This may be a bit over due but the best song i've ever come across apart from killing in the name to blow the propaganda cobwebs from my ears is Fuck The System by The Exploited. Don't like the band but the song has a tenancy to make me what to storm parliament in my amour plated underpants and scream the place down. Hope you have a good Saturday. :O)
There's plenty of good trying to change the world type films rather than destroying it, though the reactionaries do try so hard. Like La Battala de Chile (you'll have to torrent it and down load a subs file) potentially the best documentary ever made. There's a very long film about the Paris Commune which someone has uploaded all 26 parts! And Chris Marker is worth a look, try Le fond de l'air est rouge.
I much preferred Orwell's Homage to Catalonia about the Spanish Revolution and Civil War. Someone gave a shout to the film Land and Freedom, a similar and equally good film is Libertarias which comes at the subject from a slightly different perspective. More the burning of churches and killing priests kinda deal. And from a female perspective, generally speaking. I think they're both on Google video.
There is always "The trial" and "Metamorphosis" by Kafka. Drug-induced collective mind: "The Santaroga Barrier" by Herbert. Hive society (same author): "Hellstrom's Hive". Dick's "The Man in the High Castle". Strugatzki's "Picnic at the Way Side".
Movies: The obvious "Blade Runner". "A boy and his dog."
To continue on the book direction there is an excellent book about language "The Stuff of Thought: Language as a Window into Human Nature".
I definitely recommend this as it helps to clarify a lot of other information you have already absorbed I'm sure and place it into a context that makes much more sense.
I know that is very general but it's more of a key to information than information in it's own right... ok that made even less sense...
BSG much? haha... probably something you already watch if you are into post apocalyptic "anti system" as you say but this being more an ongoing examination of how humans form systems of governance and social interaction when facing desperate situations.
Books: I suppose I haven't read anything recently that was directly relevant here. I tend to look for books that explore the deeper pathology behind resistance and institutionalization of control.
That was a strange book, I read it like 15 years ago but it struck me as really weird that the guy's dreams could affect the aliens and they were just chill about the whole thing.
"How are you supposed to know? Fucking men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death..."
My point is that humanity is flawed and always will be.
The human individual has value.
Save one life and you save the world entire.
The 20th century was dominated by utopian belief systems that said a price must be paid in blood for the creation of a utopia - heaven on earth . The doctor who refuses to participate in the torture of prison inmales must be shot because he did no possess the purity of the cause.
Utopians hate love, humour, emotion and trivality because they halt "progress."
Do you secretly crave the obliteration of the world - do you seeth with hate for ordinary men and women going around living their ordinary lives - making love, working, singing, dancing, having fun etc?
The Ayatollah claimed their was no fun in Islam and Lenin hated music and Hitler despised the intellectual Jews and freedom of modern art.
The nuclear holocaust is the hoped for dream followed by the rise of the Terminators cutting down humans.
Two of my personal favorites are Yevgeny Zamyatin's We and Ursula K. LeGuin's The Dispossessed. As for films, George Lucas's THX1138 seems to fit the bill.
I've read (and liked) both novels and I don't really find any similarities between them, 1984 is a grim political allegory, while A Scanner Darkly is a mystical, and metaphysical existentialist Sci-Fi novel, a very introspective one.
You must read "the s.c.u.m manifesto" if u havnt already, what you may call the most extreme feminist text.
The best and most relevant future sci-fi movie is "Zardoz" , all the rich living behind a screen and the poor left on the outside.
What do you think of the very extreme enviomentalism that calls for a masive drop in the number of humans, espechly in the west as its the ppl of the developed world who are doing all the damage?
if you like dystopian fiction get The Wire on DVD its not set in a fictional future dystopia, but it the real life dystopia of modern urban america. it's about the disastrous effects of the war on drugs, the failure of the education system, the failure of the political system, the failure of the media, the betrayal of the working class. you'd love it. i think its the best TV show ever made.
Matrix, while enjoyable (the first movie, at least), is basically a rip-off of several far older science fiction novels, for example Simulacron-3 (adapted to film as "Welt am Draht"/"World on Wires" in 1973 and "The 13th Floor" in 1999) and Time Out of Joint.
And you didn't like the story in 1984? Could you clarify that? I for one think the story is absolutely brilliant (and as important as ever these days). The language thing is secondary, IMHO.
I felt that the plot could have gone so much further into the livesof other people.. it's simple of focus on one man, whilst being brilliant to give a sense of the isolation in which they are living, does not help me to picture all of the tiny radical struggles going on in other people's minds... characterisation felt to me to be shallow and I had no sense of why he would have fallen in love with the woman, or what people working in the ministry are like internally.. but it's been a while. =)
Because, at least how I remember and understood it, there aren't many tiny struggles.
The people from the outer party are brainwashed sheep, they don't think or struggle. Even Winston is still partly party-loyal in the early parts of the book, then starts thinking more after contact with Julia, Goldstein's book and prolonged revising history.
And the proles are kept busy worrying over their next meal and kept sedated with cheap television entertainment.
My problem with 1984 is that it can be seen a propaganda piece (not to the same extent but in a similar manner to Animal Farm) that is more about diccrediting one system to maintain in the prevailing capitalist one.
Or does that make me sound like some stoner conspiracy freak?
Fahrenheit 451 is fantastic. How about The World According to Garp? It's one of my all-time favourites. It's not 1984-ish or anything like that, but is IS anti-system.
My favourite book when I was 15 is Generation X by Douglass Coupland. It's about the three people in the early 90's who move out to the Nevada dessert to escape life/society/themselves where they meet and befriend. They often make up and tell each other stories, one of the characters has a penchant for telling end of the world stories (one of which I could probably still remember word for word).
I'd highly recommend War Stars: The Superweapon and The American Imagination. It's really good. It covers 200 years of how American war tactics and innovation have been fueled by war inspired science fiction and apocalyptic scenarios. I don't think many people know about it but it's a really good book.
I dont know that it fits well into a "fighting the system" category, but it is one of my favorite books and it does relate to other post-apocalyptic themed books and films. Have you read Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood? if so, what do you think about it?
Humm I thought it was a induction into the mental state of martyrdom, relatively vogue for Jewish and Christian warriors as well until modern times more or less.
I saw more Mohammad than Jesus or frankly Castro or Lenin in the matrix trilogy, but then again I traded in my second matrix for the first dvd and didn't even watch the third and stopped watching all W brothers films.
What can I say, life's hell for a Republican atheist ...lol!
RATM is actually back together and doing gigs again, though infrequently.
A bit surprised you didn't mention Catch-22! Out of all the anti-system novels I've read, that's got to be my favorite. Thomas Pychon's Gravity's Rainbow is also quite high on my list.
I share your ambivalence toward 1984—taken as a literary work, it's just not a very good book. But the ideas within and how they are elaborated redeem it, several times over. My copy is now difficult to read because of all my notes!
Just read the comments; glad C-22's on your shelf!
A little troubled seeing how many people like Kubrik's Clockwork Orange. I feel that the film itself, like the recent Watchmen, ends up being twice as fascistic as the system it's trying to dismantle. I watch Kubrik's CO as a stealthy justification of power, perhaps begrudgingly so, but ultimately resigned in support of "the system."
The Giver is an anti-system children's book. I love it and it'll take you no time at all to get through. Also, the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson examines the flaws in Earth's societies by showcasing them in Martian colonies and the rebellion of those who want a new system.
I glad I took the time to look up "momo" in wikipedia before I replied, interesting.
My politics is very mixed because I abhor Jane Fonda (I used to love Barbarella and cat balou but no more) yet I cherish Ayn Rand, but disagree with some key ideals of hers, if only Ayn Rand and James Howard Kunstler could have met.
So the wiki article says that Michael Ende claimed to have had the concept of aging money in mind when writing Momo, is that your conclusion as well ?
I loved children of men, damn that movie was graphic.
But V for Vendetta the movie was a total sell out,when will liberals ever get it through their heads that radical activism isn't violent anarchist terrorism ?
Even Bill Ayers little pre socialist revolt isn't the same thing
Eh don't worry I'm going over to bug the Steve Crowder people now...
Of course there are two great anti-egalitarian works as well both from otherwise progressive sources on is the film or book Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut and the other is the progressive rock band rush with their band 2112 based off the short novella Anthem by the great Ayn Rand.
Maybe it's time to stop stomping your feet at the system and make it work for you or use this place to job hop to another place that isn't grinding you down so damn badly.
For the unititiated, Noam Chomsky is quite bizarre too. The fucking nightmare we already live in. No visions of the apocalypse necessary. It has already happened, is happening all around us.
I never looked around, never second guessed
then I read Howard Zinn, now I'm always depressed
You might like some of the artists working broadly in the area of 'culture jamming' (google). I would recommend K-Foundation, Whirl Mart, Reverend Billy, and Guerilla Girls.
I guess we're going to have to carry this over - and make it an "anti-system Monday" here in Los Angeles as I finally get around to your video!
I've always loved anti-system music and books. As being just a tad older than you might indicate, I am more of a "Clash" kind of guy than a "Rage" guy!
One of the reasons I love the genre of SciFi and, particularly, the new breed of writers is that nearly all of it rings with anti-system messages.
BoundlessEyes - Listen to "Disposable Heroes of HipHoprisy". A 2 man Industrial/rap combo. It will make you insanely angry about the SYSTEM. Similar to Gill Scott Heron, the first anti-establishment rapper.
The album is "Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury" You can find a few songs on YT. But they are all good. Look for "Satanic Reverses", "Television, the Drug of the Nation", "Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury". Also, Jello Biafra of the Dead Kennedys is on the album.
If you have an open mind then Ayn Rands Anthem is defiantly an anti-system book even rabidly so. Similar theme to 1984. If you can take her rather heavy style. Also she does not get to explicit egoistic stuff until the very end so your saved from that. More powerful then I thought it would be. Short at 105 pages.
I have said it once & I shall say it again, 'Diceman' is a book that will either make you cheer or punch something, anyone who has read it will tell you that. Plus it does make you think, even if it makes you think in an angry way :D
George A Romero's ''Dead'' series are excellent social and societal metaphors.
From the us-and-them attitude of the survivors in ''Night'' to the white cops shooting the black zombies in ''Dawn'' to the scientists and the military engineering zombies in ''Day''.
A violent, uninhibited, and dystopian view of reality that hints - just barely - that personal beliefs are really all there is we have to fight for, and when they're tied to an understanding of the real suffering and joy in the world, are all that are worth fighting for. Very male-centric, and as always, read with a critical eye.
there are several more fight the system bands. check out anti-flag, the song welcome to 1984. also, there is a documentary that's kind of hard to find called orewell rolls in his grave.
Well well, anti - system stuff, I wish I consumed more, but I don't want to be a walking leftist stereotype. However I highly recommend watching THX 1138, REDS, and searching youtube for the BBC program Property is Theft - on the villa road squatting community. Listen to chumbawamba, gang of four, le tigre and phranc (who has a youtube channel variety show), well all I read is anti-system stuff, check out my fave books. Have fun.
I watched your vids when you were having that war with napalm tube, but I still peak in once in a while.
Ahh if Trotsky isn't right I only made the comment because I was trying to remember your page info, weren't you a self admitted ultra feminist communist ?
It doesn't matter sense I'm not pointing fingers, it's just my memory has a lousy autofocus ...
No, I am a trotskyist. I don't know about the "ultra feminist" label though, its not like my ideas are that whacky. I don't play games with boys to win favors and they don't like that sometimes so they hate me for it.
The movie "Equilibrium" is a poor imitation of the classic Ray Bradbury novel "Fahrenheit 451." It`s an amazing book that you should read - if you haven`t already.
"The Plague Dogs" by Richard Adams, is another book I think you`d enjoy.
It's bank holiday weekend. It's sunday afternoon and I've run out of milk again. Did some housework, did the laundry, brought down the system, fed the cat. Am bored. Thinking of meeting up with my chums to start a riot and vandalise a few government buildings. Will have to keep it short so I'm back in time for supper. Told mum I may be back late in case the authorities want to question me again. Interrogation gets so old so quickly. Hope the weather is better tomorrow.
Z for Zackariah was a book i recall, post apocalyptic style, and the Road which i just bought is said to be good, yet still to begin, i'm told however it rather bleak.
movie's yeah zombie movie's rule, and the omega man old version, and soylent green....
music...? yeah rage are the shit. NWA, dead kennedys, old rap and punk mainly, today it's all about bitches and money
"Naughtily?" You mean you feel *sorry* for not supplying multi-million dollar film companies with a little more income to perpetuate their industry? *Gasp!*—And you say you're anti-system!! :)
Crass, an anarchist punk band you may like "Do they owe us a living?", "Big M.A.N.", "Bloody Revolutions"... Bad Religion are great at intelligently mocking society "Progress", "The Handshake", Jello Biafra (Dead Kennedys), Ministry, try Lard's "Sidewinder" for a bleak vision of the future (one of my favorite songs of all time). Lard is a cross between Ministry/Dead Kennedys sorta.
Yes, Catch-22 is definitely on my anti-system shelf along with many other treasured tomes. Unbelievably, I don't think I've read Brave New World. *adds it to list*
I highly recommend the film Brazil, directed by Terry Gilliam. It's along the lines of 1984 (it was even originally to be titled 1984 1/2), and features a man who is finally destroyed by a huge, lumbering bureaucracy. There's a decent amount of black humour involved, as well as an excellent, if surprising, ending.
The Electric Church by Jeff Somers is a post-apoc cyber-punk story involving zombies of a sort. Monks of the church were human, once, until they gave up their humanity for a transhuman eternal life. And the church wants to "convert" the entire world. Avery Cates, an old man at 25, doesn't like this much.
for music i would recommend gang of four, Crass, dead kennedys, Zappa, minor threat, fugazi, bad religion (american jesus rocks), fela kuti, Propaghandi, the clash, pogues...
Harlan Ellision liked writing along these lines. "Repent Harlequin!" Said the Tictockman is a celebrated short story in which everyone is implanted with heart monitors and given an allotted life span... whenever one is late, one loses that much time on one's life clock. Harlequin, of course, doesn't like this much :)
Music, If you like rap at all with clowns,parodies and an overall sense of fuck everything...Insane Clown Posse. They have all kinds of crazy ideas all wrapped up in a Circus theme.
This may be a bit over due but the best song i've ever come across apart from killing in the name to blow the propaganda cobwebs from my ears is Fuck The System by The Exploited. Don't like the band but the song has a tenancy to make me what to storm parliament in my amour plated underpants and scream the place down. Hope you have a good Saturday. :O)
MySearch4freedom 1 year ago
I dont understand people who have a thing for antisystem.
What exactly do they want?. Do they want everyone to kill each other? Do they want the world to end?
Nuron666 1 year ago
There's plenty of good trying to change the world type films rather than destroying it, though the reactionaries do try so hard. Like La Battala de Chile (you'll have to torrent it and down load a subs file) potentially the best documentary ever made. There's a very long film about the Paris Commune which someone has uploaded all 26 parts! And Chris Marker is worth a look, try Le fond de l'air est rouge.
ButherLi55ett 2 years ago
I much preferred Orwell's Homage to Catalonia about the Spanish Revolution and Civil War. Someone gave a shout to the film Land and Freedom, a similar and equally good film is Libertarias which comes at the subject from a slightly different perspective. More the burning of churches and killing priests kinda deal. And from a female perspective, generally speaking. I think they're both on Google video.
ButherLi55ett 2 years ago
Political music worth checking out; Refused, Leftover Crack, Capdown
stalfithrildi 2 years ago
Thank you again.
peace97914101 2 years ago
Music wise: Anything Einstürzende Neubauten.
timeofwonder2009 2 years ago
There is always "The trial" and "Metamorphosis" by Kafka. Drug-induced collective mind: "The Santaroga Barrier" by Herbert. Hive society (same author): "Hellstrom's Hive". Dick's "The Man in the High Castle". Strugatzki's "Picnic at the Way Side".
Movies: The obvious "Blade Runner". "A boy and his dog."
timeofwonder2009 2 years ago
have you seen "When the wind blows" by Raymond Briggs? Its a film about a nuclear holucaust occuring in britain and the horrific after effects.
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
I have just realised after watching this ages ago, you HAVE to read Ice by Anna Kavan, i almost wasnt to post you my copy.
TipoftheSlung 2 years ago
They'll start poisoning you, but you will never know it because they will keep it all secret.
watch?v=9FKEJo4wEMY
watch?v=f1CkSnWN-58
Shhhhh... toxic chemicals are good for you.
joesub007 2 years ago
To continue on the book direction there is an excellent book about language "The Stuff of Thought: Language as a Window into Human Nature".
I definitely recommend this as it helps to clarify a lot of other information you have already absorbed I'm sure and place it into a context that makes much more sense.
I know that is very general but it's more of a key to information than information in it's own right... ok that made even less sense...
rednumbersix 2 years ago
BSG much? haha... probably something you already watch if you are into post apocalyptic "anti system" as you say but this being more an ongoing examination of how humans form systems of governance and social interaction when facing desperate situations.
Books: I suppose I haven't read anything recently that was directly relevant here. I tend to look for books that explore the deeper pathology behind resistance and institutionalization of control.
rednumbersix 2 years ago
oh so u can look pretty
nickyknucklez3 2 years ago
Everyone should read "the lathe of heaven" by Ursula le Quin
niceperson709 2 years ago
That was a strange book, I read it like 15 years ago but it struck me as really weird that the guy's dreams could affect the aliens and they were just chill about the whole thing.
Toledosteal 2 years ago
One of my favourite lines is from Terminator 2:
"How are you supposed to know? Fucking men like you built the hydrogen bomb. Men like you thought it up. You think you're so creative. You don't know what it's like to really create something; to create a life; to feel it growing inside you. All you know how to create is death..."
TheFlarey 2 years ago
My point is that humanity is flawed and always will be.
The human individual has value.
Save one life and you save the world entire.
The 20th century was dominated by utopian belief systems that said a price must be paid in blood for the creation of a utopia - heaven on earth . The doctor who refuses to participate in the torture of prison inmales must be shot because he did no possess the purity of the cause.
Utopians hate love, humour, emotion and trivality because they halt "progress."
TheFlarey 2 years ago
Do you secretly crave the obliteration of the world - do you seeth with hate for ordinary men and women going around living their ordinary lives - making love, working, singing, dancing, having fun etc?
The Ayatollah claimed their was no fun in Islam and Lenin hated music and Hitler despised the intellectual Jews and freedom of modern art.
The nuclear holocaust is the hoped for dream followed by the rise of the Terminators cutting down humans.
Lighten up Boundless.
Peace.
TheFlarey 2 years ago
I can't believe nobody has mentioned this Mad Max on this thread yet. Thunderdome FTW!
gabiotta 2 years ago
Two of my personal favorites are Yevgeny Zamyatin's We and Ursula K. LeGuin's The Dispossessed. As for films, George Lucas's THX1138 seems to fit the bill.
RayBobb 2 years ago
you are just like a teacher
unusedsn 2 years ago
Dunno if folk have mentioned this but The Woman at the End of Time is probably THE anti-government, feminist, anti-racist novel.
As for films, Land and Freedom by Ken Loach is beautiful.
Music wise, well there's the King Blues, Inner Terrestrials, Kilna Boy, Bad Religion...
taffyandy 2 years ago
I love post-apocalyptic fiction- films, books, everything!
cubanoafuego 2 years ago
A Scanner Darkly by Philip K. Dick.
The book is excellent, 1984 but with a plot and interesting characters.
The unconventional artistic style of the movie is really effective.
RevolutionarySpectre 2 years ago
I've read (and liked) both novels and I don't really find any similarities between them, 1984 is a grim political allegory, while A Scanner Darkly is a mystical, and metaphysical existentialist Sci-Fi novel, a very introspective one.
How come you find them so similar?
BlackLaval 2 years ago
awesome video! down with the system! lol
princessannikki 2 years ago
You must read "the s.c.u.m manifesto" if u havnt already, what you may call the most extreme feminist text.
The best and most relevant future sci-fi movie is "Zardoz" , all the rich living behind a screen and the poor left on the outside.
What do you think of the very extreme enviomentalism that calls for a masive drop in the number of humans, espechly in the west as its the ppl of the developed world who are doing all the damage?
chewymatty1 2 years ago
if you like dystopian fiction get The Wire on DVD its not set in a fictional future dystopia, but it the real life dystopia of modern urban america. it's about the disastrous effects of the war on drugs, the failure of the education system, the failure of the political system, the failure of the media, the betrayal of the working class. you'd love it. i think its the best TV show ever made.
BornUnderABadSign89 2 years ago
Yeah The Wire is fucking brilliant.
cubanoafuego 2 years ago
Oh how about a scanner darkly, I'll save you what I thought about it, I think you know.
I honestly really enjoyed the part though where real life Alex Jones got cattle prodded and thrown into the van, task force style.
Oh people didn't like southland tales but I did, I really liked the part about the neo marxist redicals.
The quantum entanglement wave energy driven world power source really facinated me though ...
Curas1 2 years ago
the handmaid's tale and oryx & crake both by Margaret Atwood!
bbmkanata 2 years ago
Matrix the daddy?
Matrix, while enjoyable (the first movie, at least), is basically a rip-off of several far older science fiction novels, for example Simulacron-3 (adapted to film as "Welt am Draht"/"World on Wires" in 1973 and "The 13th Floor" in 1999) and Time Out of Joint.
And you didn't like the story in 1984? Could you clarify that? I for one think the story is absolutely brilliant (and as important as ever these days). The language thing is secondary, IMHO.
AnonymousCoward23 2 years ago
I felt that the plot could have gone so much further into the livesof other people.. it's simple of focus on one man, whilst being brilliant to give a sense of the isolation in which they are living, does not help me to picture all of the tiny radical struggles going on in other people's minds... characterisation felt to me to be shallow and I had no sense of why he would have fallen in love with the woman, or what people working in the ministry are like internally.. but it's been a while. =)
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
Because, at least how I remember and understood it, there aren't many tiny struggles.
The people from the outer party are brainwashed sheep, they don't think or struggle. Even Winston is still partly party-loyal in the early parts of the book, then starts thinking more after contact with Julia, Goldstein's book and prolonged revising history.
And the proles are kept busy worrying over their next meal and kept sedated with cheap television entertainment.
AnonymousCoward23 2 years ago
My problem with 1984 is that it can be seen a propaganda piece (not to the same extent but in a similar manner to Animal Farm) that is more about diccrediting one system to maintain in the prevailing capitalist one.
Or does that make me sound like some stoner conspiracy freak?
gabiotta 2 years ago
Is the New Testament anti-system?
TristandIsolde 2 years ago
the new testament is anti christian!!
ShespeaksUC 2 years ago
"Christians" are anti NT.
TristandIsolde 2 years ago
Another dystopian book: Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood.
longhairred 2 years ago
I've been dying to read Oryx and Crake for the longest time.. it's going to happen, soon, and I'm going to tell you what I think about it.
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
its fanflippintastic
bbmkanata 2 years ago
Fahrenheit 451 is fantastic. How about The World According to Garp? It's one of my all-time favourites. It's not 1984-ish or anything like that, but is IS anti-system.
ChicaShizan 2 years ago
My favourite book when I was 15 is Generation X by Douglass Coupland. It's about the three people in the early 90's who move out to the Nevada dessert to escape life/society/themselves where they meet and befriend. They often make up and tell each other stories, one of the characters has a penchant for telling end of the world stories (one of which I could probably still remember word for word).
preachingsin 2 years ago
I'd highly recommend War Stars: The Superweapon and The American Imagination. It's really good. It covers 200 years of how American war tactics and innovation have been fueled by war inspired science fiction and apocalyptic scenarios. I don't think many people know about it but it's a really good book.
jim30333 2 years ago
by H. Bruce Franklin*
jim30333 2 years ago
I dont know that it fits well into a "fighting the system" category, but it is one of my favorite books and it does relate to other post-apocalyptic themed books and films. Have you read Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood? if so, what do you think about it?
stratusmind 2 years ago
Humm I thought it was a induction into the mental state of martyrdom, relatively vogue for Jewish and Christian warriors as well until modern times more or less.
I saw more Mohammad than Jesus or frankly Castro or Lenin in the matrix trilogy, but then again I traded in my second matrix for the first dvd and didn't even watch the third and stopped watching all W brothers films.
What can I say, life's hell for a Republican atheist ...lol!
Curas1 2 years ago
Hummmm ... I wonder.
the scene where Natalie Portman stood in the rain after being imprisoned, well I know what I think, what was your impression ?
Curas1 2 years ago
Check out the novel Solaris by Stanislaw Lem.
beten0ire 2 years ago
'mara and dann' by doris lessing
'into the forest' by jean hegland
and 'on the beach' by nevil shute
joannajean 2 years ago
RATM is actually back together and doing gigs again, though infrequently.
A bit surprised you didn't mention Catch-22! Out of all the anti-system novels I've read, that's got to be my favorite. Thomas Pychon's Gravity's Rainbow is also quite high on my list.
I share your ambivalence toward 1984—taken as a literary work, it's just not a very good book. But the ideas within and how they are elaborated redeem it, several times over. My copy is now difficult to read because of all my notes!
apolloxias 2 years ago
Just read the comments; glad C-22's on your shelf!
A little troubled seeing how many people like Kubrik's Clockwork Orange. I feel that the film itself, like the recent Watchmen, ends up being twice as fascistic as the system it's trying to dismantle. I watch Kubrik's CO as a stealthy justification of power, perhaps begrudgingly so, but ultimately resigned in support of "the system."
The book, however, is quite damn good.
apolloxias 2 years ago
I would recc....
The Naked Lunch by William Burroughs
The Invisibles by Grant Morrison
gabiotta 2 years ago
second on grant morrison, he is fucking awesome. but weird
ShespeaksUC 2 years ago
For the anti-system movies/literature check:
Fahrenheit 451 François Truffaut/ Ray Bradbury
watch?v=tV_bzEh5bCQ
A Clockwork Orange Stanley Kubrick/ Anthony Burgess
watch?v=7EwT2JHDENE
Those two titles are bit like 1984 so you should like them.
If you want some system used by some anti-system elites, then try :
Salò o le 120 giornate di Sodoma, Pier Paolo Pasolini / Sade
watch?v=dBH91cuBwLQ
You are a feminist, then you are not stranger to sadism and you will appreciate !
666matsumoto666 2 years ago
There is a kitchen, so It is a 5 stars
But the tits are too small this time so minus one star.
It makes 4 stars.
666matsumoto666 2 years ago
For the fuck the system deep and broad in music, you should check Conflict:
watch?v=cewIvSqaC6I
watch?v=liE88h5HsWg
watch?v=HMdVz1AkBvo
You should like them You share a lot with them.
If you want some give a system (and not a disneylandish one ) the middle finger you should check Misandao too :
watch?v=KNaf_m_n-wA
I am sure you are speechless!!!
666matsumoto666 2 years ago
Roger Water's "Amused to Death" is fantastic anti- system music.
Sconz32 2 years ago
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OkamiDaggarFang 2 years ago
The Giver is an anti-system children's book. I love it and it'll take you no time at all to get through. Also, the Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson examines the flaws in Earth's societies by showcasing them in Martian colonies and the rebellion of those who want a new system.
dreamsofrockland 2 years ago
Then there's "Momo" by Michael Ende. There is the system, check, sucks the life out of you, check.
Sitting on the VC cannon with Hanoi Jane, is the anti-system action we're looking for here, thanks!
Ayn Rand on the other hand IS the system. She provided the philosophical framework for the power hungry machine.
SangsungMeansToCome 2 years ago
I glad I took the time to look up "momo" in wikipedia before I replied, interesting.
My politics is very mixed because I abhor Jane Fonda (I used to love Barbarella and cat balou but no more) yet I cherish Ayn Rand, but disagree with some key ideals of hers, if only Ayn Rand and James Howard Kunstler could have met.
So the wiki article says that Michael Ende claimed to have had the concept of aging money in mind when writing Momo, is that your conclusion as well ?
Curas1 2 years ago
I loved children of men, damn that movie was graphic.
But V for Vendetta the movie was a total sell out,when will liberals ever get it through their heads that radical activism isn't violent anarchist terrorism ?
Even Bill Ayers little pre socialist revolt isn't the same thing
Eh don't worry I'm going over to bug the Steve Crowder people now...
Curas1 2 years ago
Of course there are two great anti-egalitarian works as well both from otherwise progressive sources on is the film or book Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut and the other is the progressive rock band rush with their band 2112 based off the short novella Anthem by the great Ayn Rand.
Maybe it's time to stop stomping your feet at the system and make it work for you or use this place to job hop to another place that isn't grinding you down so damn badly.
Were you a youtube partner ?
Curas1 2 years ago
For the unititiated, Noam Chomsky is quite bizarre too. The fucking nightmare we already live in. No visions of the apocalypse necessary. It has already happened, is happening all around us.
I never looked around, never second guessed
then I read Howard Zinn, now I'm always depressed
Now I can't sleep from years of apathy
all because I read a little Noam Chomsky
SangsungMeansToCome 2 years ago 2
Every time I hear the name Chomsky or Zinn (zimm?) it makes me think that McCarthy was right!
Hey lets go sit on the VC cannon with Hanoi jane and then take a semester of Ward Churchhill's classes while were at it.
Pfft!
Curas1 2 years ago
"Was that an explosion?"
"Yes."
"A whole ammunition dump must have blown up there."
"No ammunition dump."
Prized posession eh? Sick sick sick. :D
Don't forget Fight Club.
SangsungMeansToCome 2 years ago
I loved "1984!" I also recommend Green Day's "Know Your Enemy." Know the enemy, as in 'don't trust the government,' or that's how I perceive it.
Violence is an enemy-Against the enemy-Violence is an energy.
Bringing on the fury-The choir infantry-Revolt against the honor to obey.
Overthrow the effigy-The vast majority-Burning down the foreman of control.
Silence is the enemy-Against your urgency-So rally up the demons of your soul
jjlucash 2 years ago
You might like some of the artists working broadly in the area of 'culture jamming' (google). I would recommend K-Foundation, Whirl Mart, Reverend Billy, and Guerilla Girls.
Fred
conferencereport 2 years ago
I guess we're going to have to carry this over - and make it an "anti-system Monday" here in Los Angeles as I finally get around to your video!
I've always loved anti-system music and books. As being just a tad older than you might indicate, I am more of a "Clash" kind of guy than a "Rage" guy!
One of the reasons I love the genre of SciFi and, particularly, the new breed of writers is that nearly all of it rings with anti-system messages.
AncientAtheist 2 years ago
"Famous & Dandy" - Disposable Heroes
The height of mediocrity is the challenge
Crawling through the entrails of imbalance
We learn to like to be the heroes
We learn to lie to the brand name negroes
We learn to laugh to avoid being angry
We learn to kill and learn to go hungry
We learn not to feel, for protection
and we learn to flaunt when we get an erection
alowlyapprentice 2 years ago
World/ inferno friendship society.
And I second propagandhi.
antisubaru 2 years ago
BoundlessEyes - Listen to "Disposable Heroes of HipHoprisy". A 2 man Industrial/rap combo. It will make you insanely angry about the SYSTEM. Similar to Gill Scott Heron, the first anti-establishment rapper.
The album is "Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury" You can find a few songs on YT. But they are all good. Look for "Satanic Reverses", "Television, the Drug of the Nation", "Hypocrisy Is the Greatest Luxury". Also, Jello Biafra of the Dead Kennedys is on the album.
alowlyapprentice 2 years ago
Released in 1992, but still extremely relevant still.
alowlyapprentice 2 years ago
Gil Scott Heron! How could I have failed to throw him a mention?
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
if you like post-apocalyptic books read The Road by Cormac McCarthy its brilliant
BornUnderABadSign89 2 years ago
Propaghandi
brokennarcissist 2 years ago
If you have an open mind then Ayn Rands Anthem is defiantly an anti-system book even rabidly so. Similar theme to 1984. If you can take her rather heavy style. Also she does not get to explicit egoistic stuff until the very end so your saved from that. More powerful then I thought it would be. Short at 105 pages.
Malthus0 2 years ago
Immortal Technique:
"The 4th Branch" and "Dance with the Devil"
Cool as fuck...
SouthSaturnDelta213 2 years ago
Oh man, Immortal Technique is a god to me.
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
I have said it once & I shall say it again, 'Diceman' is a book that will either make you cheer or punch something, anyone who has read it will tell you that. Plus it does make you think, even if it makes you think in an angry way :D
-Tempus
TheTempusFugitive 2 years ago
George A Romero's ''Dead'' series are excellent social and societal metaphors.
From the us-and-them attitude of the survivors in ''Night'' to the white cops shooting the black zombies in ''Dawn'' to the scientists and the military engineering zombies in ''Day''.
Zombie films are much more than blood and guts.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
Oh yes, George A Romero, does it really get any better than zombie rights in land of the dead ?
Oh well maybe if you liked seeing Charlton Heston face down in a fountain by the 'brotherhood' in the Omaga man or vampire rights in true blood.
Yeah, yeah, yeah ....
But Ok so I liked twilight and moonlight.. go figure
Oh and have you seen heather Campbell's vlog on youtube, her and her vamp dad are hilarious ...
Curas1 2 years ago
V for Vendetta
A Graphic Novel which talks alot about freedom and society from the view of a terrorist.
FratisNox 2 years ago
And Watchmen right along with it.
GriffinPilgrim 2 years ago
Richard K. Morgan - Market Forces
A violent, uninhibited, and dystopian view of reality that hints - just barely - that personal beliefs are really all there is we have to fight for, and when they're tied to an understanding of the real suffering and joy in the world, are all that are worth fighting for. Very male-centric, and as always, read with a critical eye.
stealthbadger 2 years ago
And in no way am I saying the characters are wonderful people - just that they're very well-rounded characters.
stealthbadger 2 years ago
Post-apocalyptic films are one of my favourite sub-genres. ^_^
I would recommend:
Last Night
Miracle Mile
Blindness I didn't like too much, but a very interesting idea.
Night of the Comet
Planet Terror, although you've probably seen this.
StanMarsh1 2 years ago
"We" by Yevgeny Zamyatin was the book Orwell stole the idea for "1984" from so you should like that.
"Z for Zackariah" is a good post-apocalypse novel but really it's about conflict between the sexes.
"Seeing" by Jose Saramago is very anti-system.
A good anti-system novel would be Robert A. Heinlein's "The moon is a harsh mistress" in which a bored AI and a mechanic end up starting a revolution.
And Muse's "Black holes and revelations" album is full of anti-system, sci-fi weirdness.
amhemsley 2 years ago
there are several more fight the system bands. check out anti-flag, the song welcome to 1984. also, there is a documentary that's kind of hard to find called orewell rolls in his grave.
notbrokensonocrutch 2 years ago
Well well, anti - system stuff, I wish I consumed more, but I don't want to be a walking leftist stereotype. However I highly recommend watching THX 1138, REDS, and searching youtube for the BBC program Property is Theft - on the villa road squatting community. Listen to chumbawamba, gang of four, le tigre and phranc (who has a youtube channel variety show), well all I read is anti-system stuff, check out my fave books. Have fun.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
Spoken like a true Trotsky dear, give you rats a bite of cheese for me too
Curas1 2 years ago
Oh yes? Did I come across as a Trot stereotype? Why must I always fail at being myself?
nuclearnight 2 years ago
I watched your vids when you were having that war with napalm tube, but I still peak in once in a while.
Ahh if Trotsky isn't right I only made the comment because I was trying to remember your page info, weren't you a self admitted ultra feminist communist ?
It doesn't matter sense I'm not pointing fingers, it's just my memory has a lousy autofocus ...
Curas1 2 years ago
No, I am a trotskyist. I don't know about the "ultra feminist" label though, its not like my ideas are that whacky. I don't play games with boys to win favors and they don't like that sometimes so they hate me for it.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
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gratex 2 years ago
Oh have you seen salt of the earth? Or perhaps Harlen County USA? If you haven't seen Salt of the Earth, you have to go do it right now.
nuclearnight 2 years ago
The movie "Equilibrium" is a poor imitation of the classic Ray Bradbury novel "Fahrenheit 451." It`s an amazing book that you should read - if you haven`t already.
"The Plague Dogs" by Richard Adams, is another book I think you`d enjoy.
DickensianDreams 2 years ago
12 Monkeys
Hackers
Anti Trust
The Sixth Day
Probably not informative, I am almost certain you have seen these. :/
00Ninjalo 2 years ago
Dear Diary,
It's bank holiday weekend. It's sunday afternoon and I've run out of milk again. Did some housework, did the laundry, brought down the system, fed the cat. Am bored. Thinking of meeting up with my chums to start a riot and vandalise a few government buildings. Will have to keep it short so I'm back in time for supper. Told mum I may be back late in case the authorities want to question me again. Interrogation gets so old so quickly. Hope the weather is better tomorrow.
;-)
smhussain62 2 years ago
Z for Zackariah was a book i recall, post apocalyptic style, and the Road which i just bought is said to be good, yet still to begin, i'm told however it rather bleak.
movie's yeah zombie movie's rule, and the omega man old version, and soylent green....
music...? yeah rage are the shit. NWA, dead kennedys, old rap and punk mainly, today it's all about bitches and money
biggreenloops 2 years ago
No but I've been naughtily pirating films from online of late, so I'll definitely check it out and get back to you.
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
"Naughtily?" You mean you feel *sorry* for not supplying multi-million dollar film companies with a little more income to perpetuate their industry? *Gasp!*—And you say you're anti-system!! :)
apolloxias 2 years ago
Crass, an anarchist punk band you may like "Do they owe us a living?", "Big M.A.N.", "Bloody Revolutions"... Bad Religion are great at intelligently mocking society "Progress", "The Handshake", Jello Biafra (Dead Kennedys), Ministry, try Lard's "Sidewinder" for a bleak vision of the future (one of my favorite songs of all time). Lard is a cross between Ministry/Dead Kennedys sorta.
mogulwraith 2 years ago
Yes, Catch-22 is definitely on my anti-system shelf along with many other treasured tomes. Unbelievably, I don't think I've read Brave New World. *adds it to list*
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
Speaking of cold war potboilers if I remember that book right I always liked Dr.Strangelove.
Slim Pickins riding that H bomb down, oh that always brings a tear to my eye every time!
Oh man, next stop downtown Tehran...Hi There!
Sorry, sorry I'm not sorry LOL!
Curas1 2 years ago
I highly recommend the film Brazil, directed by Terry Gilliam. It's along the lines of 1984 (it was even originally to be titled 1984 1/2), and features a man who is finally destroyed by a huge, lumbering bureaucracy. There's a decent amount of black humour involved, as well as an excellent, if surprising, ending.
PedanticPig 2 years ago 3
The Electric Church by Jeff Somers is a post-apoc cyber-punk story involving zombies of a sort. Monks of the church were human, once, until they gave up their humanity for a transhuman eternal life. And the church wants to "convert" the entire world. Avery Cates, an old man at 25, doesn't like this much.
mogulwraith 2 years ago
Come back! I'm sooo not revising..
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
would you do a video on why you're anti system, in more depth
artestra 2 years ago
for music i would recommend gang of four, Crass, dead kennedys, Zappa, minor threat, fugazi, bad religion (american jesus rocks), fela kuti, Propaghandi, the clash, pogues...
IAteYourTV 2 years ago
A boy and his dog
A clockwork orange
night of the comets (but depressing)
Curas1 2 years ago
What ? I don't get it, too campy, too 80's (70's) too crappy ?
Curas1 2 years ago
Harlan Ellision liked writing along these lines. "Repent Harlequin!" Said the Tictockman is a celebrated short story in which everyone is implanted with heart monitors and given an allotted life span... whenever one is late, one loses that much time on one's life clock. Harlequin, of course, doesn't like this much :)
mogulwraith 2 years ago
you could watch films all day on this site, infact there is a history about egypt that is 6 hours!
theres a doc about how women became to get so fucked in the ehad about beauty and the female image.
an incredible vid about the secret life of plants, GMO food videos about monsanto (the devil who lives on our planet poisoning our food)
enjoy your day off!!
shaktishiver 2 years ago
Music, If you like rap at all with clowns,parodies and an overall sense of fuck everything...Insane Clown Posse. They have all kinds of crazy ideas all wrapped up in a Circus theme.
00Ninjalo 2 years ago
oooh, yeah, ICP.. it's been a while since I hit them up, but I'm going for it now.
Fuck the World. *rocks out*
BoundlessEyes 2 years ago
Also check out Twiztid, another group on ICP's label. Their material is less clown theme based and more horror theme based.
00Ninjalo 2 years ago