Its really funny how their are idiots on here who say that MrBit doesn't know anything about "PCs." That is so laughable, clearly MrBit has been working with all types of computers since the beginning. And its funny how all you PC fanboys get so mad if anyone says anything other than Macs Suck. How about trying something before forming an opinion?
a mac does what apple wants it to do..... if you happen to get something productive done that's great but i have been limited by apple too long no game (good games) no custom software will keep me from making the mistake of buying another apple my g4 grew mold while i continued using my old pc
Ok just did a comparison of 2 nearly similar server-builds (w/ custom having better specs or similar, never worse and W7U inc.). The custom PC came at a cost of 1500€ and the Mac Pro PC at 2500€. Tell me where I went wrong.
Hi and thanks for the vid. I understand your lack of trust in OEMs and you have mentioned some brands sich as Sony, Dell, HP...but I wanted to ask you about what you think of the Celsius workstations from Fujitsu Siemens. I have one that I recently bought second-and but in great shape and I use it for music production. It has 2 AMD Opteron 280 processors and only 4 GB of ram for now, plus an Nvidia Quadro FX 550 for a bit of editing work and maybe some minimum 3D graphic work. Any thoughts? 10X
well the thing is that mac pro´s come equipped with Intel Xeons, I mean you could build your rig with core i5´s i7´s and so forth, but benchmark after benchmark you won't be able to come even close to Intel or AMD´s server class cpus.
look it up online, a capable modern Intel Xeon can go from $300plus to past $1000, and the performance will trump any desktop class cpu out there
A 600 dollar gaming rig is good a sufficient one for years is around from 700 to 1000 and enthusiast is deferentially 1250 and up. And a gaming rig is a gaming rig. you can call a 600 dollar a gaming rig because it runs games and it will be faster than a oem or dell or shitty mac which is overpriced
The mac pro and every other high quality build from an OEM are horrendously overpriced. REAL Custom PCs like from iBuycyberpower and Syx actually have the right performance per dollar. When you are buying a mac pro, you are buying a $2000 or less home built computer, (assuming you are going to be making a computer with real performance per dollar *cough*not Intel*cough*) not a $3,500+.
yeah mac is more for richie people, everything is expensive, i know what you said about pc, but pc is still . i know mac is more protective. but i really think windows or pc is better.
OEMs are just annoying, though I understand the product support back by the companies they come from, but really.. they aren't worth it.
Yes, you can compare Desktop gaming rig to a mac pro. It's all in the programs (outside the OS) that makes the hardware sing or sink, and there is great ones on both sides, I'd just rather not spend an extra $4k+ for the same level of power in the hardware.
the thing i dont understand is u pay $2500 and u get 3gb of ram, a 2.8 quad core processor, 1tb hard drive, and the radeon 5770. i dont understand y you would pay so much for that.
Well I have a custom pc and it is hackintoshed and in the about this mac it comes up as a mac pro even though the parts in my pc are closer to imac spec, weird o.0
I have a cooler master atcs 840, h60 cooler 1090t, m3n72-d, win 7, ocz sli 1066, 5870, 1000 W PSU, raid 5 of 6 250 gb 7200's.... My computer is a lot better for the price compared to your mac shit.
Apple can't be touched when it comes to design and hardware IMO. Being a network engineer I will always love windows environment better because it is what I use for work. I do own several apple products iphone4 iPad MacBook pro which I bootcamp with win7 ultimate on. As far as os windows all the way as far as hardware and design u just can't touch apple. It's living proof everyday with all of there creations and everyone else trying to mimic but always falling short!
I USE BOTH FOR MUSIC I MAKE MUSIC I BUILD A TRACK ON PC TOSS IT IN TO MACK EDIT N THERE YA GO N THE PC IS CUSTOM SO I CAN SAY THERE BOTH GOOD BUT MAC IS GREAT WAY GREAT
i think what he is trying to say about the amateurs doing it wrong by adding flashy neon lights is simply this. PC RICERS! next they will start putting unnecessary large spoilers .
And the pro line of towers suck, you say the G3 was a good case LOL, We used to have a G3 and I sold that thing to a idiot for $150 when they go for $70 on ebay because he thought just cuz its mac its good. Yea ok mac's are a giant rip off and are for people that are computer illiterate.
Wow ok so your saying because a custom build is lit up with neons that it has bad airflow? Check out my pc im 18 custom built when i was 17, core i7 920 oc'ed to 3.4 GHz. 2 gtx 260's in sli. and custom antec 1200 with window mod, its lit up all blue neons. And my fan setup is probably 10x better than your macs which isnt lit up. Check it out if u dont believe me pull push config. 3 Fans in front suck ait in, 1 on top pulls air in and 2 back fans shooting it all out. A awesome setup.
great video, i am running a custom build with a cheap case and the ventalation is wonderfull, the mac pros case may be better but i get great air flow, i dont have any lights cuz i dont like lighted pcs. and bla bla bla
i have and i5 760 quad core oc to 3.6ghz and im only 14 and i built it and it probly will pawn ur mac. :) did i mention im 14 and i build computers and i think macs are for idiots that have no clue no offense. :) thumbs up
@bmw740ilowner Totaly agreea. Raw i5-760 performace is unbeatable for it's price by macs. Totaly own any app out there and you have Freedom at 50% the price of the mac.
Im running a 6 core OC at 4.1 ghz with 8 gigs of dominator oc at 1700mhz , Iv also got 4 Sata2 in Raid zero and im running a pair of OC GTX 275's in SLI with a crosshair m/b
Comparing things to DELL biult pcs ... What did you expect ?? you buy a pre built pc for 300$ and Expect it not to be filled with cheap junk??
@mimic58 thanks :) i have upgraded it took out the i5 put a i7 and a bigger graphics card i currently have a 1gb asus radeon hd 5870 and 12 gigs of ram
@bmw740ilowner i think you misunderstood the video, i have a liquid cooled PC i built myself along with 3 others, while I own a Mac Pro this video was not about it.
@mrbit10 See something you failed to touch on is the fact that if I want to upgrade any PC OEM I dont have to have an HP or Dell specific Graphics card/motherboard/memory, These components for a mac will cost 3-5X the price of the same exact model in a PC form, why ? Goto dell and look at the precision series. $2500 Gets you 2X Xeon's(not 1), RAID, 10K(not 7,200) HDD's, 2X Quadro's(not 1 entry level 5770), Redundant PSU. It's a proper workstation not just an overpriced desktop with a Xeon in it.
@CMI1986X64 I thought you didn't hate Macs? Yet here you are, on a completely different video, spouting the same exact bullshit you were saying to me. Sorry it was just really, really, really funny to see you in these comments talking about redundant PSUs, phone support, and Apple care..Hahaha, you really need a life kid, badly. Hahahaha
@TheMasterofganja I don't, I hate people that are completely oblivious to they fact they are getting royally ass raoed by apple on hardware premiums. Everything I said to you still holds true, the mac pro lacks many technologies widely adopted in "workstation" type machines. Seems like you are trolling the same videos looking to talk shit, yet you want to tell me what to do with my life ?? Take a look in the mirror fool.
@mrbit10 Not to mention that dell also includes 3 years of ON-SITE diagnostic and repair 100% Parts& Labor at NO CHARGE. Apple offers NOTHING. If you want to pay an extra $249.99 on apple care you can score 24-7 Phone support, seriously... on a quote on quote "workstation" ?? What a joke.
@bmw740ilowner People really do think that you need to spend $5000 on a custom built PC, when gaming rigs are usually way cheaper that macs, you cant even put what you want in a mac, mac is good for beginners that have never owned a pc before. You can't even find software for those pieces of shit. Custom PC all the way. go to apple.com and try to buy a fully loaded desktop system, it's damn near the price of a car, they are crazy.
this is my fisrt time watching your vids and this was obviously posted 2008 i wanna know, do you still think the mac pro case dominates over the pc cases sold today? not talking about OEM
@angelevo nope, i love the silverstone/lian li cases for custom build. my logic is you have to compare OEM to OEM and not OEM to custom build, my ideal situation would be custom build running a legal copy of OSX, IE see my set OSX free vids. OEM anything cannot compete with custom build
@mrbit10 "my logic is you have to compare OEM to OEM and not OEM to custom build"
I disagree with that. The logical conclusion is to compare whatever is more effective, both in terms of usability AND in terms of cost. Weather or not some random person put it together or not is of little relevance. Whichever build ends up being more effective for any individual user's use, that is the top comparison one can make.
Umm thats nice.Macs are overpriced. PC's are get what you pay for. As far as warranty, usually individual hardware warranty is better than the OEM crap that you have to put up with, especially when you get into gaming rigs. As far as ventilation goes, you make a good point with macs, but its the SIZE! And if you are so worried about vetilation, get yourself some shallow heatsinks, larger fans, and even water cooling. And if you have a 300$ pc, and you think its a gaming rig, its a gamin rig.
i can see why some people use macs its because they realy have no experience at using a pc properly. just for me realy i realy dont like their software it seems clutered and messy on the desktop. i understand you pay for quality and a lot of people have macs several years old and still working fine. but my sister who owned her mac computer for about 3-4 years has suddenly experienced lots of problems with hers. they also seem to cost to much for what they are pc is cheaperButItCouldChangeLater
if you want to use mac build a kick ass computer your self configure it corectly and run mac os on it and you will save £2000 and still have more power than a normal mac!!!
gaming computers are just another type of computer. i can do anything i want on my quad core i7 6gb 1200w 6870 2,080gb with a coolllllll case. guess how much i paid for it 900$ try doing that with a mac.
i have nothing against macs i just think that home built pcs beat everything. you get WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT! any processor in the world, any amount of hardrive space, any video card, ANYTHING i have CHOICES alienware/apple/ibuypower/origin/digitalstorm doesnt have choices.
I think homebuilt pc's are by far the best pcs you can get in the world.
custom pcs from people like dell and stuff obviously its going to have bad cable management. if you have a good case with good cable management it will not only look cooler than mac, have more features than mac case, it will be a better computer.
btw pc's can have dual 6 cores as well as macs.
you can build a gaming computer for 600$ actually it can be gaming with a 9800gt you dont need triple sli gtx 580s to be game
when i was little my dad said that macs are better beacause there easy to use, and my dad bearly touches technology so what are mac's really for? NOOB's that cant use computers, oh btw you have a quad.... and you think you know what your talking bout, how bout trying a 6 core processor :)
@lamiac2411 it's not price but hardware, it is also not just the ability to play games, wouldn't you prefer SLI or Crossfire if the game in question used it?
@mrbit10 Sure I would. But at the same time video cards of today are more than powerful enough to rum most games or pretty much any game for that matter easily with a single card. Hell I can still pretty much max out any game w/ descent framerates with my $200 radeon 4890. Also there are very few games that can actually utilize the potential of 2 powerful cards in Crossfire or SLI without numerous bugs. There are some. All I'm saying is u don't need to spen $1500 to have a descent gaming rig
@lamiac2411 i agree compeleatly i am running windows 64 bitt amd phenom ll x6 16GB of ram and 3TB of starage with a ati radeon HD5770 and what am i useing all of this power for??? video editing for my production company in full HD video useing adoby premire pro cs5 and i would never use a mac :D
@LegoBoyLuc2456 Sweet system. Ya I was gonna get a phenom X6 but decided to stick w/ my 965 X4 be for now as that is more than enough power for my gaming needs.
@LegoBoyLuc2456 For sure I am just waiting until the bulldozer cores come out and then I am all over that shit Lol. But hey if I can find an X6 on the cheap I will happily purchase. Ya I got lucky the chip I got will actually push around 4.2GHZ completely stable on a Corsair H50 and some arctic silver paste. I have done a bit of ripping and editing things like that and the X4 is really fast at that so I could only imagine the X6 with full core load. Are u using an SSD??
@lamiac2411 i did use two 64 gb patriot ssd in stripe raid not long ago but the raid controler failed for some reason and currupted the files so i switched back to my old 1.5 TB hard drive and put the ssd's in laptops
@mrbit10 You can easily build a gaming PC for $600, maybe not SLI or Crossfire, but it is a gaming machine. SLI and Crossfire are for enthusiast, not the average guy.
If you are into gaming, the macs are not for you. If you are into macs, then gaming is not for you. I will never spend $1,500 on an apple computer that they will "discontinue" the next year with their Super,Extra, Mega flow version, then the same thing the next year and the year after that. I loved macs before but the COST and BENEFIT aspect of it is simply grotesque. You buy macs not because they are better, they simply look cool. Hoping apple support will return my Macbook this year
@0VeilSide0 I completely agree w/ you. Why buy a mac when u can get a pc that runs windows and has double the power of the shitty $1500 mac Lol. I swear apple would sell a pentium 4 based machine for $1500 if they could get away with it. Whats that? You hate windows? Although most people who say they hate windows really have no clue on how to even use windows they have just been told it's a bad OS. Plus if u don't like windows there is Linux. Better than snow in my opinion and it's open sourced
LMFAO my computers 1500 LETS SEE UR PEICE OF FUCKING SHIT BEAT MINE faggot ram 8gb 1100 w power supply ASUS 5850 FTW 3.0 ghz amd pehnom x4 and liquid coolling yeah lmfao lets see that beat ur peice of shit mac go fuck urself dumbasss
For 3D I think PC is much better. Mac's are ok, but these days with windows 7, there isn't really much point of buying aa apple box apart from running final cut pro. Mac seems to a be a tiny bit better than PCs at 2D graphics.
Very good video! Even though I personally don't like any apple product ( except iPod ) I think that the Mac pro is one of the best for being a workstation! But is still not able to touch the power of a gaming windows based custom pc!
Mmm Watercooled CoolerMaster HAF X with red cold cathode's ...That look gorgeous ...and will keep it so much cooler than a MacPro , And! Why the fuck would anyone use 32GB RAM ? The most anyones gonna need is 4-8GB
Dude, your Mac Pro isnt a workstation its somwhere between a workstation and a desktop. Just beacuse Apple got a sweetheart deal for Xeons doesnt automatically make your Mac a Workstation. Your power supply is not redundant or high grade, FireGL and Quadro's isnt standard, RAID isnt standard and the storage is run of the mill not server grade. People arent just paying for John Ive's BS, if its a workstation they are paying for support, software solutions and RELIABILITY! I hated my G5 PM.
@agostino1978 while RAID is not standard RAID does not make up the main architecture for a workstation vs. say a server. I will grant you the new Mac Pros are much farther from a workstation but this mac pro used FB dimms and scaled in density far larger than desktop architecture which goes well beyond Xeons
Workstations are about huge scalability, backplane bandwidth, thruput, and extreme reliability and stability under crushing loads at 100% duty cycle 24/7 for what could be days or even weeks. It is decidedly not about the included video card or disk (not that those aren't available, but many uses simply don't need them)
To include high end cards or raids as a minimum spec would be limiting, and has little or nothing to do with what makes a workstation different from a desktop.
it sound like ur mac is ur girlfriend, i bet u be tryin to have sex wit it too...maybe its not the OEMs that have problems, its just u cause u suck n dont know wat ur doin
Fact... I have a Compaq that I have took out every part from it and put in new ones. My hard drive fried and I called compaq for a new one since I had warranty. They wanted proof so I sent them my hard drive. I looked in the mail for a week later and I had a hard drive speced for that particular model of comp I bought before. It doesnt void the warrenty. LOL
the warnanty on a costum buit is better then a oem because on a custum each part has its on waranty. usualy thay have lifetime warnanties. oems mostly last about 1 to 2 years, any longer you have to pay
For the same price, you can customize a better PC, and use the money you saved to hire someone to put the PC together for you, including wire management, while spending the same amount of money for a pre-built, WITH warranty for individual parts often many times greater (sometimes exceeding a 3 year warranty to a lifetime warranty), while having a computer that is often better than what you would have gotten pre-built.
@Virginityrocks Most people don't want to bother with warranty's for seperate parts, they want the entire machine to be covered under one plan, which is why they buy OEM machines, especially for businesses where messing around working out what's died or is playing up will waste your time and lose you money, they just want to phone someone up, they come out, fix it and leave, while they use another machine to carry on working, not having to worry about self support, Apple provide excellent cover.
@TalesOfWar So, if someone has data that goes haywire that is needed to complete a project for work that's due next week, what would you rather do? Send the entire laptop to be repaired, wait a week to get it back, or perhaps remove the hard drive, put it in another computer and go from there? People don't want to be unable to do so because of voiding warranties, either.
@Virginityrocks You can remove hard drives and replace them from any Mac without voiding the warranty, that's why they make them user accessible (granted it's a little more fiddly on the iMac, but it's a LOT more accessible than than any other all-in-one I've opened up). Also if you're a business user you'll get on site support, they'll come to you. If it needs replacing they'll usually have the bits with them or a loan machine while yours is fixed.
Dude Mac cant change CPU it kinds SUCK!!! right so let me say. My pc Core i7 980 3.33Ghz, Ram DDR3 8Gb*6 = 24GB 24,000Mhz, Graphic Card 4GB 3,333Mhz, 1TB SSD 72000rpm and 1,000W iCute power supply, windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit !!!! Game 100% work 100% Fast web 99% aslo proctect North 360 3year.. this mean kick ur mac off i spend for my pc about 3,500Grand so my pc no pbm for 1year it still live!!!!! u cant stop me we can stop mac !! i am for sure Mac loser!!!!!
you know what, forget it. you praise Apple, for what, paying twice as much for hardware from a personal computer vendor which forces you to use their OS just to lock you into a market where every app is expensive. because they are tidy ? they got cable ties ? if that is not fanboysm i dont know what is. i hope you'r happy when your iMac decides it doesnt want to give you back the DVD it has swallowed. goodbye and dont bother replying
@dig6dog i am not sure where you are coming from? i own more custom PCs then macs. Why is it not fair to say which most people use IE OEMS vs custom builds that hey, the two are very separate markets. I agree in many aspects about pricing, you can see another series i do with a channel called theshowthatsux where we go over a lot of the price and form factor. I am not arguing about tidy, the video i responded to did.
Dude, do you even have any idea of what you're talking about? Mrbit likes both operating systems, and both setups of the Mac, and PC. Though, he makes a GREAT point. Mac systems have many less issues then say, Sony, HP, and Maybe even Toshiba. (I owned a Toshiba laptop before, I abused the hell out of it but it ran Great for it's time until recently.)
The point he made is, you can not compare a Custom rig to a Mac. It just doesn't work that way. If you did it'd be pretty stupid.
@Blivia i'm sorry, i buy stuff with money, not peanuts. maybe you have a point ? Macs are only superior to PCs when they come from shitty OEMs, and that is due to a history of multiple hardware and compatibility issues. apple sells you a product designed to lock you into their market. to answer you, yes, i know what i talk about. as you could read ABOVE.
Well that's the point of this video. Hey do you own a gamesystem? Any one of the new generation ones?
Fact is, no matter which one it is they are trying to keep your business with them, you have to play their games, mostly use their hardware. You completely miss the point of this video, and you bash on Macs for no good reason other then Apple wants to be the only one to service your machine. You think that's bad? Go bash a sony PC. They're worse.
Apple as an OEM is not comparable to HP, since they charge twice as much for the same stuff.
Compare Apple as a OEM to Alienware, and you will see that the systems are better(same price range).
And you can still install OSX on it, plus W7 natively. Since the poster said "my point is, Apple as an OEM gives me more confidence than Dell, or Toshiba", my point is : you like OSX? fine. but praising Apple for hardware is f* stupid.
Do you realize you're paying for the extra software you're getting on a Mac? There's Advance movie editing, a photo album, I'm willing to bet an art program. The Mac runs Flawlessly with it's current hardware, and does it's job outstandingly. Apple might not have the -Best- hardware, but I'm willing to bet there's more to those custom built boards then you give Apple credit for.
Yes, they're pricey, no I wont find myself buying one.. But they're better then most PCs on the shelf.
By the way, Alienware sucks. They way overcharge for hardware you could buy at half the price... Kthxbia. (And they're a normal Windows Computer manufacturer, unlike the Apple's Mac which as said, has worth-while software, and more then enough specs to run it.)
Mac is user friendly, you'd be surprised at how many people don't know how to properly keep up a PC. That's not the only thing, the Mac has advanced Video, and Audio editing software. I'm not sure about image editing software, but otherwise I'm not sure what else a Mac can do that's outstanding from a PC, aside from having a Clean user interface. I don't even Own a Mac, but I can respect the piece of work it is.
@Blivia Mac's get Photoshop too and the rest of the Adobe stuff, so you can say it's equal on image editing. Although the Mac also has Aperture, which is a brilliant tool for photographers. It's very similar to Lightroom but more capable, and many would agree when I say it's better. It's personal opinion but it's an extra tool to choose from at least, on top of Lightroom. It's Mac only too, so here, as in a few other areas Macs have a better choice of software to use for certain tasks.
That was exactly my point, the Mac is not as much a piece of crap as Dig says it is. I'm not a fan of the system, and I've never owned one, but when someone says something completely out there for the sake of PC Vs Mac war, I feel the need to correct them.. He's just saying whatever he can for the war, he has nothing solid. You make some good points. ^_^
@dig6dog Windows has more software, I'd argue that Macs have BETTER software. I've yet to find anything on Windows that equals never mind surpasses Adium, or ScreenFlow, or Coda. Many applications are even better on the Mac too, like Handbrake, the Adobe Creative Suite (although Adobe still suck at coding updaters, but that sucks on Windows too). There's loads of little apps for the Mac that are made far better than any equivalent on Windows. I use both systems daily before you question me.
@dig6dog Spec up a Windows machine from HP, Dell, Asus, Sony and the like to have hardware, software and build quality that's the same or equivalent. You'll soon find that these machines end up costing as much and more often than not, MORE than a Mac of the same specs. The point he's making about trusting Apple as an OEM is they don't screw you on parts. Most OEM's use value RAM and cheap hard drives or last gen CPU's with the same clock, but missing things like hardware virtualisation.
@dig6dog How are you "forced" to use their OS? You can install any x86 based OS on a Mac. You'd have more weight in that argument if you said it the other way around, because all other prebuilt PC's run Windows with the exception of a very small number running a form of Linux because Windows requires more hardware than they have. Apps on OSX cost the same as on Windows if it's the same app, and there are plenty of very cheap and free apps out there too for pretty much anything you need.
@mrbit10 which might be cool, but you still dont have a point really. Apple as an OEM is comparable to Alienware, or Mesh, NOT Fujitsu, or Toshiba. an iMac with a i5 760 (locked) is £1800, the same intel - based self build WITH 27" MONITOR is £930 from Scan, comes with a 655k, is upgradeable (no, really), and runs on W7 !! Why on earth would i pay more to use Unix when i can have x86 ? Lower price, nonwhistanding the compromises PC had to make to let you use ANY hardware/sw. for free.
@dig6dog the point of this video is that custom builds do not suck but logically cannot be compared to OEMs as logistics are different. An OEM will never out compete technically or on price to a custom build. That is the point. I am comparing Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges.
@dig6dog HA, you can't get an IPS 27" 2560 x 1440 resolution monitor for LESS than £860, the cheapest one I know of is the Dell U2711 (found on Scan), which means you somehow got the rest of the system for 70 quid or so. x86 is a CPU architecture, not an OS foundation. UNIX runs on many architectures such as, CISC x86/x64, Intel IA64, RISC and it's ARM spin-off for low power embedded systems. Also, you can't compare a tower to an all-in-one the size of a monitor.
@dig6dog His point was that Mac Pro's use custom designed memory controllers made for server architectures, not desktop. There's no way you could put the same sort of hardware in a desktop and have it scale the same. The Mac Pro uses a workstation logicboard, workstation CPU's, workstation RAM and memory controllers. Shoving 32GB (or indeed 128 as the MP can actually support if you're rich enough for the DIMMS) will melt a desktop controller, plus i7's don't even go that high, 24GB is the limit.
first off i love my custom PC WIN7 home premium 3 gig processor , 6 gigs of ram (expandable to 16 ) and a TB hard drive everything is on board and this bitch flys
@djb1a2k3 Not everything is about gaming man. I love PC gaming, however you must take into consideration of their use in business, home computing, affordability, ease of use, ect.
@djb1a2k3 It will pwn si soft sandra and tomshardwareguide. Buy a real PC (an IBM workstation), they are not interested in burst mode overclockers, these guys are all about latency, error correction, wait states and solid system architecture, all the stuff you overclockers overlook as you chase the GHz.
When you're on an IBM everything runs faster and smoother. Macs haven't got a hope in hell at competing.
@djb1a2k3 is that your only fucking comeback you bitch??? yes mine can play ALL games and i cant get viruses (there is only like 3 viruses) so shut up about fucking games,.....
Stop rubbing you hands against that Mac Pro behind you. You hair product will interfere with it's thermal properties and potentially catch fire. And what is it you are actually saying? I'm confused.
@Scris101 Lol you sound so pathetic. Snobby rich person lol. All the guy said was if you want to game get a pc. When your spending $2000 an additional $300 bucks isn't a whole lot. If you like your pc then that's great, I have no problem with that, but don't pretend that "snobby rich people" are the only people to get macs. You make yourself look like a little fanboy that way and I'm sure you don't want that lol.
@Zombiebrainstew Its true. macs cost so much. pc's are pennies compared to macs. i would go with a pc any day. i dont see what mac users hate about them.
@Scris101 Well I'll try to help. People who "hate" apple or Microsoft or whoever are fools. The average Mac user does not hate pcs, they've just decided windows/pcs isn't a good option for them. You'll run into fanboy idiots across the board, trust me. It's not just Mac fanboys. I will say this: the average Mac user didn't just buy a Mac as their first computer, normally they switched. But a lot of pc owners have never owned a Mac. As someone who owns both I can decide from experience.
they hate them because they are noobs,they just whant a computer that works,without knowing how pc hardware works,and installing software,and they like gay looking devices,with the same gay look on the OS.
Anyways, dont look at the servers that based on pc architecture and say they are servers. They are servers, like a regular pc can be build as server. They all same same architecture CPU, and served a same purposed. Gaming pc is any pc with a good video card. High speed memory dont make your rig a gaming, maximum gaining is 1-2fps. Bro Mac PRO server is not a server it is a "server". Server has ability of 2-24 cpu and its not a basic pc architecture like MAC PRO or workstations.
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. You got 2002 old theory bro. Servers that like Mac PRO they are regular computers regular PC, and build from regular PC parts only using a dual motherboards with register ram, that register memory is slower then unbuffer. Thats why, its not good for gaming, it is slow, but has a good registering. Workstation is not real servers = PC computer that called "server:. Real server has razorz ability, supporting 12,16,18 cores. Its not regular Xeons
Someone that really wants a gaming rig wouldn’t buy an OEM PC to begin with. One main reason is because the case is proprietary, so something as simple as swapping out the motherboard is impossible. Mac Pros are in a different class, so for the average gamer it's over-kill. Gaming rigs don't require a lot of memory - 2 to 4GB is plenty. The PS, video card (or cards), CPU (dual-core generally over-clocked) and HDD (speed, etc) are the most important factors. A case with good air flow also.
Its really funny how their are idiots on here who say that MrBit doesn't know anything about "PCs." That is so laughable, clearly MrBit has been working with all types of computers since the beginning. And its funny how all you PC fanboys get so mad if anyone says anything other than Macs Suck. How about trying something before forming an opinion?
TheMasterofganja 2 weeks ago
You sir dont know any thing about Pcs
MultiAlliot 2 weeks ago
Look I see your point but when you buy your mac and you want to replace somthing in it do you do it your self or do you let apple do it?
CyanoticBrute 3 weeks ago
U suck balls dont you
lolppq223 1 month ago 2
a pc just does what you want it to do
a mac does what apple wants it to do..... if you happen to get something productive done that's great but i have been limited by apple too long no game (good games) no custom software will keep me from making the mistake of buying another apple my g4 grew mold while i continued using my old pc
andru502 2 months ago
custom pc's suck? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! LMAO!! wow you really don't know shit and you must be a mac user
plinorph 2 months ago 4
@plinorph did you watch the video, this video is the opposite, its a response to a video that said they suck, ie response in the title.
mrbit10 2 months ago 3
Ok just did a comparison of 2 nearly similar server-builds (w/ custom having better specs or similar, never worse and W7U inc.). The custom PC came at a cost of 1500€ and the Mac Pro PC at 2500€. Tell me where I went wrong.
GrantZ90 2 months ago
For me, it's Mac for mobiles and notebooks, pc for sick custom builds, get an awesome case with cable management holes.
Militarwizard 3 months ago
@Militarwizard Agreed. Or photo and video editing lol.
DiNcMe 3 months ago
Hi and thanks for the vid. I understand your lack of trust in OEMs and you have mentioned some brands sich as Sony, Dell, HP...but I wanted to ask you about what you think of the Celsius workstations from Fujitsu Siemens. I have one that I recently bought second-and but in great shape and I use it for music production. It has 2 AMD Opteron 280 processors and only 4 GB of ram for now, plus an Nvidia Quadro FX 550 for a bit of editing work and maybe some minimum 3D graphic work. Any thoughts? 10X
flotopo 3 months ago
well the thing is that mac pro´s come equipped with Intel Xeons, I mean you could build your rig with core i5´s i7´s and so forth, but benchmark after benchmark you won't be able to come even close to Intel or AMD´s server class cpus.
look it up online, a capable modern Intel Xeon can go from $300plus to past $1000, and the performance will trump any desktop class cpu out there
MrSuckmyballs32 4 months ago
A 600 dollar gaming rig is good a sufficient one for years is around from 700 to 1000 and enthusiast is deferentially 1250 and up. And a gaming rig is a gaming rig. you can call a 600 dollar a gaming rig because it runs games and it will be faster than a oem or dell or shitty mac which is overpriced
Scuurpro 5 months ago
The mac pro and every other high quality build from an OEM are horrendously overpriced. REAL Custom PCs like from iBuycyberpower and Syx actually have the right performance per dollar. When you are buying a mac pro, you are buying a $2000 or less home built computer, (assuming you are going to be making a computer with real performance per dollar *cough*not Intel*cough*) not a $3,500+.
ligerman30 5 months ago
id like macs more if not for the fact that steve jobbs is a arrogant prick
chemicallust77 5 months ago
yeah mac is more for richie people, everything is expensive, i know what you said about pc, but pc is still . i know mac is more protective. but i really think windows or pc is better.
NenaBoricua101 6 months ago
Avg 2000 gaming computer, Race bike. Mac pro [my baby] steam locomotive
sardo97 6 months ago
OEMs are just annoying, though I understand the product support back by the companies they come from, but really.. they aren't worth it.
Yes, you can compare Desktop gaming rig to a mac pro. It's all in the programs (outside the OS) that makes the hardware sing or sink, and there is great ones on both sides, I'd just rather not spend an extra $4k+ for the same level of power in the hardware.
Kerns0Phoegon 6 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
docs.google.com/document/d/1CZAGVKkw0k0fxuFjA7VZWbBqiES0LOd4HWYoTSQljhQ/edit?hl=en_US
Prices? What are you thinking? To match My Computer to a Mac Pro, the mac pro 3x the cost.
I use my computer to do video editing, sound, High end gaming, Picture editing and Home Internet school work.
Kerns0Phoegon 6 months ago
the thing i dont understand is u pay $2500 and u get 3gb of ram, a 2.8 quad core processor, 1tb hard drive, and the radeon 5770. i dont understand y you would pay so much for that.
mexicanmanjohn 6 months ago
@MrCocta thats why i unplug my electronics from the wall during a storm. you should too.
campaingboy73 6 months ago
Well I have a custom pc and it is hackintoshed and in the about this mac it comes up as a mac pro even though the parts in my pc are closer to imac spec, weird o.0
JdsComputerBuilds 6 months ago
You are an idiot lols
CodesClan 7 months ago
Mac & PC are both good. So many hate on Apple without even really using mac os.
I've been using PCs for a long time and have a gaming rig. This really should be mac os vs windows from the comments I've read.
For gaming hands down PC will kill a Mac. Everything else, from multimedia to regular use to net, productivity. Give me a Mac any day.
boon111 7 months ago
You sir, are an idiot.
I have a cooler master atcs 840, h60 cooler 1090t, m3n72-d, win 7, ocz sli 1066, 5870, 1000 W PSU, raid 5 of 6 250 gb 7200's.... My computer is a lot better for the price compared to your mac shit.
M1America 7 months ago
Wanna change a gaming PC to workstation PC? Put in a nvidia tesla parallel gpu processor. And I bet it would still cost less than a Mac.
Fouge642 7 months ago
just 1 question what you CINEBENCH 11.5 score in you mac
if it beat 21.62 come talk about pc or mac
if not go put in your ass all the case's
i just use two type of case 1- Mountain Mods Extended Ascension
or danger den Double Wide Tower - 21
cooleye99 8 months ago
Intel pentium dual core E5800 3.2GHZ
4GBS DDR3 RAM
ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB
600 WATT PSU
Thermaltake M5
500GB HDD
300MBPS Wireless
Windows 7 premium
596.99 euro :D
Foxie1995 9 months ago
I'll buy PC if cost is most important factor. I'll buy Mac when user experience matters. I'll always say being a fanboi sucks.
talezshin 9 months ago
ill never go back to pc, NEVWERTTRR
Zkrudriverz 9 months ago
You can make you own case for pennies
gvi341984 9 months ago
the case is ugly
pillzepop 9 months ago
Custom PC:
-Well, it's custom
-No extra unwanted software
-Typically more powerful than most consumer pre-builds
-Get awesome case with lots of LEDs :D
elel70 9 months ago
the only truly awesome looking custom pc i've seen on youtube is the sentry dispenser custom cpu, look it up
iamthechanceman 10 months ago
I hate dust
xy274 10 months ago
MacInTrash is for iRetards
terorvlad 10 months ago
Apple can't be touched when it comes to design and hardware IMO. Being a network engineer I will always love windows environment better because it is what I use for work. I do own several apple products iphone4 iPad MacBook pro which I bootcamp with win7 ultimate on. As far as os windows all the way as far as hardware and design u just can't touch apple. It's living proof everyday with all of there creations and everyone else trying to mimic but always falling short!
ITguy41 10 months ago
What headphones are those on your desk? They look a bit like sennheiser hd201's
thebeetalls 11 months ago
@thebeetalls they are :)
mrbit10 11 months ago
@mrbit10 Sweet :P i got a pair just recently and they seem pretty good considering i got em for $21 on amazon.
thebeetalls 11 months ago
I USE BOTH FOR MUSIC I MAKE MUSIC I BUILD A TRACK ON PC TOSS IT IN TO MACK EDIT N THERE YA GO N THE PC IS CUSTOM SO I CAN SAY THERE BOTH GOOD BUT MAC IS GREAT WAY GREAT
deejaypprada 11 months ago
i think what he is trying to say about the amateurs doing it wrong by adding flashy neon lights is simply this. PC RICERS! next they will start putting unnecessary large spoilers .
EpiDemic117 11 months ago
And the pro line of towers suck, you say the G3 was a good case LOL, We used to have a G3 and I sold that thing to a idiot for $150 when they go for $70 on ebay because he thought just cuz its mac its good. Yea ok mac's are a giant rip off and are for people that are computer illiterate.
xalbokingx 11 months ago
Wow ok so your saying because a custom build is lit up with neons that it has bad airflow? Check out my pc im 18 custom built when i was 17, core i7 920 oc'ed to 3.4 GHz. 2 gtx 260's in sli. and custom antec 1200 with window mod, its lit up all blue neons. And my fan setup is probably 10x better than your macs which isnt lit up. Check it out if u dont believe me pull push config. 3 Fans in front suck ait in, 1 on top pulls air in and 2 back fans shooting it all out. A awesome setup.
xalbokingx 11 months ago
5:28 to 6:01 was pure bullshit.
Disinf3ctant 11 months ago
great video, i am running a custom build with a cheap case and the ventalation is wonderfull, the mac pros case may be better but i get great air flow, i dont have any lights cuz i dont like lighted pcs. and bla bla bla
ashensunhappyonion 1 year ago
great video
ashensunhappyonion 1 year ago
i have and i5 760 quad core oc to 3.6ghz and im only 14 and i built it and it probly will pawn ur mac. :) did i mention im 14 and i build computers and i think macs are for idiots that have no clue no offense. :) thumbs up
bmw740ilowner 1 year ago 17
@bmw740ilowner Totaly agreea. Raw i5-760 performace is unbeatable for it's price by macs. Totaly own any app out there and you have Freedom at 50% the price of the mac.
terorvlad 10 months ago
@bmw740ilowner
Nice, I build computer too but it's slightly obnoxious to state your age and that you build computers, kinda pisses me off.
(I'm 13 years old by the way.)
PSPianist 9 months ago
@bmw740ilowner kewl, getting a new pc too... not as badass though :p
frozenskipper 8 months ago
@bmw740ilowner lol ok you have a better computer but asking for thumps up just showed how immature you are don't do it :D
rubenandpimslapping 8 months ago
@rubenandpimslapping Dude get out here im still a teen so u can say w.e u wannt mac lover
bmw740ilowner 8 months ago
@bmw740ilowner have I ever mentioned that I'm a maclover no....
rubenandpimslapping 8 months ago
@bmw740ilowner
Im running a 6 core OC at 4.1 ghz with 8 gigs of dominator oc at 1700mhz , Iv also got 4 Sata2 in Raid zero and im running a pair of OC GTX 275's in SLI with a crosshair m/b
Comparing things to DELL biult pcs ... What did you expect ?? you buy a pre built pc for 300$ and Expect it not to be filled with cheap junk??
And you want to pit a mac against it??? Lol ..
mimic58 8 months ago
@mimic58 whats your point bro im 14 i didnt have that much money i raised that on like 4 months
bmw740ilowner 8 months ago
@bmw740il that your pc would piss on his mac....
mimic58 8 months ago
@mimic58 thanks :) i have upgraded it took out the i5 put a i7 and a bigger graphics card i currently have a 1gb asus radeon hd 5870 and 12 gigs of ram
bmw740ilowner 8 months ago
@bmw740ilowner i think you misunderstood the video, i have a liquid cooled PC i built myself along with 3 others, while I own a Mac Pro this video was not about it.
mrbit10 7 months ago 9
@mrbit10 See something you failed to touch on is the fact that if I want to upgrade any PC OEM I dont have to have an HP or Dell specific Graphics card/motherboard/memory, These components for a mac will cost 3-5X the price of the same exact model in a PC form, why ? Goto dell and look at the precision series. $2500 Gets you 2X Xeon's(not 1), RAID, 10K(not 7,200) HDD's, 2X Quadro's(not 1 entry level 5770), Redundant PSU. It's a proper workstation not just an overpriced desktop with a Xeon in it.
CMI1986X64 5 months ago
@CMI1986X64 I thought you didn't hate Macs? Yet here you are, on a completely different video, spouting the same exact bullshit you were saying to me. Sorry it was just really, really, really funny to see you in these comments talking about redundant PSUs, phone support, and Apple care..Hahaha, you really need a life kid, badly. Hahahaha
TheMasterofganja 5 months ago
@TheMasterofganja I don't, I hate people that are completely oblivious to they fact they are getting royally ass raoed by apple on hardware premiums. Everything I said to you still holds true, the mac pro lacks many technologies widely adopted in "workstation" type machines. Seems like you are trolling the same videos looking to talk shit, yet you want to tell me what to do with my life ?? Take a look in the mirror fool.
CMI1986X64 4 months ago
@mrbit10 Not to mention that dell also includes 3 years of ON-SITE diagnostic and repair 100% Parts& Labor at NO CHARGE. Apple offers NOTHING. If you want to pay an extra $249.99 on apple care you can score 24-7 Phone support, seriously... on a quote on quote "workstation" ?? What a joke.
CMI1986X64 5 months ago
@bmw740ilowner hahaha the "im young so what i'm saying is cooler" argument... priceless XD
Btw, if macs were for idiots, most of pro audio and video editing wouldn't be done on macs like it is right now. Sorry but you fail.
vincentlm77 7 months ago
@bmw740ilowner People really do think that you need to spend $5000 on a custom built PC, when gaming rigs are usually way cheaper that macs, you cant even put what you want in a mac, mac is good for beginners that have never owned a pc before. You can't even find software for those pieces of shit. Custom PC all the way. go to apple.com and try to buy a fully loaded desktop system, it's damn near the price of a car, they are crazy.
strikerm70 3 months ago
@bmw740ilowner Keep building great custom pcs dude, PC all the way
strikerm70 3 months ago
@bmw740ilowner LoL, like it's hard to build a PC...
louisvl10 2 weeks ago
this is my fisrt time watching your vids and this was obviously posted 2008 i wanna know, do you still think the mac pro case dominates over the pc cases sold today? not talking about OEM
angelevo 1 year ago
@angelevo nope, i love the silverstone/lian li cases for custom build. my logic is you have to compare OEM to OEM and not OEM to custom build, my ideal situation would be custom build running a legal copy of OSX, IE see my set OSX free vids. OEM anything cannot compete with custom build
mrbit10 1 year ago
@mrbit10 "my logic is you have to compare OEM to OEM and not OEM to custom build"
I disagree with that. The logical conclusion is to compare whatever is more effective, both in terms of usability AND in terms of cost. Weather or not some random person put it together or not is of little relevance. Whichever build ends up being more effective for any individual user's use, that is the top comparison one can make.
AndrewDeLong 4 months ago
Umm thats nice.Macs are overpriced. PC's are get what you pay for. As far as warranty, usually individual hardware warranty is better than the OEM crap that you have to put up with, especially when you get into gaming rigs. As far as ventilation goes, you make a good point with macs, but its the SIZE! And if you are so worried about vetilation, get yourself some shallow heatsinks, larger fans, and even water cooling. And if you have a 300$ pc, and you think its a gaming rig, its a gamin rig.
ABrick2009 1 year ago
I bought gaming machine for only 450€ and my friend can play only wow on max settings on 650€ worht "office" dell machine...
And another friend bought mac for around 1500€ and can play on same settings as 1st friend
MrErjavec 1 year ago
i can see why some people use macs its because they realy have no experience at using a pc properly. just for me realy i realy dont like their software it seems clutered and messy on the desktop. i understand you pay for quality and a lot of people have macs several years old and still working fine. but my sister who owned her mac computer for about 3-4 years has suddenly experienced lots of problems with hers. they also seem to cost to much for what they are pc is cheaperButItCouldChangeLater
nikoface 1 year ago
if you want to use mac build a kick ass computer your self configure it corectly and run mac os on it and you will save £2000 and still have more power than a normal mac!!!
LegoBoyLuc2456 1 year ago
people like you actually make my world easier thank god for you lol...
how ever there are some parts of this video at which i could argue for either side, but you did a pretty good job of summing it up
good vid
askloglog 1 year ago
Um no. You can upgrade a OEM Desktop. Not a Mac.
NateN34 1 year ago
gaming computers are just another type of computer. i can do anything i want on my quad core i7 6gb 1200w 6870 2,080gb with a coolllllll case. guess how much i paid for it 900$ try doing that with a mac.
i have nothing against macs i just think that home built pcs beat everything. you get WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT! any processor in the world, any amount of hardrive space, any video card, ANYTHING i have CHOICES alienware/apple/ibuypower/origin/digitalstorm doesnt have choices.
megamindstorm101 1 year ago
I think homebuilt pc's are by far the best pcs you can get in the world.
custom pcs from people like dell and stuff obviously its going to have bad cable management. if you have a good case with good cable management it will not only look cooler than mac, have more features than mac case, it will be a better computer.
btw pc's can have dual 6 cores as well as macs.
you can build a gaming computer for 600$ actually it can be gaming with a 9800gt you dont need triple sli gtx 580s to be game
megamindstorm101 1 year ago
AUS says: i7 950 3.2Ghz , 6 GIG RAM, GTX 570 1.25 gigs = 1200$
when i was little my dad said that macs are better beacause there easy to use, and my dad bearly touches technology so what are mac's really for? NOOB's that cant use computers, oh btw you have a quad.... and you think you know what your talking bout, how bout trying a 6 core processor :)
sneakyadd 1 year ago
@sneakyadd AGREED!
MasterNaruto1214 1 year ago
lol mac is just a pc with debian...haha
silverfearn 1 year ago 2
@silverfearn Excellent Point!!!!
mandrivaal 1 year ago
Why can you not have a $600 gaming rig?? It plays games doesn't it? Who are you to judge what is considered a gaming rig only on price point?
lamiac2411 1 year ago
@lamiac2411 it's not price but hardware, it is also not just the ability to play games, wouldn't you prefer SLI or Crossfire if the game in question used it?
mrbit10 1 year ago
@mrbit10 Sure I would. But at the same time video cards of today are more than powerful enough to rum most games or pretty much any game for that matter easily with a single card. Hell I can still pretty much max out any game w/ descent framerates with my $200 radeon 4890. Also there are very few games that can actually utilize the potential of 2 powerful cards in Crossfire or SLI without numerous bugs. There are some. All I'm saying is u don't need to spen $1500 to have a descent gaming rig
lamiac2411 1 year ago
@lamiac2411 i agree compeleatly i am running windows 64 bitt amd phenom ll x6 16GB of ram and 3TB of starage with a ati radeon HD5770 and what am i useing all of this power for??? video editing for my production company in full HD video useing adoby premire pro cs5 and i would never use a mac :D
LegoBoyLuc2456 1 year ago
@LegoBoyLuc2456 Sweet system. Ya I was gonna get a phenom X6 but decided to stick w/ my 965 X4 be for now as that is more than enough power for my gaming needs.
lamiac2411 1 year ago
@lamiac2411 yer theres no need for the power i have got just for games as they dont use it, for just gameing the x4 is brilliant
LegoBoyLuc2456 1 year ago
@LegoBoyLuc2456 For sure I am just waiting until the bulldozer cores come out and then I am all over that shit Lol. But hey if I can find an X6 on the cheap I will happily purchase. Ya I got lucky the chip I got will actually push around 4.2GHZ completely stable on a Corsair H50 and some arctic silver paste. I have done a bit of ripping and editing things like that and the X4 is really fast at that so I could only imagine the X6 with full core load. Are u using an SSD??
lamiac2411 1 year ago
@lamiac2411 i did use two 64 gb patriot ssd in stripe raid not long ago but the raid controler failed for some reason and currupted the files so i switched back to my old 1.5 TB hard drive and put the ssd's in laptops
LegoBoyLuc2456 1 year ago
@lamiac2411 sounds like it would be a great rig im not useing ssd's yet but i might change currntly im runing 6x 1TB hard drives in raid 5
LegoBoyLuc2456 10 months ago
@lamiac2411 also i can run every game maxed out apart from civilasation 5 which it can run in medium and it was only £120
LegoBoyLuc2456 1 year ago
@mrbit10 You can easily build a gaming PC for $600, maybe not SLI or Crossfire, but it is a gaming machine. SLI and Crossfire are for enthusiast, not the average guy.
HostileDonut 11 months ago
A calculator has more power then a Mac!
Hunter1428 1 year ago
If you are into gaming, the macs are not for you. If you are into macs, then gaming is not for you. I will never spend $1,500 on an apple computer that they will "discontinue" the next year with their Super,Extra, Mega flow version, then the same thing the next year and the year after that. I loved macs before but the COST and BENEFIT aspect of it is simply grotesque. You buy macs not because they are better, they simply look cool. Hoping apple support will return my Macbook this year
0VeilSide0 1 year ago
@0VeilSide0 I completely agree w/ you. Why buy a mac when u can get a pc that runs windows and has double the power of the shitty $1500 mac Lol. I swear apple would sell a pentium 4 based machine for $1500 if they could get away with it. Whats that? You hate windows? Although most people who say they hate windows really have no clue on how to even use windows they have just been told it's a bad OS. Plus if u don't like windows there is Linux. Better than snow in my opinion and it's open sourced
lamiac2411 10 months ago
LMFAO my computers 1500 LETS SEE UR PEICE OF FUCKING SHIT BEAT MINE faggot ram 8gb 1100 w power supply ASUS 5850 FTW 3.0 ghz amd pehnom x4 and liquid coolling yeah lmfao lets see that beat ur peice of shit mac go fuck urself dumbasss
DJsharp707 1 year ago
For 3D I think PC is much better. Mac's are ok, but these days with windows 7, there isn't really much point of buying aa apple box apart from running final cut pro. Mac seems to a be a tiny bit better than PCs at 2D graphics.
bumtownv2 1 year ago
Very good video! Even though I personally don't like any apple product ( except iPod ) I think that the Mac pro is one of the best for being a workstation! But is still not able to touch the power of a gaming windows based custom pc!
blowupuate13 1 year ago
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leerees 1 year ago
I build my pc for 8000 $ its wery expensive !!! But it will crush any PC!!
MARKO4166 1 year ago
i think this guy needs to hop off apples dick
iPuR3xXx3d63i 1 year ago
Mmm Watercooled CoolerMaster HAF X with red cold cathode's ...That look gorgeous ...and will keep it so much cooler than a MacPro , And! Why the fuck would anyone use 32GB RAM ? The most anyones gonna need is 4-8GB
KR1NkAndroid 1 year ago
u bad
QueenGoesYT 1 year ago
Dude, your Mac Pro isnt a workstation its somwhere between a workstation and a desktop. Just beacuse Apple got a sweetheart deal for Xeons doesnt automatically make your Mac a Workstation. Your power supply is not redundant or high grade, FireGL and Quadro's isnt standard, RAID isnt standard and the storage is run of the mill not server grade. People arent just paying for John Ive's BS, if its a workstation they are paying for support, software solutions and RELIABILITY! I hated my G5 PM.
agostino1978 1 year ago 12
@agostino1978 while RAID is not standard RAID does not make up the main architecture for a workstation vs. say a server. I will grant you the new Mac Pros are much farther from a workstation but this mac pro used FB dimms and scaled in density far larger than desktop architecture which goes well beyond Xeons
mrbit10 1 year ago
Workstations are about huge scalability, backplane bandwidth, thruput, and extreme reliability and stability under crushing loads at 100% duty cycle 24/7 for what could be days or even weeks. It is decidedly not about the included video card or disk (not that those aren't available, but many uses simply don't need them)
To include high end cards or raids as a minimum spec would be limiting, and has little or nothing to do with what makes a workstation different from a desktop.
TheTessellator 11 months ago
it sound like ur mac is ur girlfriend, i bet u be tryin to have sex wit it too...maybe its not the OEMs that have problems, its just u cause u suck n dont know wat ur doin
Djmoe2k8 1 year ago
Fact... I have a Compaq that I have took out every part from it and put in new ones. My hard drive fried and I called compaq for a new one since I had warranty. They wanted proof so I sent them my hard drive. I looked in the mail for a week later and I had a hard drive speced for that particular model of comp I bought before. It doesnt void the warrenty. LOL
GamerHolocaust 1 year ago
the warnanty on a costum buit is better then a oem because on a custum each part has its on waranty. usualy thay have lifetime warnanties. oems mostly last about 1 to 2 years, any longer you have to pay
lenoat702 1 year ago
Bring 3DMark Vantage or 3DMark 2011 to Apple and all this fanboyism can end.
ecchibanzaii 1 year ago
well macs have there uses and pc have theres macs have good software but you do pay more for it then what you could build a pc for
pcs are cheaper and have there uses like i use my rig for videorendering/3d rendering/gaming/folding@home
like i said it depends on what your needs are for the computer see my channel for my pc specs
iTzxXDaRkOnEXx 1 year ago
GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked 1280MB
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2
ASUS M4N98TD EVO AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz
625GB Western Digital WDC WD64
Is this good for $1000?? I might go with higher PSU though.
SnowBoardin360 1 year ago
do you have videos showing off you custom PCs?
TearsOfWar1 1 year ago
@TearsOfWar1 older ones where i have my liquid cooled PC, you have to back a couple of years :P
mrbit10 1 year ago
For the same price, you can customize a better PC, and use the money you saved to hire someone to put the PC together for you, including wire management, while spending the same amount of money for a pre-built, WITH warranty for individual parts often many times greater (sometimes exceeding a 3 year warranty to a lifetime warranty), while having a computer that is often better than what you would have gotten pre-built.
Virginityrocks 1 year ago
@Virginityrocks Most people don't want to bother with warranty's for seperate parts, they want the entire machine to be covered under one plan, which is why they buy OEM machines, especially for businesses where messing around working out what's died or is playing up will waste your time and lose you money, they just want to phone someone up, they come out, fix it and leave, while they use another machine to carry on working, not having to worry about self support, Apple provide excellent cover.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar So, if someone has data that goes haywire that is needed to complete a project for work that's due next week, what would you rather do? Send the entire laptop to be repaired, wait a week to get it back, or perhaps remove the hard drive, put it in another computer and go from there? People don't want to be unable to do so because of voiding warranties, either.
Virginityrocks 1 year ago
@Virginityrocks You can remove hard drives and replace them from any Mac without voiding the warranty, that's why they make them user accessible (granted it's a little more fiddly on the iMac, but it's a LOT more accessible than than any other all-in-one I've opened up). Also if you're a business user you'll get on site support, they'll come to you. If it needs replacing they'll usually have the bits with them or a loan machine while yours is fixed.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar What you typed makes too much sense. See, the only people who matter in the computer world is gamers
Zubirrex 1 year ago
Dude Mac cant change CPU it kinds SUCK!!! right so let me say. My pc Core i7 980 3.33Ghz, Ram DDR3 8Gb*6 = 24GB 24,000Mhz, Graphic Card 4GB 3,333Mhz, 1TB SSD 72000rpm and 1,000W iCute power supply, windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit !!!! Game 100% work 100% Fast web 99% aslo proctect North 360 3year.. this mean kick ur mac off i spend for my pc about 3,500Grand so my pc no pbm for 1year it still live!!!!! u cant stop me we can stop mac !! i am for sure Mac loser!!!!!
TheMadeira2010 1 year ago
@TheMadeira2010 Your comment is fail and makes no sense.
61dav16 1 year ago
you know what, forget it. you praise Apple, for what, paying twice as much for hardware from a personal computer vendor which forces you to use their OS just to lock you into a market where every app is expensive. because they are tidy ? they got cable ties ? if that is not fanboysm i dont know what is. i hope you'r happy when your iMac decides it doesnt want to give you back the DVD it has swallowed. goodbye and dont bother replying
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog i am not sure where you are coming from? i own more custom PCs then macs. Why is it not fair to say which most people use IE OEMS vs custom builds that hey, the two are very separate markets. I agree in many aspects about pricing, you can see another series i do with a channel called theshowthatsux where we go over a lot of the price and form factor. I am not arguing about tidy, the video i responded to did.
mrbit10 1 year ago 5
@dig6dog
Dude, do you even have any idea of what you're talking about? Mrbit likes both operating systems, and both setups of the Mac, and PC. Though, he makes a GREAT point. Mac systems have many less issues then say, Sony, HP, and Maybe even Toshiba. (I owned a Toshiba laptop before, I abused the hell out of it but it ran Great for it's time until recently.)
The point he made is, you can not compare a Custom rig to a Mac. It just doesn't work that way. If you did it'd be pretty stupid.
Blivia 1 year ago
@Blivia i'm sorry, i buy stuff with money, not peanuts. maybe you have a point ? Macs are only superior to PCs when they come from shitty OEMs, and that is due to a history of multiple hardware and compatibility issues. apple sells you a product designed to lock you into their market. to answer you, yes, i know what i talk about. as you could read ABOVE.
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog
Well that's the point of this video. Hey do you own a gamesystem? Any one of the new generation ones?
Fact is, no matter which one it is they are trying to keep your business with them, you have to play their games, mostly use their hardware. You completely miss the point of this video, and you bash on Macs for no good reason other then Apple wants to be the only one to service your machine. You think that's bad? Go bash a sony PC. They're worse.
Blivia 1 year ago
@Blivia ok, answers for people with limited IQ:
Apple as an OEM is not comparable to HP, since they charge twice as much for the same stuff.
Compare Apple as a OEM to Alienware, and you will see that the systems are better(same price range).
And you can still install OSX on it, plus W7 natively. Since the poster said "my point is, Apple as an OEM gives me more confidence than Dell, or Toshiba", my point is : you like OSX? fine. but praising Apple for hardware is f* stupid.
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog
Do you realize you're paying for the extra software you're getting on a Mac? There's Advance movie editing, a photo album, I'm willing to bet an art program. The Mac runs Flawlessly with it's current hardware, and does it's job outstandingly. Apple might not have the -Best- hardware, but I'm willing to bet there's more to those custom built boards then you give Apple credit for.
Yes, they're pricey, no I wont find myself buying one.. But they're better then most PCs on the shelf.
Blivia 1 year ago
@dig6dog
By the way, Alienware sucks. They way overcharge for hardware you could buy at half the price... Kthxbia. (And they're a normal Windows Computer manufacturer, unlike the Apple's Mac which as said, has worth-while software, and more then enough specs to run it.)
Blivia 1 year ago
@Blivia you think Mac has the better software base ? You are fucking delusional.
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog
Mac is user friendly, you'd be surprised at how many people don't know how to properly keep up a PC. That's not the only thing, the Mac has advanced Video, and Audio editing software. I'm not sure about image editing software, but otherwise I'm not sure what else a Mac can do that's outstanding from a PC, aside from having a Clean user interface. I don't even Own a Mac, but I can respect the piece of work it is.
You write better code, then say it's Shit.
Blivia 1 year ago
@Blivia Mac's get Photoshop too and the rest of the Adobe stuff, so you can say it's equal on image editing. Although the Mac also has Aperture, which is a brilliant tool for photographers. It's very similar to Lightroom but more capable, and many would agree when I say it's better. It's personal opinion but it's an extra tool to choose from at least, on top of Lightroom. It's Mac only too, so here, as in a few other areas Macs have a better choice of software to use for certain tasks.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@TalesOfWar
That was exactly my point, the Mac is not as much a piece of crap as Dig says it is. I'm not a fan of the system, and I've never owned one, but when someone says something completely out there for the sake of PC Vs Mac war, I feel the need to correct them.. He's just saying whatever he can for the war, he has nothing solid. You make some good points. ^_^
Blivia 1 year ago
@dig6dog Windows has more software, I'd argue that Macs have BETTER software. I've yet to find anything on Windows that equals never mind surpasses Adium, or ScreenFlow, or Coda. Many applications are even better on the Mac too, like Handbrake, the Adobe Creative Suite (although Adobe still suck at coding updaters, but that sucks on Windows too). There's loads of little apps for the Mac that are made far better than any equivalent on Windows. I use both systems daily before you question me.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@dig6dog Spec up a Windows machine from HP, Dell, Asus, Sony and the like to have hardware, software and build quality that's the same or equivalent. You'll soon find that these machines end up costing as much and more often than not, MORE than a Mac of the same specs. The point he's making about trusting Apple as an OEM is they don't screw you on parts. Most OEM's use value RAM and cheap hard drives or last gen CPU's with the same clock, but missing things like hardware virtualisation.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@dig6dog How are you "forced" to use their OS? You can install any x86 based OS on a Mac. You'd have more weight in that argument if you said it the other way around, because all other prebuilt PC's run Windows with the exception of a very small number running a form of Linux because Windows requires more hardware than they have. Apps on OSX cost the same as on Windows if it's the same app, and there are plenty of very cheap and free apps out there too for pretty much anything you need.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
MAC=OSX=running computer for idiots
HP, Dell, etc..=Windows-running computers for idiots
you might have a good point, but your idea of comparison is ludicrous. and you fail on too many things to take you seriously ..
"memory controller melting" ??
what about a *single* mention of how OSX sucks?
do you even know what "custom" means? my PC is custom. i built it, CUSTOM. ordering a mac off the web and choosing your cpu is not "custom"
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog feel free to see my videos on my "Custom liquid cooled Rig"
mrbit10 1 year ago
@mrbit10 which might be cool, but you still dont have a point really. Apple as an OEM is comparable to Alienware, or Mesh, NOT Fujitsu, or Toshiba. an iMac with a i5 760 (locked) is £1800, the same intel - based self build WITH 27" MONITOR is £930 from Scan, comes with a 655k, is upgradeable (no, really), and runs on W7 !! Why on earth would i pay more to use Unix when i can have x86 ? Lower price, nonwhistanding the compromises PC had to make to let you use ANY hardware/sw. for free.
dig6dog 1 year ago
@dig6dog the point of this video is that custom builds do not suck but logically cannot be compared to OEMs as logistics are different. An OEM will never out compete technically or on price to a custom build. That is the point. I am comparing Apples to Apples and Oranges to Oranges.
mrbit10 1 year ago
@dig6dog HA, you can't get an IPS 27" 2560 x 1440 resolution monitor for LESS than £860, the cheapest one I know of is the Dell U2711 (found on Scan), which means you somehow got the rest of the system for 70 quid or so. x86 is a CPU architecture, not an OS foundation. UNIX runs on many architectures such as, CISC x86/x64, Intel IA64, RISC and it's ARM spin-off for low power embedded systems. Also, you can't compare a tower to an all-in-one the size of a monitor.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
@dig6dog His point was that Mac Pro's use custom designed memory controllers made for server architectures, not desktop. There's no way you could put the same sort of hardware in a desktop and have it scale the same. The Mac Pro uses a workstation logicboard, workstation CPU's, workstation RAM and memory controllers. Shoving 32GB (or indeed 128 as the MP can actually support if you're rich enough for the DIMMS) will melt a desktop controller, plus i7's don't even go that high, 24GB is the limit.
TalesOfWar 1 year ago
mac suck and always be!
kohjul 1 year ago
you must suck at building pcs.apple and macs suck
linuxpowerification 1 year ago
He's been in Hp's, He's been in Dells....never a women.
InsightGamingUK 1 year ago
first off i love my custom PC WIN7 home premium 3 gig processor , 6 gigs of ram (expandable to 16 ) and a TB hard drive everything is on board and this bitch flys
purified159 1 year ago
STFU!
Your using Eyefinity and you know it!
CobraGMW2 1 year ago
omfg shut up!!!! mac suxxxxx!!!! i can build a gaming pc fore around 800$ and it will pwn mac.
All mac users is noobs
djb1a2k3 1 year ago 41
@djb1a2k3 Really? I'm not going to even bother.
beastmodeclick1082 1 year ago
@djb1a2k3 you are very ignorant, sir.
SquickenX 1 year ago
@djb1a2k3 HUUUURRRPP. DUUURURRRPPP. I LIEKS GAMEZ AND /CHANMEMES LLOJLLLLLOL>OLLJOLLOLL!!1!
Zubirrex 1 year ago
@djb1a2k3 Not everything is about gaming man. I love PC gaming, however you must take into consideration of their use in business, home computing, affordability, ease of use, ect.
BigdogWitBigdog 1 year ago
@djb1a2k3 It will pwn si soft sandra and tomshardwareguide. Buy a real PC (an IBM workstation), they are not interested in burst mode overclockers, these guys are all about latency, error correction, wait states and solid system architecture, all the stuff you overclockers overlook as you chase the GHz.
When you're on an IBM everything runs faster and smoother. Macs haven't got a hope in hell at competing.
leerees 1 year ago
@djb1a2k3 You're a noob.
stianjean 1 year ago
@djb1a2k3 is that your only fucking comeback you bitch??? yes mine can play ALL games and i cant get viruses (there is only like 3 viruses) so shut up about fucking games,.....
TheDocoz123 11 months ago
Stop rubbing you hands against that Mac Pro behind you. You hair product will interfere with it's thermal properties and potentially catch fire. And what is it you are actually saying? I'm confused.
hazey55 1 year ago
ok heres the deal. If you want to game. Make a custom pc. If you want to do everything else but gaming get mac.
TheXtraGuy 1 year ago
@TheXtraGuy no. if you want to game and do everthing else a mac can do for 300 dollars cheaper? get a pc. if your a snobby rich person, get a mac.
Scris101 1 year ago
@Scris101 Lol you sound so pathetic. Snobby rich person lol. All the guy said was if you want to game get a pc. When your spending $2000 an additional $300 bucks isn't a whole lot. If you like your pc then that's great, I have no problem with that, but don't pretend that "snobby rich people" are the only people to get macs. You make yourself look like a little fanboy that way and I'm sure you don't want that lol.
Zombiebrainstew 1 year ago
@Zombiebrainstew Its true. macs cost so much. pc's are pennies compared to macs. i would go with a pc any day. i dont see what mac users hate about them.
Scris101 1 year ago
@Scris101 Well I'll try to help. People who "hate" apple or Microsoft or whoever are fools. The average Mac user does not hate pcs, they've just decided windows/pcs isn't a good option for them. You'll run into fanboy idiots across the board, trust me. It's not just Mac fanboys. I will say this: the average Mac user didn't just buy a Mac as their first computer, normally they switched. But a lot of pc owners have never owned a Mac. As someone who owns both I can decide from experience.
Zombiebrainstew 1 year ago
@Scris101
they hate them because they are noobs,they just whant a computer that works,without knowing how pc hardware works,and installing software,and they like gay looking devices,with the same gay look on the OS.
linuxpowerification 1 year ago
Anyways, dont look at the servers that based on pc architecture and say they are servers. They are servers, like a regular pc can be build as server. They all same same architecture CPU, and served a same purposed. Gaming pc is any pc with a good video card. High speed memory dont make your rig a gaming, maximum gaining is 1-2fps. Bro Mac PRO server is not a server it is a "server". Server has ability of 2-24 cpu and its not a basic pc architecture like MAC PRO or workstations.
krasav4ik82 1 year ago
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. You got 2002 old theory bro. Servers that like Mac PRO they are regular computers regular PC, and build from regular PC parts only using a dual motherboards with register ram, that register memory is slower then unbuffer. Thats why, its not good for gaming, it is slow, but has a good registering. Workstation is not real servers = PC computer that called "server:. Real server has razorz ability, supporting 12,16,18 cores. Its not regular Xeons
krasav4ik82 1 year ago
hi
is there a software i can install that will monitor how hot my computers gets?
hyylo 1 year ago
my out of the box gaming laptop was 700 bucks. no upgrades. 4 gbs of Ram and a GeForce 9800m GS 512mb. Came as advertised and still under warrenty.
The7DeadlyStrings 1 year ago
Someone that really wants a gaming rig wouldn’t buy an OEM PC to begin with. One main reason is because the case is proprietary, so something as simple as swapping out the motherboard is impossible. Mac Pros are in a different class, so for the average gamer it's over-kill. Gaming rigs don't require a lot of memory - 2 to 4GB is plenty. The PS, video card (or cards), CPU (dual-core generally over-clocked) and HDD (speed, etc) are the most important factors. A case with good air flow also.
jwd0808 1 year ago
i hate apple, the price is really high..
for case i LOVE THE ANTEC 1200 BEST CASE IN THE WORD :):):)...
by the way i respect your ( OPINIONS ) and i hope you respect ours tooo...
say what you want to say but, I will always hate apple...
SuperSSA 1 year ago
Give me a gaming mac then?!
What should we compare it to when gamers look for wich to go to FFS?!
katt157 1 year ago
NERDS!!!!
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