pc@TheMasterofganja pc's use intel and amd's ect! a intel cpu in a mac or a pc is the same and therefore made at the same place! the only difference is the coding!
I have two MacBooks. One is three years old the other is five. The older one especially has been dropped, kicked, sat on spilled on jumped on, have 60 pound dogs knock them to the ground etc. The only thing that has gone wrong on the five year old machine is the cooling fans and I had a minor track pad issue on my 3 year old machine. I’m not exactly sure what (if anything) apple dose differently in the hardware depart. but my machines have proven themselves to me in spades I love my Mac.
I am simply amazed at how many people think that Apple makes all the components inside every Mac. It really tells you a lot about consumers and their mentality when they blindly follow a brand.
I think what people mean by "Make there own hardware" is that the hardware they use is optimized to run the OS, therefore Apple is controlling the hardware that is going into there machines which gives an all around better experience. Also, if you think that a 500 dollar notebook has the same hardware as a MacBook Pro then you are mistaken. The reason PCs can be so cheap is that they use off brand Korean "shit parts." I will never buy a bargain computer, ever, Mac or Pc.
macs are computers with premium pricetag, they use same components that have been distributed to other companies, what i do have to say good about apple is their customer service, my mbp broke: got a new one off from the shelf, and all data also was recovered, i custom built PC:s myself With macs you only get 1 year warranty by default, if you custom build you can get warranties up to lifetime(ram) motherboards typical 5 Years, etc: only reason to get a mac for me, was the convinience.
And about Apple, you're wrong. Apple is a different company. Of course they're in it to make money and I don't defend their prices but they are setting higher standards than other random companies.
And again, you're comparing consumer products to workstations. Whats the point of that, seriously? Why do you have to mention that your system is faster with Premiere CS5 than a Mac Pro ? The Mac Pro is a different machine, at least better build than yours...
To go on. In general, it can be said that the quality of Macs (not even mentioning software here) is higher than of a random PC. You have the knowledge of what PC hardware is shit and what isn't, but there exists A LOT of junk in the PC industry. A random average PC is of lower quality than a Mac. Fact.
About RAM modules for example, Kingston KTA modules are tested for Macs and although the same as ValueRAM they are garanteed to work, thus garanteeing the higher price.
Adobepc, nobody ever claimed that the same specs in Macs are higher quality than that same specs in PCs. But that doesn't make Macs and PCs the same, and doesn't mean in general they're of the same quality.
Fact is, Apple doesn't make their own hardware, but they do design the cases and use hardware that fits. They put together pieces that work with each other and often parts of made specially for Macs. The motherboards in the MacBooks for example.
Really adobePC you removed my comment, is it because i was completely right that you had to remove it so others did not see how much of a dumb ass you are.. as i was saying I agree with you that the harddrives, ram, and Intel chips are the same no matter what computer you do buy. But where apple shines is how they implement them. There screens, casings, displays, trackpads, batterys and so on, all are engineered to a better quality computer than the other manufactures.
You make some very valid points. Of course all manufacturers share the same vendor parts. The main difference is Apple employ manufacture with stringent QC and also make their OS, so the whole process has better control than Microsoft having to make Windows work with thousands of different manufacturer parts, which is a hard task. But, I do have to agree some of your points are spot on. Great video.
Another example is the new 27 in iMac with a i7 Quad and even the older one had a Resolution of 2560 by 1440 (ABOVE HD) It also has an IPS Panel which is the best in the market. Apple has a deal with LG in making these panels. So yeah they could have some connections. Still that doesn't mean that all their parts are better then the parts used in PCs. I just think that Apple has a very good stringent testing and QA department than less expensive brands.
I still think Apple has minor connections with computer part manufacturers, for example nVidia talked to Apple about Ion before they even announced it. The 9400m which was the Ion Chip was primary thought to be used for small or portable desktops because it had 16 CUDA cores which was a breakthrough in Integrated graphics but apple said to nVidia "can we use them on laptops?" I think that pretty much inspired nVidia to use the same Ion 1 and 2 Gen Chips on Netbooks.
@RollingOnThrough Look, I'm responding to people that respond to me. As for my purchases, I'm perfectly happy with what I have bought and can afford to buy more.
@sc0pl355 I have the gt 240 with gddr5 on my old pc,im well aware of its performace & it sits close to a 9600gt in terms of gaming ie its not meant to crush a gtx 460 in that respect,do u think that's why adobepc bought it? No!!!
The reason he bought it is for its performance with the mercury engine in cs5 which if you look at the link he provided does just as well if not better than some of the latest top of the line cards if u looked at the link u'd know why. Next time do ur research properly.
@codebean "do u think that's why adobepc bought it? No!!!"
He bought it because it is cheap. Sure, it performs THAT ONE TASK *as well as* the other cards, but it would buckle on other tasks that require more oumph in the GPU department.
I don't recall saying anything other than that. Would you mind quoting me stating otherwise? No? Then you can STFU.
In actuality, Mac users seem to be so caught up in the illusions that they have created over computing products that they are axiomatically opposed to any contradictory evidence with little regards to the validity of one's claims. In addition, they fail to notice the glaring truth that Macs are personal computers.
After many failed attempts to reason with Mac fanboys in a civil manner, I set up this account as a sort of sociological experiment to see how Apple fanboys would respond to blatantly harsh criticism. So far, they have yet to offer a single advantage or logical consistency that would, in any way, justify the excessive costs of an Apple computer.
@NightmaresBeginning In the final analysis fanboys buy their macs as a fashion statement. If you you own one you're part of the in-crowd; if you don't you're not. All the other reasons they give for buying their mac, whether true or not, are not the primary reason for buying them. In a book I read once about winning debates it said: The first rule in dealing with a fanatic is don't.
Excellent video. You certainly pointed out all of the ill-supported claims concerning hardware that Mac users generally advocate to quell buyer's remorse and claim a false sense of superiority over commercial PC users. Although, I would hazard a guess that this will do little to change the minds of Apple fanboys. After all, they are called fanboys for a reason.
@sc0pl355 i just press the brightness up and down button on my laptop to change it?? what your point?
i am not sure what you are saying about storage? we have an ssd option too? pretty much anything you can get we can get; but we can upgrade every component when we feel like it?
out of style....... really........ you had to make yourself seem like a hipster
Well said, it's stupid to think that Apple somehow has a "better" GTX 285. If it's the same card it's the same card. That Apple logo doesn't add any performance boost.
as far as i know, every mac I've looked into has very crappy generic hardware, now that might work for most iMac users, but they're really just toys..
the only computer i'de consider from apple is their pro line, but even then, their limited options, OS10 and ridiculous pricing comes into mind to any experienced hardware tech.
I agree with this vid... however there is one thing im wondering about...
You held up a GT240, yet those cards are not supported for the MPE in CS5. Only the GTX 284 and 470 (along with the higher end Quadro's) are supported.
@ShepperdOneill Hmph, he neglected to mention that the Mac Pro had a GTX 285 option when his card came out not to mention the two quadros that are still available on Apple's site. He also lied his ass off over the child labor thing and clearly doesn't understand that contracting the same company to assemble your wares yields different results depending on what you are willing to pay.
Apple's reputation for build quality can't even be disputed even outside of the apple fanbase. Bullshit video.
I stated they do not offer the inexpensive Nvidia GT 240. At one time Apple offer the GTX 285 but not now. Who cares? The Quadro cards are the more expensive cards for professionals. I did not say you could not spend $3000.00 on a Mac Pro to get a Quadro series card you idiot. The key point is that spending more money does not always yield better results. THe GT 240 can be bought for $80.00 the Quadro series can not. Apple should offer the GT 240 but they do not. Deal with it.
It isn't up to apple as to whether or not a gt 240 is available for their machines or not. That decision is totally up to nvidia and the manufacturers.
Also WHY should they offer the gt 240 when the cards that they have in the base Mac pro are way more powerful? You found ONE roundabout use for that card, but you need to look at the scores the present cards get.
Apple can do what they want but my point is valid dude. A $900.00 PC has the potential to out perform a $2400.00 Mac Pro. I don't care if Apple uses Nvidia or not. Do you understand what I am saying in this video?
@adobePC looking at your videocard, you're outperforming much, bro.
Also, like I said months and months ago. you clearly do not understand the purpose of a workstation, which is what the Mac Pro is. It's purpose is to perform a task without failing or waning.
In your video, you are claiming that, because Apple has their computers assembled by x contractor then it is not better than any other computer assembled by that contractor, which is utter bullshit.
@sc0pl355 "It's purpose is to perform a task without failing or waning." What he is saying is that Apple uses the same hardware as everyone else, minus the case of course. Since they use the same hardware, that means they too are designed to perform well and not fail.
@frostyfireman Look, if you look inside of a Mac, you'd see that they are VERY different from your average PC. For starters, there are typically fewer cords. Secondly, they have to use custom logicboards that are specifically designed to fit within their custom enclosures. They also use smaller, more expensive, versions of many components to fit into said enclosures. Doing that and keeping performance up is daunting.
Apple is leading in the formfactors/categories, that they compete in.
@sc0pl355 If Apple uses something in their products it's either because it's cheaper and thus increases their profit or to make it incompatible with non-Apple add-ons, which forces you to buy their higher prices accessories and again increases their profits.
@MrMobilePerformance "If Apple uses something in their products it's either because it's cheaper"
Suuuuuuuure, because using MOBILITY GPU's in Desktop computers is cheaper... Despite the fact that mobility GPU's cost 2-4x as much as a desktop card. Using custom logicboards is waaay cheaper too... despite the fact that they are NOT cheaper.
"or to make it incompatible with non-Apple add-ons"
@sc0pl355 Their Motherboards are different shapes because they use completely non-standardized designs, but they still have all the same basic chips on the boards and are built to the same quality assurance as the rest of the foxxcon products. Basically every part that may seem unique to apple is simply because they are laptop parts in a desktop, or they have a different enclosure giving the illusion that they are different.
@frostyfireman "Their Motherboards are different shapes because they use completely non-standardized design"
Yup. I already said that.
"but they still have all the same basic chips on the boards and are built to the same quality assurance as the rest of the foxxcon products."
Um, Apple uses Foxconn to make their Mac Mini and iPod products. They have two other manufacturers that they deal with. Quanta and Asustek. Look it up.
"Basically every part that may seem unique to apple is simply because they are laptop parts in a desktop"
Actually, that does not conflict with ANYTHING that I said.
I was talking about Apple making certain design choices which makes their build-quality better. Build quality is the fit, finish and parts chosen to use in a computer.
Mobility components cost MUCH MORE than their desktop counterparts. If you're trying to be cheap, would you use those?
@sn0le "Because desktop parts produce more heat, and use more power."
They also take up more space. But, I recall that the Dell XPS ONE may have had a desktop GPU. It definitely had a desktop CPU when the iMac was using a mobility CPU.
"It also means laptop performance in a desktop."
Well, looking at the performance of the iMac, it doesn't perform poorly. I mean, guys were running crysis on those things with mobility HD2400's under the hood.
You are saying Foxconn does have crack whores building and designing the PC parts while college graduates build and design the Apple products.You are an idiot if you don't think Asus, MSI and Gigabyte make good products. What about the iMac, the iPhone the Mac Mini. Are those workstations you stupid asshole? Are they of of better quality? The Mac Pro is not some super computer designed by God you idiot. You are bat shit crazy and hopeless asshole.
@adobePC "You are saying Foxconn does have crack whores building and designing the PC parts while college graduates build and design the Apple products."
I never said that, dumbass.
"You are an idiot if you don't think Asus, MSI and Gigabyte make good products"
@adobePC "What about the iMac, the iPhone the Mac Mini." What about them? "Are those workstations" iMac= Best in class All-In-One iPhone= top of class Smartphone Mac Mini= Top of class Mini PC "Are they of of better quality?" Looking at the competition? Yup "The Mac Pro is not some super computer designed by God" I never said that dumbass. However It is incorrect to compare it to a generic tower PC. BTW, you're the crazy one that is accusing me of saying things that I never said.
Really? I feel my blackberry is a better smartphone than the iphone. Where are the facts backing up that they're the top of class anyway? Based on your opinion?
@Trusselz I said top of class, not best of class. There's a difference.
Anyhow, if you want to see some facts to back up my claim. simply look up the present US smartphone marketshare.
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See how iOS has 27.9% of the share? That's all JUST from the iPhone. See how RIM has 27.4%? See Android's numbers? Android is on several handsets from several manufacturers.
@sc0pl355 Why can't Apple give consumers a choice of video cards? Let the buyer decide if he wants to shell out for a low, medium or high-end graphics card. I mean "Come on.". Touting the 330M as next generation graphics, totally ignoring the 400 series is ridiculous.
Because that's the job of the videocard manufacturers as well as ATI and Nvidia, not Apple. Evga makes cards for the Mac, Apple doesn't make them nor does Apple tell Evga what cards to make or not make available.
It is Nvidia and ATI's job to make drivers and firmware that is compatible with Macs. That isn't on Apple.
@sc0pl355 Somehow I can't believe that when Apple says to Nvidia: Hey, we wanna buy a hundred thousand of your cards for our computers, that Nvidia won't provide the drivers for them.
@bigkid666999 To a point, but Apple doesn't make gambles like that. When they buy product, they expect to sell it. So they only buy what they expect to sell.
Nvidia isn't going to make drivers for every card under the sun to run on Macs. Especially since only one Mac Model takes a regular videocard and it doesn't look like that will change anytime soon.
So, they try to provide an ok cross section of cards. But as of late, Nvidia has fallen out of grace with Apple, it seems.
@sc0pl355 No you need to understand that its Apple's fault for not making proper drivers, because their graphical engine is great for Applications and Normal use, but when you come to Mac Gaming LOL. Which is coming slowly since the release of steam Apple needs to make a better GUI like Direct X if they want to insure entertainment.
@yzak100 Ah yes, the ever needed... eh... entertainment insurance...
Well, Mac gaming started making a recovery long before Steam came along.
I disagree about your point about the... eh... GUI (I think you mean API)...
I think that, if Apple wants to get serious about gaming, they should fund and publish some exclusives... GOOD exclusives. Tho the company is not known for having an appreciation hard core gamers. Generally, gaming can be an unprofitable market.
@sc0pl355 Yeah their crappy API that's made of an old ass version of Open GL, seriously? What do you expect nVidia to do? tell their crackwhores to work at the directx cards? while some educated people make drivers for their apple cards? Apple wants everything specially made for them, well nVidia doesn't give a shit. and about Mac Gaming making a recovery? You mean Blizzard? because all I remember playing on my mac was Starcraft, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, WoW, Starcraft 2.
2) what is your and adobepc's fixation on crackwhores?
3) OpenGL...apple wants things specially made for them... OpenGL is an open standard... Does not compute... Beepboop
4) oh boy do I really have to list the non valve games that hit the Mac? DA:O, bioshock, cod 2 and 4, eve online a few other games. Let me go look it up.
@sc0pl355 And Your a fucking retard, Apple wrote its own 3D API BASED off elements of OpenGL, but most of what they use now is their own. So it isn't open gl its a custom version of open gl with a OLD open GL engine. Who the fuck would even brother writing drivers specially for apple? and why would many game developers even brother making games on a shity API when they got Direct X. Blizzard makes games for macs because they have a monopoly theory, and Valve did it because they use macs.
@sc0pl355 First of all Open GL is great, the Apple API is not so I am sure Carmack would agree. Second of all, Spelling are you serious? its called the Internet Buddy. Third of all Blizzard DOES have a monopoly theory, why do you think they use low system requirements in all there games? they want everyone to play it DUH.
@sc0pl355 About the crackwhore part, yeah I should have explained it better. What both I and Adobe PC mean is that Apple isn't treated like royalty when it comes to nVidia or any other vendor. It isn't like apple gets 100% good parts, Apple has had lemons. nVidia is not going to make better drivers for apple simply because they have a crappy API and have better things to do in DirectX
@sc0pl355 Finally about how this all started, the Graphic Driver issue that has effected Gaming on the mac. You know its apple's fault because they just fixed them on the Snow Leopard 10.6.5 update, and yes all macs use mobility chips because most of the iMac's cannot fit a full size GPU, maybe the 27 one could buts its just bad engineering and YOU'RE a FANBOY happy? I am a Mac User BTW and I know the flaws that Apple has, though they make good products they screw up sometimes.
@yzak100 "the Graphic Driver issue that has effected [sic] Gaming on the mac."
No, gaming on the Mac has been AFFECTED by lack of interest from the mainstream development community.
" all macs use mobility chips"
This shit again? Quote me stating otherwise or STFU.
"its just bad engineering"
Um, no it's not bad engineering. That's like saying that an iPad, iPod or iPhone is poorly engineered because it doesn't have a set of harman kardon soundsticks II installed as it's sound system.
Not as extensive as what's available in windows, but miles better than it was in 2006.
Incidentally, when steam came out for the Mac, I was pissed because most of the games available for it were already available for the Mac. Oh yeah, and I hate valve.
@sc0pl355 Are you serious about this? wow seriously who the hell would buy old ass games for 60 bucks each, I know about the Mac Ports that EA and other Manufacturers have done but seriously? The only games people know off that play on macs are Blizzard games, and recently Valve. About the crackwhore part, apple ALWAYS puts restrictions of their products example iOS, that's why people JAILBREAK. Also APPLE ALWAYS uses Mobility chips in all their computers beside the mac pros. Your a fan boy.
The point is that OSX did have some games before Steam came around. Also, I never claimed that the prices were great. Just that Mac Gaming was recovering before Valve arrived on the scene. In fact, that's why Valve came on board. The gaming atmosphere on the platform was improving.
"The only games people know off that play on macs are Blizzard games, and recently Valve."
Umm, Bioshock, Modern Warfare, SW: TFU, Brothers in arms and Civilization were made by Blizzard?
Because the GT 240 had good benchmarks. The hack works very well. It is not realy a hack but extra info you have to add for PP CS5 to recognize your graphics card.
Great video. So (in general) NVIDIA cards are better than ATI cards for Premiere Pro? That's good to know. I'll have to check on what's better for Final Cut Pro.
Just use the card you have now. No need to down grade to the GT 240. It will not hurt anything. A GT 240 with DDR5 RAM offers the best bang for the buck right now but your card would have a tad bit better performance than the GT 240 when using PP CS5. The Mercury Playback Engine will improve over time making your card out shine the GT 240 in the not so distant future. The GT 240 cards can kick some ass though.
Thanks. I wasn't too sure. I should go read about the Mercury Playback engine a bit more than the quick skim I did lol. I didn't read too much in it or look at comparable stats of how they work. For so long it was all CPU though. Now people are wising up and realizing the GPU can outshine any CPU out there now with this type of work.
You're right on that, adobe. Foxconn makes probably 8 of every 10 motherboards out there, so even an ASUS, or Gigabyte or MSI board you see, chances are Foxconn made it.
Same with MSI for GPU's. They make the GPU's for most of the other vendors and I think; about the same 80% just about of GPU's made, MSI actually makes.
@KeibearsProperty Actually Gigabyte, MSI and Asus have their own manufacturing plants in Asia. I really doubt a tier 1 manufacturer will have another tier 1 manufacturer make their motherboards. MSI does not make Gigabyte GPUs, Foxconn doesnt make Asus motherboards.
Now Foxconn MAY make the capacitors Gigabyte and Asus uses, but they do not manufacture the whole board like you think.
Well said "adobePC." All companies make mistakes and are not perfect and as a result produce lemons. I'm a Mac user and prefer Mac OS X to Windows (although Windows 7 is really nice) and really hate when "fanboys" spew out crap. I've had many PCs, and to be honest I appreciate the way Apple Inc. put their systems together. There're nicely thought out while still using the same parts as PCs, but I've also seen impressive examples from Dell and HP as well.
Apple uses three manufacturers, Foxconn, Quanta and Asustek.
Foxconn assembles Apple's iPods and iPhones.
ALSO interestingly enough, regardless of WHAT manufacturer Apple uses to make their devices, it is obvious that their logicboards are *not* off the shelf components.
It is true that Apple doesn't make their own hardware. They design the hardware and decide what components go into the machine. For instance, they use WD Caviar Black hard drives in their iMac. WD makes other HD's, you know.
Do you think your Western Digital hard drive was made by college graduates and mine was made by the crack whores? You should watch my video again because you still don't get it.
@adobePC "Do you think your Western Digital hard drive was made by college graduates and mine was made by the crack whores?"
When the fuck did I say that, jackass? If anything, RAM and Hard Drives re the cheapest components in a computer. I think a Caviar Black is better than some other WD hard drives. they aren't all the same.
"You should watch my video again because you still don't get it."
Western Digital, Intel Asus and all other vendors put a lot of time and effort into making sure all their parts are of high quality. Some parts may have better benchmarks but they are all made by the same crack whores, ha ha ha : )
@adobePC "Western Digital, Intel Asus and all other vendors put a lot of time and effort into making sure all their parts are of high quality"
And Apple puts a lot of time an energy into picking the *right* parts to go into their machines.
"Some parts may have better benchmarks but they are all made by the same crack whores"
What the hell? Why do you keep saying that? I never claimed that anything was made by crack whores. So, you're not being witty or clever by saying that as though I did.
@ReadWriteAccess 32 mb cache hard drives with up to about 2 tb of storage as a standard in a CONSUMER computer is very nice dude. Not to mention the 256gb ssd + hd option.
@sc0pl355 But your missing the topic. Apple HW is the same as PC HW.
Except we can pick and choose our HW, I don't need the CEO of a company telling me what HW I should use *cough* Intel , through commercials and "Keynote" the Power Point names envy . That's my Power Point, what's your key "note" ?
Are you implying that Mac users do not choose the computer that buy?
"Intel"
Umm, What's wrong with Intel? I certainly don't want AMD and PPC is in the past.
"Keynote"
Ok, what's wrong with Keynote now? You know you can get powerpoint if you MUST have it, tho I freaking hate its existence for making my work more difficult, which is a long story.
@sc0pl355 "Are you implying that Mac users do not choose the computer that buy?"
No. I'm implying that you can never fully custom build a computer running OSX legally. Cause you have to buy a cookie cut option from Apple. That is what I was saying ... not implying.
@sc0pl355 When he referred to HW he mentioned intel & amd referring to HW INSIDE THE PC. Your comprehension skills are obviously very poor you might want to brush up on them for next time when you decide to comment.
No none cares what you want, the point that rwa was making is apple users don't have that luxury of being able to choose what HW goes into their machine.
@codebean "When he referred to HW he mentioned intel & amd referring to HW INSIDE THE PC."
I already knew that dingus.
"Your comprehension skills are obviously very poor"
Actually, your comprehension skills are poor. I already knew that he was talking about hardware INSIDE THE PC. I wanted to know WHY having AMD processors as an option is even important or relevant considering that AMD has been trailing Intel for YEARS now.
That's not just what *I* want. What is the advantage of AMD in 2010?
@sc0pl355 "r you implying that Mac users do not choose the computer that buy?"
Has nothing to with wanting to know about AMD vs INTEL as u insist, that comment implies that u were thinking he meant something than other what u insist ie u failed to comprehend what he said
u clearly missed the point its not what ppl want or don't want its the fact you don't have that luxury as there is an advantage in using amd. There is also an advantage to choosing what hw goes in ur computer don't you agree?
@sc0pl355 Jumping off a cliff has no advantage which is why i brought up the next sentence you quoted me saying that there is an advantage to using amd & if u don't understand what advantage amd has then you truely are the one who is a dingus.
@codebean "you quoted me saying that there is an advantage to using amd"you quoted me saying that there is an advantage to using amd
The only thing that I see that AMD has is that it is cheap and they had a reputation for reliability. You know what? PPC was more reliable than AMD and Intel COMBINED. Everything else about AMD is a joke. They've trailed so far behind, they are barely a contender.
That's why their processors have been relegated to eek out an existence on bargain basement rigs.
Since when did I say that Asustek only makes components for Apple? Never! What should Apple do? Go get components from a company that has no other clients?
They tried that shit with IBM and it cost them so much money. Damn.
That is great that Quanta makes parts for other OEMs but it does not help your argument. My point is that that AsusTek, Intel, Kingston, Western Digital and all other computer manufactures make good products although they also produce a few lemons (faulty products). Learn to deal with it asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"My point is that that AsusTek, Intel, Kingston, Western Digital and all other computer manufactures make good products although they also produce a few lemons (faulty products)."
And I never said that they didn't make good products.
This may come as a shocker to you, but I can appreciate other computer tech that isn't affiliated with Apple. Hell, I wanted to get an SGI box back in the day.
Then stop stating Apple has better qualitry products you idiot. They use the same parts designed and engineered by the same people, end of story. There was no need for you to start picking fight with everyone.
Your only response should have been Asus makes good products for both Mac and PC.
@adobePC "Then stop stating Apple has better qualitry products"
My opinion is that their products ARE of a better quality, dumbass. Ever heard of an opinion?
"They use the same parts designed and engineered by the same people"
First off, Apple, Dell, HP and so on have engineers that make design decisions that largely affect the outcome of the final product. Foxconn doesn't decide what parts or features go into the next iPhone. They just assemble it from the parts Apple ships to them.
The engineering and quality control for Foxconn and Asus is the same for the PC vendors as it is for the Apple products. That was the point of my whole video. End of story.
@adobePC "The engineering and quality control for Foxconn and Asus is the same for the PC vendors as it is for the Apple products."
As with ANY business, Foxconn and Asuse offer an array of services to a client. If you want to have a better build quality, then you can pay them for it.
If things worked the way YOU claim then ALL devices assembled by Asustek and Foxconn would have the same fit and finish as Apple's products. All Laptops would be less than 1" thick and so on.
i prefer apple laptop to dell, i have a pc that i build by my own too(dual boot osx,windows7), pc is not better than mac and mac is not better than a pc, MAC is PC just made by apple.period.
mac pro aniway is a server machine not a pc, usually mount intel mobo to support their xeon cpu and ecc ram, it shouldnt be compared to a pc, but to a server from dell or similar, they mount Westmere cpu now that are superior to i7(google it),2 westmare=24 virtual core, is for business not for people
For the purpose of video editing a Dell and HP system from Best Buy will work just fine as the Mac Pro if not better. Even if I did want a server systems I would opt to build my own rather than invest in a Mac Pro.
@blacksteel25 So they take a bit longer to make sure the parts are secured into the case better than most other OEMs. So they use certain materials for the cases. PC uses has a whole range of materials they can use, from steel, aluminum, acrylic, etc. Some custom case modders use wood.
@kaosum2 Hey kaosum2, as far as build quality of OEM vs OEM Apple currently seems to do a better job at it. It's not to say problems never exist. I have my own disagreements about Apple using Aluminum for a Laptop since it will not absorb dings and scratches all that well.
@sn0le AND the point is that Apple is justified in charging the price that they charge for their display and their computers that use the display which is comparable.
Dell uses an IPS display, Dell sells it for $999
Apple uses the SAME DISPLAY and sells it for the SAME PRICE as the Dell display.
@sn0le "We're discussing what parts PC's and Mac's use and the quality myth."
Without a doubt the IPS displays you mentioned are of a higher quality than the TN panel displays that are dominant in the market. I don't see how saying that Apple and Dell use this display changes that.
Let's see. Apple's entire iMac lineup has those displays built in, STANDARD, how many Dell computers come with that display as a standard?
pc@TheMasterofganja pc's use intel and amd's ect! a intel cpu in a mac or a pc is the same and therefore made at the same place! the only difference is the coding!
vivelehardcore 3 days ago
I have two MacBooks. One is three years old the other is five. The older one especially has been dropped, kicked, sat on spilled on jumped on, have 60 pound dogs knock them to the ground etc. The only thing that has gone wrong on the five year old machine is the cooling fans and I had a minor track pad issue on my 3 year old machine. I’m not exactly sure what (if anything) apple dose differently in the hardware depart. but my machines have proven themselves to me in spades I love my Mac.
Roushfan5 2 months ago
I am simply amazed at how many people think that Apple makes all the components inside every Mac. It really tells you a lot about consumers and their mentality when they blindly follow a brand.
ShepperdOneill 4 months ago
why are you not into RAIDING SSD's ? is it because of the price or somehing else?
thanks
moneybox12 6 months ago
I think what people mean by "Make there own hardware" is that the hardware they use is optimized to run the OS, therefore Apple is controlling the hardware that is going into there machines which gives an all around better experience. Also, if you think that a 500 dollar notebook has the same hardware as a MacBook Pro then you are mistaken. The reason PCs can be so cheap is that they use off brand Korean "shit parts." I will never buy a bargain computer, ever, Mac or Pc.
TheMasterofganja 7 months ago
@TheMasterofganja
Actually scopeless made a video with an article stating the superior build quality of a $600.00 laptop.
adobePC 7 months ago
macs are computers with premium pricetag, they use same components that have been distributed to other companies, what i do have to say good about apple is their customer service, my mbp broke: got a new one off from the shelf, and all data also was recovered, i custom built PC:s myself With macs you only get 1 year warranty by default, if you custom build you can get warranties up to lifetime(ram) motherboards typical 5 Years, etc: only reason to get a mac for me, was the convinience.
QualityCompare 2 months ago
@adobePC
Computers are not cars. What matters are if the circuits are correct.
wiigamer136 2 months ago
apple makes the design of the product, the software, thats about it.
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And about Apple, you're wrong. Apple is a different company. Of course they're in it to make money and I don't defend their prices but they are setting higher standards than other random companies.
And again, you're comparing consumer products to workstations. Whats the point of that, seriously? Why do you have to mention that your system is faster with Premiere CS5 than a Mac Pro ? The Mac Pro is a different machine, at least better build than yours...
svenfennema 1 year ago
To go on. In general, it can be said that the quality of Macs (not even mentioning software here) is higher than of a random PC. You have the knowledge of what PC hardware is shit and what isn't, but there exists A LOT of junk in the PC industry. A random average PC is of lower quality than a Mac. Fact.
About RAM modules for example, Kingston KTA modules are tested for Macs and although the same as ValueRAM they are garanteed to work, thus garanteeing the higher price.
svenfennema 1 year ago
@svenfennema
Macs can have RAM go bad as well as graphics card. Also some of the iMacs had serious monitor issues.
adobePC 1 year ago
@svenfennema hey macfag
enjoying your no games?
52matt85 1 year ago
@svenfennema Just throw your Mac in the bin.
JJCtheBeast 8 months ago
Adobepc, nobody ever claimed that the same specs in Macs are higher quality than that same specs in PCs. But that doesn't make Macs and PCs the same, and doesn't mean in general they're of the same quality.
Fact is, Apple doesn't make their own hardware, but they do design the cases and use hardware that fits. They put together pieces that work with each other and often parts of made specially for Macs. The motherboards in the MacBooks for example.
svenfennema 1 year ago
great video. AppleSoldier is gonna hate.
loneknight97 1 year ago
Very good video man, I agree with you 100%. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks.
adobePC 1 year ago
Excellent video, apple doesn't make magical hardware or hardware in general. I've been trying to tell that to people for so long.
k1noify 1 year ago
Mac envy never is pretty to watch ;)
MyAppleSpaceCOM 1 year ago
Great video. I missed it this week when I was heavy working. Then DarthCaboose showed a clip of this with MacWard being himself. Funny.
droadtrip 1 year ago
I sould say most other manufactures because there are some that make great quality computers, and i think apple is one of them
katpis 1 year ago
ok well i apologize for jumping the gun on blaming you.
katpis 1 year ago
@katpis
That is cool. People will respect your response.
adobePC 1 year ago
Really adobePC you removed my comment, is it because i was completely right that you had to remove it so others did not see how much of a dumb ass you are.. as i was saying I agree with you that the harddrives, ram, and Intel chips are the same no matter what computer you do buy. But where apple shines is how they implement them. There screens, casings, displays, trackpads, batterys and so on, all are engineered to a better quality computer than the other manufactures.
katpis 1 year ago
@katpis
I did not remove any comments. I never do. It is possible I delete your commment by mistake but I doubt I did dumbass.
adobePC 1 year ago
im a Mac user and i Love this video!!!
GaminOnAMac 1 year ago
@GaminOnAMac
Thanks : )
adobePC 1 year ago
EVGA FTW!
Spliffer45 1 year ago
EFI or a BIOS sorry but EFI is better for the future BIOS is way out of date
muk546 1 year ago
You make some very valid points. Of course all manufacturers share the same vendor parts. The main difference is Apple employ manufacture with stringent QC and also make their OS, so the whole process has better control than Microsoft having to make Windows work with thousands of different manufacturer parts, which is a hard task. But, I do have to agree some of your points are spot on. Great video.
davomrmac 1 year ago
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Another example is the new 27 in iMac with a i7 Quad and even the older one had a Resolution of 2560 by 1440 (ABOVE HD) It also has an IPS Panel which is the best in the market. Apple has a deal with LG in making these panels. So yeah they could have some connections. Still that doesn't mean that all their parts are better then the parts used in PCs. I just think that Apple has a very good stringent testing and QA department than less expensive brands.
yzak100 1 year ago
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I still think Apple has minor connections with computer part manufacturers, for example nVidia talked to Apple about Ion before they even announced it. The 9400m which was the Ion Chip was primary thought to be used for small or portable desktops because it had 16 CUDA cores which was a breakthrough in Integrated graphics but apple said to nVidia "can we use them on laptops?" I think that pretty much inspired nVidia to use the same Ion 1 and 2 Gen Chips on Netbooks.
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yzak100 1 year ago
Well said Adobe, Mac fanboys and AppleSoldier specifically don't know shit about computers.
Tranced438 1 year ago
@RollingOnThrough Look, I'm responding to people that respond to me. As for my purchases, I'm perfectly happy with what I have bought and can afford to buy more.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
Interesting the gt240 was faster than the other cards in tests they did due to it using ddr5.
codebean 1 year ago
@codebean Every benchmark test that I have seen, the card got crushed by anythinthing that wasn't at least mid range two years ago...
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sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 I have the gt 240 with gddr5 on my old pc,im well aware of its performace & it sits close to a 9600gt in terms of gaming ie its not meant to crush a gtx 460 in that respect,do u think that's why adobepc bought it? No!!!
The reason he bought it is for its performance with the mercury engine in cs5 which if you look at the link he provided does just as well if not better than some of the latest top of the line cards if u looked at the link u'd know why. Next time do ur research properly.
codebean 1 year ago
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@codebean "do u think that's why adobepc bought it? No!!!"
He bought it because it is cheap. Sure, it performs THAT ONE TASK *as well as* the other cards, but it would buckle on other tasks that require more oumph in the GPU department.
I don't recall saying anything other than that. Would you mind quoting me stating otherwise? No? Then you can STFU.
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katpis 1 year ago
In actuality, Mac users seem to be so caught up in the illusions that they have created over computing products that they are axiomatically opposed to any contradictory evidence with little regards to the validity of one's claims. In addition, they fail to notice the glaring truth that Macs are personal computers.
NightmaresBeginning 1 year ago
After many failed attempts to reason with Mac fanboys in a civil manner, I set up this account as a sort of sociological experiment to see how Apple fanboys would respond to blatantly harsh criticism. So far, they have yet to offer a single advantage or logical consistency that would, in any way, justify the excessive costs of an Apple computer.
NightmaresBeginning 1 year ago
@NightmaresBeginning In the final analysis fanboys buy their macs as a fashion statement. If you you own one you're part of the in-crowd; if you don't you're not. All the other reasons they give for buying their mac, whether true or not, are not the primary reason for buying them. In a book I read once about winning debates it said: The first rule in dealing with a fanatic is don't.
MrMobilePerformance 1 year ago
Excellent video. You certainly pointed out all of the ill-supported claims concerning hardware that Mac users generally advocate to quell buyer's remorse and claim a false sense of superiority over commercial PC users. Although, I would hazard a guess that this will do little to change the minds of Apple fanboys. After all, they are called fanboys for a reason.
NightmaresBeginning 1 year ago
I wonder who makes all of apple's computer parts, I know Sammy and LG make basicly every part in the iDevices.
frostyfireman 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 i just press the brightness up and down button on my laptop to change it?? what your point?
i am not sure what you are saying about storage? we have an ssd option too? pretty much anything you can get we can get; but we can upgrade every component when we feel like it?
out of style....... really........ you had to make yourself seem like a hipster
XaiosX 1 year ago
@XaiosX "i just press the brightness up and down button on my laptop to change it?? what your point?"
Kaosim was talking about how using software to adjust brightness is wrong. To adjust the brightness the way you describe requires software, bro.
"we have an ssd option too?"
Nobody in the OEM market is really trying to push SSD. There are options to get SSD, but the overwhelming majority are like: SSD? What's a SSD?
Just like SCSI all over again.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
Well said, it's stupid to think that Apple somehow has a "better" GTX 285. If it's the same card it's the same card. That Apple logo doesn't add any performance boost.
DigitalGamma 1 year ago
as far as i know, every mac I've looked into has very crappy generic hardware, now that might work for most iMac users, but they're really just toys..
the only computer i'de consider from apple is their pro line, but even then, their limited options, OS10 and ridiculous pricing comes into mind to any experienced hardware tech.
VincentX202 1 year ago
Give this man a standing ovation.
5/5
ReadWriteAccess 1 year ago
I agree with this vid... however there is one thing im wondering about...
You held up a GT240, yet those cards are not supported for the MPE in CS5. Only the GTX 284 and 470 (along with the higher end Quadro's) are supported.
Were you planning on using a hack for that card?
ShepperdOneill 1 year ago
@ShepperdOneill Hmph, he neglected to mention that the Mac Pro had a GTX 285 option when his card came out not to mention the two quadros that are still available on Apple's site. He also lied his ass off over the child labor thing and clearly doesn't understand that contracting the same company to assemble your wares yields different results depending on what you are willing to pay.
Apple's reputation for build quality can't even be disputed even outside of the apple fanbase. Bullshit video.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
I stated they do not offer the inexpensive Nvidia GT 240. At one time Apple offer the GTX 285 but not now. Who cares? The Quadro cards are the more expensive cards for professionals. I did not say you could not spend $3000.00 on a Mac Pro to get a Quadro series card you idiot. The key point is that spending more money does not always yield better results. THe GT 240 can be bought for $80.00 the Quadro series can not. Apple should offer the GT 240 but they do not. Deal with it.
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC
It isn't up to apple as to whether or not a gt 240 is available for their machines or not. That decision is totally up to nvidia and the manufacturers.
Also WHY should they offer the gt 240 when the cards that they have in the base Mac pro are way more powerful? You found ONE roundabout use for that card, but you need to look at the scores the present cards get.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
Apple can do what they want but my point is valid dude. A $900.00 PC has the potential to out perform a $2400.00 Mac Pro. I don't care if Apple uses Nvidia or not. Do you understand what I am saying in this video?
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC looking at your videocard, you're outperforming much, bro.
Also, like I said months and months ago. you clearly do not understand the purpose of a workstation, which is what the Mac Pro is. It's purpose is to perform a task without failing or waning.
In your video, you are claiming that, because Apple has their computers assembled by x contractor then it is not better than any other computer assembled by that contractor, which is utter bullshit.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 "It's purpose is to perform a task without failing or waning." What he is saying is that Apple uses the same hardware as everyone else, minus the case of course. Since they use the same hardware, that means they too are designed to perform well and not fail.
frostyfireman 1 year ago
@frostyfireman Look, if you look inside of a Mac, you'd see that they are VERY different from your average PC. For starters, there are typically fewer cords. Secondly, they have to use custom logicboards that are specifically designed to fit within their custom enclosures. They also use smaller, more expensive, versions of many components to fit into said enclosures. Doing that and keeping performance up is daunting.
Apple is leading in the formfactors/categories, that they compete in.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 If Apple uses something in their products it's either because it's cheaper and thus increases their profit or to make it incompatible with non-Apple add-ons, which forces you to buy their higher prices accessories and again increases their profits.
MrMobilePerformance 1 year ago
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@MrMobilePerformance "If Apple uses something in their products it's either because it's cheaper"
Suuuuuuuure, because using MOBILITY GPU's in Desktop computers is cheaper... Despite the fact that mobility GPU's cost 2-4x as much as a desktop card. Using custom logicboards is waaay cheaper too... despite the fact that they are NOT cheaper.
"or to make it incompatible with non-Apple add-ons"
You have no idea what you're talking about.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Their Motherboards are different shapes because they use completely non-standardized designs, but they still have all the same basic chips on the boards and are built to the same quality assurance as the rest of the foxxcon products. Basically every part that may seem unique to apple is simply because they are laptop parts in a desktop, or they have a different enclosure giving the illusion that they are different.
frostyfireman 1 year ago
@frostyfireman "Their Motherboards are different shapes because they use completely non-standardized design"
Yup. I already said that.
"but they still have all the same basic chips on the boards and are built to the same quality assurance as the rest of the foxxcon products."
Um, Apple uses Foxconn to make their Mac Mini and iPod products. They have two other manufacturers that they deal with. Quanta and Asustek. Look it up.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@frostyfireman
"Basically every part that may seem unique to apple is simply because they are laptop parts in a desktop"
Actually, that does not conflict with ANYTHING that I said.
I was talking about Apple making certain design choices which makes their build-quality better. Build quality is the fit, finish and parts chosen to use in a computer.
Mobility components cost MUCH MORE than their desktop counterparts. If you're trying to be cheap, would you use those?
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sn0le 1 year ago
@sc0pl355:
"Mobility components cost MUCH MORE than their desktop counterparts. If you're trying to be cheap, would you use those?"
Because desktop parts produce more heat, and use more power.
The iMac without a Mobility GPU wouldn't be able to be so quiet, because heat means cooling fans.
It also means laptop performance in a desktop.
I think the iMac is a good balanced machine.
They use desktop versions of the i5 and i7 so that they'll perform well.
On the graphics side, its a compromise.
sn0le 1 year ago
@sn0le "Because desktop parts produce more heat, and use more power."
They also take up more space. But, I recall that the Dell XPS ONE may have had a desktop GPU. It definitely had a desktop CPU when the iMac was using a mobility CPU.
"It also means laptop performance in a desktop."
Well, looking at the performance of the iMac, it doesn't perform poorly. I mean, guys were running crysis on those things with mobility HD2400's under the hood.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
You are saying Foxconn does have crack whores building and designing the PC parts while college graduates build and design the Apple products.You are an idiot if you don't think Asus, MSI and Gigabyte make good products. What about the iMac, the iPhone the Mac Mini. Are those workstations you stupid asshole? Are they of of better quality? The Mac Pro is not some super computer designed by God you idiot. You are bat shit crazy and hopeless asshole.
adobePC 1 year ago
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@adobePC "You are saying Foxconn does have crack whores building and designing the PC parts while college graduates build and design the Apple products."
I never said that, dumbass.
"You are an idiot if you don't think Asus, MSI and Gigabyte make good products"
I never said that EITHER dumbass.
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Trusselz 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 "Top of class"
Really? I feel my blackberry is a better smartphone than the iphone. Where are the facts backing up that they're the top of class anyway? Based on your opinion?
Trusselz 1 year ago
@Trusselz I said top of class, not best of class. There's a difference.
Anyhow, if you want to see some facts to back up my claim. simply look up the present US smartphone marketshare.
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See how iOS has 27.9% of the share? That's all JUST from the iPhone. See how RIM has 27.4%? See Android's numbers? Android is on several handsets from several manufacturers.
I could pull more charts if you'd like.
My opinion? Pssh, Joe consumer's opinion.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Why can't Apple give consumers a choice of video cards? Let the buyer decide if he wants to shell out for a low, medium or high-end graphics card. I mean "Come on.". Touting the 330M as next generation graphics, totally ignoring the 400 series is ridiculous.
MrMobilePerformance 1 year ago
@MrMobilePerformance "Why can't Apple give consumers a choice of video cards?"
Because that's the job of the videocard manufacturers as well as ATI and Nvidia, not Apple. Evga makes cards for the Mac, Apple doesn't make them nor does Apple tell Evga what cards to make or not make available.
It is Nvidia and ATI's job to make drivers and firmware that is compatible with Macs. That isn't on Apple.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Somehow I can't believe that when Apple says to Nvidia: Hey, we wanna buy a hundred thousand of your cards for our computers, that Nvidia won't provide the drivers for them.
bigkid666999 1 year ago
@bigkid666999 To a point, but Apple doesn't make gambles like that. When they buy product, they expect to sell it. So they only buy what they expect to sell.
Nvidia isn't going to make drivers for every card under the sun to run on Macs. Especially since only one Mac Model takes a regular videocard and it doesn't look like that will change anytime soon.
So, they try to provide an ok cross section of cards. But as of late, Nvidia has fallen out of grace with Apple, it seems.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 No you need to understand that its Apple's fault for not making proper drivers, because their graphical engine is great for Applications and Normal use, but when you come to Mac Gaming LOL. Which is coming slowly since the release of steam Apple needs to make a better GUI like Direct X if they want to insure entertainment.
yzak100 1 year ago
@yzak100 Ah yes, the ever needed... eh... entertainment insurance...
Well, Mac gaming started making a recovery long before Steam came along.
I disagree about your point about the... eh... GUI (I think you mean API)...
I think that, if Apple wants to get serious about gaming, they should fund and publish some exclusives... GOOD exclusives. Tho the company is not known for having an appreciation hard core gamers. Generally, gaming can be an unprofitable market.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Yeah their crappy API that's made of an old ass version of Open GL, seriously? What do you expect nVidia to do? tell their crackwhores to work at the directx cards? while some educated people make drivers for their apple cards? Apple wants everything specially made for them, well nVidia doesn't give a shit. and about Mac Gaming making a recovery? You mean Blizzard? because all I remember playing on my mac was Starcraft, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, WoW, Starcraft 2.
yzak100 1 year ago
@yzak100 Let's see...
1) nvidia supports OpenGL dude
2) what is your and adobepc's fixation on crackwhores?
3) OpenGL...apple wants things specially made for them... OpenGL is an open standard... Does not compute... Beepboop
4) oh boy do I really have to list the non valve games that hit the Mac? DA:O, bioshock, cod 2 and 4, eve online a few other games. Let me go look it up.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 And Your a fucking retard, Apple wrote its own 3D API BASED off elements of OpenGL, but most of what they use now is their own. So it isn't open gl its a custom version of open gl with a OLD open GL engine. Who the fuck would even brother writing drivers specially for apple? and why would many game developers even brother making games on a shity API when they got Direct X. Blizzard makes games for macs because they have a monopoly theory, and Valve did it because they use macs.
yzak100 1 year ago
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@yzak100 "Apple wrote its own 3D API BASED off elements of OpenGL"
That's because OpenGL is a standard specification.
Do you know that Apple is a member of the Khronos group?
"So it isn't open gl its a custom version of open gl with a OLD open GL engine."
Ok, you're a retard, I get it.
"Who the fuck would even brother writing drivers specially for apple?"
You bitch about something that isn't Apple's fault. I tell you who to bitch at. What's your problem?
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@yzak100 "and why would many game developers even brother making games on a shity API when they got Direct X."
Ask John Carmack. Be sure to call OpenGL shitty right to his face.
"Blizzard makes games for macs because they have a monopoly theory, and Valve did it because they use macs."
Wrong and wrong.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 First of all Open GL is great, the Apple API is not so I am sure Carmack would agree. Second of all, Spelling are you serious? its called the Internet Buddy. Third of all Blizzard DOES have a monopoly theory, why do you think they use low system requirements in all there games? they want everyone to play it DUH.
yzak100 1 year ago
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@yzak100 "First of all Open GL is great, the Apple API is not so I am sure Carmack would agree"
He doesn't seem to. You have proof? Oh, btw, you don't seem to know ANYTHING about OpenGL. Just my observation.
"Spelling are you serious?"
Hey, you're the one calling people "fanboy" which is a non-argument so I point out that your spelling is shit which is equally valid in an argument.
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@sc0pl355 About the crackwhore part, yeah I should have explained it better. What both I and Adobe PC mean is that Apple isn't treated like royalty when it comes to nVidia or any other vendor. It isn't like apple gets 100% good parts, Apple has had lemons. nVidia is not going to make better drivers for apple simply because they have a crappy API and have better things to do in DirectX
yzak100 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Finally about how this all started, the Graphic Driver issue that has effected Gaming on the mac. You know its apple's fault because they just fixed them on the Snow Leopard 10.6.5 update, and yes all macs use mobility chips because most of the iMac's cannot fit a full size GPU, maybe the 27 one could buts its just bad engineering and YOU'RE a FANBOY happy? I am a Mac User BTW and I know the flaws that Apple has, though they make good products they screw up sometimes.
yzak100 1 year ago
@yzak100 "the Graphic Driver issue that has effected [sic] Gaming on the mac."
No, gaming on the Mac has been AFFECTED by lack of interest from the mainstream development community.
" all macs use mobility chips"
This shit again? Quote me stating otherwise or STFU.
"its just bad engineering"
Um, no it's not bad engineering. That's like saying that an iPad, iPod or iPhone is poorly engineered because it doesn't have a set of harman kardon soundsticks II installed as it's sound system.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@yzak100 "YOU'RE a FANBOY "
YOU'RE a DUMBASS
"I am a Mac User BTW and I know the flaws that Apple has, though they make good products they screw up sometimes."
Kindly quote me stating otherwise.
Quote me saying that you weren't a Mac User?
Quote me saying that Apple products were perfect and without flaw.
Quote me saying that Apple NEVER makes mistakes.
Fucking quote me saying that shit or shut the fuck up and go fuck yourself.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@yzak100 Here you go
apple. c o m / games / articles/
Not as extensive as what's available in windows, but miles better than it was in 2006.
Incidentally, when steam came out for the Mac, I was pissed because most of the games available for it were already available for the Mac. Oh yeah, and I hate valve.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Are you serious about this? wow seriously who the hell would buy old ass games for 60 bucks each, I know about the Mac Ports that EA and other Manufacturers have done but seriously? The only games people know off that play on macs are Blizzard games, and recently Valve. About the crackwhore part, apple ALWAYS puts restrictions of their products example iOS, that's why people JAILBREAK. Also APPLE ALWAYS uses Mobility chips in all their computers beside the mac pros. Your a fan boy.
yzak100 1 year ago
@yzak100
The point is that OSX did have some games before Steam came around. Also, I never claimed that the prices were great. Just that Mac Gaming was recovering before Valve arrived on the scene. In fact, that's why Valve came on board. The gaming atmosphere on the platform was improving.
"The only games people know off that play on macs are Blizzard games, and recently Valve."
Umm, Bioshock, Modern Warfare, SW: TFU, Brothers in arms and Civilization were made by Blizzard?
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@yzak100 "About the crackwhore part, apple ALWAYS puts restrictions of their products example iOS, that's why people JAILBREAK."
That does not logically fit with anything you or Adobe PC has said in relation to yelling out crackwhores.
"APPLE ALWAYS uses Mobility chips in all their computers beside the mac pros."
Hmm, kindly quote me stating otherwise or stfu.
"Your a fan boy."
Well, at least I know the difference between youR and you'RE as well as the difference between INsure and ENsure.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@yzak100 Here we go...
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I'm just sayin, Blizzard wasn't the only developer to support the Mac. Neither is Valve.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@ShepperdOneill
Because the GT 240 had good benchmarks. The hack works very well. It is not realy a hack but extra info you have to add for PP CS5 to recognize your graphics card.
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC I had seen a few other people using the GT240 with CS5, but it required the extra info like you said.
Good to know that it works well.
ShepperdOneill 1 year ago
@ShepperdOneill YOu don't have to hack anything. All you do is add your graphics card to a text file, and voila: It's now supported.
MrMobilePerformance 1 year ago
@MrMobilePerformance Thats what I meant. I probably should have used another term rather than hack.
ShepperdOneill 1 year ago
Great video. So (in general) NVIDIA cards are better than ATI cards for Premiere Pro? That's good to know. I'll have to check on what's better for Final Cut Pro.
AlexsTechChannel 1 year ago
I have to say I agree with you on most points.
CleverNameStudios 1 year ago
Thanks ADOBEPC, Great video!!!!
edb1980 1 year ago
So if that took full advantage of my 470 with 448 CUDA cores, how fast would that render out video lol?
KeibearsProperty 1 year ago
@KeibearsProperty
I am not sure. Adobe will continue to enhance the Mercury Playback Engine.
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC
Yeah, but would it somehow run bad currently, should I get a 240 or lower level card for now? And just swap out the 470 for when I game.
My friend was asking me help him again with editing so... gonna need to buy Premiere Pro CS5 for that. Unless he's gonna supply a copy he never said.
KeibearsProperty 1 year ago
@KeibearsProperty
Just use the card you have now. No need to down grade to the GT 240. It will not hurt anything. A GT 240 with DDR5 RAM offers the best bang for the buck right now but your card would have a tad bit better performance than the GT 240 when using PP CS5. The Mercury Playback Engine will improve over time making your card out shine the GT 240 in the not so distant future. The GT 240 cards can kick some ass though.
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC
Thanks. I wasn't too sure. I should go read about the Mercury Playback engine a bit more than the quick skim I did lol. I didn't read too much in it or look at comparable stats of how they work. For so long it was all CPU though. Now people are wising up and realizing the GPU can outshine any CPU out there now with this type of work.
KeibearsProperty 1 year ago
LMFAO
watchforfinger 1 year ago
You're right on that, adobe. Foxconn makes probably 8 of every 10 motherboards out there, so even an ASUS, or Gigabyte or MSI board you see, chances are Foxconn made it.
Same with MSI for GPU's. They make the GPU's for most of the other vendors and I think; about the same 80% just about of GPU's made, MSI actually makes.
KeibearsProperty 1 year ago
@KeibearsProperty Actually Gigabyte, MSI and Asus have their own manufacturing plants in Asia. I really doubt a tier 1 manufacturer will have another tier 1 manufacturer make their motherboards. MSI does not make Gigabyte GPUs, Foxconn doesnt make Asus motherboards.
Now Foxconn MAY make the capacitors Gigabyte and Asus uses, but they do not manufacture the whole board like you think.
kaosum2 1 year ago
@kaosum2
Maybe they don't anymore. I don't know, I don't care enough to look into it.
At one time they did though.
KeibearsProperty 1 year ago
Well said "adobePC." All companies make mistakes and are not perfect and as a result produce lemons. I'm a Mac user and prefer Mac OS X to Windows (although Windows 7 is really nice) and really hate when "fanboys" spew out crap. I've had many PCs, and to be honest I appreciate the way Apple Inc. put their systems together. There're nicely thought out while still using the same parts as PCs, but I've also seen impressive examples from Dell and HP as well.
All-in-all great vid vid and keep it up.
pochoun33137 1 year ago
@TheIvanFilko
Thanks : )
adobePC 1 year ago
Great video and nicely said
oOADROo 1 year ago
@oOADROo
Thanks : )
adobePC 1 year ago
Apple uses three manufacturers, Foxconn, Quanta and Asustek.
Foxconn assembles Apple's iPods and iPhones.
ALSO interestingly enough, regardless of WHAT manufacturer Apple uses to make their devices, it is obvious that their logicboards are *not* off the shelf components.
It is true that Apple doesn't make their own hardware. They design the hardware and decide what components go into the machine. For instance, they use WD Caviar Black hard drives in their iMac. WD makes other HD's, you know.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
Do you think your Western Digital hard drive was made by college graduates and mine was made by the crack whores? You should watch my video again because you still don't get it.
adobePC 1 year ago
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@adobePC "Do you think your Western Digital hard drive was made by college graduates and mine was made by the crack whores?"
When the fuck did I say that, jackass? If anything, RAM and Hard Drives re the cheapest components in a computer. I think a Caviar Black is better than some other WD hard drives. they aren't all the same.
"You should watch my video again because you still don't get it."
I watched your shitty video plenty.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
Western Digital, Intel Asus and all other vendors put a lot of time and effort into making sure all their parts are of high quality. Some parts may have better benchmarks but they are all made by the same crack whores, ha ha ha : )
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC "Western Digital, Intel Asus and all other vendors put a lot of time and effort into making sure all their parts are of high quality"
And Apple puts a lot of time an energy into picking the *right* parts to go into their machines.
"Some parts may have better benchmarks but they are all made by the same crack whores"
What the hell? Why do you keep saying that? I never claimed that anything was made by crack whores. So, you're not being witty or clever by saying that as though I did.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Caviar Black? You consider that a good HD? I have dual 300GB Raptors in a Raid 0 config.
ReadWriteAccess 1 year ago
@ReadWriteAccess 32 mb cache hard drives with up to about 2 tb of storage as a standard in a CONSUMER computer is very nice dude. Not to mention the 256gb ssd + hd option.
But hey, how's that $500 raid 0 workin out for u?
sc0pl355 1 year ago
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sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 But your missing the topic. Apple HW is the same as PC HW.
Except we can pick and choose our HW, I don't need the CEO of a company telling me what HW I should use *cough* Intel , through commercials and "Keynote" the Power Point names envy . That's my Power Point, what's your key "note" ?
ReadWriteAccess 1 year ago
@ReadWriteAccess "Except we can pick and choose our HW"
Are you implying that Mac users do not choose the computer that buy?
"Intel"
Umm, What's wrong with Intel? I certainly don't want AMD and PPC is in the past.
"Keynote"
Ok, what's wrong with Keynote now? You know you can get powerpoint if you MUST have it, tho I freaking hate its existence for making my work more difficult, which is a long story.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
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@sc0pl355 "Are you implying that Mac users do not choose the computer that buy?"
No. I'm implying that you can never fully custom build a computer running OSX legally. Cause you have to buy a cookie cut option from Apple. That is what I was saying ... not implying.
ReadWriteAccess 1 year ago
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@ReadWriteAccess " I'm implying that you can never fully custom build a computer running OSX legally."
And?
Why is that important?
"Cause you have to buy a cookie cut option from Apple. "
And? What's wrong with that if it is my CHOICE?
I still have plenty of options and the options that I don't have tend to be options that I do not care about.
If I don't care about homebrewing and like the options that are presented, then what is wrong with that? Explain that shit.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 When he referred to HW he mentioned intel & amd referring to HW INSIDE THE PC. Your comprehension skills are obviously very poor you might want to brush up on them for next time when you decide to comment.
No none cares what you want, the point that rwa was making is apple users don't have that luxury of being able to choose what HW goes into their machine.
codebean 1 year ago
@codebean No *one
codebean 1 year ago
@codebean "When he referred to HW he mentioned intel & amd referring to HW INSIDE THE PC."
I already knew that dingus.
"Your comprehension skills are obviously very poor"
Actually, your comprehension skills are poor. I already knew that he was talking about hardware INSIDE THE PC. I wanted to know WHY having AMD processors as an option is even important or relevant considering that AMD has been trailing Intel for YEARS now.
That's not just what *I* want. What is the advantage of AMD in 2010?
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 "r you implying that Mac users do not choose the computer that buy?"
Has nothing to with wanting to know about AMD vs INTEL as u insist, that comment implies that u were thinking he meant something than other what u insist ie u failed to comprehend what he said
u clearly missed the point its not what ppl want or don't want its the fact you don't have that luxury as there is an advantage in using amd. There is also an advantage to choosing what hw goes in ur computer don't you agree?
codebean 1 year ago 2
@codebean "Has nothing to with wanting to know about AMD vs INTEL as u insist"
When I asked him that question, HE fucking brought AMD as an example of an option. Jumping off a cliff is an option too. Do you want to do that?
I caught his point just fine.
"you don't have that luxury as there is an advantage in using amd."
WHAT'S the advantage in using AMD?? Much poorer performance?
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 Jumping off a cliff has no advantage which is why i brought up the next sentence you quoted me saying that there is an advantage to using amd & if u don't understand what advantage amd has then you truely are the one who is a dingus.
codebean 1 year ago
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@codebean "you quoted me saying that there is an advantage to using amd"you quoted me saying that there is an advantage to using amd
The only thing that I see that AMD has is that it is cheap and they had a reputation for reliability. You know what? PPC was more reliable than AMD and Intel COMBINED. Everything else about AMD is a joke. They've trailed so far behind, they are barely a contender.
That's why their processors have been relegated to eek out an existence on bargain basement rigs.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355 You mean my 350 dollar raid ..it's awesome, thx for asking.
ReadWriteAccess 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
AsusTek is the same as ASUS you idiot. Asus makes motherboards for other OEMs.
adobePC 1 year ago
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@adobePC "AsusTek is the same as ASUS you idiot"
I KNOW THAT! Damn you're annoying.
"Asus makes motherboards for other OEMs."
I KNOW THAT TOO!
Since when did I say that Asustek only makes components for Apple? Never! What should Apple do? Go get components from a company that has no other clients?
They tried that shit with IBM and it cost them so much money. Damn.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@adobePC Oh, BTW, before you say anything. Quanta makes computers and components for companies other than Apple too!
The store when I bought my favorite suit SELLS clothes to people other than me as well. Some people buy better suits than mine while others do not!
Oh, and when I went to mcdonalds, I bought a big mac, but some other people bought quarter pounders while others bought from the value menu!
Yeah, I was just as surprised as you must be.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
That is great that Quanta makes parts for other OEMs but it does not help your argument. My point is that that AsusTek, Intel, Kingston, Western Digital and all other computer manufactures make good products although they also produce a few lemons (faulty products). Learn to deal with it asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC "it does not help your argument."
You do not even comprehend my argument.
"My point is that that AsusTek, Intel, Kingston, Western Digital and all other computer manufactures make good products although they also produce a few lemons (faulty products)."
And I never said that they didn't make good products.
This may come as a shocker to you, but I can appreciate other computer tech that isn't affiliated with Apple. Hell, I wanted to get an SGI box back in the day.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
Then stop stating Apple has better qualitry products you idiot. They use the same parts designed and engineered by the same people, end of story. There was no need for you to start picking fight with everyone.
Your only response should have been Asus makes good products for both Mac and PC.
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC "Then stop stating Apple has better qualitry products"
My opinion is that their products ARE of a better quality, dumbass. Ever heard of an opinion?
"They use the same parts designed and engineered by the same people"
First off, Apple, Dell, HP and so on have engineers that make design decisions that largely affect the outcome of the final product. Foxconn doesn't decide what parts or features go into the next iPhone. They just assemble it from the parts Apple ships to them.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355
The engineering and quality control for Foxconn and Asus is the same for the PC vendors as it is for the Apple products. That was the point of my whole video. End of story.
adobePC 1 year ago
@adobePC "The engineering and quality control for Foxconn and Asus is the same for the PC vendors as it is for the Apple products."
As with ANY business, Foxconn and Asuse offer an array of services to a client. If you want to have a better build quality, then you can pay them for it.
If things worked the way YOU claim then ALL devices assembled by Asustek and Foxconn would have the same fit and finish as Apple's products. All Laptops would be less than 1" thick and so on.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
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@adobePC "Your only response should have been Asus makes good products for both Mac and PC."
Firstly, don't tell me what to say.
Secondly, I never said anything good or bad about Asustek
sc0pl355 1 year ago
i prefer apple laptop to dell, i have a pc that i build by my own too(dual boot osx,windows7), pc is not better than mac and mac is not better than a pc, MAC is PC just made by apple.period.
mac pro aniway is a server machine not a pc, usually mount intel mobo to support their xeon cpu and ecc ram, it shouldnt be compared to a pc, but to a server from dell or similar, they mount Westmere cpu now that are superior to i7(google it),2 westmare=24 virtual core, is for business not for people
DarkS3phiroth17 1 year ago
@DarkS3phiroth17
For the purpose of video editing a Dell and HP system from Best Buy will work just fine as the Mac Pro if not better. Even if I did want a server systems I would opt to build my own rather than invest in a Mac Pro.
adobePC 1 year ago
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DarkS3phiroth17 1 year ago
Mac build quality seems to be better, but yes,... differences in parts are not much different.
blacksteel25 1 year ago
@blacksteel25 So they take a bit longer to make sure the parts are secured into the case better than most other OEMs. So they use certain materials for the cases. PC uses has a whole range of materials they can use, from steel, aluminum, acrylic, etc. Some custom case modders use wood.
kaosum2 1 year ago
@kaosum2 Hey kaosum2, as far as build quality of OEM vs OEM Apple currently seems to do a better job at it. It's not to say problems never exist. I have my own disagreements about Apple using Aluminum for a Laptop since it will not absorb dings and scratches all that well.
blacksteel25 1 year ago
The funny thing is the LG display.
Apple uses the LM270WQ1 display from LG in the 27" iMac according to ifixit.
According to the TFTcentral they use LM270WQ1-SDA2 in the 27" iMac.
They use the same display in the 27" Apple LED Cinema Display.
What other screens use the LM270WQ1?
Hazro HZ27Wa.
The Hazro HZ27Wb and Dell U2711 use the LM270WQ2 display from LG.
Same panel, just with CCFL instead of LED backlight.
sn0le 1 year ago
@sn0le Look at how much those displays cost dude.
the Dell U2711 costs $999 on Dell's site and I don't know how much the Hazro HZ27Wb costs, but I'm willing to bet it doesn't cost $200.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355:
And?
sn0le 1 year ago
@sn0le AND the point is that Apple is justified in charging the price that they charge for their display and their computers that use the display which is comparable.
Dell uses an IPS display, Dell sells it for $999
Apple uses the SAME DISPLAY and sells it for the SAME PRICE as the Dell display.
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355:
In case you didn't notice, we're not discussing price.
We're discussing what parts PC's and Mac's use and the quality myth.
sn0le 1 year ago
@sn0le "We're discussing what parts PC's and Mac's use and the quality myth."
Without a doubt the IPS displays you mentioned are of a higher quality than the TN panel displays that are dominant in the market. I don't see how saying that Apple and Dell use this display changes that.
Let's see. Apple's entire iMac lineup has those displays built in, STANDARD, how many Dell computers come with that display as a standard?
sc0pl355 1 year ago
@sc0pl355:
Seriously?
I showed how the 27" iMac, the very flagship of Apple iMac's use parts that are widely available for non-Apple manufacturers.
They use LG Display, Intel CPU, Intel chipset, AMD (ATI) GPU, Atheros WLAN, regular RAM, regular HDD, Hitachi/LG DVD-burner etc.
And then you rant on about the cost, and how other all-in-one computers don't use the same display?
That wasn't the point I was making.
IT IS ABOUT THE PARTS AND HOW THEY ARE NOT APPLE EXCLUSIVE!
*sigh*
sn0le 1 year ago
@sn0le "the very flagship of Apple iMac's use parts that are widely available for non-Apple manufacturers."
Widely available and widely used, implemented and purchased are two different things.
On the iMac, this display is STANDARD. on the flagship Dell or HP, it is NOT STANDARD.
"And then you rant on about the cost, and how other all-in-one computers don't use the same display?"
I didn't mention other All-In-Ones. But yeah, none of them use this display. Have you seen them?
sc0pl355 1 year ago