Sully here isn'y saying "staying the course" is a good idea. He's saying the Democrats need to provide and alternate plan rather than just talking how we shouldn't have gone to war to begin with.
In most things Americans are, by their very nature, foreward thinkers. As a rule of thumb they tend to be tomorrow oriented and future thinking.
It is most likely that they will look at the situation in iraq and say "We're here, we're in this up to our eyeballs, where do we go from here?" and then try to make things better.
If Americans were forward thinkers they would've forseen the disaster that the invasion of Iraq has caused. Instead they opted to believe in fairy Tales of being greeted as "liberators".
What you think doesn't really matter, if you have any concept of democracy surely what Iraqi's think is important, look at the polls, first of all most believed pre-invasion that this had nothing to do with freedom/democracy, now the majority believe life was better under saddam, and want the troops out.
I like Andrew Sullivan, but I must disagree with him...Americans don't want to stay the course....staying the course is what got us into this mess....we want a graceful exit in the very near future....thats what Americans are looking for.
Your estimation is completely ridiculous. Sullivan wasn't defending the war - he was offering a political analysis on the parties' messages about the war. He was merely stating that the American people want to here certainty and a plan for the future. Bush's plan is "stay the course". The Democrats never really came forward as a unit to offer anything for the future. He never said that "stay the course" was working or that we should continue in Iraq.
It's not correct for you to label Sullivan a "toll extraordinaire" for the GOP. He's actually been very critical of the Bush administration and its conduct of the war (he voted for Kerry in 2004 for that reason, among others). It's clear that in this clip he is merely making general observations about voters psyche and weighting in on the strength and weakness of the strategy/argument each party is employing. He's not talking about how people should in fact vote or how they ought to think.
Why does the poster of this vid have so much difficulty discerning what Sullivan is saying here?
sunkencheeks 2 years ago 3
Sully here isn'y saying "staying the course" is a good idea. He's saying the Democrats need to provide and alternate plan rather than just talking how we shouldn't have gone to war to begin with.
AceOfSevens 3 years ago 6
you nailed it
thugly921 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What a revolting bore...
He is VERY inconsistent and a very poor analyst.
Cannot be taken seriously
sillycowss 4 years ago
Sullivan dissapoints me with this.
rolpho 4 years ago
Mister sullivan has a quite valid point.
In most things Americans are, by their very nature, foreward thinkers. As a rule of thumb they tend to be tomorrow oriented and future thinking.
It is most likely that they will look at the situation in iraq and say "We're here, we're in this up to our eyeballs, where do we go from here?" and then try to make things better.
fignal 5 years ago
If Americans were forward thinkers they would've forseen the disaster that the invasion of Iraq has caused. Instead they opted to believe in fairy Tales of being greeted as "liberators".
BigOrangeTitan 4 years ago
What do you propose that they do?
Right now they are there; yes the country is a colossal mess at the moment but the world needs more democracies (did i spell that right?).
I still think that Iraq now is better then Iraq oppressed under the boot of a tirant.
fignal 4 years ago
What you think doesn't really matter, if you have any concept of democracy surely what Iraqi's think is important, look at the polls, first of all most believed pre-invasion that this had nothing to do with freedom/democracy, now the majority believe life was better under saddam, and want the troops out.
salim201 4 years ago
I like Andrew Sullivan, but I must disagree with him...Americans don't want to stay the course....staying the course is what got us into this mess....we want a graceful exit in the very near future....thats what Americans are looking for.
framedanddry 5 years ago
Your estimation is completely ridiculous. Sullivan wasn't defending the war - he was offering a political analysis on the parties' messages about the war. He was merely stating that the American people want to here certainty and a plan for the future. Bush's plan is "stay the course". The Democrats never really came forward as a unit to offer anything for the future. He never said that "stay the course" was working or that we should continue in Iraq.
ba571418 5 years ago
i don't gay bash... the dude has some valid points.
pwgpwg3 5 years ago
Andrew Sullivan is an Anglo-American hero, calling Bushit where he finds it.
seltzerwater464 5 years ago
Anybody who thinks Andrew Sullivan is into parroting Republican talking points doesn't know what they're talking about.
cheesechoker 5 years ago
Angry fag? David Brock,is that you?
seans10 5 years ago
Fuck you. It takes one to know one, as David Brock discovered, you latent shit-dick.
seltzerwater464 5 years ago
The guy who posted the video is named "TheAngryFag." And it is HE who insults Andrew Sullivan, not I. And I'm rather pro-fag actually.
seans10 5 years ago
Sorry, I guess that I misinterpreted your comments.
seltzerwater464 5 years ago
It's not correct for you to label Sullivan a "toll extraordinaire" for the GOP. He's actually been very critical of the Bush administration and its conduct of the war (he voted for Kerry in 2004 for that reason, among others). It's clear that in this clip he is merely making general observations about voters psyche and weighting in on the strength and weakness of the strategy/argument each party is employing. He's not talking about how people should in fact vote or how they ought to think.
akiallen26 5 years ago
I must concur, "Andrew Sullivan: Tool Extraordinaire."
KujoAAR 5 years ago