Ex-Gay Survivor Eric - P1 - Suicide & The Porcelain Punisher

[siholgs]

You just need to come to Jesus. You don't need any therapy at all. Jesus loves you no matter what but He also doesn't want you to stay in sin. He can truly change you. Be Blessed.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs, there is no "sin" in being gay; it's a perfectly normal, natural part of life, as designed and approved of by God. Sure, fallible and/or ignorant men have deluded themselves into thinking that all sorts of the Lord's creations are "bad", but God is not so confused. he loves the gays. He creates the gays. He wants the gays here. Why argue with the Lord? Gay is good according to God, and that's enough for me.

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 I am under the impression you think God also created pedophilia, incest and beastility. I hope I'm wrong. Homosexuality is sin. I lived that way. No one told me it was wrong. I knew it from within and any homosexual is convicted by God's Spirit, they just chose to ignore that conviction. I hope you will come to Jesus and let yourself be redeemed from your sin. God bless you.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs, CORRECTION: you are under delusions about my point of view; please do not superimpose your own thought processes onto others. No rational individual would try to link consensual, loving relationships between adults, relationships that nourish, enhance & sustain their lives, with raping children or abusing animals. Why do anti-gays always resort to such madness? It's like saying, if people of color are allowed to marry, it's the same as defiling corpses. The leap in logic is insane.

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 Who says anything about raping children? I said pedophilia and pedophilia is sexual attraction to little kids. Now, whether that person rapes the child or not, that's a different case. Because even homosexuals can rape as well. Why are you such a bigot of accusing pedophiles are all rapists? They just 'love' little children, that's all. And for them, that's what's natural, inherent. So, that must have been from God, right?

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs demands, "Why are you such a bigot of accusing pedophiles are all rapists?"

This petulant, mewling response of yours does your credibility or argument no good, I'm afraid, and only makes you look intellectually feeble.

"What about incest? That can be between two consensual adults. Please don't be a bigot and tell me it's wrong."

(See my comment, above.)

Rational people understand the difference between romantic & familial love. Or pedophilia. Or whatever else you can dream up.

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 You're the one who said pedophiles are child rapists. That's like saying all homosexuals have aids. How would you like if someone says that to you? Familial love... Don't you know? They have a new term for it, it's called genetic sexual attraction. It's supposed to be inherent and genetic. God created it. So, it's good? Sigh... please don't give me double standards.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs bleats, "You're the one who said pedophiles are child rapists"

Because pedophiles who coerce children into sex...rape children. See how that works?

"That's like saying all homosexuals have aids."

Not to any RATIONAL person, though.

"Sigh... please don't give me double standards.'

I'm not; you're inventing all these delusions in your head, yourself.

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 Well, not all pedophiles are like that. Some pedophiles (people with sexual attraction to children) just watch kiddie porn, not that I agree with. But they don't always rape. I'm just trying to be objective here and not accuse all pedophiles are rapists. I wonder if they will come up with a new term suggesting pedophilia is inherent just like Genetic Sexual Attraction is inherent :) Let's be fair with all the perversion :)

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs, but of course, homosexuality is no more a "perversion" than you being the race you are, so your vain correlation between normal, adult relationships and pedophilia is already unfair.

[StigRossi]

@siholgs

The reason pedophilia is wrong is the same reason that parents have to be around when their kid is getting surgery. CONSENT! Kids aren't able to give it in any situation such as sex or surgery.

[siholgs]

@StigRossi Well, what if the kid consent with that? You do know they are going to have the so called "child protection" which actually strip the parent's rights and let the kid do whatever they want. And what about incest? 2 consenting adults, father and daughter, mother and son, I guess that's ok right? :) Just because 2 people consent to do something, it doesn't make it right.

[StigRossi]

@siholgs

So are you against heteros having anal or oral sex too?

And technically 2 ppl of AGE can consent to any sexual act.

ARe you also against eating shellfish?

Should I be allowed to sell my daughter into sex slavery if she doesnt agree with me?

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 What about incest? That can be between two consensual adults. Please don't be a bigot and tell me it's wrong. It's love! It must have been from God. Wait, defiling corpses? But they just love corpses, who are you to say "defile"? Shouldn't people be free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone? It's just corpses anyway. No one's hurt and they just want to express their love.

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 No, homosexuality is not the same as color of skin. Skin color is natural, homosexuality isn't. No, I'm not anti-gays. If I am anti-gays, I wouldn't bother telling gay people they are living a lifestyle of rebellion to God. Wage of sin is death. People like you are anti-gays, you want them to keep living in rebellion against God.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs claims, "Skin color is natural, homosexuality isn't."

God and nature both prove you wrong. God, by continuing to create, love, and keep His gay children right here on earth, as part of His divine plan for mankind, and nature, by incorporating homosexuality in countless ways across the human and animal kingdoms. Of course, you don't have to accept nature, and you don't have to agree with God's will, but in the end, where will denying reality get you?

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 I don't claim it. It's a fact. God ordained man and woman. At least, the God the Creator. You are worshiping a different god, maybe the blind mother nature goddess. No matter how hard you try to deny reality, you can't. Like I said, if you want to keep living in sin, that's your choice. God has given us the free will to choose whatever. Just don't use God the Creator as your pretext.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs tries, "It's a fact. God ordained man and woman"

Sure, He created men & women to be together if they're str8, just like He created gay people for each other. God loves heterosexuals too.

"You are worshiping a different god"

I tend to dismiss the man-made "god" of the Bible, who was created by men to promote their own agenda & excuse their own ignorance. I take my cue from the one, true Creator of all things in heaven & earth.. But YOU don't have to agree with God & me.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs, if you knew from within that homosexuality was wrong for you, then you were not, and are not, inherently gay. Most people living a lie know deep inside that what they are doing is wrong. Gay people feigning heterosexuality know it. Str8 people experimenting with homosexuality will see it. They key is to let God's voice guide you down whatever path is right for you. If He made you gay or str8, you must accept yourself as such, because that's the way He wants you. And God knows best.

[siholgs]

@GodCreatesGays2 There's no such thing as "inherently" gay. I was attracted to men since I was very little. I think I was about 5-6 years old when I started to fancy about men. No, I didn't chose to have those attractions but later on I did chose to act on it. Yes, I followed God's voice and that led me to redemption from homosexuality. No, God didn't make me gay nor anyone. If you want to keep living in sin, that's your choice, just don't use God to justify your sin.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs proves my point of the innate nature of homosexuality, by admitting, "I was attracted to men since I was very little. I think I was about 5-6 years old when I started to fancy about men. No, I didn't chose to have those attractions"

Then contradicts himself with the absurd comment, "There's no such thing as 'inherently' gay"

"If you want to keep living in sin, that's your choice, just don't use God to justify your sin."

Curious how you deem my trusting God over men to be "sinful".

[MrRyukage]

@GodCreatesGays2 I think he just trying find something in himself .

[GodCreatesGays2]

@MrRyukage, exactly. But denying the truth will never help him find peace.

[MrRyukage]

@GodCreatesGays2 And his response to me proves my point.

[MrRyukage]

@siholgs HOw loving another person of the same sex be "sinful" Have you even read the bible clearly about David and Johnathan and many more. Do you really love yourself to accept that part of yourself that you can't change? Prove me wrong.

[siholgs]

@MrRyukage Who says loving someone of same sex is sin? Having sex with them IS. Sex is not love by the way. Don't reduce love to sex. Sex ordained to between man and woman in holy union. David and Jonathan never had sex, huge difference. Do I love myself? Yeah, Now I do. I used to hate myself until I learned God loves me no matter what. You're right I can't change but God can change me. And His love changed me. Why you're so desperate to prove God can't change people?

[MrRyukage]

@siholgs Nope, sounds like you still hate yourself for something that was deemed to be "wrong", It's not wrong, it's just different the rest of everyone. You just don't want to see that you can love a man in the same as a heterosexual man can with a woman, You're just lying to yourself and you know it. Alot people like still stay the never changed then what about people who left and said they never did. You're just taking the easy way out because you just don't have enough love for yourself.

[siholgs]

@MrRyukage If anything, I love myself now because God loves me. Now I don't need to look for love elsewhere or need people's approval. Thank you for accusing me of lying. And why are you so discontent with what God has done with my life? I respect people who wants to be gay. It's their choice. I never force anyone to be gay or to be straight. It's a choice. Yes, I didn't have enough love for myself, that's why I need God's love, not SEX with other men. Yes, I love men as brothers. Is that bad?

[MrRyukage]

@siholgs Pot calling the kettle back.

[MrRyukage]

@siholgs You proved my point, That you're lying to yourself about who you are. I just only feel pity that you can't find peace within yourself that you have to suppress that part of yourself for someone else's approval, what right is that you can't please everyone just because.It's like you're choosing to write with your hand that you know it's not comfortable to write that hand and just write with the other one. You don't need suppress that part of yourself just because people said it's wrong.

[siholgs]

@MrRyukage Ok, mryukage :) Thank you for talking as if you know my life :) It's funny, how people love to accuse other people of something they know not. Yeah, I don't need to suppress myself. That's why I'm exercising my right for free speech that is to tell people they can find redemption in Christ. I hope you will not suppress me for that. Thank you.

[MrRyukage]

@siholgs,Gee I hit a nerve. I wasn't accusing you something, I was stating the obvious because there others like you who claim to be "changed" when really they don't love themselves enough to accept that fact they're gay and they choose to suppress that. You made it all too easy for me.

[siholgs]

@MrRyukage Again, I thank you for talking as if you know my life. I suppose it your entitled for your opinion. However, it remains only an opinion. And no you didn't hit any nerve. Sorry to disappoint you.

[MrRyukage]

@siholgs Yes I did, beside you came to for the attention. You're just one huge sucker. You're just another disillusioned "ex gay",I don't have to try because many that are like you. Haven't ever heard of those ex-ex gays or Ted Haggard. Eventually that gonna happened one way or another.

[GodCreatesGays2]

@siholgs Repressing, denying & hating your innate, natural homosexuality is not honoring God; it's acquiescing to the prejudice of ignorant men who mistakenly claim that God hate gays. God made you gay, That's the way He wants you. If you loved & trusted the Him, rather than caving in to men's agenda of bigotry, you'd accept yourself the way you really are: gay. Sadly, the devil has manipulated you into thinking that the way God made you is wrong. One day, perhaps, the Lord WILL enter your soul.

[MrRyukage]

@siholgs God can't change people because people created God in their own design of idealism, You're just too lock up in what ought to be then what it is,you're gay and will allways be gay. Because you even said that you were born that way but choose to suppress that part because you don't love yourself enough to accept that.

[RogrClemns]

The comments here are so typical...If you think that America is a great country all you have to do is look outside it's borders this country Sucks...Shut up...i went to Desert Storm and Iragy Freedom I'm still gay and in the military now I'm back in the US and I no this country is so put on with so many falsehoods, all the smoke and mirrors to keep this bullcrap story going america will emplode on its self because of bullcrap religiousity and the magine ragine...I cant wait

[soschadao]

i know exactly what you are talking about. this is stuff i've known. in my life it was the same, i was the only gay man in a family of conservitive caribean christians. i have tried comitting suicide myself. i cut myself and i was still alive, i had to learn to accept what i was. i left the church and i started my own religious and personal journey and now i am a minister.

[brody80]

You survived for a reason. No matter if you're gay or not. It doesn't matter to me. Make you belief in god prevail in whatever you believe.

God bless you...this is coming from a non-religious individual. Bye...Jason Adams.

[MACteh1]

what flameofanor5 said......

[flameofanor5]

When we "look in the mirror" we want to reflect God, and what He thinks about us. Who cares about what everyone else thinks, the only thing that matters, is what God thinks. He loves us for who we are, even if we're gay, asian, black, white, or mentally ill.

[cherylgraham2]

Great set of videos. Congratulations, keep up the great work.

[b157566]

Eric, I came over here from Peterson Toscano's blog where he had this video. Although many of us have different stories, the stories have many common threads. I am also a gay Christian and I am also familiar with the Holy Spirit causing us to fail at taking pills to end the pain. Barry