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  • so which is better, Photoshop or Painter??

  • 1:44 Brasil pra vcs igual guerra e futibol :|

    quando na verdade, é só alegria beleza e lazer ;D

  • I love not having my hand in the way when I draw on my Intuos.

  • The cloning feature seems like the filter feature on photoshop. I hope people don't actually use that and declare their photos as "paintings" >>;

  • mine is crashing, I'm so sad. why is it crashing. it never did

  • Wacom = love!!!!!

  • this program is incredible, if you got a wacom tablet, try it out

  • He doesn't rest his hand on the tablet. I can't get my pen to work. Do most of you have the ability to rest your hand on the tablet where you place the pen?

    TIA

  • @sweetdreamerzz I can rest my hand on the tablet, but Ive only got the Bamboo Fun!

  • @WeAreTwinStar Thank you for the reply. I realized the old tablet was messed up and am going to get a bamboo actually thx =)

  • 1:11 HE FLIPPED US OFF D:<

  • It doesn't paint for you... this is as complicated yet as simple as painting with a real brush/paint. Thought I prefer Photoshop over Painter they're both pretty similar and both require you to be a good artist in order to make good art.

  • How Can I Download Painter X??

  • in taringa...

  • How can I download Painter X??

  • It paints for you... That seems like a little bit of a cheat :P

  • Amazing!!! i Have To Get It!!! :D

  • @kakashi762 yeah it's like $2200, I got mine but it is the 1st gen of 21ux, the 2nd is like intuos4, so I was thinking of putting it to ebay. What is the diff between..? The pressure. Life of art with just normal straight black is uneasy unless you tried mousy mouse with mspaint which no pressure is needed but talent in blending.

  • qu'est ce que c'est le nom de lordinateur ???

    

  • @vcxwqaa c'est une tablette graphique wacom pas un ordi. C'est la Cintiq 21ux. Elle coute 2000€ pour 800 t'as la même en plus petit ( format A4 environ) c'est la Cintiq 12wx.

  • why don't these companies have people who can actually use the product artistically present them?

  • @chainfire95 because maybe they are thinking what all people do is a rip off so they put them off instead.

  • 1:31

    somehow i read a tutoriol about this one in an art magazine.

  • I have photoshiop Cs4. But, im also thinking of getting corel painter. But is it really worth the money. i mean, is it really any better than the photoshop series? I just dont want to put money into something that i already have.

  • @MadaSkills1 photoshop is better for picture work but if you are like me and many others corel painter x is better for drawing highly detailed digital drawings/paintings

  • @MadaSkills1 Photoshop is the best of all I'll say but also complicated. If you don't have enough money or rather waste your money for a cintiq, just get GIMP. Gimp is similar to photoshop though it is super slow. Another one is paint tool sai. Sai is a japanese program and there's an english version of it. Sai contains easy to use surface and for free. Google search the full version not the trial.

  • I just grabbed a new legit copy of coel X on ebay for $50. keep an eye on ebay ... I cant wait for my copy to get here, should be a nice addition to the tool box. After I saw what Andrew Jones does with this I HAD to have it

  • @sprattoo so how is corel painter x treating you

  • @bubblesofhell I am at a mixed state of feelings on painter X. I love some aspects, and get frustrated with others. I find myself jumping back and forth to photoshop a lot.

    I have a pretty powerful machine, and real bristles still bogs it down. (I work at 300 dpi though, for reproduction quality)

    I have trouble finding what I need.... like when I just really want a soft sort of brush, to be small, and no paper texture... I am using X for broad strokes, finding form, photoshop for detail.

  • @sprattoo If you need a supply of goods about photo editing, photoshop is professional and for art to make your life simple, I suggest SAI. What is SAI? I japanese program use for easy to draw anime or other stuffs. It is free and can be downloaded in their site. Just google: SAI Portable or Sai for free...

  • @Muriga252 I d/ld Sai, will give it a try. I still do like painter X, but like I said, it really takes some getting used to, If you are coming from photoshop, and pick up painter... its kind of a headache. Because you want sooo bad to just do something that would be sooo simple in CS4, but you have to clickety click around and interrupt the flow to get painter X to do what you want.

    If you are a straight on traditional artist, with no CS4 experience, you will love Painter X

  • @sprattoo Well if you are like a beginner, Sai is easy since you don't need to study the interface. Well if you really get used to painter x then hang on to it because if you really are used to something like me before, I think Ms paint is the center of the world with my little mouse until pen tablets came in hand. But yeah, sai is just for starters and for people like things for free. I want to see some of your art too. I'll show mine if you show yours.

  • journeysed had good prices, specially for students or teachers.

  • what does this cost and where can i purchase it in store or is my online purchase option online?

  • That guy knows shit about corel.

  • You can do most of this with a bamboo tablet for under $70,... you just have to use your screen, the tablet does not have one.

  • @Interverse in this video the man has a cintix

  • I love the brush tracking option, why don't more programs have that function?!

  • i want toooooo

  • wich corel painter is the best 2 use?

  • @supergirlangela I've been using Painter for many years now and from experience I can tell that for some strange reason every second version with an odd number is good and the in-betweens aren't. Painter 7 was a stable and good version with many new features, so was Painter 9. Painter 8 and X were filled with bugs and often crashed on my system but now with the new version 11 everything is fine again.

  • I so want it

  • So you need to buy one of those tablets to use it?.... looks expensive

  • You can use any tablet. That's the Wacom Cintiq 21ux which runs about 2000$ a peice. Rediculously expensive. Kinda worth having.

  • is painter expensive?

  • yes, probably around 100 to 200 bucks. Cheaper then Photoshop though (which runs at about 600 for the newest ones)

  • I  WANT ONE !!!!

  • nice Cintiq

  • Give me the tablet and no one gets hurt.

    Painter is really cool, the variety of possible combinations is a bonus to creative minds. Love it.

  • Pictures they show us... are AWESOME!

  • oh brazilian guy omg

  • wow amazing, this combines two forms of art : traditional and digital

  • The edges around my menu windows (toolbox, etc) in painter are totally bugged, anyone know how to fix this problem?

  • can somebody help me?I have my bamboo wacom tablet installed.but when i try drawing with my tablet pen it wont work!Can u help?

  • Try downloading the driver for the tablet from the Wacom website.

  • Because it's cleaner when doing it on a PC or a Mac. Obviously. I love using my Wacom Bamboo on Photoshop, Manga Studio, Paint Tool SAI and Corel Painter X. So easy to use.

  • he used a touch screen. is that needed or just something you can use with the software?

  • That's a Wacom Cintiq tablet. They're the best of the Wacom tablets, but they're very pricy. At least a thousand dollars for one. You have to buy it separately.

  • no mess xD

  • lol..that might be the reason..and no sweat :D

  • sweet is there put there are many advantages and disadvantages with everything

  • always more disadvantage!

  • ... sometimes i mean what if you have to get an image to the other side of the world in half an hour, youd probably scan, maybe edit it then send instead of send through mail

  • Becouze he need to adecuated to new tecnologies, to make it through....

  • COMPLICATED!

  • kkk seu gringo besta fala com a minha maoo

  • it sure beats paints spray can.

  • HAHAHAHA!

    Well, barely.

  • Were can i get this brushes?

  • Talent is still needed to make great art. Think of it this way, you never need to go out and replace brushes, you never need to waste money on buying more paint since you never run out and plus if you need a mistake its no big deal because you can simply delete it without leaving evidence it was there in the first place. Its better to try out the program first rather than just jumping into conclusion that you need no skills to use it.

  • the tablet is wacom sintiq 21" and it really costs 2.000

  • do most people who use photoshop to paint their art use that kind of tablet?

  • no. most people usually use something like a Intuos3 or Intuos4 out of preference or lack of funds. That particular tablet that he was using costs about $2,000.

  • lol thats costs more then 3 times of what my computer costs!

  • So drop some red and some yellow on - no, wait. First get a guy who can paint. Then drop some red and some yellow on the canvas and blend between the two. In every one of the Painter 'mediums,' please. That's all I ask.

  • lol amazing cant wait for the day they creat something that mywife will be able to suck me via internet heheheheh

    Amazing stuff

  • That actually already exists.

  • I just got it and its fantastic (:

    you have to use a pallet tho ;)

    or else its very difficult

  • I use a 9x12 Wacom Intuous. Love this software!

  • Do a Barrel roll

  • make me

  • Win.

  • lol

  • dude whats that thing they're drawing on!?!?!?!?!!!?

  • Looks like a Wacom Cintiq to me.

  • My one Wishlist item: The Wacom Cintiq. :::drool:::

  • You said it! Wish I had money for such a thing..

  • trying to buy the smaller one...

  • maybe if you sell your computer :P

  • i no were u can get it free send me a message if u wont it

  • Gimme!

  • and the price???????????????

  • 399 us dollars

  • :(

    i'm poor xD

    thanks bro

  • If you search around on Ebay you can find factory sealed Corel Painter X's for a rather...more affordable price :)

  • yeah bro

    have a nice day

  • *** BTW, if I take the photo with my Nikon and then enhance it in Painter, or do multiple light weaves in iMaginator, I am certainly creating my own art.

    I love technical progress and we still can use traditional hands-on media any time we want. Best of both worlds!

  • Originally traditional artist, went to photography years ago and recently got Corel Painter X. Had photoshop and didn't like it... took it off my computer. Painter X, iMaginator, Grimp, SeaShore, and Aperture allow me to do what I want on Intel Mac. Can't see myself ever getting PS again.

  • As for that cloning feature where he takes a photo and converts it and copies it with brush strokes, that is NOT art. Thats just copying Real art is starting from a hand drawn sketch. That takes no talent. At least he admitted.

    I love corel painter X. I'm a traditional artist and this is awesome because i have so many resources at my finger tips that would cost over $4000 in real life.

  • I totaly agree with you, it takes no talet to just click n copy.

  • yeah I still think corel painter is great for drawing from scratch because of its immense amount of variations and mediums. But I see alot of people doing the clone a photograph to make it look like a painting. I feel that as long as they don't claim they painted it then Its ok but I think its kind of a cheap way to paint. And it wouldnt' feel very satisfying to say the least.

  • Thats because its not a painting then, its just a lie lol Also i cant use it from scratch XD i draw out my image 1st, then i scan it, then outline,colour or add anything else thats needed.

  • yeah i agree you're right, its not a painting. I think its fine to draw it out first and scan it. you're still drawin it by hand and that is cool.

  • Awsome, thumbs up for your comments ^_^ you by any chance dont have a deviant art account do you ?

  • un programa exelente

  • Just downloaded free trail of painter11...lets see how that works;)

  • i like to draw from scratch...which one is better for this? I see that most softwares are designed to enhance pictures or for touch-ups. I tried the free version of corel painter x. Its nice. I use microsoft picture it! but thats old, eventhough I have created nice drawings with it, i still feel i'm using something thats outdated.

  • It really all comes down to your own personal preference, but Photoshop and Painter are the two industry standards. Photoshop is mainly designed for touch-ups and manipulation, and although it can't replicate traditional media as well as Painter, it is, in my opinion the end- all art software to have... it paints just fine. I want Painter though. A lot of artists these days will draw by hand, render in Painter and finish in Photoshop. That's what I'm going for.

  • i think painter x is not tht bad, but i think photo shop is better. with the tablet. its easy ;D

  • Painter 11 SUCKS!!! It is buggy and I seem to be losing strokes... anybody else getting slow performance?

  • so.....what's the difference bewteen corel painter x and photoshop...?

  • Photoshop's main purpose is to play the role of a picture editor (color adjustment, contrast, blur, superimposition, etc.), whereas Painter is a brush engine, which realistically replicates paint strokes and almost every traditional media, only within the computer. So, while you can paint just fine with Photoshop, many pros prefer Painter due to the fact that painting is it's main job. A lot of people use painter to create the initial image and finish it in Photoshop... a powerful combination.

  • then i guess i need painter then......thx very much that helps a lot..!!!

  • Painter, while not as expensive as Photoshop, can easily run $300. If you want it, look for the academic version... it sells for about $100 with tax. It's the full program, but not sure why it's so much cheaper. Probably can't get it upgraded since it's academic, but hey, small price to pay for such a big saving. Good luck and have fun.

  • Can you get the upgraded version instead of the full ver....?

  • You can't upgrade it and you can't make money off of any art you do with it or they have the right to sue you.

  • Very true, but if you're like me and don't like illegally downloading, it's not too bad to get a fully functional version of the program. The purpose, after all, of an academic version is for learning and not for professional work or profit. Painter XI is out now, too. Check that one out. I've heard mixed reviews.

  • Yeah, i'll have to give it a mixed review too. They added some nice stuff, but still haven't fixed some major problems. Corel is up for sale right now though, so it will be interesting to see what becomes of Painter 12, if anything at all :-(

  • I'm a Photoshop user. Wouldn't it be cool if Adobe acquired them and incorporated the real-bristle system into the next iteration of Photoshop? One program with Photoshop's manipulation capabilities and Painter's media engine would be a dream come true. Just a dream, but it'd sure be nice.

  • That would be awesome, but I somehow doubt Adobe would combine it with Photoshop. They'd probably make more money if they kept it a separate program. I also think they already made a statement saying they're not interested in acquiring Corel. Might be for the best. They're already a monopoly anyway :-(

  • What.s Up? when you say finish in photoshop, what do you mean exactly? what can Photoshop do that Corel Painter can't, when it's time to finish an image? It sounds as if a person needs both programs in order to go from scratch to completion. Is this the case? or can I buy Painter and be done with buying expensive programs?

  • By no means do you require both programs to make a quality picture... both work excellently. What I meant was painting the picture in Painter and importing it to Photoshop for any tweaks that you might want, since Photoshop is a picture manipulator, not a dedicated painting program, whereas Painter is a brush engine, therefore it lacks a lot of the effects and tools that make Photoshop so powerful. It all really comes down to preference and experience.

  • Both programs can create photo-realistic or painterly effects depending on what you know and how you use them. I'd say that if you want to just do digital painting and do it well, get Painter, but if you want a bit more flexibility with alterations and still have a solid painting ability, get Photoshop.

  • Thanks alot, I appreciate that.

  • Gotta get it

  • Just try Painter with a simple Wacom Bamboo.

    Or an economic tablet without all the exes of, say, an Intuos (the standard).

    I enjoyed it much. One day, I'll buy an intuos with the art pen... but first of all, I need to know how to draw (lol).

  • It's kinda pointless if you only have a mouse to draw with right?

  • photoshop rulz !

  • if only they made they made the Painter and wacom pads more afforable(start at $600 in my country) more artists would switch too it.

  • torrent it... the download took me 10 minutes

  • I didn't know that Painter had that feature for the pressure sensitivity... 'Coz mine does the same thing as his tablet for the brushes.

    And I still work with traditional medias. I guess I have more control over the traditional instead of digital medias..Yet the traditional stuff can be expensive in the long run.

    Totally love them artworks there. <3

  • OMG!!!!! Wacom Cintiq 21ux! THE TABLETGOD

  • ...tranfer my ideas into canvas, that way I save tons of money and save myself unnecesary waste of paint during the thinking process. In my case, I use digital as a TOOL, not as a means to an end. Remember, oneday the artist will find himself/herself in another planet and without any paint and brushes available only digital software like this. The artist will continue to create no matter what, even if he has to draw with his finger on the sands of Mars.

  • Once a reporter ask Picasso if the invention of photography will ruin the artist. Picasso answered that Photography did not ruin the artist, it liberated the artist. Now, he said, artists can do anything they want.

    What I mean in all this is that digital art is just another medium to help artist grow. Digital art wasn't created to eliminate the traditional way of painting but to open visually new horizons. I still like traditional tools but I use digital art to sketch my work and later....

  • I'm still in the pencil and paper age, feel sooo behind!!!

  • amen brother, same lol

  • You'll get there in time. ;)

  • same here, have photoshop, tried it, got sooooo confused, it was like trying to draw blindfolded omg, i heard corel is much easier, and plus i need a wacom...but they're like a bajillion dollars, maybe a tablet pc?

  • I'm wondering where is the place to order them from, computer stores might not carry such high-end stuff.

  • I got this for my b-day, so i don't know how much its costs...but i have an i-pen, which is a electronic pen that has a cord that goes into the flash drive. the end of the pen is built like a mouse, has a lazer and everything! you might need to look into that because I think it's way cheaper than most of those kind of things.

  • interface is just like photoshop

  • Eh, Painter has better blending than photoshop, and Painter is usually a program for artists that worked with traditional medias for a long time. Because the tools there are similar to the traditional stuff.

    But in end, I always use Photoshop to adjust the colors of my finished work. XP

  • I work with all mediums and this is just another one to add to the depth of the artist skills. When i went and bought my new cannon digital that did not mean I gave up my old cannon SLR. An artist still has to be an artist start with a good base and go from there.

  • i have got that program and its really great by the way i agree with

    BobBooley.

  • people that post negative comments about digital art are

    a) behind the times/out-dated

    b) don't know how to use computers

    c) threatened by its power

    d) have FAR less job opportunities

    e) are less well-rounded and equipped than a digital artist

    f) probably will NEVER be hired by any company to do any sort of work

    g) are normally 60 years of age and are old-school

    h) are not an artist and have no clue of the new possibilities this software brings

    get with the year 2008, losers

  • amen bro

  • +1

    There is nothing better then digital painting when your in.

  • Amen too lol ,

  • Nothing can beat the smell of real paint, the feel of real paper, and the mess it makes and therefore the utter reward when it works. sorry

  • This guy knows what's up. One thumbs up dude. *thumbs up*

    Plus digital art has no value. ZERO nil

  • if you only value your art by "the smell of the paint, and the mess it makes" that is.

  • Tell that to Todd Lockwood and other originally traditional painters who have been making a nice living of their digital art for years.

  • What do your sexual preferences have to do with digital art?

  • i want the touch screen shit!!! omg i want!! any1 know name of it plz reply MUST KNOW!

  • Wacom Cintiq.

  • the cintiq also costs $2000 so you might wanna consider that too...

  • i agree with ffpancho. toastyovens, you need a new mac or pc. LOL.

  • I WANT THAT WHERE CAN YOU GET IT

  • Really awesome.

  • Don't know waht Toastyoven is talkin about!!! I do great work with both PS & CP . maybe it's time for you to get a new PC huh!!!

  • It's like if adobe is paying him you for posting this rude comment on corel software ;) anyway... I'm happy with this, I work fine on this, the brushes are very real, is amazing how you can draw with the charcoal, just like if you were drawing on paper, and the real bristle is wonderful, I don't have the wacom tablet, I have a cheap genius pressure sensitive tablet and the painter X works great on it. Toastyovens you should check the configuration on your machine.

  • indeed, he's talking shit about painter in many, many videos about Corel Painter, it's rather RETARDED TOASTYOVENS! GO AWAY and let deside what tools they want to use for their art.

  • I've been using Painter since version 6. And yes all painter has is the great brush tracking and the brush engine and the shitty-aliased roatet feature. THAT'S IT. And those are the SAME features since painter 6 and hasn'r beeen improved ever since.

    If you want unbiased opinions based on facts by REAL USERs (not this COREL PAID DOUCHEBAG, go to cgtalk corel forum and you can read ALL the problems addressed YEARS ago but were ignored COMPLETELY by the overpaid corel fucks who works in India.

  • INterface is Photoshop like? Uh, pleeease...

    Painter's interface for color adjustments and object transforming is CRAAAAAAPPPPP.

    You can't preview it like PS, there's only a small postage stamp sized preview window (apparently the size of this douchebag's dick)

    and the and the navigator is slooow sticks to the mouse click (no separate adjustable window like PS) apparentl;y this douchebag is talking out of his ass.

  • stop using 1up yours music :P

  • What's ironic is that Corel is demonstrating their product, but the tablet they're using (the Cintiq) is getting all the attention. Not very smart on Corel's part.

  • Are you kidding? You can trace things on a Cintiq, use physical stencils and guides, and the size of your tablet does A LOT for preventing hand strain. Also, rotating physically is far, far better than hitting "e" and rotating.

    For whatever reason, I already guessed you were using a Mac from the tone of your first comments...

    Oh well.

  • Regular Wacom tablets, such as the Intuos, allow you to trace. The tablet is covered with a sheet you can lift up and slide artwork under. I've never done this, but it's possible. Rotating the canvas is not something I ever do, either. My point was that, for most users, a non-Cintiq tablet will serve their needs perfectly. You get used to it quickly --there's no need to draw on a monitor. Your Mac comments/insults seem uncalled for, btw. No need to get rude, is there?

  • From what I know.. Wacom sponsors Corel. :P

  • You don't really need or want the Cintiq. A good Wacom tablet will serve you much better than a $1200 Cintiq. It has the cool factor going for it, but professionals don't use it. Take it from someone who makes a living with a tablet. Save your money.

  • What setup are you using?

  • I'm on a Mac Pro dual quad, 23" Cinema display, using a 6x8" Wacom Intuos 2 tablet. No need for a huge tablet - you'll just be moving your arm around more if the tablet is big.

  • Thnx for the advice. Im no expert on tablets so its nice that pros like you take the time to advise others :-)

  • I use both platforms; I think both Mac and PC have their good traits but have a lot to learn. Obnoxious fanboys piss me off. You seem very talented, tho.

    I meant you can't trace using physical guides like ellipse guides or a ruler. Did you mean you only use Painter for post-processing of a live photo?

  • i want that Cintiq!!!!!!

  • I own Corel Painter, I need the Wacom Cintiq now! Great presentation, thanks for sharing.

  • FINALLY someone who speaks normally and clearly! Great presentation.

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