'I Love the Army But I Can't Be Quiet Anymore'

[ArmyArmorOfWar]

i like how they signed up for a job that requires you to fight, and yet they dont want to now, they should have now what was gunna happen, the military isn't just something that pays for you to go to school or some video game, i guess they thought they had the balls to hack it, and turns out they didnt

[totoynani143]

whenever someone says they love the Army but,, is a liar. the're talking shit now that they're out maybe because they didnt get what they thaught the Army owe's them.I think the main problem for us american is,we think that we r guaranty to always win or we r entitled to even the things that r hard to achieve,

[totoynani143]

The ? is, r u guy combat vet? cz i did not see that much female outside the wire. dont fucking enlist bitches, Soldiers r use for war stupid,soldier fight and die in war..loose or win.. no regret.most of u r probably the 80% who just stays in the fob all througout the deployment and claim ptsd cz u swallowed kuwaiti dust.Army is not a democracy.

[cockyhemi]

@totoynani143 Wow! If this is the caliber of soldier we have in the Army today then it's a disgrace. I guess the Army takes anyone nowadays. You type like a caveman, try to learn your own language which is English! Anyhow, if something is not right it takes balls to speak up and say something, not hide in a corner and do everything that you are told. This invasion of Iraq was bullshit, and if someone invaded my country I'd try to kill them too. I'm a Marine combat veteran also, fyi.

[ArmyArmorOfWar]

@cockyhemi ehh any branch of military is hard to get into now a days, they dont just take any1, its not college

[aaron1719]

@totoynani143 You make the army look bad.

[crypt2090]

any person that knows what war is their against it

[ColoradoRanger]

yeah they are against it because they signed up for free college and got sent to war you are a soldier, you knew that ment combat

[cockyhemi]

@ColoradoRanger It's meant.

[JudischerWolfsmench]

It is not the place of a soldier to challenge the decisions of your Commander in Chief or your superiors. As ctizens, yes, but getting a paycheck to fight then saying you do not want to is not right. They fired a General for this guys. I support WHAT you are saying, not HOW you are saying it.

Good Luck with this.

[colton12344321]

this is bullshit.

[Ron11B10]

hahahahahahaha....wow look at these POG's. Let me guess it was so hard for you to get up in the morning and go to the PX and buy everything up! F-ing FOBBITS! What did you ever do in your tour?

[Funkfo]

@seymorass93 100% agree....though I don't believe everything was done correctly with Iraq......I cannot sit there and say that these people have any rights (according to the UCMJ) to protest openly as active duty members of the military. The code strictly forbids it and it shatters morale across the boards.

[bapyou]

"(War is) a racket. A few profit - and the many pay. But there is a way to stop it. It can be smashed effectively only by taking the profit out of war."

"I spent most of my time (in the military as) a high class muscle-man for Wall Street. I was a gangster for capitalism."

"TO HELL WITH WAR!"

Quotes from the 1935 pamphlet 'War is a Racket' written by Major General Smedley Butler, United States Marine Corps, one of only 20 soldiers to twice be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.

[Sporkmater]

Something tells me that Texme never served.

[texme]

You stay quite you soldier slaves. endless war mean endless profit, paid by you tax dollars. stop thinking and take orders.

[mjjcng8958]

@texme soldiers are not slaves slaves dont have a choice to serve soldiers so have a choice to serve though.

[mjjcng8958]

@mjjcng8958 do

[CaseyJPorter]

I got an Honorable Discharge from the Army, and I have left IVAW.

[bobbymatou]

this is why the army sucks

USMC FTW

[rocwiler0]

i think you failed to see the point of the video

[connor5149]

i think that we need to stand for u the usa cuz i dont wanna be a slave

[seymorass93]

this is stupid

why did these people even join the army, these people shouldn't have even joined the army if they knew they were going to fight

[slykid366]

army rules

[duaneediger]

There is a way back from death-dealing to life-building. I've seen it. Tonight at my church I heard a man whose soul was in shreds after he had patriotically and dutifully killed Vietnamese women and children. It took years after coming back, but life found a home in him again and through him others also are finding it.

[profharp]

Afghanistan is a waste, as well.

[boogpatton]

Absolutely correct. Pull everyone out of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Stop giving tyrants in the middle east arms and let them settle their own issues. I suspect that within a few months they will off Bin Laden for you.

[VonUbermensch]

Whoo I worked with Ronn in Iraq. Keep it up man.

[MelissaPissaDissa]

To the guy who says hes in the army and doesn't "understand these tools..." When you have PTSD and have been recalled to Iraq or Afganistan and away from your family for the fifth or sixth time, see what you understand then. the bottom line is there's a huge difference between volunteering and a backdoor draft that lasts untold years of your life. Watch Catch 22.

[coldsteel92]

Yeah I don't understand these tools. I am in the army but I know I volunteered for the army. Just like them. It really is stupid. We actually have to our jobs now. WTF did they think you get to hang out and get paid for nothing.

[jenirooz1]

Honestly, why did they join knowing they could possibly go to war? What did they think war was going to be like? Our military isn't there just for looks. More power to our men and women in the military! If we hadn't gone over there, Saddam and his cronies probably would have become a bigger power to contend with. People who would sit back and let the terrorist come in to our country scare me more than the terrorist themselves!

[DckrsnThmas5762]

Why did they cut the black chic off from what she had to say? I dont know but it could've been important.

[theloverman3344]

these people are scum, they dont give a fuck about anything but tv time

[DVincentW]

Suspended account, GOOD @lvrman3344

[tifftigershark]

army rules!

[infantryren]

fuck you POGs

[daveysavvy]

we need the dream-ticket.....go barack!..go hillary!....we must try to put this country back together again to resemble what it looked like before bush.end war,healthcare reform,and turn our economy around!!!!!!!!!

[concerned00citizen]

...brave, brave, brave soldiers. I solute you all. Don't go back. Don't let your friends go back. Deplete uranium...... BRAVE - I'm proud of you.

[JunebugBpt08]

first time: Bush hasn't used rubber bullets, tear gas, or water cannon. You go to protests and go home, unarrested. second time: They've been NO abuse in the US that matches the ruberbullets, tear gas and water cannon that's been used by the "peace movement's hereo" Chavez. contradicted yourself there buddy! first its bush never done it, then he has but not to the same extent. hmmmm

[JunebugBpt08]

you can deny it all you want but "you can protest and go home after" is a crock.. people have been detained, denied needed medication during their detainment, beaten by police, YES! even shot at with rubber bullets! i know you have seen such footage you just say other in defense of your precious thug..bush!

[JunebugBpt08]

Bush hasn't used rubber bullets, tear gas, or water cannon. You go to protests and go home, unarrested. <-- how full of shit can you be? have you been paying attention the last 8 years?

[JunebugBpt08]

just watch the news out of Venezuela and tell me this isn't so! constant trash talking against Chavez, countless footage of all sectors of Venezuela society (highly selective) saying what they feel about chavez. sorry but your claims are weak.

[JunebugBpt08]

and don't assume I'm pro Chavez , the bolivarian movement was before Chavez and will be here after Chavez.

[JunebugBpt08]

you know good and well there is plenty of footage on youtube of protesters being shot with rubber bullets, maced,tasered..etc in the US. it happens in every country. if you have something against Chavez then work with some facts, not the long tired Miami style propaganda.

[raouldeming]

YOU're the one who LIED. Bush hasn't used rubber bullets, tear gas, or water cannon. You go to protests and go home, unarrested.

Chavez does all of that and will send you to jail for insulting him.

You lied that Chavez was more democratic than Bush. Eat it.

[JunebugBpt08]

wrong! there has been plenty of abuses with protesters in the US. as for free speech in venezuela, constantly on the corporate media they bash their president make outlandish lies and call for violence and the govt hasn't stop them. if that were to happen in the US shit would hit the fan.

[raouldeming]

Junebug you lying stinker. They've been NO abuse in the US that matches the ruberbullets, tear gas and water cannon that's been used by the "peace movement's hereo" Chavez.

Stop your lies.

[JunebugBpt08]

you are so full of it, believing that if you keep repeating your lies it will convince others? grow up. in the matter of free speech..no one should be imprisoned for whatever they choose to say about anyone or any government. but you assume imprisoned dissidents in venezuela was only a matter of free speech, in a country where plenty of people have been quite outspoken against the govt and still are able to do so to this day.

[JunebugBpt08]

also dont speak as if anyone that is jailed under Chavez are angels, the world has seen the corruption by so called dissidents in venezuela who have no regards to democracy nor safety to the general public. face it! the minority elite lost control and they will do anything to get it back.

[raouldeming]

LOL, OK so you can call them bad people and take away their free speech.

JUnebug, you are absolutey facist.

[raouldeming]

BTW, Clueless, try again and tell me where Bush used rubber bullets, tear gas or water cannon. Don't change the subject or lie. The whole world's watching.

[Scentless]

Are you talking about me, or that 90's movie with Alicia Silverstone? You don't have to go Selma to intimidate people and shut them up. The Bush Admin. detains and releases its citizens and critics for charges that don't ever hold water on a regular basis, to intimidate them. You can quell dissent without guns and water cannons.

[raouldeming]

BTW, you mention Selma. Tell me about Bull Connoer, the racist DEMOCRAT who sic'ed dogs and water cannon on civil rights marchers.

[Scentless]

Good for him. He was a Democrat. I am not. And what happened to most, if not all of the Dixiecrats after the Democratic party embraced the civil rights movement? They left for the Republican party, and have done a wonderful job to gloss over that fact. By the way, you're the only character who's mentioned Chavez during this whole argument. Are you on LSD or something? It sounds like you're replying to a completely different video at times.

[raouldeming]

Shrew, good that you know your limitations...

[raouldeming]

Clueless, "McCarthy-esque propaganda"?

Really?

Continuing...there's also a montage of Communist leaders there and the page URL ends with "Marxism101".

Look at the other lessons that teach Communism.

IVAW's leader, Camilo Mejia is a Marxist Sandinista. Read Chapter 1 of his book or checkout his Democracy Now interview.

Clueless, you have no clue. I know much more about your organization that you do.

Treason or stupidity, you and IVAW are killing soldiers.

[Scentless]

I'm not a part of their organization, nor do I wish to be. Let's get back to the issue: the immoral war, not your tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories and mindless vendetta against Camilo and socialists. How are the IVAW killing soldiers any more than this war already is? I want to hear more about your backwards logic so I can have something to chuckle about later.

[rebellioushrew]

Well said. Because I won't even reply to his illegible ramblings!

[raouldeming]

IVAW's endorsement of the WTI findings encourages the enemy to continue. Every day they do, the blood of the soldiers they kill is on the hands of the IVAW members.

[Scentless]

Are you one of those people that believes fundamentalist terrorists watch secular television and are somehow magically energized to kill our soldiers by seeing Americans exercise their democratic rights? That's not just silly, it's goddamned ridiculous. Dissenting opinion isn't treason, and isn't "aiding and abetting". You're making yourself a pawn in the administration's machinations to cut down on opinions that dissent from their own plans.

[raouldeming]

Your dissent includes endorsing the enemy's cause, telling them it's moral, and getting soldiers killed; that's treason.

[Scentless]

I've never said that. Terrorism is immoral, regardless of whether the perpetrator is Al Qaeda or the US government, because it kills people and ruins lives. I'm not with answer, or IVAW, or the PSL, and I don't endorse them. The only things we share in common are our distaste for the Iraq War. We have different justifications for it, and I'm sure individuals in those organizations have different reasons for it, too. And I'm sorrow to tell you this, but talking doesn't get soldiers killed.

[raouldeming]

There is no peace sign big enough to hide your shame for not morally and physically distancing yourself from phony peace groups that get our troops killed.

Scentless, you have their blood on your hands.

[Scentless]

I have blood on my hands because I and people like me want them to NOT be at risk of death and injury in an unjust war, while you don't because you want to play armchair tactician and have them fight imaginary enemies thousands of miles away? You're deluded. That, and you still haven't linked dead soldiers to dissenting opinions about the war in the US. Instead,you're spitting out empty slogans. Find me some evidence that isn't baseless conjecture.

[raouldeming]

One of the IVAW founders, Tim Goodrich, a USAF vet, participated as a witness to US Army war crimes in Iraq at WTI.

Yet Goodrich never served in Iraq. Flightline guy in Saudi and Kuwait IIRC.

Ever hear his explaination as to why the US military is terrorist? It's absolute bullshit.

[raouldeming]

These pukes are traitors. The IVAW is run by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War who smeared their own generation of military as "baby killers" and "war criminals".

The VVAW marched under the enemy flag and chanted how they wanted the adversary to win, while there will other soldiers still fighting.

raouldeming at hotmail dot com

[CaseyJPorter]

Wow, I gotta say, your post made me laugh. How seriously are we going to take a personal insult of the InterWeb?

[raouldeming]

They earned the insult, you're a pussified product of "everybody get a trophy" soccer games.

The IVAW are playing "dress up" and pretending they're the V.V.A.W. and this is the 60's.

I notice you skipped over how the VVAW rooted for the enemy and marched under the VietCong flag.

You eother don't have a clue or want to hide that.

Treason is not patriotism.

[CaseyJPorter]

Well, you know, I will have to look that up myself. I do not know of that, but simply can't take your word for it. Now, I am a Combat Vet, and have earned that title. Since you feel the need to throw out insults, please tell me then, what is your COMBAT history?

[raouldeming]

Wow, they way you guys throw around COMBAT VET, it's a real laugh. Petreaus is a COMBAT VET, yet you had Elvis Kokesh sit behind him in a hearing and call him a liar.  Thrity Five years of service and he's not as brave or as smart as the IVAW guys...

If you want respect, you have to earn it. Elvis' "Generals Lie, Solder's Die" sign was a disgrace.

And for all your "oath to the Constitution" rhetoric, remember the part about civilian leadership of the military.

[CaseyJPorter]

Well, you never answered my question. Actually, you did. You must not be a Combat Vet. Your probably a guy who beats the war drum, just doesn't have the nuts to get down to the recruiting station.

[raouldeming]

Porter, get stuffed. It's not all about you.

You clowns are redoing Operation RAW this weekend. Ever hear of Joe Urgo? He marched in the original and then went to Hanoi to as first Vietnam vet to travel to Hanoi in support of the revoluntary struggle of the Vietnamese.

IVAW is an endorser of the findings of the World Tribunal on Iraq which tells the "resistance" it's OK to kill American troops by any means necessary. The IVAW has stabbed those troops still in combat in the back.

[CaseyJPorter]

It's cool, keep ranting.  You can't answer a direct question, that really says a lot.

[raouldeming]

IVAW = VVAW Puppets

So, this weekend, which IVAW puke is going to play Joe Urgo (VVAW marcher in the 70's version) and defect to the enemy and help them in their "revolutionary struggle"?

You guys were hanging out with Jane Fonda back during January's protest. The least you could do is invite here to Valley Forge. She made the last one...

[CaseyJPorter]

Rant rant rant. Your weak sauce. Your no Combat Vet, just some angry guy on the InterWeb.

[raouldeming]

And you're no patriot. Combat vet? Send me a signed off SF-180 and prove it.

You still haven't explained why your idolize the VVAW traitors and approve the IVAW taking the same route.

IVAW endorsed the WTI declaration. IVAW has the blood of America troops on their hands. You encouraged the enemy to continue and that cost the lives of honorable service members, while the IVAW was busy making Adams Morgan safe for democracy.

[raouldeming]

Casey, in the meantime, do a Google image search on words Miami and VVAW. Look for a black and white photo of a VW Bug. That was the lead vehicle of a VVAW convoy that rolled in to Miami for a protest. On the hood is an NLF (Vietcong) flag. Also, there was that chant, "Ho, HO HO Chi Minh, N-L-F is gonna win."

Read "Stolen Valor" by Burket, "America in Vietnam" by Lewy and wintersoldier dot com and on the left margin "What's New" and see the CID reports on how Winter Soldier lied.

[rebellioushrew]

Support the troops. Bring them home from "policing" the world and to protect OUR borders!

"Why don't we just open up the Constituion once in a while and just read it! We are not allowed to go to war without a declaration"

-Ron Paul

[raouldeming]

Ron Paul is a weenie. Cite me the passage that says that and specifies the exact manner.

Remember, FDR's famous speech only says "a state of war has existed".

Germany didn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Yamamoto attacked Pearl Harbor. After we "assainated" Yamaoto, why did we continue, wasn't that illegal?

[raouldeming]

I saw Ron Paul today....on the side of a milk cartonn.

[bamboosgt]

India Victor Alpha Whiskey! -Oorah!

You vets rock the states.  go for it.

Thomas Paine

[raouldeming]

IVAW is more Benedict Arnold than Tom Paine.

How the hell did you guys elect Camilo Mejia, a self described committed Sandinista Marxist, you standard bearer?

Freaking guy talks about the "triumph of the revolution". Your oath of enlistment said you would defend us against Camilo, not follow him.

[Scentless]

"I,*, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

Where does that say "people who claim to be socialists"? You can't call someone a traitor because they disagree, or because they object to what they were ordered to do. Revolution can mean lots of things. I, for one, want a cultural revolution against dangerous nationalist thinking like your own.

[raouldeming]

I'm not going to re-enact the "Dead Parrot" sketch with you.

Claim my ass, they are communists. RCP wants to overthrow the US, Constitution or not.

Go play dumb with someone else.

[Scentless]

Since when was communism evil? I thought that it was only bad when it was used within a totalitarian government, but whatever. Either way, so what if he has different political beliefs? There are tons of different people involved in the anti-war movement-it's not the gang of hippies you're probably imagining. These soldiers are a part of that.

[raouldeming]

"Since when was communism evil?"

Communism only killed 100 million people in the last 100 years, let's give it another chance.

Since Communism is slavery, of course it can only exist where there's totalitarianism.

Scentless = Clueless

[Scentless]

Communism didn't kill those people, totalitarian regimes and revolutions did. You have some kind of lapse in the portion of your brain that determines cause and effect. Communism in totalitarian regimes never works because it never succeeds in what it sets out to do: create a classless society. It just creates the same problems that plague capitalist countries,and the working class is in the same place is was before. Jesus, you must have been fed leftover McCarthy-esque propaganda.

[raouldeming]

Clueless, "McCarthy-esque propaganda"?

Really?

Your "soldiers" gleefully volunteered to lead the ANSWER parade to the Pentagon back on St PAtty's Day. ANSWER is run by Brian and Richard Becker of the Party For Socialism & Liberaltion.

At their site, pslweb dot org, there's Che's, think he's a Lutheran? In that red ribbon is a link to EDUCATION. That brings up a page with a study group under a banner with Che and a Hammer & Sickle.

[Scentless]

Yes, McCarthy-esque. You're old enough to remember the Red Scare, aren't you? Socialism and Communism aren't one in the same, and neither of them mean "totalitarianism". That's just a foolish idea pumped into your head by people who don't know what they're going on about. "True" communism hasn't been practiced yet. And that's not the point. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue at hand with jibberish and false history.

[raouldeming]

Clueless, "obfuscate"? Really?

Nobody pumped anyting into my head. I just read all your websites. You haven't. You're Clueless.

Lie to us and tell everyone IVAW leader Mejia's not a Marxist. Lie.

Clueless Lies, Soldiers Die.

Lie to us that ANSWER's Brian and Richard Becker aren't communists. Lie.

Clueless Lies, Soldiers Die.

Lie to us that IVAW didn't flock to the cameras at the ANSWER Pentagon march like a bunch of hollywod starlets. Lie.

Clueless Lies, Soldiers Die.

[raouldeming]

Continued...that URL ends in "Marxism101".

IVAW's leader, Camilo Mejia is a Marxist Sandanista. Read his book or his Democracy Now interview.

Treason or stupidity, either way, you and IVAW are getting soldiers killed.

[Scentless]

Good for him, he's a Marxist-like thousands, maybe millions of other people in the country. And a lot of people who support, or don't support the war are capitalists: am I supposed to dislike them because they have a different philosophical leaning, or they prefer a certain kind of economy? No, of course not. And again, the portion of your brain that discerns cause and effect must be disabled or missing, because I don't see the correlation between opposing the war and dead soldiers.

[raouldeming]

Good for him because you said Communists like him didn't exist anymore. Or did you lie? Of course you lied.

Scentless Lies Soldiers Die.

[Scentless]

When did I say that? At the same point in your imaginary history that the US had a good reason to continue the war in Iraq, and you thought up that silly mantra? "March 06th, 2008: Diary, I think this guy I've been arguing with over the evil Jew-owned Youtube said something about communists not existing anymore. And I have a new slogan, too! 'Scentless lies Soldiers Die.' I don't even need to punctuate it properly!"

I'll wait for you to blow off steam and come back to rational thinking.

[raouldeming]

Oh my, a punctuation flame.....how original. Other dweebs only use spelling flames when they are out of ideas.

[Scentless]

And people only spam mindless drivel when they're backed into a corner. But let's talk about why you're wrong, and not about your inability to string a sentence together:

Let's talk about how the administration is using war, your fears, and the threat of terrorism and stifle dissenting opinion. It's one of the steps totalitarian rulers always used to topple or weaken democracies and create more closed societies. Think about what Mussolini and Pinochet did and compare that to this administration

[raouldeming]

Mindless drivel like a puncuation flame by Clueless?

Again, I remind you that you will not impeach Bush.  Heartbreaking for you, ain't it.

Will you be able to waer that David Swanson creation, i.e.e, your "Imoeach Bush" t-shirt again after 01.20.09 without feling like a total fool?

Why do you keep puting fresh "Kerry Edwards" bumper stickers on when the old ones get faded?

[Scentless]

You're like Muhammad Ali: dodging questions like you're dancing around canvas.What's with the stereotypes? Let's talk about how the administration is intimidating it's own citizens, and arresting them for "un-american" thought crime, trumped up charges, and unproved allegations, and jailing them for years without a chance of a trial. Let's talk about how the "War on Terror" is staining our reputation, and turning America into something it was never meant to be.

[raouldeming]

LOL, you're ragging on Bush again. You lied about Bush. Bush never used water cannon, teargas or rubber bullets on people protesting him. Chavez has. Eat it.

[Scentless]

I never said he did. Are you purposely censoring parts of my posts in your head?

[TPAUSA]

BushCo's War. The Biggest Military Blunder in American History bar none.

What a fuck up!!

[daddiokng]

Someday, this mis-administration will pay for their illegal wars of aggression.

[TaintedExile]

By "they", I was referring to active military personnel in Iraq, whose presence has changed the country's social climate to the point where they have no choice but to finish the job or risk spawning a civil war by leaving.

[elfcounsul]

It's already a civil war. Iraq is an artificial nation. It was being held together by a brutal dictator. Remember what happened to Yugoslavia after Tito died. The same thing will happen to Iraq whether we are there or not. Tribal (ethnic) lines must be restored, that's just the way it is. We can't make them get along.

[raouldeming]

Dipstick, it's NOT a civil war. When the Iraq forces peel away from the government, then you can say that.

The population isn't on the insurgants' side. The bastards have to resort to terror tactics to get the civilian population to submit.

This is a three-way, us (good guys), insurgants (bad guys) and the population in the middle.

If we prvail, when we prevail, people have a chance at democracy and freedom. The other guys won't offer that.

[chicofrijoles]

At least SOME media are reporting the truth. Good job Austin Channel 8 News!! Keep up the good work. And good job I.V.A.W.!

[FattKidd]

i'm afraid, as was the case with vietnam, the soldiers are going to have to lead the anti-war march, if we're going to get any change in policy.

[ViralHaelios]

They're in too deep to get out now...

[OneoftheImmortals]

ViralHaelios, we got out of Viet Nam. We can get out of this war as well and MUST!

[OneoftheImmortals]

ViralHaelios, we got out of Viet Nam. We can get out of this war as well and MUST!