How can you people be "asked" about something when they are not existing?
Do you believe this life is the only thing there is? Yes? How can you then criticize it and say that it is an imposition when you have nothing to compare it to?
@BraindeadFred91 So basically you believe people who want to kill themselves should be able to do that? The so called "right" to die. But isn't that also just another subjective opinion?
@BraindeadFred91 There are ways to help people who want to kill themselves, than to let them die. I don't think life is meaningless and of no value. I believe life is a gift.
@BraindeadFred91 So moral values and thinking about the purpose of life and so on is irrelevant in your mind? It's just something we as a species do and that's it?
But I still don't understand why you argue and defend your position then. Why are you trying to convince others that you are right? By your way of thinking none of us is right or wrong about what we say, right?
@BraindeadFred91 Some people are just sad and have lost all hope and sometimes it's because something horrible happened to themselves or someone else. I understand that life can be hard.
@BraindeadFred91 So you see nothing wrong with people killing eachother for their own interest? I mean, you said you feel sympathy for suffering. And you said you like the individual rights you have. And you also have kind of a worldview and an opinion that you are defending? Why is that? Why do you think your opinion is right? And why do argue about it? Is it just because it's fun for you?
@BraindeadFred91 Wow! So you think the whole of humanity is just meaningless and our species should just go extinct? So because we are smart animals who are, in your mind, realizing that there is no purpose, we should just let humanity dissapear? Wow!
Let me aks you something: Is there not anything possitive in this world? Do you ever feel lucky? You are probably just young? Are you a teenager?
@BraindeadFred91 So you have no sympathy with people being slaughtered by other people? And helping other people would not cross your mind if you see someone being treated unfairly?
@BraindeadFred91 Then what purpose does it have that we are arguing here? Why did you reply on my comment? Why do you even use time arguing with me over these "unimportant" issues? Afterall there are other fun things to do right?
@BraindeadFred91 Well, you DO believe in objective moral values. You believe that people shouldn't kill, steal or violate other people's rights. These are objective values. There are people who don't believe that life is a right. There are people who don't believe stealing is wrong. Who are you to judge their ways of thinking?
@BraindeadFred91 So if we are just animals what purpose is there to love eachother, help eachother or achieve and do anything good for humanity, our next generation?
Should we people then stop using our philosophical abilities to think about the world, culture and other things?
@BraindeadFred91 But then it is an objective moral value not to kill, right? In Nazi Germany it was not really considered wrong to kill some people? In the Soviet Union it was also right to kill certain people? Afterall in each case they did it for a "good" cause, right? Who are we to judge their culture and way of thinking?
@BraindeadFred91 So you think everybody should just do what feels good and not think about what they are actually doing, afterall they are just having fun right? Do you believe there are objective moral values that people in general should follow? Or is everything permitted? You see this "do what feels good" is why we have many problems. It's also a selfish way of thinking.
Yes the argument that "Hitler was an atheist" is irrelevant. It is important instead to determine what the religious background of his FOLLOWER'S, the people that followed through with these evil acts was.
We must ask "what were the priests doing?" "What were the church going Christians or Catholics doing?" Shouldn't their background of biblical morality have called for an extreme backlash?
@capoman1 Many of Hitler's followers, and especially those who did the acts were quite young, so the Nazis had the opportunity to brainwash them. And what about the Christians who were murdered for opposing Hitler? Ask yourself?
I think we could also conclude that humans are not perfect. Right?
@eric5335 I think the main argument is that atheism causes evil acts. And folks like to claim that "Hitler was an atheist." But community leaders were Christian. Forget about "children being brainwashed" if the children were Christian, and their parents were Christian. Shouldn't "strong Christian morals" have kicked in here? These "young people" don't have families and parents? Sounds shaky.
@capoman1 You know that children were told to not listen to their parents? And Hitler was mainly elected because of bad economic times. Nobody really knew in the beginning that Hitler had the plan the exterminate European Jewry. But when it was evident that he had it on his mind, few ordinary people could stand up against it. They had no real political debates. And if you said something negative you were also likely to be arrested and maybe murdered.
@eric5335 And again, the main argument is about atheism. But Christians claim all types of things. For one, that Christianity provides a strong sense of morality. But if this "strong morality," nor the "power of prayer" can HELP YOU in the worst times such as the Holocaust, then how "strong and powerful" is it really? How do those "morals provided from god" save people?
@capoman1 Many DID try to do something. Some tried to hide Jews in their homes. Others like Bonhoeffer and Niemueller stood directly up against the Nazis. Bonhoeffer, for example believed the God of the Bible was alive: The texts were not just texts for studying. The climate of theology in Germany was that theological liberalism, for example was going on - where people don’t really believed the stuff - but they continue to go through demotions.
Read Hitler's speeches. He sure has a strange way of denouncing God. You people just want to turn your back on the true facts, especially the deals made between the Vatican, Hitler and Mussolini. Cherry pickers....
I always find hilarious that Christians try to "erase" their history bad deeds perhaps Hitler was realy Atheist and Crusades were Atheist aswell the Inquisicion had atheist oring blame it all on atheists surely thats a thing that in past Chrsitiany hasnt pratice blaimg all the bad things on certain group
Hitler may have been a weird hybrid between an anti-Christian crackpot and occult obsessed meglomaniac, but his troops...the ones doing all the killing and gassing and burning, were Christian soldiers who swore to uphold der Fuhrer's orders in thier God's name.
The SS soldiers who ran the holocaust and concentration camps were mostly irreligious though. Albert Speer records that, "....at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans..." And according to "Anatomy of the Auschwitz death camp", the large majority of SS guards self-designated as God-believer instead of Catholic or Protestant to the point that they didn't even need a chapel.
Or, is not the slaughter of every man, woman, child and baby on the planet (not to mention virtually all the animals) apart from one family in a flood not genocide enough for you?
You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT
the Germans simply inspected the penis to identity every communist jew for either deportation or the labor camps. Americans then soon began to circumcise all male infants after the jews tricked them with bogus magazine articles. The jews schemed to be incognito amongst other mutilated males in case Americans also rebelled against jewish supremacism. Untold millions of defenseless male infants in America would have been spared penis mutilation had Hitler defeated jewish supremacism.
pt5) So if you are trying to say that because Hitler used "God" in his oath he is somehow more sinister and a "Christian" you have a rude awakening, and one should learn the principals of Madame Blavatsky, Gobbineu, and those like Hans Reimann of Thule as well as Makaveli. As well, please be more specific to which "God" you say "Uncle Adolf" is Worshiping so I can correct myself, for you do know Lucifer is a God as well, so is my mother's Goddess/God Zeus and Hera and their children,etc; so on.
@ReimannRiemannWhite let me correct u there if u would but the devil or satan is by no means a god but yet a fallen angle and so are his demons and i belive they are refering to the christians god or the jews god and second of couse it is not a christian country if u look around we got jews, buddists, musslims, and atheists and if u were to go to history class america is a freedom of religon country no forced religon dumb fuck and there is 1 and only god he is the jew god and the christian god
devil or satan is by no means a god but yet a fallen angle
*you sir ....are an idiot. Satan was "invented" by the catholic church which it took from the pagan god Herne/Cernous sometimes known as Old Horny. There have been zillions of gods, even monotheism is a trinity. And america: "one nation under god"?!?
@temporaldisplacement no he was not invented by the catholic church he was in the jewish bible so u sir tell me y he would be in an anti christian bible and yes there is many gods such as the greek gods and other but they are what the jews and christians call false god
Gentlemen, we are not, nor have we ever been a Christian Nation...
The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a
pt4) and as a result the Salem Witch Trials, then the vile September 11th, 1857 massacre by the Mormons/Indians at Mountain Meadows in Utah, then again by Muslim and Israeli Jew-thinking radicals on September 11th, 2001 exactly 144 years after the Mormon Jew-thinkers slaughtered more than 120 White women, children, and men -est 34 White children.
Then you have the Muslims who slaughtered 300 plus White women, children, and men at Beslan School in Russia in 2003 and brag about like prophecy.
pt3) So when our founding fathers wrote "In God We Trust" meaning by Masonry that "In Ourselves/Man We Trust". Not to be confused with all these Jewish societies like B'nai B'rith, The Scottish Rite(which is heavily Jewish not even Scottish) , who my/our founding fathers warned against including the Negro's but no one listened.
America is not a fucking Christian country, it is created by Masons or "Builders/Creators". The Christian psychopaths managed to weasel their way in through the English
pt2) them over to be with our colonies at Plymouth, Jamestown, and Roanoke. Those same families like Hess, Mueller/Muller, and yes I even through research into my family found Goebbels during the Colonial period(s), who were prominent in building America.
Not to mention my ancestors like Ben Franklin and the other founding fathers were all Freemasons, who also used the Makavelian "GOD" a lot, but you never say what "God", because the Masons believed also that Man is his only "God".
[LMAO] you people never fucking say to anyone you are targeting, what [God] you refer too. The (NS) like the Samurai, Makaveli, and Buddhist believe that man is the eternal God in himseld/herself, not a supernatural mythological being.
Jehova, Allah, Yahweh, etc;??? Please be more specific, because my ancestors who founded America, and by the way most of the (NS) leadership were prominent American families like Strasser, Muelller/Muller, Hess, etc; since the days my mother's family brought
The movie "The Boys From Brazil" made mention of Hitler's deep blue eyes. The most loved person in history, Hitler radiated power, presence, calmness, sincerity, enlightenment and gravity. When films of Hitler were played at the sham Nuremberg trials, Goering believed it would exonerate all of the German officers because everyone there could witness just how great and irresistable was this human phenomenon. Mick Jagger told Leni Riefenstahl that he had seen "Triumph Of The Will" 25 times.
Why does everyone think nazi's only came from Germany.
They are in AMERICA,FRANCE,RUSSIA,NETHERLANDS,ITALIE,JAPAN everywhere.
Stopping stereotyping the german people u ugly piece of shit.
Americans are the one's u should watch out for bombing they own buildings to get oil.
And don't say we saved ur ass during WW II because that's not like it at all u Americans where neutral till they of course attacked ur srry country...
I, GunOwnerDan, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion....So help me God.
"Ich schwöre Dir, Adolf Hitler, als Führer und Kanzler des Reiches Treue und Tapferkeit. Ich gelobe Dir und den von Dir bestimmten Vorgesetzten Gehorsam bis in den Tod, so wahr mit Gott helfe."
u ARE A RETARD DIP SHIT THE SPEACH GOES ON FOR THE 5 MORE MINETS U EMBARISING WANNABE NAZI IM GERMAN AND IF YOU ARE TWO U ARE SHAME FULL AND A GREAT DISGRASE YOU DAMN RETARTED FUCK PIG.
A look at Hitler's favourite, new-build army, the SS, should be more telling: It's motto was not "Gott mit uns" but "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" (loyalty is my honour).
And listen, if you can find "Gott" in the oath of the SS: /watch?v=3necLq4Yn00
"Gott mit uns" and "Ich schwöre bei Gott..." have a long tradition in a Christian country. What does it prove, when a politician doesn't all over spurn the believe of the majority of his people, but turns the believe to his advantage?
Even dictators are not independent from the approval of their people and their generals.
No he didn't. He believed the creator was alot greater than that - a petty, vengeful God? No - Humanity is not even on Gods radar he is so great - the Abrahamic traditions are arrogant to see him as some kind of genie that may be conjoured up to do thier bidding.
Funny how Hitler only talked about his love of Christ in his writings, when talking about religion. Did the historians tamper with his writings? If they did, there is no evidence to go by, so you saying Hitler was not a Christian is simply a conclusion you came to out of denial- and thats just an idiotic method of thinking.
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
So the only way Hitler is not a christian is if he was lying. I don't know but somehow I believe him. Looking at the bloody history of the christian churches who can doubt it!
I am interested in this comment of yours and am wondering if you could tell me were I can find accredited documentary proof of this statement by him...also have you ever heard if Hitler read the Quern ...I was told he was given one by and was the last "holy book he read" I also find it interesting that in is opening speech 1933 he used the Muslim term kufer ( not sure of spelling } for dirty nonbelievers
A church that has modernised and moved forward, unlike the desert cult of paedophile worship that supports antisemitism, homophobia ans sexism, generally known as the term islam; a dirty religion born out of war and to this day espousing violence.
A very conservative estimate is that the Christians have killed around 150 million people from 325 CE til the 1800's. This is not government, but murder ordered by the Christian churches!
Even IF Adolf wasn't a christian it wouldn't change the fact that christianity is a cult that has murdered MILLIONS of people, just because they are different. Christians believe in an invisible zombie jew that lives in the cosmos, Wake The Fuck UP people! 2000 year old mythologies written by goat herders do not belong in this modern society. Belief in such a thing is intellectually restrictive and a plague for the human mind.
@MistaJussu Not mentioning that all Anti Semitism was a thing suported by the Church and Christians alike for ages Anti Semistism wasnt invented by Hitler and the Nazis it was alot more earlier how many jews died in Crusades? In Fires of Inquisicion? In Pogroms? All suported by the Holy Church and Holy Christians
The famous and popular Passions of Christ were anti semitic in nature and Hitler was one of those that suported them
modern society is the plague. the ancient scripts are the one of the only ways to feel a connection to the past that modern sociey took upon itself to try to kill, as well as culture and our race. so your estimation is wrong... its not q beleif, as much as it is a political weapon and a hope to reconnect to the past. for however bloody the past was, it was less destructive on our people than "modern society" has laid ITS hands on us.
Another misled person. Let me enlighten you by asking you to show me the scripture that the "followers of this cult" had as a basis to murder MILLIONS of people. Can't find the scripture where Jesus told people to abuse his message about "love of neighbor" and "turning the other cheek" by murdering millions? Well, guess what, that's because THERE IS NO SUCH SCRIPTURE.
Do not worry. Your so desired persecution and mass-murder of CHRISTIANS will come soon enough.
@MistaJussu Yeah, riiiight. So you think Atheism which has killed more than 50 million people is the way to go? Modern society? Who introduced the first universities as we know them into Central and Northern Europe? Who did a great deal to stop cannibalism? What religion were the majority of the Abolitionists? If it were true that Christianity was the reason Hitler did what he did, how come not more dictators like Hitler emerged in the various other Christian countries?
@eric5335 And who is still, in the 21st century, discriminating women, gays, blacks and people who have sex without being married? Who's telling people with AIDS that it's their own fault, a punishment from God? Who's raping children, prohibiting women to have an abortion or to use condoms? ANY religion leads to intolerance, atheists are generally a lot more moral then theists
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 So, where in the Bible do the majority of Christians find anything to justify the discrimination of blacks? Are all Christians racists? Is that really what you believe? And discriminating women? Really? Well, if you think modern western culture treats women with respect and as human beings rather than sexual objects (like in much of modern music). Who's raping children? Well, I don't. That's a sin. And abortion? Do you think abortion is right? Killing Innocent unborn babies?
@eric5335 By the way, what is wrong with 'trying different things'? You never try on a pair of shoes before you buy them? Especially if you plan to wear those shoes for the rest of your life? And the very first abolitionists were the Quakers, although it is true that the movement didn't convert a mass audience until the christians got involved. But the people who colonized Africa in the first place were christians too. And they didn't quite see the blacks as human beings, but more like animals.
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "And they didn't quite see the blacks as human beings, but more like animals."
So how come Christians today can't seem to find justifications in the Bible to hate blacks and people of other races? How about black Christians? Are there only white Christians in your mind?
This may be out of context. If it is, just take it with a grain of salt. There's a theory in the Bible that explains the reasons for the struggles of the Black Man(African). It is the story of Noah and his sons Shem, Japeth, and Ham. Ham found his father(Noah) drunk, naked, and passed out in a tent. Ham told his other brothers and they went and placed a sheet over him. Noah woke up and knew what Ham did and cursed Ham's son, Canaan. "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be..."
@eric5335 The explanation for this is simple: when christians colonized Africa, they forced Africans to leave their own religion and become christian. Indoctrination is what created black christians (and white christians too, of course).
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "Indoctrination is what created black christians (and white christians too, of course)."
So the pagans were forced to join the Christian religion? And ALL the people who chose the Truth in Jesus Christ by themselves are just brainwashed zombies? Wow, great argument (sarcasm).
@eric5335 First of all, slow down please, you're bombarding me with comments. Every religion started out as a cult. Over time, it gets more and more accepted, and more people accept it as 'the truth'. That's when we start calling it a religion. The religion you are part of is mostly determined by where you live. If all the people around you are christians, then you are likely to become a christian. If everyone around you called the sky green, would you call it blue?
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Everybody around me are not Christians. Well, there are very small cultural remnants of Christianity where I live, in Denmark. I think it's the same with Belgium. Not even my parents go to church (only on Christmas). I chose the Thruth in Jesus Christ myself. I was kind of like an agnostic, probably like most people here in Denmark. But I was never really completely closed to the idea of the Bible and the Christian beliefs.
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 I don't know where you get that Christians discriminate against blacks from. Did you know that the majority of the Abolitionists (those who where against slavery in the US), where Christians and justified their opposition to slavery because of their religious beliefs.
And do you like that people have sex without being married, which means they probably do it just for pleasure? People cheat on eachother and have several partners for what? To try different "things"?
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Do you also think abortion is a right? Well, why? Why do you justify abortion? For what? Why should the life of a child inside the mother's womb be terminated? What has the child ever done to anybody? Or don't you see unborn babies as human beings? Then tell me why?
I can go on and on and give you reasons (both Biblical and non-Biblical) why homosexuality, abortion and the non-appreciation of family-life is bad for society.
@eric5335 "And do you know that people having sex without being married, which means they probably do it just for pleasure?"
Oh no, God forbid that people have pleasure! I am 17, not married and sexually active, and I have a lot of pleasure doing it. But I've only done it with one person, for almost a year now, and I've never cheated on any of my boyfriends.
So what do you do it for? For your own pleasure? What would the world be like if everybody just followed and took what they lust for? Not just sex but other things?
@eric5335 I don't 'just take what I lust for', that would be rape. I only engage in sexual activity with mutual consent. What is wrong with two people just enjoying themselves? The whole point of atheism is that you act in favor of the world, of other people, and that you do good because you want to, not because you fear a god or hell. If we don't hurt anyone by having sex, why shouldn't we? It's certainly more innocent than pedophile priests, now isn't it? (btw,I'm not referring to ALL priests)
@eric5335 I think abortion is a right, say you're a 12-year old girl and raped by your own father, the fetus is less than 12 weeks old and there is a 80% chance that it will be severely handicapped, and have a very short and painful life. Situations like this exist, even in the Western world. Now, wouldn't abortion be the right thing to do then? And where on earth do you get the idea that homosexuals are bad for society? And the non-appreciation of family-life, what do you mean by that?
@eric5335 I'm not saying you should see a husband or wife as an object, you completely missed my point. If you plan to live with that one person for the rest of your life, shouldn't you know in advance if you connect with them in bed? Sex is not just a way to breed, it's fun and should be fun for both parties. So many couples are divorcing now, because they can't connect in bed. An average couple has sex three times a week, so don't say it's not important or that it's just for making babies.
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 You see how it's just about sex anyway. You exactly prove my point why society is degenerating. Divorce because of bad sex? And what about the children? It's selfishness. Can't you see it?
And you make it sound like couples should only choose the "right" "sex partner".
@eric5335 No,no,no, you must've misunderstood. First of all, not all of these couples even have children. Divorce is not selfish. Or do you think that you should stay with someone who makes you unhappy for the rest of your life? Why pretend sex is totally irrelevant and something to be ashamed of? Of course there's more to life (or marriage) than sex, but please stop muffling your instincts away, it's natural and there's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't hurt anyone.
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 But why don't people seem to get married and have children anymore? I mean, it seems like people have different things in life, these days that are more important. Young people only want to party. Young girls lying half naked, on the streets at 5 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, very funny It's horrible how low society has sinked!
@eric5335 Getting married and having children is a personal choice. The young girls lying around half naked in the streets are exceptions, you don't really believe they're all like that, do you? All the 'young people' I know, do many other stuff than party. They study, think about their future, read books and love their parents. That 'sunken society' you mention, that's not a new thought. It's something that comes up every generation again and again. It's all about perception.
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Well, I am only 19 myself. I see what the youth culture is like today. I observe what happens. I myself participated in drinking and all that party stuff. But not nearly to the extent some people do it today. Many of my classmates and almost all other students in my school drink and party every Friday. And now there's something called "little Friday". And that's mostly it. That's what their life is. School and partying.
Why should the child be punished instead of the rapist, who in probably almost all cases is an adult, who should be old enough not to do such things?
The child will be handicapped? Probably, yes, but should handicapped people not have a right to live? Painful life? Maybe, yes, but don't you think there also are wonderful moments in life? And what about a 40 year old alcoholic? Is that a painful life? But should that person be put to death?
@eric5335 Again, you missed my point. First of all, we're not talking about a child, we're talking about a fetus. An egg is not a chicken, a tree is not a chair. A young fetus can't think or feel, is not developed enough to be called a person yet. It just has a possibility of becoming one, that's it.
Of course the rapist should be punished, no doubt about that.
@eric5335 I did not say a fetus isn't human, I said it's not a person. At least not yet. It has the possibility to become one, just like the egg has the possibility to become a chicken, and the tree to become a chair. Get my point there?
Biologically, a zygote is alive, like you said, but it is not a baby yet. It's a group of cells, that's all. It doesn't think or feel pain. I think it's funny though that you bring up biology and ignore my previous bible quote.
@eric5335 Handicapped people have a right to live, but what in the situation I tried to explain, by having it born, you give this child a short life and it will always be in pain. Maybe it will have happy moments, but that wouldn't weigh out the pain, which it should never have had to feel if the girl had an abortion. And, this makes the '40 year old alcoholic' irrelevant, it is not 'put to death', the pregnancy was terminated before the child's life began.
@eric5335 People who support abortion are already born because... well, obviously, if they weren't born, then they wouldn't be able to support anything would they? I was a zygote once and I became a person, but if my parents had decided not to keep me, I wouldn't be here. It's as simple as that. I would never realize it because I wouldn't exist, and I'm sure my parents would've had a good reason for not having me.
To use the same example again, you don't kill a chicken by eating an egg, do you?
@eric5335 That's irrelevant. My parents decided to keep me, thus I am here. If they hadn't, I wouldn't be here. Since my parents were not having any major financial, psychological or other problems, they decided to have me.
@eric5335 Hope and pray for me all you want, I think I already made my up mind about religion a long time ago. I hope you look around the ThinkAtheist website sometime, just to understand us better. (After all, most atheists have read the bible too) Good night
@eric5335 You forget a very important factor: the 12 year old girl. This girl would have to quit school, face bullies and be a mother at such a young age. She didn't ask for this, she was raped. So according to you, she should have to sacrifice her youth for a child that she didn't want and that will be a burden for its whole environment? This hypothetical girl is still a child herself, how would she take care of a baby?
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "You forget a very important factor: the 12 year old girl."
Again. It's the adult who should be punished, not the child.
But how can you know if the 12 year old girl would not love her child? And if she can't take care of the child, the child could be taken care of by other parent, i.e. adoption, right? Wouldn't that be a possibility? Why should the innocent unborn be punished with death?
@eric5335 She still would have to carry it around for nine months. You don't think she would have to sacrifice things if she just gave the kid away? I mentioned bullying, and there's a whole lot of other psychological damage that could be done. (although I'm not denying there could be some psychological damage if she had an abortion).
@eric5335 That could be anyone. Wouldn't you raise your eyebrows if you saw a pregnant 12 year old? Even if you wouldn't judge her for it, you'd notice. People with red hair get bullied all the time, and they're much less noticeable then pregnant children.
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 And why should bullying be considered one of the justifications for an abortion? Those who bully are probably insecure and have nothing to do and have no values.
@eric5335 It's about what's more important: the possibility of life for a kid in the circumstances I described, or the life of a young girl that has walked the earth for 12 years. I said bullying AND other psychological problems. The sum of it all could add up to suicide. Or at least a very unhappy life. For me, the life of this girl is more important than the zygote. But of course, the choice should be up to her. If she decides to keep it, no problem. She shouldn't be forced in either direction
And my proof lies in utterly hours of footage of SS soldiers shooting priest,Rabbis and arresting an protestant who did'nt become apart of his proxy "reich Church" which was meant to hold on to germans. Your confusing Hitler's attempt to fool the german people with him actually beliving. He clearly did not,or he wouldn't have issued the order to remove all crosses and crucifixes from Reich lands and replace thme with the swastica(a NORDIC symbol of power/the sun)
Whoa whoa whoa... hang on.. given that Hitler was obviously disturbed but he wasn't the occultist, Himmler was. Hitler's ideas were in the same form as the inquisition for the wrong reasons. The Third Reich was a political party in which the members did some crazy things by the end of the war because Hitler was already crazy and by then addicted to meth (I was surprised too, but it is a fact.)
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If you had understanding of what they were really doing, you would see that their proclamation was in fact, a denouncing of God.
Considering, that those were common soldiers, most probably raised in Christians homes, it would have been difficult for the leaders of the reich, to have convinced them to straightforth denounce God.
To have made an oath to Hitler that was in essence, revereing him as God, and swearing it by God. Is in fact denouncing God.
@BlissfulKnowledge God has being denoucing since a guy from the desert had idea of him xD. How this different from what Church made during ages and ages? Every religion is form of social and political control
That's where you're wrong. If you read the bible and follow the Christ, whose kingdom is "no part of this world", you would not fight for Hitler or Israel or Palpatine or anybody. NOT EVEN IN THE NAME OF CHRIST!
This is what gets me. People like you have never even read the bible, so do not make a conclusion about it.
And instead of saying stuff like "God has being denoucing since a guy from the desert had idea" --> Einstein and Newton and many more geniuses believed in God.
If as you claim they are denouncing god they why did the wehmracht wear belt buckles inscribed with the phrase 'Gott Mit Uns' which in English means 'God be with us'?
oh and guess why he killed the jews? because the christian church raised him to hate the "christ killers". christians have murdered, persecuted and hated the jews 4 centuries
"oh and guess why he killed the jews? because the christian church raised him to hate the "christ killers". christians have murdered, persecuted and hated the jews 4 centuries"
Incorrect, he persecuted Jews because of the intolerance shown to him in an Art School that was primarily funded by the Jewish community.
Thats just speculation. Hitler had his own reasons. Jews were a perfect target to round up the masses and gain a sense of nationalism for his own causes.
actually,that's not true at all. He was an occultist..who believed that Christianity was inferior to National Socialism and that ancient pagean rituals and his version of history would dominate all other beliefs systems. You people know nothing of history and your ignorance will be your undoing.Read a few history books,instead of just assuming that you know everything.
? Oh really,then why did The waffen SS tear down catholic churches in France/Poland? Obviously the Polish were racially inferior,but the French were never mentioned as being inferior. My friend,Hitler was not religious,he was a secular facist who twisted history,race and culture to suit his version of an Aryan civilization.I can assure you that even Himmler(who had a catholic upbringing) was a fierce occultist. The naizis had ambitions to destroy all religions,except their newly created one.
if you are secular you believe in the separation of church and state, yet you say he was destroying religions and trying to spread his own? you're very confused
Exactly,he saw any form of religion or an Idea apart from his view of pure Aryian/Nordic race as a threat. I must recorrect my past statment(you are indeed right) Hitler's ideals are secualr in that they don't regard the existence of a god to relevant,but rather that religious institutions that are submissive to him as the supreme leader(in the hopes that they will be cleansed later) those that weren't were destroyed if they failed to take an oath of allegence.
this whole hitler/christian thing is stupid and irrelevent(to talking atheist morality, not to understanding the character of hitler) noone ive seen seems to understand this shit. hitler was in a bid for power,the churches had power and mass influence,hes going to do what he needs to regardless, weather its kiss there ass or destroy them, just like hundreds of european kings before him.anyway pointless, learn some psychology already, motives and actions are diff, its the motives that matter.
Why don't you show Islamics beheading in the name of their God, beheading women and children just because they want to drink water that was made in America!!!
If you hate America so much why don't you go live in those Islamics peoples countries!!!
Hitler enaged in lustful, unGodly sexuality with his cousin.
Hold on... the Holocaust doesn't have any proof even after 70 years... don't you think this is a tad biased?
Cmdrscott1701 1 month ago
@BraindeadFred91 "asked to be put on"
How can you people be "asked" about something when they are not existing?
Do you believe this life is the only thing there is? Yes? How can you then criticize it and say that it is an imposition when you have nothing to compare it to?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 So basically you believe people who want to kill themselves should be able to do that? The so called "right" to die. But isn't that also just another subjective opinion?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 There are ways to help people who want to kill themselves, than to let them die. I don't think life is meaningless and of no value. I believe life is a gift.
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 So moral values and thinking about the purpose of life and so on is irrelevant in your mind? It's just something we as a species do and that's it?
But I still don't understand why you argue and defend your position then. Why are you trying to convince others that you are right? By your way of thinking none of us is right or wrong about what we say, right?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 Some people are just sad and have lost all hope and sometimes it's because something horrible happened to themselves or someone else. I understand that life can be hard.
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 Do YOU want to kill yourself? Is there not ANY reason for you at all to live?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 So you see nothing wrong with people killing eachother for their own interest? I mean, you said you feel sympathy for suffering. And you said you like the individual rights you have. And you also have kind of a worldview and an opinion that you are defending? Why is that? Why do you think your opinion is right? And why do argue about it? Is it just because it's fun for you?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 Wow! So you think the whole of humanity is just meaningless and our species should just go extinct? So because we are smart animals who are, in your mind, realizing that there is no purpose, we should just let humanity dissapear? Wow!
Let me aks you something: Is there not anything possitive in this world? Do you ever feel lucky? You are probably just young? Are you a teenager?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 So you have no sympathy with people being slaughtered by other people? And helping other people would not cross your mind if you see someone being treated unfairly?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 Then what purpose does it have that we are arguing here? Why did you reply on my comment? Why do you even use time arguing with me over these "unimportant" issues? Afterall there are other fun things to do right?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 Well, you DO believe in objective moral values. You believe that people shouldn't kill, steal or violate other people's rights. These are objective values. There are people who don't believe that life is a right. There are people who don't believe stealing is wrong. Who are you to judge their ways of thinking?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 So what is charity?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 So if we are just animals what purpose is there to love eachother, help eachother or achieve and do anything good for humanity, our next generation?
Should we people then stop using our philosophical abilities to think about the world, culture and other things?
eric5335 7 months ago
@BraindeadFred91 But then it is an objective moral value not to kill, right? In Nazi Germany it was not really considered wrong to kill some people? In the Soviet Union it was also right to kill certain people? Afterall in each case they did it for a "good" cause, right? Who are we to judge their culture and way of thinking?
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@BraindeadFred91 So you think everybody should just do what feels good and not think about what they are actually doing, afterall they are just having fun right? Do you believe there are objective moral values that people in general should follow? Or is everything permitted? You see this "do what feels good" is why we have many problems. It's also a selfish way of thinking.
eric5335 7 months ago
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eric5335 7 months ago
HAIL 88 !
Bebyko2008 8 months ago
Heil Hitler!!!!
卐 SIEG HEIL! 卐
vTHExUNKNOWENv 9 months ago
Mein hund habe keine nase.
Wo riecht es?
Shrecktlich.
Kuraisamu 1 year ago
Yes the argument that "Hitler was an atheist" is irrelevant. It is important instead to determine what the religious background of his FOLLOWER'S, the people that followed through with these evil acts was.
We must ask "what were the priests doing?" "What were the church going Christians or Catholics doing?" Shouldn't their background of biblical morality have called for an extreme backlash?
What is the excuse?
capoman1 1 year ago
@capoman1 Many of Hitler's followers, and especially those who did the acts were quite young, so the Nazis had the opportunity to brainwash them. And what about the Christians who were murdered for opposing Hitler? Ask yourself?
I think we could also conclude that humans are not perfect. Right?
eric5335 1 year ago
@eric5335 I think the main argument is that atheism causes evil acts. And folks like to claim that "Hitler was an atheist." But community leaders were Christian. Forget about "children being brainwashed" if the children were Christian, and their parents were Christian. Shouldn't "strong Christian morals" have kicked in here? These "young people" don't have families and parents? Sounds shaky.
capoman1 1 year ago
@capoman1 You know that children were told to not listen to their parents? And Hitler was mainly elected because of bad economic times. Nobody really knew in the beginning that Hitler had the plan the exterminate European Jewry. But when it was evident that he had it on his mind, few ordinary people could stand up against it. They had no real political debates. And if you said something negative you were also likely to be arrested and maybe murdered.
eric5335 1 year ago
@eric5335 And again, the main argument is about atheism. But Christians claim all types of things. For one, that Christianity provides a strong sense of morality. But if this "strong morality," nor the "power of prayer" can HELP YOU in the worst times such as the Holocaust, then how "strong and powerful" is it really? How do those "morals provided from god" save people?
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eric5335 1 year ago
@capoman1 Many DID try to do something. Some tried to hide Jews in their homes. Others like Bonhoeffer and Niemueller stood directly up against the Nazis. Bonhoeffer, for example believed the God of the Bible was alive: The texts were not just texts for studying. The climate of theology in Germany was that theological liberalism, for example was going on - where people don’t really believed the stuff - but they continue to go through demotions.
eric5335 1 year ago
Read Hitler's speeches. He sure has a strange way of denouncing God. You people just want to turn your back on the true facts, especially the deals made between the Vatican, Hitler and Mussolini. Cherry pickers....
VanGoghsEar1890 1 year ago
Nazis didnt do more horrible things than rest... But great upload!
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
I always find hilarious that Christians try to "erase" their history bad deeds perhaps Hitler was realy Atheist and Crusades were Atheist aswell the Inquisicion had atheist oring blame it all on atheists surely thats a thing that in past Chrsitiany hasnt pratice blaimg all the bad things on certain group
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
Hitler may have been a weird hybrid between an anti-Christian crackpot and occult obsessed meglomaniac, but his troops...the ones doing all the killing and gassing and burning, were Christian soldiers who swore to uphold der Fuhrer's orders in thier God's name.
allaboutdmagic 1 year ago
@allaboutdmagic
The SS soldiers who ran the holocaust and concentration camps were mostly irreligious though. Albert Speer records that, "....at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans..." And according to "Anatomy of the Auschwitz death camp", the large majority of SS guards self-designated as God-believer instead of Catholic or Protestant to the point that they didn't even need a chapel.
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
The SS soldiers, in fact, often professed that their god was Thor, the pagan god of thunder and lightning and war.
So much for the Nazi's "Christian" connection.
reubenprowse 1 year ago
@reubenprowse
Surely millions of people live in other nations.
Or, is not the slaughter of every man, woman, child and baby on the planet (not to mention virtually all the animals) apart from one family in a flood not genocide enough for you?
You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT
allahBurpsCum 1 year ago
the Germans simply inspected the penis to identity every communist jew for either deportation or the labor camps. Americans then soon began to circumcise all male infants after the jews tricked them with bogus magazine articles. The jews schemed to be incognito amongst other mutilated males in case Americans also rebelled against jewish supremacism. Untold millions of defenseless male infants in America would have been spared penis mutilation had Hitler defeated jewish supremacism.
UntoldBillions 1 year ago 2
Hitler was the greatest "con artist" that there ever was - he can sell the shirt off your back and you would agree with it ...plain and simple.
DSM1G90 1 year ago
pt5) So if you are trying to say that because Hitler used "God" in his oath he is somehow more sinister and a "Christian" you have a rude awakening, and one should learn the principals of Madame Blavatsky, Gobbineu, and those like Hans Reimann of Thule as well as Makaveli. As well, please be more specific to which "God" you say "Uncle Adolf" is Worshiping so I can correct myself, for you do know Lucifer is a God as well, so is my mother's Goddess/God Zeus and Hera and their children,etc; so on.
ReimannRiemannWhite 2 years ago
@ReimannRiemannWhite let me correct u there if u would but the devil or satan is by no means a god but yet a fallen angle and so are his demons and i belive they are refering to the christians god or the jews god and second of couse it is not a christian country if u look around we got jews, buddists, musslims, and atheists and if u were to go to history class america is a freedom of religon country no forced religon dumb fuck and there is 1 and only god he is the jew god and the christian god
midgetmarine2 1 year ago
america is a freedom of religon country no forced religon.
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there is 1 and only god.
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devil or satan is by no means a god but yet a fallen angle
*you sir ....are an idiot. Satan was "invented" by the catholic church which it took from the pagan god Herne/Cernous sometimes known as Old Horny. There have been zillions of gods, even monotheism is a trinity. And america: "one nation under god"?!?
temporaldisplacement 1 year ago
@temporaldisplacement no he was not invented by the catholic church he was in the jewish bible so u sir tell me y he would be in an anti christian bible and yes there is many gods such as the greek gods and other but they are what the jews and christians call false god
Gentlemen, we are not, nor have we ever been a Christian Nation...
The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a
Jewish or Mohammedan nation."
- John Adams
midgetmarine2 1 year ago 2
........if you say so.............
temporaldisplacement 1 year ago
pt4) and as a result the Salem Witch Trials, then the vile September 11th, 1857 massacre by the Mormons/Indians at Mountain Meadows in Utah, then again by Muslim and Israeli Jew-thinking radicals on September 11th, 2001 exactly 144 years after the Mormon Jew-thinkers slaughtered more than 120 White women, children, and men -est 34 White children.
Then you have the Muslims who slaughtered 300 plus White women, children, and men at Beslan School in Russia in 2003 and brag about like prophecy.
ReimannRiemannWhite 2 years ago
pt3) So when our founding fathers wrote "In God We Trust" meaning by Masonry that "In Ourselves/Man We Trust". Not to be confused with all these Jewish societies like B'nai B'rith, The Scottish Rite(which is heavily Jewish not even Scottish) , who my/our founding fathers warned against including the Negro's but no one listened.
America is not a fucking Christian country, it is created by Masons or "Builders/Creators". The Christian psychopaths managed to weasel their way in through the English
ReimannRiemannWhite 2 years ago
pt2) them over to be with our colonies at Plymouth, Jamestown, and Roanoke. Those same families like Hess, Mueller/Muller, and yes I even through research into my family found Goebbels during the Colonial period(s), who were prominent in building America.
Not to mention my ancestors like Ben Franklin and the other founding fathers were all Freemasons, who also used the Makavelian "GOD" a lot, but you never say what "God", because the Masons believed also that Man is his only "God".
ReimannRiemannWhite 2 years ago
[LMAO] you people never fucking say to anyone you are targeting, what [God] you refer too. The (NS) like the Samurai, Makaveli, and Buddhist believe that man is the eternal God in himseld/herself, not a supernatural mythological being.
Jehova, Allah, Yahweh, etc;??? Please be more specific, because my ancestors who founded America, and by the way most of the (NS) leadership were prominent American families like Strasser, Muelller/Muller, Hess, etc; since the days my mother's family brought
ReimannRiemannWhite 2 years ago
Nazis rule america
hiel hitler = yes we can
no independant thought
obey, conform or go to prison, no dissidents
no questioning 9/11
nazis rule america
lowaces 2 years ago
Yes,
This is not Nazis. I suppose you can call them 'Hitlers Army' though,
and,
It does NOT tell you about Hitler who was an 'Occultist' (as were many Nazis),
but,
His 'journey' in life leads him to what most good historians can only call 'Atheism' and even to the Nazi Occult.
He was said to 'roll eyes' at the mention of any of it.
'Gott Mit Uns' is a 'legacy slogan' that goes back to Caesar.
A Roman 'War Cry' (God = Caesar).
Mao and Stalin WAY out-murdered Hitler though.
ElProximo 2 years ago
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nazi are gay and don't wanna say! GAY GAY GAY
brunohoffma 2 years ago
The movie "The Boys From Brazil" made mention of Hitler's deep blue eyes. The most loved person in history, Hitler radiated power, presence, calmness, sincerity, enlightenment and gravity. When films of Hitler were played at the sham Nuremberg trials, Goering believed it would exonerate all of the German officers because everyone there could witness just how great and irresistable was this human phenomenon. Mick Jagger told Leni Riefenstahl that he had seen "Triumph Of The Will" 25 times.
NotAllGoyimAreStupid 2 years ago 4
Why does everyone think nazi's only came from Germany.
They are in AMERICA,FRANCE,RUSSIA,NETHERLANDS,ITALIE,JAPAN everywhere.
Stopping stereotyping the german people u ugly piece of shit.
Americans are the one's u should watch out for bombing they own buildings to get oil.
And don't say we saved ur ass during WW II because that's not like it at all u Americans where neutral till they of course attacked ur srry country...
So....
WEG MET JOUW'
GONE WITH YOU
RAUS DU HUND
987654321MW 2 years ago
because Germany invented nazism
Arterisser 2 years ago
"Why does everyone think nazi's only came from Germany.
They are in AMERICA,FRANCE,RUSSIA,NETHERLA NDS,ITALIE,JAPAN everywhere.
Stopping stereotyping the german people u ugly piece of shit."
Uhm... as far as Nazis go the Germans were, like... particularly prominent.
LeLimeLine 2 years ago
You are thinking of neo-nazis. The orginal nazi party (NSDAP) was the first Nazi goverment to rule in the world.
lurifaxable 2 years ago
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fuck you nazi shits
u are fukin foreigners coming into the usa and uk trying to start hit man fuk u
i hope the British and US forces take you germans out
laenzriquelme 2 years ago
cry more
JosefFritzlReligion 2 years ago
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GunOwnerDan 2 years ago
Sieg Heil!
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
HHAna88 2 years ago 2
You should follow your "leader".
I like how the coward blew his brain out, just wish he did it a few years sooner!
GunOwnerDan 2 years ago
How so "coward"? He was bravely fighting the Jewish crime network that had taken over Europe, Britain, USA and the Soviet Union.
kps75 2 years ago
Hahahaha!
Advancedgod 2 years ago
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Hey look, its a bunch of Obama supporters...
erato99 2 years ago
HEIL HITLER
I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
hellsing1666 2 years ago 3
Sieg Heil!!!!
"Ich schwöre Dir, Adolf Hitler, als Führer und Kanzler des Reiches Treue und Tapferkeit. Ich gelobe Dir und den von Dir bestimmten Vorgesetzten Gehorsam bis in den Tod, so wahr mit Gott helfe."
NAVYVICK 2 years ago 3
u ARE A RETARD DIP SHIT THE SPEACH GOES ON FOR THE 5 MORE MINETS U EMBARISING WANNABE NAZI IM GERMAN AND IF YOU ARE TWO U ARE SHAME FULL AND A GREAT DISGRASE YOU DAMN RETARTED FUCK PIG.
fountainsucks1 2 years ago
More respect to the Fuhrer please...
davlor86 2 years ago
A look at Hitler's favourite, new-build army, the SS, should be more telling: It's motto was not "Gott mit uns" but "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" (loyalty is my honour).
And listen, if you can find "Gott" in the oath of the SS: /watch?v=3necLq4Yn00
slugtoucher 2 years ago
"Gott mit uns" and "Ich schwöre bei Gott..." have a long tradition in a Christian country. What does it prove, when a politician doesn't all over spurn the believe of the majority of his people, but turns the believe to his advantage?
Even dictators are not independent from the approval of their people and their generals.
slugtoucher 2 years ago
So then Hitler did, in fact bow down to the Christian God speaking through the minds of his own beloved (and above all brainwashed) Aryan crowd
realisoph 2 years ago
Hitler believed in a christian god.
kiamal 2 years ago
No he didn't. He believed the creator was alot greater than that - a petty, vengeful God? No - Humanity is not even on Gods radar he is so great - the Abrahamic traditions are arrogant to see him as some kind of genie that may be conjoured up to do thier bidding.
andy7666 2 years ago
Greater than my arse or rather coming out of it? As for my 5 cents, the almighty one is a pile of (mostly verbal) excrement.
realisoph 2 years ago
Nothing evokes more power than using the name of a god to promote your ideas.
GawdOfThunder 2 years ago 2
How sad, if that were so.
realisoph 2 years ago
Funny how Hitler only talked about his love of Christ in his writings, when talking about religion. Did the historians tamper with his writings? If they did, there is no evidence to go by, so you saying Hitler was not a Christian is simply a conclusion you came to out of denial- and thats just an idiotic method of thinking.
andrewslinuxbox 2 years ago
Quote from Hitler:
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.
So the only way Hitler is not a christian is if he was lying. I don't know but somehow I believe him. Looking at the bloody history of the christian churches who can doubt it!
brahmamurti 2 years ago 2
I am interested in this comment of yours and am wondering if you could tell me were I can find accredited documentary proof of this statement by him...also have you ever heard if Hitler read the Quern ...I was told he was given one by and was the last "holy book he read" I also find it interesting that in is opening speech 1933 he used the Muslim term kufer ( not sure of spelling } for dirty nonbelievers
AmericanResponses 2 years ago
A church that has modernised and moved forward, unlike the desert cult of paedophile worship that supports antisemitism, homophobia ans sexism, generally known as the term islam; a dirty religion born out of war and to this day espousing violence.
ianh321 2 years ago
A very conservative estimate is that the Christians have killed around 150 million people from 325 CE til the 1800's. This is not government, but murder ordered by the Christian churches!
fatfist 2 years ago
Even IF Adolf wasn't a christian it wouldn't change the fact that christianity is a cult that has murdered MILLIONS of people, just because they are different. Christians believe in an invisible zombie jew that lives in the cosmos, Wake The Fuck UP people! 2000 year old mythologies written by goat herders do not belong in this modern society. Belief in such a thing is intellectually restrictive and a plague for the human mind.
MistaJussu 2 years ago 4
ROFLMAO........"invisible zombie jew"
TheLostPagan 2 years ago
Did I say something wrong?
MistaJussu 2 years ago
no......i almost died laughing when you typed that.
TheLostPagan 2 years ago
=D well, you can also say "dead jew on a stick"
MistaJussu 2 years ago
hahahah. that could work too. ^_^
TheLostPagan 2 years ago
BRAAAAINS !
BRAAAAAAAAINS!
shubidubar 2 years ago 2
@MistaJussu Not mentioning that all Anti Semitism was a thing suported by the Church and Christians alike for ages Anti Semistism wasnt invented by Hitler and the Nazis it was alot more earlier how many jews died in Crusades? In Fires of Inquisicion? In Pogroms? All suported by the Holy Church and Holy Christians
The famous and popular Passions of Christ were anti semitic in nature and Hitler was one of those that suported them
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@MistaJussu
modern society is the plague. the ancient scripts are the one of the only ways to feel a connection to the past that modern sociey took upon itself to try to kill, as well as culture and our race. so your estimation is wrong... its not q beleif, as much as it is a political weapon and a hope to reconnect to the past. for however bloody the past was, it was less destructive on our people than "modern society" has laid ITS hands on us.
combatleague 1 year ago
@MistaJussu See: "Catholic Inquisition and the Tools of Torture" on youtube.
MegaGayjesus 1 year ago
@MistaJussu
Another misled person. Let me enlighten you by asking you to show me the scripture that the "followers of this cult" had as a basis to murder MILLIONS of people. Can't find the scripture where Jesus told people to abuse his message about "love of neighbor" and "turning the other cheek" by murdering millions? Well, guess what, that's because THERE IS NO SUCH SCRIPTURE.
Do not worry. Your so desired persecution and mass-murder of CHRISTIANS will come soon enough.
reubenprowse 1 year ago
@MistaJussu Yeah, riiiight. So you think Atheism which has killed more than 50 million people is the way to go? Modern society? Who introduced the first universities as we know them into Central and Northern Europe? Who did a great deal to stop cannibalism? What religion were the majority of the Abolitionists? If it were true that Christianity was the reason Hitler did what he did, how come not more dictators like Hitler emerged in the various other Christian countries?
eric5335 1 year ago
@eric5335 And who is still, in the 21st century, discriminating women, gays, blacks and people who have sex without being married? Who's telling people with AIDS that it's their own fault, a punishment from God? Who's raping children, prohibiting women to have an abortion or to use condoms? ANY religion leads to intolerance, atheists are generally a lot more moral then theists
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 So, where in the Bible do the majority of Christians find anything to justify the discrimination of blacks? Are all Christians racists? Is that really what you believe? And discriminating women? Really? Well, if you think modern western culture treats women with respect and as human beings rather than sexual objects (like in much of modern music). Who's raping children? Well, I don't. That's a sin. And abortion? Do you think abortion is right? Killing Innocent unborn babies?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 By the way, what is wrong with 'trying different things'? You never try on a pair of shoes before you buy them? Especially if you plan to wear those shoes for the rest of your life? And the very first abolitionists were the Quakers, although it is true that the movement didn't convert a mass audience until the christians got involved. But the people who colonized Africa in the first place were christians too. And they didn't quite see the blacks as human beings, but more like animals.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "And they didn't quite see the blacks as human beings, but more like animals."
So how come Christians today can't seem to find justifications in the Bible to hate blacks and people of other races? How about black Christians? Are there only white Christians in your mind?
eric5335 9 months ago
This may be out of context. If it is, just take it with a grain of salt. There's a theory in the Bible that explains the reasons for the struggles of the Black Man(African). It is the story of Noah and his sons Shem, Japeth, and Ham. Ham found his father(Noah) drunk, naked, and passed out in a tent. Ham told his other brothers and they went and placed a sheet over him. Noah woke up and knew what Ham did and cursed Ham's son, Canaan. "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be..."
doublej706 9 months ago
@eric5335 The explanation for this is simple: when christians colonized Africa, they forced Africans to leave their own religion and become christian. Indoctrination is what created black christians (and white christians too, of course).
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "Indoctrination is what created black christians (and white christians too, of course)."
So the pagans were forced to join the Christian religion? And ALL the people who chose the Truth in Jesus Christ by themselves are just brainwashed zombies? Wow, great argument (sarcasm).
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 First of all, slow down please, you're bombarding me with comments. Every religion started out as a cult. Over time, it gets more and more accepted, and more people accept it as 'the truth'. That's when we start calling it a religion. The religion you are part of is mostly determined by where you live. If all the people around you are christians, then you are likely to become a christian. If everyone around you called the sky green, would you call it blue?
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Everybody around me are not Christians. Well, there are very small cultural remnants of Christianity where I live, in Denmark. I think it's the same with Belgium. Not even my parents go to church (only on Christmas). I chose the Thruth in Jesus Christ myself. I was kind of like an agnostic, probably like most people here in Denmark. But I was never really completely closed to the idea of the Bible and the Christian beliefs.
eric5335 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 I don't know where you get that Christians discriminate against blacks from. Did you know that the majority of the Abolitionists (those who where against slavery in the US), where Christians and justified their opposition to slavery because of their religious beliefs.
And do you like that people have sex without being married, which means they probably do it just for pleasure? People cheat on eachother and have several partners for what? To try different "things"?
eric5335 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Do you also think abortion is a right? Well, why? Why do you justify abortion? For what? Why should the life of a child inside the mother's womb be terminated? What has the child ever done to anybody? Or don't you see unborn babies as human beings? Then tell me why?
I can go on and on and give you reasons (both Biblical and non-Biblical) why homosexuality, abortion and the non-appreciation of family-life is bad for society.
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 "And do you know that people having sex without being married, which means they probably do it just for pleasure?"
Oh no, God forbid that people have pleasure! I am 17, not married and sexually active, and I have a lot of pleasure doing it. But I've only done it with one person, for almost a year now, and I've never cheated on any of my boyfriends.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "Oh no, God forbid that people have pleasure!"
So what do you do it for? For your own pleasure? What would the world be like if everybody just followed and took what they lust for? Not just sex but other things?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 I don't 'just take what I lust for', that would be rape. I only engage in sexual activity with mutual consent. What is wrong with two people just enjoying themselves? The whole point of atheism is that you act in favor of the world, of other people, and that you do good because you want to, not because you fear a god or hell. If we don't hurt anyone by having sex, why shouldn't we? It's certainly more innocent than pedophile priests, now isn't it? (btw,I'm not referring to ALL priests)
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@eric5335 I think abortion is a right, say you're a 12-year old girl and raped by your own father, the fetus is less than 12 weeks old and there is a 80% chance that it will be severely handicapped, and have a very short and painful life. Situations like this exist, even in the Western world. Now, wouldn't abortion be the right thing to do then? And where on earth do you get the idea that homosexuals are bad for society? And the non-appreciation of family-life, what do you mean by that?
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "By the way, what is wrong with 'trying different things'?"
So now a wife or a husband is just an object, a shoe, that needs to be tried before you buy it?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 I'm not saying you should see a husband or wife as an object, you completely missed my point. If you plan to live with that one person for the rest of your life, shouldn't you know in advance if you connect with them in bed? Sex is not just a way to breed, it's fun and should be fun for both parties. So many couples are divorcing now, because they can't connect in bed. An average couple has sex three times a week, so don't say it's not important or that it's just for making babies.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 You see how it's just about sex anyway. You exactly prove my point why society is degenerating. Divorce because of bad sex? And what about the children? It's selfishness. Can't you see it?
And you make it sound like couples should only choose the "right" "sex partner".
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 No,no,no, you must've misunderstood. First of all, not all of these couples even have children. Divorce is not selfish. Or do you think that you should stay with someone who makes you unhappy for the rest of your life? Why pretend sex is totally irrelevant and something to be ashamed of? Of course there's more to life (or marriage) than sex, but please stop muffling your instincts away, it's natural and there's nothing wrong with it as long as you don't hurt anyone.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 But why don't people seem to get married and have children anymore? I mean, it seems like people have different things in life, these days that are more important. Young people only want to party. Young girls lying half naked, on the streets at 5 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, very funny It's horrible how low society has sinked!
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 Getting married and having children is a personal choice. The young girls lying around half naked in the streets are exceptions, you don't really believe they're all like that, do you? All the 'young people' I know, do many other stuff than party. They study, think about their future, read books and love their parents. That 'sunken society' you mention, that's not a new thought. It's something that comes up every generation again and again. It's all about perception.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Well, I am only 19 myself. I see what the youth culture is like today. I observe what happens. I myself participated in drinking and all that party stuff. But not nearly to the extent some people do it today. Many of my classmates and almost all other students in my school drink and party every Friday. And now there's something called "little Friday". And that's mostly it. That's what their life is. School and partying.
eric5335 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "I think abortion is a right,"
Why should the child be punished instead of the rapist, who in probably almost all cases is an adult, who should be old enough not to do such things?
The child will be handicapped? Probably, yes, but should handicapped people not have a right to live? Painful life? Maybe, yes, but don't you think there also are wonderful moments in life? And what about a 40 year old alcoholic? Is that a painful life? But should that person be put to death?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 Again, you missed my point. First of all, we're not talking about a child, we're talking about a fetus. An egg is not a chicken, a tree is not a chair. A young fetus can't think or feel, is not developed enough to be called a person yet. It just has a possibility of becoming one, that's it.
Of course the rapist should be punished, no doubt about that.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Humans don't come from eggs and trees and chairs don't develop moving arms and legs and a brain.
Life begins at conception.
If a fetus is not human? What is it then? An animal?
A zygote is biologically alive. It has metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli and reproduction (cell production and twinning).
The human conceptus also has a unique genetic code.
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 I did not say a fetus isn't human, I said it's not a person. At least not yet. It has the possibility to become one, just like the egg has the possibility to become a chicken, and the tree to become a chair. Get my point there?
Biologically, a zygote is alive, like you said, but it is not a baby yet. It's a group of cells, that's all. It doesn't think or feel pain. I think it's funny though that you bring up biology and ignore my previous bible quote.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 What Bible quote?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 the one about God breathing life into Adam
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@eric5335 Handicapped people have a right to live, but what in the situation I tried to explain, by having it born, you give this child a short life and it will always be in pain. Maybe it will have happy moments, but that wouldn't weigh out the pain, which it should never have had to feel if the girl had an abortion. And, this makes the '40 year old alcoholic' irrelevant, it is not 'put to death', the pregnancy was terminated before the child's life began.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Why is it that the people who support abortion are already born? What about having concern for the life of the innocent unborn?
How can you determine beforehand what life the unborn child will have? So to "protect" the child from pain, you kill it?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 People who support abortion are already born because... well, obviously, if they weren't born, then they wouldn't be able to support anything would they? I was a zygote once and I became a person, but if my parents had decided not to keep me, I wouldn't be here. It's as simple as that. I would never realize it because I wouldn't exist, and I'm sure my parents would've had a good reason for not having me.
To use the same example again, you don't kill a chicken by eating an egg, do you?
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 So now, you think it was the right decision your parents made?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 That's irrelevant. My parents decided to keep me, thus I am here. If they hadn't, I wouldn't be here. Since my parents were not having any major financial, psychological or other problems, they decided to have me.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
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@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "Since my parents were not having any major financial, psychological or other problems, they decided to have me."
Just the words that are being used "keep me", "decided to have me". It's sickening how little value life has today.
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 Hope and pray for me all you want, I think I already made my up mind about religion a long time ago. I hope you look around the ThinkAtheist website sometime, just to understand us better. (After all, most atheists have read the bible too) Good night
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@eric5335 You forget a very important factor: the 12 year old girl. This girl would have to quit school, face bullies and be a mother at such a young age. She didn't ask for this, she was raped. So according to you, she should have to sacrifice her youth for a child that she didn't want and that will be a burden for its whole environment? This hypothetical girl is still a child herself, how would she take care of a baby?
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
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eric5335 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 "You forget a very important factor: the 12 year old girl."
Again. It's the adult who should be punished, not the child.
But how can you know if the 12 year old girl would not love her child? And if she can't take care of the child, the child could be taken care of by other parent, i.e. adoption, right? Wouldn't that be a possibility? Why should the innocent unborn be punished with death?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 She still would have to carry it around for nine months. You don't think she would have to sacrifice things if she just gave the kid away? I mentioned bullying, and there's a whole lot of other psychological damage that could be done. (although I'm not denying there could be some psychological damage if she had an abortion).
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 Who would bully the 12 year old child?
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 That could be anyone. Wouldn't you raise your eyebrows if you saw a pregnant 12 year old? Even if you wouldn't judge her for it, you'd notice. People with red hair get bullied all the time, and they're much less noticeable then pregnant children.
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
@MyEffinRomanceNr1 And why should bullying be considered one of the justifications for an abortion? Those who bully are probably insecure and have nothing to do and have no values.
eric5335 9 months ago
@eric5335 It's about what's more important: the possibility of life for a kid in the circumstances I described, or the life of a young girl that has walked the earth for 12 years. I said bullying AND other psychological problems. The sum of it all could add up to suicide. Or at least a very unhappy life. For me, the life of this girl is more important than the zygote. But of course, the choice should be up to her. If she decides to keep it, no problem. She shouldn't be forced in either direction
MyEffinRomanceNr1 9 months ago
Question: Did the Soldiers also say this right after Paul von Hindenburg died, and then they swore an alliagance to the Fuhur ??
PapagenoJuan 2 years ago
"I would love a chance to educate you"
These words spoken by a truly delusional mind. People that use phases like that are usually uniformed dolts or a know it all who knows nothing.
Hitler was a Christian you Idiot.
Lotus4115 3 years ago
This a good example of taking the lords name in VAIN.
no1saphead 2 years ago
Hilter, good Catholic.
Lotus4115 3 years ago 2
Um, why is this video cut short? I want to see the whole thing! This isn't the entire oath.
jpxpert 3 years ago 4
yeah thats what i said....
cuntcumcunt 3 years ago
And my proof lies in utterly hours of footage of SS soldiers shooting priest,Rabbis and arresting an protestant who did'nt become apart of his proxy "reich Church" which was meant to hold on to germans. Your confusing Hitler's attempt to fool the german people with him actually beliving. He clearly did not,or he wouldn't have issued the order to remove all crosses and crucifixes from Reich lands and replace thme with the swastica(a NORDIC symbol of power/the sun)
heero171 3 years ago
Whoa whoa whoa... hang on.. given that Hitler was obviously disturbed but he wasn't the occultist, Himmler was. Hitler's ideas were in the same form as the inquisition for the wrong reasons. The Third Reich was a political party in which the members did some crazy things by the end of the war because Hitler was already crazy and by then addicted to meth (I was surprised too, but it is a fact.)
PuppetMask 3 years ago
Darwin + Occult = Theosophy
xxmonickkkkaxx 3 years ago
Dude had the right idea.
It was just poor planning.
darkfall35 3 years ago
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If you had understanding of what they were really doing, you would see that their proclamation was in fact, a denouncing of God.
Considering, that those were common soldiers, most probably raised in Christians homes, it would have been difficult for the leaders of the reich, to have convinced them to straightforth denounce God.
To have made an oath to Hitler that was in essence, revereing him as God, and swearing it by God. Is in fact denouncing God.
The reich required trickery
Chuichupachichi 3 years ago
"If you had understanding of what they were really doing, you would see that their proclamation was in fact, a denouncing of God."
Of course, and black is white, and up is down, too! Idiots are so much fun....
BlissfulKnowledge 3 years ago 2
@BlissfulKnowledge God has being denoucing since a guy from the desert had idea of him xD. How this different from what Church made during ages and ages? Every religion is form of social and political control
ImperialGuard9001 1 year ago
@ImperialGuard9001
That's where you're wrong. If you read the bible and follow the Christ, whose kingdom is "no part of this world", you would not fight for Hitler or Israel or Palpatine or anybody. NOT EVEN IN THE NAME OF CHRIST!
This is what gets me. People like you have never even read the bible, so do not make a conclusion about it.
And instead of saying stuff like "God has being denoucing since a guy from the desert had idea" --> Einstein and Newton and many more geniuses believed in God.
reubenprowse 1 year ago
Does the US president denounce God when he takes his oath? No. This is the same thing just in a German version
mzqp80 3 years ago 5
If as you claim they are denouncing god they why did the wehmracht wear belt buckles inscribed with the phrase 'Gott Mit Uns' which in English means 'God be with us'?
FartyBandit 3 years ago 9
@FartyBandit yepp
DreptDeLaMouse 1 year ago
chuich - "To have made an oath to Hitler that was in essence, revereing him as God, and swearing it by God. Is in fact denouncing God. "
Might I introduce you to Jesus camp where the very same thing is being done but instead of Hitler, we have BUSH.
LoraSinger 3 years ago 6
hitler believed in god. its pretty obvious.
oh and guess why he killed the jews? because the christian church raised him to hate the "christ killers". christians have murdered, persecuted and hated the jews 4 centuries
liber8me 3 years ago 3
"oh and guess why he killed the jews? because the christian church raised him to hate the "christ killers". christians have murdered, persecuted and hated the jews 4 centuries"
Incorrect, he persecuted Jews because of the intolerance shown to him in an Art School that was primarily funded by the Jewish community.
Landerman223 3 years ago
lol no
anti-semitism was a political tool that hitler used.
he drew on thousands of years of european hatred of the jews because they were regarded as killing jesus.
why do you think the jews have been hated for so long? why do you think the people of europe helped hitler kill the jews?
liber8me 3 years ago
"Incorrect, he persecuted Jews because of the intolerance shown to him in an Art School that was primarily funded by the Jewish community."
Sorry you can't rewrite history.
0lord0kinbote0 3 years ago
Thats just speculation. Hitler had his own reasons. Jews were a perfect target to round up the masses and gain a sense of nationalism for his own causes.
1nonlyqaise1 3 years ago 2
actually,that's not true at all. He was an occultist..who believed that Christianity was inferior to National Socialism and that ancient pagean rituals and his version of history would dominate all other beliefs systems. You people know nothing of history and your ignorance will be your undoing.Read a few history books,instead of just assuming that you know everything.
heero171 3 years ago
actually all the research points to hitler
a) hating the jews - a hatred brought on thanks to christianity and b) hating atheists.
read your own history books - look at his catholic upbringing, his speeches and his writings. they all point to christianity.
liber8me 3 years ago
? Oh really,then why did The waffen SS tear down catholic churches in France/Poland? Obviously the Polish were racially inferior,but the French were never mentioned as being inferior. My friend,Hitler was not religious,he was a secular facist who twisted history,race and culture to suit his version of an Aryan civilization.I can assure you that even Himmler(who had a catholic upbringing) was a fierce occultist. The naizis had ambitions to destroy all religions,except their newly created one.
heero171 3 years ago
thats funny because hitler had programs to destroy atheism.
all of his speeches, writings, symbolism etc demonstrated that he was a christian.
you say he was an occultist, and then you say that he was secular. make up your mind. do you have any proof of either?
liber8me 3 years ago
if you are secular you believe in the separation of church and state, yet you say he was destroying religions and trying to spread his own? you're very confused
liber8me 3 years ago
Exactly,he saw any form of religion or an Idea apart from his view of pure Aryian/Nordic race as a threat. I must recorrect my past statment(you are indeed right) Hitler's ideals are secualr in that they don't regard the existence of a god to relevant,but rather that religious institutions that are submissive to him as the supreme leader(in the hopes that they will be cleansed later) those that weren't were destroyed if they failed to take an oath of allegence.
heero171 3 years ago
FALSE!
PLATOON72 3 years ago
scoves, you are a stupid peice of shit
killninja666 3 years ago
this whole hitler/christian thing is stupid and irrelevent(to talking atheist morality, not to understanding the character of hitler) noone ive seen seems to understand this shit. hitler was in a bid for power,the churches had power and mass influence,hes going to do what he needs to regardless, weather its kiss there ass or destroy them, just like hundreds of european kings before him.anyway pointless, learn some psychology already, motives and actions are diff, its the motives that matter.
itstartedinmud 3 years ago
itstarted - "hitler was in a bid for power,the churches had power and mass influence,hes going to do what he needs to regardless"
Kind of makes you think of the very same pandering that is going on right now between the politicians and the RELIGIOUS RIGHT, Right?
LoraSinger 3 years ago 5
It's never been any different.
megamarsvin 3 years ago 2
Hitler was not a Christian...
Why don't you show Islamics beheading in the name of their God, beheading women and children just because they want to drink water that was made in America!!!
If you hate America so much why don't you go live in those Islamics peoples countries!!!
Hitler enaged in lustful, unGodly sexuality with his cousin.
PastorWillyCox 4 years ago