totalitarian and fascistic. Being affiliated with al Qaeda is simply a red herring. Anyone who would beat young girls for showing an inch of skin is a terrorist.
4kFox 2 years ago
you still have not answered the issue, rather your clearly trying to divert the argument it. lets for the sake of argument agree wahhabism is like nazism, even though i don't agree. how can ayaan makes such a blanket statement that "islam is the new nazism". she never specified wahhabis. all moderate muslims islamic beliefs are included in this category. you have not yet disproven that she is a radical and holds radical views.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
secondly, i don't know what your definition of terrorism is, but for most people it is carrying out or supporting acts of terror. as i have already pointed out most wahhabis are against acts of terror as conveyed by the wahhabi clerics in saudia arabia. infact most wahhabis do not even live in saudia arabia and have nothing to do with beating women or anti-semitism, so much like your hero you are generalising about a whole group of people.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
Lets not parse words here or speak at cross-purposes.
What do you mean by radical?
Lastly the Koran preaches hatred of the infidel and Jihad far better than it preaches anything else. At the core of mainstream Islam there is this doctrine of martyrdom and jihad. This is similar to Nazism in a number of ways and Im sorry you cant see the similarities.
I know the word jihad has a duality in its meaning in the Koran but still.
4kFox 2 years ago
by radical i mean those who commit acts of terror or who are sympathetic to acts of terror. the list is piling up with questions i have asked you which you cannot answer, yet i have given you clear answers everytime, how is ayaan's blanket statement legitimate? which moderates does she work with-as you claim? And now, where in the Quran does it say to hate the infidel? What is so wrong with jihad (fighting to protect muslim lands from foreign invaders), wouldn't america do the same.
xingyimaster1987 2 years ago
And the bible preaches punishment and death to non-believers better (clearer) than anything else. Yet, over centuries Christians have managed to keep their religion without being overly radicalized by these things... the same is true of Islam. Imagine what Christians would be like if they were oppressed all over the world by a middle east Islam centric modern society, it isn't a far cry to imagine them killing civilians and roadside bombs and rallying around the identity of their religion.
unclebeen 2 years ago
Dude! stop looking at those anti-islamic sites and read the koran for yourself, I'll tell one thing: They would be no 'terrorists' if it weren't for all the injustice,corruption, and all the crap that we and others have done in the Middle East especially what happened between Isreal and Palestine etc.
This is not clear-cut I do a whole lot of reading and studying and I say that this is not as simple as you think.
themuslimburro 2 years ago
If you believe that religion has nothing to do with terrorism then why arent there any Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? Tibetan Buddhists have suffered tremendously at the hands of the Chinese government and yet they dont blow themselves up in crowds of people. You may also wish to explain why Muslims are conducting all of the suicide bombings in Palestine. To the best of my knowledge Christian Palestinians arent engaging in this behavior. ;D
4kFox 2 years ago
Buddhists burn theirselves as a sign of protest
dontlayeggs 2 years ago
All things being equal suicide is a morally neutral act. However there is a big difference between peacefully killing yourself, perhaps as a sign of protest, and committing suicide with the sole intention of killing other people. Your comparison doesn't hold water.
4kFox 2 years ago
Peaceful suicide is not always possible. If you burn yourself and bus besides you explodes then it's not harmless to another people around you but it's more harmless than Vietnam War which was the reason of this suicide. But still two people who died with you ? Is that a fair price to pay or not?
dontlayeggs 2 years ago
now I got confused does he like the way Turkey rules the people with no freedom to practice the religion or he is against that ?
jojzoro 3 years ago
He didn't pass any judgement on it, he was just pointing out the difference between a "secular" and "secularized" state.
Orlan54 3 years ago 5
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I can venture a guess as to why Islam may be empowering: this cult promises to a Muslim man 72 PUSSIES in the afterlife.
karbalakiree 3 years ago
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If 1.3 billion people identify with this ideology, then that means there are 1.3 billion individuals comprised mainly of GOATS or SICK ANIMALS.
karbalakiree 3 years ago
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The fact that there are 1.3 billion Muslim GOATS in the world should NOT make us think in any way that Islam is a moderating influence. Anyone who has read Islamic history knows that Islam is a medieval cult that has survived to the present day. Anyone who has read Muhammad's biography and accepted it and yet claims to be a psychologically sane person is a lunatic from whom you should try to establish the greatest distance.
karbalakiree 3 years ago
oh thank you for calling me a goat. its extremists like you that cause conflict and intolerance in the world. And if you think Islam is some medieval cult, then you obviously havent read about the prosperity and accomplishments of Islamic civilization while the west was stuck in the dark ages. And if you think that Muhammad was a lunatic, then you obviously have not done honest research.
akhan07 2 years ago
All religion is full of bullshit. Case closed !!
Just because an ideology or belief is growing in the number of its followers (note: I said followers, not leaders--that's exactly what religious people are--followers) doesn't mean that that religion or ideology is legitimate. DEMOCRACY DOES NOT WORK WELL FOR SCIENCE. The majority of Americans also believe in the literal account of creationism. That doesn't make it right though.
karbalakiree 3 years ago
agree
harnawa 3 years ago
Obama should make Reza Aslan his Middle East representative. Who can play the role of mediating the west And east as good as Reza.
xballerfc12 3 years ago 17
I know rite.
asratube 3 years ago
@xballerfc12 - Reza is full of shit. Any Islamic State, does not have separation of church and state, and Sharia Law, or Religious Islamic Law, IS THE LAW OF THE LAND - not just in Iran. Saudi Arabia. Somalia. etc. and to say that Ms. Ali is the a terrorist like that fuck, Osama Bin Laden, is a joke. Ms. Ali supports democracy and does not support Sharia Law - Reza is an Islamist. all the way for Jihad. and he is a coward for seeking refuge in a Country he Hates. fuck him
yakov321 1 year ago
@xballerfc12 thats true, all the other reps cant do shit, only this guy knows the answer
vadimzdonutube 6 months ago
wow, this is a really thoughtful guy, props to him for coming out and saying this.
nahal01 3 years ago 8
I love REZA!!!!!!!
mamba9999 3 years ago 16
I admire Reza and I agree with him in almost everything. But I just found that comparison between Bin Laden and Ayaan Hirsi Ali a little out of touch. The woman is full of hate, I agree, but she's not that fascist. I mean, she's never gonna send someone to crush a plane against a mosque, is she?
Ngooo 3 years ago 3
they are both closed minded. With Hirsi Ali, she cannot see the good parts of islam and only focuses on the bad parts. Bin Laden cannot see the goodness of the west and believes the only way to get an answer across is by violence.
arashzlord 3 years ago 5
good part* not "goodness" srry
arashzlord 3 years ago
I understand what he's trying to say, but still, I don't agree. I agree with the fact that she has a great hate against Islam, and she blames the Koran and the Hadith for the misbehavior of fanatics like Bin Laden. But at least she's just a person with crazy ideas and condescendent with those who disagree with her.She's not a murderer. She doesn't believe inocent people must die for her cause. I believe there is a huge line between her and Bin Laden.
Ngooo 3 years ago
"a person with crazy ideas"
I think that was the root of his comparison, that they are both ideologues with extreme opposite viewpoints, which are both very hateful and close-minded viewpoints. Maybe Aslan wasn't comparing their actions so much as their ideas.
faraley 3 years ago
"Maybe Aslan wasn't comparing their actions so much as their ideas."
That is probably why he took such care to reiterate that his comparison was "ideological." His actual comparison is that they are just as intolerant and just as fascist with their viewpoints. Read into it what you will, but that is the basis of his comparison as stated in this video. Nothing else.
eternaldode 2 years ago
excellent vid. reza is the best.
p.s. nice checkered vans u got der reza haha
benjiemooncakes 3 years ago 2