Mr J R Jayawardene Speaks to the BBC on the Indian involvement and LTTE on Sri Lanka in 1985

[nip3ful3]

GREAT MAN

[nuwank100]

We Sinhalese got the mandate to rule SL in 1948. We used it to top up the power instead of having a peacefull system. We always think that Tamil groups are demanding (could be ltte or tulf), without looking at the root issue. We should at least look at the system in Pak and India to share the basic powers to regions.

[thusharasampath]

Great person and a great speach. Hon J. R. emphasises that this is not an ethnic problem which is the first thing we would have shown to the world.

[ambien247]

J.R jayawadene is a disgrace to the whole nation

[Chamath5]

kalakaniya speaking

[malumalumalu]

except for his policy towards the tamil issue, JR was a great president. A juggernaut of the UNP and a powerful leader who made many great accomplishments particularly in the economic sphere.

[MegaContented]

LTTE was nursed and breast fed by India , Then adopted and used by the British and the US.

Arms dealers love wars, then US had plans to use them to torpido India any time they need them.

Now LTTE is no more Srilankans should get their act together and move forward.

They shouldn't kiss British butts, like most tamil coolies have been brainlessly doing over the years.

[nirmalsuki]

I think people are reading way too much into this along the party politics line. If you listen to what he says, it's obvious to all. He put it right in saying that it was not an Ethnic conflict. It's not an Ethnic conflict. If it was one, there'd be mass scale killings of minorities, and so much more violence. (massacres like in Rwanda) It was a war against an armed terrorist outfit, which is now thankfully over for the most part.

[sonofthedestroyer]

This man JR not only gave voters list to Sinhala thugs to kill tamil people in 1983, he even famously quoted 'If i starve the tamils, the sinhalese will be happy'

[goonewj]

Hi Vidhura,

I think I agree with Palitha. Whatever the outcome is, JR is part of our history. The first Executive President. Thanks for preserving the clip and sharing !!

Cheers

Jude

[Dr196903]

Hi Jude,

Thanks for your appreciation.

I think after 1977 where UNP got an unprecedented 5/6 power made a huge impact on our political map. TULF became the opposition and that paved the way to seeds of separation. Amirthalingam was a man with a view of Prabhakaran.

The global politics were very different to now so JR had a tough time, at least this is my understanding, partly due to his sidelining with the duplicitous western world and alienating the countries more closer to us.

Regards

Vidhura

[palithabatu]

Dear Vidura,

You are correct J R had no option but to alianate India totally but Why?, since india was harbouring the LTTE at that time, not only that they trained them, and had training camps.

J R was more shrewd, it was J R and Praba who were in the ring first and Rajiv was the umpire. J R changed that stance and instead got Rajiv into the ring with Prabha and JR became the umpire.

But I still stand on what I said "you cannot compare 80's with present.

rgds

Palitha

[fair7deal]

Palitha,

You made a good point.

J R was more shrewd.

'Shrewd' means a mind of deceitful and cunning practices; tricky.

What gain did JR make out of his shrewdness? The results speak, Praba gained more international recognition as a freedom fighter.

On what basis are you reluctant to compare 80's with present?

Lakshan

[fair7deal]

Vidura, Your comment Amirthalingam was a man with a view of Prabhakaran. Chelvanayakam-Vaddukoddai Resolution-Amirthalingam! Source came from Indian separatism politics. 1962 C.N.Annadurai demanded independent Tamil Nadu for Tamils, where he hailed from Telugus (Kalinga) like Magha/ Vijaya. (not an original Tamil) watch?v=IP033MEli7s Can someone comment on Senanayake-Chelvanayakam Pact in en wikipedia org wiki S.J.V._Chelvanayakam Lakshan

[fair7deal]

Did he practice against what he preach?

That is the problem. Check the results..

A tree is judged by it's fruits!

I hope, India learned their lesson, when Rajeev Gandhi was assassinated by LTTE.

US and UK will learn the same by their SOBs.

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We appreciate honesty.

Do what you say, and say what you do!

[Dr196903]

Hello Lakshan,

Thanks for your comment and the point.

Since 1987 Jayawardene had to face the pressure from India when R Gandhi/India dropped food parcels in the North (intrusion).

Jayawardene was of the view to go for war with India but his advisors' said not to do so. As a result of that Jayawardene was forced to sign a peace accord with Gandhi and the rest of the stuff is history.

Unlike Manmohan, R Gandhi wanted to make SL the 26th state. That is my understanding.

Regards

Vidhura

[fair7deal]

Hi Vidhura, Thanks for you reply.

I remember the past.

J.R. did understand the problem, but he was not honest to act on it.

Even in current LTTE defeat, the pressure was and is there. See, how it is handled now.

If he thought of war against India, he must have being short-sighted.

My key emphasis is honesty!

JR reversed our country in all forms.

exec.president, open trade, 83 conflict/J.Library, Indu-SL packet, Sirimawo political rights, active violent approach of JVP, etc.

[palithabatu]

I do not think that you can compare the events in 80's and now.

In the 80's only a few countries were facing Terrorism, and the western nations were supporting the Terrorist organizations with arms and funds.

Now the whole world is facing the threat, including the super powers.

This situation today gave us the ideal platform to go for war and crush the LTTE.

This time India never intervened, since you know the incident in Mumbai just a few months ago.

The whole world is against terrorism

[fair7deal]

Super power war pets (SOBs) is a different argument.

They continued war, condemning the enemy (eg Nazy) in history.

From 80's to now, obviously politics change.

I echo my key emphasis at HONESTY, in defeating terrorism.

You can compare on that basis.

Can you guarantee, the whole world is against terrorism, now? I doubt it.

Even if your argument is true, name a country, who successfully defeated terrorism, in the last 5 years.

Remember, LTTE was world #1 terrorists.

[Dr196903]

Hi Lakshan,

LTTE had to be defeated in a manner that was conducive to Lanka (Ranil made a blunder by betraying the country and he will never ever be a president in Lanka), JR neither have any help from the western countries (as always due to their duplicity) nor from China due to his economic policies.

Our main allies in defeating the LTTE are China & Russia without them we would have struggled. This is due to Pre. Mahinda's policy on Non-alignment.

Am I wrong?

Thanks

Vidhura

[fair7deal]

hi Vidhura,

Have you heard our Sri Lankan idiom "Natanna Beri Polawa Edai Wage Kiyala", English meaning, when someone is incapable of dancing, he/she give excuses like defected surfaces to cover-up his/her weakness.

With reference to your comment, JR did not make any friend (alliance), who help us in need!

Look my friend, LTTE also had a socialist/communist background and called themselves as freedom fighters. Check their flag.

It is the leadership personality that made the change!

[Dr196903]

Dear Palitha,

I cannot agree more on your analysis. JR had a bitter pill to swallow in the 80s in trying to appease the western world, he didn't have friends from the East.

Thanks for your comment.

Regards

Vidhura

[Dr196903]

I don't deny on the open economy, 83 conflict etc. which are absolutely correct.

However, the present global set up is totally different to that of Jayawardene had in the 80s. He didn't have friends such as China or Iran and he was basically following capitalism. So he could not have waged a war unlike President Mahinda. The difference in present situation is Pre. Mahinda has the backing of China, and the whole world is now on a 'war on terror' movement.

(I'm not talking of western duplicity).

[fair7deal]

Vidhura, please refer to my answer and the challenge given to (palithabatu).

Why did J.R. fail to design the background for SL? Should have been his duty as a leader.

What difference in economic trend (capitalism) in SL compared to now and 80s? same

Such comforting excuses made the country suffer. Even made problems worse, same as deeds of his nephew-Ranil.

Bad judgement and dishonesty!

Good leaders face any pressure.

If there is a will, there is a way!

Why give excuses?

[Dr196903]

Lakshan,

I am not honestly trying to find excuses. It is true that the global politics have changed since 09/11/2001 as I mentioned before and Mahinda's stance as a Non-aligned leader made it clear for the victory, and as I said was largely due to China and Russia whom had a veto in UN.

Unlike Mahinda JR was always western-lenient and never wanted to take on them.

Its not dishonesty it is called party politics as we know (which was detrimental to SL, I agree). Thanks for your points.

[fair7deal]

I understand your argument on environmental factors. I stand that personality made the change.

1. Are you suggesting UN veto made us defeat LTTE and it's leadership?

2. There have always being a cold-war between Russia(Veto) and US/UK

3. Mahinda is a leader; JR was a follower

No one raped (forced) JR to be western-lenient. That was his vision and free-will.

4. Party politics are meant to favour SL. Dishonesty, suggests otherwise.

[Dr196903]

Lakshan,

1. UN veto made a significant impact on top of Mahinda's determination to defeat the LTTE

2.Yes, Mahinda's non-aliance on US/UK has fetched Russian and China support

3. Mahinda has certainly been a leader in the post year 2000. Remember JR represented the UNP (the right wing- capitalist idealism) which goes west-lenient since the inception of the party in 1946 as a fact.

4.Party politics does not mean favouring SL always (prime example CBK and Mahinda).

In this case CBK is dishonest

[fair7deal]

Vidhura,

1. JR failed to benefit from UN veto!

2. Let I may suggest, it was US/UK alliance with LTTE Terrorists (SOBs). SL was open to everyone, on this matter.

3. My comment was about leader-follower

4. Disagree on your MEANT comment;

Do no confuse meant with practiced.

Party politics represent parliamentary democracy. Meant to debate favouring SL, not sacrifice SL in seek power (Eg: Ranil).

Perfect democracy,

watch?v=lE9-VZPBv04

Mahinda favoured SL in defeating terrorism!

[nirmalsuki]

@Dr196903 Are you implying that Mahinda Maama is honest? I am laughing so much that my anal sphincter hurts.

[maxelldemon]

"Unlike Mahinda JR was always Western-lenient and never wanted to take on them"

I totally agree JR was never like Mahinda. But he never was a blind follower of the west either. When the US was about to declare sanctions on Japan it was JR who took Japans side but with facts and logical reasoning to back him unlike Mahinda who always seem to have only downright rudeness for the West.

I hope Mahinda too drew from JR who could be both flexible as well as tough when it was in order.

[Dann3200]

@maxelldemon Totally agree with U.